WEBVTT - Justin 'Scope' Horo | Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>That twenty thirteen GF you guys play against the Roosters

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<v Speaker 1>is because that Rooster side it may be one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best sides on paper in hindsight of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Sunny but Williams, James Maloney, Mitchell Pierce, two of

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<v Speaker 1>us are check is he on the wing there? Roger's

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<v Speaker 1>first year Minchella and he was fullback? Like is that

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<v Speaker 1>How much belief did you guys have going into that

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<v Speaker 1>game coming up against that side.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we had a whole lot of belief because the

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<v Speaker 2>boys had been there and done it just so recently

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<v Speaker 2>as well. So they won eight, they won eleven. They

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<v Speaker 2>had a bit of a down year because that was

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<v Speaker 2>the first year Dead's left twelve. Yeah, but those boys

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<v Speaker 2>were used to playing final So it was a number

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<v Speaker 2>of players feel this, I reckon when you get to

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<v Speaker 2>a big moment like that and being young, like I

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<v Speaker 2>just assumed we're always going to be there because that's

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<v Speaker 2>the way they acted, Like, that's the way the senior

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<v Speaker 2>boys were. So even though probably on paper to a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people, you know, Rousters were the better team.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like we had championship DNA in our team,

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<v Speaker 2>which was you know, probably try to even that out

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and like Maddie said, we were eight

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<v Speaker 2>and eight going into halftime and a couple of things

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<v Speaker 2>didn't go our way and they and they got us,

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<v Speaker 2>but we were very confident. We lost to him five

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<v Speaker 2>times that year too, because we played him in the trial.

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<v Speaker 2>You played him five times, We played him in the trials,

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<v Speaker 2>We played him two times throughout the year, we played

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<v Speaker 2>him in the first final, and then we played him

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<v Speaker 2>in the Grand Final and we lost every time. But

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon by a combined margin of about twenty points

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<v Speaker 2>like they got us. I think maybe the Grand Final

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<v Speaker 2>was the biggest score. Yeah wow, And that would ended

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<v Speaker 2>up blowing out in the end to a trial or two.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had really good contests against them. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>confident going in there. And then just because I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>around and playing with guys like Glenn, especially in the

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<v Speaker 2>Ford pack, Glenn Stewart, Brent Kyte, He's won a Clive

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<v Speaker 2>church on the leven. Yeah, yeah, Tucky.

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<v Speaker 1>Because chairs won the Clive Churchill in the losing side

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<v Speaker 1>that year he did. Yeah, yeah, I did remember those

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<v Speaker 1>big backlass yeah on chairs and say as much as

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<v Speaker 1>you want, I mean, it's you're not breaking any news here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's historically being noted the fact that there was a

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<v Speaker 3>split in the club chairs and they were off with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything was that was that difficulty in the most.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, look that I've always said this. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there'll be a time and Keop knows him, you know

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<v Speaker 2>personally as well. We were celebrating after his three hundredth

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<v Speaker 2>weren't we. We had a bit of a kick on.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a good time. He's really just just like

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<v Speaker 2>his footy. He took took me a while to warm

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<v Speaker 2>to him as well. Dai dai. Yeah. Yeah, and because

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<v Speaker 2>they were like the senior playing group were I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>like they were so respected around the league as well. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so I always felt like they had a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>an aura about him. You know. Some once I rocked

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<v Speaker 2>up and there were circumstances that you know, played played

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<v Speaker 2>out in which you know, you could pick one side

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<v Speaker 2>or the other during the time. But yeah, he did.

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<v Speaker 2>He struggled. He struggled a bit during that period and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, credit to him, like it's a completely different

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<v Speaker 2>situation now to where he is. I was like going

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<v Speaker 2>through what he's going through now. But yeah, there were tough.

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<v Speaker 3>Times and it had for you to remain in Switzerland.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yeah, there was because I got along really

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<v Speaker 2>well with Brett and in particular me, So when I

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<v Speaker 2>arrived to the club, Brett was the single one and

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<v Speaker 2>he's a Prince of Brookvale and as you know, Coops,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like he runs me. Yeah. So and because I'm single,

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<v Speaker 2>like I wrack up and he's come on, son, you're

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<v Speaker 2>with me. You know. We used to go down to

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<v Speaker 2>water Warfie.

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<v Speaker 1>And wearing what your water chairs is wedding, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wearing all that gitting and getting up to meet the

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<v Speaker 2>mean Snake. Used to take off to Melbourne heaps because

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<v Speaker 2>he liked going down to Melbourne and getting away because

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<v Speaker 2>he was a bit more of a bigger name. So

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<v Speaker 2>we used to go down to Melbourne heaps and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It was difficult the first year because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if I was just being naive. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm a bit not a people pleaser, but

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<v Speaker 2>I like everyone getting along, so I think maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>just pretend like it wasn't happening, Like I'd hear murmurs

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<v Speaker 2>and little different things about it. So I was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe I can just get everyone out of

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<v Speaker 2>beer and it'll be sweet. But there was obviously, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more more deeper issues because you.

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<v Speaker 1>Are a great made of cheass and so is another

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<v Speaker 1>couple of boas in that's called Jamie Bureau and Tommy

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<v Speaker 1>Simon's who are also like a couple of Chas's best mates.

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<v Speaker 1>How hard was it for Chess's best mates, who are

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<v Speaker 1>the young guys going up against a little bit It

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<v Speaker 1>would feel sometimes like you're up, You're on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side to snake Glenn and that obviously you were mates

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<v Speaker 1>with Glenn, but like I mean with Brett, But was

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy and JB Like, were they clearly on chess a

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<v Speaker 1>side now?

