WEBVTT - Investigation Update | 6 - Eyewitnesses, tips and new leads 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:05.680 She told me she has been told to be weary 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.160 of the owner at Kendon I know, and she moved 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:09.000 into Bargo. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:09.880 She was scared. 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.800 He was sort of there in the background listening to. 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:13.560 What was going on. 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.200 Kevin looks at me and says he's lying. He would 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.639 tell me how the lion get away of life, for example. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:24.240 You know, keep the details short and simple, never over exaggerate. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:31.080 Welcome to the sixth update episode of Dear Rochelle. You're 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:35.040 behind the scenes access to this live podcast investigation series. 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.640 I'm your host, Ashley Hanson. Since the series began, so 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.560 many of you have reached out with information about the case. 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:46.040 It's a reminder that even the smallest memory could be 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:50.040 the missing piece. We're still encouraging anyone who might know 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.880 anything to get in touch, whether you want to speak 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:57.280 anonymously or on the record. In this bonus episode, I'm 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.360 joined by retired New South Wales detects you Damian Loon, 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:06.240 Rochelle's sister, Christy, her mum Anne, and Mindy, Christie's best friend. Together, 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.000 we'll go through some of the tips we've received and 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:09.920 the people. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.720 Who we've since spoken to. We'll start with Wendy. 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:16.360 She was Rochelle's nail technician and got in touch a 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.560 few weeks ago. She told us that Rochelle called her 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:21.959 on the Thursday afternoon she went missing. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:27.680 I owned a nail someone in Rosemeadow and Rachel was 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:31.360 a client who used to come in and that's where 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:37.600 I met her. Very funny lady. She never wasn't a regular. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.480 She used to come, you know, she'd come, try to 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:44.400 come to get an in fields and that done, and 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:45.959 then you wouldn't see her for. 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:47.840 A couple of months and she'd just rock up. Can 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:48.800 I get a full set? 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:49.240 You know? 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.520 She never kept up with the maintenance. She wasn't one 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:55.880 to do that, you know. It was just, oh, I 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.000 just need a full set. She used to bite the 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.760 nails down to nothing, always trying to stick on her nail, 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:03.640 you know, when there's hardly in the nail bed there. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:08.400 That Thursday she rang me wanting her to getting her 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.600 nails done. Wanted a full set again. I couldn't fit 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.760 her in. She wanted the afternoon because she was on 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:22.000 her way to Belmore to get the car radio fixed. 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.560 I'm not sure if it was her car radio or 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:29.600 was it a car for work. I can't remember, but 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.239 she was on a way to Bellmore because she was 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:35.440 driving and on the phone that she wanted to come 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.760 in after that about four point thirty five to come 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:39.440 in get her nails done, and I couldn't fit her 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:40.399 in because they're regulars. 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:42.320 I told her could do her. 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.079 In the morning, nine o'clock, so she said, yeah, she'd 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:45.920 have that appointment. 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.080 And yeah, that was the last I spoke to her. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.120 And what makes you so convinced that she was driving 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:52.760 at the time? 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.320 I could hear it. I still remember that phone call. 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:00.800 Yeah she was driving, Yeah, she was driving, definitely driving 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.639 on her mobile while she she was going to Belmore 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.440 to get this car radio fixed. There's be half us too, 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:07.960 because I know I was getting ready to go and 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.920 pick up kids from school. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.320 And did she tell you anything about her plans for 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:13.480 the June long weekend? 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:15.000 No? 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.360 No, I wish to God that i'd, let you know, 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.240 squeezed her in and had a good old chat with 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:21.440 her and found out. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:23.760 I really wish I did. 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.240 How often did Rachelle come and get her nails done 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.000 from you? And what did she tell you about her life? 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.040 She used to come, like I said, periodically, she'd come off. 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.120 You know, sometimes I wouldn't see her two three months, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.640 but then I'd see her where every month or every day. 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:41.520 She did keep up in the in fields for a 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.000 little while, and you know, we'd sit there and have 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:46.400 a chat. And you know, I used to let us 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.680 choose to smoke and the selling She's going to kitchen's 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.200 part and have a cigarette in there, and you know, 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.280 she'd we'd have some white a little bit of wine, 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:55.800 you know, if we had some wine in the fridge 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:57.360 or you know, have and drink. 