Speaker 1: She told me she has been told to be weary
Speaker 1: of the owner at Kendon I know, and she moved
Speaker 1: into Bargo.
Speaker 2: She was scared.
Speaker 3: He was sort of there in the background listening to.
Speaker 2: What was going on.
Speaker 4: Kevin looks at me and says he's lying. He would
Speaker 4: tell me how the lion get away of life, for example.
Speaker 4: You know, keep the details short and simple, never over exaggerate.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the sixth update episode of Dear Rochelle. You're
Speaker 5: behind the scenes access to this live podcast investigation series.
Speaker 5: I'm your host, Ashley Hanson. Since the series began, so
Speaker 5: many of you have reached out with information about the case.
Speaker 5: It's a reminder that even the smallest memory could be
Speaker 5: the missing piece. We're still encouraging anyone who might know
Speaker 5: anything to get in touch, whether you want to speak
Speaker 5: anonymously or on the record. In this bonus episode, I'm
Speaker 5: joined by retired New South Wales detects you Damian Loon,
Speaker 5: Rochelle's sister, Christy, her mum Anne, and Mindy, Christie's best friend. Together,
Speaker 5: we'll go through some of the tips we've received and
Speaker 5: the people.
Speaker 6: Who we've since spoken to. We'll start with Wendy.
Speaker 5: She was Rochelle's nail technician and got in touch a
Speaker 5: few weeks ago. She told us that Rochelle called her
Speaker 5: on the Thursday afternoon she went missing.
Speaker 1: I owned a nail someone in Rosemeadow and Rachel was
Speaker 1: a client who used to come in and that's where
Speaker 1: I met her. Very funny lady. She never wasn't a regular.
Speaker 1: She used to come, you know, she'd come, try to
Speaker 1: come to get an in fields and that done, and
Speaker 1: then you wouldn't see her for.
Speaker 2: A couple of months and she'd just rock up. Can
Speaker 2: I get a full set?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: She never kept up with the maintenance. She wasn't one
Speaker 1: to do that, you know. It was just, oh, I
Speaker 1: just need a full set. She used to bite the
Speaker 1: nails down to nothing, always trying to stick on her nail,
Speaker 1: you know, when there's hardly in the nail bed there.
Speaker 1: That Thursday she rang me wanting her to getting her
Speaker 1: nails done. Wanted a full set again. I couldn't fit
Speaker 1: her in. She wanted the afternoon because she was on
Speaker 1: her way to Belmore to get the car radio fixed.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it was her car radio or
Speaker 1: was it a car for work. I can't remember, but
Speaker 1: she was on a way to Bellmore because she was
Speaker 1: driving and on the phone that she wanted to come
Speaker 1: in after that about four point thirty five to come
Speaker 1: in get her nails done, and I couldn't fit her
Speaker 1: in because they're regulars.
Speaker 2: I told her could do her.
Speaker 1: In the morning, nine o'clock, so she said, yeah, she'd
Speaker 1: have that appointment.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that was the last I spoke to her.
Speaker 5: And what makes you so convinced that she was driving
Speaker 5: at the time?
Speaker 1: I could hear it. I still remember that phone call.
Speaker 1: Yeah she was driving, Yeah, she was driving, definitely driving
Speaker 1: on her mobile while she she was going to Belmore
Speaker 1: to get this car radio fixed. There's be half us too,
Speaker 1: because I know I was getting ready to go and
Speaker 1: pick up kids from school.
Speaker 5: And did she tell you anything about her plans for
Speaker 5: the June long weekend?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, I wish to God that i'd, let you know,
Speaker 1: squeezed her in and had a good old chat with
Speaker 1: her and found out.
Speaker 2: I really wish I did.
Speaker 5: How often did Rachelle come and get her nails done
Speaker 5: from you? And what did she tell you about her life?
Speaker 1: She used to come, like I said, periodically, she'd come off.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I wouldn't see her two three months,
Speaker 1: but then I'd see her where every month or every day.
Speaker 1: She did keep up in the in fields for a
Speaker 1: little while, and you know, we'd sit there and have
Speaker 1: a chat. And you know, I used to let us
Speaker 1: choose to smoke and the selling She's going to kitchen's
Speaker 1: part and have a cigarette in there, and you know,
Speaker 1: she'd we'd have some white a little bit of wine,
Speaker 1: you know, if we had some wine in the fridge
Speaker 1: or you know, have and drink.
