WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 1 August

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live Ayer

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<v Speaker 1>Rock Stars. Now, I thank you very much for watching us.

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<v Speaker 1>the Week and a big no Sook's No Lefties Thursday Show. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as I told you, when it comes to my discussion

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<v Speaker 1>about what we leave the show with, sometimes it will

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<v Speaker 1>be and more often it will be the things that

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<v Speaker 1>happen here, sometimes obviously the stuff that happens overseas. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>let's begin with a very consequential day in the Trump

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<v Speaker 1>Harris fight. But it is not just because of the

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<v Speaker 1>event that took place today when he was speaking to

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<v Speaker 1>the Association of African American Journalists. Now, Trump of course

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<v Speaker 1>was delayed thirty five minutes. Apparently. He says it was

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<v Speaker 1>because of technical difficulties. Those that were confirmed by the

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<v Speaker 1>lady on the far right of the screen, Harris Faulkner,

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<v Speaker 1>who works for Fox News, also saying there was technical issues.

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<v Speaker 1>They say, no, it's because there was live fact checking.

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<v Speaker 1>But as you know, and we've got to go through

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<v Speaker 1>this in some detail because I want you to hear

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<v Speaker 1>everything in its proper context. It was a rather combative performance.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we all know that after about a three weeks

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<v Speaker 1>ago the assassination attempt, the suggestion was that a new

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was coming, the new concealed literary Trump. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>reality is that the Trump who actually surged to his

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<v Speaker 1>highest point in the polls was the one who said fight, fight, fight,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's exactly what he did today.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, I don't think I've ever been

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<v Speaker 2>asked a question so in such a horrible manner.

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<v Speaker 1>A first question.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't even say, hello, how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you with ABC?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think they're a fake news.

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<v Speaker 1>Network, a terrible bad work.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's disgraceful that I came here in

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<v Speaker 2>good spirit. I think it's a very rude introduction. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know exactly why you would do something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And let me go a step further.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in and I was told my opponent, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it was Biden or Kamala, I was told my opponent

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be here. It turned out my opponent

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<v Speaker 2>isn't here. You invited me under false pretense.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, all of that is the traditional battle that people

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<v Speaker 1>have expected to see Trump when it comes to all

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<v Speaker 1>forms of the media important tonight that when he says

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<v Speaker 1>ABC News fake news network, they're the ones who are

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<v Speaker 1>planning to have the next presidential debate. Obviously he's beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to lay the groundwork for not turning up at that event.

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<v Speaker 1>Potentially somewhere else in counterprogramming, we'll all find out together.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, yes, this moment which has set many a

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<v Speaker 1>hair on fire.

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<v Speaker 3>So do you believe that Vice President Kamala Harris is

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<v Speaker 3>only on the ticket because she is a black woman?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I can say no.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's maybe a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 4>So I've known her a long time, indirectly, not directly

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<v Speaker 4>very much, and she was always of Indian heritage, and

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<v Speaker 4>she was only promoting Indian heritage. I didn't know she

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<v Speaker 4>was black back until a number of years ago when

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<v Speaker 4>she happened to turn black. And now she wants to

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<v Speaker 4>be known as black. So I don't know is she

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<v Speaker 4>Indian or is she black?

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<v Speaker 1>She has always black college I.

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<v Speaker 2>Respect either one, but she obviously doesn't because she was

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<v Speaker 2>Indian all the way, and then all of a sudden she.

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<v Speaker 4>Made a turn and she went she became a black.

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<v Speaker 1>Pers Now, like many of the moments along the way

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<v Speaker 1>with Trump, there is something for everyone inside what you

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<v Speaker 1>just saw. You can focus exclusively on the part where

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<v Speaker 1>he says, look either way, I respect both of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Therefore no problem, continue past, go collect two hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>There are the others who say the mere suggestion of

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<v Speaker 1>questioning somebody's ethnicity is a birtherrism and all the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Now, I'm not going to sit here and

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<v Speaker 1>try to pretend that that wasn't at the very least

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<v Speaker 1>an awkward moment and in artful moment, or at times

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<v Speaker 1>just an uncomfortable one. It's a sign of Trump going

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<v Speaker 1>back to what has worked for him in the past

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<v Speaker 1>worked against him as well. But it is fascinating to

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<v Speaker 1>see what some of the reaction. Who's speed. Now, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to show you reaction from the cable news networks

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States, so I could show you much

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<v Speaker 1>more versions of the outrage and much more versions of

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<v Speaker 1>the defense. But generally speaking, this seemed to be the

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<v Speaker 1>attitude in response to what we all saw the former

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<v Speaker 1>president's side.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that you have someone who is a former

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<v Speaker 2>president's running for president again that is making a mockery

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<v Speaker 2>of the heritage of anybody.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree with you. It is ridiculous we're talking about

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<v Speaker 5>it and not talking about Kamala Harris's.

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<v Speaker 4>Record, but the question the vice president's ethnicity.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can't even say what I really want

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<v Speaker 2>to say about this, but I just think this was

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<v Speaker 2>a calculating mistake, and I would.

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<v Speaker 3>My reaction is that it was a complete, absolute dumpster

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<v Speaker 3>fire for the former president.

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<v Speaker 1>He did crap the bed today.

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<v Speaker 6>The only question is whether he's going to roll around

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<v Speaker 6>in it or get up and change the sheets.

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<v Speaker 7>That's a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think my advice would be, get up,

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<v Speaker 1>change the sheets. That's of course some people that you're

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<v Speaker 1>hearing from the left, right and apparently Center on Fox,

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<v Speaker 1>on Sea and all the rest of it. Now, again,

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<v Speaker 1>something that always does my heading in moments like this

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<v Speaker 1>is that unless you are the loudest person condemning, then

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<v Speaker 1>somehow you are completely okay with the worst possible things

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<v Speaker 1>that are being placed onto comments like this. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not in Trump's head. We can't pretend what he

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<v Speaker 1>was really trying to say. The best that I could

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<v Speaker 1>try to work it out was, obviously he's speaking to

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<v Speaker 1>a group of black journalists. Now, of course, For some

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States, that means African American. For others,

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<v Speaker 1>it's literally a reference to your skin color. Again, the

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<v Speaker 1>raw shacked test of Donald Trump is there for all

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<v Speaker 1>to see, and somehow if you don't condemn it as

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<v Speaker 1>loudly as somebody on MSNBC, then somehow you are pro

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<v Speaker 1>whatever they imagine the dog whistle to be. But there

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<v Speaker 1>is one little thing I wanted to mention here, and

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<v Speaker 1>again it's not the way that Trump should have said.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not really a thing Trump should have ever got into.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll show you something in a couple of minutes

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<v Speaker 1>time that actually shows why today was an important day

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<v Speaker 1>in the race, not just because of this event, which

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<v Speaker 1>much of the meeting will say is sort of his

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<v Speaker 1>debate moment. Now it's not his debate moment, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>his access Hollywood moment. But still it was absolutely a

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<v Speaker 1>sign that we are going back to form here, which

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<v Speaker 1>means everyone's back into their normal corners. The very few

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<v Speaker 1>people who are left undecided or the independence will we

