1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: She told me she has been told to be weary 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: of the owner at Kendon I know, and she moved 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: into Bargo. 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 2: She was scared. 5 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 3: He was sort of there in the background listening to. 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: What was going on. 7 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 4: Kevin looks at me and says he's lying. He would 8 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 4: tell me how the lion get away of life, for example. 9 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 4: You know, keep the details short and simple, never over exaggerate. 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 5: Welcome to the sixth update episode of Dear Rochelle. You're 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 5: behind the scenes access to this live podcast investigation series. 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 5: I'm your host, Ashley Hanson. Since the series began, so 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 5: many of you have reached out with information about the case. 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 5: It's a reminder that even the smallest memory could be 15 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 5: the missing piece. We're still encouraging anyone who might know 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 5: anything to get in touch, whether you want to speak 17 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 5: anonymously or on the record. In this bonus episode, I'm 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 5: joined by retired New South Wales detects you Damian Loon, 19 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 5: Rochelle's sister, Christy, her mum Anne, and Mindy, Christie's best friend. Together, 20 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 5: we'll go through some of the tips we've received and 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 5: the people. 22 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 6: Who we've since spoken to. We'll start with Wendy. 23 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 5: She was Rochelle's nail technician and got in touch a 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 5: few weeks ago. She told us that Rochelle called her 25 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 5: on the Thursday afternoon she went missing. 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: I owned a nail someone in Rosemeadow and Rachel was 27 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: a client who used to come in and that's where 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: I met her. Very funny lady. She never wasn't a regular. 29 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: She used to come, you know, she'd come, try to 30 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: come to get an in fields and that done, and 31 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: then you wouldn't see her for. 32 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: A couple of months and she'd just rock up. Can 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: I get a full set? 34 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 5: You know? 35 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: She never kept up with the maintenance. She wasn't one 36 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: to do that, you know. It was just, oh, I 37 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: just need a full set. She used to bite the 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: nails down to nothing, always trying to stick on her nail, 39 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: you know, when there's hardly in the nail bed there. 40 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: That Thursday she rang me wanting her to getting her 41 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: nails done. Wanted a full set again. I couldn't fit 42 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: her in. She wanted the afternoon because she was on 43 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: her way to Belmore to get the car radio fixed. 44 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it was her car radio or 45 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: was it a car for work. I can't remember, but 46 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: she was on a way to Bellmore because she was 47 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: driving and on the phone that she wanted to come 48 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: in after that about four point thirty five to come 49 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: in get her nails done, and I couldn't fit her 50 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 1: in because they're regulars. 51 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: I told her could do her. 52 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: In the morning, nine o'clock, so she said, yeah, she'd 53 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: have that appointment. 54 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 2: And yeah, that was the last I spoke to her. 55 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 5: And what makes you so convinced that she was driving 56 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 5: at the time? 57 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: I could hear it. I still remember that phone call. 58 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: Yeah she was driving, Yeah, she was driving, definitely driving 59 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: on her mobile while she she was going to Belmore 60 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: to get this car radio fixed. There's be half us too, 61 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: because I know I was getting ready to go and 62 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: pick up kids from school. 63 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 5: And did she tell you anything about her plans for 64 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 5: the June long weekend? 65 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: No? 66 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: No, I wish to God that i'd, let you know, 67 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: squeezed her in and had a good old chat with 68 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: her and found out. 69 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: I really wish I did. 70 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 5: How often did Rachelle come and get her nails done 71 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 5: from you? And what did she tell you about her life? 72 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: She used to come, like I said, periodically, she'd come off. 73 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I wouldn't see her two three months, 74 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: but then I'd see her where every month or every day. 75 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: She did keep up in the in fields for a 76 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: little while, and you know, we'd sit there and have 77 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: a chat. And you know, I used to let us 78 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: choose to smoke and the selling She's going to kitchen's 79 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: part and have a cigarette in there, and you know, 80 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: she'd we'd have some white a little bit of wine, 81 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, if we had some wine in the fridge 82 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: or you know, have and drink. 