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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Brave Always the CEO series.
Speaker 2: This series, we launch into the new world of brave leadership.
Speaker 3: Happy people create happy businesses, true.
Speaker 1: Emotionally intelligent leadership.
Speaker 2: I've picked up vomit once on our about our fourth flight,
Speaker 2: and everybody thought, well, if it's good enough for him,
Speaker 2: I can do it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: We will be joined by culture and leadership.
Speaker 2: Experts and some superstar CEOs who will courageously tell us
Speaker 2: the truth behind their brave leadership journeys. Today I am
Speaker 2: joined by the amazing and one of my favorite, d Rook.
Speaker 1: Functional training expert.
Speaker 2: D'arrook trains superheroes, Navy seals, firefighters, law enforcement, and Chris Hemsworth,
Speaker 2: a certified strength and Conditioning specialist with a Bachelor of
Speaker 2: Science and Kinesiology. He is the creator of Raw Functional
Speaker 2: Training RFT, a revolutionary approach to movement.
Speaker 3: Welcome Rourke, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: You know, it's so nice to see you. It's been
Speaker 1: a while. It's been a couple of years actually.
Speaker 2: Later for people who don't know Rooke, obviously a lot
Speaker 2: of people in Stratium might know you from the Center
Speaker 2: app because I feel like that's something they might have
Speaker 2: seen you a lot on and I can tell people
Speaker 2: firsthand if you haven't done it.
Speaker 1: Rook's pretty. He's frightening on the center. App he's not
Speaker 1: so frightening in personally.
Speaker 2: When I read these comments about you and people are like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, he killed me.
Speaker 1: He's so hardcore, I'm like, he's a teddy bear.
Speaker 3: Man, you know, you know that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: He's nice.
Speaker 2: I think it would be interesting just for the listeners
Speaker 2: who might have been not so familiar with you a
Speaker 2: bit more about like what your program does and what
Speaker 2: it is that you mainly do.
Speaker 3: Guys, you were saying, my educational backgrounds guinesiology, emphasis and biomechanics,
Speaker 3: and I did all my research on movement sequencing, so
Speaker 3: it's any type of movement secrecing and how it directly
Speaker 3: correlates to a drenal system management and nervous moptimization, So
Speaker 3: basically managing your drenal system and organizing your nervousism, so
Speaker 3: helping you think better and be more conditioned and control
Speaker 3: your adrenaline while you're in stressful situations. So for me,
Speaker 3: a lot of my training curricular foundation is all body
Speaker 3: weight based, so you don't have to utilize load or
Speaker 3: weight or anything. You pretty much just use your body weight.
Speaker 3: So it was something that I worked with a lot of,
Speaker 3: you know, professional athletes and lead athletes. I'd work with
Speaker 3: a lot of first responders just because they're in high
Speaker 3: stress situations. So whether that be fieries, law enforcement, military,
Speaker 3: et cetera, any type of stressful situations, I helped to
Speaker 3: manage that adrenaline. I started working with Chris, and when
Speaker 3: we did that, we started focusing a lot more on
Speaker 3: how that directly correlates to the metabolism and getting you
Speaker 3: functionally strong and getting your metabolism optimized. And so a
Speaker 3: lot of people loved it. It's hard, but it's like
Speaker 3: I said, people get scared of it, but you know
Speaker 3: it's not that scary.
Speaker 2: So you're talking about the kind of exercises you do
Speaker 2: or you teach these first responders help them lower their
Speaker 2: stress levels, they make better decisions in the moment.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because when you're doing movement sequencing, you know
Speaker 3: the methodology is all based in For example, if I
Speaker 3: told you to run around the track one time, easy day.
Speaker 3: But if I told you to change the movement pattern
Speaker 3: every ten meters, every five meters and I told you
Speaker 3: crawl backwards, cross sideways, hop skin, jump up, jump out,
Speaker 3: hop on one leg, move around, you'd be exhausted by
Speaker 3: the time. Because every time that we have to motor
Speaker 3: plan and figure out what the next sequence is, you're
Speaker 3: forcing not only your body but your brain to kind
Speaker 3: of come in line to figure that out. And that's
Speaker 3: where the adrenaline starts to increase, right, and your adrenal
Speaker 3: system gets elevated, and your nervous system has to maintain
Speaker 3: some balance so you can make correct decisions and recall
Speaker 3: that information from a cognitive perspective. So I've seen a
Speaker 3: lot of my training protocols be very applicable to not
Speaker 3: only elite athletes and first responders, but those in corporate
Speaker 3: leadership positions, et cetera. Because really, you want to sharpen
Speaker 3: the spear across the board. You not only want to
Speaker 3: be functionally strong and functionally efficient, but you also want
Speaker 3: to make sure neurologically that you are sharp and you're
Speaker 3: able to articulate and recall information and your cock through
Speaker 3: function as at a high level. And in order to
Speaker 3: do that, you have to be able to think while
Speaker 3: you're training. So a lot of us when we do training,
Speaker 3: we do a lot of things where we're just moving
Speaker 3: and we're trying to zone out. You kind of like,
Speaker 3: even if you go for a jog, you're you know,
Speaker 3: I don't want to think. I just want to move.