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<v Speaker 1>all see how they go in the next couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mentioned before that one of the people who

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<v Speaker 1>was interviewing the president was Harris Faulkner. She's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the great people at Fox News Now. She's somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>can be tough but fair. She does long interviews where

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<v Speaker 1>she goes straight after the issues. I think that she's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty straight shooter. Now. She of course confirmed what

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<v Speaker 1>the President said about some of the technical issues that

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<v Speaker 1>in part were why he said there was difficulties on

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<v Speaker 1>the stage, but also about why there was a lateness

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<v Speaker 1>in the whole thing starting, but something that we all

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<v Speaker 1>noticed together. And I feel like there's kind of going

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<v Speaker 1>to be this public conversation where you must only have

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<v Speaker 1>one opinion about what happened, and then there's the private

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<v Speaker 1>conversations that will no doubt be happening across the United

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<v Speaker 1>States about what did he really mean? And do we

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<v Speaker 1>agree with what he really meant? But the other factor

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<v Speaker 1>here is the reaction in the room. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons why I didn't just play the little bit

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<v Speaker 1>for you, but I played the bit that had the

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<v Speaker 1>crowd reaction in it. Is that was the crowd booing,

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<v Speaker 1>was it hissing, was it peede off? Was parts of

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<v Speaker 1>it loving the sort of Trump randomizer act? Well, again,

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<v Speaker 1>Harris Faulkner, one of the people on the stage was

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<v Speaker 1>able to see what the crowd was doing, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is what she said about the crowd reaction to what

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<v Speaker 1>was being said.

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<v Speaker 3>So what I loved about what you couldn't see today

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<v Speaker 3>was how much of that audience was enjoying the moment

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<v Speaker 3>of hearing from a candidate that they might not always

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<v Speaker 3>agree with it. For all of that pushback, young journalists

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm talking to after the event are saying, well,

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<v Speaker 3>we're glad he's here.

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<v Speaker 1>But here is why today was a significant day in

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<v Speaker 1>the race, perhaps the most significant day since they changed

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<v Speaker 1>from Biden to Harris. We are now starting to see

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<v Speaker 1>the data about what is either the tippy top of

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<v Speaker 1>the surge, the tippy top of the sugar hit, or

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<v Speaker 1>the crossover point. I've shown you the betting markets for

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<v Speaker 1>multiple days as an indication of who is leading the race.

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<v Speaker 1>I should say leading the race, not winning the race,

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously the win only comes in the first Tuesday

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<v Speaker 1>in November, and we'll be in the United States for

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<v Speaker 1>many shows and will have plenty to say between now

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<v Speaker 1>and men. But you can see the betting markets are

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<v Speaker 1>now starting to pull back. Trumps still in front, ever

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<v Speaker 1>so slightly, but he lost four points in a day,

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<v Speaker 1>another couple of bad days, he goes south, and then

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<v Speaker 1>obviously things start moving back in Kamala Harris's way. But

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<v Speaker 1>as always I like to show you data because while

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<v Speaker 1>I did mention that yesterday there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>headlines saying that there was a whole collection of poles

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<v Speaker 1>that had changed the race, there were also a whole

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<v Speaker 1>collection of poles that still showed that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>significant strength with Trump. Now, one of the main sets

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<v Speaker 1>of data that I'm going to try to focus on

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<v Speaker 1>between now and the election so you have the same

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<v Speaker 1>set all the way through is the information that the

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<v Speaker 1>statistician Nate Silver has put together. He's on substack under

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<v Speaker 1>the title of the Silver bulletin. Well, have a look

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<v Speaker 1>at this, as I wanted to show you some of

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<v Speaker 1>the changes since the change in candidate. Right now, national polls,

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<v Speaker 1>remember national polls are irrelevant because it's all about swing states.

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<v Speaker 1>But still Trump was leading, Harris is now leading ever

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<v Speaker 1>so slightly. Yes, statistical tie, all the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 1>To give you an idea that generally speaking, the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>should be at least two points above the Republican or

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<v Speaker 1>they are going to be in trouble in some of

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<v Speaker 1>the swing states, but that has been the change since

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<v Speaker 1>the change to Kamala Harris. The latest five polls that

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<v Speaker 1>I can show you that came in literally in the

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<v Speaker 1>past twenty four to forty eight hours. They show Harris

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<v Speaker 1>up by two, Trump up by four. They show Harris

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<v Speaker 1>up by one, Harris up by one, and Trump up

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<v Speaker 1>by two. So again we do not have an overall picture,

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<v Speaker 1>but obviously this thing is way closer than it was

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<v Speaker 1>when Biden was the candidate. So let's get to the

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<v Speaker 1>swing states, because we are now getting swing state polling

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<v Speaker 1>that shows the Harris Trump race, not the Biden Trump race.

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<v Speaker 1>As you can see in all of these states, there

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<v Speaker 1>has been a very significant change. The change has seen

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<v Speaker 1>Trump go down and Harris go up, but he is

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<v Speaker 1>still leading in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, just

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<v Speaker 1>and Wisconsin is where Harris is winning along with Michigan. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>to give you an idea in picture form about where

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<v Speaker 1>we sit at the end of the second full week

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<v Speaker 1>of Kamala Harris being the person not Joe Biden, let's

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<v Speaker 1>have a look. Remember, you need two hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 1>votes in the electoral college, you need to win a

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<v Speaker 1>certain number of states that do swing between left and right,

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<v Speaker 1>red and blue, and Biden versus Trump. The final polls

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<v Speaker 1>there were three hundred and twelve electoral vote it's an

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<v Speaker 1>easy win for the Republicans. Well, based off today's poll.

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<v Speaker 1>If we can show that as well, the Republicans still winning,

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<v Speaker 1>but only by now seventeen votes, that essentially means that

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<v Speaker 1>move one or well two states in different directions. Harris wins,

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<v Speaker 1>not Trump. So right now Trump is still leading. The

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<v Speaker 1>question is have we hit the top of the surge

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<v Speaker 1>for Harris where she's simply not Biden. Is her vote

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<v Speaker 1>coming off Trump or is it coming off Kennedy? Which

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot of what is taking place. So it

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<v Speaker 1>brings us to the third and most important picture. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to show you one state in particular will crown

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<v Speaker 1>the president. Now, if you assume that on the far

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<v Speaker 1>left of screen in Nevada, that all of the data

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<v Speaker 1>which is continually pointing in Trump's way, means Trump wins

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<v Speaker 1>that state. Now it'd be the first time they've wanted

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<v Speaker 1>in decades. But still it all comes down to Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>They have nineteen electoral votes. You add nineteen to the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats two hundred and fifty one, bang to seventy. You

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<v Speaker 1>add nineteen to the Republicans two sixty eight, then obviously

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<v Speaker 1>that is a victory. So it is all now about

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Pennsylvania. Hence why most likely Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 1>will choose the current governor of Pennsylvania as her running mate.