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<v Speaker 2>To be clear, to be clear with it all, like

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<v Speaker 2>there was nothing. It was weird energy, like it was

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<v Speaker 2>just no one said anything, but you could feel it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I was saying, like it was there was

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of naivity, like like I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd hang out with all different groups. I'd and just

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<v Speaker 2>hang out with the Shaw brothers and then d C.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'd hang out with Georgia Defour and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there were always little groups of pockets of four and

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<v Speaker 2>five people in every game, and I used to just

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<v Speaker 2>just to float around in all of them, so you

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<v Speaker 2>could sort of feel that there was some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>energy around there. And then as time's gone on and

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<v Speaker 2>mores come out, and people have done podcasts, some more

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<v Speaker 2>than you know, some of you talked about more than others,

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<v Speaker 2>so you start to piece everything together. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was pretending like it wasn't happening in thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>started to realize in fourteen, realizing I'm feeling like Switzerland

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<v Speaker 2>in fourteen fourteen, and then the big I think the

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<v Speaker 2>tipping point was when a couple of the older players

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<v Speaker 2>moved on, like when Glenn moved on, when Chucky moved

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<v Speaker 2>on to Para, and a few of the other older

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<v Speaker 2>guys retired. That was a really awkward, awkward situation for

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<v Speaker 2>everyone involved. And whether what side you see it, and

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<v Speaker 2>you hear different parts about both sides, you could see

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<v Speaker 2>where there's three sides to every story, yea one side

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere in between, there's going to be the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not digging for anything escape I'm just purely

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<v Speaker 3>curious because in a football in a football club, when

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<v Speaker 3>if there's any sort of tension or drama, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of it comes to the surface in team meetings where

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<v Speaker 3>you're sitting and you're doing a review as a team

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<v Speaker 3>and you're watching a game, particularly if yous have had

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<v Speaker 3>a bad loss, and oftentimes that that can bring things

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<v Speaker 3>to the surface.

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<v Speaker 2>It must have been some No, this is why it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't Maddie, and this is why it took a while

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<v Speaker 2>for it to pick up and maybe more after the fact.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so weird, and not in a bad way,

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<v Speaker 2>but because Chez and Foss didn't say anything in video

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds weird, right, like the two like our seven

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<v Speaker 2>and six, they were younger guys. There was definitely a

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<v Speaker 2>level of respect for the older players that was just

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<v Speaker 2>not talked about. It was just you lived like it

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<v Speaker 2>was an old school sort of feeling where the most

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<v Speaker 2>vocal in video was definitely Kitty used to talk a

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<v Speaker 2>whole week. Kitie Mate very vocal and very him. Our

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<v Speaker 2>front row was like Kitie, Jason King, you know, very articulate,

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<v Speaker 2>big front rowers who knew the game really well. So

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<v Speaker 2>they used to we just talk about plans outside of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what we're going to do. Snake would chirp

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<v Speaker 2>up every now and again and say, oh, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get this on, this is what we're going to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Kill it.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie Lyon was reluctant to really say anything. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it never mate. It never surfaced. Like I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 2>it might seem weird to say, like it just never

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<v Speaker 2>popped up or was never talked about. That could be,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, now that I'm saying it out loud and

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about it, that could have been the biggest problem, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>no one really addressed it. It was always just you

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<v Speaker 2>felt the energy and there was maybe whispers around all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, but no one to confront no one. No

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<v Speaker 2>one wanted to come out and just say all right,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what we you know, maybe over a few schooners,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said before, Mattie, where we probably should have

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<v Speaker 2>addressed it early on, and then who knows what happens

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<v Speaker 2>in that little run.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing. It just shows it. I don't think there's

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<v Speaker 3>any club in the league that in the past has

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<v Speaker 3>operated so well in amongst distractions and drama like Manly,

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<v Speaker 3>this one is going to be. This is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be really a big challenge going forward here with Dally

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<v Speaker 3>for the rest of the season, just with everything just

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<v Speaker 3>everything is like it's funny oftentimes this happened when there's

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<v Speaker 3>drama and you're going to play a game and all

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<v Speaker 3>the spotlights on the drama that first game you go

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<v Speaker 3>out there, of course you're aware of it. You just

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<v Speaker 3>get on with it and not from times you have

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<v Speaker 3>a good performance. But it could tell going into Melbourne

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<v Speaker 3>that that Melbourne game that was going to come to

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<v Speaker 3>the surface a little bit. I thought when they ran

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<v Speaker 3>on the field, I thought Daly looked really tired in

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<v Speaker 3>their game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I imagine the week before would have been

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<v Speaker 1>so easy to get up emotionally for it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could really like draw on that and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, right, it was it's us against you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's us against the club a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>it's us against the media. Let's go out there and

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<v Speaker 1>prove them all wrong. And you get up so high

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally for it, and then the next week it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you can't really use the same you can't draw on

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<v Speaker 1>that same emotion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, like potentially just going out there to silence a

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<v Speaker 2>few people up motivation for for not owning him, but

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<v Speaker 2>some of the other boys who maybe filling the effects

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<v Speaker 2>within the playing group as well. The difference is with

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<v Speaker 2>chairs now. And this is what I will say, Like

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<v Speaker 2>whether you whatever way you viewed or how you feel

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<v Speaker 2>about what he did, he's completely chalk. It's chalk and cheese.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>He's how I said, maybe we should have addressed it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know in like back in back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>He's well and truly done that, and he's learned from

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<v Speaker 2>he's learned from that from that moment, and he's come

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<v Speaker 2>out and like I said, he's so much more confident

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<v Speaker 2>in himself that he does. Like, yeah, he cares about

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<v Speaker 2>the club, and he cares about his teammates and all

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff, but he's not going to be as worried

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<v Speaker 2>about the reaction, you know what as back in the

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<v Speaker 2>early days.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you just said before about like that real old

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<v Speaker 1>school mentality of there's that real respect unsaid respect for

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<v Speaker 1>the leaders. Like in video sessions, they are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the only ones that really speak. Everyone else has a

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<v Speaker 1>downward like doesn't really speak about it. It's funny how

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of you just made me think. That is

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<v Speaker 1>very much the same at Manly, still very much the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I remember I first got there, no one would talk,

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<v Speaker 1>no one would talk. There probably be three or four people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Troy, which is they'd sort of speak.

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<v Speaker 1>No one else would.

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<v Speaker 2>Really talk like a Melbourne did everyone chip in it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I was going to. That's like I think

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon. They're like, there's probably a few clubs still

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<v Speaker 1>like a bit old school like that. They're very respect

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<v Speaker 1>driven for the old players. But Melbourne it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've got an idea, no matter who you are,

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<v Speaker 1>you could be a you could be a trainer. They

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<v Speaker 1>were trained and trial blokes in there for two weeks

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes and they would go, hey, Belly, I have an idea.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're fantastic and and you probably understand from your

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<v Speaker 1>era Dad, sometimes you go like shut them somebody. You've

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<v Speaker 1>told me stories where people who were have spoken up

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<v Speaker 1>and you guys, get a shut up idiot.

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<v Speaker 3>I would Andrew Joey Joey used to do it what

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<v Speaker 3>they got up and actually decided to walk towards the

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<v Speaker 3>TV and going Now, if you went there and Joey went,

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<v Speaker 3>sit the fuck down, your mate, you are playing fucking

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<v Speaker 3>terrible in no position to preach it anywhere. Sit the

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<v Speaker 3>fuck down.

