WEBVTT - Bonus: The Michael Jackson We Never Knew

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<v Speaker 1>Big day. Today, the Michael Jackson bio pick drops in cinemas.

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<v Speaker 2>Swinging the capital laughs.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Michael's success because a Jackson family, because the brand.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our copper caller, and we need to start selling.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm planning an international tour. This is just the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to think. I told you what to think.

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<v Speaker 1>With the movie dropping in cinemas today, we thought what

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<v Speaker 1>was he really like? And our next guest can tell

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<v Speaker 1>us he spent ten close years with Michael Jackson. He's

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<v Speaker 1>former bodyguard and good friend. Matt Fodesk.

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<v Speaker 4>You were Michael Jackson's bodyguard and his close friend, so

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<v Speaker 4>you know more about Michael Jackson than most people. When

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<v Speaker 4>a movie like this is being made, do the producers

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<v Speaker 4>or writers or directors come to you and ask you

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<v Speaker 4>for information about him?

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<v Speaker 5>Have you had any involvement in the film?

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<v Speaker 3>No on this this section, because the rumor is there's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a part too, So this film takes

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<v Speaker 3>you drops in nineteen eighty eight, I would have been

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<v Speaker 3>a primary school then. I do remember doing pe lessons

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<v Speaker 3>to the Bad Song and stuff like that, not knowing

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to go and end up being his

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<v Speaker 3>friend and bodyguard for ten years. But I think in

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<v Speaker 3>the second part there's going to be some definite questions

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<v Speaker 3>and queries and so forth. But every day of michael

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<v Speaker 3>life is very documented and a lot of people don't

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<v Speaker 3>realize that.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Out and about, he had his own film crew with him.

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<v Speaker 3>He believed, if life is worth living, it's worth recording.

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<v Speaker 3>So he journalized his whole life. So everything's the videographer

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<v Speaker 3>followed him everywhere. It's all archives, so they've got everything.

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<v Speaker 6>Really, So tell us about the Michael that you know

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<v Speaker 6>and remember, because I mean, from the outside looking in,

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<v Speaker 6>he looked like a complex character. What was it like

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<v Speaker 6>hanging out with Michael?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Michael's not your average guy. He was very super intelligent.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he used to read three to five non

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<v Speaker 3>fiction books per week. He would stay the greats and

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<v Speaker 3>make them, make them better. He was not the clown

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<v Speaker 3>or weirdo or whatever the world sees him as. He

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<v Speaker 3>was the greatest media manipulator I've ever met in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>And whatever he'd rite at a different city, he would

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<v Speaker 3>set at the table and get us all together and think, right,

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<v Speaker 3>how can we make front pages?

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<v Speaker 2>What can I do?

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<v Speaker 3>And if we went out for dinners, even at friends houses.

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<v Speaker 3>He would say, I need an hour to become Michael

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson and go off to the bedroom, put the lipstick

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<v Speaker 3>on and the sticky taking those and it was all

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<v Speaker 3>an act.

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<v Speaker 2>It was all on me.

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<v Speaker 3>O guy behind closed doors was pery jeans and a

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<v Speaker 3>T shirt, watch TV order, Curry drugs. Just unfortunately the

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<v Speaker 3>image backfired on him, and in the social media era,

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<v Speaker 3>the the the image he created when we used to

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<v Speaker 3>walk out to the fans at the hotels and and

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<v Speaker 3>go out to public of events, he'd all say to me, Matt,

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<v Speaker 3>make sure I want my life to be the greatest

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<v Speaker 3>show on Earth. Wow, yeah, the greatest mystery on Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>And we had to play that game for him with him,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we used to play bad cop and he

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<v Speaker 3>put on the high pitched voice and made sure the

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<v Speaker 3>face mask was on. People wondered what was behind it.

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<v Speaker 3>He would alter the makeup accordingly. But we had no

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<v Speaker 3>social media in his era, so he just started to

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<v Speaker 3>use the email before he died, that was basically about MySpace,

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<v Speaker 3>but so it was very different. When social media came out,

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<v Speaker 3>it backfired on him and people did really understand. Back then,

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<v Speaker 3>lots of people used image control, like you know, Madonna

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<v Speaker 3>used to be invent herself all the time, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry Prince.