Speaker 2: It was better when we're at home.
Speaker 1: We always had a few drinks there while she was
Speaker 1: getting the nails done, you know, a couple of drinks,
Speaker 1: usually a cruiser or something like that would split between us.
Speaker 1: And she told me a lot.
Speaker 2: She told me she was.
Speaker 1: Being told to be weary of the owner at Camden
Speaker 1: by other employees. I'm assuming, but she's looked at him
Speaker 1: as our father figure, she said. She said that she'd
Speaker 1: received a large bouquet of flowers for a big sale.
Speaker 2: I think it was that.
Speaker 1: She had made I know when she moved into Bargo,
Speaker 1: she was scared when she lived to move to Bargo,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons she wanted Christy to
Speaker 1: move in with her because she was frightened of the neighbor.
Speaker 1: He was always leaving flowers for as she said, every
Speaker 1: time she'd leave, he'd be there. Every time she'd come home,
Speaker 1: he'd be there. So she was on edge with him.
Speaker 1: She said she was a sleezy bat and you know,
Speaker 1: a sleazy guy. Apparently I think he was married. But
Speaker 1: she said he'd just come across very sleazy, and she
Speaker 1: was scared of him.
Speaker 2: She was scared of him.
Speaker 6: How long before her death did she tell you this?
Speaker 1: Probably two months before. It wasn't long after she moved
Speaker 1: into Bago, two three months. It wasn't long after she'd
Speaker 1: moved into Bago.
Speaker 5: And did Rochelle have any fears that stem from her workplace?
Speaker 1: No, she never known. She never she was told to
Speaker 1: she was told to be careful. He was a sleazy
Speaker 1: I don't know who told who told said that to her,
Speaker 1: But that's what she said to me, she said, But
Speaker 1: she said, just like that, a father figure to me.
Speaker 1: You know, she always referred to him as a father
Speaker 1: figure to her. She never you know, she never never
Speaker 1: said that he was scared of She never mentioned anything
Speaker 1: about being scared of him or anything like that.
Speaker 6: But she was scared of her neighbor.
Speaker 5: Of her neighbor, she was, and she did she describe
Speaker 5: why she was scared of him, what he didn't.
Speaker 1: She just got an eerie feeling around him, that she
Speaker 1: would come home and he would pop out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: When she was leaving, he'd be like near her car,
Speaker 1: or he'd just always be there. She said, you know,
Speaker 1: anytime I left, he would be out the front, or
Speaker 1: if she arrived home, he'd end up being there.
Speaker 2: Before she could get the key in the door, and
Speaker 2: you know, he'd leave her flowers. Just gives him the creeps.
Speaker 5: Christie, and do you have any thoughts about Wendy's memories
Speaker 5: of leading up to Rochelle's death.
Speaker 7: He definitely was a sleeze, was tolerable. I didn't know
Speaker 7: he was hanging around like that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I agree with that he did just pop up
Speaker 8: out of nowhere. I remember washing up at the kitchen
Speaker 8: sink and looking up and he was.
Speaker 6: Out the back.
Speaker 5: Why are you here?
Speaker 8: And that's why he's always been one that I've been
Speaker 8: a bit suspicious of.
Speaker 5: Bruce the neighbor has now been charged and has always
Speaker 5: vehemently denied any involvement in Rochelle's murder. He willingly took
Speaker 5: part in police interviews, provided his DNA, and gave evidence
Speaker 5: at the inquest into Rochelle's death.
Speaker 8: Her comments about Rochelle's feeling about Kevin, that's one hundred
Speaker 8: percent right, that's how that's sort of how she spoke
Speaker 8: about him, and that's sort of how she interacted with him.
Speaker 6: So that's that's accurate.
Speaker 8: The thing that I find interesting is the comment about Bellemore,
Speaker 8: and I've asked Shane about that. I've asked Shane what's
Speaker 8: at Bellemore? Where would she been going. There's an auctions
Speaker 8: at Bellemore, and apparently Rochelle and Kevin would go to
Speaker 8: the auctions at Bellemore. So I was wondering whether that
Speaker 8: there might be something in that because I don't know
Speaker 8: if she was driving. She's the only one that's mentioned
Speaker 8: Rachelle driving to Bellmore soon.