83 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: It was better when we're at home. 84 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: We always had a few drinks there while she was 85 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: getting the nails done, you know, a couple of drinks, 86 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: usually a cruiser or something like that would split between us. 87 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: And she told me a lot. 88 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: She told me she was. 89 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: Being told to be weary of the owner at Camden 90 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: by other employees. I'm assuming, but she's looked at him 91 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: as our father figure, she said. She said that she'd 92 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: received a large bouquet of flowers for a big sale. 93 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: I think it was that. 94 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: She had made I know when she moved into Bargo, 95 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: she was scared when she lived to move to Bargo, 96 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons she wanted Christy to 97 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: move in with her because she was frightened of the neighbor. 98 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: He was always leaving flowers for as she said, every 99 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: time she'd leave, he'd be there. Every time she'd come home, 100 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: he'd be there. So she was on edge with him. 101 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: She said she was a sleezy bat and you know, 102 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: a sleazy guy. Apparently I think he was married. But 103 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: she said he'd just come across very sleazy, and she 104 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: was scared of him. 105 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: She was scared of him. 106 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 6: How long before her death did she tell you this? 107 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: Probably two months before. It wasn't long after she moved 108 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: into Bago, two three months. It wasn't long after she'd 109 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: moved into Bago. 110 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 5: And did Rochelle have any fears that stem from her workplace? 111 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: No, she never known. She never she was told to 112 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: she was told to be careful. He was a sleazy 113 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: I don't know who told who told said that to her, 114 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: But that's what she said to me, she said, But 115 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: she said, just like that, a father figure to me. 116 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: You know, she always referred to him as a father 117 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: figure to her. She never you know, she never never 118 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: said that he was scared of She never mentioned anything 119 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: about being scared of him or anything like that. 120 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 6: But she was scared of her neighbor. 121 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 5: Of her neighbor, she was, and she did she describe 122 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 5: why she was scared of him, what he didn't. 123 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: She just got an eerie feeling around him, that she 124 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: would come home and he would pop out of nowhere. 125 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 1: When she was leaving, he'd be like near her car, 126 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: or he'd just always be there. She said, you know, 127 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: anytime I left, he would be out the front, or 128 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: if she arrived home, he'd end up being there. 129 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: Before she could get the key in the door, and 130 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: you know, he'd leave her flowers. Just gives him the creeps. 131 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 5: Christie, and do you have any thoughts about Wendy's memories 132 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 5: of leading up to Rochelle's death. 133 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 7: He definitely was a sleeze, was tolerable. I didn't know 134 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 7: he was hanging around like that. 135 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, I agree with that he did just pop up 136 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 8: out of nowhere. I remember washing up at the kitchen 137 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 8: sink and looking up and he was. 138 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 6: Out the back. 139 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 5: Why are you here? 140 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 8: And that's why he's always been one that I've been 141 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 8: a bit suspicious of. 142 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 5: Bruce the neighbor has now been charged and has always 143 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 5: vehemently denied any involvement in Rochelle's murder. He willingly took 144 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 5: part in police interviews, provided his DNA, and gave evidence 145 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 5: at the inquest into Rochelle's death. 146 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 8: Her comments about Rochelle's feeling about Kevin, that's one hundred 147 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 8: percent right, that's how that's sort of how she spoke 148 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 8: about him, and that's sort of how she interacted with him. 149 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 6: So that's that's accurate. 150 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 8: The thing that I find interesting is the comment about Bellemore, 151 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 8: and I've asked Shane about that. I've asked Shane what's 152 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 8: at Bellemore? Where would she been going. There's an auctions 153 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 8: at Bellemore, and apparently Rochelle and Kevin would go to 154 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 8: the auctions at Bellemore. So I was wondering whether that 155 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 8: there might be something in that because I don't know 156 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 8: if she was driving. She's the only one that's mentioned 157 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 8: Rachelle driving to Bellmore soon. 158 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 9: That's in the afternoon of that too. 159 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 5: This is at two thirty, so she's obviously come back 160 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 5: because Kathy Thelander says she has the kids, so she'd 161 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 5: picked them up from school at three point thirty and 162 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 5: then with her sister they went in either around three 163 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 5: thirty four o'clock and they were there, and Rochelle was there, 164 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 5: and they were there all afternoon. 