Speaker 1: I get a team. Welcome to another installment that you
Speaker 1: projector taps. It's jumbo, it's me, it's it's well. It's
Speaker 1: an interesting collective. I have here today because we are
Speaker 1: operating at a sixty six point sixty six recurring percentage
Speaker 1: of TIFFs. There's three people in the show. Two of
Speaker 1: them are called Tiff. I'm feeling outnumbered. I'm feeling marginalized.
Speaker 1: We'll go to Tiff with two e's. You'd be happy
Speaker 1: as a pig in shit, wouldn't you.
Speaker 2: You're out tifted, You're out Yeah.
Speaker 1: I am definitely out tifted now before we go to
Speaker 1: our guest. The actual the reason we're here not that
Speaker 1: you're not important. TC.
Speaker 2: I you.
Speaker 1: I was talking to you yesterday and one of my
Speaker 1: mates says this expression, flatter than a shit Carter's hat.
Speaker 1: Now you sounded listener, TIFs She's like, Tiff Fall's like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, they listen to how they talk on the show.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is nothing. This is not Channel ten. FU.
Speaker 1: You need to say at least one fuck today, Tift.
Speaker 1: Otherwise you don't. Otherwise you don't get your typ tick.
Speaker 1: So you were flat yesterday, TIF cook, what is going on?
Speaker 3: I was You know those days where you're just tired
Speaker 3: and you're a bit miserable and you just want to
Speaker 3: There are those days where actually the best thing would
Speaker 3: be to get out and be around people, but the
Speaker 3: hardest thing to do is get out and be around
Speaker 3: people because you feel like a misery gut. So that
Speaker 3: was me yesterday, dragging myself around going come on, TIF
Speaker 3: make a good decision.
Speaker 1: Well, so if yesterday were what were you? What were
Speaker 1: you out of ten emotionally and mentally yesterday? Give yourself
Speaker 1: a score maybe three? And what do you reckon? You
Speaker 1: are today?
Speaker 3: I reckon I'm on the upward and I'm rocketing to
Speaker 3: a solid seven and getting better as the day goes on.
Speaker 1: Well, I to talk about this, but let's introduce our
Speaker 1: actual guest, Tip All. Hi, tiff Aall, welcome to the
Speaker 1: You Project.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm bloody super excited because you're a big deal. I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't know which T shirt to wear? Do I
Speaker 1: wear the black one with Lonsdale? Do you wear?
Speaker 2: Oh You're funny?
Speaker 1: No one with everlast? I mean, fuck, I was holding
Speaker 1: up T shirts standing in front of the mirror.
Speaker 2: Look gorgeous.
Speaker 1: You look. Thank you fucking liar Pants on fire Welcome back,
Speaker 1: It's Tiff Pants on fire Hall. Now everyone knows who
Speaker 1: you are you of course, Well, you're an athlete, you're
Speaker 1: still an athlete. You're a presenter, a journalist, you're an author,
Speaker 1: you're a mum, you're a wife, you're an ex gladiator,
Speaker 1: you're a host. Like your busy as fuck, I think
Speaker 1: in science. So thanks for taking an hour out of
Speaker 1: the busyness. What are you doing today? What's taking other
Speaker 1: than this? What's taken your attention today?
Speaker 2: Run a business? So it was a meeting with our CEO,
Speaker 2: and I did some training this morning and that's pretty
Speaker 2: much where I've got to But yeah, the business does
Speaker 2: take up a lot of my time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, I'd like to put you two in an octagon,
Speaker 1: not a boxing ring, because well, TIFFs a boxer and
Speaker 1: you're a fucking fifteenth dan black belt in is it taekwondo?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Taekwondo? Yeah yeah, So I would.
Speaker 1: Like to just lock that cage, shut, stand, get myself,
Speaker 1: I get myself a protein drink, jump in a bean.
Speaker 2: Bag, and I don't think what would do any good.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Although I have seen some UFC fighters
Speaker 2: use the taekwondo very efficiently. They're kicks and things, but
Speaker 2: I think a boxer would win.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, once you kick her in the head.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but you've got to get that kick and
Speaker 2: you've got to have the distance, right. Oh, it's tough.
Speaker 1: Well, arguably arguably the biggest UFC personality in the world,
Speaker 1: although not a competitor, but strongly tied to the UFC,
Speaker 1: of course, Joe Rogan. He's a very famous taekwondo black
Speaker 1: belt and that was his That was the roots of
Speaker 1: his martial arts, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good foundation. It is actually a really
Speaker 2: really good foundation for all other martial arts. It is.
Speaker 2: I've loved it.
Speaker 1: Just explain to our non martial arts listeners the difference
Speaker 1: between say, karate, you know, taekwondo. I mean, well, obviously
Speaker 1: it's vastly different to jiu jitsu and all of those things,
Speaker 1: but just kind of the snapshot of what is. And
Speaker 1: of course we've had Lauren Burns on my Yes love laws.
Speaker 2: My dad goes straight at the Olympics, so really yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: she's like part of the family. Yeah, I love her.
Speaker 1: She's a fucking gun and also a brain yak too.
Speaker 2: Yes, isn't she? Oh, she's the best.
Speaker 1: Annoying. Isn't an annoying when things drew foul?
Speaker 2: Threat? She's amazing at everything.
Speaker 1: You go, okay yourself. So what's taekwondo?
Speaker 2: So, taekwondo is a Korean martial art, whereas karate is
Speaker 2: a Japanese martial art, and it is a dynamic kicking sport.
Speaker 2: So if you look at the sport of taekwondo at
Speaker 2: the Olympics, it's not really using your hands at all.
Speaker 2: You're just kicking. You can throw a body punch and
Speaker 2: get a point, but it is predominantly kicking martial art.
Speaker 2: Although the sport of taekwondo is very different to the
Speaker 2: martial art of taekwondo, and the martial arts still has
Speaker 2: the patterns or the karters they're called in karate, and
Speaker 2: we do a lot of self defense, and we do
Speaker 2: a lot of grappling, and we do a lot of everything,
Speaker 2: a lot of mixed martial arts within it. But the
Speaker 2: sport of taekwondo is predominantly kicking, so it's very different
Speaker 2: to other martial arts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you see yourself? And I mean this is
Speaker 1: just a matter of perception, so no right or wrong.
Speaker 1: But do you see like you do a lot of things.
Speaker 1: You're an author, you know, putting aside the mum and
Speaker 1: the wife thing, but in terms of just like the
Speaker 1: stuff that you do so author present a journalist. You know,
Speaker 1: you went to UNI bah blah blah. Do you see
Speaker 1: yourself or do you feel first and foremost like an
Speaker 1: athlete who does other stuff? Do you feel like you
Speaker 1: know the other thing that now does taekwondo? I feel
Speaker 1: like you're at your heart an athlete.