Speaker 3: And that's totally fine from a cardiovaster standpoint, But when
Speaker 3: you get into a functional movement perspective and try to
Speaker 3: be functionally more efficient, you have to always be thinking
Speaker 3: right And that's where the application comes in with a
Speaker 3: lot of first responders because when you go into situations
Speaker 3: i e. Through like a firey going into a building,
Speaker 3: law enforces are going in with Chase the suspect, you
Speaker 3: have to be thinking the entire time. You have to
Speaker 3: focus on your sensory processing and taking in all that
Speaker 3: data and the information around your surroundings and environment. But
Speaker 3: then you have to focus on getting your motive planning
Speaker 3: and your cognitive function at a high level so you
Speaker 3: can execute and utilize all that strength condition that you've
Speaker 3: been training for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's super interesting because I totally zone out when
Speaker 2: I exercise.
Speaker 1: This is not thinking at all.
Speaker 3: You just mean.
Speaker 2: Maybe what the next lyric is, But you know, I'm
Speaker 2: you're telling me I need to be thinking more when
Speaker 2: I'm exercising.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because I mean, for me, like a lot
Speaker 3: of the things that we do, I mean even from
Speaker 3: coal water emersion therapies and a lot of the stuff
Speaker 3: that's been doing right now. You know, I work with Plunge,
Speaker 3: and you know Andrew Huberman does a lot of the
Speaker 3: recover modalities. I've been doing a lot of the resilience
Speaker 3: protocols and understanding how anytime our body's put under stress,
Speaker 3: our ability to become more resilient is probably the most
Speaker 3: important thing, right because we're able to succeed and is
Speaker 3: important in learning how to win. But a lot of
Speaker 3: people do not know how to lose. I always tell
Speaker 3: people that I work with that I can't guarantee that
Speaker 3: you're gonna win, but I guarantee through the process you're
Speaker 3: going to lose and you're gonna fail. That's one hundred
Speaker 3: percent guarantee. And I think the trouble that a lot
Speaker 3: of people have is in those situations, their ability to
Speaker 3: overcome that and be more resilient is really the key.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm really glad you talked about resilience because
Speaker 2: resilient is a key part of what I talk about
Speaker 2: when it comes to leadership. Now, I talk a lot
Speaker 2: about resilience being the obstacles.
Speaker 1: Are the path.
Speaker 2: This is like how I describe it to a lot
Speaker 2: of paper, right, like the obstacles of the past, Like
Speaker 2: it's going to be that they're going to happen, But
Speaker 2: how do you prepare yourself for it?
Speaker 1: So how does d prepare himself to be resilient? No
Speaker 1: one will believe this in the world.
Speaker 2: They'll think that Darrual bounces out of bed every morning pumped,
Speaker 2: he's full of But.
Speaker 1: I reckon it's not true, erck. And some days you
Speaker 1: don't want to get out of bed.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely. I think that's a great question. And I
Speaker 3: think for me it's always about capacity. Increasing your capacity
Speaker 3: is always very important to me. There's pillars in doing so.
Speaker 3: And I think one of the most important things is
Speaker 3: you've got to have purpose, right, So there has to
Speaker 3: be a reason why you get up, reason why you're
Speaker 3: doing something. And so the purpose is kind of our
Speaker 3: GPS system. It kind of keeps our north star, It
Speaker 3: kind of keeps us going and keeps us in the
Speaker 3: right direction even when we get lost, and we all
Speaker 3: get lost in the process. Secondly, I think it's discipline.
Speaker 3: So discipline for us is really about making sure you're
Speaker 3: doing something even when you don't want to do it right,
Speaker 3: You've got to get up. If you've made a commitment
Speaker 3: to yourself, then you have to follow through in that
Speaker 3: commitment and do it whether you feel great about it,
Speaker 3: you don't feel great. You're going to be great some
Speaker 3: days you're not, but you stay disciplined. And then when
Speaker 3: you apply that discipline over time, that discipline then becomes consistency.