165 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 8: Because if she's got if there was something wrong with 166 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 8: the stereo and that I don't know about, and she's 167 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 8: dropped it off to someone at Belmore, that may be 168 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 8: the reason why it wasn't in the car when she 169 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 8: called me, I could only hear engine noise. I couldn't 170 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 8: hear I mean like she could have just turned the 171 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 8: sound off obviously, because she was on the phone, driving 172 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 8: and smoking. I couldn't hear any radio noise when I 173 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 8: spoke to her on the phone. 174 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 9: I'm just saying, surely someone would have come forward to 175 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 9: say that she'd dropped her stereo off for bad repair. 176 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 8: Yeah, and the cover was in her bag, so she 177 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 8: obviously if she took that out, she would have put 178 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 8: the cover on it. Like you'd need the cover on 179 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 8: it if it was getting fixed or whatever, you'd have 180 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 8: to have the. 181 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 9: Work, and it was it was a commonplace for her 182 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 9: to take the face played off. It may have been 183 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 9: an item from the car that needed to be fixed. 184 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 9: She just ran up to Billmore to drop it off 185 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 9: and came and on the way back she rang Wendy 186 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 9: to try and get her in through a nail job 187 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 9: she couldn't get in, but we certainly do know that 188 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 9: on that timeline that she was back at Camden Holden 189 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 9: later that afternoon. It was Kathy Thielander sees her and 190 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 9: in the car ya, So we're still sticking by the 191 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 9: scenario that she left that car late that afternoon and 192 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 9: was shortainly spotted thereafter by a council ranger when she 193 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 9: flicked a cigarette but out the window. So those timings 194 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 9: are very important, particularly because the timestamps her movement. 195 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 5: Okay, next we have Kathy thee Lander's sister Charlene, who 196 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 5: was at the car yard on the Thursday afternoon and 197 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 5: one of Rachelle's last cuss. 198 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: I realized that I saw her on the day that 199 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 3: she died, but I didn't realize till a long time 200 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: after that actually that I was one of the last 201 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 3: people to actually see her. 202 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 6: Do you have any memories of that day seeing Rochelle. 203 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a really clear memory, actually, because because 204 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,599 Speaker 3: you know, she was murdered that night, it sort of 205 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 3: stuck in my head all these years that you know, 206 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 3: I was there on the day that she was murdered, 207 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: and so I was there at Camden Holden with my 208 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: sister and my young nieces and my sister was collecting 209 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 3: a car and Rochelle was the person we were dealing 210 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: with there. 211 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 6: Take me through that afternoon. 212 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 5: Do you remember what time you arrived at Camden Holden 213 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 5: and what Rochelle was up to that day? 214 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it. 215 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 3: Would have been late in the afternoon, and I have 216 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: a clear recollection of her because she really stuck in 217 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: my mind as because I knew she was only young, 218 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 3: but she was so confident and so professional, and it 219 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 3: really stuck in my mind that that's how she was 220 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 3: because I was in my thirties and she was only 221 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 3: in her early twenties, and I remember thinking, wow, you know, 222 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: she really seemed to have it all together. She was 223 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 3: very professional in her dealings. I actually even remember the 224 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 3: outfit she had on that she had on a pants 225 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 3: suit and a shirt. 226 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: And so she. 227 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 3: Was dealing with mostly my sister, you know, I was 228 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: introduced to her and she was just talking about the 229 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 3: car and the finance and all that they were doing. 230 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 3: And so we were in the yard and then in 231 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 3: the railway carriage that was there that was the office 232 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 3: for the news car sales. 233 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 5: Were there any other workers there helping assisting your sister. 