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<v Speaker 2>And people like that.

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<v Speaker 4>So you're saying there was very much Michael Jackson the

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<v Speaker 4>human and then Michael Jackson the character, and they were

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<v Speaker 4>very different people.

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<v Speaker 3>He used to I remember driving with his brother, Tito

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson in California and Tito.

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<v Speaker 2>Was complaining to me.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, I my little brother Michael is that he

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<v Speaker 3>lives and breathes being Michael Jackson the performer.

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<v Speaker 2>He loved it. He would never switch off.

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<v Speaker 3>He literally was working day and night like the song,

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<v Speaker 3>and even at nighttimes he had a job to sleep,

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<v Speaker 3>he was recording and every day I used to have

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<v Speaker 3>a room adjacent to his living room and he used

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<v Speaker 3>to keep me up all night singing and playing Lionel

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<v Speaker 3>Richie and Diana Ross. And then he apologized the next day.

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<v Speaker 3>We go through the same routine and every single day

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<v Speaker 3>when we're on the road.

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<v Speaker 2>But he loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>But the Michael Jackson that wasn't the performer was a

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<v Speaker 3>very kind man and who lived for his children and

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<v Speaker 3>would do things for charities and stuff. But he would

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<v Speaker 3>never switch off. He'd always be recording new songs and

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<v Speaker 3>he wanted to be a movie director. That was his

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<v Speaker 3>goald in life.

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<v Speaker 1>I know with the movie there's a section where they

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<v Speaker 1>start to tackle the allegations around Michael, and apparently they

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<v Speaker 1>have to do race shoots on it. You were with

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<v Speaker 1>him for ten years. Do you remember your feeling when

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<v Speaker 1>news of allegations around Michael Brooke.

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<v Speaker 3>We knew so the nineteen ninety three obviously I would

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<v Speaker 3>have been at school, but it was mainstream media was

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<v Speaker 3>massive then, so I was aware of it even at school,

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<v Speaker 3>and there was always jokes about Wacko Jacko and Michael

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<v Speaker 3>being into young children and stuff and so forth. So

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<v Speaker 3>when I got to meet Michael nineteen ninety eight, then

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<v Speaker 3>I got to know the real guy. Now, if we're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about the last allegations where he was found not

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<v Speaker 3>guilty on those all counts, we kind of knew his charge.

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<v Speaker 3>Knew it was approaching even before approached. So when we

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<v Speaker 3>knew that Neverland was being raided and he was going

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<v Speaker 3>to be accused of child on the station and they're

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<v Speaker 3>not allowed to release the child's name, we knew exactly

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<v Speaker 3>who it was going to be because that family was

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<v Speaker 3>something else that we warned Michael all the time about it,

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<v Speaker 3>and they were taking advantage he was to give in.

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<v Speaker 3>They were foreign tangents, they were wrecking Neverland with the

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<v Speaker 3>quad bikes and stuff. So and we were feeding this

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<v Speaker 3>information back to him, and in the end he cut

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<v Speaker 3>them off and then kind of frets were made and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>So we were we were shocked that they went to

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<v Speaker 3>that length, but we kind of just thought they weren't money. Really,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's what happened in ninety three. Everyone thinks

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<v Speaker 3>that Michael was paid that family off. It wasn't Michael Jackson.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Michael Jackson's insurance company.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, hey, Matt, just in terms of his celebrity, and

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<v Speaker 6>you acted as his bodyguard for many years, were you

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<v Speaker 6>ever shocked at how, you know, how people acted around

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<v Speaker 6>Michael because he was.

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<v Speaker 5>The people, says Lauren, Like, I've never seen anything like that.

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<v Speaker 6>He was probably at one stage the most popular person

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<v Speaker 6>on the planet. Like, what was your experience, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>It was, Yeah, it was insane. I remember going to

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<v Speaker 3>a very famous person's wedding once and Michael was best man,

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<v Speaker 3>and everyone at the wedding were all Hollywood styles, major

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<v Speaker 3>TV movie Hollywood stars, and at the end of the wedding, ceremary.

