WEBVTT - Sharri | 10 October

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<v Speaker 1>Why From Israel is a special edition of Sharing.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to my final show this week from Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>and first tonight to a world exclusive. Israeli Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>Benjamin Netanyahu has spoken exclusively to me about the war

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<v Speaker 2>he's fighting, the threat of Iran to Western civilization, and

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<v Speaker 2>his determination for the Saudi Arabia normalization deal to go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>I was privileged to spend more than forty five minutes

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<v Speaker 2>with NETANYAHUO yesterday afternoon in his Prime Ministerial offices in Jerusalem.

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<v Speaker 2>Our meeting was held just a few hours before the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister took a call with Joe Biden to discuss

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<v Speaker 2>the retaliation strike on Iran after it filed two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>missiles on Israel last week. Now, there were only three

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<v Speaker 2>of us in the room, the Prime Minister, his chief

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<v Speaker 2>of staff and me.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a.

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<v Speaker 2>Confidential conversation and an off the record briefing about the

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<v Speaker 2>war and where it goes from here. But the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister said that I can share with you three things

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<v Speaker 2>that he spoke about Nettna, who spoke strongly about the

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<v Speaker 2>threat of Iran. He said, the threat of Iran is

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<v Speaker 2>not only to Israel's survival but to the Middle East

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<v Speaker 2>and to Western civilization. He said that Israel is fighting

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<v Speaker 2>the broader war against terrorists who want to take us

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<v Speaker 2>all back to the dark ages, and with the war raging,

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<v Speaker 2>he spoke about the prospect.

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<v Speaker 3>Of peace he still hopes.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that the deal to normalize relations with Saudi

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<v Speaker 2>Arabia will go ahead. This deal was close to being

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<v Speaker 2>finalized in late twenty twenty three, and it's a key

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<v Speaker 2>reason why Iran, through its proxies Hamas and Hesbela, attacked.

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<v Speaker 3>Israel on October seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Nettiyah who told me he was not just hopeful, but

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<v Speaker 2>determined the Saudi deal would go ahead. The rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the meeting was confidential, but I can tell you some

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<v Speaker 2>of what I shared with Netanyahu during our meeting. I

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<v Speaker 2>told him how domestic politics was influencing foreign policy in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>I explained how Anthony Albanesi and Penny Wong's desperate desire

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<v Speaker 2>to appease Muslim voters in Sydney's marginal seats in the

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<v Speaker 2>West is behind many of the government's hostile.

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<v Speaker 3>Policies towards Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to him of the anger that many Australian

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<v Speaker 2>Jews feel towards the Albanesi government over its betrayal of

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<v Speaker 2>Israel at its time of need. I explained to Netanyaho

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<v Speaker 2>how the Albanesi government had fast tracked visas for nearly

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<v Speaker 2>three thousand Gazans without adequate security checks, and I said

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<v Speaker 2>this was a big political issue on the front page

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<v Speaker 2>of the papers. I also spoke to him about the

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<v Speaker 2>problem of anti Semitism that we're facing in Australia, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was only half joking when I told him that

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<v Speaker 2>I would probably be safer wearing my mug and David

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<v Speaker 2>my Star of David necklace on the border with Lebanon

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<v Speaker 2>than in parts of Sydney where jew hatred is open

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<v Speaker 2>and unabated. I also told him how Peter Dutton, the

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<v Speaker 2>opposition leader, had followed in the footsteps of former Australian

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<v Speaker 2>leaders in standing firm with Israel. Unlike every Israeli I've

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<v Speaker 2>met on this assignment. While Netanyahu is a strong wartime leader,

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<v Speaker 2>he is a wartime leader who is desperate for peace.

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<v Speaker 2>Israel does not want or desire war, but on October

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<v Speaker 2>seventh it was brutally thrust upon it by Hamas and

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<v Speaker 2>now by every terror group which wants to destroy it now.

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<v Speaker 2>For me personally and certainly as a journalist, this.

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<v Speaker 3>Was the meeting of a lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>It was extraordinary to be granted an in depth meeting

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<v Speaker 2>with the wartime leader when he's leading his nation.

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<v Speaker 3>In major battles.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine having the chance to sit down with Winston Churchill

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<v Speaker 2>during his fight against the Nazis.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's what this meeting was like.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister was strong and tough and very clear

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<v Speaker 2>in his vision, but also warm, engaging, open and interested.

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<v Speaker 2>He asked questions about Australia, about my family, even who

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<v Speaker 2>was looking after my children while I was in Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>It's highly unusual for a journalist to be invited into

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<v Speaker 2>the very heart of his prime ministerial operations and to

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<v Speaker 2>be given so much time.

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell you that the criticism.

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<v Speaker 2>From Washington that Netanyahu doesn't have a plan or that

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't know what he's doing in this war is

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<v Speaker 2>utterly wrong. After speaking with him at length, he does

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<v Speaker 2>have a clear strategy for the war, and.

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<v Speaker 3>He outlined it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's obvious his motive is the survival of the Jewish state,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's also fighting the terrorists and Iran to protect

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<v Speaker 2>the world from dark forces and Netinya, who's success in

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<v Speaker 2>not just weakening but smashing Iran's main proxy groups has

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<v Speaker 2>been astonishing. As I've said before, incredible military feats. The

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<v Speaker 2>pager and the walkie talkie attacks were the most sophisticated

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<v Speaker 2>and targeted strikes of our time. Nettnaho also ended Hassan

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<v Speaker 2>Nasralla's thirty two year reign by ordering his execution in

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<v Speaker 2>a Bea route bunker. At the moment he was executed, Netina,

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<v Speaker 2>who was speaking at the United Nations, It's possible the

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<v Speaker 2>last thing the terror leader saw on this earth was

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<v Speaker 2>his arch enemy speaking. And all that remains of Hamas

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<v Speaker 2>is its leader Yaya Sinhwa, who is too scared to

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<v Speaker 2>emerge after watching virtually every other senior terror figure be

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<v Speaker 2>executed in cunning moves by Israel. Natiya, who has taken

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<v Speaker 2>on the terrorists all the while facing incredible international pressure

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<v Speaker 2>from weak woke leaders. As you know, I often speak

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<v Speaker 2>about the weak international leadership that demands a cease fire

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel even though there are still one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>one hostages, even when hundreds of rockets are being fired

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<v Speaker 2>at Israel, and even when terrorists remain on the doorstep.

