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Speaker 1: I get a gang. It's the You Project. It's Tiffany Ankook,

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Speaker 1: It's Kelly Margaret Smith and I made that up. We'll

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Speaker 1: find out what it really is in a Mama. Craig

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Speaker 1: Anthony up the Bloody Project. That's you. It's a Friday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: This my third third podcast. Today it's been big Patty

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Speaker 1: UNI meeting. I've been writing my thesis. I met Scottie

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Speaker 1: Douglas this morning for some caffeine lifted heavy shit at

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Speaker 1: the gym. I spoke to Kelly on Messenger. That's a

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Speaker 1: weird format to make a phone call on. It even

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Speaker 1: sounds like you're ringing from Mars. And have you ever

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Speaker 1: called anyone tip on Messenger when you don't have their

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Speaker 1: actual phone number?

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Speaker 2: No, no use.

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Speaker 1: It's weird. It's weird. It's a little bit like you're

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Speaker 1: talking underwater. It's not quite a normal phone call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a bit weird. What don't't you two weeks?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I should actually have her number, Kell,

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Speaker 1: What is it? Just give it to me now? So

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Speaker 1: it's it's zero four, Yeah, it's one eight hundred hot.

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Speaker 1: That's it, Kelly Smith. Yeah, what's your middle name?

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Speaker 3: Kel It's Marie, So you.

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Speaker 1: Were close Kelleen, Marie Kelley Marie, Well that that kind

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Speaker 1: of Tiffany and Craig Anthony.

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Speaker 2: Kelley Marie Jane or An, wasn't it?

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Speaker 3: Or just nothing so front of the three. A few

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Speaker 3: people in my family don't have a middle name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah what Yeah, it doesn't really serve any purpose, does it?

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Speaker 1: A middle name? I've never really thought about this till

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Speaker 1: right now in sixty two years, and I'm sure we

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Speaker 1: don't really need a conversation around it, but fuck it

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Speaker 1: does it serve any purpose a middle name?

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Speaker 3: I think sometimes it does if people don't. I know

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Speaker 3: a few people who don't like the first name that

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Speaker 3: and just started using that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I guess there's that. There's that, or

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Speaker 1: people just make up a name. They just they just

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Speaker 1: That hasn't worked out well for him.

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Speaker 3: No, no need.

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Speaker 1: It is either one that's in the big house at

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Speaker 1: the moment, or am I getting my rappers mixed up?

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Speaker 3: I think you're getting the rappers with the hyphens mixed up?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Is it? I don't know, someone's in the big house.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I get them, you know me, I'm

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Speaker 1: all over the rappers. I mean, if you want an

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Speaker 1: update on all things rap or hip hop, I'm not

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Speaker 1: your guy. Tiff. How's your day been? How's your Friday been?

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Speaker 2: I've really enjoyed. It's been good. The sun's out, I've

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Speaker 2: been out and about. I've done some work, I've done

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Speaker 2: a potty with you, I'm doing my second one with you.

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Speaker 2: I've lifted me. Shit, could it get any better than that? Really?

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Speaker 1: Oh wow? What a dream day. I mean people think about,

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Speaker 1: you know, the best day of their life, and you've

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Speaker 1: only downhill from here, isn't it? Seeing me twice on

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Speaker 1: the interwebs my pretty little face and cal did you

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Speaker 1: have a good day? Also?

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Speaker 3: I've had a great day, had a great weekday, and

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Speaker 3: now I get to finish it with you guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really I mean most people would It's a

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Speaker 1: dream end to any week. I mean most people would

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Speaker 1: aspire to do a podcast with Tiff and I on

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: How many people do you reckon? Would be? If I said,

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Speaker 1: How many people, like, out of typically out of ten,

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Speaker 1: how many would want to do that? And how many

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Speaker 3: I think ten would say yes and ten would be terrified.

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Speaker 1: Oh so they'd say yes, but do it being terrified.

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Speaker 3: That's what I did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I really don't think that many people would

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Speaker 1: want to do it. But anyway, you did it. Here

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Speaker 1: you are and now you fucking just like Tiff, You've

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Speaker 1: of the listeners. Hey, here we go. What are we

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Speaker 1: talking about? What are we talking about? Quick? Hit me

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get this done quick. So I have

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Speaker 1: I'm ready. I was in a.