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<v Speaker 1>But make no mistake, if Pennsylvania moves, it has the

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<v Speaker 1>capacity to crown Harris. If the data falls away in Nevada,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll start to sink Trump. The third thing that was

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<v Speaker 1>the most significant thing that happened today that showed a

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<v Speaker 1>change in the way this is all working. Blind Freddi

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<v Speaker 1>would tend you that it has been difficult for Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump to work out exactly how he is going to

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<v Speaker 1>define and then attack Kamala Harris. We will know where

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<v Speaker 1>the media is, and we all know that the media

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<v Speaker 1>is now involved in the coronation. But after the event

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<v Speaker 1>with the journalists that took place today in Chicago, the

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<v Speaker 1>former president flew back to Pennsylvania, the state where the

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<v Speaker 1>assassination attempt had happened a couple of weeks ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>that I have mentioned is basically the ultimate place you

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<v Speaker 1>definitely need to win if you are going to become

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<v Speaker 1>the president. And at a rally today we started to

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<v Speaker 1>see what I think is the effective way to take

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<v Speaker 1>on Kamala Harris. He's the first thing that he said.

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<v Speaker 8>But as we're fighting to bring back the American dream

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<v Speaker 8>for you and your family, the radical left Democrat party

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<v Speaker 8>bosses have installed a puppet candidate to fight only for themselves.

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<v Speaker 8>Kamala Harris got zero votes. She's totally scripted, owned and

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<v Speaker 8>controlled by the donors and the power brokers who created

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<v Speaker 8>her campaign and who rip off our government and make

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<v Speaker 8>billions and billions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember all of this matters because are the poles just

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<v Speaker 1>going to tell us? Are the polse is going to

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<v Speaker 1>catch up with where the public sentiment's been over the

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<v Speaker 1>past few days. Were currently at about fifty to fifty

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<v Speaker 1>in line ball. There might be some more to grow.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we have tapped out at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>where Harris is before, of course she starts seriously campaigning

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<v Speaker 1>or god forbid, actually answering a single question. Remember, not

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<v Speaker 1>one question has been asked of her since the elevation,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing about why did you lie about the state of

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<v Speaker 1>the president, what did you really say, behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>all of that. But of course none of that will

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<v Speaker 1>be done in anywhere but friendly media, most likely probably

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<v Speaker 1>on some sort of a podcast or radio show. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, the form of the same people that are

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<v Speaker 1>running this campaign was to hand the questions to the interviewers. That,

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<v Speaker 1>of course was admitted by the Biden now Harris campaign. Second,

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<v Speaker 1>this is another way that Trump, if he can maintain

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<v Speaker 1>a lead, would be able to do so. Now he

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<v Speaker 1>can move the words around, move the emphasis around. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is how he could take on Harris Well.

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<v Speaker 8>After lying to the country for years about Joe Biden's

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<v Speaker 8>mental and physical condition, Kamala is now being given a

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<v Speaker 8>personality makeover. Don't forget four weeks ago she was considered

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<v Speaker 8>the worst, not smart, terrible, the worst vice president in history.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the worst president.

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<v Speaker 2>We've ever had.

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<v Speaker 8>But they were considered terrible, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 8>she's the new Margaret Thatcher that happened.

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<v Speaker 7>Right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm showing you all of this because probably the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing you've seen is of course, that moment about skin

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<v Speaker 1>color and race. But if you're actually paying attention to

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<v Speaker 1>all of the other things, this is the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that will turn up in the ads now, even

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<v Speaker 1>though Donald Trunk can't be told what to say, Clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever research they have behind the scenes is starting to

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<v Speaker 1>turn up in these messages that she's a fake, that

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<v Speaker 1>clearly she is part of every problem which forced people

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<v Speaker 1>to think that they didn't want to vote Democrat at

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<v Speaker 1>this upcoming election. Remember, they are defending a record Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is attacking. Trump lost, of course when he was defending

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<v Speaker 1>his record, and it was the Democrats who were attacking.

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<v Speaker 1>Third and final sign of where Trump might go in

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<v Speaker 1>the next couple of days.

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<v Speaker 8>Because everything about Kamala Harris roll out, it's phony and

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<v Speaker 8>it's fake. Did you see when President Obama and Michelle called?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see Hello? Hello? Yes? Yes, who is this?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh?

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<v Speaker 8>This is Michelle and Barack.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh, so surprised to hear they got four cameras in front. Oh,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm so surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>It's unspeaker for listen.

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<v Speaker 8>We just want to congratulate.

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<v Speaker 1>You on destroying Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm in on the winning the Hey is Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 8>going to? Was that the phoniest phone call you've ever seen?

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<v Speaker 1>There's a word that many people in politics talk about

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes, and sometimes you might see it in

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<v Speaker 1>some of the media coverage. It's called authenticity. If he's

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<v Speaker 1>able to effectively make her out to be fake or

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<v Speaker 1>being presented as somebody who she really is not, well,

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<v Speaker 1>then he's going to start to win on that front.

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<v Speaker 1>Authenticity with Trump mainz. Sometimes if you are somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>would like to be in the next president, there were

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<v Speaker 1>awkward days are days and moments and comments that are

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<v Speaker 1>at times even straight out indefensible. But if you're somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who knows that Kamala Harris is not presenting herself as

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<v Speaker 1>the person she has been for the years as the

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<v Speaker 1>vice president who clearly was involved in the decisions which

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<v Speaker 1>annoyed the American people so much so that even in

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<v Speaker 1>these polls, something like sixty percent of people in that

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<v Speaker 1>country say they're headed in the wrong direction. And in

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<v Speaker 1>many ways, much of her presentation, regardless of what office

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<v Speaker 1>she's been run from, has been some sort of fake

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<v Speaker 1>and a phony. Well that seems to get the message

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<v Speaker 1>out of a place where the days become difficult, or

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<v Speaker 1>as the bloke said, you need to change the sheets.

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<v Speaker 1>Back home. Here in Australia, let's talk about our old

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<v Speaker 1>mat albow, greatest prime Minister of all time, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the man who will win the next five hundred federal elections.

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<v Speaker 1>Just ask him, just ask the people around him. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing again that many of the people who are

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<v Speaker 1>paid to talk about politics on all the different parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the media, they don't want to talk about, which

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<v Speaker 1>is that the Prime minist is underwater in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>approval of versus disapproval. More people disapprove and the News

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<v Speaker 1>pole of the Essential poll and the Resolve poll to

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<v Speaker 1>the point of seven percent in the News Pole three

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<v Speaker 1>percent the Essential. But what about in the Resolve poll,

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<v Speaker 1>that one that turns up in the city morning here

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<v Speaker 1>on the Age and the Brisbane Times, he's minus twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two right now. Now, of course we know why, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's because what was promised has not been delivered and

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<v Speaker 1>you can't b sua out of things like a labor

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<v Speaker 1>government will lower the cost of everything, or telling people

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<v Speaker 1>that no matter how many times you've lied, your word

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<v Speaker 1>is your bond, my word is my bond, that you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to cut their power bills.

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<v Speaker 2>Deducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.

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<v Speaker 6>By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars

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<v Speaker 6>a year.

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<v Speaker 1>Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year will.