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<v Speaker 2>If Natiya who would have listened to the international community,

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<v Speaker 2>including US President Joe Biden, and how to cease fire,

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<v Speaker 2>both Hermas and Hezbla would still pose a major.

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<v Speaker 3>Threat to Israel. Instead, they're all but destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>And speaking of Biden, just a few hours after my

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<v Speaker 2>meeting with Netanyahu, he and the US President spoke on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone for an hour. Kamala Harris joined the call.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see here a photograph of Nettunjahoo surrounded by

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<v Speaker 2>his advisers during that call.

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<v Speaker 3>It was their first call in nearly fifty days, and.

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<v Speaker 2>They discussed the response to Iran's ballistic missile attack last week.

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<v Speaker 2>The White House described the call as direct and productive

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<v Speaker 2>and said that Biden had affirmed his ironclad commitment to

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<v Speaker 2>Israel's security and rite to defend itself. Nettina Who's office

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<v Speaker 2>said the call was conducted in a positive spirit. The

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<v Speaker 2>upcoming US election will undoubtedly influence Biden's position on how

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<v Speaker 2>Israel should respond to Iran.

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<v Speaker 3>For Nettayaho, his wartime.

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<v Speaker 2>Leadership has seen a resurgence in his support in Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the polls, his popularity is now on the

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<v Speaker 2>rise after it sank in the immediate aftermath of October seven,

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<v Speaker 2>Poland conducted by direct polls shows Nettiya, who now leads

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<v Speaker 2>his two closest rivals, Betty Gance and opposition leader Lapid

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<v Speaker 2>by thirty points. Colonel Richard camp who's been living in

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<v Speaker 2>Israel for the past year, he explained this on My

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<v Speaker 2>show last night, as did veteran of the Prime Minister's Office,

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<v Speaker 2>Danny Seaman.

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<v Speaker 4>He's an extremely strong leader. He's been criticized and vilified

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<v Speaker 4>around the world by other leaders, including President Biden, but

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<v Speaker 4>everything he's done has shown to be right and proved

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<v Speaker 4>to be right.

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<v Speaker 5>He's also a leader in the eyes of Israelis of

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<v Speaker 5>international standing, once in a generation leader.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an assessment Australia's Foreign Minister Former Foreign Minister Alexander

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<v Speaker 2>Downer has also made. He wrote that Netto who has

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<v Speaker 2>been a hate figure for the center left and fire left.

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<v Speaker 2>He writes, of course he has domestic scandals and issues

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with, but his political skill and courage over

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<v Speaker 2>the past year make him.

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<v Speaker 3>A standout leader.

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<v Speaker 2>Downa says, as he watched his speech to the UN

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<v Speaker 2>General Assembly, I thought he stood head and shoulders above

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<v Speaker 2>the hesitant drivel and pole driven cliches of Western ministers

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<v Speaker 2>and leaders, and Alexander Downa writes that if Nettayaho had

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<v Speaker 2>listened to the demands of Biden and kir Starmer, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as the bleeting Australian government, Hermas would.

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<v Speaker 3>Still be operating, as would Hesbla. Downa says, what is.

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<v Speaker 2>So admirable about Netanyahu is that he defied Biden and

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<v Speaker 2>European leaders and did what he thought was in the

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<v Speaker 2>best interest of his country security, not Western politics.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was the strength I saw in person when

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<v Speaker 3>I met Nettiyaho yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see in the photograph he has a large

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<v Speaker 2>map of Africa, the Middle East, Europe and Eastern Europe

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<v Speaker 2>in his office. It's a constant reminder of just how

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<v Speaker 2>tiny the.

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<v Speaker 3>Jewish state is.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen that Nettiya, who is not going to ask

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<v Speaker 2>permission from weakned international leaders to defend his citizens and

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<v Speaker 2>inshore Israel's survival. The future of the single Jewish homeland

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<v Speaker 2>in the world now rests squarely on his shoulders. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's why any day now we're expecting Israel to take

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<v Speaker 2>on Iran and not let the evil Aotolas live out

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<v Speaker 2>their dream to destroy Israel, and not just Israel, but

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<v Speaker 2>all of us in the West. Now, this next story

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<v Speaker 2>is incredible. A young woman is about to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>what it was like after she was taken hostage in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>Elana Gritzuski was kidnapped by her mass from Kibbutz near

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<v Speaker 2>Us on October seventh, along with her boyfriend Matan, who

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<v Speaker 2>sadly is.

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<v Speaker 3>Still being held hostage.

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<v Speaker 2>Elana details the brutality of her mass and how she

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<v Speaker 2>was deliberately starved, losing eleven kilograms.

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<v Speaker 3>Now a warning, this is confronting.

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<v Speaker 6>So I picked my dog and I I ran to

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<v Speaker 6>the safe room that is our bethroom.

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<v Speaker 7>I wake up in Madame.

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<v Speaker 6>I wake up a showered to him and wake up.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a lot of alarms. There is no.

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<v Speaker 6>Regular talk to your mom and your sister because also

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<v Speaker 6>more fucking there is alarms. A few minutes later, we

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<v Speaker 6>start listening shootings, a many voices in Arabic, and I

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<v Speaker 6>still saw that they in the group of the keyboods.

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<v Speaker 6>They tell that they are our house, our house, our house.