Speaker 9: That's in the afternoon of that too.
Speaker 5: This is at two thirty, so she's obviously come back
Speaker 5: because Kathy Thelander says she has the kids, so she'd
Speaker 5: picked them up from school at three point thirty and
Speaker 5: then with her sister they went in either around three
Speaker 5: thirty four o'clock and they were there, and Rochelle was there,
Speaker 5: and they were there all afternoon.
Speaker 8: Because if she's got if there was something wrong with
Speaker 8: the stereo and that I don't know about, and she's
Speaker 8: dropped it off to someone at Belmore, that may be
Speaker 8: the reason why it wasn't in the car when she
Speaker 8: called me, I could only hear engine noise. I couldn't
Speaker 8: hear I mean like she could have just turned the
Speaker 8: sound off obviously, because she was on the phone, driving
Speaker 8: and smoking. I couldn't hear any radio noise when I
Speaker 8: spoke to her on the phone.
Speaker 9: I'm just saying, surely someone would have come forward to
Speaker 9: say that she'd dropped her stereo off for bad repair.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and the cover was in her bag, so she
Speaker 8: obviously if she took that out, she would have put
Speaker 8: the cover on it. Like you'd need the cover on
Speaker 8: it if it was getting fixed or whatever, you'd have
Speaker 8: to have the.
Speaker 9: Work, and it was it was a commonplace for her
Speaker 9: to take the face played off. It may have been
Speaker 9: an item from the car that needed to be fixed.
Speaker 9: She just ran up to Billmore to drop it off
Speaker 9: and came and on the way back she rang Wendy
Speaker 9: to try and get her in through a nail job
Speaker 9: she couldn't get in, but we certainly do know that
Speaker 9: on that timeline that she was back at Camden Holden
Speaker 9: later that afternoon. It was Kathy Thielander sees her and
Speaker 9: in the car ya, So we're still sticking by the
Speaker 9: scenario that she left that car late that afternoon and
Speaker 9: was shortainly spotted thereafter by a council ranger when she
Speaker 9: flicked a cigarette but out the window. So those timings
Speaker 9: are very important, particularly because the timestamps her movement.
Speaker 5: Okay, next we have Kathy thee Lander's sister Charlene, who
Speaker 5: was at the car yard on the Thursday afternoon and
Speaker 5: one of Rachelle's last cuss.
Speaker 3: I realized that I saw her on the day that
Speaker 3: she died, but I didn't realize till a long time
Speaker 3: after that actually that I was one of the last
Speaker 3: people to actually see her.
Speaker 6: Do you have any memories of that day seeing Rochelle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a really clear memory, actually, because because
Speaker 3: you know, she was murdered that night, it sort of
Speaker 3: stuck in my head all these years that you know,
Speaker 3: I was there on the day that she was murdered,
Speaker 3: and so I was there at Camden Holden with my
Speaker 3: sister and my young nieces and my sister was collecting
Speaker 3: a car and Rochelle was the person we were dealing
Speaker 3: with there.
Speaker 6: Take me through that afternoon.
Speaker 5: Do you remember what time you arrived at Camden Holden
Speaker 5: and what Rochelle was up to that day?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it.
Speaker 3: Would have been late in the afternoon, and I have
Speaker 3: a clear recollection of her because she really stuck in
Speaker 3: my mind as because I knew she was only young,
Speaker 3: but she was so confident and so professional, and it
Speaker 3: really stuck in my mind that that's how she was
Speaker 3: because I was in my thirties and she was only
Speaker 3: in her early twenties, and I remember thinking, wow, you know,
Speaker 3: she really seemed to have it all together. She was
Speaker 3: very professional in her dealings. I actually even remember the
Speaker 3: outfit she had on that she had on a pants
Speaker 3: suit and a shirt.
Speaker 2: And so she.
Speaker 3: Was dealing with mostly my sister, you know, I was
Speaker 3: introduced to her and she was just talking about the
Speaker 3: car and the finance and all that they were doing.
Speaker 3: And so we were in the yard and then in
Speaker 3: the railway carriage that was there that was the office
Speaker 3: for the news car sales.
