1 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Bolo to L three sixty rugby league from every angle 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: joining me again the great Gordan talent. It's bring the 3 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: journals in, Paul Crawley and Dave Ricky and well, well 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: well there's. 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: Never a dull moment in rugby league, Gordy. 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 3: No, there's not. No, it's not. But I should change clubs. 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 3: I just wish it would. 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: Change club It's the Broncas again, Crawls. 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unbelievable, isn't that the premiers from last year 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 4: and it's just not a dull week up there is there? 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 4: You know you had pain hersh you had the start 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 4: of the season, you had the Grand Final replay. You 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 4: think everything's hunky Dorian today the big news. 14 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 5: Quite extraordinary and on the back of that great win 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 5: against the Melbourne Storm. 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 6: Yeah again, Bronco's back in the headlines. I've got a 17 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 6: huge show coming up. 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: Hudson Young Ed Morburn, Smitty's but let's cross live now 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: to the Curry mails. Peter Beell, who's at sun Corpse Stadium, 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: Bomber break a massive story today, talk us through what happened? 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, good evening, Braith, look a huge story here. 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 8: Some ructions at red Hill today, ben Teo, the assistant 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 8: coach of the Broncos, has tended his resignation. Now, this 24 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 8: is a bombshell development for the Broncos. Not even their CEO, 25 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 8: Dave Donaghy, saw it coming. I'm told in a heated 26 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 8: verbal altercation with Michael McGuire, the head coach, a couple 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 8: of days ago before the game against the Storm, and 28 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 8: then I'm told that they tried to have some crisis 29 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 8: talks on Monday night between Ben to Michael McGuire and 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 8: the head of football, Troy Thompson, to try and smoke 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 8: the peace pipe to come to a resolution that wasn't forthcoming. 32 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 8: I'm told that ben Teo for some reason seems to 33 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 8: be offended by the latest ructions with Michael McGuire and 34 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 8: he tended his resignation this morning. Huge decision by too, 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 8: just four rounds into the season. It is a real 36 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 8: bombshell development. Is a shock to all at Red Hill. 37 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 8: So even some of the leading players at the Broncos 38 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 8: guys weren't aware of it. Adam Reynolds wasn't aware until 39 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 8: late last night, the captain. So this is a huge 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 8: move from Beneo, but he's been running of course in 41 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 8: the blue shirt for the Broncos in games. 42 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 7: They'll have to find another assistant. A real shock. 43 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 8: Let's hope it doesn't derail their season. 44 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 6: But you said it's a shock. 45 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: How did the Broncos hierarchy and players feel about this. 46 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 7: Well, a lot of them weren't aware of it. 47 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 8: And also Dave donn here the CEO today, he talked 48 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 8: about the fact that Michael mcguiy was pained by the decision. 49 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 7: That was his exact word. 50 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 8: But he also makes no apologies breath in the sense 51 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 8: he said, look, we want to be a high performance organization. 52 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 8: We're backing the head coach and if an assistant wants 53 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 8: to move on, that's his prerogative. But they want to 54 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 8: set some high standards and they're prepared to back Michael 55 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 8: mcgui Now, the coach has come under a lot of criticism, 56 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 8: as we know, there's been talking about his training methods. 57 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 7: There's been talking. 58 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 8: About whether he's off with the players, whether he's lost 59 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 8: the dressing room. It seems now like he's lost one 60 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 8: of his assistants, not only in terms of head count, 61 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 8: but whether there's a mutiny among his staff. And Dave 62 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 8: Donah's resolute. He says We're standing by what we believe in. 63 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 8: Michael mcguie was hired to bring a premiership. He's done 64 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 8: that in his first season, and unfortunately Ben To has 65 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 8: a different point of view. He's decided to go in 66 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 8: another direction. But it's going to be business as usual 67 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 8: for the Broncos. It has to be against the Dolphins 68 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 8: in the Battle of Brisbane on Friday night. 69 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 7: It's a big game for them. 70 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: You said there was a heated exchange last week before 71 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: the Melbourne game, But what's the real reason for the 72 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: departure was? Do you know what that exchange was about 73 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: or why he's left? 74 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 8: Well, break Look, I broke the story in and I've 75 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 8: had some information about Ben To and Michael mcguiy for 76 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 8: some time. Look, it's multifaceted. Now, one of the things 77 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 8: I'm told is that Ben Too is highly principled and 78 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 8: he's very driven in terms of the defensive principles he 79 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 8: set for this Broncos team. He's been the defensive coach. Now, 80 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 8: I'm told that they didn't always see id I madgine 81 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 8: to over some of the defensive patterns, some of the 82 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 8: defensive methodologies and the way they wanted to run things. 