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<v Speaker 6>Get power prices down by two hundred and seventy five

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<v Speaker 6>dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 1>But on your watch, the majority of Australians believe that

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<v Speaker 1>their policies when it comes to pushing too many renewables

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<v Speaker 1>too fast, is shoving up power prices that have gone

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<v Speaker 1>up by such a margin that most people will not

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<v Speaker 1>even notice the seventy five dollars every three months that

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<v Speaker 1>will be taken off the bills. But of course it's

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<v Speaker 1>all eaten up by ever increasing costs on your power

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<v Speaker 1>bills because of, in part, the move of a trillion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars worth of a brand new energy system. And then

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<v Speaker 1>of course there's the endless defense of the indefensible. And

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<v Speaker 1>even when you have to move ministers who have done

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<v Speaker 1>a shocking job in terms of protecting the country, well

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<v Speaker 1>you don't admit that you did it because they did

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<v Speaker 1>a bad job.

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<v Speaker 9>Why did you because there's a reshuffle.

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<v Speaker 1>But right now at the top of the list is

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<v Speaker 1>nervousness about where people live. There is serious concern around

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<v Speaker 1>the country about how much it costs to rent a home,

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<v Speaker 1>about how few homes there are available for rent. But

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<v Speaker 1>front and center, the single biggest concern between now and

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<v Speaker 1>next week is are they going to put up interest rates? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Most again betting people would suggest it's probably not going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen tomorrow, but it's not going to happen for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the year. And remember, and Anthony Abernezi,

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<v Speaker 1>there had been not one, not two, not three, not four,

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<v Speaker 1>not five, not six, not seven, not eight, not nine,

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<v Speaker 1>not ten, not eleven, but twelve interest rate rises the

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<v Speaker 1>elbow doesn't thirteen in all since the very first one

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<v Speaker 1>that happened during the election campaign back in twenty twenty two. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>remember when this was the reaction of the Labor Party

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<v Speaker 1>when interest rates went up once.

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<v Speaker 6>This is a full blown cost of living crisis on

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<v Speaker 6>Scott Morrison's watch. When things are going well in the economy,

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<v Speaker 6>he takes all of the credit, and when times are

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<v Speaker 6>tough in the economy, he takes none of the responsibility.

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<v Speaker 1>So where's the responsibility been When it's happened twelve times

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<v Speaker 1>more literally, twelve times worse than the situation that they

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<v Speaker 1>tried to make the most out of and were politically

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<v Speaker 1>rewarded in May of twenty twenty two, they can no

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<v Speaker 1>longer run and pretended somebody else's economy. It is their

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<v Speaker 1>economy and it has been for a long time. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>plenty will give the benefit of the doubt, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to do it because we all saw what

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<v Speaker 1>was happening, what was coming. We were ridiculed for talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it. But guess what turned out to be true.

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<v Speaker 1>The people who promised everything delivered nothing. In fact, they

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<v Speaker 1>made things worse. The people who said it was time

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<v Speaker 1>to change the government because there was one interest rate

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<v Speaker 1>rise now say reelectus, despite the fact there have been twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>A thirteenth may will be on the way next week.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, my sense of these things, in relation to

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<v Speaker 1>the inflation numbers, which again are now starting to go

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<v Speaker 1>back up, well is that most likely they'll take a

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<v Speaker 1>punt of another weight. But if prices continue to remain

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<v Speaker 1>way closer to four percent inflation than two percent inflation,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what the Preserve Bank wants, they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>raise interest rates again. And even people who couldn't stand

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<v Speaker 1>anything that I ever have to say, who think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>wrong on every particular issue, and of course by their

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<v Speaker 1>own admission as a self admitted liar, like nasty, Nikki Sava. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>she's now identified that there is a serious political consequence

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what we're talking about for months. In fact, the

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<v Speaker 1>headline on her thing today in the nine newspapers is

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<v Speaker 1>whatever's achievements the Prime Minister? Another rate rise were just

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<v Speaker 1>about Bury Albanesi. Another rate rise would gravely damage the government.

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<v Speaker 1>It would almost certainly tip the economy into recession, making

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<v Speaker 1>political recovery in time for the next election extremely difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to reality, Nicki. But of course she likes to

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<v Speaker 1>say that everything is the Peter Dutton problem, and even

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<v Speaker 1>when she's pointing out the obvious concerns that are there

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<v Speaker 1>inside the Labour Party, she still had a wack at

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton. But interestingly, it's been noted by a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of people in the media that there may well be

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<v Speaker 1>a new line of attack from the opposition that could work,

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<v Speaker 1>that could get them closer than they currently are to

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<v Speaker 1>government but yet a minority position, or even just a

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<v Speaker 1>healthier version of the opposition that currently exists. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the new line of attack from Peter Dutton. Expect this

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<v Speaker 1>to be said many times between now and the election.

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<v Speaker 1>It's obvious to all Australians. Now, the Prime Minister may

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<v Speaker 1>not be a bad person, but he's a shocking prime

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<v Speaker 1>minister and he can't make decisions that ultimately are in

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<v Speaker 1>the best interest of our country. Watch this space plenty

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<v Speaker 1>more action Again. My sense, my sizeable gut, is that

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to raise them in the next month.

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<v Speaker 1>But will they raise them again before the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the year. Plenty of economists say yes, and perhaps more

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<v Speaker 1>than once. If it would virtually wipe out a prime minister,

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<v Speaker 1>we just one imagine what two or three could possibly

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<v Speaker 1>end up doing. That is some predictions from some economists. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I love clubs. I love clubs because it was the

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<v Speaker 1>way that when I was growing up, you knew that

0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:43.200
<v Speaker 1>this was the local place to go. I wasn't really

0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:45.200
<v Speaker 1>brought up by a family that went to the pub

0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:48.080
<v Speaker 1>that often, but certainly whenever we had significant events, we

0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:50.440
<v Speaker 1>would go to the local club. That's where you'd celebrate

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:53.760
<v Speaker 1>the birthdays and the significant events, the schnitzels and all

0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.280
<v Speaker 1>the rest of it. So I love clubs. I love

0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:57.960
<v Speaker 1>what they do and what they do for the community.

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<v Speaker 1>But also what I particularly love about clubs and bowling

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<v Speaker 1>clubs is that they are a connection to the greatest generation,

0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:09.800
<v Speaker 1>the people who went and fought for the country principally

0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:12.439
<v Speaker 1>in and around World War Two, and these were the

0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 1>places that they hung out in the years to follow.

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:20.720
<v Speaker 1>It's where we, as their grandkids or you potentially as

0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:24.160
<v Speaker 1>their children, were able to go and again celebrate major events.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would hate to see these things slowly disappear.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is a reality that there are many clubs

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 1>which are only barely staying alive in regional Australia. I

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<v Speaker 1>know the particular importance of a thing like a club,

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<v Speaker 1>and while I understand and Mate was telling me today

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<v Speaker 1>that there's actually a significant number of people who are

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:46.000
<v Speaker 1>going to the club more than they used to because

0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe the money they would have spent at a restaurant,

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.440
<v Speaker 1>they can spend well less money for the same type

0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 1>of food and offering at their local club or bowling club.