234 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, So there was a. 235 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 3: Guy that was there, an older man with quite dark hair, 236 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 3: and I remember he had on a long coat, and 237 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 3: I hadn't seen him before because I had actually been 238 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 3: to Camden Holden many times because my brother in law 239 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 3: worked there, so I'd actually even been out with some 240 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: Camden Holding people on functions and things like that. But 241 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: I didn't recognize this man, and he was in the 242 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 3: background the whole time. So we were dealing with Rochelle, 243 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: but he was sort of there in the background listening 244 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 3: to what was going on. You always sort of seemed 245 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: to be in the frame wherever we were in our 246 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 3: dealings with Rachelle. And I remember saying to my sister, 247 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 3: who's that because it just seemed odd that he was 248 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 3: sort of there, and she's told me, Hi, it was 249 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: that it was Kevin. 250 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,599 Speaker 2: And I remember. 251 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: Very clearly saying to my sister, you know, oh, he 252 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 3: seems like a bit of a slave's bag, and that's 253 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 3: sort of terminology I want to use. 254 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 5: Back then, can you tell me about Rochelle's demeanor that 255 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 5: day and what you remember. 256 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I remember that she seemed happy, she was 257 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: very pleasant, very professional in her dealings about the car, 258 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 3: sort of a bubbly, sort of bright personality, you know. 259 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 3: I remember thinking that about her, what sort of You 260 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 3: know that there's some people who were just sort of, 261 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 3: you know, your interactions with the more joyful, and that's 262 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 3: how it felt. She did leave earlier, though, like we 263 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 3: were there with her, and she said that she did 264 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: have to leave, and I remember she got in her 265 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: car and sort of waved to it so as she 266 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: drove away. So we were there for longer than what 267 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 3: you know she was she left before we left. 268 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 6: Do you know what time that was? 269 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I don't know, so it was late afternoon 270 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: when we got there, so we were probably there for 271 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 3: at least an hour, so I would have said four 272 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: thirty five, you know, if I had to pinpoint a time, 273 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 3: it was just I know, we didn't get there till 274 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 3: late afternoon though. 275 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 6: Did you ever do a formal statement with police? 276 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: No, And that's why I wasn't aware that, you know, 277 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 3: we were some of the last people to see her 278 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 3: because the police never contacted me. They never asked me 279 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: to do an interview. And I remember saying to my sister, 280 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: who I was there with it on that day. How 281 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 3: strange that they've never contacted me. I always thought it 282 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 3: was quite odd, and yeah, I just and it wasn't 283 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: really until I've been listening to the podcast that I 284 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: realized that we were actually the last people to see her. 285 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: And then I thought, again, how strange that they didn't 286 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 3: come and ask details. I mean, you know, I've got 287 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: quite a good memory, and I can remember all these 288 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 3: details all these years later, but obviously if they'd interviewed 289 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 3: me sooner, I would have remembered more. 290 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 10: What's your reaction to that, Christy Nanne, Well, she backs 291 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 10: up everything Kathy says, which is nice to have someone 292 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 10: confirming that that's. 293 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 6: Fact. 294 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 8: I would assume. 295 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 6: I think it's. 296 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 8: Important that she says that, you know, if someone had 297 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 8: spoken to her earlier, she might have remembered more details. 298 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 8: That's frustrating, but yeah, I love that she's, you know, 299 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 8: same with Kathy said that she was so lovely and bubbly, 300 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 8: and I think, you know, having Kevin follow them around, 301 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 8: that's weird. And I know that Kathy said that there 302 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 8: were issues with the finance and that the paperwork went missing, 303 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 8: and I don't know whether perhaps there was something dodgy 304 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 8: going on and that's why he was so closely following 305 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 8: them around and listening, because yeah, that could be a 306 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 8: reason why I'd been to Camden Holden many times and 307 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 8: Kevin was always there, but I wouldn't say that he 308 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 8: would follow her around. So it's interesting that he was 309 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 8: following them around that afternoon. I find that strange and 310 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 8: I would like to know why. 311 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 6: Damien, what are your thoughts on Charlene's interview. 