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<v Speaker 6>So I was in the seat holding the dog so

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<v Speaker 6>he makes no noises, and Madame was holding the door

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<v Speaker 6>so they can open it. But they started shooting. So

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<v Speaker 6>they opened the door, but Mattan threw it all the

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<v Speaker 6>things that he found close again after he showed me

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<v Speaker 6>open the window, see there is nothing and jump. I

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<v Speaker 6>go after you slowly, slowly, hey, I hear the terrorists

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<v Speaker 6>someone they in charge of him pulled me from the

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<v Speaker 6>from the hair again and take me to the motorcycle.

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<v Speaker 6>Terrorists in front of me, other terrorists behind me. They

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<v Speaker 6>he mean so hard that they broke my hips and

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<v Speaker 6>they put me like a blank in the nylon's lank

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<v Speaker 6>on the heads. I can see nothing all the way

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<v Speaker 6>they kicked me, they touched me. In that moment, I

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<v Speaker 6>didn't know what is going to happen to me, that

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going to be raped, IM gonna be kidnapped in

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<v Speaker 6>my gonna be killing.

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<v Speaker 3>Miriam.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you as a mother coy knowing that your

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<v Speaker 2>daughter was in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very emotional. I'm a person of it.

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<v Speaker 8>So since the first since the day one, what my

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<v Speaker 8>friends start praying and they in brain chains. So I said,

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<v Speaker 8>the only thing I can do is pray for her.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, do you remember waking up? After that?

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<v Speaker 6>They wake me up with the with the perfumed and

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<v Speaker 6>the nose, keep me on the face and throw me water.

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<v Speaker 6>And they put me from the her again so I

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<v Speaker 6>can wake up from the floor. And they threw me

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<v Speaker 6>the skirt and a hijab and they took me in

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<v Speaker 6>the in a car with a lot of terrorists and

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<v Speaker 6>make me away from the next stop. We through to

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<v Speaker 6>the street of Helene. They told me, welcome to Alsa,

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<v Speaker 6>to your new life.

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<v Speaker 1>We stay at nine Mothers. Please.

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<v Speaker 8>She has a very very big, huge a tree and

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<v Speaker 8>I all the tree that day and they said, learn,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm hugging you, feel me, okay, feel me, and with you,

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<v Speaker 8>nothing is going to happen.

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<v Speaker 7>So after that you had your first night in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, in the department when.

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<v Speaker 7>I arrived, that's one that they.

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<v Speaker 3>Stay were in me.

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<v Speaker 6>That told me that they are beautiful, that I ain't

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<v Speaker 6>going to stay in USA also in this deal, and

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<v Speaker 6>and I am not going to go out that he

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<v Speaker 6>and me.

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<v Speaker 7>I am going to marry it and be chilled and bring children.

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<v Speaker 2>So they told you you were going to get married

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<v Speaker 2>and have children.

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<v Speaker 7>So that's that's threatening to rape you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Miriam, how painful was it not knowing what was

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<v Speaker 2>happening to Alana while she was in captivity.

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<v Speaker 8>I cannot describe the pain. It's something you do not

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<v Speaker 8>deserve to anyone. It's like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Horror movie, know that when they tell you that it's

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<v Speaker 1>kidnapped by a.

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<v Speaker 6>Mass We also sleep on the floor with h blank

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<v Speaker 6>like this. There are a lot of insects and dirty

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<v Speaker 6>in all the house.

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<v Speaker 8>And.

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<v Speaker 6>Water like a half of litter. I lost the eleven

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<v Speaker 6>kilo fifty five days. And then the terrorists in front

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<v Speaker 6>turned around to us and told us in inebrio, you

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<v Speaker 6>are not going to home.

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<v Speaker 7>We are taking you to the tunnels. They must have

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<v Speaker 7>been so weak.

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<v Speaker 6>I weak. I have no shoes, so my feets were

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<v Speaker 6>with blood. I can breathe because there was no osygen.

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<v Speaker 8>My success that he was just playing to things, that

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<v Speaker 8>she was safe and a life, or it was better

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<v Speaker 8>not to suffer her and be better. So I told

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<v Speaker 8>him I know she's alive. I know because I feel her.

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<v Speaker 8>My cell phone brings and they said medium Ilana said

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<v Speaker 8>that list, so I said, please repeat it.

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<v Speaker 1>Medium Illinis on the list, So we.

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<v Speaker 7>That was a post. The list meant she was going

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<v Speaker 7>to be released.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, So I wake up, my son, I wake up,

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<v Speaker 8>and I told everybody Illan is going.

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<v Speaker 1>To be released.

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<v Speaker 6>My only believe that I go now when I see

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<v Speaker 6>the the.

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<v Speaker 2>Red the Red Cross, the Red Cross, And what was

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<v Speaker 2>that feeling when you saw the Red Cross?

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<v Speaker 6>The feeling was that my body is safely, but my

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<v Speaker 6>soul is going to stay in the tunnels.

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<v Speaker 2>Take me to the moment when you finally got to

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<v Speaker 2>wrap her in your arms in the hospital, when she

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<v Speaker 2>was free.

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<v Speaker 7>Listen and I.

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<v Speaker 8>Were right through the hospital and we hope we cheese

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<v Speaker 8>would try. I bless her, I thank God because she

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<v Speaker 8>made the miracle.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got beautiful photographs of the ton all around your apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>But how does it feel knowing he is still in

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<v Speaker 2>the tunnels after one year?

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<v Speaker 6>It's difficult with the empty bed and wake up and

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<v Speaker 6>it's the same nightmare. It's continual, But I wake up

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<v Speaker 6>strong because if the hostage can survive a you're there

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<v Speaker 6>and fighting for her life as I need to come

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<v Speaker 6>to wake up all morning to still fighting for them

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<v Speaker 6>so they come home, so they can come home.

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<v Speaker 7>Where does your dough get her strength from.

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<v Speaker 1>She's very agian and she will after this.

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<v Speaker 8>I know she will fight any fight, anything she has

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<v Speaker 8>in front of her, She's.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to do it.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm very proud of her, and that's it that she.