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Speaker 3: and she said to me, how do you think I went,

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Speaker 3: I said, yeah, great, you know, everybody got what they

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Speaker 3: She was okay, good, and I said, why were you

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Speaker 3: I said, can you please stop undervaluing yourself because they

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Speaker 3: give you that time, so therefore you're just as valuable

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Speaker 3: time's more important than mine, I'm not adding as much

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Speaker 1: That's a really interesting experience and I think we think

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Speaker 3: So therefore they must be contributing more. And I've got

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Speaker 1: So what do you think self worth ties into? Like,

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Speaker 1: what do you think where does the what I'm worth

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Speaker 1: I've just turned it around on you. You're welcome. Well,

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Speaker 3: I think it's all of it, And then I think

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Speaker 1: It's very hard for any of us. Well, it's not hard,

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Speaker 1: it's impossible. It's impossible for any of us to be

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Speaker 1: my own self esteem and my own fear. But I

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Speaker 1: can recognize that perhaps Tiff, who knows me quite well,

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Speaker 1: I think you could make it an eight or a nine.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I first started personal training. I was

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Speaker 1: working at Trackside Sports in Hampton, near the railway line.

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Speaker 1: I was earning twelve dollars now I was the gym manager.

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Speaker 1: I understood as my value monetarily, you know, financially, it's well,

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Speaker 1: if I'm going to do something for someone, whatever the

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Speaker 1: twelve to fourteen dollars an hour. And that's that's about

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Speaker 1: what I because that was my experience. You know, over

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Speaker 1: five years. That was very different. And so now year

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Speaker 1: eight of the podcast, year six of my PhD, which

431
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: has nearly finished, year sixty two of my life. I

432
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: want to do the things that fucking excite me and

433
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Speaker 1: have a team around me that if they want to

434
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Speaker 1: be involved with me, and I'm of value and service

435
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Speaker 1: to them, and there's synergy and we all want to

436
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: kind of head in the same direction that we're all

437
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: doing our own stuff. Like it doesn't excite me to

438
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Speaker 1: do a lot of you know, it's like every time

439
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: I every time I travel, it's like everything's organized. I

440
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: don't want to be booking shit. I don't want to

441
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: be I don't want to be having countless phone calls

442
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Speaker 1: with potential clients for things. I don't want to book

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Speaker 1: airfairs and transfers and hotels. And I can do it,

444
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Speaker 1: but it's not a great use of my time. And

445
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Speaker 1: what I want to do is I want to talk

446
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Speaker 1: to you know, once the deal's done and I know

447
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Speaker 1: I'm doing a gig, I want to talk to the

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Speaker 1: person that's running the event so I can get a

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Speaker 1: bit excited and get them excited, which I did that

450
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Speaker 1: this morning with someone I take notes, I start to

451
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Speaker 1: plan for the event, and then I want to turn

452
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Speaker 1: up and hopefully blow their fucking socks off and then

453
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Speaker 1: fly home. That's what I want to do, right, But

454
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Speaker 1: also there'll be times when it's not all shits and giggles.

455
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Speaker 1: But yeah, and then if you said to me, I

456
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Speaker 1: love fucking doing videos, I love being creative, I love

457
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Speaker 1: producing content put out to the world, I would say,

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Speaker 1: do it, even if you're not great at it, even

459
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Speaker 1: if you're not the best person for it. If you

460
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: said I love it, I really want to develop at it.

461
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: I want to maybe monetize it eventually, maybe not, don't know,

462
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Speaker 1: I would say that is what you should do if

463
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Speaker 1: you can still survive financially doing whatever it is you're

464
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Speaker 1: going to do as well as that. But yeah, I

465
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Speaker 1: think so few people get excited about shit, especially when

466
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Speaker 1: they're beyond eight. Talk to any fucking forty year old

467
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Speaker 1: about something that really excited about not much. Not much.

468
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Speaker 1: Talk to a sixty two year old like me. Fucking hell.

469
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Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to be negative. I'm like, how

470
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Speaker 1: good is it when there is something that we are

471
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Speaker 1: actually passionate about that we can dive into that might

472
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Speaker 1: help us grow, learn, evolved, become better, but also do

473
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Speaker 1: something good for the world. And at the same time,

474
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Speaker 1: like that shit excites me, like genuinely excites me.

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Speaker 3: See, I've been feeling that kind of passion and excitement

476
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: about And Tiff knows about this, but my TikTok shit

477
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: posts and it's this space where no one I know

478
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 3: follows me on there. So it's like this safe space

479
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: of just putting stuff out there that I wouldn't put

480
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Speaker 3: anywhere else. And it's really stupid, and I love it

481
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: and it makes me smile, and I just thought, I'm

482
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Speaker 3: going to keep doing it because I'm having so much

483
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Speaker 3: fun with it, and it's You're right, And I think

484
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: it's also the lack of excitement correlates with lack of fun,

485
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Speaker 3: and this is something that just is fun and so

486
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 3: I'm probably wasting way too much time on it, but

487
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: it's fun and I love it, so I'm going to

488
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Speaker 3: keep doing it.