Speaker 5: Were there any other workers there helping assisting your sister.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there was a.
Speaker 3: Guy that was there, an older man with quite dark hair,
Speaker 3: and I remember he had on a long coat, and
Speaker 3: I hadn't seen him before because I had actually been
Speaker 3: to Camden Holden many times because my brother in law
Speaker 3: worked there, so I'd actually even been out with some
Speaker 3: Camden Holding people on functions and things like that. But
Speaker 3: I didn't recognize this man, and he was in the
Speaker 3: background the whole time. So we were dealing with Rochelle,
Speaker 3: but he was sort of there in the background listening
Speaker 3: to what was going on. You always sort of seemed
Speaker 3: to be in the frame wherever we were in our
Speaker 3: dealings with Rachelle. And I remember saying to my sister,
Speaker 3: who's that because it just seemed odd that he was
Speaker 3: sort of there, and she's told me, Hi, it was
Speaker 3: that it was Kevin.
Speaker 2: And I remember.
Speaker 3: Very clearly saying to my sister, you know, oh, he
Speaker 3: seems like a bit of a slave's bag, and that's
Speaker 3: sort of terminology I want to use.
Speaker 5: Back then, can you tell me about Rochelle's demeanor that
Speaker 5: day and what you remember.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I remember that she seemed happy, she was
Speaker 3: very pleasant, very professional in her dealings about the car,
Speaker 3: sort of a bubbly, sort of bright personality, you know.
Speaker 3: I remember thinking that about her, what sort of You
Speaker 3: know that there's some people who were just sort of,
Speaker 3: you know, your interactions with the more joyful, and that's
Speaker 3: how it felt. She did leave earlier, though, like we
Speaker 3: were there with her, and she said that she did
Speaker 3: have to leave, and I remember she got in her
Speaker 3: car and sort of waved to it so as she
Speaker 3: drove away. So we were there for longer than what
Speaker 3: you know she was she left before we left.
Speaker 6: Do you know what time that was?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I don't know, so it was late afternoon
Speaker 3: when we got there, so we were probably there for
Speaker 3: at least an hour, so I would have said four
Speaker 3: thirty five, you know, if I had to pinpoint a time,
Speaker 3: it was just I know, we didn't get there till
Speaker 3: late afternoon though.
Speaker 6: Did you ever do a formal statement with police?
Speaker 3: No, And that's why I wasn't aware that, you know,
Speaker 3: we were some of the last people to see her
Speaker 3: because the police never contacted me. They never asked me
Speaker 3: to do an interview. And I remember saying to my sister,
Speaker 3: who I was there with it on that day. How
Speaker 3: strange that they've never contacted me. I always thought it
Speaker 3: was quite odd, and yeah, I just and it wasn't
Speaker 3: really until I've been listening to the podcast that I
Speaker 3: realized that we were actually the last people to see her.
Speaker 3: And then I thought, again, how strange that they didn't
Speaker 3: come and ask details. I mean, you know, I've got
Speaker 3: quite a good memory, and I can remember all these
Speaker 3: details all these years later, but obviously if they'd interviewed
Speaker 3: me sooner, I would have remembered more.
Speaker 10: What's your reaction to that, Christy Nanne, Well, she backs
Speaker 10: up everything Kathy says, which is nice to have someone
Speaker 10: confirming that that's.
Speaker 6: Fact.
Speaker 8: I would assume.
Speaker 6: I think it's.
Speaker 8: Important that she says that, you know, if someone had
Speaker 8: spoken to her earlier, she might have remembered more details.
Speaker 8: That's frustrating, but yeah, I love that she's, you know,
Speaker 8: same with Kathy said that she was so lovely and bubbly,
Speaker 8: and I think, you know, having Kevin follow them around,
Speaker 8: that's weird. And I know that Kathy said that there
Speaker 8: were issues with the finance and that the paperwork went missing,
Speaker 8: and I don't know whether perhaps there was something dodgy
Speaker 8: going on and that's why he was so closely following
Speaker 8: them around and listening, because yeah, that could be a
Speaker 8: reason why I'd been to Camden Holden many times and
Speaker 8: Kevin was always there, but I wouldn't say that he
Speaker 8: would follow her around. So it's interesting that he was
Speaker 8: following them around that afternoon. I find that strange and
Speaker 8: I would like to know why.