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<v Speaker 2>She's amazing, such a beautiful family, and I just love

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<v Speaker 2>spending time with them, so brave with Alana to tell

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<v Speaker 2>us her story. Really amazing young woman. Now being here

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<v Speaker 2>in Jerusalem. Israelis a flamixed by suggestion that there should

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<v Speaker 2>be a ceasefire when terrorist fire rockets every day and

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<v Speaker 2>there are steelers. We've just been hearing one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>one hostages in Gaza. I discussed this earlier with the

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<v Speaker 2>spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Israel, Iron Mamostin.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a look.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you so much for your time, really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've just met with the Israeli Prime Minister, benjaminette Yahu,

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<v Speaker 2>and he made the point that this war isn't just

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<v Speaker 2>about fighting for Israel's survival, but for the Middle East

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<v Speaker 2>and Western civilization. Do you think the international community has

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<v Speaker 2>failed to grasp just the significance of this.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the Prime Minister is absolutely right, and I

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<v Speaker 5>think perhaps answering your question about the international community, respond,

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's important with all the news pouring in

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<v Speaker 5>to remind us or why are we at this point

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<v Speaker 5>in time? We never wanted this war. This war was

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<v Speaker 5>forced upon us on October seventh, completely unprovoked. Hamas launch

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<v Speaker 5>the biggest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. Nearly twelve

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<v Speaker 5>hundred people were slaughtered, women were raped, families were burned alive.

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<v Speaker 5>So perhaps international community Western audience have forgotten. We don't

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<v Speaker 5>have the luxury to forget.

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<v Speaker 7>So many people have been affected here exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost everyone knows someone who has taken hostage or murdered,

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<v Speaker 2>or even now injured or killed in battle.

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<v Speaker 5>The stories are everywhere, but it's not only the stories

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<v Speaker 5>that happen on October seven. It's making sure that those

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<v Speaker 5>stories won't repeat themselves. We're fighting with one cause to

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<v Speaker 5>make sure that October seventh massacre won't happen again and

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<v Speaker 5>to bring our hostages back home.

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<v Speaker 2>There are reports that the hostages are being used by

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<v Speaker 2>ya Ya Sinoa as a form of protection human shields.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the plan to get the hostages to bring

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<v Speaker 2>them home? A year on from October seven.

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<v Speaker 5>So there are three objectives to this war. The first

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<v Speaker 5>one is to remove the threat. Like I said, to

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<v Speaker 5>make sure that Hamas has no military and governmental capabilities

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<v Speaker 5>to repeat this massacre. The second objective is to make

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<v Speaker 5>sure those hostages are back home. And the third objective

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<v Speaker 5>is to make sure that the civilians, the people living

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<v Speaker 5>in the northern part of Israel, can go back to

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<v Speaker 5>their home. And the plan is to put as much

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<v Speaker 5>as pressure on Hamas to make sure that there is

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<v Speaker 5>no ceasefire without the release of hostages.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, turning to Hasbela, we have seen incredible success by

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<v Speaker 2>Israel in dismantling the Hasbela leadership.

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<v Speaker 7>Can you do the same in Gaza with Sinowa?

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<v Speaker 5>You know you mentioned his Bala. And again this is

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<v Speaker 5>important because sometimes people are asking why now Lebanon, Why

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<v Speaker 5>now Chris Bala. Again, it's important to remember why we're

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<v Speaker 5>here at this point in time. On October eighth, just

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<v Speaker 5>a day after the massacre, again completely unprovoked, His Bala

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<v Speaker 5>attacked Israel with thousands of rockets. Doesn't Israelise were killed,

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<v Speaker 5>were murdered by Isabella, including twelve children who were murdered

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<v Speaker 5>while they were playing soccer, and sixty thousand Israelis were

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<v Speaker 5>forced to be evacuated from their homes. So we're doing

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<v Speaker 5>what every country would do for its people. We're trying

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<v Speaker 5>to protect the Sevinians, We're trying to protect the families.

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<v Speaker 2>In your role, you'd come across a lot of international

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<v Speaker 2>journalists and media outlets. Do you have a comment on

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<v Speaker 2>the extent of the anti Israel bias that we see

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<v Speaker 2>in the mainstream press narrative.

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<v Speaker 5>I think sometimes when it comes to the media, there

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<v Speaker 5>is a tendency to have a very short memory, just

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<v Speaker 5>to look at what's happening right now and not to

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<v Speaker 5>look at the big picture. And the big picture for

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<v Speaker 5>us israelis is the day to day picture is that

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<v Speaker 5>we are being attacked and we're trying to protect our families.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me be personal for a second, Like I said,

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<v Speaker 5>I have two daughters, one in the age of eleven

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<v Speaker 5>and the other is in the age of eight. Last

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<v Speaker 5>week they were rushed into shelter because Iran, which of

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<v Speaker 5>course is masterminding this attack of Ramas of Rizbala and

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<v Speaker 5>directly attacking Israel, launched more than one hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 5>ballistic missiles on Israel. Think of of Canberra being attacked

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<v Speaker 5>with more than one hundred eight missiles incomprehensible, truly. So

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<v Speaker 5>you know, at the end of the day, there are

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<v Speaker 5>people in the story, and this is what we're trying

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<v Speaker 5>to do. We're trying to live peaceful life. We didn't

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<v Speaker 5>want this war, but now that it is forced on us,

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<v Speaker 5>we are forced to it because we don't have another

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<v Speaker 5>earlier choice. And this is, by the way, the reason

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<v Speaker 5>why we'll win, because there is no other choice for

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<v Speaker 5>the people in Israel. If we'll lose, we'll die.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no room for failure. I really appreciate your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Jennie, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Still plenty more to come, and dawning allegations against Deputy

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister Richard Miles from one of the government's most

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<v Speaker 2>senior female advisors. I'll discuss that with my panel back

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia shortly. Plus the truth about Hermas's rape and

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<v Speaker 2>sexual violence against young women and why the world wants

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<v Speaker 2>to deny it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's after this quick break. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>From the minute the world began to learn of the

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<v Speaker 2>tragic events on October seven, there were horrific stories of

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<v Speaker 2>women being raped, sexually assaulted, and even violently mutilated by Hermas.