0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 1>And I would hate to see these things disappear again.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they are wonderful little reminders of the people

0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 1>who made the country what it is, the country that

0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 1>we seek to defend, that we seek to debate about

0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:08.639
<v Speaker 1>each and every night. But there are some pretty active

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.200
<v Speaker 1>moves at the moment to find ways to either financially

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 1>cripple these clubs or just outright wipe them off the map. Now,

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.080
<v Speaker 1>whether the assumption is that that's because these are the

0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:20.160
<v Speaker 1>places that may well still have a picture of Her

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:24.479
<v Speaker 1>Majesty when Elizabeth still hanging on their walls, because that

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 1>was what was there decades earlier, but of course it's not.

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:32.439
<v Speaker 1>These places are places that have got a wonderful connection

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 1>between in my case, grandparents, parents, and an opportunity to

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 1>hang out with the kids. But when I say about

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:44.399
<v Speaker 1>a war on clubs, it is coming on multiple fronts. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about the club that has got something

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<v Speaker 1>like three hundred poker machines, and let's be honest, they

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.959
<v Speaker 1>have not really focused it and around anything to do

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:53.840
<v Speaker 1>with the return services anymore. They're basically sort of just giants,

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 1>sort of mini casinos that yes, do a lot of

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:58.879
<v Speaker 1>good as well, but pretty obvious that one of the

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<v Speaker 1>ma main reasons why they're open or four o'clock in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning is so you can play the pokeys, something

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a problem with. If you have a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>of course you should seek counseling, But if you choose

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<v Speaker 1>to do that with your entertainment good luck to you,

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:12.720
<v Speaker 1>But this is what's happening, particularly to bowling clubs in

0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>New South Wales. Now. Bowling clubs, of course, are not

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 1>as big, not as powerful as some of the other

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:21.720
<v Speaker 1>clubs that are in and around our communities. They often

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:25.120
<v Speaker 1>exist on crown land and they are given ninety nine

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.719
<v Speaker 1>year leases, mostly by the state government but sometimes by

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<v Speaker 1>local councils. In the case of New South Wales, if

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>your bowling club is on land that is owned by

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.399
<v Speaker 1>the Nis and Whales government, they are jacking up the

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:38.439
<v Speaker 1>rent right through the roof, and to me is no

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<v Speaker 1>other option here than trying to choke these clubs out

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<v Speaker 1>of existence.

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<v Speaker 10>Their rent is skyrocketing from twenty three thousand to ninety

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<v Speaker 10>five thousand dollars over the course of the next two years.

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<v Speaker 10>The same goes at Penrith Bolow up from five thousand

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<v Speaker 10>to sixty five thousand. At Sea Fourth twenty five and

0:26:57.119 --> 0:27:00.359
<v Speaker 10>a half thousand will rise to sixty five thousand dollars.

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 10>Even taking into accounter rebate, their rent is still doubling

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 10>all up at sites across the state at extra six

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 10>million dollars will be netted for government coffers.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what they plan to do with the land, whether

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:16.159
<v Speaker 1>you try to sell it, often it into housing, or

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 1>as many other communities have done, find a new reason

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 1>for that space to be repurposed. But still this is

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a really important part of our culture that I certainly

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:29.959
<v Speaker 1>hope that we don't lose. Another version of it is

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:32.879
<v Speaker 1>happening with Local Council now again local council owns some

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 1>land and much of that land can be loaned out

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 1>ninety nine year leases and the rest for things like

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 1>local sporting or local bowling clubs. There's a place in

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Sydney called lane Cove. It's at the lower North Shore

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 1>end of things and traditionally will end up sending Conservative

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>members to the state or to the Federal Parliament. But

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 1>as the telification of things, or in the case of

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 1>lane Cove Council, the greenification of things, will guess what

0:27:57.600 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 1>types of things they are starting to move against the

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 1>symbol of the communities that represented the greatest generation. Because

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:06.360
<v Speaker 1>of course everything in the past was terrible. Everything must

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 1>be flushed down the toot and everything else must be renamed.

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Lankov Council decided to vote that you are not allowed

0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 1>to have poker machines on land. That is owned by

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the council. The person who made the suggestion is unsurprisingly

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:24.119
<v Speaker 1>a Greens counselor, and amazingly, seven of the nine people

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 1>on the council voted in favor of this move, knowing

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 1>that it will have a serious financial effect on a

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>couple of clubs in the area. The Green's Council, it's

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 1>old the ABC. Unsurprisingly the council shouldn't be in the

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 1>business of supporting gambling or supporting poker machines in any way.

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 1>The response from the clubs that are affected here from

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<v Speaker 1>our point of view as a small club, the impact

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 1>is huge. Every dollar is huge for us. We are

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 1>very community based. It would affect quite numerous community groups

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>with the club. We have kick for kids, karate, we

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.719
<v Speaker 1>also have elderly yoga. If you're serious about reducing gambling,

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 1>it probably wouldn't be the first point of interest, correct.

0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>So here's the deal. In New South Wali, as there

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>are about to be local government elections, question everyone who

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>is running for counsel firstly what's their position on Australia

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Day and secondly what's their position when it comes to

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the local sporting clubs. But most importantly can you do

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 1>me a favor this weekend. Go to your local bowlow

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 1>if you're able to have a role, do so. If

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 1>you're only able to pop in just for some fish

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and chips, or maybe even just a couple of schooners

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 1>on the way home, please do so. These clubs need it.

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Our friends of course at the balgowla bowling club, literally

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>have a go fundme page up right now. We went

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 1>and saw them when we were doing ourtown a few

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 7>There.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't just love your local club and be annoyed if

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 1>it ever disappears. Go to your local club, go to

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>your local bowlo support them with the thing that they

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 1>need most, your time, your money, because it's a way

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 1>of keeping alive things that our parents or grandparents held

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 1>dear a place to have a community worth fighting for

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 1>overseas or hear each and every day crazy stuff in

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Victoria today, as the CFM and U allegations first aired

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:20.000
<v Speaker 1>by your Channel nine a couple of weeks ago, still

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 1>continue to reverberate now. The Victorian Planning Minister, of course,

0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 1>is one of those people inside the Victorian government who

0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 1>apparently had some knowledge about the stuff that all of

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 1>us learnt together via the sixty Minutes program. You may

0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>remember her appalling performance at a press conference.

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 7>I had been made aware as a local member of

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 7>Parliament of one allegation, and that matter has been referred

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 7>to Fair Work Commission and is being dealt with their appropriately.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, an opportunity to try to find out who knew

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 1>what and when in some sort of a scenario where

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>somebody would actually have to swear to tell the truth

0:30:58.440 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and there'd be some sort of punishment if they did,

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 1>would be something like an Upper House inquiry. Now, as

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I've told you before, the only way the Labor Party

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 1>can pass anything at the moment through the Victorian Parliament

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>is with the support of the Greens plus some of

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>either Animal Justice or the legalized cannabis people. Well, guess

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 1>what happened today. The Greens decided to vote with the

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 1>government to stop an inquiry in the Upper House into

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 1>who knew what and when about the CFMEU. There was

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 1>also plenty of drama in question time as an opposition

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>that we often correctly bag as not having any backbone

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 1>actually showed they've got something in their spine somewhere.