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<v Speaker 2>Joey. Joey was there during that period as well. He

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<v Speaker 2>was our assistant coach, Joey, he's our assistant coach. I

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<v Speaker 2>won't throw a guy under the bus, but this is

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<v Speaker 2>sort of summed it up, and this is set that

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<v Speaker 2>sets the tone for the year as well. A player

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<v Speaker 2>said something during a video session who's new to the

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<v Speaker 2>club the same year I got there. And then all

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<v Speaker 2>Brett Stewart did was just a mannerism, like he just

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<v Speaker 2>moved his body because he used to just sit against

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<v Speaker 2>the auditorium just like not listening all the time. And

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<v Speaker 2>he so he's right at the front, so he's in

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<v Speaker 2>vision so everyone can see Snaky. And then a player

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<v Speaker 2>at the back started talking about the game plan or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it may be. This is like three or four

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<v Speaker 2>games in Snake just starts looking at the back of

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<v Speaker 2>the video like looking up at him speaking, and he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't tell him to shut up or anything, because he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't need to. Everyone just looked and then everyone's just

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like put their head down and started like

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<v Speaker 2>giggling to himself. And it was enough that no one

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<v Speaker 2>ever did it again. It was I can't explain it.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you trying to The example lives up to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's just like moving around in any because Glenn

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<v Speaker 2>shut used to sit on the other side, so he's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to look and then and then I'm sitting right

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<v Speaker 2>behind him because I'm directly behind him, so I've just gone, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I put my head down, not at the guy for talking, up,

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<v Speaker 2>just to the reaction and how it's all playing out,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were all like, it's that secondhand embarrassment. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it just like it's the.

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<v Speaker 1>Worst feeling on it, Like just even to even to

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<v Speaker 1>talk in a public setting is hard enough, and then

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<v Speaker 1>to be publicly shamed mid sentence as somebody's But the

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<v Speaker 1>best thing about I think the best clubs do it now,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've heard stories of the boys. It's not even

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<v Speaker 1>just Yellowy and Cleary at Penrith that are chimeing out.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got young bokes twenty year old who have played

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<v Speaker 1>two games who chime up with ideas for how they

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<v Speaker 1>can be better. And I think that's it's probably the

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<v Speaker 1>best way to run a club, depending on the culture

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<v Speaker 1>of the club. But it's it's funny how so many

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<v Speaker 1>clubs are still stuck in that old school sort of

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<v Speaker 1>mentality to a.

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<v Speaker 2>Degree, Like you know, there's there's pros and cons to

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<v Speaker 2>it as well. Like earn your stripes before you say

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<v Speaker 2>my word. Yeah, so you know it was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm taking a mental note going and saying ship for

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<v Speaker 2>three years on the beer. But there's also like I

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<v Speaker 2>had some thoughts over the years that I never I

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<v Speaker 2>never ever, So I'd go to Kier and would go

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<v Speaker 2>out and train, and because Kieren and Daily wouldn't say anything,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, I was, what do you reckon of this?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's only that'll work? Can you tell Snake

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<v Speaker 2>and see if we can you know, can we can

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<v Speaker 2>you go ask Snake if we can have a crack

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<v Speaker 2>at that or or this is this is why I

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<v Speaker 2>did that.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's that's how things work. There's pockets, combinations, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>exist right across the forming conversations. Well, I was so

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<v Speaker 3>lucky in the nineties and he passed on regards again,

0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.240
<v Speaker 3>he's just been diagnosed with cancer. As Malcolm, really Malcolm

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<v Speaker 3>came to us. It was literally socialism. So it was

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<v Speaker 3>like anywhere everyone has got basically the same rights, chiefs

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<v Speaker 3>the captain, but if any it's got an idea, chirp

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<v Speaker 3>up and do it now. When he left, another coaches

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<v Speaker 3>come in, those younger players go yeah, I got an

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<v Speaker 3>idea the coach you go sorry in that, but like

0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.200
<v Speaker 3>malcolmarin a really tough regime as far as physically, but

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<v Speaker 3>there are no mind games, and that just formed a family,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. I think when I look at the modern

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<v Speaker 3>games sometimes there is so much analysis there. I hear

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<v Speaker 3>there are so many meetings and video sessions that regardless

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<v Speaker 3>if it's a business or professional sport, you've still got

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<v Speaker 3>to love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't win to comp just purely on discipline. You

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<v Speaker 3>have to you have to love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Before we move off your football,

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<v Speaker 1>can you please tell my favorite story you've ever told me?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell the Richie Fayoso story where the morgue.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the morgue? Yeah yeah, I like it already. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm forgetting his name. So yeah, they they just I

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<v Speaker 2>need to get the story correct because it's been since

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<v Speaker 2>I told this one.

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<v Speaker 1>But I reckon it's five years I still read tell it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, Mattie, you've been over the Super League, you

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<v Speaker 2>know the relegation system. So Richie Farsa was part of

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<v Speaker 2>a team that had just been relegated, and obviously you

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<v Speaker 2>know everyone's you know down in the dumps, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think he might have been playing for Castwood Tigers if

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<v Speaker 2>they missed a season like that could be the team. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>they used to have this crew over there. I know

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<v Speaker 2>Richie Farsa was obviously one of them. Willie Manhu remember him,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was one more. I think Graveyanni potentially guy

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<v Speaker 2>played a little bit first grade. They used to call

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<v Speaker 2>them the Mongrels. That was their nickname, right, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was just around the area anyway, So those boys used

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<v Speaker 2>to run a mark all the time. Anyway, they're getting

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<v Speaker 2>relegated or whatever. But they're sitting together on made Monday

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<v Speaker 2>and fast must just go off just with a mate

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere and go get it, maybe go get some more

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<v Speaker 2>schooners or whatever it may be. By this stage, the

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<v Speaker 2>coach rolls in to Mad Monday. Anyway, he walks in

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone's the music's blair and everyone's having a good

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<v Speaker 2>time and laughing that. He goes turn off the music

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<v Speaker 2>and he just gives everyone a spray. Mind you, Richie's away, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so you haven't heard. He hasn't heard any of this.

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<v Speaker 2>So he comes back in the team's got to spray.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's sitting around all quiet and then when when Richie

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<v Speaker 2>rolls back in, he sort of looks around and everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>all quine and he goes, what is this a morgue?