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<v Speaker 2>These were reports that came from people on the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've spoken to several of these witnesses myself, Yet

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<v Speaker 2>no one took the account seriously until the UN Special

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Representative on Sexual Violence and Conflict confirmed there was reasonable

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:18.440
<v Speaker 2>ground to believe that Hermas terrorists use sexual violence during

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:24.160
<v Speaker 2>the brutal attack. Yet even so many so called feminists,

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:29.240
<v Speaker 2>fraudulent feminists, and international women's organizations have remained all but

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 2>silent on this awful reality. Well, one incredible woman who

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 2>hasn't stayed silent is co founder of the Dina project,

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<v Speaker 2>Ayelet Rasenbetto, and she joins me, now, ayele It, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much for your time here in Jerusalem.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanking from being here.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, can you tell us some of the evidence and

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<v Speaker 2>tell Australians who might not have heard this from any

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 2>of the women's groups.

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<v Speaker 3>What did we see? What rape and sexual violence? What

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<v Speaker 3>was the extent of it?

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<v Speaker 9>By her mus Well, First of all, I'll say we'll

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<v Speaker 9>probably never know the full extent because part of the

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:11.159
<v Speaker 9>systematical brutal attack, after the rapes and the mutilation and

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 9>the abuse, was to murder and also burn the victims.

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<v Speaker 9>We can see this mo in different scenes across the

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 9>gaza envelope where the attack was held, So we'll probably.

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<v Speaker 3>Never know what really happened.

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<v Speaker 9>The scope of what really happened, I will.

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<v Speaker 3>Say, though, that what we do see.

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<v Speaker 9>Again in the four different main scenes, the army bases,

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<v Speaker 9>the kibusin the Nova party and the two three two

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<v Speaker 9>road are. First of all, we have survivors and eyewitnesses

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 9>to rapes and gang rapes very brutal. Many of the

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 9>victims have been shot during the during the rape, and

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<v Speaker 9>the apes continued after the victim was dead. We see

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<v Speaker 9>footage of mutilation of gender that's gender based violence, of

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 9>violence that's aimed at the sexuality at the when.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about mutilation, we're talking about mutilation of female

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<v Speaker 2>sexual orchards.

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 9>And male Also we see cutting of breasts, shooting at

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<v Speaker 9>the pelvic area.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh.

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<v Speaker 9>We see footage from bodies that were brought to Gaza

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<v Speaker 9>of jumping on the pelvis, on the buttocks, touching, spitting

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 9>at again everything this violence is aimed at the sexuality

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 9>and the genitals of a person, men and female.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also a lot of photographs of women, in particular

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<v Speaker 2>I'm being stripped, stripped naked. These are by naked and

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<v Speaker 2>then paraded around.

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<v Speaker 9>By her mus We call this the talking bodies. Bodies

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 9>that really either taken and maybe some of them are

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 9>still not. Maybe some of them are still being held

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<v Speaker 9>in Gaza, and some of them were found on ground

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:14.480
<v Speaker 9>uh uh, stripped, naked fully or partially bodies abuse again

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<v Speaker 9>to the sexuality of the person gagged, tiede bound, tied,

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 9>no wonder where Bloody pelvises. Yes, And again what's really

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 9>important for me to stress is that you see this

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<v Speaker 9>in the four main scenes of the attack, and when

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 9>you see this, I'm I'm a legal professional. When you

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 9>see this in different scenes, you can understand that this

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 9>is a pattern. And if it's a pattern, it's free meditated.

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 9>It's not some especially brutal unit that got to the Nova,

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 9>because you see this in the different scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>But before we came on air, I let you were

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<v Speaker 2>showing me some of the truly graphic and far too

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 2>graphic to broadcast image of women who their bodies, who

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 2>had been completely burt to these or corpses.

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<v Speaker 3>But you could see the signs, as you.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, of them being gagged or mutilation and their legs

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>left open.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just so horrific.

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 2>And when you've got that sort of evidence, what do

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 2>you say about all of the women's organizations who have

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 2>mostly been silent, maybe a bare statement, but certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>campaigning against this defin.

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<v Speaker 9>Now I'll say this, I'm heartbroken.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel betrayed.

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<v Speaker 9>I come myself a professional feminist. All my life, I've

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<v Speaker 9>been protesting for women. I truly believe and still believe.

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<v Speaker 9>I didn't change the rules on feminism.

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<v Speaker 1>Truly believe that.

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<v Speaker 3>This solidarity right.

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<v Speaker 9>Did the Me Too protest show us that this happens

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<v Speaker 9>everywhere in every you know, every everywhere in the world,

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<v Speaker 9>and every economical status everywhere, and when it happens to women,

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<v Speaker 9>to Jewish women israelly women.

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<v Speaker 3>Suddenly we need the golden evidence.

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<v Speaker 9>Suddenly there's denials, Suddenly there's a reducement of the claims.

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<v Speaker 9>Did anyone questions the claims of the Yazdi women or

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<v Speaker 9>the Ukrainian women? No, because we believe, because we know

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<v Speaker 9>this goes as far as Bible days, the sexual terror,

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<v Speaker 9>sexual using the bodies of women as ours.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it goes back to the Bible.

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<v Speaker 9>We called ourselves the Dina Project because Dina is the

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<v Speaker 9>daughter of Jacob and Leah who was abducted and.

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<v Speaker 3>Raped the biblical character.

