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<v Speaker 1>I can only see two other possibilities. There's a hidden

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<v Speaker 1>partner as a hidden partner, there's a hidden partner. There's

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else involved in this. Potentially is the other person

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<v Speaker 1>the spider at the central of the web, the center

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<v Speaker 1>of the web central. So did Alan in fact have

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<v Speaker 1>a hidden benefactor who effectively was the de facto silent boss.

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<v Speaker 1>So if that was the case, then you have to

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<v Speaker 1>assume that he's a co signatory of the bank accounts

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<v Speaker 1>and he or she have got the money, have got money.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the first thing that comes to my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>is that there's someone else involved behind the scenes who

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<v Speaker 1>has somehow benefited from this. The only other alternative is

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<v Speaker 1>that he's not dead, and that he's in fact living

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<v Speaker 1>off the money, living off the money, living off the money.

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<v Speaker 2>Forty nine million dollars vanished into the ether, hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>There's a world changing algorithm supposedly in a safe in

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<v Speaker 2>a secret location, and a charismatic fraudster who died suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>while the heat was on him. It's the stuff of

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<v Speaker 2>a Hollywood blockbuster. If it were a movie, it might

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<v Speaker 2>end with the money shot of Alan Metcalf sipping on

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<v Speaker 2>a cocktail on a remote beach somewhere, alive and well,

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<v Speaker 2>living off his hidden fortune. A fake death is not

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<v Speaker 2>just a common movie device. It's also a rumor that

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<v Speaker 2>has plagued other similar cases.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at Melissa Kaddick, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney fraudster who disappeared in November twenty twenty, shortly after

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<v Speaker 2>she was raided by ACIK and the Australian Federal Police.

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<v Speaker 3>A few months later.

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<v Speaker 2>Melissa's decomposing foot washed up on a South Coast beach.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty three. A coroner declared Kadok deceased, but

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<v Speaker 2>rumors of her faking her own death continued to this day.

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<v Speaker 3>Alan Metcalf's death has also caused similar whispers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there were that he's not dead, that he's realized

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<v Speaker 1>he's taking the money and ran.

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<v Speaker 4>But no, that's that's not right.

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<v Speaker 5>It can't be right.

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<v Speaker 6>I heard it somewhere, maybe someone said as a joke,

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<v Speaker 6>but maybe the roomor got around, but people said, mate,

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<v Speaker 6>he's probably over there and enjoying his money over some

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<v Speaker 6>island somewhere.

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<v Speaker 4>And the investor did right back and said, I hope

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to be an open casket. And people are like,

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<v Speaker 4>that's pretty heavy thing. To say, But now looking back

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<v Speaker 4>at it, he probably had every right to ask because

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. No one knows exactly if he's one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred percent dead. There's no been, no definitif to get

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<v Speaker 4>proven to any investors, anything like that. And yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's all up in the air.

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<v Speaker 5>No, We're just a couple of people that I got

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<v Speaker 5>involved in just a are you sure he's dead? Should

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<v Speaker 5>we go and dig up the coffin?

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<v Speaker 7>And some people tell me, I wonder if he really died?

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<v Speaker 3>You think do you think he really died?

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<v Speaker 7>Or who knows?

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<v Speaker 3>Because he could be with Melissa.

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<v Speaker 2>With so much money unaccounted for, the possibility that Alan

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<v Speaker 2>might have faked his own death, however unlikely, is one

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<v Speaker 2>that I can't ignore. So I decide to investigate. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Turner Cohen, a finance and investigative reporter from News

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<v Speaker 2>dot com dot Au.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're listening to the Missing forty nine Million.

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<v Speaker 2>This is episode seven resurrection.

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<v Speaker 3>So where do I start.

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<v Speaker 2>I reach out to a man who knows exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>to do.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm Ken Gamble, the executive chairman of IFW Glibel. We're

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<v Speaker 8>a private intelligence firm that specializes in financial crime, and

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<v Speaker 8>asset recovery.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken Gamble has worked for twenty five years tracking money

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<v Speaker 2>and fraudsters.

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<v Speaker 3>Around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>The Queenslander is a hard man to pin down for

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<v Speaker 2>a chat. I have to wait a month to interview him,

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<v Speaker 2>as he was in the Philippines helping out with police

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<v Speaker 2>raids to shut down a group of crypto scammers. It

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<v Speaker 2>leads to thirty five arrests. We finally meet in my

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<v Speaker 2>office when he's in Sydney on his way back from

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<v Speaker 2>the raids in a suit. He's relaxed and confident. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>definitely not the first journalist he's spoken to.