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:58.800 It was better when we're at home. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:00.560 We always had a few drinks there while she was 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.360 getting the nails done, you know, a couple of drinks, 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.080 usually a cruiser or something like that would split between us. 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.920 And she told me a lot. 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:11.600 She told me she was. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.120 Being told to be weary of the owner at Camden 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.560 by other employees. I'm assuming, but she's looked at him 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.440 as our father figure, she said. She said that she'd 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:28.640 received a large bouquet of flowers for a big sale. 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:30.640 I think it was that. 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.000 She had made I know when she moved into Bargo, 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.120 she was scared when she lived to move to Bargo, 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.320 and that's one of the reasons she wanted Christy to 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:43.040 move in with her because she was frightened of the neighbor. 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.680 He was always leaving flowers for as she said, every 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:50.000 time she'd leave, he'd be there. Every time she'd come home, 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.920 he'd be there. So she was on edge with him. 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.960 She said she was a sleezy bat and you know, 0:04:55.960 --> 0:05:00.159 a sleazy guy. Apparently I think he was married. But 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:04.279 she said he'd just come across very sleazy, and she 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:05.000 was scared of him. 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:05.839 She was scared of him. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.400 How long before her death did she tell you this? 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:13.839 Probably two months before. It wasn't long after she moved 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.279 into Bago, two three months. It wasn't long after she'd 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:18.159 moved into Bago. 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.719 And did Rochelle have any fears that stem from her workplace? 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:27.520 No, she never known. She never she was told to 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:32.360 she was told to be careful. He was a sleazy 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.440 I don't know who told who told said that to her, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.159 But that's what she said to me, she said, But 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.800 she said, just like that, a father figure to me. 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:41.719 You know, she always referred to him as a father 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:46.080 figure to her. She never you know, she never never 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.760 said that he was scared of She never mentioned anything 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.560 about being scared of him or anything like that. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.440 But she was scared of her neighbor. 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.800 Of her neighbor, she was, and she did she describe 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.600 why she was scared of him, what he didn't. 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:04.320 She just got an eerie feeling around him, that she 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.720 would come home and he would pop out of nowhere. 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.799 When she was leaving, he'd be like near her car, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.160 or he'd just always be there. She said, you know, 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.680 anytime I left, he would be out the front, or 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.440 if she arrived home, he'd end up being there. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.600 Before she could get the key in the door, and 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.840 you know, he'd leave her flowers. Just gives him the creeps. 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:33.440 Christie, and do you have any thoughts about Wendy's memories 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.839 of leading up to Rochelle's death. 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:40.680 He definitely was a sleeze, was tolerable. I didn't know 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:42.440 he was hanging around like that. 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.200 Yeah, I agree with that he did just pop up 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.680 out of nowhere. I remember washing up at the kitchen 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:48.960 sink and looking up and he was. 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:49.880 Out the back. 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:51.960 Why are you here? 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.320 And that's why he's always been one that I've been 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:57.919 a bit suspicious of. 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.839 Bruce the neighbor has now been charged and has always 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:06.240 vehemently denied any involvement in Rochelle's murder. He willingly took 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:10.480 part in police interviews, provided his DNA, and gave evidence 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:12.360 at the inquest into Rochelle's death. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:19.400 Her comments about Rochelle's feeling about Kevin, that's one hundred 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.080 percent right, that's how that's sort of how she spoke 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.360 about him, and that's sort of how she interacted with him. 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:26.360 So that's that's accurate. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:30.240 The thing that I find interesting is the comment about Bellemore, 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.800 and I've asked Shane about that. I've asked Shane what's 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:39.320 at Bellemore? Where would she been going. There's an auctions 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:45.240 at Bellemore, and apparently Rochelle and Kevin would go to 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:50.720 the auctions at Bellemore. So I was wondering whether that 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.120 there might be something in that because I don't know 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.240 if she was driving. She's the only one that's mentioned 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.480 Rachelle driving to Bellmore soon. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:02.640 That's in the afternoon of that too. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.320 This is at two thirty, so she's obviously come back 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.760 because Kathy Thelander says she has the kids, so she'd 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:11.880 picked them up from school at three point thirty and 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.400 then with her sister they went in either around three 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:16.760 thirty four o'clock and they were there, and Rochelle was there, 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:17.960 and they were there all afternoon. 