WEBVTT - Credlin | 7 July 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:07.200 Peter Kredlin live on Sky News Australia. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.160 Well, good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Jamie 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.600 Rodgers filling in for Peter Kredlin. He is coming up 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:19.640 on the program. Australia Skilled Migration program has been described 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.640 as a con job. So what does the data say? 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:26.079 We dig into that in just a moment. One of 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:30.440 Australia's most successful businessmen has launched a radical new plan 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:34.959 to help franchisees, claiming the Prime Minister doesn't understand the 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:40.200 harsh realities of small business. And volunteer firefighters in Victoria 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:45.360 are demanding answers after a reported cancer cluster, including three 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.400 deaths they believe is linked to years of exposure on 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:55.480 the job. But first, China sent a message to our 0:00:55.560 --> 0:01:00.000 region with a nuclear capable missile test in the South Pacific, 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:05.200 and Australia should pay close attention because this was not 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:09.200 just another military exercise. It came at the same time 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:13.679 Australia and Fiji signed a security alliance, and then came 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:18.720 Beijing's response, a missile fired right into our region. Mike 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.840 Bozulo questioned the timing on am agenda. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.640 Is it possible that they had such advanced notice of 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:27.840 when the Prime Minister would be on the ground in Suva. 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:33.560 That they also orchestrated a secondary effect which was to disrupt, 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:40.080 embarrass put a scratch across the signing of the FIGI 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.240 Defense Agreement. That would be deeply concerning. 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.600 This show of force is a reminder that Pacific is 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:50.600 no longer immune from global power politics. It is now 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:55.000 one of the most contested regions. Here was Defense Minister 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:56.680 Richard Miles this morning. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.160 The message that's being sent to all that the test 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.800 which is being done here is a display of an 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:09.800 extended range that China now has in terms of deploying 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.160 a nuclear weapon, and that's obviously very concerning. We have 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:17.360 expressed the concern at a direct government to government level, 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.280 both in Canberra and Beijing. 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.680 The United States State Department said this at a time 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.680 when the United States is working harder than ever to 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:33.600 prevent nuclear proliferation, China is doing the opposite. Beijing's rapid 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:37.359 and opaque nuclear weapons build up is one of great 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:41.480 concern to the region and the world. This should shake 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:45.919 Canber out of complacency for too long. The Albanesi government 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:50.320 has talked about stabilizing the relationship with China as though 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:55.359 warm words can change hard power. Defense expert Michael Schubridge 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.200 said the Prime Minister needed to change tact. 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:02.359 They don't care who's signs what pieces of paper. Their 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:06.359 military reach and power is growing and they're aggressive. The 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:10.080 only person that seems to think this missile firing and 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.800 the Australia Fiji agreement are not linked is Richard Miles. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:18.120 Australia and China are not in a staple relationship because 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:22.440 China is on an aggressive push into our region with 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.360 its naked military power. So getting some honesty from the 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.720 government about the state of the relationship would be a 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:30.680 good starting point. 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.960 And mister Shubridge's right, Stabilization is not a defense strategy, 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.360 it's not a deterrent and it does not stop Beijing 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:43.440 from expanding its military reach into our neighborhood. And that 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.480 is the reality Australia now faces. The message to small 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:51.120 island nations is clear, you can science security deals with 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.840 Australia and deep in ties with the West, but Beijing 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.119 wants you to know it has the power to put 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:01.720 nuclear capable weapons right into your area. That is not 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:06.480 a partnership. That is intimidation. And Solomon Island's Prime minister 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.840 said this behavior isn't welcome. 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.320 China is a good friend of Solomon Islands, but this 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:15.400 is not something a friend does. This is not good 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.599 in our region. And Na's chair of Pacific Islands Forum. 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:25.039 I've expressed my strong registered my strong protest yesterday with 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:29.400 the ambassador. We don't want to see any more countries, China, America, anybody. 