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<v Speaker 8>We've taken on this kind of role as a frontline

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<v Speaker 8>international scam busting company, and a lot of my work

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<v Speaker 8>in recent years has been around financial fraudsters and con

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<v Speaker 8>men and those types of people. Probably one of the

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<v Speaker 8>most highly exposed cases that I've worked on as the

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<v Speaker 8>Peter Foster case, the notorious con man who I've been

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<v Speaker 8>responsible for sending him to prison a few times and

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<v Speaker 8>recovering a lot of money from him. And there's been

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<v Speaker 8>some very controversial stories about him trying to get me

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<v Speaker 8>killed and all sorts of things. So I've done a

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<v Speaker 8>lot of different sorts of work. I've just come back

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<v Speaker 8>from a raid in the Philippines two weeks ago. Every

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<v Speaker 8>few months now, we're arresting someone somewhere for some sort

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<v Speaker 8>of scams.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken works with the police across several different countries, sharing evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>but he doesn't actually arrest people himself. And if there's

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who might be able to help me figure out

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<v Speaker 2>if Alan is still secretly alive, it's Ken Gamble.

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<v Speaker 3>I jump right into.

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<v Speaker 2>The concept of faking your own death. My first question

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<v Speaker 2>is simple, is it even possible and does it really happen.

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<v Speaker 8>I've worked on cases where people have disappeared and believed

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<v Speaker 8>to be deceased. In fact, we have a very large

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<v Speaker 8>one right now. He's a con man that disappeared in

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<v Speaker 8>two thousand and seven. A lot of people believe that

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<v Speaker 8>he's dead, but he's not dead, and we've found him

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<v Speaker 8>in Vietnam recently. He's just living under a different name.

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<v Speaker 8>So he's a person who wants the world to believe

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<v Speaker 8>that he's dead, but he's not. He actually assumed the

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<v Speaker 8>identity of a dead person. But he's a criminal mastermind,

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<v Speaker 8>speaks six languages. You know, this guy is real smart,

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<v Speaker 8>real clever, So I don't think that the average person

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<v Speaker 8>can do it. You have to be extremely clever and

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<v Speaker 8>you have to have a lot of discipline to be

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<v Speaker 8>able to fake your own death, because you know, you've

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<v Speaker 8>got to cut everything out of your life, even family.

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<v Speaker 8>You have to start again somewhere under a new assumed identity.

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<v Speaker 8>And once you do that, there's always a risk that

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<v Speaker 8>something's going to come undone like that photograph that could

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<v Speaker 8>be published. For example, if you're going to travel, you

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<v Speaker 8>have to go through borders. Even airports have facial recognition

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<v Speaker 8>software now, so we're living in an age now where

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<v Speaker 8>your digital footprint is absolutely everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>As a private investigator, if someone was believed dead, what

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<v Speaker 2>would make you think that they might not be well?

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<v Speaker 8>It would depend on the circumstances of their alleged death.

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<v Speaker 8>So what we would investigate is the alleged death. Where

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<v Speaker 8>did it happen, How did it happen, who was involved?

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<v Speaker 8>You know, that's really the point to investigate. And there

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<v Speaker 8>have been some very famous cases where people have allegedly

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<v Speaker 8>died in India on a motorbike accident, for example, there's

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<v Speaker 8>a death certificate, there's all sorts of stuff, and that

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<v Speaker 8>it turns out to be fraudulent, So we would start

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<v Speaker 8>by investigating the circumstances surrounding the alleged death to find

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<v Speaker 8>out whether or not there might be forged documentation. We'd

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<v Speaker 8>have to check the authenticity of a death certificate, did

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<v Speaker 8>it really happen, was there any witnesses, you know, that

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<v Speaker 8>sort of thing, and if it turned out to be

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<v Speaker 8>fraudulent documents where you're dealing straight away with someone who's

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<v Speaker 8>faked their death.

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<v Speaker 2>In Queensland, where Alan died, death certificates are only available

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<v Speaker 2>to family members, so as a journalist, I can't apply

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<v Speaker 2>to view it, but I can look at the circumstances

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<v Speaker 2>of his death. Many people have told me during this

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<v Speaker 2>investigation that his sudden heart attack wasn't surprising.