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.280 Because if she's got if there was something wrong with 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.720 the stereo and that I don't know about, and she's 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.720 dropped it off to someone at Belmore, that may be 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.600 the reason why it wasn't in the car when she 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.280 called me, I could only hear engine noise. I couldn't 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.160 hear I mean like she could have just turned the 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.800 sound off obviously, because she was on the phone, driving 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.880 and smoking. I couldn't hear any radio noise when I 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.080 spoke to her on the phone. 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:45.120 I'm just saying, surely someone would have come forward to 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.920 say that she'd dropped her stereo off for bad repair. 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.920 Yeah, and the cover was in her bag, so she 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.920 obviously if she took that out, she would have put 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:56.960 the cover on it. Like you'd need the cover on 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:58.960 it if it was getting fixed or whatever, you'd have 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:00.160 to have the. 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.679 Work, and it was it was a commonplace for her 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.240 to take the face played off. It may have been 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.439 an item from the car that needed to be fixed. 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.640 She just ran up to Billmore to drop it off 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.360 and came and on the way back she rang Wendy 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.040 to try and get her in through a nail job 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.040 she couldn't get in, but we certainly do know that 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.720 on that timeline that she was back at Camden Holden 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.880 later that afternoon. It was Kathy Thielander sees her and 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:35.800 in the car ya, So we're still sticking by the 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:39.240 scenario that she left that car late that afternoon and 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.200 was shortainly spotted thereafter by a council ranger when she 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.160 flicked a cigarette but out the window. So those timings 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.000 are very important, particularly because the timestamps her movement. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:53.880 Okay, next we have Kathy thee Lander's sister Charlene, who 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.480 was at the car yard on the Thursday afternoon and 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:01.760 one of Rachelle's last cuss. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.120 I realized that I saw her on the day that 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.720 she died, but I didn't realize till a long time 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.280 after that actually that I was one of the last 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:11.319 people to actually see her. 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.800 Do you have any memories of that day seeing Rochelle. 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.760 Yeah, I have a really clear memory, actually, because because 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.599 you know, she was murdered that night, it sort of 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.800 stuck in my head all these years that you know, 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.720 I was there on the day that she was murdered, 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.880 and so I was there at Camden Holden with my 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.800 sister and my young nieces and my sister was collecting 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.720 a car and Rochelle was the person we were dealing 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:40.120 with there. 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:41.840 Take me through that afternoon. 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.720 Do you remember what time you arrived at Camden Holden 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:46.920 and what Rochelle was up to that day? 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:48.360 Yeah, so it. 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.720 Would have been late in the afternoon, and I have 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.480 a clear recollection of her because she really stuck in 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.240 my mind as because I knew she was only young, 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:01.160 but she was so confident and so professional, and it 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.240 really stuck in my mind that that's how she was 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.360 because I was in my thirties and she was only 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.840 in her early twenties, and I remember thinking, wow, you know, 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:09.520 she really seemed to have it all together. She was 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.079 very professional in her dealings. I actually even remember the 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.160 outfit she had on that she had on a pants 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:15.080 suit and a shirt. 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.160 And so she. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.840 Was dealing with mostly my sister, you know, I was 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:21.800 introduced to her and she was just talking about the 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:23.959 car and the finance and all that they were doing. 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.679 And so we were in the yard and then in 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.680 the railway carriage that was there that was the office 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:33.880 for the news car sales. 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.720 Were there any other workers there helping assisting your sister. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.360 Yeah, So there was a. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.439 Guy that was there, an older man with quite dark hair, 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.000 and I remember he had on a long coat, and 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.400 I hadn't seen him before because I had actually been 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.880 to Camden Holden many times because my brother in law 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.320 worked there, so I'd actually even been out with some 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.760 Camden Holding people on functions and things like that. But 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.000 I didn't recognize this man, and he was in the 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.760 background the whole time. So we were dealing with Rochelle, 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.360 but he was sort of there in the background listening 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.840 to what was going on. You always sort of seemed 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.240 to be in the frame wherever we were in our 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:13.280 dealings with Rachelle. And I remember saying to my sister, 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.560 who's that because it just seemed odd that he was 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.640 sort of there, and she's told me, Hi, it was 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:19.760 that it was Kevin. 