Speaker 3: And when you have a consistent discipline over time with
Speaker 3: a strong purpose, then you start to increase your capacity.
Speaker 3: And I think in order to become resilient, you have
Speaker 3: to have the capacity to manage the failures, manage the
Speaker 3: setbacks so that you can dust yourself off and get
Speaker 3: up and get back after it. And I think people
Speaker 3: sometimes look at it from a perspective of I need
Speaker 3: motivation or I need someone to inspire me. But unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I think when you focus too much on inspiration and motivation,
Speaker 3: they're not real. They're kind of fleeting emotions that sometimes
Speaker 3: work and sometimes don't. They're like, you know, those that
Speaker 3: utilize any type of crutch, whatever that may be, when
Speaker 3: they're stressed or they're sad, and they lean on it,
Speaker 3: it becomes this addiction. So I'm always about making resilience
Speaker 3: an addictions rather than be addicted to something that's not
Speaker 3: going to be supporting your overall goal and initiative. I
Speaker 3: find to lean a lot more on to just embrace
Speaker 3: things that are hard and embrace things that are challenging,
Speaker 3: because when you do that, it kind of resets your
Speaker 3: brain to kind of do more of that, embrace more
Speaker 3: of that. On a larger basis, We've.
Speaker 2: Talked to a lot of great leaders on this podcast,
Speaker 2: and a common denominator or theme that I've seen with
Speaker 2: everybody is they've all had to face or overcome some
Speaker 2: kind of adversity, right, Like, it's been a real common thing.
Speaker 2: And I think anyone I've spoken to hasn't had to
Speaker 2: go through something in order to get where they've got to.
Speaker 2: But is there been a challenge that you can think
Speaker 2: of or a moment you went through where you're like, well,
Speaker 2: that's kind of made me the person name today?
Speaker 1: Would you say that's the same for you?
Speaker 3: It's definitely not been an easy ride. I think through
Speaker 3: the process. I mean also, as you know, you know,
Speaker 3: like being a dad is always challenging, right because there's
Speaker 3: people that are counting on you, et cetera. But I
Speaker 3: think you start to second guess yourself a lot because
Speaker 3: all of us that are essentially whether you're working within
Speaker 3: a company or you're an entrepreneur, you have to lean
Speaker 3: on yourself. A lot of us lean on We're blessed
Speaker 3: to have good friends or family around us that will
Speaker 3: support us through different hardships and challenges. But as you
Speaker 3: kind of grow into yourself, you understand that it's really
Speaker 3: you got to pick yourself up and you have to
Speaker 3: understand it. And I think, looking back, I don't regret
Speaker 3: any of my setbacks. I don't regret any of my
Speaker 3: losses because that's where I learn the most, because I
Speaker 3: don't feel like you learn anything from wins. Anytime you
Speaker 3: win or you succeed, you learn nothing. It's kind of
Speaker 3: like you celebrate it. It's important to celebrate it. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, I think you don't learn anything.
Speaker 3: And I'm such a student of the game, the student
Speaker 3: of life, that I almost embrace failure. I embrace, you know,
Speaker 3: doing things that are not I'm not going to be
Speaker 3: proficient at. Because people tend to kind of shy away
Speaker 3: from those things, and you have to be willing to
Speaker 3: take ridicule and people to think that you're silly, you're
Speaker 3: a little different, You're not sitting in the same room
Speaker 3: as all of us. You're willing to stay longer, get early,
Speaker 3: you know, do things a little differently. And I think
Speaker 3: those are the people that I gravitate toward and I'm
Speaker 3: passionate about because when you lose, the fear of failing
Speaker 3: comes much stronger. So I think that's something that can
Speaker 3: be cultivated within a corporate environment as a culture, because
Speaker 3: most of the leaders, business leaders, you have an employees
Speaker 3: or base, you know, people that are counting on them
Speaker 3: for guidance and to give them to lead the ship.
Speaker 3: And so I think the culture you want to have
Speaker 3: is where everyone embraces that same perspective, which is it
Speaker 3: may not be fun, but understanding that, hey, we didn't
Speaker 3: succeed here, but we learned a lot and we're going
Speaker 3: to continue to learn as we move forward. And I
Speaker 3: think if that becomes the barometer for success, then you're
Speaker 3: on the right ship. And so I think that's where
Speaker 3: all of us are trying to get to at this point.