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.479 We don't want anybody testing the ICBMs in the Pacific 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:37.839 Islands region. That's that's the bottom line. Be our friend, 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.880 but don't threaten us. 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:46.680 At the same press conference, Anthony Albanesi condemned to China's actions. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.520 There is no doubt that this is a provocative act 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.840 by China which does destabilize the region. We have said 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:59.160 consistently that we want to cooperate with China where we can. 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.640 We'll disagree where we must. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.440 But this should force a serious conversation about whether we 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:10.480 are taking national security seriously enough. United States Studies Centre's 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.680 Chief executive Michael Green referred to the situation as pretty 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:19.080 damn intimidating and warned China could use the Pacific to 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:23.840 isolate Australia from its allies like Japan. Tried to during 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:28.320 World War II. Because while China expands its reach, Australia 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.080 is still arguing over defense spending. We are still selling 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:36.440 off defense land, We are moving too slowly on capability. 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.279 We are still acting as though geography will protect us. 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:45.159 It will not. The Pacific is our front yard and 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.360 if Beijing is prepared to fire missiles into that area, 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:53.359 then Australia needs to wake up. National security cannot be 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.520 something we talk about only when there is a crisis. 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:01.480 It must shape our decisions now. We need to be proactive, 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:07.320 not reactive. Our defense budget, our alliances, our ports, our 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:12.880 fuel security, our critical minerals and our sovereign capability. If 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:16.599 Australia is serious about defending itself, these can't just be 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:22.000 talking points. Opposition leader Angus Taylor says Australia must do more. 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.159 We need to see those people supported with the appropriate funding, 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.520 the appropriate capability behind them, and that is not happening 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.840 with the current level of spend by this government. They 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.240 need to get it right and they haven't got it right. 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.520 They need to spend it on the right things. They 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.600 need to be agile. They need to have the sovereign 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.880 capability necessary for us to be able to defend ourselves 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.599 and most of all, to work with our allies to 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:44.480 demonstrate strength. 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:50.279 Yesterday's missile test showed one thing very clearly. China is 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:59.320 preparing for a more dangerous world. Is Australia. Well, Australia 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.760 has been told for years that high migration is required 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:09.160 as we need skilled workers doctors, engineers, tradees, nurses, people 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:13.240 who can feel genuine shortages and help grow our economy. 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:17.480 Well that's been the sales pitch. But today The Daily 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:22.080 Telegraph uncovered figures that raises a question is this really 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.960 a skilled migration program at all? Department of Home Affairs 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.360 data shows Australi granted more than one hundred and eighty 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.640 five thousand permanent visas over the past year. On paper, 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.600 more than one hundred and thirty two thousand of those 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:42.000 were classified as skilled. That sounds reasonable until you dig 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:46.080 a little deeper. According to analysis by doctor Kevin Yu 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:50.880 at the Institute of Public Affairs, only around sixty thousand visas, 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:55.520 so just one third of the total migration program went 0:07:55.600 --> 0:08:00.120 to someone approved as a skilled worker. What about the others, Well, 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.520 they went to family members. Now no one is suggesting 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:08.600 Australia should split families apart, but Australians deserve honesty. Macro 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:13.320 Business Chief economist Leith Van Nosolin has regularly insisted this 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:18.200 The government is being deliberately misleading about the situation with 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:22.679 skilled migration. One Nation, New South Wales Senator Sean Bell 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:27.360 said Australia is drowning in unskilled migrants and described the 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:31.760 program as a con job. Senator Bell joins me shortly. 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:36.840 This is important as Australia is currently debating migration during 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:41.160 a housing crisis. Every extra person needs somewhere to live. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.760 Infrastructure is struggling to keep up, Hospitals are under pressure, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.680 schools are bursting at the seams. The other issue is 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:55.079 what Australia now considers to be skilled. The occupation list 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:59.240 has ballooned to more than four hundred and fifty different professions, 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:05.360 not just doctors, nurses, engineers and electricians, but graphic designers, 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:12.720 advertising managers, interior designers, public relations actors. Are these occupations 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:17.360 facing critical national shortages? Surely someone in the department looks 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.120 at that list and questions whether we need more actors 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.439 or has the definition of skilled migration become so broad 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.240 that it's lost its meaning? Is this now a larger 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:33.240 migration program with a more attractive label. Senator John o'dunneam 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:38.000 says labor needs to explain this is another example of 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.560 labour running a migration program with the numbers too high 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:45.520 and the standards too low. Australia needs a migration program 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:49.360 that is smaller, better managed, and genuinely targeted to the 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.960 skills of our community, not one patted out by categories 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:58.400 that labor then markets as skilled. And here's the irony. 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:04.440 While the government argues migration helps solve Australia's problems, many 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:08.360 businesses still can't get the workers that they need. The 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.600 owner of a Sydney plumbing business told The Daily Telegraph 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:16.640 that finding qualified tradees remains a constant struggle. He says 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:22.840 sponsoring genuine skilled workers is expensive, slow and wrapped in bureaucracy, 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.920 so even businesses crying out for tradespeople say the system 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:32.520 isn't working. This shows we need smarter migration. Australians have 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:37.000 always supported migration when it's planned, when it's genuinely in 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:41.440 the national interest. What people don't support is being told 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:45.920 one thing while the numbers tell a different story. This 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:50.079 comes after Australia's net permanent and long term arrivals hit 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.960 more than four hundred and eighty thousand people last year. 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:57.000 That's the highest calendar year figure on record, higher than 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.760 the previous record by seven percent, and that was set 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.199 in two twenty twenty three. The Daily Telegraph asked Home 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.920 Affairs Minister Tony Burke for a comment. A spokesman said 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.560 Australia's policy is not to split up families when skilled 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:14.959 migrants are awarded visas. Although mister Burke has previously said 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:19.760 infrastructure and services need to keep up with migration. 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.240 It is true that you need to make sure you 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:27.600 are building enough houses for the people to deal with 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.600 the housing shortage that we have. Getting the right immigrants 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.319 is actually part of the solution, not just not necessarily 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.640 part of the problem. 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.440 If only one in three permanent migrants is a skilled worker, 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.680 then perhaps it's time the government stopped calling it a 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:48.040 skilled migration program and started having an honest conversation with 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:55.520 Australians about what this really is. Well, let's head to 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.160 Camber now for tonight's political headlines. Visky News political reporter 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:00.440 rubnspar Day. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.120 Good evening the Prime Minister is condemning China's test of 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:09.240 an intercontinental ballistic missile as a provocative act. Reports suggest 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.319 that landed near Nahru, a few hundred kilometers north of 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.640 where Anthony Alberzi is visiting in the Solomon Islands. 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.640 No doubt that this is a provocative act by China 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.200 which does destabilize the region. 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.839 He was in Fiji at the time of the splashdown, 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.160 signing a new alliance. China insists the launch was a 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.120 routine military exercise. 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:34.280 Relevant lunch activities are professional and regulated and well hope 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.199 that you want interpret too much from that. 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:41.520 The United States warns China is undermining nuclear non proliferation. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.200 Efforts, best pathway to pieces strengths, and that is why 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.440 we need to see an increase in defense spinning in 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:50.000 this country. Working closely with our alliances, our allies across 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:51.199 the globe. 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.800 The federal government has lodged formal concerns with the Chinese 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:58.080 embassy in Canberra and through diplomatic channels in Beijing. China's 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.920 shell force is casting a sho I know over Anthony 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:05.080 Alberesi's Pacific mission. The Prime Minister held a bilateral meeting 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:09.120 with this Solomon Island's counterpart. The two leaders working towards 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.720 a comprehensive treaty to strengthen cooperation. 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.560 We know we're stronger when we stand together, and I 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:19.320 look forward to the many decades of closer cooperation to come. 