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<v Speaker 5>It didn't particularly shock me.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Michael Blake, the former footballer and investor that

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<v Speaker 2>we've heard from many times throughout this series, who invested

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred thousand and raised another one million dollars for

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<v Speaker 2>Safe Worlds. If Alan has faked his own death and

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<v Speaker 2>he's living off the money, then people like Michael of

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<v Speaker 2>the victims. Michael had got to know Alan pretty well.

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<v Speaker 5>By the end of his life, he didn't look healthy

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<v Speaker 5>and I spent a lot of time with him, and

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<v Speaker 5>he had to wait on him in that right. But

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<v Speaker 5>it wasn't because he's a big eater or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 5>But he used to go with out meals and have

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<v Speaker 5>biscuits and coffee and tea and stuff like that. But

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<v Speaker 5>it wasn't because he was a big eater. But everything

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<v Speaker 5>got put on it as body fat. And because say

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<v Speaker 5>if he was in Australia, he'd be doing a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of phone calls in America and that'd be up. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>he probably didn't sleep a lot. He was always working

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<v Speaker 5>and he skipped meals because he didn't have time because

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<v Speaker 5>always going to a meeting in that but there's always

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<v Speaker 5>a biscuit around, so you have a biscuit or whatever,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, which is an ideal.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael thinks that hard working lifestyle eventually caught up with Alan.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, he just wanted to get up and going

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<v Speaker 5>and that was his dream or his goal or whatever

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<v Speaker 5>for a long time, and unfortunately it cost him his

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<v Speaker 5>life too early.

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<v Speaker 3>So what have I learned so far?

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<v Speaker 2>Alan was a seventy year old man working long hours,

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<v Speaker 2>poor fitness, a bad diet, no sleep. None of this

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<v Speaker 2>raises red flags for me that Alan's hard to take

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<v Speaker 2>is suspicious.

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<v Speaker 3>I can suggest what I can do next.

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<v Speaker 8>From there, you would branch out into family. You'd start

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<v Speaker 8>looking at their family members because of all people in

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<v Speaker 8>the world, when you fake your death, you want to

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<v Speaker 8>stay in touch with someone, your favorite uncle, your mum,

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<v Speaker 8>and your dad. You normally want to let at least

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<v Speaker 8>one person in your family know that you're okay. And

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<v Speaker 8>that also creates a vulnerability for the subject because they

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<v Speaker 8>may slip up and want to ring mum one day,

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<v Speaker 8>and you know the phone could be tapped or whatever,

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<v Speaker 8>depending on the situation. So I think that the family

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<v Speaker 8>circle would be that the second place we'd start looking.

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<v Speaker 2>I've contacted Alan's immediate family already. As you know, my

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<v Speaker 2>attempts with his wife, Mary have been far from successful.

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<v Speaker 2>She spoke at Alan's funeral and was quite upset. I

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<v Speaker 2>also got hold of the email address of Alan's only child,

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<v Speaker 2>Clayton Metcalf, but never heard back throughout my investigation.

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<v Speaker 8>And also the communications of that person prior to the death,

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<v Speaker 8>their phone records, their emails. Have a look at the

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<v Speaker 8>circumstances surrounding the lead up to their alleged death, where

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<v Speaker 8>they suddenly in extreme financial pressure. Was there something happening

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<v Speaker 8>in their life where they had to disappear. Was there

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<v Speaker 8>an insurance policy involved? Were their circumstances that are questionable

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<v Speaker 8>or suspicious? These are all the things that we look

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<v Speaker 8>at as an investigator to try to understand whether there

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<v Speaker 8>were the three main things that are connected to every crime,

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<v Speaker 8>the means, the motive, and the opportunity for that person

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<v Speaker 8>to fake their own death.

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<v Speaker 2>Alarms are going off in my mind because Alan would

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<v Speaker 2>have certainly had motives.

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<v Speaker 3>Before he died.

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<v Speaker 2>Safe Worlds was crumbling, people were chasing the business over debts,

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<v Speaker 2>and the company he had ceased operating with no staff left,

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<v Speaker 2>and the website was no longer live. Investors were asking

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<v Speaker 2>hard questions about where their money had gone, and some

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<v Speaker 2>were already calling it out as a scam, while others

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<v Speaker 2>had tipped off authorities. On top of that, Australia's corporate

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<v Speaker 2>regulator ACIK was closing in. Alan's office and home had

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<v Speaker 2>been raided by ACIK and the Australian Federal Police twice.