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<v Speaker 2>Someone hit the music now? And then apparently I think

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<v Speaker 2>Madison is his name, gets up. He goes, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>fucking problem with this club. You fucking munkle start spraying

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<v Speaker 2>him again, But like, Fuss has missed your initial bit

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<v Speaker 2>where he's sprayed him. So it's one of the great stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Richie probably tells it a whole heap better, but he

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<v Speaker 2>was just he goes, what is any he could do?

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<v Speaker 2>That click thing? You know that someone hit the music

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<v Speaker 2>and then everyone so like there's people laughing and then

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<v Speaker 2>the coach gets up and he's screaming. But yeah, big,

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<v Speaker 2>big uncle Fuss. He was one of my favorite teammates ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, that is so he's got a.

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<v Speaker 2>Really good Melbourne story as well. Have you heard that one?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the belly ach one Bally?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Frank Benissi was spraying him, but he's got

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<v Speaker 2>one at every club.

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<v Speaker 1>He was, Yeah, I'll try, Yeah, I remember someone really

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<v Speaker 1>told it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was do you know what the short version is? Frank?

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't supposed to drink. Frank was spraying him in

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<v Speaker 2>a team meeting in front overyone. Fuss was still half cut,

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<v Speaker 2>so he thought he'd answer back like kit the music

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. And then after he was going for

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<v Speaker 2>about ten seconds, and then Bali was sitting in the

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<v Speaker 2>mere and goes, Fuss, shut the fuck up and sit.

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<v Speaker 1>Down, and then he, yeah, I'm pretty sure it was

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<v Speaker 1>something like the couple spray for all of them being

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<v Speaker 1>on the piece, and Frankie was just going just a

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<v Speaker 1>standard sort of spray from the GM gun, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you bloody idiots, you shouldn't be going out and

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<v Speaker 1>drinking when you like. And then he got it and

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<v Speaker 1>he goes he goes, are you calling an idiot, Frank

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<v Speaker 1>And then apparently it was just like dead air Bell

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<v Speaker 1>just go still sitting still, sitting in his ritchie, shut.

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<v Speaker 2>Up and said, that's right. We called him a name.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, but it wasn't alluding to a couple of

0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.280
<v Speaker 2>you idiots. Whatever he goes, you call an idiot trying

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<v Speaker 2>to step him out, and Belly told him to sit down.

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<v Speaker 4>A couple of confidence schooners retirement tough at first, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it was, it was okay for me, mate, I was

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<v Speaker 4>pretty lucky, sort of come back from overseas.

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<v Speaker 2>Love my time overseas spending. I played two years for

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<v Speaker 2>Catalans and then a year and a half a Wakik.

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<v Speaker 3>Quickly on that was living and perpgnon love.

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<v Speaker 2>It, loved it. Yeah, it took a while, Like we

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<v Speaker 2>had a really loose crew there the first year. Who

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<v Speaker 2>was Todd Carney, good Start, Dave.

0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:51.440
<v Speaker 3>Taylor, William Mason, this could be, this could be all start,

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<v Speaker 3>this is.

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<v Speaker 2>This was an all star team. Gifty Glenn Stewart was

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<v Speaker 2>over there as well. I loved a schooner. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the wild card and a guy that might not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people know is Paul Yton the Sharks. Yep

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<v Speaker 2>mate little Cormel he was. He was loose. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we had a we had a really bad gang. We

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<v Speaker 2>were coming first equal going into the magic Ground over there,

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<v Speaker 2>which is about halfway through the season, Maddie, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we nearly didn't make the eight because summer hit and

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<v Speaker 2>all the beach bars open, and then that that accumulation

0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.200
<v Speaker 2>of that crew just went just went wild, and they

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<v Speaker 2>apparently Mitchie Pierce just spent some time over there. He

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<v Speaker 2>come back and said they still talk about our crew.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's an example the use they used the sixteen year,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there's another year when Chris Walker was there,

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<v Speaker 2>Texas was there, and they talk about those two crews

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<v Speaker 2>and if you know, none of that she shit happens

0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:47.639
<v Speaker 2>anymore and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>How did how did the French react? When you're walking

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<v Speaker 3>down to the beach and big Dave Taylor's down with

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<v Speaker 3>his shirt off, just walking around by the coal train.

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<v Speaker 3>They must have been going, who the fuck? What is

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<v Speaker 3>that the side?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the big behemoth he was, and he'd really blown

0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.720
<v Speaker 2>out over there too, so he was about one hundred

0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.960
<v Speaker 2>and thirty of the best. Yeah, he's right around on

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<v Speaker 2>that you know those little mini skateboards yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny skateboard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was about that big. So he used to

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<v Speaker 2>just be cruising up up cana Plage. They caught it,

0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.679
<v Speaker 2>which is can a beach, no shirt on and just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sometimes have a beer in his hand.

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<v Speaker 1>All those poor wheels they would have been hanging on

0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:24.919
<v Speaker 1>for dear life.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, big big koalie. Yeah, it was the black.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember once shaking his hand and his hand was

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<v Speaker 3>like felt like about six inches thick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because we used to have pints over there, everyone

0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.400
<v Speaker 2>drinks points. No one drinks schooners, and then they do

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<v Speaker 2>have schooners and middies if you want to drink them,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, everyone has a point and the yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the pint would look like a schooner or a midty

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<v Speaker 2>in his hand when he drank it, like looked like

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<v Speaker 2>he was completely covering all the rest of us, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know I remember.

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<v Speaker 1>So after then, so I I want to play with

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<v Speaker 1>the Sunny Coast Falcons as Melbourne's feeder club in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen and I was eighteen years old. We had a

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<v Speaker 1>good young side. Harry Grant was in it, Jeromes Hughes

0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.239
<v Speaker 1>was in it, Paps was in it. And we come

0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:12.040
<v Speaker 1>up against the Capras rock Hampton. So after then Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor came back and started playing for the rock Hampton

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<v Speaker 1>for the c Q Capras. So we come up against him.

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<v Speaker 1>And at this plaint, if you thought he blew out

0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.879
<v Speaker 1>in Purpagnon, let me tell you something, he must have

0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:24.960
<v Speaker 1>swallowed himself again over there, because when he was playing

0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.520
<v Speaker 1>for rock Hampton he would have been one hundred and fifty.

0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even recognize him and he was the back

0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:30.760
<v Speaker 1>roller opposite me.

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<v Speaker 3>And it must have been terrifying, you must I.

0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Was shooting myself. The only thing I had on him

0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:39.800
<v Speaker 1>was because at that stage he must have backed himself

0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:41.200
<v Speaker 1>with a little bit of a half bat, so he

0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.240
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't really run at you. He'd like get it and

0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:44.919
<v Speaker 1>then try to chip and chase some shit over you.