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:21.599 And I remember. 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.920 Very clearly saying to my sister, you know, oh, he 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.720 seems like a bit of a slave's bag, and that's 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:28.439 sort of terminology I want to use. 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.880 Back then, can you tell me about Rochelle's demeanor that 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:33.240 day and what you remember. 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.719 Yeah, so I remember that she seemed happy, she was 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:42.360 very pleasant, very professional in her dealings about the car, 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.520 sort of a bubbly, sort of bright personality, you know. 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:48.680 I remember thinking that about her, what sort of You 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.360 know that there's some people who were just sort of, 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.720 you know, your interactions with the more joyful, and that's 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.439 how it felt. She did leave earlier, though, like we 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.199 were there with her, and she said that she did 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.880 have to leave, and I remember she got in her 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:03.880 car and sort of waved to it so as she 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.280 drove away. So we were there for longer than what 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.640 you know she was she left before we left. 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:11.440 Do you know what time that was? 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.240 Well, yeah, I don't know, so it was late afternoon 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:17.880 when we got there, so we were probably there for 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:19.760 at least an hour, so I would have said four 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.160 thirty five, you know, if I had to pinpoint a time, 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:24.559 it was just I know, we didn't get there till 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:25.400 late afternoon though. 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.040 Did you ever do a formal statement with police? 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:33.640 No, And that's why I wasn't aware that, you know, 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.559 we were some of the last people to see her 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:39.840 because the police never contacted me. They never asked me 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.600 to do an interview. And I remember saying to my sister, 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.520 who I was there with it on that day. How 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.080 strange that they've never contacted me. I always thought it 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:51.320 was quite odd, and yeah, I just and it wasn't 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.480 really until I've been listening to the podcast that I 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.120 realized that we were actually the last people to see her. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.760 And then I thought, again, how strange that they didn't 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.880 come and ask details. I mean, you know, I've got 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:03.480 quite a good memory, and I can remember all these 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.320 details all these years later, but obviously if they'd interviewed 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.000 me sooner, I would have remembered more. 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:14.520 What's your reaction to that, Christy Nanne, Well, she backs 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:18.640 up everything Kathy says, which is nice to have someone 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:20.600 confirming that that's. 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:23.000 Fact. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:24.040 I would assume. 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:27.600 I think it's. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.760 Important that she says that, you know, if someone had 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.360 spoken to her earlier, she might have remembered more details. 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:38.000 That's frustrating, but yeah, I love that she's, you know, 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.200 same with Kathy said that she was so lovely and bubbly, 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:45.320 and I think, you know, having Kevin follow them around, 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:53.040 that's weird. And I know that Kathy said that there 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:57.200 were issues with the finance and that the paperwork went missing, 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.040 and I don't know whether perhaps there was something dodgy 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:05.080 going on and that's why he was so closely following 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:11.000 them around and listening, because yeah, that could be a 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.800 reason why I'd been to Camden Holden many times and 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.840 Kevin was always there, but I wouldn't say that he 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:22.080 would follow her around. So it's interesting that he was 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:27.960 following them around that afternoon. I find that strange and 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:29.440 I would like to know why. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:33.760 Damien, what are your thoughts on Charlene's interview. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.400 Well in relation to her not being spoken to by 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.960 police is interesting because one of the first things you 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.480 would do and you go to the workplace of the 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:48.360 victim and under research warrant, you would make the diaries 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:53.240 and the day books, any receipt any receipt book, any 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.120 applications that have been made for finance on that particular day, 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:58.600 and then you would track those people down and then 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.000 you'd obtain a statement them to see if it was 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.960 Rachelle was one of those persons that was serving them 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:10.600 as a salesperson from the hole in the yard. And 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.000 I'm just a little bit perplexed as to why that 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.960 hasn't been done, something I certainly would have done in 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.440 the day, and not looking back in hindsight either, I 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:20.400 think it's very important. 