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.800 Anthony Alberzi is now returning home where he'll host the 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.800 leaders of Papua New Guinea and Tonga at the State 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:26.360 of Origin. 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.679 Well, let's tell further now into the news today about 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.800 Australia's skilled migration program. It has been described as a 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:39.200 conjob with fresh claims the skilled migration program is overwhelmingly 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:43.800 driven by family migration. Analysis of Department of Home Affairs 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.800 data from twenty four to twenty five by the Institute 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.600 of Public Affairs found that one hundred and eighty five 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:54.920 thousand permanent visas granted over this twelve month period, seventy 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:59.280 one percent were classified as skilled visas, but of those 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.960 only third twenty three percent actually went to someone approved 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.200 as skilled. So joining us now to help us pull 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:10.200 this all apart is Institute of Public Affairs Research fellow Saxon. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:16.240 Davidson Saxon, welcome. Your analysis shows only one in three 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:21.480 places in Australia's migration program actually go to the skilled worker, 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.680 with the rest going to the family. Has the government 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:29.480 been misleading Australians about what a skilled migration program really is? 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.800 I believe so, yes, and they've been doing it for 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.240 quite a long time. As you just said, there are 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.400 one hundred and eighty five permanent visas granted, and of 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.640 that about seventy one percent are given under the skilled 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.680 visa program, but only sixty thousand of the total one 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:52.800 hundred and eighty five thousand total permanent visas are actually 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.920 skilled migrants. Now, no one is suggesting that we have 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:01.920 a family separation policy when it comes to our migration policy. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:03.000 That's absurd. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.840 But the government should at least be honest about what 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:11.440 our skilled migration program actually is, particularly when we're having 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.440 a record net overseas migration program under this Albanese government. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.600 We definitely don't want to split families. But does this 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.800 build a stronger case for the government to tighten eligibility 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.800 for second applicants or as a way to overall reduce 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:28.800 the migrant intake. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.680 I certainly do think so on both of those accounts, 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.920 particularly on the reduction of migration, because we're having large 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.240 stress on the economy when it comes to construction of 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:48.720 homes a housing shortage crisis, a rental shortage crisis, and 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:53.240 the migration program isn't fixing the problem that this Albanese 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.760 government specifically said that it would back In twenty two 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.960 to twenty three, the Albanese government stated that we needed 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.840 a refix of our migration program, which actually just meant 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.240 to increase it in order to fix our worker shortage 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:12.320 problem that arose from the pandemic. But that worker shortage 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.640 crisis has only continued and has now become the norm, 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.440 and migration numbers remain elevated. So absolutely we need a 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:23.680 reduction in immigration and we need to read think about 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.640 how we actually go about and solving our worker shortage crisis. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.040 One thing that I found really interesting in this Daily 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:34.360 Telegraph analysis was the skilled occupation list, now including more 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.840 than four hundred and fifty different roles. Now, obviously you 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.960 would expect to see things like doctors and engineers, but 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:45.720 now there's things like actors and interior designers. In your opinion, 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:50.040 has the definition of skills shortage become just so broad 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:54.760 that the program is no longer serving Australia's economic interests. 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:03.080 Without a doubt, People commonly think as skilled migrants with 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:07.639 skills isn't always aligned with what the government considers to 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.560 be a skill, and that obviously reflects in what occurs 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:15.840 with our skilled migration program. Everyone thinks that being a doctor, 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.679 or being a nurse, or having an engineering degree is 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:23.520 clearly a skill, but clearly that this migration program, this 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:27.080 skilled migration program, is not designed for the needs of 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.840 the economy. Because if the government's argument is that we 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.760 need workers to help fix our housing shortage, and that's 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.479 why we have a migration program, then you would expect 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:40.000 the vast majority of those migrants to come with skills 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:44.000 in things such as manufacturing or construction, but simply not 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.800 the case, and so you're actually having the added demand 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:53.360 stress of housing and rentals being applied with the excuse 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.680 that this is going to improve supply and it's simply 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:56.119 not true. 