0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:46.760
<v Speaker 1>But he didn't have the speed like he once had,

0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:48.679
<v Speaker 1>so we're just bouncing like peraps would pick it up.

0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Is the second most just purely talented player ever played with,

0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.560
<v Speaker 2>behind Hainsey, who could just do crazy staff but skill

0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:56.800
<v Speaker 2>level chip and chases like he was doing that in

0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:00.320
<v Speaker 2>the Super League for a period of that year. Quick

0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:04.000
<v Speaker 2>off the mark strong as an ox just ticked all

0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.760
<v Speaker 2>the boxes. Just the conditioning and keeping the weight off

0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:07.800
<v Speaker 2>was his biggest drama.

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<v Speaker 3>Hardest thing. Wow, So like coming back, what's the first

0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.400
<v Speaker 3>job in the meet? Was that your goal?

0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:16.159
<v Speaker 2>No, not at all. No. I got pretty lucky with it.

0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:20.919
<v Speaker 2>So talking about normally before him, James Cigar and Isaac

0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:24.280
<v Speaker 2>John had a clothing brand called y ktr YEP. It

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<v Speaker 2>done really well for maybe the two or three years

0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.320
<v Speaker 2>that I was overseas, but we were we become really

0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.959
<v Speaker 2>close to my last year at Many just single boys,

0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:37.320
<v Speaker 2>end of the season, footy trips, BALI, all that sort

0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.879
<v Speaker 2>of stuff. So during that period I was away, I

0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:42.919
<v Speaker 2>sort of just come back and started flying with those boys.

0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Once I got back, did some stuff with them. Didn't

0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:49.520
<v Speaker 2>anticipate it was Isaac was the one who was pretty

0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:52.280
<v Speaker 2>much running everything. And he goes, mate, like, I'm you

0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:54.240
<v Speaker 2>got this thing going on. I don't know what it is.

0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.600
<v Speaker 2>We're going to do some sports stuff, but at the

0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:58.920
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, it's all about the merch people.

0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.119
<v Speaker 2>Remember this, Like one point, it's huge. It was huge,

0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:03.440
<v Speaker 2>like around them everywhere.

0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:04.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, Isaac said, just come and give the

0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.960
<v Speaker 2>podcast stuff a go. But like a point of difference

0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:13.520
<v Speaker 2>was because I was a mad US sports fan. I

0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:17.120
<v Speaker 2>would just only interview players, nothing about footy, very little

0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:20.679
<v Speaker 2>about footy, and all about you know, who their favorite

0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.760
<v Speaker 2>NBA team is, English Premier League if need be, Like

0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I could go there because I just loved all sports.

0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.479
<v Speaker 2>Then it slowly just organically grew got bigger and bigger,

0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.400
<v Speaker 2>and then you know, the platform become bigger. I ended

0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.639
<v Speaker 2>up making a shift about three years ago. I was

0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 2>just doing a potty with Mace because because me and

0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Mace went back to the Catalan and manly days. We

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.199
<v Speaker 2>started doing show together sort of float into levels and

0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:50.360
<v Speaker 2>then it's it's weird, like there's no like real moment

0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:51.679
<v Speaker 2>where I was like, oh, this is what I'm going

0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:52.800
<v Speaker 2>to do now and I'm going to lock in and

0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.320
<v Speaker 2>doing it. But just over time started getting the reps.

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Scope taking that step. Because one of the most difficult

0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:00.879
<v Speaker 3>things when you retire is when you play within a

0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:04.520
<v Speaker 3>system of play or a team. Everyone has code words,

0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:06.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, am B, defender and get to this, and

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:08.840
<v Speaker 3>one of the I think sometimes the mistake or the

0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:11.240
<v Speaker 3>most difficult thing when you're retire is going away and

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:15.119
<v Speaker 3>finding a vocabulary that allows you to explain but not

0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.120
<v Speaker 3>using the terms that you're used to. Is actually going

0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:20.679
<v Speaker 3>away and fighting your vocabulary. You're very good at that,

0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:22.640
<v Speaker 3>is it had something you had to work on.

0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I've got better over the years. But yeah,

0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:30.119
<v Speaker 2>because and even sort of going back to the stuff

0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.320
<v Speaker 2>about the video early on, like I've always been very observant.

0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I've always been a punter and like as the boys know,

0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I love a punt, a bit of a gamble. I

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.120
<v Speaker 2>used to play heaps of cards, so I was really

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:44.920
<v Speaker 2>big on mannerisms. But then because one of the best

0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:47.439
<v Speaker 2>traits I've got from that is I just love soaking

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:50.480
<v Speaker 2>stuff in, like watching people. So I watched heaps of

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:53.040
<v Speaker 2>content and then started to realize the space was going

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:55.359
<v Speaker 2>where it was and then sort of just try to

0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:57.439
<v Speaker 2>pivot and try to find my own way in. But

0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.720
<v Speaker 2>even with the sen stuff now, which is asolutely love

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:03.119
<v Speaker 2>you get to work with, you know, every now and

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:05.720
<v Speaker 2>again we chat with you, Maddie, but sugar is completely

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:07.680
<v Speaker 2>different to obviously Bear's head when I have to fill

0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 2>in on the run home, and then I've got Jimmy

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Smith on Sundays. So I've just been trying to take

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 2>little pieces from all of them as much as I

0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:20.080
<v Speaker 2>can and try to learn, because you know, when you

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:22.560
<v Speaker 2>get the opportunity to be around guys with heaps of experience.

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.720
<v Speaker 2>The last couple of years, I've been chalk and cheese.

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:27.440
<v Speaker 2>If you listen to some of my potties early on,

0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:31.520
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I really struggled as to be expected,

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:33.119
<v Speaker 2>but I feel like I've got a lot better.

0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Than you ever go back and listen to some of

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:36.359
<v Speaker 1>the earlier just to sit you're sitting in the car

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:38.000
<v Speaker 1>and go wonder how I sounded back then.

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I did a couple of years ago. I sort of

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm more confident in myself now where I

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:45.200
<v Speaker 2>don't really have to go back and listen to them.

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:48.160
<v Speaker 2>There are still, you know, like lessons that you can

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:50.399
<v Speaker 2>get from that store of stuff, but now it's more

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm sort of learning enough other people because I

0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:54.960
<v Speaker 2>think I've got past the point where I feel comfortable

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 2>enough in myself and my own skin because I had

0:25:57.160 --> 0:26:00.280
<v Speaker 2>mad imposter syndrome doing it to begin with, Like when

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 2>I started the potty and youve got to remember, this

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 2>is like twenty nineteen eighteen. Sorry, end of twenty nineteen,

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 2>no one was doing any of this stuff in our

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.639
<v Speaker 2>area as strong as it is now. Now it's really competitive,

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 2>but I was like, no one wants to listen to me,

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, Yeah, played like a journeyman rugby league player.