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 5>Over the last ten years. How many times was the

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<v Speaker 5>Premier warned about the cfmus thuggery, corruption and criminal behavior

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 5>on taxpayer funded major projects.

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Good, no wiggle room, right, but of course this is

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>the Labor Party in Victoria. There's nothing but wiggle room.

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 5>You, speaker. As I have said on a number of

0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 5>occasions where allegations will raise.

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>With me and good on them, they weren't going to

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>play the pantomime anymore. So when eventually the questions were

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 1>not going to be asked, when the procedures and the

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 1>government was using its numbers to essentially fight against some

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of transparency, there went. You know what, We're not

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 1>playing anymore.

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 5>We have now asked a total of twenty four questions, very.

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Simple order type questions. What is your point of order?

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 9>Speaker?

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<v Speaker 5>We will not stand with respect, We understand your role.

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 5>This is not directed at the chair, but we will

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 5>not accept a government that is covering up up.

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 1>A government that question.

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 5>We have asked twenty four simple questions and not.

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Got one answer. We will not stand for it.

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 5>I'm going to ask colleagues, let's let's show that this questions.

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>No good. You can't do that stunt every single day,

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 1>But if it's a way of proving the point that

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 1>the entire system is against you because of the nature

0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:58.959
<v Speaker 1>of the numbers inside the Parliament and every now and

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 1>then when they're going to play their games and something

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>is as serious as what's been a legend and around

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:05.959
<v Speaker 1>the cfmau yep make the point why because it'll turn

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>up on the six pm news. Sure, twenty eight minutes

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>in after all of the Olympic stuff. But still someone somewhere.

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 1>So whoever made the decision today for the Victorian Liberal

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Party to stand up and walk out, well done. We'll

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 1>talk about it with Michael Crogan in a moment here

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 1>on Poor Murray Live. Tell me who do you think

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 1>is the winner and loser of the week? Jump onto

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 1>the socials? No, it looks no left is what a

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 1>way to hang out this Thursday night. And other than

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Kristin Abrams of course, who joins us now? Of course,

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 1>so you freedom fighter, A lovely lady who joints. Look

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 1>at you all dressed up looking amazing. They're in lovely Melbourne.

0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Of course, the wonderful Michael Krogan who always looks great

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:43.440
<v Speaker 1>as well. See see how it's done? All right, great man,

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 1>look as I come back.

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<v Speaker 11>So it's too from your holiday.

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Thank you? Loving to be back. I don't miss the

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>cough that I got on the holiday. So I'm plays

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 1>that I'm all back and ready and doing what we do.

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about what happened at office Works. Now,

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 1>we've all seen the footage. If you haven't, let me

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 1>show you this, right, which is that somebody's trying to

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 1>get laminated a newspaper, right, a newspaper that is available

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:10.439
<v Speaker 1>in Australia, freely available in Australia. Yet a person behind

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:12.719
<v Speaker 1>their counter turns around says, no, they're not willing to

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>do it.

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:13.359
<v Speaker 8>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what happened a minute before. I don't

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 1>know what happened a minute after, but this is what

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:19.400
<v Speaker 1>we can all see with our own eyes as a

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:20.720
<v Speaker 1>rather weird moment.

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<v Speaker 11>What's that I'm pro Palestine?

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 1>That's okay here to do a job of luminating.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, we need We have the right to deny jobs.

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<v Speaker 10>Is that an office works position or your personal position?

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:34.799
<v Speaker 11>It is an officer, so we have the right to

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:35.399
<v Speaker 11>deny jobs.

0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 6>So office works position is that you're pro Palestine.

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:41.280
<v Speaker 7>You won't take why that's my position?

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<v Speaker 11>But we have the right to deny jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the reason of denaying.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm not comfortably proceeding with it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, A couple of things here, Michael. I'm interested

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 1>about how the company is going to respond to this,

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 1>because if the company's policy is that an individual member

0:34:57.080 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 1>of staff can make decisions about whether or not they

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.960
<v Speaker 1>are going to develop your photos or aren't going to

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>laminate your jobs, well, that really does change most people's

0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 1>expectations about the retail experience. But for obvious reasons. Here

0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:15.240
<v Speaker 1>you've got a scenario where somebody is denying somebody access

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 1>to a business because of the politics of what's happening

0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:20.200
<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the world.

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<v Speaker 9>What do you think, Well, that made me sick today

0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:31.160
<v Speaker 9>when I saw that video. That is that is sickening,

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:36.399
<v Speaker 9>and shame on that young woman. Just shame on her.

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:40.359
<v Speaker 9>She's an employee, I presume, not an independent contractor, so

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 9>she has to act in accords with an instruction of

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.360
<v Speaker 9>her employer. I hope that she's been sacked by the

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 9>way for that act. Of course, if the man across

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:52.399
<v Speaker 9>the counter was gay and she said I'd a't serve

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 9>gay people, would she still be employed? Great point by

0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 9>that company. Secondly, of course, if the boot was on

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 9>the other foot and this was a Palestinian who'd been

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:05.280
<v Speaker 9>treated that way. The Left would have a thousand people

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:14.720
<v Speaker 9>outside the office works store today, you know, banging doors, chanting,

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:17.800
<v Speaker 9>carrying on and putting the management under extreme pressure. The

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 9>Jewish community don't do that. Sadly, I wish they had

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 9>one hundred people or a thousand people outside that store tomorrow,

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.840
<v Speaker 9>because this is sickening that this is happening in a

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 9>Jewish part of Melbourne. I had a friend when I

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 9>was in Jerusalem and tel Aviv in January. I was

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 9>talking to a fellow there who I said, helling you

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:36.319
<v Speaker 9>be in Israel. He said, I'd only just moved there

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:39.239
<v Speaker 9>to Tel Aviv from Corefield and I said, oh, why

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.839
<v Speaker 9>have you moved from Corfield to Tel Aviv? And he said,

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 9>I feel much safer in tel Aviv.

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<v Speaker 1>Blimey, that's extraordinary. That is extraordinary when looked where the

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 1>iron name's going on, believable all day every day. Sick

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:54.279
<v Speaker 1>Kristen again again, I am fascinated. I of course I

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:58.400
<v Speaker 1>agree with how despicable the idea is that the individual

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 1>employee turns around and says, because of my beliefs, we're

0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 1>not doing this. We're obviously the standard in Australia is

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.240
<v Speaker 1>that we've got to the point where well, if somebody

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 1>opposes your political opinion, or your sexuality or your race,

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 1>these are all not reasons not to serve. We don't

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 1>live in that sort of thing which gets argued in

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 1>places like the United States where well a baker has

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the right, same says all of that garbage, right, how

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 1>should this company respond to Kristen?

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<v Speaker 11>Look, I think this is a bungle. You talked about

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 11>the policy, so I reckon office works policy is something

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:34.000
<v Speaker 11>similar to office works has the right to refuse printing

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:38.280
<v Speaker 11>scanning if the images are offensive or if the documents

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 11>are offensive in nature, probably referring to things like pornography

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:47.799
<v Speaker 11>correct or a nudity or explicit pictures, and that has

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 11>been misinterpreted, which comes down to training for office works.