Speaker 2: I am at my heart. It's such a good question,
Speaker 2: and I think you know, I was quite brainy at
Speaker 2: school and I love school and I love studying, and
Speaker 2: I almost got a perfect ATR like you're, you know,
Speaker 2: in year twelve, and because I got basically ninety nine,
Speaker 2: I felt compelled to do something with it. And I
Speaker 2: was like, well, I could do law, I could do medicine.
Speaker 2: And there was a journalism degree and you need a
Speaker 2: ninety eight point seventy five to get into that at
Speaker 2: Melbourne University, and so I sort of felt compelled to
Speaker 2: do that. And my father, being an Olympic coach who
Speaker 2: is also a world fighter, that was his job. He
Speaker 2: went around the world fighting. He has always said, don't
Speaker 2: be an athlete, don't be a fighter, don't do that.
Speaker 2: You get one injury and it's all over. There's no
Speaker 2: you know, you're done in your thirties, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: So I was very much of I've got to get
Speaker 2: an education, I've got to go to UNI. I've got
Speaker 2: to get a job other than the personal training or
Speaker 2: the passion stuff that I was doing at the time.
Speaker 2: And I was teaching body pump, body combat, doing boot camps,
Speaker 2: doing personal training, doing all of the fitness stuff. But
Speaker 2: just felt compelled that I had to go and do
Speaker 2: the university. And I did. I got my degree, and
Speaker 2: I got diploma in languages as well. And I did
Speaker 2: it but only for a heartbeat because as soon as
Speaker 2: I saw a little article in the newspaper to do
Speaker 2: a fitness test, me and my boyfriend at the time
Speaker 2: said we've got to go do this fitness test with
Speaker 2: everyone else in Melbourne. And I passed the fitness test.
Speaker 2: He didn't. And that was actually the audition for gladiators,
Speaker 2: but I didn't know it was an audition for TV,
Speaker 2: and so I just accidentally got through this grueling fitness
Speaker 2: test and they said, ah, hired as Gladiator Angel and
Speaker 2: I was like, what what is this? And I just
Speaker 2: gave up. I was at the Herald Sun at the time,
Speaker 2: doing like an internship and stuff and was very much
Speaker 2: wanting to do journalism. But then I just started doing
Speaker 2: more fitness stuff and fitness on TV, and then I
Speaker 2: just have gravitated towards it. I think my parents being
Speaker 2: fitness instructors too. It's just in my blood. I just
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but now it's like you have almost this synthesis
Speaker 1: of writing and media and creativity and sport, and it's
Speaker 1: like you've brought it all together to make your own
Speaker 1: bloody casserole. Anyway.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, very much so. And now that I run
Speaker 2: the business, which is an app, my TXO, and it's
Speaker 2: got you know, your fitness, your workouts, your mindfulness, your meals,
Speaker 2: your recipes, all of that stuff. It's a home of
Speaker 2: women's wellness. It I'm always writing a blog or you know,
Speaker 2: doing some kind of media to and using these skills always.
Speaker 2: And you know, whether it's doing my own podcast or
Speaker 2: I'm always writing, I'm always using that doing ad copy
Speaker 2: or even you know, social media. It's a lot of writing,
Speaker 2: and I really enjoy bringing it all together. But I'm
Speaker 2: very happy that I've always followed my passion and that
Speaker 2: has always been movement. And you know, I'm forty this year,
Speaker 2: and I am having a lot of issues with injuries.
Speaker 2: But my husband said to me, it's like you've been
Speaker 2: an athlete and you've had a career into your forties.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. You know, it's pretty good. And now
Speaker 2: my my athletic pursuits are just being able to record
Speaker 2: the many, many fitness videos for the app. So I'll
Speaker 2: do like forty a day, and there it's quite ruling
Speaker 2: on the body. Forty videos, forty videos a day over
Speaker 2: like three or four days. Yeah. Wow, it's like it's
Speaker 2: a huge load on the body, big volume. And I
Speaker 2: used to do it easily in my twenties, but now
Speaker 2: I'm carrying up righters in my knees and I've had
Speaker 2: rist reconstructions and I just I really have to modify,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I have to change things around a little
Speaker 2: bit nowadays because I am noticing that I am I'm struggling.
Speaker 2: I'm at that time in my life where every athlete
Speaker 2: gets to, you.
Speaker 1: Know, how long are those videos?
Speaker 2: Tips they can be anything from five to twenty minutes. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So and I do take breaks and think forty a
Speaker 2: day yeah yeah, because you know, I'm a business and
Speaker 2: we need to be cost effective and we hire the
Speaker 2: crew and we need to get it all done in
Speaker 2: a matter of one or two days. And I train
Speaker 2: for it and I make sure that I'm ready. But
Speaker 2: it's huge on the nervous system. It's really huge on
Speaker 2: the nervous system. And I do crash afterwards. It's very hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's literally like prepping for a tournament or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a two day huge tournament. Right.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, this is my you know event now, and
Speaker 2: I do it, you know, every couple of months. And
Speaker 2: I really do have to train and make sure that
Speaker 2: I'm doing all the right recovery protocols and things like
Speaker 2: that to make sure I can get there. But I
Speaker 2: have I do carry a lot of injuries from combat days,
Speaker 2: gladiators things like that, and the injuries get to me.
Speaker 2: It's really really hard. It's really it's getting harder. And
Speaker 2: plus I had two babies, which I count as major injuries.
Speaker 2: Being pregnant as a fitness person wasn't easy. And then
Speaker 2: I put on a lot of weight and then you know,
Speaker 2: I had to get fit and strong again, and I
Speaker 2: wanted to get fit and strong again, but it was
Speaker 2: it was just two of the biggest things I've ever
Speaker 2: happened to my body. You know, my body is my work,
Speaker 2: so it was tough.
Speaker 1: Give the app a plug. Just while we're talking about
Speaker 1: your app and your business, yes, tell everyone what it is.
Speaker 2: So it's my TXO and it's available in all app
Speaker 2: stores and things at soft launch. At the moment, we're
Speaker 2: still tweaking things. But the website is mytxo dot com.
Speaker 2: That's where everything's available and you can read about it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's my heart and soul and been doing
Speaker 2: it for now eight years in business, which is big
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of a lot of competition in
Speaker 2: the fitness app space, a lot of free workouts on YouTube,
Speaker 2: and if I can hold my own against all of that,
Speaker 2: I'm proud of myself.
Speaker 1: Well congrats, that's amazing. So my TXO, everyone go check
Speaker 1: that out. That'd be awesome. A couple of things, like
Speaker 1: things that I'm genuinely just curious about. So according to
Speaker 1: my notes, you know, I do extensive research TIF sometimes
Speaker 1: one to three minutes today I would have done too well. Actually,
Speaker 1: there's a strategy in my lack of strategy, and it
Speaker 1: is like I like to have an organic conversation and
Speaker 1: find stuff out there as we go, rather than I
Speaker 1: know all the answers to the questions I'm asking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did read that you are a sixth STAN black belt.