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 2>So then once I got confident in that stage and

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:25.080
<v Speaker 2>then started to get more opportunities, and I started to

0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:28.879
<v Speaker 2>really just embrace it and sort of know where my

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:32.159
<v Speaker 2>role was and what I do well, and yeah, just

0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 2>loving it now, like you're doing a little bit of everything,

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 2>and the level stuff works really well with Mace again,

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 2>another personality to work with. And then at the end

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:42.679
<v Speaker 2>of the week, I do sen So yeah, I really

0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:43.119
<v Speaker 2>enjoying it.

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:45.359
<v Speaker 1>What Willie Mason I wanted because I want to not

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.879
<v Speaker 1>ask out the great need attain one of the greats.

0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 1>It's someone that doesn't strike me as being a lot

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:55.399
<v Speaker 1>of help with preparing for a rundown. Would that be

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:56.920
<v Speaker 1>fair to say, would you be doing a lot of

0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:57.639
<v Speaker 1>the heavy lifting?

0:26:57.720 --> 0:26:58.640
<v Speaker 2>That's fair, that's fair.

0:26:58.680 --> 0:26:58.879
<v Speaker 3>I do.

0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>I do a fair bit of the I guess I

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:04.480
<v Speaker 2>was saying to Jack before. There's almost like a little

0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 2>bit of producing going into it. I come up with

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 2>the plans. I make sure I watch everything. I watch

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 2>every game, I watch every important show, all the best analysts,

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 2>and you try to get as many of the views

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:18.160
<v Speaker 2>as I can before to formulate a show. And then

0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Mace can just take that wherever he wants.

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, he doesn't.

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:27.159
<v Speaker 2>He honestly just says. And he and even though like

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much he watches every weekend and

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 2>he probably doesn't watch any more of the shows, but

0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:36.920
<v Speaker 2>he watches. He watches more footy than probably people give

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 2>him credit for him. But he can come in after

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I've seen seven different views, and I feel like I've

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 2>formulated exactly where I wanted to go on a Monday morning.

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.400
<v Speaker 2>And then he just says something and it takes its

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 2>own different, different turn and it goes viral and people

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:51.919
<v Speaker 2>love it.

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.200
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's a perfect combination. You're hearing for him. He's gay.

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sliding doors moment, mate, it's a full circle come

0:27:58.880 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 1>back around.

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:00.919
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to.

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:05.119
<v Speaker 3>Sliding doors circle, mate, two completely different things. One is

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 3>an oblong, the other one is circle.

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 1>We're bringing it back to the sliding doors. Another sliding

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>doors moment's just come to my head. Willie Mason. He

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 1>went after a certain Newcastle player one time by the

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>name of Tyson gamble Jack. Were you at the club

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:19.880
<v Speaker 1>at the.

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 5>State some of my final days at the club?

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:23.639
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, what do you want to know?

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I want to know. I want to get Scot's perspective first,

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:28.359
<v Speaker 1>because when you're doing a podcast, you've got a lot

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:30.959
<v Speaker 1>of good relationships with players. And then Mace comes out

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 1>calling the night, calling the Knight's spine the worst in

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 1>the comp outside of klem Ponger, and that Tyson Gambill

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>was a reserve grade, to which he bit straight back

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 1>and come back at yous. How do you sit in

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:48.680
<v Speaker 1>that space because you like to have a healthy relationship

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>with a lot of the boys, right.

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Look, I understand that's what makes us unique compared to

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 2>anyone else. So look, even though I disagree with the

0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 2>take and I said it, I said it to him.

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 2>I was like, mate, come on, Like we started talking

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 2>about the spines and I was trying to, you know,

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 2>think about it, but it was so it was out

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 2>of nowhere, so like I can't sit there and plan

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:11.080
<v Speaker 2>and then start trying to backtrack and try to find

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 2>worse spines in the competition. Anyway, and then and then

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Tyson come back and it was so funny, and you know,

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, awesome, right here we go. We've got

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of something here that we can use

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 2>for for the next episode. And then he went row.

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 2>So people don't realize, like it wasn't the the podcast stuff.

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 2>He started tweeting tweeting Tyson, so you remember he said

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 2>what he said on the potty and then Tyson, I

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 2>believe what I was told. Tyson said it tongue in

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 2>cheek to a journal, but it's just on the fine print.

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 2>So of course, like he was just going, yeah, Mace

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 2>can fuck yeah, he can fuck off or whatever like that.

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 2>But it was apparently just you know, very casual or

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 2>whatever it may be. It was exclamation say anyway, So

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 2>that's what make Seeson ego read there. The next week,

0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 2>they're playing the Warriors over there, Tyson has a rough

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 2>game and May starts tweeting he's the worst fucking six

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 2>more time or whatever it was. So it wasn't actually

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>the podcast stuff. So and then all the backlash come

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 2>off the back of it. We had people like because

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 2>I control the socials for us, me and Luky do

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 2>we can see we get all the d ms and

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 2>that they come back from it. And there was so

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 2>much coming back during that period, and then it got

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 2>to the point where I was like, all right, now

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 2>we need it, Like this was gonna be fun this week.

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 2>But because of that tweet and because he's gone at

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 2>him and just completely hammered him, I was like, all right,

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 2>we've got to pull back. And then we lucky, you know,

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 2>we're not live with the podcast like you got some

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 2>but because there were some times where he just went on,

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 2>you could see him he's just like ready to talk

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>about the Knights, and then we talked about the Knights

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 2>and he'd just hammer him for a two or three minutes.

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:52.719
<v Speaker 2>We'd have to take it out, like I haven't told

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 2>him a couple of times, so mate, we can't. That's

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 2>that's that hard. Yeah. I remember.

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 5>I remember SKA bike because I was sort of understood

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 5>this space not always tip blokes up with little things

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 5>like around, you know, those sorts of headlines and how

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 5>it is perceived on text versus someone actually saying it.