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<v Speaker 3>They all mobbed him for his autograph or picture. We

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<v Speaker 3>had to we had to lock Michael away in a room.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like the Superstar of Superstar.

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<v Speaker 5>He is the celebrity, celebrity whose wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you guys remember him in Australia. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>sure how famous he got there. Guy called Yuri Geller,

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<v Speaker 3>famous for bend in spoons with a power of mind.

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<v Speaker 3>He was more like seventies, but one of Michael's best friends.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's a big time in America and around Europe.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't think he ventured out to Australia too much.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, and it was interesting to see that. But

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<v Speaker 3>everyone was trying to get him, get to him, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like Britney Spears would be hanging around and and she

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<v Speaker 3>she looked out to him. And we used to have

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<v Speaker 3>presidents ring us all the time, and he was too busy.

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<v Speaker 3>He would turn him away, like President Clinton used to

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<v Speaker 3>call all the time.

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<v Speaker 6>And yeah, yeah, literally that happened.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in London and the phone went I answered

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<v Speaker 3>its President Clinton. Can I speak to mister Jackson? And

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<v Speaker 3>I went into interrupt Michael. Mike was Father's day. I

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<v Speaker 3>remember very well. Michael was reading a book to his children.

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<v Speaker 2>They were in New York.

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<v Speaker 3>We were in London on loudspeaker for Father's Day, and

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<v Speaker 3>I said, President Clinton's on the phone for you, and

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<v Speaker 3>he said, Matt telling him to I'll call him back,

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<v Speaker 3>and his father's.

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<v Speaker 5>There to his kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Is carried on reading the story to Prince and Paris,

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<v Speaker 3>who were in New York. We're in London, and I

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<v Speaker 3>told President Clinton that he were calling him back.

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<v Speaker 1>How did that go?

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<v Speaker 2>He was fine. They were good friends, you know. He

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<v Speaker 2>was fine, but well, he's busy.

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<v Speaker 5>They just bill j popular.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he sorry? Did he pay?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I did it for free. I did it for free.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in the unusual situation. I've been in a

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<v Speaker 3>millionaire of my own business by the time in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that's why it works so well, is

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<v Speaker 3>that there was no financial transactions. It was he opened

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<v Speaker 3>awes from me. He taught me how to build the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest martial arts brand, franchise brand in the world, over

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand locations. He had the biggest merchandise brand in

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<v Speaker 3>deal with Pepsi Cola where he burnt his sculp and

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<v Speaker 3>I did it free. He offered money many times, but

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<v Speaker 3>I knew he was struggling financially.

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<v Speaker 2>I did want the money.

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<v Speaker 3>I had over one hundred staff that could help him out,

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<v Speaker 3>my brother in law, So it was a non transactual.

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<v Speaker 4>So you saw it has been good for your brand

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<v Speaker 4>to be his bodyguard, to show the world what you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Know if you think about it, I've got one of

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest children's organizations in the world. So at times

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<v Speaker 3>I had people in my ear saying, you're doing the

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<v Speaker 3>right thing here. You sure this guy is not guilty

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<v Speaker 3>because you're sticking your neck out for this man as

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<v Speaker 3>your mate, being seen with him all over the world.

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<v Speaker 3>But I knew the real Michael, knew what he was like.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean, I won't be talking to you

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<v Speaker 3>guys now. I being his friend and body got the

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<v Speaker 3>open doors. But I didn't realize at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>But how did the relationship start? How did you reach out?

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<v Speaker 1>How did you get into that position in the first place.

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<v Speaker 3>So I built the biggest martial arts chain in the world,

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<v Speaker 3>the Mattfest Martial Arts Schools that hit UK international media.

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<v Speaker 3>But he boy comes millionaire at nineteen. His best friend

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<v Speaker 3>saw it and Michael was already a black belt and

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<v Speaker 3>he wanted to meet me. He was interested in my

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<v Speaker 3>success and my ambition, and he wanted to work towards

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<v Speaker 3>his second to be black belt. That's what you see

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<v Speaker 3>some of his dance movies does kick some blocks and

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<v Speaker 3>so forth. So his best friend you that I could

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<v Speaker 3>be trusted with Michael and and we were friends for

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<v Speaker 3>a year training beforehand before he took over his security operation.