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.960 Saxon, I want to go back to the job vacancy 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.800 level that you were just talking about, because you did 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.120 some research around this, but more so about the high 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.600 level that we're seeing where we're around that forty five 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:12.480 percent higher than pre pandemic levels. But what does that 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.879 tell you about the government when they're constantly talking about 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:20.399 migration but it's not actually feeling these worker shortages and 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.200 what's the way that you think we should be approaching 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:24.000 this instead. 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:32.119 So the IPA does regular analysis on job vacancies and 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.199 it's found that worker shortages have been above around three 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.720 hundred and twenty five thousand job vacancies for the last 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:43.960 five years and this costs the taxpayer in terms of 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:48.119 lost income and lost income tax to the government as well. 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.520 But in terms of what we should be doing instead, 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.160 the IPA has long held the position that we really 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.560 need to look at the tax code that we apply 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:01.480 to Australian veterans, Australian students on the Youth Allowance, as 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:05.080 well as Australian pensioners who face tax rates as high 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:08.800 as sixty six percent due to lost benefits and to 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.800 regular income tax brackets when they work about a day 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:16.240 and a half on minimum wage for a week. Our 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.399 research has found that this will increase the labor market 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.879 by about five hundred and twenty thousand workers. And also 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.399 these are skilled workers that live in Australia, particularly our 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:30.840 veterans and our pensioners, who also shouldn't be taxed at 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.680 such a high rate for wanting to stay a part 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.400 of their community and then also this help. This help 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:42.000 fixes job vacancies in unskilled areas of the economy when 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:46.000 it comes to students who desperately need that experience in 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.639 order to put forward in life once their studies are done. 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.000 These are easy tax changes that we can make that 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.359 are cost effective and add output into the economy and 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:59.199 puts more workers into the economy while also increasing the 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.000 amount of people paying income tax for the federal government. 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:06.720 But instead the government have continued with this failed migration 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.640 program that has simply been unable to fix the worker 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:13.359 shortage crisis, as shown with the elevated levels that we 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:13.800 have seen. 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:18.920 Well, Saxon, thank you for your time tonight. Alright, it 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.360 is now time to bring in my panel One Nation, 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:25.560 New South Wales Senator Sean Bell and political commentator Rode Knox. 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.359 Welcome to you both. Sean, I will start with you 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.040 because we've been talking about this skilled migration program, which 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:35.840 you refer to as a con job. Why do you 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:37.560 believe Australians have been misled? 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:43.920 I mean conjob, Ponzi scheme, fast, there are other words 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:45.720 I could have used to describe it, and I think 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.000 Australians can understand after listening to your last guest a 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.439 very good explanation of this process, just why they've been conned. 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.480 For people my age, our entire lives. We've been told 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:00.399 that there's a skills crisis and immigration will solve it. Well, 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.439 if mass immigrations solved the skills crisis, there would not 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.919 be a skills crisis. And instead what we've seen is 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:10.240 it's just another lever the government can pull to flood 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:13.440 the country with migrants and to the point where we're 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.720 drowning in unskilled labor. I mean, and that point that 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:19.760 was made to as to there are other alternative methods 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.920 to solve this problem is correct. A one nation has 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:25.440 a policy of making sure that the tax burden on 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.520 pensioners or veterans if they wish to go back to work, 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:32.119 is removed so that we have the skills in the 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.600 country that can be utilized. We don't have to rely 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.639 on bringing in more people, putting further pressure on homes, 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.360 further pressure on hospitals, further pressure on our infrastructure. So, yes, 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.240 this is a con job, but it's one that the 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:44.240 Australian people are. 