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 5>I remember saying to a few of the boys, you

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 5>because remember, blokes were sharing it. I remember because there

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 5>was a few headlines on whatever platforms and blokes were

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 5>re sharing it saying like, you know, bullshit and whatever

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 5>on their social media, Like I'm sure you guys got

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 5>like would have seen a spike numbers, yeah, and social

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 5>media through that period. It was a bit like a

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 5>Tyson's a champion fella. Now he cops a lot of

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, for the way he plays. When he came

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 5>down for Brisbane. Honestly, I didn't even think he had

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 5>a bad bone in his body until he played around

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 5>to like art when the ball went up to David

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 5>Nofluma and I'd heard words and I heard hadn't heard

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 5>in the football team for years, but honestly, is that

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 5>good a fella. But the thing was it was a

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 5>bit of a you could tell after a period that

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 5>Willy was playing the game.

0:31:58.080 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 2>This is where I disagree and a lot of things

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 2>you're saying there. Jack Kyler messaged me by the way

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 2>he messaged me and goes, mate, Tyson's a legend, like

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, sort of not not levels me directly because

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 2>we've done a few things together. And I was like, yeah,

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 2>it's just sort of saying to Mace, I said, to

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 2>mace's getting a bit carried away. I think the thing

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 2>that sort of got Mace more frustrated is because of

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 2>the backlash off the back of it, because he was

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 2>getting hambled like a lot of Newie fans and he

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 2>loves Newcastle. Mace loves Newcastle. So it divided a bit

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 2>of a fan base as well because a lot of

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 2>people sort of stuck up for Tyson. A lot of

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 2>people were probably saying, you know, Tyson's a a good

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 2>like a solid fire ay, but he's not the best.

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 2>So all the back and forth, I think that's where

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Mace sort of got caught up in a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and it dragged on a little bit longer than it

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 2>had to. But he's he's complimentary now every now and again,

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Like it took a while to get past it, but yeah, like.

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 3>I understand, will he taste things to the the MTh

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:56.880
<v Speaker 3>he takes things to the extreme. But you know, he

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 3>has played proustraight, He's played the State of Origin, he's

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 3>one Grand Finals, he's won of a Clove Churchill Medal.

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 3>Now I look at Willie and you think, oh jeez,

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 3>that's it's quite harsh. But I see what's far worse.

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 3>People who first come into the media, whether it be

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 3>their own podcasts or websites, and absolutely hammer players purely

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 3>to try to get clicks, to try to get going.

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Like there used to be a time when you actually

0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 3>had to do your dues and go away to actually

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 3>form o pinion land to these days people start, we'll

0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 3>just walk into the media and they're made us operandi

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 3>to actually becoming someone in the media. It's just hammer

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:37.479
<v Speaker 3>as many players as they can and one of them

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 3>will stick. Yeah, one will get traction.

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 2>As you know, Mady like and being with mainstream media

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 2>at times over the years, like that's sort of how

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 2>that's what separated us in podcasts when I first started

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 2>from mainstream media, it was more about good, feel good

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 2>stories and educating people and telling a different side of

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>story that probably the mainstream wouldn't have shown back in

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the day. And you used to be you know, some

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 2>of the clickbait stuff. And then it's sort of like

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 2>felt like, you know, there are people where it's gone

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 2>full circle, it's gone back. In order to make yourself

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 2>known in a podcast, you know this space, then you

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 2>then you go hard and try to look for that.

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I reckon it was more just with Mace,

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 2>wasn't necessarily about continuing continuing it with Tyson, felt like

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 2>he was going back and forth a little bit with

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:24.760
<v Speaker 2>the fan bases.

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he was angry. Yeah, well I don't like like

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 1>you do it quite well, Matthew. Where you've got to

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>show where you sometimes have to be critical of players,

0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:36.880
<v Speaker 1>sometimes have to be critical of players. You might know

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:39.359
<v Speaker 1>teammates of Jack and I, and you do it very

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:42.840
<v Speaker 1>well where you tell your honest opinion, but you don't

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.800
<v Speaker 1>need to. There's a lot of people on TV coverage

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 1>who will sometimes just strip a player down on the

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 1>back of on the back of articles and things or

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 1>lack of form, but without providing a solution, you do

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 1>it quite well.

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Where you go.

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 1>This player isn't playing well. I think he needs to

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>get back to this to get back to the level

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 1>we know we can play out. And I think there's

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 1>what players I know that what the current players don't

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 1>like is they don't like like people just sort of

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 1>hitting them straight between the eyes with no with no

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 1>idea of how they could get better.

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I think we all know as players. I mean I

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 1>could speak personally got Hammard quite a bit when I

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 1>was playing, and you know, we all know what it's

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.359
<v Speaker 1>like when a journal would spray on TV and at

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the time you're going this journey.

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 2>As well, like constructive criticism, Yeah, you take that. I

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I used to love that from coaches. Yep, so you

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 2>know how to learn, you know what to work on.

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 2>So coaches just drop me and don't say anything and

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:40.239
<v Speaker 2>brush you are, like, what are you going to learn

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 2>from that?

0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Well, I've had I've written articles sometimes and had angry

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 3>calls from coaches, and I say to them straight up,

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 3>I said, look, at the end of the day, I said,

0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 3>go back and read it. You've read it. You've read

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 3>parts of it and taken offense. I've just written six

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.759
<v Speaker 3>hundred words of great advice for you.

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, go and read it.

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 3>Like people will get there and they're so sensitive because

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:05.319
<v Speaker 3>you say, look, he's not playing well. You know this

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 3>side are struggling in this area. If they get back

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 3>to that, and they'd take offense, and you go, if

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 3>you're going to take offense of that, if you are

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:14.959
<v Speaker 3>so thin skinned you're taking offense of that, I'm sorry,

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:15.799
<v Speaker 3>you're in the wrong game.

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I will say there actually are a few assistant

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 1>coaches out there who listen to some of your some

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:23.840
<v Speaker 1>of the podcasts to get like information.

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:25.720
<v Speaker 2>For sure, there would yeah.

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:28.279
<v Speaker 3>Throwing off now I'm throwing throw off.

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, word, take some stuff off you.

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's you know, like it's it's so easy to

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:34.479
<v Speaker 3>just come out and say, oh, that's players ship.

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. People say, let's just we're not having and we're

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 1>not having to go Macy.

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 3>By the way, but Mace will come out and his

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:47.319
<v Speaker 3>initial he'll do an initial hit. But then he'll say

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:49.759
<v Speaker 3>why he believes that it's so easy if someone just

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:51.759
<v Speaker 3>got ah, mate, he can't play stuff like that. Well,

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:54.319
<v Speaker 3>if you if that's as big a critique as you

0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 3>can give someone. Well you got an IQ problem.