Speaker 1: Maybe still is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct, And I'm Cookie one official, which means
Speaker 2: the World Typeweter Federation. In Korea, there's the Cookie one
Speaker 2: World Typewonda Federation, So you can get you could get
Speaker 2: any instructor to just grade you and just say I'm
Speaker 2: a sixth stand. But I had to send off videos
Speaker 2: and go write a thesis and go through all all
Speaker 2: of those things and submit it to Korea, and hey,
Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of dollars in order to go through
Speaker 2: the process to become certified as Cookie one sixth STAN
Speaker 2: and the problem and it's really hard because you need
Speaker 2: to be certified as a fifth, the fourth and third, second, first,
Speaker 2: and so this is something I've been working towards since
Speaker 2: I was, you know, in my early twenties. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: taken twenty years and it's one of the highest ranks
Speaker 2: you can have as a female martial artist at my age,
Speaker 2: so you know, it's it's a big deal. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I now focus more on coaching, not so much competing,
Speaker 2: and really really do love the coaching and the self
Speaker 2: defense and that side of things, which I think is
Speaker 2: so important, especially with everything that's going on now with
Speaker 2: violence towards women. I think, you know, we're taught first
Speaker 2: aid in school, and we're taught, you know, sex ed.
Speaker 2: Why aren't we taught a bit of self defense that
Speaker 2: can save your life. I just don't get it. So
Speaker 2: I've been in schools doing a lot of self defense stuff.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent I agree, and I think it's amazing
Speaker 1: that you're doing that. Tell me a little bit about
Speaker 1: navigating media, public attention, fame, all that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: that comes with and body dysc morphea, not necessarily you,
Speaker 1: but body you know, Like I've always had body issues.
Speaker 1: I would say I'm a lot better these days, but
Speaker 1: you know, eating issues, fucking eating disorders, disordered, like not
Speaker 1: like identifying getting my sense of self through my body
Speaker 1: and the fuck even like I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people think it's just a female thing. It's a fucking
Speaker 1: everyone's Yes, I've always been insecure about my body. What
Speaker 1: about you know, as much or as little as you want,
Speaker 1: but what about navigating that mental and emotional mindfield of
Speaker 1: having to look a certain way and be a certain way?
Speaker 1: How had that gone for you young?
Speaker 2: When I was younger, in my twenties and I was
Speaker 2: doing the Biggest Loser and it was tally and a
Speaker 2: million viewers every night, four nights a week, we were,
Speaker 2: you know, always being photographed and recognized, and you know,
Speaker 2: it was hard to I felt pressure back then, but
Speaker 2: one way I've always dealt with it, and something that
Speaker 2: comes back to my parents. They put me into taekwondo.
Speaker 2: They put me into the dough boc, the white pajamas
Speaker 2: that you train in, and that was it. I wasn't
Speaker 2: in a ballet litad or anything, and you were covered
Speaker 2: and it wasn't about what your body looks like. It's
Speaker 2: about how your body performs. And I'd always say to myself, Okay,
Speaker 2: if you're fit, if you're healthy, your body's going to
Speaker 2: look and reward you and be a certain way. So
Speaker 2: I did focus on that health and that fitness, you know,
Speaker 2: throughout those years, but I felt enormous pressure and it
Speaker 2: all culminated when I had my first baby and I
Speaker 2: had a sick pregnancy. I was eating a lot of
Speaker 2: salt and fat because I was vomiting all the time,
Speaker 2: and the salt and fat made me feel better than
Speaker 2: eating like slimy veggies and fish and protein, which made
Speaker 2: me feel like vomiting more. I put on forty kilows
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, I had the baby and
Speaker 2: I was a trainer like I was forty kilos overweight.
Speaker 2: I went from a size six to a size twenty two,
Speaker 2: and I had this huge thing happened in my brain
Speaker 2: where it was like, oh my god, if I don't
Speaker 2: look like a fitness professional, if I don't look fit
Speaker 2: and look like a trainer, will people trust me? Will
Speaker 2: I have members? Will this business go down the gurgler?
Speaker 2: Because I have lost my body, which was a billboard
Speaker 2: for health and fitness and looking after yourself and all
Speaker 2: of this. Fair enough, I'd had a baby and being
Speaker 2: pregnant and all of that, but I had put on
Speaker 2: the weight, I had eatn the food. I had not
Speaker 2: exercised because I'd been sick, and i'd nine months later,
Speaker 2: I was in all sorts and so it was a
Speaker 2: really hard time, and I didn't deal with it very well,
Speaker 2: and so my dealing strategy, my coping mechanism, was to
Speaker 2: come out to people publicly and say I put on weight.
Speaker 2: I posted a photo of myself in my underwear, overweight
Speaker 2: with the baby, and was like, Okay, this is a
Speaker 2: postpart and body, right, I'm going to get my fitness
Speaker 2: and strength back. I'm going to take my time. And
Speaker 2: at the time, I was already being contacted by magazines
Speaker 2: to do covers and I hadn't even really even gotten
Speaker 2: out of hospital yet, like I hadn't even you know,
Speaker 2: finished having the baby, and people were asking me to
Speaker 2: do the bounce back photos. So I kind of hook
Speaker 2: the photo I'm underwhear and I was like, I'm not
Speaker 2: bouncing back. I hate the bounce back culture. I think
Speaker 2: it's toxic. And I'm going to bounce forward and take
Speaker 2: my time, and I'm going to do it properly and
Speaker 2: build that foundation of strength and conditioning that I know
Speaker 2: you need and pelvic floor and all the important little
Speaker 2: muscles that get forgotten and neglected, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: do it right. And it took me two years to
Speaker 2: lose the weight and to get strong and fit again,
Speaker 2: but I did. And I was then contacted by Chris
Speaker 2: Hemsworth to be his director of training for his app center,
Speaker 2: and I flew around the world with him with my
Speaker 2: baby in peak condition, you know, breastfeeding, then training with Chris,
Speaker 2: then filming, and it was just one of the biggest
Speaker 2: We went to London when he was doing Men in Black,
Speaker 2: we were following him to Byron, all the time, to
Speaker 2: New York. We're going everywhere, and it was a really
Speaker 2: good experience. But it just taught me to, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: don't get caught up in pressure, but go back to
Speaker 2: the foundation of who you are, which is, you know,
Speaker 2: really respecting the process of fitness. And if you are fit,
Speaker 2: then you're going to look good. So you got to
Speaker 2: focus on that fitness. Man, you can't focus on the
Speaker 2: weight loss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what you said? Some well, all
Speaker 1: of that was amazing, but I'd never thought about the
Speaker 1: bonus of you know, the white pajamas, the gee whatever.
Speaker 1: H Like, I'm like, that is so true, and it's
Speaker 1: so good that you kind of covered from neck to
Speaker 1: so relieving, and it's like, oh yeah, there's no objectification
Speaker 1: because everyone's just wearing the same shit.