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 11>I do you know, I understand what Michael is saying,

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:55.879
<v Speaker 11>but I don't think they are going to be able

0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 11>to terminate because it is a lack of training and

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:00.399
<v Speaker 11>the lack of understanding of the policy, which obvious makes

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 11>it difficult. But it is sad that our society has

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 11>gotten to this point where somewhere, you know, as trivial

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 11>as office works, where you should be able to kind

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 11>of get your stationary and basic printing here and there,

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:15.920
<v Speaker 11>all scanning, laminating, whatever it is you are having to

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:19.359
<v Speaker 11>engage in this political discourse where we should all feel

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 11>safe in society.

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 1>And the thing, Michael, is is that you can have

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 1>literally any view on what is taking place right all

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 1>the way from oh, it's historically this, or it's historically that,

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:33.319
<v Speaker 1>this is okay, this is not okay, this is the

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 1>right to this, all of it. But what has seeped

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 1>into our culture, right, this is the latest example of it.

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 1>But what has seeped into our culture is this idea

0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 1>that the individual's politics is able to be practiced sort

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 1>of face to face. It's something that we have seen

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 1>happen from of recent months, the trashing of officers. We've

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 1>seen it in multiple ways. And what I find amazing

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:05.839
<v Speaker 1>is that inevitably in the next twenty four hours we're

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 1>going to go back to your interpretation of the conflict.

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Is your interpretation of the video as opposed to saying

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:15.040
<v Speaker 1>the thing that makes Australia safe for all people of

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:18.839
<v Speaker 1>all faiths, of all opinions, is that because of your

0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:22.840
<v Speaker 1>opinion bar something that is as Kristen says, obviously about

0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>pornography or all the really terrible and obvious things, that

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 1>you are free to walk in and out of a

0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 1>shop and not be afraid that because you are a

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 1>member of one Nation, or a member of the Greens,

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 1>or somebody who wants to frame the Jewish newspaper or

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:42.279
<v Speaker 1>somebody who wants to frame the Palestinian newsletter, that you

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 1>will not be refused service. But how have we got here?

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I know that that's sort of a two hour answer

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>to a ten second question. But we are at a

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 1>point where if we don't push back on this stuff

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 1>and say no, no, no, no, no, no no no. You can disagree,

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.840
<v Speaker 1>but you can't do this stuff, then we're going to

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 1>become a very different joint. Or maybe we are. He have.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, so mate, what has happened in this country since

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:11.719
<v Speaker 9>October seven is the anti Israel, anti Semitic Jewish hating.

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Hard left.

0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:19.279
<v Speaker 9>Who just hate Jews, who have been joined by some

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:22.960
<v Speaker 9>more well meaning people who do genuinely support the Palestinian

0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 9>cause and particularly dislike Jews. But they've all got meshed

0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:29.360
<v Speaker 9>up together. The extremists on the hard left have pushed

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:33.320
<v Speaker 9>the boundaries and limits of our democracy. They've pushed free

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 9>speech across the line. They've they've used our freedom to

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 9>demonstrate crossing the line between what is acceptable and what

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:46.360
<v Speaker 9>is not acceptable, for example, yelling out slogans which involve,

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.080
<v Speaker 9>you know, demands and requirements for the Jewish state to

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 9>be destroyed and Jewish people to be killed. The Left

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:55.879
<v Speaker 9>have pushed the boundaries deliberately, so because the Left try

0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:59.640
<v Speaker 9>and intimidate the middle class who basically don't pay as

0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:02.839
<v Speaker 9>much tension to these things as everyone else does. And

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.319
<v Speaker 9>so what you've seen is a weak federal government. And

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 9>I'm directly blaming Albanesi. I mean, he has been a hopeless, weak,

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 9>pathetic leader on anti Semitism. The rise in anti Semitism

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 9>in this country is a reflection of the fact that

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:21.280
<v Speaker 9>the Prime Minister has been hopelessly weak. He's been aided

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:26.920
<v Speaker 9>and avetted by Penny Wong's appalling behavior, appalling behavior towards Israel,

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 9>and they've created this climate in Australia where there's some

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 9>kind of moral equivalence between the Jewish cause and the

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:36.720
<v Speaker 9>Palestinian cause. On the one hand, you've got a freedom

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 9>loving liberal democracy in Israel, and on the other hand,

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 9>you've got Palestinian leadership, who execute gays, who murder and

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 9>behead you know, innocent Israelis who don't hold elections, who

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:54.359
<v Speaker 9>are opposed the democracy, who support terrorism, et cetera, cetera.

0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 9>He has successfully he's successfully done this.

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I don't agree. Sorry, Kristin, finish up here

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:03.760
<v Speaker 1>and then we'll go to a break.

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<v Speaker 11>I was just going to say that I think the

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.799
<v Speaker 11>problem is that they're targeting the young as well. And

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 11>it's not like liberal or labor was activating the young people.

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:16.960
<v Speaker 11>This particular narrative is absolutely targeting them. And what are

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.279
<v Speaker 11>we doing to actually educate them as to what is

0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:22.240
<v Speaker 11>going on? It is Albanesia. I completely agree with Michael,

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:24.840
<v Speaker 11>but we need to do more to actually educate the

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 11>young people that are engaging in this behavior.

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:29.440
<v Speaker 1>All right, as I said, you can have any view

0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 1>you want, and I'm fine to argue all views, right,

0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:32.959
<v Speaker 1>but when we start to get to this idea about

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 1>your free movement access to things is directly correlated to

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:40.879
<v Speaker 1>your denial of it is your opinion, then we're into

0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:42.960
<v Speaker 1>a different place. That's what we're debating tonight. But I

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 1>look forward to it being cut up and misinterpreted by

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the Internet, or at least the ABC. Between now and

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:55.879
<v Speaker 1>when we meet on Sunday, we break back more. Here

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 1>we are in conversation with Michael Kroger and Kristin Abram,

0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 1>of course, who is a libertarian com and Tata love

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 1>to see you both. So let's talk about today and

0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:05.920
<v Speaker 1>my theory of the case, Kristen, which is today was

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.240
<v Speaker 1>a very consequential day, and what's happening in the states

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 1>right Firstly, we start to see a leveling up where

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.760
<v Speaker 1>it's basically fifty to fifty right now in the national

0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 1>vote and the polls Trump was winning. Trump is leading

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 1>still in all of the swing states, but Kamala is

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 1>starting to pull a couple back, and now it looks

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:24.839
<v Speaker 1>like a scenario where if everything sort of stays where

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 1>it currently is, it could all come down to one state. Also,

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 1>we saw, yes, the comments with the Blake journalists, but

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.399
<v Speaker 1>also I wanted to take the time to show where

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:35.440
<v Speaker 1>some of the potential Trump attack lines are going to

0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:38.360
<v Speaker 1>be there about sort of the fake, phony and wrong stuff,

0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 1>which I think is going to be a much better message.