312 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 9: Well in relation to her not being spoken to by 313 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 9: police is interesting because one of the first things you 314 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 9: would do and you go to the workplace of the 315 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 9: victim and under research warrant, you would make the diaries 316 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 9: and the day books, any receipt any receipt book, any 317 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 9: applications that have been made for finance on that particular day, 318 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 9: and then you would track those people down and then 319 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 9: you'd obtain a statement them to see if it was 320 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 9: Rachelle was one of those persons that was serving them 321 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 9: as a salesperson from the hole in the yard. And 322 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 9: I'm just a little bit perplexed as to why that 323 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 9: hasn't been done, something I certainly would have done in 324 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 9: the day, and not looking back in hindsight either, I 325 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 9: think it's very important. 326 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 5: Kevin Stephen Correll strenuously denies any involvement in Rochelle's murder 327 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 5: and has never been charged. He has willingly participated in 328 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 5: three records of interview with police and provided his DNA 329 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 5: to investigators. The coroner overseeing Rochelle's inquest made an open finding. 330 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 5: The other tip that we have through is a security 331 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 5: guard who wants his identity protected. But he told us 332 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 5: an interesting story about a time and a conversation when 333 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 5: he worked with Kevin Correll on the Central Coast. 334 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 6: Let's see what he has to say. 335 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 4: Okay, so I've worked with Covin eximately five times from 336 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 4: memory as a security guard. 337 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 5: What was he like to work with? 338 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 4: Pretty easy? Actually, he only really spoke when he felt 339 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 4: the need to. I did notice he was very observant 340 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 4: and always you know, kick the people he wanted to 341 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 4: talk to or if he had to ask them to 342 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 4: leave and whatnot. There was no major red flags at 343 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 4: the start. 344 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 5: Well, how would you describe him in his role? Was 345 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 5: he a good RSA marshal? 346 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 4: From what I saw, he was pretty good. He was 347 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 4: always observant and he would always like pull the security 348 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 4: up first. If he was ever worried about someone who 349 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 4: was intoxicated, and he would always ask if it's okay 350 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 4: to kick him out or come for a second opinion 351 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 4: at least, And yeah, he was usually good in that regard. 352 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 4: I didn't really notice him treating any patrons illy. 353 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 6: Did he take his job seriously from what I. 354 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 4: Could see most of the time, yes, and there were 355 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 4: sometimes where he did get a little bit lazy and 356 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 4: just chat to people to help time go by, but 357 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 4: he was usually as good at responding the calls when needed. 358 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 5: And did you ever have any conversations with him about 359 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 5: his life or any insights about him? 360 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 4: I did ask him once if he was thinking about 361 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 4: becoming a licensed security guard because he was an RSA Marshall, 362 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 4: and he told me that he's already a licensed security 363 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 4: guard and the reason why he doesn't do security at 364 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 4: the current time is because of his age and less responsibilities. 365 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 5: And did you do any research into whether he was 366 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 5: a licensed security guard. 367 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 4: As of recently? I have, yes, and I did the 368 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 4: online check you can do on the service New South 369 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 4: Wales UP. I used both alias as he went by, 370 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 4: and I found nothing. 371 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 5: On him any conversations that stand out to you that 372 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 5: you want to share. 373 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. So, last time I worked with Kevin, which probably 374 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 4: would have been December twenty twenty four, there was a 375 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 4: time when a patron came in who was a little 376 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 4: bit mentally challenged and told, you know, tell stories, but 377 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 4: you know, most of us just pretend to believe him 378 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 4: and just let him go. And he doesn't really talk much. 379 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 4: After the patron had signed in and walked away and 380 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 4: did whatever he was going to do in the club, 381 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 4: Kevin looks at me and says, he's lying. And I said, 382 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 4: and I asked him, as based on how far that's 383 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 4: his story sounded, and Kevin said no. Kevin said, when 384 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 4: people lie, they subconsciously looked to the left. And I 385 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 4: paused for a second, and I said, do you have 386 