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<v Speaker 4>Gosh, he had a fascinating life. I did not know

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<v Speaker 4>who like. There's so much we do.

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<v Speaker 6>Not controversial as well? How do you how do you

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<v Speaker 6>expect this film to be received? Because because I canceled

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<v Speaker 6>is a is a word that gets bandied around. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>is Michael Jackson still canceled in many respects?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what? Every day? There's not a day

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK, I'm very known for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Jackson's bodyguarb also every thing out so I get

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<v Speaker 3>stopped or there's not a day I don't get a

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<v Speaker 3>DM or questioned about him. He's getting bigger and bigger

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<v Speaker 3>as the years go by. So I've got friends, we've

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<v Speaker 3>seen this movie. I was invited to a private screening,

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<v Speaker 3>but I couldn't make it to a business agreement. It's

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<v Speaker 3>controversial because they stopping it just before plastic surgeries. The allegations.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm not an idiot, I know exactly. The

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<v Speaker 3>media are going to go wild over this. That is

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<v Speaker 3>his brand has been whitewashed by the Michael Jackson State

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<v Speaker 3>who direct this will collaborate this for this movie with

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<v Speaker 3>Lionsgate Universal, So it's going to be controversial like the

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<v Speaker 3>Freddie Murcury.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just the same people who made the Freddie Murcury movie.

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<v Speaker 3>But what it will do is rebrand the Michael Jackson State.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to see kids moon walking at school again.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going to be which seem to like their MJ

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<v Speaker 4>musical as well, which just like tickets flew off the shelf.

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<v Speaker 5>So that and this is going to jump down and

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<v Speaker 5>do that, don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you can counsel Michael Jackson. I think

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<v Speaker 3>he's too big to be counting. It's been proven now

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<v Speaker 3>and this is just there's been lots of documentaries, negative

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<v Speaker 3>ones come out in the UK and Ireland about Michael

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<v Speaker 3>and just no one's watching, no one's listening anymore. It's

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<v Speaker 3>and for me, I would not hang around a man

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<v Speaker 3>for ten years, hang around my child.

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<v Speaker 2>I got six childs. Hang around my kids.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, and if I thought there was any

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<v Speaker 3>sighted bit the truth, I was sneaking women into his room.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the thing. The trouble you've got.

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<v Speaker 3>They've all signed NDA's or no one wants to go

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<v Speaker 3>with the narrative that man was a womanizer. He was

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<v Speaker 3>not interested in young boys, but he was brainwashed by Motown.

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<v Speaker 3>And I hope the movie will cover this, that you

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<v Speaker 3>cannot be shown to be married. When Tito got married,

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<v Speaker 3>the first Jackson be married, Michael was crying, so he

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<v Speaker 3>thought it was the end of his career. At the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the Jackson's he used to tell me this,

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<v Speaker 3>So towards the end of his life, he was gonna

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<v Speaker 3>He tried to make a documentary about his love life,

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<v Speaker 3>but Mianbushier screwed him up, and that was supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>cleanse his whole image and show the real him talk

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<v Speaker 3>about his relationship. I still speak to some of his

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<v Speaker 3>girlfriends that he had to this day. We're still in contact.

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<v Speaker 3>But no one wasted.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, just quickly, can you just take us behind the

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<v Speaker 4>curtain at Neverland? Like that place fascinated me where he leaved,

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<v Speaker 4>what went on there, like was it as kookie as

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<v Speaker 4>it seemed. Did he really he had a monkey or Bubbles?

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<v Speaker 4>Didn't he at one point?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was before he had many monkeys, but that

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<v Speaker 3>was before my my era. Bubbles had to go to

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<v Speaker 3>a zoo because when they become like teenage age, they

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<v Speaker 3>they get abusive, so he had to go to zoo.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in Miami right now.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm still alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah four yeah, yeah, here he comes. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>He Documentaries made about him all the time and people

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<v Speaker 3>try and visit him. He's an animal sanctuary being looked

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<v Speaker 3>after by the Jackson Estate in Florida.