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<v Speaker 9>Why is it so hard to believe that it happened

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<v Speaker 9>here in Israel? There's no explanation because except plain old

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<v Speaker 9>good anti semitismism.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what it is that the left wing Jewish groups, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>the left wing feminist groups, so called feminist groups, do

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<v Speaker 2>not care about Israeli women being raped.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's just a matter. And that includes all of

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<v Speaker 3>the UN bodies as well. It's disgraceful. Well, good on you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having the strength to speak out about

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 2>such a difficult topic day in day out and sharing

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<v Speaker 2>the presentation with the graphic images. You're doing such important

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>work and the world needs to wake up.

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you, I elitt thank you for giving this a stage.

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<v Speaker 7>Course of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Now after the break, Anthony Alberinezi slammed over his chronic

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<v Speaker 2>mismanagement of foreign policy. Plus Richard Miles, chief of staff,

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<v Speaker 2>comes out in an emotional press conference accusing his office

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<v Speaker 2>of bullying My panel back home will join me next.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're just tuning in, I'm here in beautiful Jerusalem,

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<v Speaker 2>but joining me back home in Australia is National Senate

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<v Speaker 2>leader Bridget Mackenzie and Liberal Senator Holly Hughes.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to you both well.

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<v Speaker 2>Explosive revelations today in the Guardian from the Deputy Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister's chief of staff.

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<v Speaker 3>She's made damning allegations of bullying.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Tanaski claims she's been effectively barred from her office

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<v Speaker 2>and has been shunned by Richard Miles for five months

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<v Speaker 2>ever since she complained about colleagues undermining her. Here she

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<v Speaker 2>was at an emotional press conference earlier today.

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<v Speaker 10>I have been plagued with nightmares, flashbacks, symptoms of depression

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 10>and anxiety, panic attacks and suicidal thoughts. I am being

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<v Speaker 10>bullied out of a job. I loved that I was

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<v Speaker 10>doing well. It was a job that I dreamed of

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<v Speaker 10>having since I first visited Parliament House as a child.

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<v Speaker 2>Bridget this is a senior staff member in the Albanezi government.

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<v Speaker 3>Quite shocking allegations there.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, absolutely, and as she made mention in her comments,

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<v Speaker 11>for women to get to the very highest of roles

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<v Speaker 11>in this buildings quite difficult, and she's at the moment

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<v Speaker 11>the most senior female chief of staff in the government. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 11>everybody deserves a safe and respectful workplace. We know that

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<v Speaker 11>the PWSs has come into force and I'm assuming these

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<v Speaker 11>allegations will be forwarded to that body as soon as possible,

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<v Speaker 11>if they haven't already.

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<v Speaker 2>Holly, what sort of response do you think we should

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<v Speaker 2>be seeing from the Deputy Prime Minister here.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I guess, Shari.

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<v Speaker 12>One of the concerns that I have, and I think

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<v Speaker 12>one of the most difficult things to listen to when

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<v Speaker 12>that press conference was going on, was that the Miles's

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<v Speaker 12>chiefs for staff she had got a phone call asking

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<v Speaker 12>for the code to the safe in her office which

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<v Speaker 12>contained national security documents that she was responsible for. Now,

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<v Speaker 12>she's done the right thing in my view, at least

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<v Speaker 12>of not providing that code, But the fact that whichever

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<v Speaker 12>staff in the Deputy Prime Minister's office, in the Defense

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<v Speaker 12>Minister's office was making that phone call, that they didn't

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<v Speaker 12>have the awareness that those documents that were of national

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<v Speaker 12>security importance, that were classified documents that unbeknownst to her,

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<v Speaker 12>if she'd have handed that quote over, could have been

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<v Speaker 12>opened by anyone and available to anyone. I think that

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<v Speaker 12>is something that certainly needs to be responded to by

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<v Speaker 12>the Deputy Prime Minister and most likely the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sure we'll keep on this as the days progress.

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<v Speaker 2>Now concerning reports in the Daily Telegraph today that the

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<v Speaker 2>nation's e Safety Commissioner has found more than one point

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<v Speaker 2>three million Australian children under the age of thirteen are

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<v Speaker 2>already active.

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<v Speaker 3>On social media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is completely flouting the current existing age restrictions. Bridget

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the social media companies say they've got age restrictions,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're clearly not working at all.

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<v Speaker 11>Absolutely Sharhi, I think it's really tough environment, not just

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<v Speaker 11>for young people who are subject to a whole lot

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<v Speaker 11>of negative influences on social media, but parents who are

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<v Speaker 11>trying to keep their children safe, and for platforms to

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<v Speaker 11>say they have an age restriction and they're not in

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<v Speaker 11>any way ask for verification of age really just allows

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<v Speaker 11>these platforms to be open to abuse. So we've been

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<v Speaker 11>calling for a long time for age verification to be

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<v Speaker 11>part of our regulatory environment here. There is debate about

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<v Speaker 11>how young we set that, but at the very least

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<v Speaker 11>we should be making sure we do everything we can

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<v Speaker 11>to protect young people. And it was fascinating to see

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<v Speaker 11>two premiers out to labor, premiers from the right wing

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<v Speaker 11>malanowskis Amns promoting the fact we need to keep our

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<v Speaker 11>children safe online. The Coalition federally has been promoting that

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<v Speaker 11>for a long time. It'd be great to see federal

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<v Speaker 11>labor catch up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a big generational shift, though, Holly,

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<v Speaker 2>to have to see parents try and get their kids

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<v Speaker 2>offline when there's already one point three million children under

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<v Speaker 2>the age of thirteen. Now we're talking about raising the

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<v Speaker 2>age restrictions to fourteen or sixteen. So this is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a big cultural change that families are going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to try and adjust to.

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<v Speaker 12>Absolutely it is, and I've been reading The Anxious Generation

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<v Speaker 12>by Jonathan Hayde, which ties the introduction of smartphones to

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<v Speaker 12>an increase in anxiety and depression, particularly around young girls,

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<v Speaker 12>but across this new generation that have grown up with smartphones.