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<v Speaker 2>The most recent raid happened just a month before his

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<v Speaker 2>fatal heart attack.

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<v Speaker 3>There's little doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>In my mind that Alan would have been feeling the pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>As for the means, well, there is millions unaccounted for

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<v Speaker 2>forty nine million dollars worth of people's life savings that

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<v Speaker 2>had disappeared where into safe worlds, the Cayman Islands, somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>And with that amount of money, Ken says, the possibilities

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<v Speaker 2>are limitless.

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<v Speaker 8>Once you have money, you can do anything. That's the

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<v Speaker 8>bottom line. It's all about money. With money, you can

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<v Speaker 8>buy fake identities, you can set yourself up somewhere securely,

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<v Speaker 8>you can hire security, you can do all those things

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<v Speaker 8>that will keep you occupied and keep you out of

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<v Speaker 8>the prying eyes of the public. Basically, so you can

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<v Speaker 8>live on an island somewhere. You can live in Vietnam

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<v Speaker 8>pretending to be a retired British military figure or something,

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<v Speaker 8>and everybody just takes it for granted and nobody ever

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<v Speaker 8>asked questions. So once you have money, you're set for life.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm learning here is that it makes more sense

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<v Speaker 2>to think Alan would have faked his own death only

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<v Speaker 2>if he stole and kept the forty nine million, rather

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<v Speaker 2>than faking his own death to avoid the consequences of

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<v Speaker 2>losing that money by being a bad businessman. Because it

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<v Speaker 2>would be much harder to hide if he didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>that money behind him.

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<v Speaker 8>If you don't have money, on the other hand, and

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<v Speaker 8>you don't have those resources, you're going to have to

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<v Speaker 8>rely upon trying to make money. You're going to have

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<v Speaker 8>to come in contact with a lot more people. You're

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<v Speaker 8>going to have to try and get work and get

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<v Speaker 8>jobs or get people to help you, or you have

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<v Speaker 8>to travel. You're opening up the vulnerabilities a lot more so.

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<v Speaker 2>Just say I was looking to fake my own death.

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<v Speaker 2>What level of money are we talking about as a

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<v Speaker 2>stab in the dark. Are we talking millions or multiple millions?

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<v Speaker 8>No, I wouldn't say millions. I'd say several hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 8>at least to start with, to be able to set

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<v Speaker 8>up a situation where I mean, look at fake passport.

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<v Speaker 8>You can get that for ten thousand dollars over in Thailand. Drivers' licenses.

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<v Speaker 8>You can go on the dark web now and you

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<v Speaker 8>can get your whole new identity. You can get drivers licenses, passports,

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<v Speaker 8>and the passports look real, they're almost identical, but you

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<v Speaker 8>can't travel on them because the code on the passport

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<v Speaker 8>doesn't work. But you know, you could be looking at

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<v Speaker 8>anything up to ten thousand dollars maybe cheap. A fake

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<v Speaker 8>driver's license two thousand dollars in Thailand, identical to a

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<v Speaker 8>new South Wales driver's license. But I would say, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>a minimum of a quarter of a million dollars or

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<v Speaker 8>something to be able to get yourself set up somewhere

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<v Speaker 8>so that you could at least vanish. And then of

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<v Speaker 8>course you need ongoing income. You need to be able

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<v Speaker 8>to live and survive. If you want to disappear for

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<v Speaker 8>another twenty years. Depending on the age of the person,

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<v Speaker 8>they may have to consider having enough money to keep

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<v Speaker 8>them going for that long. So that could go in

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<v Speaker 8>the millions.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I can't fake my own death anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just a few hundred thousand dollars short. But what

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<v Speaker 2>about the actual death part itself in a fake death scenario?

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<v Speaker 2>Ken has said his investigation would depend on if there

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<v Speaker 2>were witnesses or not.

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<v Speaker 3>So do people.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally orchestrate a scene where it looks like they've died

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<v Speaker 2>or pay off witnesses to say so, or can they

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<v Speaker 2>report it somewhere and just get a certificate?