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:25.120 Kevin Stephen Correll strenuously denies any involvement in Rochelle's murder 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.040 and has never been charged. He has willingly participated in 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.880 three records of interview with police and provided his DNA 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:38.680 to investigators. The coroner overseeing Rochelle's inquest made an open finding. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.040 The other tip that we have through is a security 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:46.240 guard who wants his identity protected. But he told us 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:51.320 an interesting story about a time and a conversation when 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:55.080 he worked with Kevin Correll on the Central Coast. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.000 Let's see what he has to say. 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.400 Okay, so I've worked with Covin eximately five times from 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.960 memory as a security guard. 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:05.360 What was he like to work with? 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.960 Pretty easy? Actually, he only really spoke when he felt 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.240 the need to. I did notice he was very observant 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.600 and always you know, kick the people he wanted to 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.320 talk to or if he had to ask them to 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.600 leave and whatnot. There was no major red flags at 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:22.000 the start. 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.679 Well, how would you describe him in his role? Was 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:26.879 he a good RSA marshal? 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.480 From what I saw, he was pretty good. He was 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.560 always observant and he would always like pull the security 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.520 up first. If he was ever worried about someone who 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.439 was intoxicated, and he would always ask if it's okay 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.000 to kick him out or come for a second opinion 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.959 at least, And yeah, he was usually good in that regard. 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:48.280 I didn't really notice him treating any patrons illy. 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.840 Did he take his job seriously from what I. 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.800 Could see most of the time, yes, and there were 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.080 sometimes where he did get a little bit lazy and 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.199 just chat to people to help time go by, but 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.160 he was usually as good at responding the calls when needed. 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.000 And did you ever have any conversations with him about 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.879 his life or any insights about him? 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:12.600 I did ask him once if he was thinking about 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.480 becoming a licensed security guard because he was an RSA Marshall, 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.520 and he told me that he's already a licensed security 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:22.040 guard and the reason why he doesn't do security at 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.920 the current time is because of his age and less responsibilities. 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.000 And did you do any research into whether he was 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:29.800 a licensed security guard. 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.280 As of recently? I have, yes, and I did the 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:35.680 online check you can do on the service New South 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.160 Wales UP. I used both alias as he went by, 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:39.480 and I found nothing. 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.080 On him any conversations that stand out to you that 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:42.760 you want to share. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.760 Yeah. So, last time I worked with Kevin, which probably 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.399 would have been December twenty twenty four, there was a 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.320 time when a patron came in who was a little 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:55.800 bit mentally challenged and told, you know, tell stories, but 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:57.600 you know, most of us just pretend to believe him 0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:59.520 and just let him go. And he doesn't really talk much. 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.119 After the patron had signed in and walked away and 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.119 did whatever he was going to do in the club, 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.480 Kevin looks at me and says, he's lying. And I said, 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:11.920 and I asked him, as based on how far that's 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:15.280 his story sounded, and Kevin said no. Kevin said, when 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.399 people lie, they subconsciously looked to the left. And I 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:20.000 paused for a second, and I said, do you have 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.600 a degree in psychology or are you former law enforcement 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.000 or anything like that? And then he said to me, 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.000 he said, he said, he used to work in psychology 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:33.639 many years ago, and he studied, he studied behavior and 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.200 lying and all that stuff. And he pretty much told 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.120 me and gave me some weird advice. You know, if 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.320 I ever want to save myself from getting in trouble, 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.200 he would tell me how to lie and get away 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.040 with wake. For example, you know, keep the details short 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:51.720 and simple, never overexaggerate. And he went on further to explain, like, 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:56.119 you know, how he's saved himself from traffic tickets to 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.320 sparing people's feelings and all that stuff. I can't quite 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:01.159 remember what he said, but he went on a little bit, 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:03.600 and I thought that that was really strange. I'm like, 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:07.399 that's being skilled at lying is very strange. But okay. 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.320