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you and surrounding yourself with people
Speaker 2: who back you and support you is great. But for me,
Speaker 2: it's always an element of self belief, right because to
Speaker 2: your people, right, you've got to have this self. But
Speaker 2: do you feel you've always had that? Like is that
Speaker 2: just been like you were born Drooks, like you know,
Speaker 2: he's always had self belief or is that something you've
Speaker 2: had to learn?
Speaker 3: I think it's inherently. I think it was something that
Speaker 3: you had to learn, And that's something I had to
Speaker 3: learn personally, you know, growing up. It was one of
Speaker 3: those things for me that I've always done think a
Speaker 3: little differently. I beat it to my own.
Speaker 1: Drum, can't imagine it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, exactly. So I'm always I've always been
Speaker 3: a little bit different when it comes to that perspective,
Speaker 3: and I've been fascinating with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wanted to talk you about this because you're
Speaker 2: based in California, right, Yes, yes, so it would be
Speaker 2: when would be one of the places where the most
Speaker 2: pressure to be somebody or to look a certain way
Speaker 2: or to behave a certain way. Right, So how hard
Speaker 2: is it like when you talk about authenticity and I
Speaker 2: know this of you, you're a very loving fun, you know.
Speaker 1: But here's a big question for you. Sure is that
Speaker 1: the authentic you?
Speaker 3: That's a great question. And I think I'm much more
Speaker 3: of an introvert. I'm not an exterpt. You would think
Speaker 3: i'ld be an out loud but that it really drains
Speaker 3: my energy if you could be like an outgoing introvert, right,
Speaker 3: So I need my time to kind of find out
Speaker 3: is that who you are as well? Entirely right, because
Speaker 3: I what happens is that you give so much. Because
Speaker 3: when I'm engaged and we're getting involved in some type
Speaker 3: of an event or some type of business venture or whatever,
Speaker 3: you're all in. Like I'm all in. But I think
Speaker 3: some people are able to kind of manage that where
Speaker 3: they'll give like sixty percent seventy percent of their energy.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do that. I just go
Speaker 3: one hundred percent in and I'm like everything's going into it.
Speaker 3: But what happens is that I realize, like if I
Speaker 3: don't take time to sit back and recover and find
Speaker 3: my balance, and if I don't take time to do
Speaker 3: those things, that's where I start to have issues. I
Speaker 3: think I lose my creativity, I lose my drive, I
Speaker 3: lose a lot of those things. So I think it's
Speaker 3: important to have time to have balance. And that's where
Speaker 3: I think there's a direct correlation m to in the
Speaker 3: training world that I live in, everyone was so focused
Speaker 3: on performance for so long. Right, there's three pillars in
Speaker 3: my business, which is performance, recovery, and wellness. Those are
Speaker 3: the three pillars. So you sit in one of those
Speaker 3: three pillars, and I think for so long people are
Speaker 3: off performance. If you don't focus on the recovery and
Speaker 3: taking care of yourself and recovering from that training and
Speaker 3: that performance, right, then it directly starts affect your third pillar,
Speaker 3: which is the wellness, which is you just your overall
Speaker 3: health and wellness and my mental and physical health. So
Speaker 3: I think from my standpoint in business and in general,
Speaker 3: we were talking about being those insurants. I need that
Speaker 3: because when I started to find out early in my
Speaker 3: career is that I would push so hard into performance
Speaker 3: and giving that then you have nothing left for recovery
Speaker 3: and this pillar starts to crumble, then your wellness crumbles
Speaker 3: as well. So I think balance is something that we
Speaker 3: all find We all have different types of balance and
Speaker 3: levels of balance, but I think it's important that we
Speaker 3: find that part of ourselves that is a balance. And
Speaker 3: I applaud those that could be totally extroverts and they're
Speaker 3: just like they need it. But I definitely need my
Speaker 3: quiet time and my time to reset and find my
Speaker 3: balance again.
Speaker 2: Look, I've got a big smile on my face because
Speaker 2: I find it very had to explain to people. Everyone
Speaker 2: thinks I'm allowed extraver all the time. M's always out
Speaker 2: there and she's always crazy. It's one hundred percent I'm not.
Speaker 2: I You call them my Patagonia days, right, This is
Speaker 2: my name for it, which means I just want to
Speaker 2: move to Patagonia and lie in a field and no
Speaker 2: one talked to me for like two weeks.
Speaker 1: So some days I have those days.