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<v Speaker 3>I asked Ken about this.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, so in a lot of countries you can easily

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<v Speaker 8>pay people to provide decertificates, money buys anything in third

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<v Speaker 8>world countries. So there is a famous case about a

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<v Speaker 8>guy who was ind than a Cryptoponsi scheme for hundreds

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<v Speaker 8>of millions of dollars, and he was suspected of faking

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<v Speaker 8>his own death in India.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken is referring to Jerry Cotton, the Canadian CEO of

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<v Speaker 2>a cryptocurrency exchange that turned out to be a massive

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<v Speaker 2>Ponzi scheme. And if I think that Alan had an

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<v Speaker 2>incentive to fake his own death, well then this guy

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<v Speaker 2>certainly did. Jerry Cotton left seventy six thousand people out

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<v Speaker 2>of a quarter of a billion dollars when he died

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly in twenty eighteen. He was holidaying in India at

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<v Speaker 2>the time and was only thirty years old. His death

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<v Speaker 2>was caused apparently from a freak medical episode involving septic shock.

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<v Speaker 2>He took the secrets of his crypto kingdom to the

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<v Speaker 2>grave with him. Cotton's death has prompted a wild slew

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<v Speaker 2>of conspiracy theories and even a whole podcast looking into him.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken thinks there's learnings to be made from this case

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to Alan Metcalf.

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<v Speaker 8>The circumstances around his alleged death were suspicious. There's no witnesses.

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<v Speaker 8>The certificate was issued. It was a genuine death certificate,

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<v Speaker 8>but someone may have been paid to issue a genuine certificate.

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<v Speaker 8>So you may not even be dealing with a fraudulent

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<v Speaker 8>death certificate. You could be dealing with a real one.

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<v Speaker 8>Countries like the Philippines, you could easily create an accident report,

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<v Speaker 8>get someone corrupt in the police to attend an accident

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<v Speaker 8>a motorbike. You could run a motorbike into a tree,

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<v Speaker 8>and that person could fill that out with the person's name,

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<v Speaker 8>and they could actually officially declare the person dead. And

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<v Speaker 8>you could pay off the medical people or the local

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<v Speaker 8>hospital to say that you were deceased. I mean, money

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<v Speaker 8>will buy this kind of stuff. People will do it.

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<v Speaker 8>They'll forge the documents, they'll forge your funeral. It's possible,

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<v Speaker 8>but the more people you involve, the higher the risk

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<v Speaker 8>of being compromised. There's an array of places in the

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<v Speaker 8>world where you can go, countries Africa, Third World countries,

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<v Speaker 8>in Southeast Asia, even Middle Eastern countries. There's so many

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<v Speaker 8>places you could go and create a trail of forged

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<v Speaker 8>documents if necessary. But you'd only do that if you

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<v Speaker 8>were going to make a claim, you know, if there's

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<v Speaker 8>going to be an insurance payout or It really depends

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<v Speaker 8>on the circumstances. But there's a whole array of things

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<v Speaker 8>that one can do if you've got money.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't find out anything about Alan and his life insurance.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all protected information that I can't access. What I

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<v Speaker 2>can tell you is that Mary is not living like

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<v Speaker 2>a woman who's inherited a great deal of money. When

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<v Speaker 2>I visited her at her rental in Queensland, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a modest home and there aren't any other indicators of

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<v Speaker 2>having extravagant purchases. And on Ken's other point, if Alan

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<v Speaker 2>did fake his death, then he took the higher risk

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<v Speaker 2>option of having a funeral, meaning lots of people were involved,

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<v Speaker 2>making the risk of getting compromised even higher. If he

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<v Speaker 2>had done that, it would be likely at least one

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<v Speaker 2>of those people would have let something slip. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>looking into this for a year now and I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>nothing other than rumors.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Blaze thought the funeral was legitimate.

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<v Speaker 2>He even carried the coffin, and he says it wasn't light.

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<v Speaker 2>How many people had to carry the coffin. Was there

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<v Speaker 2>like four of you or was there more?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 5>I think there might have been eight to ten.

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<v Speaker 2>About that. I've seen the footage of Alan's funeral and

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<v Speaker 2>it looked real, and I have no actual evidence to

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<v Speaker 2>believe it's faked. But other things do seem like red flags,

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<v Speaker 2>like the way Alan's set up offshore companies in notorious

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<v Speaker 2>tax havens. I tell Ken about Alan's links to the

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<v Speaker 2>Cayman Islands and the British Virgin Islands and ask are

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<v Speaker 2>they a good place to escape to?