0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Well that's a beauty with Mays too, right, Like, even

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.440
<v Speaker 2>though I'm super planned with what you know, how I

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 2>think it's going to go and making sure we've got

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:06.919
<v Speaker 2>a show that could last a certain amount of time,

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 2>he is watching all the games, so like, even though

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 2>he might not be his planned or know where it's going,

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 2>he's got an opinion on everything. He coaches and it's

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.560
<v Speaker 2>a strong opinion. Yeah, And he coaches younger and mentors

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:19.880
<v Speaker 2>younger kids, and and he's been in He's got a

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 2>wealth of knowledge. Like he talks a lot about He's

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 2>got really good relationships with Wayne and Gus over the years.

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 2>Gus is a a bit of a mental for him.

0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 2>So when you're constantly around those guys, Yeah, some of

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 2>the stuff he might say might blow people away, but

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 2>it's not like it's like I said, even though it's

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 2>he's not planning the show, there is thought process behind

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 2>everything what he says.

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, what's his mum? Is his mum going okay.

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:49.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah I believe so. She had a bit of a

0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 2>scare about a year ago now, But yes, he goes

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:55.840
<v Speaker 2>up and I think his brother's living up up the

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Central coast.

0:37:56.480 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 3>And les Now the younger brother was good football with

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:01.360
<v Speaker 3>the younger fellow.

0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Coming through the Knights, was he So Mace's got I

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 2>should probably know this a bit a bit better. But

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 2>he's got about eight brothers and sisters maybe yeah, yeah,

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 2>something like that.

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:12.920
<v Speaker 3>But he had a younger brother coming through it the

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 3>Knights in the under twenties. It was good. It was

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 3>good football, really really good.

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Heath Mathan's noted to Mike tythan shit, I don't know.

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 1>I got my tongue and stuck between my teeth your

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 1>tongue final, you know what? Before we get the loan

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 1>story of the last little Mace thing, I remember the

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:32.200
<v Speaker 1>first time I ever knew what like, you know, the

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 1>boys in the off season, they'll get an airbnb together

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 1>and they'll lock in for a few days and I'll

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 1>go down to the beach and have a drink. The

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 1>first time I ever sort of was shown. That was

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:46.719
<v Speaker 1>actually Willie Mason and a few of his ex teammates.

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 1>They rented a joint just around the corner from us here. Texted,

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 1>remember that, texted Dad, say mate, come over, bring the boys.

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:55.759
<v Speaker 1>We got in there. Let me tell you something. They

0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>were well hydrated. It was quite it was it was

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 1>about mid morning and questions one word for it. Yeah, yeah,

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.879
<v Speaker 1>a few electro lights and yeah, I remember just going

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:06.799
<v Speaker 1>and going. Just why did you bring us to their day?

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize till I actually walked in and realized

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 3>I'd walk you into a mad Monday.

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:14.319
<v Speaker 1>Basically, yeah, yeah, it was a loose crew.

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 3>So loans explain what it is. I'm not good to explain.

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:18.919
<v Speaker 1>This is the last thing we usually do. You're ready

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:21.240
<v Speaker 1>for this. So you listened to the party before.

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a clips guy. I listened to all the clips.

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.319
<v Speaker 1>So okay, yes, so that doesn't come it doesn't come

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 1>down as a number. That's fine. It doesn't come out

0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:31.160
<v Speaker 1>as a down for two seconds? Yes, sweet, perfect. So

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:34.359
<v Speaker 1>this segment, Loan Survivor, He's going to give you a

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 1>category and then go It's like, would you rather give

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 1>you two players or two something? And you pick and

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 1>you continue to go until there's one left to King

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 1>of the Hill and they're the winner of that category. Matthew,

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:45.480
<v Speaker 1>what is the category?

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 3>Greatest teammatee Oh, okay, okay, first to flet MATEO Chris in.

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's yeah, that's tough. Chrissy spent longer time with

0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Christy and we went to school together.

0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:01.720
<v Speaker 3>Okay, christ and he knew the Wolfman, David Williams. Chrissy, Okay, Chrissy.

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:02.719
<v Speaker 3>George to fuer.

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh picking favorites.

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.200
<v Speaker 2>I live with Georgie, Georgie.

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:10.800
<v Speaker 3>You know Georgie. Once we had a person associated with

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:13.239
<v Speaker 3>their show, like a producer of sorts, who did a

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:15.760
<v Speaker 3>bit of a skid on Georgie. Given the Georgie anyway,

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 3>Georgie sent a message through to the producer. Our producer

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 3>honestly was in the fetal position for three years.

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>That would be scary. I remember first time I ever

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 1>met him. I was down at Lockey Croker's birthday in

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.839
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nineteen and Georgie was there blind and

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 1>he mustn't have realized my last name was John's. And

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:37.720
<v Speaker 1>he kept calling me Jonesy. He kept going Cooper Jones,

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Cooper Jones, and the Brad Parker was going Georgie. He's

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 1>named fucking John's.

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 2>I think you knew, Yeah, that seems like something Georgie

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:46.960
<v Speaker 2>would do.

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:47.640
<v Speaker 3>Cooper John.

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:49.920
<v Speaker 2>We used to live around the corner together. We're just

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 2>not too far away from that was the house that

0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I lived in with Georgie for a year.

0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh really ye ken Jam Remember we nearly sent

0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>munster to the purgatory.

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Mate purgatory. Yeah okay, uh, Eric Growth Junior, George to Phil, Georgie,

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:13.759
<v Speaker 3>Georgie luke Bert, Georgie, Georgie, Tim Manor, Georgie, Georgie, Maddie Ballen, Georgie,

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Georgie chock what mar Georgie, oh Mane, he's on a roll. Georgie,

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:22.439
<v Speaker 3>Nathan Kalis, Georgie, Georgie Phoebe phooey oh foy was cooled.

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:27.720
<v Speaker 3>But Georgie, Yeah, okay, Georgie, Glenn Stewart, Georgie, Georgie Tamara

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:37.759
<v Speaker 3>Tahou Georgie, Georgie d C E D Okay, we've taken

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:41.360
<v Speaker 3>the left turn d c E. Brett Stewart uh d

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:47.959
<v Speaker 3>C d c E. Jared Haynes, Oh, who are Glenn

0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 3>McGrath d C d C. He's the last one, the

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 3>biggie Nathan high.

0:41:55.480 --> 0:42:01.320
<v Speaker 2>USh, that's easy. Scope.

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:04.879
<v Speaker 3>Thank you for coming. I really appreciate congratulations on your work, mate,

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:06.719
<v Speaker 3>Good on you, bro, Thank you mate,