Speaker 6: Damien, what are your thoughts on Charlene's interview.
Speaker 9: Well in relation to her not being spoken to by
Speaker 9: police is interesting because one of the first things you
Speaker 9: would do and you go to the workplace of the
Speaker 9: victim and under research warrant, you would make the diaries
Speaker 9: and the day books, any receipt any receipt book, any
Speaker 9: applications that have been made for finance on that particular day,
Speaker 9: and then you would track those people down and then
Speaker 9: you'd obtain a statement them to see if it was
Speaker 9: Rachelle was one of those persons that was serving them
Speaker 9: as a salesperson from the hole in the yard. And
Speaker 9: I'm just a little bit perplexed as to why that
Speaker 9: hasn't been done, something I certainly would have done in
Speaker 9: the day, and not looking back in hindsight either, I
Speaker 9: think it's very important.
Speaker 5: Kevin Stephen Correll strenuously denies any involvement in Rochelle's murder
Speaker 5: and has never been charged. He has willingly participated in
Speaker 5: three records of interview with police and provided his DNA
Speaker 5: to investigators. The coroner overseeing Rochelle's inquest made an open finding.
Speaker 5: The other tip that we have through is a security
Speaker 5: guard who wants his identity protected. But he told us
Speaker 5: an interesting story about a time and a conversation when
Speaker 5: he worked with Kevin Correll on the Central Coast.
Speaker 6: Let's see what he has to say.
Speaker 4: Okay, so I've worked with Covin eximately five times from
Speaker 4: memory as a security guard.
Speaker 5: What was he like to work with?
Speaker 4: Pretty easy? Actually, he only really spoke when he felt
Speaker 4: the need to. I did notice he was very observant
Speaker 4: and always you know, kick the people he wanted to
Speaker 4: talk to or if he had to ask them to
Speaker 4: leave and whatnot. There was no major red flags at
Speaker 4: the start.
Speaker 5: Well, how would you describe him in his role? Was
Speaker 5: he a good RSA marshal?
Speaker 4: From what I saw, he was pretty good. He was
Speaker 4: always observant and he would always like pull the security
Speaker 4: up first. If he was ever worried about someone who
Speaker 4: was intoxicated, and he would always ask if it's okay
Speaker 4: to kick him out or come for a second opinion
Speaker 4: at least, And yeah, he was usually good in that regard.
Speaker 4: I didn't really notice him treating any patrons illy.
Speaker 6: Did he take his job seriously from what I.
Speaker 4: Could see most of the time, yes, and there were
Speaker 4: sometimes where he did get a little bit lazy and
Speaker 4: just chat to people to help time go by, but
Speaker 4: he was usually as good at responding the calls when needed.
Speaker 5: And did you ever have any conversations with him about
Speaker 5: his life or any insights about him?
Speaker 4: I did ask him once if he was thinking about
Speaker 4: becoming a licensed security guard because he was an RSA Marshall,
Speaker 4: and he told me that he's already a licensed security
Speaker 4: guard and the reason why he doesn't do security at
Speaker 4: the current time is because of his age and less responsibilities.
Speaker 5: And did you do any research into whether he was
Speaker 5: a licensed security guard.
Speaker 4: As of recently? I have, yes, and I did the
Speaker 4: online check you can do on the service New South
Speaker 4: Wales UP. I used both alias as he went by,
Speaker 4: and I found nothing.
Speaker 5: On him any conversations that stand out to you that
Speaker 5: you want to share.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So, last time I worked with Kevin, which probably
Speaker 4: would have been December twenty twenty four, there was a
Speaker 4: time when a patron came in who was a little
Speaker 4: bit mentally challenged and told, you know, tell stories, but
Speaker 4: you know, most of us just pretend to believe him
Speaker 4: and just let him go. And he doesn't really talk much.