Speaker 2: And it's always the same as girls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all about function. It's not about look or
Speaker 1: fashion or bullshit. No, yeah, that is that is a
Speaker 1: good Yeah. Sorry, I reckon. If I was a parent,
Speaker 1: I would that would be one of the things that
Speaker 1: might tip me to get my kids into a martial art.
Speaker 1: I think that is such a nice idea.
Speaker 2: It's so lovely and it's great. I think it's great
Speaker 2: for girls and boys. But for me, I felt such freedom.
Speaker 2: And I didn't grow up with social media. Hey, I
Speaker 2: was on TV before social media, like TV was a thing,
Speaker 2: you know. And then my manager said to me, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, we've got this person. They're interested in an
Speaker 2: ambassadorship with you, you know, a client. Oh, and they're
Speaker 2: not interested that you're getting a million viewers every night
Speaker 2: on the Biggest Loser. They want to know your Instagram followers.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what is Instagram? Like, I wasn't even
Speaker 2: on Instagram. So I joined late and now I go
Speaker 2: to the gym and everyone's got a tripod and they're
Speaker 2: taking selfies of their butts and they're doing all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And I just wasn't. That wasn't fitness to me growing up,
Speaker 2: Like it was wasn't about your body, So it's it's
Speaker 2: all changed so much, and there's so much social media
Speaker 2: pressure on young people and it breaks my heart and
Speaker 2: I just that's why I'm so passionate about martial arts.
Speaker 2: I really do think it gives you a good foundation
Speaker 2: of strength and conditioning, self defense and also positive body image.
Speaker 1: Wow. So what does the pendulum swing from crazy, busy, mayhem,
Speaker 1: focus productivity? What's the opposite look like for you? How
Speaker 1: do you switch off? How do you how do you
Speaker 1: be the calm and the chaos? What's your go to?
Speaker 2: Well? I try and be smart with my work and
Speaker 2: I have like Monday Fridays that are pretty quiet and
Speaker 2: I bulk record a lot of stuff so that I
Speaker 2: can have days off camera and days off my phone,
Speaker 2: days not engaging at all. And that way I'm with
Speaker 2: the kids and I'm present and I chill and I'm
Speaker 2: like anyone else and love just to watch Netflix and
Speaker 2: relax or I play the piano that I find very
Speaker 2: relaxing as well. And you know, I have days off
Speaker 2: training and I just recover or I sauna or you know,
Speaker 2: I do make sure that I have those mental health days,
Speaker 2: which I call the mental health days because I know
Speaker 2: that if I keep going at a certain pace, I
Speaker 2: just burn out. So and I say that to my team,
Speaker 2: I say, I'm having a mental health day, Like, don't
Speaker 2: contact me. I'm just with kids and people. They respect that,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Do you ever like one of the things with I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're a type a personality, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you are. Of course you are. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: so is Tiff and maybe so am I to a point.
Speaker 1: But like I put up a post this morning. I
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly, but it said something like climbing a
Speaker 1: mountains great as long as you're climbing.
Speaker 2: The right mountains or that yes, And I'm like.
Speaker 1: And I feel like for me, and it's not necessarily that.
Speaker 1: It's like I was climbing a mountain. I had, you know,
Speaker 1: multiple gyms and all this stuff, and I built all
Speaker 1: this shit and it definitely wasn't bad. But I think
Speaker 1: sometimes you get to the top of the mountain and
Speaker 1: you're like yeah, yeah, and then a day, lady you're
Speaker 1: like and then a week lady, you're like yeah, and
Speaker 1: then lady you're like, what the fuck am I doing
Speaker 1: on the top of this mountain? Or do you know
Speaker 1: when you know, it's like you've written books, You've done
Speaker 1: all this awesome shit, a million viewers, and I biggest loser,
Speaker 1: fucking farc everyone from the outside looking in, it's Disneyland.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. But I know and you know that when
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of what appears to be a
Speaker 1: super success story, it doesn't always feel that way, right,
Speaker 1: Like there's the there's the the appearance of success, and
Speaker 1: then there's the experience. Yes, about that for you, like
Speaker 1: do you feel like are you ever satisfied? Are you calm?
Speaker 1: Are you content? Are you insatiable? Like with all this shit?
Speaker 1: How do you navigate that emotional stuff within within? You know?
Speaker 1: Like this, but I reckon, I know, I definitely know
Speaker 1: a disproportionate number of wealthy, successful, high profile people who
Speaker 1: are more anxious, more depressed, and more medicated than that
Speaker 1: vert Ofcomma's typical normal people that I know, yeah about
Speaker 1: a bit.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the experience. I think in my twenties,
Speaker 2: when I was on TV and I was writing What's
Speaker 2: of books and I was always looking for the next
Speaker 2: thing and it was all about profile, I definitely was
Speaker 2: insatiable and it was always the next thing, the next thing,
Speaker 2: what's next, What's next? And I wasn't really happy when
Speaker 2: I had kids. I had to slow down and I
Speaker 2: had to prioritize, and it just taught me that I
Speaker 2: couldn't have it all, not at one time. And now
Speaker 2: I only have two things I focus on. It's the
Speaker 2: business and the kids, and that's it. And I don't
Speaker 2: want to do television ever again. I don't want those
Speaker 2: intense months and periods of time where you have to
Speaker 2: give up your life and just do that, and you
Speaker 2: know there's no balance, and you know, TV is intense.
Speaker 2: And I'd start at five am and I'd finish sometimes
Speaker 2: at nine or ten at night, and that would go
Speaker 2: for seven days and there was pressure of weigh ins
Speaker 2: and all of that stuff, and you know, it wasn't normal,
Speaker 2: and then it finishes and it was like, oh now
Speaker 2: what like was? I felt lost? But I don't feel
Speaker 2: that now because I think with social media, with the
Speaker 2: way my business runs, it's all about connection to women.
Speaker 2: And I get contacted all day, DMS, emails for our
Speaker 2: help desk, Facebook community group. People are always chatting to me,
Speaker 2: and I feel very much part of this safe space
Speaker 2: and this nice little tribe and cult where we can,
Speaker 2: and you know, just try and be better together and
Speaker 2: feel well and do things that make us feel good.
Speaker 2: And I feel like I'm taking them along the ride
Speaker 2: with me through bad days and good days. And as
Speaker 2: long as I keep honest with the conversation and you know,
Speaker 2: really honest and I am about my bad days, then
Speaker 2: it kind of it's healthier for me than trying to
Speaker 2: be perfect and you know, a certain body fat percentage,
Speaker 2: and you know, on tally, I try and really keep
Speaker 2: it real. And that's been saving grace these past few
Speaker 2: years for me, because if it's just too hard to
Speaker 2: try and keep your Instagram curated and perfect and you know,
Speaker 2: and have that be the perception for people, I like
Speaker 2: to try and keep it more real and that I'm
Speaker 2: just juggling everything as a mum like anyone else, and
Speaker 2: that I just did some TV back in the day.