Speaker 3: Do you ever feel like you're putting on it? Like
Speaker 3: you have to put on the mask? Like you can
Speaker 3: wear the mask if you have to, you throw on
Speaker 3: the mask. You can be that total high energy like
Speaker 3: I put the mask on. But that mask ares get
Speaker 3: heavy and uncomfortable at a certain point, and I can't imagine.
Speaker 3: I try to liken it to people that, so you
Speaker 3: put a mask on, you wear it, everyone loves it.
Speaker 3: But then when you want to go to sleep, you
Speaker 3: have to wear the mask to there has some color
Speaker 3: of time. We take the mask off and you just
Speaker 3: kind of reset yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, right, And I just think that what's
Speaker 2: important for leader is as well is for a lot
Speaker 2: of us there is that mask all the time, like
Speaker 2: you've got to step up, You've got to you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes you're going to show up when you don't want
Speaker 2: to show up. But you're right if you're not taking
Speaker 2: that time out to recover, right, because time's tough, like
Speaker 2: people are time Paul basically right, So when do you
Speaker 2: find this time to recover and do this for you?
Speaker 2: And I have found over the years I have felt
Speaker 2: that level of burnout and lost my creativity at times
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I don't have anything left in the tank.
Speaker 3: You have to fill it up, you have to plan
Speaker 3: it out. If you don't, you're going to run out
Speaker 3: of gas and then you're stuck on the side.
Speaker 2: But this is I think where vulnerability comes in the
Speaker 2: right to the play, because what sells or what's interesting
Speaker 2: or what people often admire is the go go, go,
Speaker 2: go go.
Speaker 1: And this is where imposter.
Speaker 2: Syndrome comes in, right, because everyone thinks I can't compete
Speaker 2: with that because I can't be that person. I mean,
Speaker 2: there be people out there that think I'm never going
Speaker 2: to be like, well, sure right, and they never will.
Speaker 2: But but you but they'll have this like level where
Speaker 2: they'll go, I can't get there. But actually you've got
Speaker 2: another side to the coin right where you need to
Speaker 2: reboot and ranogize.
Speaker 3: But don't you agreek up that mean with you with
Speaker 3: your friends and the people that you know. I think
Speaker 3: everyone has another side of the coin. It's just how
Speaker 3: well they hide it or how they're willing to express it.
Speaker 3: There's just there's no way, no matter who it is,
Speaker 3: the most high profile person has another side of the coin.
Speaker 3: So I think when you talk about vulnerability, it's much
Speaker 3: more about being honest with yourself, right, And I think
Speaker 3: you cannot be vulnerable unless you're honest. If you're not honest,
Speaker 3: you're not really being vulnerable because you're still hiding. You're
Speaker 3: still hiding you trying to like pretend that you're this
Speaker 3: or that. But you have to be honest that I'm
Speaker 3: not superhuman, that this is who I am. When I go,
Speaker 3: I go, when I go to the best my ability
Speaker 3: and I go full throttle. I kick ass teck names.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, there has to come a
Speaker 3: time where you have to reset. And it's not bad,
Speaker 3: it's actually necessary. I don't think it's like natural, like oh,
Speaker 3: it's just your human It's necessary. Every peak performer that
Speaker 3: I've ever been around, elite athletes, elite Olympic athletes, lead
Speaker 3: professional athletes, elite tactical you know, operators from the standpoint
Speaker 3: of military set all the same. They have to recover.
Speaker 3: You know, if they go on like for example, guys
Speaker 3: that are like on seal teams, they'll go on deployment
Speaker 3: and they're intense. When they come back there ghosts. You
Speaker 3: cannot find them. They need time alone, they need tell
Speaker 3: to family, they need to times solo. They have to reset.
Speaker 3: That's how we are, that's how we're built. So I
Speaker 3: think this whole culture of just go, go go, I'll
Speaker 3: rest later. I think people equate resting to laziness, and
Speaker 3: it's not resting is to be very thoughtful, mindful of
Speaker 3: laziness rest. You have to find an adequate amount of
Speaker 3: time and optimal rest in recovery. If you do, then
Speaker 3: you'll be able to have a higher quality of performance
Speaker 3: in time that you're training. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to ask you to flashback.
Speaker 2: I don't know how long you need to flash pack,
Speaker 2: but let's go at twenty year old d'arrooke, you're twenty.
Speaker 3: Years old, son of a bitch, that was.
Speaker 1: I'd love to see what that looks like a picture
Speaker 1: for me? Do we have do we have less? Hear more?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 1: I don't know?
Speaker 3: We have hair back? Then? The hair, all the hair,
Speaker 3: eyes all escaped, they all left, they left the building,
Speaker 3: they ran. I tried to keep them on where they left.