Speaker 4: After the patron had signed in and walked away and
Speaker 4: did whatever he was going to do in the club,
Speaker 4: Kevin looks at me and says, he's lying. And I said,
Speaker 4: and I asked him, as based on how far that's
Speaker 4: his story sounded, and Kevin said no. Kevin said, when
Speaker 4: people lie, they subconsciously looked to the left. And I
Speaker 4: paused for a second, and I said, do you have
Speaker 4: a degree in psychology or are you former law enforcement
Speaker 4: or anything like that? And then he said to me,
Speaker 4: he said, he said, he used to work in psychology
Speaker 4: many years ago, and he studied, he studied behavior and
Speaker 4: lying and all that stuff. And he pretty much told
Speaker 4: me and gave me some weird advice. You know, if
Speaker 4: I ever want to save myself from getting in trouble,
Speaker 4: he would tell me how to lie and get away
Speaker 4: with wake. For example, you know, keep the details short
Speaker 4: and simple, never overexaggerate. And he went on further to explain, like,
Speaker 4: you know, how he's saved himself from traffic tickets to
Speaker 4: sparing people's feelings and all that stuff. I can't quite
Speaker 4: remember what he said, but he went on a little bit,
Speaker 4: and I thought that that was really strange. I'm like,
Speaker 4: that's being skilled at lying is very strange. But okay.
Speaker 5: And did Kevin tell you anything about his personal life,
Speaker 5: about his relationships.
Speaker 4: Only that he was seeing a girl over in Thaireland
Speaker 4: and he was, and he mentioned that he would go
Speaker 4: there every three months or so. And he showed me
Speaker 4: a picture of this woman in Thailand and she looked
Speaker 4: she looked really young. I was, I was quite concerned
Speaker 4: about the age difference, but changed out she was an adult.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I did find out a bit odd.
Speaker 5: Did he say anything more about this woman that he
Speaker 5: met in Thailand?
Speaker 4: No, other than he just works as much as he
Speaker 4: can to afford to go over there every three months
Speaker 4: or so. And I do remember him mentioning that he
Speaker 4: he thought it was going really well and would often
Speaker 4: say that he's He did imagine at one point that
Speaker 4: he was contemplating moving over there permanently.
Speaker 5: Christie Ann, what's your reaction to the security guard's comments
Speaker 5: about Kevin.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know what to think really, to actually
Speaker 8: tell people that you are skilled at lying and that
Speaker 8: you've gotten away with so much in the past because
Speaker 8: you keep the detail short and then and then he
Speaker 8: goes on to lie and so that he has a
Speaker 8: background in psychology and he's worked in psychology, and he's
Speaker 8: studied and he had done this, which you know he
Speaker 8: clearly has not done.
Speaker 6: And he also said that he.
Speaker 8: Was a registered security guard or he was but it
Speaker 8: was lapsed.
Speaker 6: So he just.
Speaker 8: Proves that he is a he is a very skilled
Speaker 8: liar and yeah, and he obviously prides himself on that,
Speaker 8: which is kind of disgusting.
Speaker 9: What struck me the most important piece of conversation that
Speaker 9: came out from their former workmate was the fact that
Speaker 9: Kevin said, you know, you keep your lies simple and
Speaker 9: you don't exaggerate. Now, throughout my career as an investigator,
Speaker 9: I've come across it on numerous occasions where the offender
Speaker 9: says a very short sentence which they can easily remember
Speaker 9: if they start to exaggerate, they don't really recall that
Speaker 9: detail of the exaggeration years later. But if you keep
Speaker 9: a short sentence, like one sentence like Lynn Dawson allegedly
Speaker 9: he told someone that I received a letter from her
Speaker 9: and he kept that up all those for many many years.
Speaker 9: And that's a short, simple sentence you can't not forget
Speaker 9: and a skillful lie. Skill for someone who in the
Speaker 9: art of deceiving, does that they keep their sentences very
Speaker 9: short and to the fact where it's believable, and you
Speaker 9: don't over exaggerate, because that's where you come unstuck years later.
Speaker 5: You're right, though, Christy, it is concerning that someone prides
Speaker 5: themselves online.