Speaker 2: My husband still does television, he does radio. He's very
Speaker 2: comfortable in that space. He loves it. But I couldn't
Speaker 2: think of anything worse. Let him do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a big he's a big funny bastard. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you listen to this, you're a big funny bastard.
Speaker 1: I have a man crush on you. But anyway, you
Speaker 1: probably have a lot of those. You know. It's interesting
Speaker 1: Tiff and Tiff once again, everyone, it's a two third
Speaker 1: tip ratio. Today. I feel very fucking I feel like
Speaker 1: a minority on my own show because I am Tiff Cook.
Speaker 1: Feel free to jump in. I was chatting yesterday. It's
Speaker 1: not up. By the time this goes up, it might
Speaker 1: be up. With Josh Lenardowitz, the bodybuilder. You know him big?
Speaker 2: No, I don't know, I will, okay.
Speaker 1: So Big Josh is Big. Josh is arguably Australia's best
Speaker 1: ever bodybuilder. One.
Speaker 2: He's really handsome, yeah.
Speaker 1: Real good looking.
Speaker 2: Yeah I do you know him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so not me? Yeah. So he competed twice in
Speaker 1: the Mister Olympia all this stuff, and anyway, he's been
Speaker 1: through some shit lately and dealing with a couple of
Speaker 1: health issues. This is documented. He had a like a
Speaker 1: tumor inside his skull, a bone tumor, so not a
Speaker 1: brain tumor, but so it was benign, but it was anyway,
Speaker 1: there was a few. Anyway, he's been battling some shit.
Speaker 1: But we were talking about which is why I was
Speaker 1: in to talk to Tiff Cook at the start about
Speaker 1: just having bad days. And we were chatting and he
Speaker 1: wasn't having a great day, and we had this podcast book,
Speaker 1: and I said, good, let's have a chat on a
Speaker 1: day that's not great, because guess what, lots of people
Speaker 1: have lots of shit days, and we don't all need
Speaker 1: to be love and light and unicorns and pumping our
Speaker 1: fists and winning every day. It's like, the practical reality
Speaker 1: is that life service. Life's a bitch and sometimes like
Speaker 1: beautiful and amazing, and you know, we're just all trying
Speaker 1: to figure shit out. But something that you talking about
Speaker 1: being on Gladiators and we were talking about the idea
Speaker 1: of standing on a stage tip, especially in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: when the overriding messages, hey, it doesn't matter what you
Speaker 1: look like. Yes, then you go stand on a bodybuilding
Speaker 1: stage and that's all that matters.
Speaker 2: Are you being judged, Yeah, like.
Speaker 1: You're literally being judged, not metaphorically.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I guess I don't know, did you. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming and my assumption could be wrong, but I'm assuming
Speaker 1: that as Angel the Gladiator, you needed to look a
Speaker 1: certain way or you would get the ass.
Speaker 2: It was a real problem because I was very small
Speaker 2: and the smallest gladiating history in the world, according to
Speaker 2: all the the big fans that have all the gladiators
Speaker 2: statistics and things. I'm only one hundred and sixty four
Speaker 2: centimeters five foot four and I was under fifty five
Speaker 2: kilos so light. I couldn't even see over the gauntlet
Speaker 2: like and I couldn't even get up the pyramid because
Speaker 2: I was so short. So they put me in the
Speaker 2: on the aerial games up in the sky. I did
Speaker 2: hang tough and pendulum and all the aerial games, and
Speaker 2: it was very good at that because I could break
Speaker 2: fall with all my martial arts experience, I could look
Speaker 2: after the competitors and they never got hurt. And I
Speaker 2: love the aerial games. But they said, okay, if you
Speaker 2: can't when we don't have time to bulk you up,
Speaker 2: because I wasn't a bulky big person, but they wanted
Speaker 2: to lean me up, so I had to lose more
Speaker 2: weight in order to have more definition in order to
Speaker 2: look bigger on camera, because camera does make you look
Speaker 2: a bit bigger, and that to me was a bit hard.
Speaker 2: So I was on a diet and they Channel seven
Speaker 2: provided the food. It was like just fish and vegge
Speaker 2: and very dangerous. And I remember getting into that disordered
Speaker 2: eating kind of mentality where I was only eating what
Speaker 2: Channel seven gave me. I was super scared to eat
Speaker 2: anything outside of the little plastic containers they gave gave me.
Speaker 2: I was very underweight, I think, especially for a contact
Speaker 2: sport like it's contact. I was getting hurt and breaking
Speaker 2: ribs and stuff like that easily, when usually with a
Speaker 2: bit more padding in taekwondo and stuff. I never experienced that.
Speaker 2: So it was very tough and I just didn't have
Speaker 2: the time to build the muscle, you know, it takes
Speaker 2: a long time. And this was TV. Everything has to
Speaker 2: happen yesterday, and so I just went on this diet
Speaker 2: and I looked shredded. I had abs on abs and
Speaker 2: veins in abs, and like I did get shredded. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I was just too light for it. Crazy times.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because like, as an athlete, it is
Speaker 1: all about performance and function. Yes, like what you look
Speaker 1: like is irrelevant. I mean, you're probably going to look
Speaker 1: pretty good if you're an athlete anyway, but that's not
Speaker 1: the point. Like it's all about performance, it's about functional physiology.
Speaker 1: It's about can you do what you need? It's about strength, power, speed, agility,
Speaker 1: coordination for you skill of course, but then they're not
Speaker 1: worried about that, they're worried about what you look like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It's so ridiculous. And we weren't playing on the games
Speaker 2: and we didn't have access to them, so we had
Speaker 2: to train. I trained on monkey bars for Hang Tough
Speaker 2: because I thought, well, that makes sense. I'll get my
Speaker 2: hang strength and like my grip's strength going. And I
Speaker 2: was just trying to work it out myself. And then
Speaker 2: on the day, literally audience TV cameras rolling, first time
Speaker 2: trying the games myself. Oh it was a mental time.
Speaker 2: It was really mental. And I was young and I was,
Speaker 2: you know, in my early twenties and impressionable and really
Speaker 2: struggled coming off gladiators, thinking I had to maintain that look,
Speaker 2: you know, I was a gladiator, should look like a gladiator.
Speaker 2: When I went back to being a healthy wait healthy
Speaker 2: for running and puck wandoing and doing all the things
Speaker 2: that I loved doing strength training, and yeah I did,
Speaker 2: I struggled with that kind of body image stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't until like I met my husband, and
Speaker 2: you know, I kind of was like snap out of it,
Speaker 2: like that's not you weren't actually performing and at your
Speaker 2: peak of fitness and strength back then, you were weak,
Speaker 2: you know, because you were under eating, you know, so
Speaker 2: you got to have a stern word with yourself. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it's very.