Speaker 2: Well, you're a bit like the rock, right, Like I've
Speaker 2: got this vision of the rock like a big loft
Speaker 2: to hair back then, But what's the best advice you would.
Speaker 1: Give twenty year old d'arrook? Right now?
Speaker 3: You know, at twenty years old, when you're young, I
Speaker 3: think we always gauge ourselves based on our success. And
Speaker 3: like so, I was so definitely afraid of failing or
Speaker 3: not knowing what to do. The advice I would give
Speaker 3: myself back then is it's okay, don't be afraid to
Speaker 3: not know, but keep moving forward. I think progress For me.
Speaker 3: I struggled and I got paralyzed a lot of times
Speaker 3: mentally by thinking I'm going to make the wrong decision.
Speaker 3: I think I got paralyzed many times, going I don't
Speaker 3: know what to do, so I'm just not going.
Speaker 1: To do anything so common, so common, right, And I think.
Speaker 3: Those are things that we, I mean, people still struggle
Speaker 3: with that now. I mean I think for me, I
Speaker 3: would think I would tell myself it's okay not to know,
Speaker 3: just as long as you keep going forward. And I
Speaker 3: think another thing I tell myself is if you fail,
Speaker 3: it's good, It's okay you're supposed to, but understand that,
Speaker 3: embrace it with the perspective of you're going to fail,
Speaker 3: you're not going to be great at it, but you
Speaker 3: still want to continue to down that path, keep doing it.
Speaker 3: If you don't like something great, let's understand it. But
Speaker 3: don't stop something just because you're not good at it.
Speaker 2: A couple of last things I want to ask you,
Speaker 2: and one of those is around and it's one of
Speaker 2: the things I love about you. So enjoy, as you know,
Speaker 2: is my business. Joy is a big factor of it, right,
Speaker 2: because life should be fun. Right. I spoke to this
Speaker 2: really interesting lady. Her name is Mets Speakes. She produces
Speaker 2: things like Big Brother and Farmer wants.
Speaker 1: A wife and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: She's really cool, lady, But she said this thing that
Speaker 2: it's our job as leaders of our craft or whatever
Speaker 2: we do, it's our job to make it interesting. And
Speaker 2: I love that, right Like, she believes we should make
Speaker 2: it interesting, make it fun. Like where does joy come
Speaker 2: into the stuff that you do?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Why is it so obviously important to you?
Speaker 2: Right? Like, you're not this super serious, don't smile, don't
Speaker 2: bring joy?
Speaker 1: Like where does the joy that come from?
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting because you told me just now
Speaker 3: that lady had said to you that it's our job
Speaker 3: to make it interesting for me in fitness and movement,
Speaker 3: I try to not overcomplicate it because in my industry
Speaker 3: people try to overcomplicate. That's how the industry, my industry
Speaker 3: works and generates revenue. Is that let me try the
Speaker 3: new thing. This is how you do it, and you
Speaker 3: have to learn this. You have to learn that, and
Speaker 3: you want to be a student of the game. Don't
Speaker 3: get me wrong, but the joy of moving is such
Speaker 3: a blessing because so many people can't write, and as
Speaker 3: you get older, people go I wish I could just
Speaker 3: walk around it out her. So the joy of moving
Speaker 3: is really just to demystify it and say, hey, listen,
Speaker 3: don't overcomplicate it. And if anything, that's where I try
Speaker 3: to embrace life. If you're just moving around every day,
Speaker 3: they're good to go. You don't have to do my training.
Speaker 3: You can do whatever you love, yoga, pilates, but do something.
Speaker 3: And that aligns with what we just talked about. From
Speaker 3: the perspective of what would you tell your twenty year
Speaker 3: old self, it's just keep moving, keep moving forward, and
Speaker 3: keep moving every day. Some days are better than others.
Speaker 3: But I think that our job in our industry is
Speaker 3: always to get people to go to try to move
Speaker 3: forward right, brave always, and bravery is not the absence
Speaker 3: of fear. Is the existence of fear and still going forward.
Speaker 3: Fear has to exist in order to be brave. If
Speaker 3: there's nothing to be scared of, there's no reason to
Speaker 3: be brave. So in order to be brave, we have
Speaker 3: to do that. So I think it's important for us
Speaker 3: that we get people moving. Some people are out there
Speaker 3: and go, how am I going to get back into shape?
Speaker 3: How am I going to do this? To fall off
Speaker 3: the bus? As long as you're brave, fears good, you're
Speaker 3: going to need that in order to get want to go.