Speaker 8: He lied to Rochelle. He said that he was a
Speaker 8: detective in a park life. He's lied to his own children,
Speaker 8: I was a psychologist. If he has had nothing to
Speaker 8: do with Rochelle's death, because he does create these web
Speaker 8: of lies, he makes himself look so guilty and also
Speaker 8: making up lies about Rochelle, like saying that she was
Speaker 8: involved with the rebels and bikey gangs. You know, he's
Speaker 8: building this lie around Rochelle and actually trying to tarnish
Speaker 8: her character by telling people that she's involved with You
Speaker 8: know what could what is described by police as being
Speaker 8: a criminal gang. How disgusting after someone's died, someone who's
Speaker 8: apparently so special to you, who you know you went
Speaker 8: and sobbed to people at a car yard about her death,
Speaker 8: that you're so upset about it, But yet you're quite
Speaker 8: willing to tell everyone that she was involved with a
Speaker 8: criminal gang and into you know, doing things that were
Speaker 8: potentially criminal. And for what reason, I don't know.
Speaker 7: He's just trying to deflect as much as he possibly could,
Speaker 7: just to get it away from him.
Speaker 6: But he didn't follow through.
Speaker 7: He didn't care, He never spoke to us in nothing,
Speaker 7: in no way was he even wanting to help.
Speaker 8: That's right, And absolutely no regard for Rochelle's memory or
Speaker 8: legacy or you know, her character, Absolutely no regard for
Speaker 8: any of that or for her family.
Speaker 9: Unfortunately, throughout all the investigations, there's always they always throw
Speaker 9: in a red heiring for you to go off track,
Speaker 9: to throw and they do it on purpose to throw
Speaker 9: you off track so you could start looking somewhere else.
Speaker 9: But it's a red herring. But it you have to
Speaker 9: investigate them, then you have to eliminate that allegation or
Speaker 9: the bike is we're involved, et cetera. So that's the
Speaker 9: red herring, and I have plenty of those in my service,
Speaker 9: but you've got to and they do take time to
Speaker 9: track down and eliminate the alibi or confirm or deny
Speaker 9: the alibi. So you know this is not unusual. A
Speaker 9: good croop will keep their lives to one sentence. A
Speaker 9: bad crop will give you a page and a half
Speaker 9: of allegations or what they've done afterwards or prior. They're
Speaker 9: the ones that we catch very easily. The ones that
Speaker 9: keep it short are difficult.
Speaker 5: So these are people that are coming forward and speaking
Speaker 5: up to the podcast, which is a good thing. We
Speaker 5: learn more information when these people come forward, and just
Speaker 5: those little pieces of information will help to see the
Speaker 5: bigger picture.
Speaker 9: I was interviewed last Saturday morning by Luke Grant on
Speaker 9: two GB and I raised that issue, or said, it's
Speaker 9: a wonderful thing that the community now are asking questions
Speaker 9: and they can ask a question to the podcast by
Speaker 9: visiting the website. And I said, it's wonderful that you
Speaker 9: know people are out there, they're smart, they're asking some
Speaker 9: very good questions and where they're being answered to it
Speaker 9: by us on a weekly basis. Well when we need
Speaker 9: to do it, and we just have to promote that,
Speaker 9: keep promoting, because you know, we're going to get a
Speaker 9: bill breakthrough here. I can see it coming.
Speaker 8: I think it's great that, you know, and thinking about
Speaker 8: the amount of people that would have gone through that
Speaker 8: kaya that day, I think there's probably other customers who
Speaker 8: we haven't heard from as well, which I would really
Speaker 8: like to hear from, and other people that she might
Speaker 8: have messaged or spoken to that day. It's so heartening
Speaker 8: that we've had so many people come forward and want
Speaker 8: to help, and I think that that's I think that's beautiful.
Speaker 8: And I have a feeling that these cold cases, you know,
Speaker 8: going forward from here, all these other cold cases, I
Speaker 8: think that this medium is something that needs to be
Speaker 8: used because you're not gonna, yeah, you're not going to
Speaker 8: solve it by looking back over the same information that
Speaker 8: we've always had and everyone's read. You're not going to
Speaker 8: solve it by reading the exact same things. We need
Speaker 8: more people to come forward and give us these little
Speaker 8: nuggets of information. And I'm just so incredibly grateful to
Speaker 8: all these beautiful people who, yeah, particularly you know, those
Speaker 8: really strong women who have had you know who are
Speaker 8: potentially putting themselves in danger or damaging relationships by coming
Speaker 8: forward to help us.
Speaker 6: For Rochelle, it's just yeah, it's beautiful.
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