Speaker 1: Hard just out of interest.
Speaker 2: Oh six ' five, Yeah, we look ridiculous together.
Speaker 1: That's well. I hope you got some serious bug and
Speaker 1: high heels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: Do you guys ever work out together? Do you train together?
Speaker 2: No, we have a rule we're not allowed to because
Speaker 2: I end up trying to coach him or saying he
Speaker 2: can do one more set, or like you can live
Speaker 2: heavier than that, or giving him a technique tip or
Speaker 2: something like that and he corracs it. But he's very good.
Speaker 2: He actually has his personal training qualification. He did that
Speaker 2: early on. He's very proficient in the gym. He will
Speaker 2: take my advice. But we don't train together. We just
Speaker 2: get a little bit, I get under his skin. I
Speaker 2: just like try and make him do something better or
Speaker 2: showing him something new, or he just doesn't want to
Speaker 2: hear it. So you know, we have separate gym memberships
Speaker 2: are different gyms.
Speaker 1: Oh really, that's hilarious. That is hilarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that hardcore.
Speaker 1: Do you have a parenting style in Inverted Commas that
Speaker 1: you could describe as a freestyle? Is it strategic? Is
Speaker 1: it organic? Do you? Is it something you developed? Like
Speaker 1: do you attention to any of the experts in Inverted Commas?
Speaker 2: I do pay attention to I like Maggie Denton Connected Parenting,
Speaker 2: and I do pay attention and I feel like I
Speaker 2: need to learn. I really do. It's something that's developing.
Speaker 2: I don't prescribe to a type of parenting, although I
Speaker 2: do like routine, and I think routine gives my children safety.
Speaker 2: They know what's coming next, and like they have a
Speaker 2: time that they go and have a nap, and they
Speaker 2: have a dinner time and a bath time those kind
Speaker 2: of simple things and a bedtime And it's not like
Speaker 2: I just let them be up all night and they'll
Speaker 2: tell me when they're tired and go to bed. I
Speaker 2: do have a routine with them, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I am just learning. I mean, my youngest is one,
Speaker 2: Arnold is six, and I feel like I'm failing on
Speaker 2: a daily basis with them. Our family pet died our
Speaker 2: dog yesterday. Talk about bad days, Yeah, very bad. He
Speaker 2: had terminal cancer. We had to put him down, so
Speaker 2: very tough. But that's where I was challenged because the
Speaker 2: kids were so upset and I had to deal with
Speaker 2: that and explain about let you going over the rainbow
Speaker 2: bridge to pet paradise and where he was going to
Speaker 2: be happy and maybe come back. You know, he was
Speaker 2: ready as another puppy or something. And it was just
Speaker 2: all really hard thinking, oh gosh, are we religious? Do
Speaker 2: I bring in religion? Or do I is this heaven?
Speaker 2: Or like what do I It was really hard in
Speaker 2: managing trying to coregulate Arnold's emotions, and there was heavy
Speaker 2: sadness and heavy topics I just and also the thing
Speaker 2: of do I let him say goodbye to the dog
Speaker 2: before we put him down? Or do we put him
Speaker 2: down and then say the dog has gone over the
Speaker 2: rainbow bridge? Do you know what I mean? Like, all
Speaker 2: those decisions are really hard. I did let Arnold have
Speaker 2: make the choice would you like to say goodbye to Fletcher?
Speaker 2: And he did. He went and gave him a pat
Speaker 2: and a kiss and a cuddle and they had to play.
Speaker 2: And I think that was healthy for Arnold, But I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if I'm stuffing him up
Speaker 2: every day. I honestly don't. It's the hardest gig in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're doing a brilliant job.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you.
Speaker 1: If that just hit you, didn't it typical?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yes, yeah, jes a dog.
Speaker 1: We're kind of dogaholics here.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, you understand because I never know. It's such
Speaker 2: I've felt flat, all weak, like like you tif, like,
Speaker 2: just really not performing. I had to cancel a few
Speaker 2: things I had. I have just it really knocked me,
Speaker 2: could not stop crying. Terrible when you have to make
Speaker 2: the decision whether they live or die. As well, and
Speaker 2: he was very ill and we had amputated his leg,
Speaker 2: so he was on three legs to try and get
Speaker 2: the tumor off and save him. But he and we
Speaker 2: went through the trauma of amputating his leg and then
Speaker 2: he died. Anyway, it's really sad. It's horrible. You just think,
Speaker 2: did I make the right decision? And every days like that,
Speaker 2: I think with kids, you just think I did I
Speaker 2: Did I fuck that up? You know, honestly, And there's
Speaker 2: my f word for the day, Did I fuck that up?
Speaker 2: Because honestly it is. I go to bed most nights
Speaker 2: thinking geez, I did not nail today as a parent.
Speaker 2: And it's the biggest load I think, mental load.
Speaker 1: How long ago tiff Cook was did coach pass away?
Speaker 3: It's two years now?
Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah, because that feels like I don't know, four months.
Speaker 1: I know it's not it feels like four months ago.
Speaker 3: It feels really recent. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't get easy, does it? And no, it
Speaker 2: hangs around like, yeah, because Arnold was asking me today
Speaker 2: on the way to school, when will I feel better?
Speaker 2: And I thought, wow, not for a while. And it's
Speaker 2: a process. There's a process to grief. And you know,
Speaker 2: we're in the crying tiery, can't talk stage.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Well, I think like nobody's really trained for parenthood, are they.
Speaker 1: It's like when you do anything for the first time,
Speaker 1: whether it's go on gladiators, start a business, write a book,
Speaker 1: become a parent, go do a degree, like you just
Speaker 1: you know, of course people can advise you, but you
Speaker 1: can only really really learn experientially in the middle of it.
Speaker 2: Like, yes, you're going to funk some.
Speaker 1: Things up, You're going to get some things right, you
Speaker 1: know you're going to have a slightly different approach with
Speaker 1: number two than you did with numbers.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, it's really hard. And I couldn't believe
Speaker 2: that I had a baby. And then they said at
Speaker 2: the hospital, okay, off you go home. I was like,
Speaker 2: are we going to do a class? Are we going
Speaker 2: to have like give me notes? Because I love notes,
Speaker 2: I love studying, Like, give me some notes. I don't
Speaker 2: know what to do with this baby. And then you know,
Speaker 2: we're struggling. How do you get a newborn to sleep?
Speaker 2: That was that really did me in. It just that
Speaker 2: was such a hard time, you know, and they do
Speaker 2: eventually sleep, but learning beating and breastfeeding and all of
Speaker 2: that stuff, like it was it was pretty hardcore, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: really need a manual for a baby.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm going to ask you a few philosophical questions. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll see where we go. So you are forty on
Speaker 1: July the eleventh, just off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: Oh no, not really off the.