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 4: a degree in psychology or are you former law enforcement 387 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 4: or anything like that? And then he said to me, 388 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 4: he said, he said, he used to work in psychology 389 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 4: many years ago, and he studied, he studied behavior and 390 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 4: lying and all that stuff. And he pretty much told 391 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 4: me and gave me some weird advice. You know, if 392 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 4: I ever want to save myself from getting in trouble, 393 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 4: he would tell me how to lie and get away 394 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 4: with wake. For example, you know, keep the details short 395 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 4: and simple, never overexaggerate. And he went on further to explain, like, 396 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 4: you know, how he's saved himself from traffic tickets to 397 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 4: sparing people's feelings and all that stuff. I can't quite 398 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 4: remember what he said, but he went on a little bit, 399 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 4: and I thought that that was really strange. I'm like, 400 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 4: that's being skilled at lying is very strange. But okay. 401 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 5: And did Kevin tell you anything about his personal life, 402 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 5: about his relationships. 403 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 4: Only that he was seeing a girl over in Thaireland 404 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 4: and he was, and he mentioned that he would go 405 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 4: there every three months or so. And he showed me 406 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 4: a picture of this woman in Thailand and she looked 407 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 4: she looked really young. I was, I was quite concerned 408 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 4: about the age difference, but changed out she was an adult. 409 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 4: But yeah, I did find out a bit odd. 410 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 5: Did he say anything more about this woman that he 411 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 5: met in Thailand? 412 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 4: No, other than he just works as much as he 413 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 4: can to afford to go over there every three months 414 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 4: or so. And I do remember him mentioning that he 415 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 4: he thought it was going really well and would often 416 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 4: say that he's He did imagine at one point that 417 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 4: he was contemplating moving over there permanently. 418 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 5: Christie Ann, what's your reaction to the security guard's comments 419 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 5: about Kevin. 420 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know what to think really, to actually 421 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 8: tell people that you are skilled at lying and that 422 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 8: you've gotten away with so much in the past because 423 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 8: you keep the detail short and then and then he 424 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 8: goes on to lie and so that he has a 425 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 8: background in psychology and he's worked in psychology, and he's 426 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 8: studied and he had done this, which you know he 427 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 8: clearly has not done. 428 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 6: And he also said that he. 429 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 8: Was a registered security guard or he was but it 430 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 8: was lapsed. 431 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 6: So he just. 432 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 8: Proves that he is a he is a very skilled 433 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 8: liar and yeah, and he obviously prides himself on that, 434 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 8: which is kind of disgusting. 435 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 9: What struck me the most important piece of conversation that 436 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 9: came out from their former workmate was the fact that 437 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 9: Kevin said, you know, you keep your lies simple and 438 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 9: you don't exaggerate. Now, throughout my career as an investigator, 439 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 9: I've come across it on numerous occasions where the offender 440 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 9: says a very short sentence which they can easily remember 441 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 9: if they start to exaggerate, they don't really recall that 442 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 9: detail of the exaggeration years later. But if you keep 443 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 9: a short sentence, like one sentence like Lynn Dawson allegedly 444 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 9: he told someone that I received a letter from her 445 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 9: and he kept that up all those for many many years. 446 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 9: And that's a short, simple sentence you can't not forget 447 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 9: and a skillful lie. Skill for someone who in the 448 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 9: art of deceiving, does that they keep their sentences very 449 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 9: short and to the fact where it's believable, and you 450 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 9: don't over exaggerate, because that's where you come unstuck years later. 451 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 5: You're right, though, Christy, it is concerning that someone prides 452 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 5: themselves online. 