Speaker 3: So it's a necessary component of the process. And I
Speaker 3: think for us as leaders in different areas of business,
Speaker 3: it's important to let people know it's okay to be scared,
Speaker 3: it's okay to be uncertain, it's okay to have doubt,
Speaker 3: because without that you're not going to be able to succeed.
Speaker 2: Was there ever an opportunity then that came upon your
Speaker 2: life where you wish you'd be more brave and taken it?
Speaker 3: You know? Interesting, when I was younger, I wished I
Speaker 3: would have traveled more. I think travel is one I
Speaker 3: wish I was open more to doing things that I
Speaker 3: wasn't great at because I think now I would appreciate
Speaker 3: if I was better at them now, even more so
Speaker 3: than travel. It's just going back and you're really a
Speaker 3: lot of the things that real poigtant questions are asking
Speaker 3: because they're triggering me to think about different things. And
Speaker 3: I think, which is great, which is why you're great
Speaker 3: at what you do. But I think for me it's
Speaker 3: much more about, you know, looking back, the regrets I
Speaker 3: have are my inability to stay consistent and discipline with
Speaker 3: things that were hard, and I wasn't good at because
Speaker 3: looking back, I wish I had that context or those
Speaker 3: skill based things that I would have gathered if I
Speaker 3: just would have tried it and not been afraid of
Speaker 3: not looking great at it, not being good at it,
Speaker 3: worrying about what other people say. That's another thing. I
Speaker 3: think that is one of the hardest things. We're so
Speaker 3: driven by our peers in our communities that they can
Speaker 3: inhibit us, right, because we tend to project fear to
Speaker 3: others that are inside ourselves. So don't do it. Don't
Speaker 3: try it in because that could be bad, you know, like,
Speaker 3: can I get it? But if you have conviction and
Speaker 3: that's what you want to do, a better route is
Speaker 3: that that is that sounds kind of scary. But if
Speaker 3: that's what you want to do, do you think that you
Speaker 3: want to try it? That's awesome. Fuck, I got your back,
Speaker 3: that's rat right, And I think growing up I didn't
Speaker 3: necessarily always have that around me, so it was kind
Speaker 3: of like, you know, what if I fail, what if
Speaker 3: I drop the ball? And I think those are things
Speaker 3: that looking back, those are the times that I doubted
Speaker 3: myself and I think I look back and I go, man,
Speaker 3: But you learn from them right. So I don't regret
Speaker 3: any of that those things, but I think that is
Speaker 3: the thing is and I try to you know, stand
Speaker 3: that in into my kids, and I also try to
Speaker 3: express that to anyone I work with. Is that you know,
Speaker 3: whenever you go and I'm sure being a leader in
Speaker 3: what you do, there's people around you. I might always
Speaker 3: want to try this, but I'm a little scared. I
Speaker 3: don't know if I'm really good at it, and what
Speaker 3: if it doesn't work out? Right? But what if it does?
Speaker 3: No one ever talks about what if it does? They
Speaker 3: always want to tell people if not, just be prepared
Speaker 3: for it might not work out and you're going to fail,
Speaker 3: it's going to be horrible. Then what right?
Speaker 2: And this is I guess why I'm so passionate about
Speaker 2: the space, because I imagine a world where leaders of
Speaker 2: organizations and large organizations had this mindset.
Speaker 1: We would all be trying and failing but learning.
Speaker 2: You know, like the greater the turmoil, the greater the growth, right,
Speaker 2: And it is something I only learned sort of, you know,
Speaker 2: getting close to my forties, to be honest, where I
Speaker 2: was like, when you're going through that challenge, that pain,
Speaker 2: those failures, what you come out the other side, is
Speaker 2: nothing compares to it.
Speaker 1: Otherwise you're just standing still.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, I think generational when we grow up, that
Speaker 2: wasn't always the message that we were given. Right, and
Speaker 2: so I get it. But all we can do is
Speaker 2: I love how you've used that though, so then I
Speaker 2: can see why you're so disciplined now, right, Yeah, you know, now,
Speaker 2: just keep going.
Speaker 1: It's going to get there. I'm going to get there.
Speaker 1: I love that, and I think.
Speaker 3: But that's like I said, and those are the little things, right,
Speaker 3: getting up early and doing this stuff and training, even
Speaker 3: the cool water verge, all those things that I gravitate toward,
Speaker 3: because it's just the days that I'm like, man, that
Speaker 3: was hard to do. I don't want to do it, yea,
Speaker 3: because if you got to look back the day after
Speaker 3: that and go yesterday, I was a piece of shit.