Speaker 1: Top of my head. I've got notes. So one day
Speaker 1: you're going to be forty five if everything goes great
Speaker 1: on Planet TIF, what will life look like when you're
Speaker 1: forty five. What do you think if everything goes according
Speaker 1: to plan and you're winning life, what will you be
Speaker 1: doing when you're forty five?
Speaker 2: Do you think forty five, I would love to still
Speaker 2: be doing the business. But business is hard, and I've
Speaker 2: had a few components of the business not work, and
Speaker 2: like I had an active wear line for example, that
Speaker 2: I just could not keep going with and it pulled
Speaker 2: my focus from the fitness stuff. And you know, I've
Speaker 2: had a few hard times with business. It would be
Speaker 2: really nice if at forty five I could be earning
Speaker 2: a living for my business and be really happy just
Speaker 2: doing that. And my goal is to earn enough to
Speaker 2: relieve the pressure of my husband who has that. You know,
Speaker 2: he's very grateful for his TV and radio work, but
Speaker 2: it is contract to contract work, and he can have
Speaker 2: everything this year and on the first of January next
Speaker 2: year have nothing, and then financially, what do you do?
Speaker 2: What do you do? So I would love to say, hey, baby,
Speaker 2: it's okay, don't stress, I've got this. You know, I
Speaker 2: would love for the business to prosper enough for Ed
Speaker 2: to just chill and do his passion projects. You know,
Speaker 2: at the moment it's not at that level. But that's
Speaker 2: what I would love in the next five years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: good for you.
Speaker 1: It's a grind, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: It's a grind, all right.
Speaker 1: Next question, what is something significant, tiv Hall that you
Speaker 1: have changed your mind on. It could be in the
Speaker 1: last six months or in the last ten years, or
Speaker 1: a belief that you have that got challenged and now
Speaker 1: you have a new belief. There's something that did a
Speaker 1: one at on.
Speaker 2: I came from taekwondo and it was all about speed,
Speaker 2: and I always did like lightweights and I never touched
Speaker 2: the heavy weights. And then I think that in my
Speaker 2: twenties I was a cardio bunny as well, and I
Speaker 2: have just changed my attitude on the power of strength training.
Speaker 2: Odd yeah, And how transformative it is for your hormones,
Speaker 2: for your metabolism, for your body, for your mind. It's
Speaker 2: something that you don't have to rely on your mood.
Speaker 2: Like cardio, you go, I feel great, I'm going to
Speaker 2: go for a run, but when you feel flat, you
Speaker 2: don't really feel like doing cardio, and then you blow
Speaker 2: off cardio. But I feel with weight training you can
Speaker 2: do it no matter how you feel. I just I always,
Speaker 2: I never never really believed in the strength training enough
Speaker 2: to do it, but now I since having injuries, it
Speaker 2: is the most important thing that I'm doing. And especially
Speaker 2: because I'm going to hit perimenopause and move into menopause
Speaker 2: territory over the next ten to fifteen years, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to train for that and build strong muscles that are
Speaker 2: you know, fat factories, and you know, just really work
Speaker 2: hard for my body and look after it, especially because
Speaker 2: I've got arthritis in my knees. You know, I'm really
Speaker 2: trying to build muscles around my knees to hold them up.
Speaker 2: Vm O fastest, absolutely, so you know what, I love.
Speaker 1: Fat fat factories. Like people don't understand having more muscle
Speaker 1: lean in listeners, Having more muscle helps you burn more
Speaker 1: fat at rest because muscles what we call metabolically active,
Speaker 1: which helps you stay lean. So one, you're improving bone
Speaker 1: density and cognitive function and functional strength and movement and capability,
Speaker 1: but also lifting weights, which doesn't seem like but it
Speaker 1: actually helps you stay lean, which is fucking amazing. I'm
Speaker 1: super proud of you for lifting heavy shit. Well done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying. I don't live very heavy, but I try.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you do. Okay, I'll tell you who's pretty strong.
Speaker 1: The other tip, she's a fucking unit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she also girl girl power.
Speaker 1: She got me covered. But that's not hard. I'm a hundred.
Speaker 1: So here's my next somewhat philosophical question. Have you had
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have or maybe you haven't, but in
Speaker 1: your life like a almost like an epiphany moment, I reckon,
Speaker 1: I've had in my life for maybe like moments where
Speaker 1: I went oh fuck, like like somebody pulled back a
Speaker 1: curtain and I just had this revelation or this recognition
Speaker 1: of something that I needed to know or be made
Speaker 1: aware of or change. Have you had any epiphany moments
Speaker 1: over your almost forty years?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. So in two thousand and nineteen to twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: through COVID and all that, I got burnt out. But
Speaker 2: I was clinically diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, which felt
Speaker 2: to me like a life sentence because they're like there's
Speaker 2: no cure, like just that's it's the end of you.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, hang on a minute. I do fitness
Speaker 2: stuff like I need to move an exercise, and they said, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's the worst thing you can do for your condition.
Speaker 2: And so I came out publicly and said, I've got
Speaker 2: this chronic fatigue thing. I can't work. The business is
Speaker 2: going down the toilet, and I need to recover. I
Speaker 2: don't know how I'm going to do it, and I
Speaker 2: don't know when I'll be back, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: go do it. And it was a big moment in
Speaker 2: my life where I had to stop. I was doing
Speaker 2: too much and I had to really look at recovery.
Speaker 2: I had to really look at my mental health. I
Speaker 2: had to really look at the way I was doing stuff,
Speaker 2: and it was pulling back to bare necessity and basics
Speaker 2: and the basic stuff of drinking water, sunlight. Like I
Speaker 2: was so fatigued, I couldn't even walk to my mailbox,
Speaker 2: you know. And I would just stand with my feet
Speaker 2: in grass, trying to just ground myself and get some sunlight.
Speaker 2: And I had a trainer who would physically move my
Speaker 2: body into a stretch position, and I remember being moved
Speaker 2: into like this thoracic kind of stretch and just be
Speaker 2: sitting there in the sunshine, going, oh my god, my
Speaker 2: life is over. And they test you for depression and
Speaker 2: your heart and all this stuff, and nothing came up.
Speaker 2: It was just my nervous system had gone. I've had enough.
Speaker 2: And I learned so much about nervous system back then,
Speaker 2: and I think that that is everything. Now I don't train.
Speaker 2: I don't train my nervous system anymore, you know, with
Speaker 2: sprint training and cardio and high intensity and big volume
Speaker 2: days and things like that I don't go back to
Speaker 2: back with filming days and things like that. I've put
Speaker 2: rest days in between now and I make sure that
Speaker 2: my sympathetic nervous system is stimulated all the time, and
Speaker 2: you know, I make sure that the vegas nerve is stimulated.
Speaker 2: And I just I just really am looking after myself
Speaker 2: because you can't pall from an empty cup. But I
Speaker 2: was pouring from an empty cup for a long time.