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<v Speaker 12>I do think whilst there is an obligation on the

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<v Speaker 12>social media giants to make sure that there is age verification,

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<v Speaker 12>I do think that there are things that parents can do.

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<v Speaker 12>You know, if your kid needs to have a phone,

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<v Speaker 12>that's great, but maybe not a smartphone because we know

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<v Speaker 12>some of the bullying that goes on online and the

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<v Speaker 12>reason it continues both in and outside of the school

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<v Speaker 12>yard is because it's constantly available on the phone.

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<v Speaker 3>So perhaps if we.

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<v Speaker 12>Saw kids go back to maybe the old I don't know,

0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 12>was it Nokia three ten or something that we had

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 12>that the game on it was snafe. You could send

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<v Speaker 12>a text message and receive a phone call about keeping

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.920
<v Speaker 12>kids safe. And maybe it is parents at schools coming

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<v Speaker 12>together and say that's it. We're not allowing kids to

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<v Speaker 12>have smartphones until they're sixteen or fourteen, and parents get together,

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<v Speaker 12>so you're not having the peer pressure within the classroom

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<v Speaker 12>at the schools. So it's not just about government intervention.

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<v Speaker 12>I do think it's time that parents start to take

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<v Speaker 12>some responsibility here and say, you know what, you are

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<v Speaker 12>too young to have access to this technology twenty four seven,

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<v Speaker 12>and we're going to do something about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Charie.

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<v Speaker 11>It's not just about bullying et ceter that comes online.

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<v Speaker 11>We've got young men in particular being exposed to, you know,

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<v Speaker 11>pornography like you know Penthouse and Layboy, which was the

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<v Speaker 11>dajuur in the seventies and eighties when I grew up.

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<v Speaker 3>It is just so explicit. It is violent, is.

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<v Speaker 11>Violent, and it is contributing to the treatment of young women.

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<v Speaker 11>And if we really want to see this generation of

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:05.719
<v Speaker 11>young people grow up as happy and healthy and well

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:09.319
<v Speaker 11>adjusted adults, we need to stop filling their minds with

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<v Speaker 11>such negative and atrocious material.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well said okay, we'll just quickly to end.

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<v Speaker 2>In a huge insult to Albanesi, John Howard has accused

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<v Speaker 2>him of chronic mismanagement of foreign policy and compared it

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<v Speaker 2>to even Mark Latham.

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<v Speaker 3>Back in two thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>And four, The Australian reporting that the former Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>said that Labor doesn't really have a significant grasp on

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<v Speaker 2>the nuancewers of foreign policy in the Middle East. The

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<v Speaker 2>government can't even make its mind up about what to

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<v Speaker 2>do over Gaza and Lebanon Holly. These accusations from John

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<v Speaker 2>Howard are utterly one hundred percent correct.

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<v Speaker 12>Absolutely they're correct, and I think we can all be

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<v Speaker 12>grateful that Mark Latham never got the keys to the lodge.

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<v Speaker 12>Unfortunately Albanesi did. His incompetence is on display every single day.

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<v Speaker 12>We saw with his Turettes outburst this week the quality

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 12>of his character, and I think we're seeing that it's

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<v Speaker 12>found very wanting. But his position on Israel has consistently

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:13.719
<v Speaker 12>shown he's trying to talk out of both sides of

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 12>his mouth. He doesn't know how to stand up for

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:19.040
<v Speaker 12>our friends and allies, and he's too busy trying to

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 12>play undergraduate politics and appease certain members of his party.

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<v Speaker 12>He is absolutely not up to this job. He's not

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<v Speaker 12>up to this job on foreign affairs. He's not up

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<v Speaker 12>to this job on domestic issues either.

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<v Speaker 3>Bridget twenty seconds.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, you know today this week we came together for

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<v Speaker 11>October the seventh, the world said generations ago, never again.

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:46.360
<v Speaker 11>The Holocaust didn't start with gas chambers and Jews in

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<v Speaker 11>cattle trucks. It started with protests, it started with hate speech,

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:54.240
<v Speaker 11>and it started with antisemitism being normalized. In the last

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:59.080
<v Speaker 11>twelve months, we've seen anti Semitism being normalized in our suburbs,

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:04.400
<v Speaker 11>Jewish businesses, academics and students being attacked, and most recent

0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:07.759
<v Speaker 11>was reported today. It's time for all of us, not

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 11>just Anthony alberneath it, but all of us to stand

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.839
<v Speaker 11>up and be counted when our community needs us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we're so grateful for the support of both

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 2>of you, strong women, Bridget Mackenzie, Holly Hughes, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much for joining me. Now coming up, how Penny

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:25.959
<v Speaker 2>Wang has given eighty two million dollars to Gaza while

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Jews around the world have to fund donations to Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus my reflections on this significant week of reporting in Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>That's after this quick break, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 13>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Penny Wong has given eighty two million dollars in taxpayer

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:48.840
<v Speaker 2>funds to Gaza and the Palestinian territories since the October

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:52.560
<v Speaker 2>seven terror attacks against Israel. Yet it's been up to

0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Jewish communities around the world to raise funds to give

0:42:56.200 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 2>personal donations to Israelis affected by this war on October

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 2>seven and six.

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<v Speaker 3>We're joining me now.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the world chairman of UIA, that's the United Israel Appeal,

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Sam Grundwerk.

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<v Speaker 3>Sam, thank you very much for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are donations needed in Israel and who do they support?

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<v Speaker 13>So UIA United Israel Appeal. We've been around for over

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:23.879
<v Speaker 13>one hundred years as one of the founding national institutions

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 13>of the State of Israel and Australia and the communities

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:30.880
<v Speaker 13>across Australia, the great Jewish communities but also our Christian

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 13>friends of Israel have always supported Israel, but especially now

0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 13>in the last year, since October seventh, the needs are tremendous,

0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:44.840
<v Speaker 13>helping making, helping humanitarian, social relief. We help funds of

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:51.400
<v Speaker 13>victims of terror, the family members of those that were murdered, kidnapped, injured,

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 13>and we also are assisting the tens of thousands of

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:58.879
<v Speaker 13>families that are displaced from their homes. And you've seen

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 13>this yourself sharing the last week that you've been here.