Speaker 3: I didn't feel like doing it. I didn't feel like
Speaker 3: going anywhere, and I feel like getting up. I got
Speaker 3: I got it done. You get a sense of empowerment
Speaker 3: from that.
Speaker 1: I won't lie.
Speaker 2: I've had that, and I try and deny it, but
Speaker 2: I've got out of bed some mornings and push. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not jumping into cold plunges. But like even just
Speaker 2: going for my half our walk, there are days where
Speaker 2: I get back and I go damn, like I know
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I feel heaps better. It's not just the physical. It's
Speaker 1: a mental discipline that I pushed through.
Speaker 3: Its metal. I think that's where one thing is focus
Speaker 3: on the it's not. It's like, you've got to get
Speaker 3: your that's going right. Even at work, you know how
Speaker 3: it is. You're just like I do not want to
Speaker 3: be here today at the office. I don't want this work.
Speaker 3: I don't want to go to these meetings. I don't
Speaker 3: want to take these calls. I don't want to deal
Speaker 3: with these clients. I don't want to deal with my employees.
Speaker 3: But you've got to find a way to make the
Speaker 3: shitty days good days, because then the good days will
Speaker 3: become amazing, epic.
Speaker 2: Days that people don't link. Make the shitty days good days.
Speaker 2: Push through and do it anyway and see how that feels.
Speaker 2: I think that's great advice.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. So I want to
Speaker 1: ask you this for all the people that think they.
Speaker 2: Know darrul right, everyone who follows you and does your moves,
Speaker 2: what's one thing about you something you love even right
Speaker 2: that would completely surprise people.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty out there, you know. Like I said, I like,
Speaker 3: it's so funny, Like can I just say this word
Speaker 3: real quick? So when I did Center, they're like, hey,
Speaker 3: I go listen. I'm going to talk about I love donuts.
Speaker 3: And they're like listen. They sat me down. You're like,
Speaker 3: you cannot do that because you're a trainer and you're
Speaker 3: supposed to be you can't do that, and so they
Speaker 3: have very hard to heart serious talk. And then I
Speaker 3: was like, I got it. I totally understand. I got
Speaker 3: to be inspirational and I can't. Can't say a parrot
Speaker 3: sticks and I get it. As soon as I got on,
Speaker 3: I was like, donuts, dude, eat them all day long.
Speaker 3: Dozn't of them? And I think it's for me. It's
Speaker 3: like you get to a certain age where you just
Speaker 3: you just throw it out I don't give a shit.
Speaker 3: You just don't give a shit anymore. You just like
Speaker 3: you just throw it out there. And it's like so
Speaker 3: liberating when you're just like whatever, Like for me, like
Speaker 3: I never been one to feel bad looking stupid. So
Speaker 3: if you're not afraid to look stupid, then you're kind
Speaker 3: of just like you can do anything.
Speaker 1: You've been doing anything.
Speaker 2: You heard it first here on my podcast that why
Speaker 2: don't you know you heard it on Center. But I
Speaker 2: do love the fact that you've admitted that you can
Speaker 2: be the fittest man in the planet and love donuts.
Speaker 3: I love that they're like and then people are like, hey, listen,
Speaker 3: I don't like beer. I'm like, really, wow, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm like, I just for me, It's like,
Speaker 3: just be realistic, don't have to like hide it the
Speaker 3: fact that that's who you are and what you want
Speaker 3: enjoy life. Just find your balance right and do the
Speaker 3: hard shit so that you can appreciate the ship that's
Speaker 3: fun and easy. It's like, that's just kind of who
Speaker 3: I am. So but question, I'm going to actually think
Speaker 3: about that. I have to come back to you for
Speaker 3: the next episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I want to. I want to hear I
Speaker 1: reckon you can tell.
Speaker 2: You or something, and I'll be like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: say it's okay for you to have that you dance
Speaker 2: around to Mowana or Frozen like, it's okay.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: And I honestly hope that your mindset around letting people
Speaker 2: know that it's okay to fail to push through, that
Speaker 2: what you're trying to do isn't just about looking beautiful
Speaker 2: or sexy or strong. It's also about pushing your mental limits,
Speaker 2: about looking after your health.
Speaker 1: Like, I love that angle of it.
Speaker 2: So I love what you do, and I hope you
Speaker 2: can spread that more around the US and come back
Speaker 2: over to OZ and spread a bit more back here.
Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1: Thank sure, awesome, Well, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.