Speaker 2: And that's not health and fitness, and that's not being healthy,
Speaker 2: and that's not what I need to help other people do.
Speaker 2: So it was a huge moment and it took me. Well.
Speaker 2: I think I'm still recovering, to be honest, I still
Speaker 2: can't do the exercise and train at the capacity that
Speaker 2: I did before I had that nervous system breakdown. I reckon,
Speaker 2: I'll call it. I still can't. I have to have
Speaker 2: rest days. I have to go to bed early. I
Speaker 2: still have to do things that I've never recovered from it,
Speaker 2: but I am still very functional now. But it was
Speaker 2: definitely a moment where it was like, if you keep going,
Speaker 2: you seriously are not going to ever be able to
Speaker 2: walk like it was. It was so bad, It was
Speaker 2: really really bad.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. Look, I think for people, I think
Speaker 1: probably all three of us on this particular episode, you know,
Speaker 1: there's have a propensity to overdo shit. There's fucking oh,
Speaker 1: there's a revelation, you know, like there's a fine line
Speaker 1: between discipline and obsession. Yes, you know, discipline is in control,
Speaker 1: obsession is out of control. And you know, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I was you know whatever,
Speaker 1: fat fourteen year old, all that bullshit. But I ended
Speaker 1: up starting to train, and when I trained, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, life got amazingly better, you know, like socially, emotionally, mentally, physically.
Speaker 1: And then you get all this approval and all this
Speaker 1: recognition and all this acceptance because you're not the fat
Speaker 1: kid anymore. You're the athlete now, and all of this
Speaker 1: great shit happens. And then so that's like a drug.
Speaker 1: So I went, well, if X is good, then two
Speaker 1: x's fucking twice as good, and five X must be incredible.
Speaker 1: So I'm doing five X and then you know there's
Speaker 1: no logic in that, but there's kind of just this
Speaker 1: emotional kind of story. And yeah, i'd same. I just
Speaker 1: got to the point when I opened my first PT
Speaker 1: center tip, which was in nineteen ninety when you were six.
Speaker 1: That's annoying anyway, When when I opened my first one,
Speaker 1: there was none right, there was none in Australia, and
Speaker 1: I had no staff. It was just me. So I
Speaker 1: had this fifteen hundred hundred and fifty fifteen hundred foot
Speaker 1: square space. I spent all the money in the world
Speaker 1: that I had, all of the money in the world.
Speaker 1: I sold everything that I could sell I got, took
Speaker 1: all the money out of my bank account except two
Speaker 1: hundred dollars, and I basically created a small commercial gym.
Speaker 1: But it was only for me and my client anyway,
Speaker 1: the first week that I opened, because I already had
Speaker 1: a business, but I was based in I was based
Speaker 1: in public gyms, training my clients. But the first week
Speaker 1: I opened, I did over sixty hours of PT. But
Speaker 1: then on top of that, you know, I'm cleaning the gym.
Speaker 2: I'm changing your running a business.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to fucking do admin. I don't know what
Speaker 1: admin is. I'm trying to you know. And then anyway,
Speaker 1: so I was, you know, within the first four weeks,
Speaker 1: I was completely fucked because I was working eighty nine
Speaker 1: hours a week and getting getting to the gym at
Speaker 1: four am and cleaning and and I just I got
Speaker 1: to this point where I thought I'm going to have
Speaker 1: a breakdown, and my training was going backwards, and I thought,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to so I in a rare
Speaker 1: moment of clarity and logic, I said, right, I'm going
Speaker 1: to train Monday, Wednesday, Friday for three months. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to go from seven days to three days. And
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like, I know that I'll go backwards,
Speaker 1: but I won't go too far backwards. And that will
Speaker 1: that means I'll be you know, I won't be overtrained,
Speaker 1: i won't be under recovered, i won't be so exhausted.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to focus on my business and my clients,
Speaker 1: building knowledge, skills, all that shit, and just do three
Speaker 1: workouts a week and whatever will happen will happen. Fuck it,
Speaker 1: I'll cope. Yeah, and of course you know what I'm
Speaker 1: going to say. And over three months, I got bigger
Speaker 1: and stronger, like a motherfucker because I was having four
Speaker 1: days a week of recovery and my body loved it
Speaker 1: because I had zero days. I went from no recovery
Speaker 1: to all the recovery and even though mentally and emotionally
Speaker 1: I hated it, you know. So there is that real
Speaker 1: I think for people especially who are the type one perfectionist,
Speaker 1: you know, like to That's why I reckon it is
Speaker 1: good to have a trainer or a coach or a
Speaker 1: mentor that that isn't you, because it's hard for you
Speaker 1: to be objective about you because you're tiff you know.
Speaker 1: So it's that subjective thing, all right. So one more question.
Speaker 1: It's a two part question to finish. So one is
Speaker 1: what is your superpower? Don't overthink it? First thing that
Speaker 1: comes to mind? What is your superpower? And part B
Speaker 1: is what is something that you need to get better at?
Speaker 2: Superpower is I think I really am able to relate
Speaker 2: to women and women they meet me in the street
Speaker 2: and I get the whole life story and it's like
Speaker 2: we've known each other for ten years. But I've met
Speaker 2: her for ten seconds and there's a nice trust and
Speaker 2: I think I really value that and I love that
Speaker 2: and I think in connected to women in that way
Speaker 2: is something that I really cherish. So that's that's part one.
Speaker 2: I think something I need to get better at. I
Speaker 2: think I still need to get better at listening to
Speaker 2: my body, because, like you said, I just will push
Speaker 2: and push and push until there's nothing left. And I'm
Speaker 2: still learning to pull myself up and still learning to say, hey,
Speaker 2: if you crush, then nothing that doesn't help your family,
Speaker 2: that doesn't help your business. You know. I'm I'm I
Speaker 2: just I just have to listen to myself because I
Speaker 2: am my worst enemy.
Speaker 1: I think, well, I hope you listen to that body
Speaker 1: because it's smarter than you, just like my body smarter
Speaker 1: than me. Tiffany Elizabeth Hall. Tell people how they can
Speaker 1: how they can find you, follow you, connect with you
Speaker 1: and buy your books and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, connect with me on Instagram at tiff Hall
Speaker 2: Underscore XO. My website is mytech dot com. I'll keep
Speaker 2: it simple and just leave it at that, and I
Speaker 2: just DM me, reach out to me. You'll find a way.
Speaker 2: Just there. I'm everywhere, Facebook, Twitter and anything, but I'm
Speaker 2: predominantly on Instagram. So just DM me and I'd love
Speaker 2: to hear your questions or yeah, just have a chat.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I really appreciate you. I know
Speaker 1: you're a very, very busy person and this is quite
Speaker 1: a chunk of time out of your day and I'm.
Speaker 2: Very I've enjoyed it. Thank you so much for having me.