0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 1>But of course we'll be drowned out by the outrage

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 1>of what happened today. Do you think today was a

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 1>consequential day or this is just one of those days

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:48.480
<v Speaker 1>where it's consequential for the media because they get to

0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:49.520
<v Speaker 1>go orange man bad.

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:55.680
<v Speaker 11>It's such a complicated answer, Paul, But you love to

0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:57.920
<v Speaker 11>ask me identity of politics questions, don't you.

0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I know you're so into it, Like as a libertarian,

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 1>you just I love it.

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 2>I do.

0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 10>I do so.

0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:10.560
<v Speaker 11>In terms of what he said at the Black Journalists

0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:17.960
<v Speaker 11>Press Conference, yeah, reporting me definitely inappropriate. The problem is

0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:20.200
<v Speaker 11>when you turn around and say someone is a diversity

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:23.120
<v Speaker 11>higher or you're you end up talking about their race

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 11>or whatever. You do disincentivize all the or negate all

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:32.040
<v Speaker 11>of the accomplishments that they have had. And I have

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:33.960
<v Speaker 11>a massive problem with that. Every time I get to

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:36.120
<v Speaker 11>an achievement in my life that I have extremely worked

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 11>extremely hard for, people turn around and go, yep, the

0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:41.439
<v Speaker 11>diversity quota is there. Even if it is a joke,

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 11>it's still said. So I think that is poor form.

0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:47.879
<v Speaker 11>And I think if Trump continues to make these kind

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:51.319
<v Speaker 11>of comments and word vomit here and there, Kamela May,

0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 11>Stephen Brad Brieham, so he just needs to be careful

0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 11>on his word vomit, because if she doesn't run a campaign,

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 11>potentially the votes will continue to go on. Who knows

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 11>what happens when she runs a campaign, though.

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:04.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean look again, you know there's any views,

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:07.480
<v Speaker 1>there's there's there's the conventions, there's the sentencing, there's that.

0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:09.160
<v Speaker 1>We all know what are the set dates between now

0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 1>and then. But the reality is early voting in the machine.

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 1>And again we've seen before literally in the state of Pennsylvania,

0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 1>there was a Senate fight between a blokeout a stroke

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:19.319
<v Speaker 1>and a TV doctor, right, and people were pretending they

0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 1>were arguing as if they were sort of arguing over

0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:24.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, the most serious things in history. So people

0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:27.919
<v Speaker 1>just get behind their team in the end, Michael, again,

0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:29.480
<v Speaker 1>we've all seen the poles. We've all seen that when

0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 1>it was Biden, what the path was going to be.

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 1>We've all seen what's changed. We all see how fake

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:37.040
<v Speaker 1>some of this can be. So is your sense though,

0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 1>that today we saw the potential fight. We saw that

0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of you know, the rumble and the jungle style

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:47.279
<v Speaker 1>sort of boxing UFC style. Trump is back and he's

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 1>the guy who wins. What what did you think we

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 1>saw today?

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:54.719
<v Speaker 9>It wasn't a good day for Trump. Look, this is

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:56.279
<v Speaker 9>how you got to look at you got You've got

0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:59.839
<v Speaker 9>to look at the American election this way only if

0:45:59.880 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 9>you I've been watching Fox News in America, Sky News

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.239
<v Speaker 9>in Australia. As we said a few weeks ago, you

0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:06.720
<v Speaker 9>knew three years ago that Joe Biden had early stage

0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:10.800
<v Speaker 9>dementia dementia. If you're watching the other networks in America,

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:13.160
<v Speaker 9>you only realized three weeks ago when the debate took place,

0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 9>that the guy's not the full quid. Fast forward today,

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:19.440
<v Speaker 9>most people have got no idea about Kamala Harris. They

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.439
<v Speaker 9>got no idea. I don't know anything about her, and

0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:24.440
<v Speaker 9>what they've seen in the last week is she seems

0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:26.719
<v Speaker 9>quite good. Oh, she's bouncy and foxy, and you know,

0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:29.279
<v Speaker 9>you've been a prosecutor and she's a vice president. They

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:31.520
<v Speaker 9>don't know much about her. So the bottom line is this,

0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 9>if Trump allows the election to be about her, she

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<v Speaker 9>loses and her extreme liberal agenda. I couldn't think any

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<v Speaker 9>of anyone less electable than a San Francisco born and

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<v Speaker 9>bred and raised in the San Francisco Barrier if she

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<v Speaker 9>was worked there for twenty years as a San Francisco

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<v Speaker 9>prosecutor from California, Biden's vice president, the most liberal senator

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<v Speaker 9>they've seen in the Senate for half a dozen years,

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<v Speaker 9>versus Donald Trump. That would be an extraordinary thing in

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<v Speaker 9>American politics, because the liberal San Francisco cannot get elected.

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<v Speaker 9>The only way she get elected is if Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 9>and you've got his number, mate ring him. You're a mate,

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<v Speaker 9>can you tell him? Don't make this election about you, Donald,

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<v Speaker 9>just get up and give you a stump speech about

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<v Speaker 9>her record, the borders, blah blah blah. If he does that,

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<v Speaker 9>he wins. If he allows the election to be about him,

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<v Speaker 9>he possibly loses well also, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Also potentially if he can pull it into authenticity versus

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<v Speaker 1>sort of political fakery. Then again, the kind of people

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<v Speaker 1>who generally roll a rise at political fakery. They start

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<v Speaker 1>to come his way, all right, winners and loses the week. Wonderful, Kristin,

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<v Speaker 1>who is your winner or a loser this week?

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<v Speaker 11>The winner of the week for me would probably be

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<v Speaker 11>Quantas Airline. They're definitely being able to kind of shift

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<v Speaker 11>that market, and the loser, unfortunately, is Rax Airline, which

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<v Speaker 11>Quantus has helped to put them in this position.

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<v Speaker 1>Allegedly. Indeed, Compass and Bonza and many others before all right, yes, Michael.

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<v Speaker 9>Winner of the week is the Israeli government and the

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<v Speaker 9>potential for peace in the Middle East sooner rather than later.

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<v Speaker 9>With the killing of two shocking butchers from hes Blah

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<v Speaker 9>and Hamas, and the news tonight that the Israelis Israelis

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<v Speaker 9>did kill mohammadif the number two man from Hamas bombing

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<v Speaker 9>in Gaza in July. On he leads mister Nails rala As,

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<v Speaker 9>the leader of Hezbla, who's sitting somewhere very quietly in Lebanon,

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<v Speaker 9>and Yea Sinwa, who's in the Gaza strip in a

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<v Speaker 9>tunnel somewhere. They're the only two leaders left. After that,

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<v Speaker 9>the new government can basically say we won and start

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<v Speaker 9>the peace process. The lows of the week is your

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<v Speaker 9>friend Mark Kelly, the Senator from Yeah, he was on

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<v Speaker 9>his Arizona. He was on his way. Shapiro, because you

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<v Speaker 9>are you are correct, Kamala Harris will announce Josh Shapiro,

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<v Speaker 9>the governor of California, a government running mate for exactly

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<v Speaker 9>there is.

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<v Speaker 1>And you said, good stuff, Thank you, guys, have a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful weekend. Guy Yankee, you see you Sunday