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<v Speaker 5>But the whole place to look like a playground.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a playground, but once you left a few days,

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<v Speaker 3>you go crazy. I mean you go mad. It's this

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<v Speaker 3>like the music that you go to. So if you

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<v Speaker 3>guys over been to euro Disney or disney Land, but

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<v Speaker 3>the music's playing all the time in years and when

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<v Speaker 3>you're there, you never see Michael, who was like a

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<v Speaker 3>running joke. You never seen Michael never Land because he

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<v Speaker 3>just kept himself to hisself off in his room, in

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<v Speaker 3>his quarters, and very rarely would he come out because

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<v Speaker 3>the security would have to follow him around because people

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<v Speaker 3>would parachute in to try and get to meet him.

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<v Speaker 2>So even in his own privacy of his home, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the what was the craziest fan interaction, like

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<v Speaker 1>someone that had gone to an extreme level to get

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<v Speaker 1>to him.

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<v Speaker 3>So many I mean would find fans underneath his bed.

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<v Speaker 3>They would hide in the trolleys for room service, So

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<v Speaker 3>so we'd have to check the trolleys before we go

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<v Speaker 3>into the hotel rooms. Parachuting in to Netherland was a

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<v Speaker 3>very common one where am I and they did. The

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<v Speaker 3>security would run the quick MIKEL would run to the

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<v Speaker 3>panic room. And that's the room the media like to say,

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<v Speaker 3>is the sex chamber room off his bedroom. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 3>was built before he bought Neverland, and so he would

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<v Speaker 3>go there until head of security at Nevland said it

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<v Speaker 3>would save for him to come out.

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<v Speaker 5>So was he like he was so oh famous? Was

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<v Speaker 5>he scared about his popularity?

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<v Speaker 4>Was he scared someone was going to hurt him?

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<v Speaker 2>Towards the end, he was terrified.

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<v Speaker 3>But before before the allegations, no, but after two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and five things changed.

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<v Speaker 2>When we would go around people with shout abusive.

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<v Speaker 3>Comments to him to try and we would hear him

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<v Speaker 3>being shouted. People called him a pedophile, you know, which

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<v Speaker 3>we never got that before the trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt, what was your last interaction with Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to him two nights before he died.

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<v Speaker 3>He called me. He was panicking. He was asking for Joseph.

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<v Speaker 3>He called his dad, Joseph. He wanted to know if

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<v Speaker 3>I knew where Joseph was he was. I told him

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<v Speaker 3>I did. I gave him Joseph's number. His dad he

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<v Speaker 3>was in Vegas. Michael was in rehearsals at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>and I could tell Michael was not good and he

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<v Speaker 3>was on some kind of substance. He told me he

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<v Speaker 3>was on effort room, which the doctor gave him, which

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<v Speaker 3>kind of reassured me a little bit, which is not

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<v Speaker 3>uncommon for dancers to take. But he told me, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I won't swear the word he you because it's on

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<v Speaker 3>Nash Radio. But he told me, my dad is Joseph

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<v Speaker 3>is the only person who can sort this beep out

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<v Speaker 3>the situation, and they're working me to death. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>go on like this. And he spoke to my children,

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<v Speaker 3>and he spoke to my wife at the time, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's the last I heard. Then he left a message

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<v Speaker 3>on Joseph Jackson's ass the phone machine. Unfortunately, jose didn't

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<v Speaker 3>pick it up until after Michael passed away on the

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<v Speaker 3>Thursday morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, well, mate, look what. I can't thank you enough

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<v Speaker 1>for an insight you've given us this morning. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt the movie will be hard for you to watch,

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<v Speaker 1>but we really appreciate your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Mate, Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been nice to hear a very different side of

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<v Speaker 1>the man we thought we knew.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and I hope they take a part two past

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the fans are going to be disappointed because

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<v Speaker 3>they're gonna want to see the real guy. They've seen

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<v Speaker 3>the performer. They're gonna want to see the loneliness of sadness.

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<v Speaker 3>But let's see, let's see what happens. Is everything Michael

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<v Speaker 3>does as controversial, but I think this will be the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest movie of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my prediction.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, there go.

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<v Speaker 6>Jas and Lauren.

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<v Speaker 5>Lauren wake up feeling good. Follow them on the socials.

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<v Speaker 2>So h