453 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 8: He lied to Rochelle. He said that he was a 454 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 8: detective in a park life. He's lied to his own children, 455 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 8: I was a psychologist. If he has had nothing to 456 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 8: do with Rochelle's death, because he does create these web 457 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 8: of lies, he makes himself look so guilty and also 458 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 8: making up lies about Rochelle, like saying that she was 459 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 8: involved with the rebels and bikey gangs. You know, he's 460 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 8: building this lie around Rochelle and actually trying to tarnish 461 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 8: her character by telling people that she's involved with You 462 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 8: know what could what is described by police as being 463 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 8: a criminal gang. How disgusting after someone's died, someone who's 464 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 8: apparently so special to you, who you know you went 465 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 8: and sobbed to people at a car yard about her death, 466 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 8: that you're so upset about it, But yet you're quite 467 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 8: willing to tell everyone that she was involved with a 468 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 8: criminal gang and into you know, doing things that were 469 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 8: potentially criminal. And for what reason, I don't know. 470 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 7: He's just trying to deflect as much as he possibly could, 471 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 7: just to get it away from him. 472 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 6: But he didn't follow through. 473 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 7: He didn't care, He never spoke to us in nothing, 474 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 7: in no way was he even wanting to help. 475 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 8: That's right, And absolutely no regard for Rochelle's memory or 476 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 8: legacy or you know, her character, Absolutely no regard for 477 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 8: any of that or for her family. 478 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 9: Unfortunately, throughout all the investigations, there's always they always throw 479 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 9: in a red heiring for you to go off track, 480 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 9: to throw and they do it on purpose to throw 481 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 9: you off track so you could start looking somewhere else. 482 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 9: But it's a red herring. But it you have to 483 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 9: investigate them, then you have to eliminate that allegation or 484 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 9: the bike is we're involved, et cetera. So that's the 485 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 9: red herring, and I have plenty of those in my service, 486 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 9: but you've got to and they do take time to 487 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 9: track down and eliminate the alibi or confirm or deny 488 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 9: the alibi. So you know this is not unusual. A 489 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 9: good croop will keep their lives to one sentence. A 490 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 9: bad crop will give you a page and a half 491 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 9: of allegations or what they've done afterwards or prior. They're 492 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 9: the ones that we catch very easily. The ones that 493 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 9: keep it short are difficult. 494 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 5: So these are people that are coming forward and speaking 495 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 5: up to the podcast, which is a good thing. We 496 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 5: learn more information when these people come forward, and just 497 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 5: those little pieces of information will help to see the 498 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 5: bigger picture. 499 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 9: I was interviewed last Saturday morning by Luke Grant on 500 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 9: two GB and I raised that issue, or said, it's 501 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 9: a wonderful thing that the community now are asking questions 502 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 9: and they can ask a question to the podcast by 503 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 9: visiting the website. And I said, it's wonderful that you 504 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 9: know people are out there, they're smart, they're asking some 505 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 9: very good questions and where they're being answered to it 506 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 9: by us on a weekly basis. Well when we need 507 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 9: to do it, and we just have to promote that, 508 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 9: keep promoting, because you know, we're going to get a 509 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 9: bill breakthrough here. I can see it coming. 510 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 8: I think it's great that, you know, and thinking about 511 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 8: the amount of people that would have gone through that 512 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 8: kaya that day, I think there's probably other customers who 513 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 8: we haven't heard from as well, which I would really 514 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 8: like to hear from, and other people that she might 515 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 8: have messaged or spoken to that day. It's so heartening 516 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 8: that we've had so many people come forward and want 517 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 8: to help, and I think that that's I think that's beautiful. 518 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 8: And I have a feeling that these cold cases, you know, 519 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 8: going forward from here, all these other cold cases, I 520 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 8: think that this medium is something that needs to be 521 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 8: used because you're not gonna, yeah, you're not going to 522 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 8: solve it by looking back over the same information that 523 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 8: we've always had and everyone's read. You're not going to 524 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 8: solve it by reading the exact same things. We need 525 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 8: more people to come forward and give us these little 526 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 8: nuggets of information. And I'm just so incredibly grateful to 527 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 8: all these beautiful people who, yeah, particularly you know, those 528 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 8: really strong women who have had you know who are 529 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 8: potentially putting themselves in danger or damaging relationships by coming 530 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 8: forward to help us. 531 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 6: For Rochelle, it's just yeah, it's beautiful. 532 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 5: New episodes of Deer Rochelle drop on Fridays. 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