0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:06.160
<v Speaker 13>When you talk about resilience and the mental trauma and

0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 13>the help that thousands and thousands, if not even greater,

0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:13.719
<v Speaker 13>we're talking about a nation in trauma, a bereaved nation.

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:19.200
<v Speaker 13>And so the communities across Australia have been unbelievable. There

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 13>are great Australians who are strong friends and supporters of Israel,

0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:27.440
<v Speaker 13>both the Jewish community and our Christian friends there.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know a lot of people forget that there

0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:33.799
<v Speaker 2>have been eighty thousand Israeli families displaced from.

0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:34.600
<v Speaker 3>The northern border.

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 2>The people in the Kibltzim all of their homes completely

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<v Speaker 2>burnt down. They've lost everything, which is why the donations

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<v Speaker 2>are so important.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. Stephen Lowie's part of your organization.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave a very powerful speech recently in Sydney where

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<v Speaker 2>he spoke about the anti Semitism that we're seeing.

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<v Speaker 3>He showed leadership in speaking publicly about this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what's your comment on this anti semitism that

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<v Speaker 2>spread well, Steve.

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<v Speaker 13>The Lowi and I work extremely closely together for the

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<v Speaker 13>last six years, and he's a great example of a

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<v Speaker 13>product of Australia and the opportunities that Australia has given

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<v Speaker 13>to the Jews that have come there, especially since World

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<v Speaker 13>War Two and the Holocaust. Stephen gave a critically important

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<v Speaker 13>speech about anti Semitism and the importance to standing up

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<v Speaker 13>against anti semitism, having the moral clarity to call out

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<v Speaker 13>what is singling out the Jews and having double standards,

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<v Speaker 13>and he made a very important point to say that

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<v Speaker 13>it always starts with the Jews, but it never ends

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<v Speaker 13>with the Jews. And so it's a very important message

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<v Speaker 13>from a leader, not just a Jewish leader, but a

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<v Speaker 13>leader in the business world who supports culture, medicine policy.

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<v Speaker 13>And so we've been we're working very close together and

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<v Speaker 13>fighting and standing out against anti Semitism is incredibly important.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's also important to mention that the oganization

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<v Speaker 2>Uia doesn't just help Jews, it helps all Israelis and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very multicultural society and a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>victims of October seven, actually not a lot, but some

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<v Speaker 2>of the victims actually weren't.

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<v Speaker 13>Jews absolutely, and a lot of the support also that

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<v Speaker 13>we do. I mentioned it's humanitarian for the civilians, for

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<v Speaker 13>our citizens. We also provide a lot to helping with

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<v Speaker 13>the medical care and the first responders. And like you say, Shari,

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<v Speaker 13>there's no distinction between We have almost ten million citizens

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<v Speaker 13>here in Israel and about two million or so are

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<v Speaker 13>not Jews, and there's no distinction. And we are there

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<v Speaker 13>to help the people of Israel and all of those

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<v Speaker 13>that are suffering and the connection. I'll give you just

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<v Speaker 13>an example. In a period of just twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 13>this week, I went to visit nine different homes of

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<v Speaker 13>bereaved families we call sitting shiva that are mourning their

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<v Speaker 13>loved ones. And when I go and introduce myself that

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<v Speaker 13>I'm from UIA, United Israel Appeal, and that I'm representing

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<v Speaker 13>the communities and our friends in Australia and in forty

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<v Speaker 13>five other countries around the world, and that I'm bringing

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<v Speaker 13>my condolences and to console them in the name of

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<v Speaker 13>all of those communities. So powerful, it really resonates, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>Sam Grundwerk, thank you very much for joining me.

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<v Speaker 13>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Now before we go, I'd like to share a final

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<v Speaker 2>reflection on the week that I've had here in Israel. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we've covered anguish and suffering and trauma. As you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've spoken with two former hostages, family members whose loved

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<v Speaker 2>ones were killed on October seven, and Israelis who are

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<v Speaker 2>still desperate to bring their loved ones home from the

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<v Speaker 2>tunnels in Gaza. We've had tears and grief and again

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<v Speaker 2>bewilderment that the international community doesn't stand with Israel in

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<v Speaker 2>its darkest hour as it tries to defeat the terrorists

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<v Speaker 2>who did all of this and would do it again

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<v Speaker 2>if left unchecked.

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<v Speaker 3>But what will stay with me the most is.

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<v Speaker 2>The warmth, the love, the solidarity, the strength, the friendships

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<v Speaker 2>forged here, the heartfelt connections made. I have felt the

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<v Speaker 2>strongest connections with almost everyone I've interviewed. Aviva Siegel, who

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<v Speaker 2>was trapped in guars and dungeons so small.

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<v Speaker 3>She could barely breathe.

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<v Speaker 2>Elana, who you heard tonight was starved during her time

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<v Speaker 2>in captivity, and the leaders fighting for our survival. We

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<v Speaker 2>all shared determination to survive, resilience, to rebuild, and hope

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<v Speaker 2>for a future where Israel can live in peace and

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<v Speaker 2>security with its neighbors, free from the constant threat of terror.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what the Prime Minister told me he's working to

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<v Speaker 2>was the number of homes that you see when you're

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<v Speaker 2>driving around Israel with the Israeli flag waving outside.

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<v Speaker 1>So many.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd never see anything like it in Australia because there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much pride here to be Israeli. This has been

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<v Speaker 2>a week of reporting that I'll never forget and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so pleased I've been able to share these incredible stories

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<v Speaker 2>and experiences with you at home in Australia. I'll see

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<v Speaker 2>you back home next week and until then, here's James

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<v Speaker 2>Morrow hosting for Paul Murray.