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<v Speaker 8>No, British Virgin Islands and Cayman Islands, those countries are

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<v Speaker 8>not the place you'd go if you're going to fake

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<v Speaker 8>your death because they're small. They're too small, and when

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<v Speaker 8>you're in a very small country, everyone's going to know

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<v Speaker 8>you very quickly, particularly a new face on the block.

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<v Speaker 8>It's too dangerous to go to a place like that. Plus,

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<v Speaker 8>those countries are also regulated. There's a good rule of

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<v Speaker 8>law there. They're very popular places for people to have

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<v Speaker 8>offshore bank accounts, but not go there, not physically go there.

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<v Speaker 8>If someone was going to fake your death, you'd go

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<v Speaker 8>to somewhere like the Philippines. Philippine islands. For example, Thailand,

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<v Speaker 8>Thailand and Philippines and Indonesia would be the three most

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<v Speaker 8>common countries in Southeast Asia where people go that don't

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<v Speaker 8>want to be found. And we know that because we've

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<v Speaker 8>found so many fugitives in these countries. Cambodia as well,

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<v Speaker 8>but Cambodia is not as big, not as much space

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<v Speaker 8>to move around. Thailand, indonesiaan and Philippines certainly in this

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<v Speaker 8>region of the world would be the number one places

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<v Speaker 8>to go.

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<v Speaker 2>So Southeast Asia is the best place to go. And

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<v Speaker 2>those countries are just as stones throw away from Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Did Alan have any connections there? Not that I can see.

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<v Speaker 2>And there is another obstacle that comes with attempting to

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<v Speaker 2>leave the country. Even if you managed to find documents

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<v Speaker 2>that could get you through customs, there's the risk of

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<v Speaker 2>facial recognition. It's a technology that can relies on.

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<v Speaker 8>The big breakthrough is facial recognition technology and biometrics. You know, fingerprinting,

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<v Speaker 8>and you go to Bangkok, any of these countries, Thailand,

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<v Speaker 8>You've got to put your fingerprint in. So it is

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<v Speaker 8>really becoming increasingly more difficult and governments have been more

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<v Speaker 8>vigilant to this type of crime, of people moving across

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<v Speaker 8>borders that may have false identity. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 8>a risky thing to do, and I think it's only

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<v Speaker 8>going to get better and easier for people like us.

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<v Speaker 8>We're having this sort of commercially available, you know, search

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<v Speaker 8>engines and this sort of technology to be able to

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<v Speaker 8>find these types of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken's private detective business has a subscription to this software

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<v Speaker 2>called Pimies, which allows him to do this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>search by matching the face with any other image of

0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the person posted online. It's much better than reverse image

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<v Speaker 2>search on Google. Once Ken ran a search and got

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<v Speaker 2>a hit on a Russian man present dead who'd actually

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<v Speaker 2>been hiding out in Thailand for years. After our interview,

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<v Speaker 2>as I walk Can out of the building, I ask

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<v Speaker 2>him if he's willing to run Alan's photograph through this program,

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<v Speaker 2>and he agrees, so I send him through a grainy

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<v Speaker 2>photo of Alan.

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<v Speaker 3>Ken emails me.

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<v Speaker 2>Back the results. There's a brief moment of excitement when

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<v Speaker 2>I realize he's had a hit and it's for a

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<v Speaker 2>photo that's been taken since February twenty seventeen, the date

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<v Speaker 2>of Alan's death. But it's a false result. The man

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<v Speaker 2>though similar is definitely not Alan. But stranger than that,

0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Ken says was the lack of photos of Allan online

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<v Speaker 2>at all. That false positive is the only photo at

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<v Speaker 2>all that the program picked up of the late Alan Metcalf.

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<v Speaker 3>We jump online to discuss this. I ask him if that's.