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Speaker 1: I think making joy is more important than making money.

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Speaker 1: I think we have to make money. We have to

491
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Speaker 1: make money. Of course, I'm not saying don't make money.

492
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't make lots of money. But if

493
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Speaker 1: you're doing things that truly give you joy and happiness,

494
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: and you know, if you can weave in there some purpose,

495
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: and you know, I think that these things don't need

496
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: to live in isolation, you know, or silos where oh

497
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: I can I can do good things for people and

498
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: be hopefully a mentor or a coach or a role

499
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: model in some capacity for a few dysfunctional people who

500
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: want a role model like me. And I can also

501
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: make some dough. And I can also you know, entertain

502
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: people and be funny and inappropriate. And you know, that's

503
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: like all of these things can coexist. And you can

504
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: have your job, which I know you love, your job,

505
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: which is very meaningful and purposeful, and an environment and

506
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Speaker 1: a culture that you love, but also you can have

507
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: this so i'd hustle, or this side interest that is

508
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: just a different world where you're developing or expressing in

509
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Speaker 1: another way. And I think that I think whatever gets

510
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Speaker 1: you excited, do not fucking let that go, because I

511
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's just my observation and my experience,

512
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: so I'm not drawing any broad conclusions. But the filter

513
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: through which I see a lot of things going on

514
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: around me, and you know, in media and in social

515
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: media is that they're just ain't a lot of joy

516
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: or excitement, and I understand a lot of it because

517
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: of what's going on in the world. But yeah, I think.

518
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: I think also we have a responsibility individually to go

519
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Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going to create a life as

520
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Speaker 1: much as I can, as much as that is possible

521
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: for me. That is a good place to be. You know,

522
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Speaker 1: it's not TIFF's job to make my life good. It's

523
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Speaker 1: not Kelly's job to make me happy. As Ricky Gervais says,

524
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, your feelings are not my responsibility. That doesn't

525
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: mean we should be, you know, heartless pricks, lacking empathy.

526
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's nobody's job. For Craig Harper,

527
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Speaker 1: it's nobody's job to fix me, save me, or make

528
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Speaker 1: me better. That's my job. You know, it's your job, Kelly,

529
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: to make your life good. Nobody's else else's. It's your

530
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: job to make a good career. It's your job to

531
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: keep you in shape. And you know that's that that's

532
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: the human experience. Doesn't mean that other people can't support

533
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: or help or cheer. But yeah, that's my takee So

534
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: my question to you too, I don't mind who answers

535
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: this is is there anything that like, I know this

536
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: is pie in the sky stuff, but like if there was,

537
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: if you did have no fear and if you knew

538
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Speaker 1: that you would succeed, Like you knew you would succeed

539
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: twelve months twenty four months now from now, you know

540
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: you've succeeded at a level and there's been a few

541
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: speed bumps, but it's now going great. What is it

542
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: that you would like to be doing? TIF We might

543
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: start with you twelve to twenty four months from now

544
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: where you're going, you know that where you might currently

545
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: have some fear or apprehension. But what would you dive

546
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Speaker 1: into if you couldn't fail?

547
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: Ah? Well, I'm already doing it. But more like the speaking,

548
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: we're going to do more speaking in events and being

549
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: around people. I feel like I miss being around people

550
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: and holding events. You know, when I used to run

551
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: the overseas boxing retreats. I love that. I love creating communities,

552
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: and I just feel like maybe I missed that. So

553
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: in whatever context that rolled out, it didn't have to

554
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: be speaking in events, but something where I'm doing things

555
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: and bringing people together, hosting things.

556
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: Hmmm, and what so? Okay, other than speaking in events

557
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: like the here's what I'm Here's what I think like

558
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: speaking at events corporate gigs is largely dependent on you

559
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: getting bookings right, which is happening and developing. Is there

560
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: something that you like, a concept that you want to

561
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: develop where you could do like a weekend or a

562
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: three or a four day program where you do what

563
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: you've just described to me, where you're taking a bunch

564
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: of people away and you're you're leading it and it's all,

565
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, diving into the human experience and helping people

566
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Speaker 1: kind of with breakthroughs and breakdowns and breakups and all

567
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: of the human stuff. Is there something that you would

568
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: like to develop over the next year or two.

569
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's always been in my mind. And I

570
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: think we mentioned this morning. Patrick and I had a

571
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: chat recently and thought we might explore some ideas together

572
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: because boxing tai chi him. So, but yeah, it's always

573
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: been in my mind, and I definitely find that really appealing.

574
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: Cal What about you? Is there something that pie in

575
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: the sky that if you weren't, if you couldn't fail,

576
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Speaker 1: that you would do?