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.120 Awake to roll. 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.320 I want to look at a new book that is 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:51.359 launching on Friday and now. Poor Kelly was on Chris 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:55.080 Kenny's program just earlier and he talks about the Liberal 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:58.640 era between twenty thirteen and twenty twenty two. But within 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:02.000 the book, former Prime to John Howard has spoken about 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:05.600 the Liberal Party's problems during the Abbot, Turnbull and Morrison 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.960 years and he really feels that it comes down to 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:13.120 leadership failures and ultimately that's led to the political decline 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:16.600 of the party. What do you think, well. 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:19.040 I think, Jamie, part of the issue is we had 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:27.440 the Rudd Guillard Rudd fiasco before we had Abbot, Turnbull Morrison, 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:31.480 so in some ways the Liberals then mirrored that behavior 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:35.560 from the Labor Party and I have no doubt that 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:39.639 that was part of the instability in the two major 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:43.880 parties that drove the Till movement in twenty twenty two. 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:48.520 And we've also seen a splintering of the Australian political 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:52.640 landscape as a result of that mirroring of the two 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:56.280 sets of the major parties. I think it is important 0:22:56.280 --> 0:23:01.639 to note though, Jamie, obviously Tony Abbot's had significant wins 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:07.520 around fair trade in the Pacific. Turnbulls government was able 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:11.159 to lower the tax rate for small and medium sized 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:16.040 businesses which helps us supercharge the economy. And Morrison I 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.560 mean partly from the COVID stimulus package. But they did 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:24.120 have the lowest unemployment rate in forty eight years. So 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:28.480 those three governments did still build on the prosperity of 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:33.040 the Howard Costello years, but without doubt it was disruptive 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:35.240 for the two major parties. 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:40.520 Well, Sean, let's head over now to wa where the 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:44.520 by election. It's been described as the biggest test yet 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:48.159 for one nation's political momentum. What is the feeling like 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:50.720 on the ground, what's the response and the feedback that 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:51.800 you're hearing. 0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:58.080 Huge enthusiasm for one nation delivering the change that people 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:01.240 can trust. But let me be that this is a 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:05.440 very very safe labor seat. I think it pulled over 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:08.280 forty five percent for labor at the last state elections. 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:11.000 So one Nation are the underdogs here, but that's never 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:14.840 stopped us before. We know that bad labor governments, be 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.080 it the current State Cook government or the Albanese government, 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:21.639 they need strong opposition, and the existing liberal opposition have 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.120 just failed. They have failed. So it's up to one 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:28.240 nation to provide that strong alternative, to provide strong alternatives 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:30.680 on energy policy because we need to end net zero 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:33.320 to bring down the price of electricity. That will feed 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.240 through to the economy, which means cheaper food at your 0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:40.840 kitchen table, it means better prices for businesses. You know, 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.520 there is a huge enthusiasm for this and when when 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:45.960 one nation is up for the challenge. We showed that 0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:48.479 we can get across the line in Farah, and so 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.760 while we are with the underdogs, I think we're ready 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:51.639 to give it a red hot go. 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:56.919 Now ro The Prime minister's podcast comments are still in 0:24:56.960 --> 0:24:59.879 the headlines, but more so today it's around the s 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.160 silence from Labor women. They would have been the first 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:06.240 to condemn a Liberal Party male, but silenced when it 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:09.400 comes to Albo and even just into Allen, who took 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:13.000 such offense to the ditch the witch campaign has come 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:17.360 out saying the comments were just lighthearted. Is it becoming 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:19.520 hard to ignore the hypocrisy here? 0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:25.080 I mean, Jamie, it's extraordinary hypocrisy, isn't it that? A 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:29.520 different standard for a labor prime minister than any man 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:34.800 in the Liberal or National Party. And from my standpoint, 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:39.000 I thought it was extraordinarily disrespectful to his wife Jody, 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:43.439 to women generally, I don't know, Jbie, if you were 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:45.359