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<v Speaker 8>Unusual, very unusual, absolutely, you know, someone that has been

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<v Speaker 8>spooking a company like this and has been making the

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<v Speaker 8>type of claims that he's making. I'm very surprised that

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<v Speaker 8>there's not more photos. There should be a bunch of

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<v Speaker 8>photos of him online. You know, normally these things end

0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:10.160
<v Speaker 8>up in some sort of articles. It's a controversial subject

0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:14.840
<v Speaker 8>that he's talking about. So when someone speaks about something controversial,

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<v Speaker 8>there's always a lot of people that want to post

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<v Speaker 8>about that. So I'm surprised there's not more images of

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<v Speaker 8>this guy on the internet. That to me kind of

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<v Speaker 8>was a red flag.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think that means when there's just

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<v Speaker 2>not many pictures of them on the internet.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, one thing it means is that someone may have

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<v Speaker 8>changed their identity, their real identity. They could have changed

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<v Speaker 8>their name, they could have had a criminal record, and

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<v Speaker 8>they could have suddenly sprung up under a brand new identity.

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<v Speaker 8>For a person his age to not have any images

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<v Speaker 8>on Google, which has been in operation now for over

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<v Speaker 8>thirty years, that's unusual. The other reason why somebody's photos

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<v Speaker 8>would have disappeared is that they can hire an internet

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<v Speaker 8>clean up company and they can get their images removed.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean people can do that. It's a red flag,

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<v Speaker 8>and I tend to think that there's some reason that

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<v Speaker 8>we don't know about why he has either cleaned up

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:12.399
<v Speaker 8>his image on the Internet or why he doesn't have

0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:15.199
<v Speaker 8>more published photos. A man of his age and with

0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 8>his alleged credentials, I'm very surprised that there's nothing more there.

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<v Speaker 8>So I think if you dug deeper, I think you

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<v Speaker 8>would find that there may be some adverse reason why

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<v Speaker 8>he's not there.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have dug deeply into Alan's history and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think the situation Ken's describing applies here. I found

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<v Speaker 2>information and photos from when Alan was quite young, not

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<v Speaker 2>to mention the numerous YouTube videos he made. The other

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<v Speaker 2>option is internet cleanup companies otherwise known as reputation management services.

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<v Speaker 2>I do some research and learn they work in a

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<v Speaker 2>number of ways. Most of them have a goal of

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<v Speaker 2>driving negative search results about their clients off the first

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<v Speaker 2>page or two of Google, as very few people will

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<v Speaker 2>ever look past that. They do this in a variety

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<v Speaker 2>of ways. Some will create new positive blog posts and

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<v Speaker 2>articles about you designed to reach the top of Google

0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:12.680
<v Speaker 2>and push the negative results further down. Others issued takedown

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<v Speaker 2>notices and copyright claims to have content removed from news articles.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a number of these services in Australia, and

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<v Speaker 2>precisely zero of them are willing to talk to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hardly surprising given the nature of their jobs. While

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<v Speaker 2>Alan's use of one of these services is entirely possible,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't prove it one way or the other, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I find myself at another dead end. To answer

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<v Speaker 2>the question that many have whispered about, is Alan dead?

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<v Speaker 3>I believe he is.

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<v Speaker 2>While there might have been motive and means to disappear,

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<v Speaker 2>there are no signs of life, no suspicious trails of money,

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<v Speaker 2>no flags on facial recognition searches. His death was, by

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<v Speaker 2>all accounts, unsurprising. There's nothing substantial to suggest he managed

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<v Speaker 2>to vanish to a level that has been undetectable in

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<v Speaker 2>the modern world. This was one of the many rabbit

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<v Speaker 2>holes I've gone down in search of the missing millions,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm running out of.

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<v Speaker 3>Theories to prove or disprove.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's one more possibility and it involves us megachurches

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<v Speaker 2>and ex President Donald Trump. Next episode is my final

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<v Speaker 2>chance to find the money before it slips through my fingers.

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<v Speaker 8>No Mighty better take control of this country.

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<v Speaker 2>And if the politicians are not going to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>I fear that citizens are in the first beginning.

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<v Speaker 6>If America embraces this technology, the American dream of life, liberty,

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<v Speaker 6>and the pursuit of personal happiness can be given to

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<v Speaker 6>the world to enshrine the American dream forever.

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<v Speaker 7>A lot of the money involved in American politics as

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<v Speaker 7>a scam, which is probably a particular to you guys

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<v Speaker 7>as well. The very very common thing in American politics

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<v Speaker 7>is they find someone who is rather naive. There's a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of money, you can believe that if they donate money,

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<v Speaker 7>they'll get something, and then the money just gets parketed.

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<v Speaker 1>I just kept thinking of myself, there's money vanishing here

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<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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