577
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: Write a book? Absolutely, write a book. So for as

578
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: long as I can remember, I've wanted to write, and

579
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: I do. And it's only been in the past six

580
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 3: months or so that I've been sharing that more so,

581
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: I actually have a plan in place, so I've been

582
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Speaker 3: publishing it to my sub stack probably once or twice

583
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: a week, and in twelve months time, I'm going to

584
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: have a look at all of that and see how

585
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: it all ties in and what there is and what

586
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: I could possibly piece together. So that's been a huge,

587
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Speaker 3: huge thing for me to get over the fear of

588
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: because there's so many people that are amazing writers and

589
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: I've been in all honest, you're probably quite lazy about

590
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 3: it and just thought, you know, time's been and gone,

591
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: so what's the point. And now I'm like, well, this

592
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 3: is something that it's always been on my mind. Stop

593
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: being scared. There's absolutely a point to it, and just

594
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: give it a go because I don't want to get

595
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: to however old I get to and think I should

596
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: have tried that.

597
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well how about this. Don't stop being scared, be

598
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: scared and do it, like in the middle of your fear.

599
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: Do the book in the middle of your fear. Fucking

600
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: join the gym in the middle. You know, it's like, well,

601
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: if you wait until you're not scared to write a book.

602
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: You're probably not going to write a book and you're

603
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: writing the book and you're talking about it publicly, which

604
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: is good, or you know you're planning the book. I mean,

605
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Speaker 1: I think it's in the writing or the book of

606
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: the book, or the joining of the gym, or the

607
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: going to jiu jitsu or the signing up to do

608
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: a course at university or whatever it is. For people

609
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: that are fearful, it's actually doing the process that removes

610
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: the fear. It's like, oh, when I'm not scared of this,

611
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: I'll go and do that. Well, No, that's how you

612
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: get rid of the fear is by you start scared,

613
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: and that's how the you know. It's like when I

614
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: started my current course, I was you know, by the

615
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: time it actually came around where I had to physically

616
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: show up and sit in a cubicle monash on November one,

617
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: nine two sorry, two thousand and nineteen, I was almost

618
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: resenting the fact that I'd said, yes, I was. I

619
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: was definitely wasn't. It wasn't a massive regret, but it

620
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 1: was like a low level regret. I'm like, a fuck,

621
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: what if I like the idea of this is not

622
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: the reality of this. And yeah, and I had, however

623
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: much fear you've got to write a book. I mean,

624
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: we can't compare, but I'm pretty sure my fear of

625
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: all of the potential bad outcomes of me thinking I

626
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: could do a fucking PhD. Like I constantly had these

627
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: dialogues with myself about why did you even like your

628
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: ego is so big that you couldn't recognize that this

629
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: is not for you, Like you couldn't recognize you're not

630
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: a PhD student. You know, you fell through your first degree.

631
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: And by the way, it's not the hardest degree. I

632
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: did a degree, and I did quite well. But it's

633
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: like it's exercise science. It's not fucking nuclear medicine. Is it?

634
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: Like you're not curing cancer or fucking launching space shuttles.

635
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: You can't, So fucking hell, what made you think you

636
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: could do this? And yeah, but you just got and

637
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: like six months in, I'm like less terrified, and then

638
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: down the track you think, like I look back, now,

639
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: I understand the fear, I understand the apprehension. I understand

640
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: the anxiety, and it wasn't without foundation or reason. It's

641
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: like I totally get it. But also I know, oh

642
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: so now that fear has gone. Now I've got more understanding,

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Speaker 1: more knowledge, more experience, and now I'm in a position

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Speaker 1: where I can, with not just theoretical understanding, but experiential understanding,

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Speaker 1: really support people who want to do, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of higher education later in life. I'm I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. Trust me, no one

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Speaker 1: was less prepared than me. So you know, all of

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Speaker 1: that stuff I think is you know, you'll write your book,

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Speaker 1: Your book will sell one copy or a million copies,

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Speaker 1: who knows, doesn't matter, because the real challenge is in

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Speaker 1: the writing and the doing and the producing and the creativity,

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Speaker 1: and then just then whatever happens with that happens. But

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Speaker 1: that's that's out of your control to an extent. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you can do I think you can both

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Speaker 1: do it. So consider yourselves encouraged, both you both you

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Speaker 1: if not slightly reprimanded and still my pants, yeah you

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Speaker 1: still you can still be shitting your pants.

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Well, I feel that was brief and that was good.

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Speaker 1: Tiff any closing thoughts or questions or comments or are

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Speaker 1: you about to go and eat some chicken?

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Speaker 2: I'm definitely going to go and eat some chicken. I'm chuffed,

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Speaker 2: so thank you very much

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Speaker 3: All right, Thankskel, Thanks Tiff, Thanks guys,