83 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 7: Now that's natural. 84 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 8: I mean, you're going to have coaches at all clubs 85 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 8: that don't always see IDAAI, aren't aways on the same page, 86 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 8: and it is the head coach's prerogative image and sometimes 87 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 8: to call the shots as they see fit. That's why 88 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 8: they're their head coach. But I'm also hearing Braith that 89 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 8: Ben Teo last year was approached by Josh Hannay, the 90 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 8: Titans coach, to join his coaching staff. One of the 91 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 8: things that Hanna had recommended to Queensland coach Billy Slater 92 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 8: was that Ben Too be an assistant coach for the 93 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 8: Origin team this year. I'm told that Billy Slater approached 94 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 8: ben Teo about the job. Ben Teo went to Michael 95 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 8: McGuire and the Broncos and they vetoed the move. 96 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 7: Now that would be I. 97 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 8: Think enormously disappointing for Ben Too, and it was not 98 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 8: only a decision by McGuire, it was formalized by Dave Donnie, 99 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 8: the CEO. So they had already lost Matt Ballen as 100 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 8: an assistant with the Maroons. They didn't want to lose 101 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 8: a second guy. So whether that was also a factor, 102 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 8: I believe it was, But it's multifaceted, but at the 103 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 8: end of the day it seems like ben Teo wasn't 104 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 8: didn't have his heart totally in the job and he 105 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 8: wants to change. 106 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: Gerny Boma, You've always got your finger on the piles 107 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: before you go, my mate next to me, Gordy. 108 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: Hey, Pete, just quickly, mate. 109 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 9: What's the optics on Adam Reynold's playing this week? 110 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 8: Gordy is he's he's getting a needle on his ribs 111 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 8: he's playing, believe he's. 112 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 7: Got to clear it from the medical staff. 113 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 9: There, you're no pain, flights, have a good week. 114 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: Meet you for the information. 115 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 7: Thanks boys. 116 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 8: Pain hass is out by the way, Gordy, So maybe 117 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 8: you've got pain this. 118 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 3: Week or there you go. No, I won't argue with him. 119 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 9: He's a bit bigger than me, all right, GERNIEA Boma, 120 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 9: what about that? 121 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: It's pretty critical information there that Peter Bedell's given us 122 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: and a big move from Ben to quit the Broncos 123 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: after just three rounds after a win against the Melbourne 124 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: Storm Grand Final rematch, coming from fourteen behind points behind. 125 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 3: Gordy, what's your take on all this? Well, it's strange. 126 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 9: I'm sure that not every assistant coach and coach sees 127 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 9: ele eye on how they're going or what they do 128 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 9: every week, and it's strange that the success that they've 129 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 9: had that the relationship has split apart like this. To me, 130 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 9: I'm shocked he's just resigned. What a four year deal 131 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 9: to go there, and there was talks of him coming 132 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 9: to the Times and I did hear that and it 133 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 9: would have been great to have Ben, but we've got 134 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 9: our staff now, but for him to stay at the Broncos. 135 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 9: He thought that there could have been a dynasty here 136 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 9: where they were going to go on and there's multi premierships, 137 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 9: but four rounds in well, he's decided to leave. 138 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 4: It's interesting, Yes, there's no question in the world this 139 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 4: has been rumbling on. We find out now for some time, 140 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 4: Like you don't have a blow up like this and 141 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 4: quit your job after one, you know, one set to 142 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 4: with the coach. 143 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 10: This has been going on behind the scenes. 144 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 4: I found it interesting that Bomba just mentioned there how 145 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 4: Billy had approach Madge to try and get a clearance 146 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 4: for too to go on the Queensland coaching staff, like 147 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 4: when Madge was at Canberra as an assistant coach, wasn't 148 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 4: he coaching the Kiwis then he got the new South 149 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 4: Wales job, he was still there and he was applying 150 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 4: for other jobs. So I just found that quite fascinating. 151 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 5: The thing that gets me, guys, is the narrative that 152 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 5: the Broncos are shocked and surprised by this bombshell decision 153 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 5: by ben Teo to tend to his resignation today when 154 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 5: in the space of one day, journalists like myself and 155 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 5: Pete Bedell and Brent Reied and Miccarrianas and the rest 156 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 5: of the team can uncover clearly a. 157 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 6: Trail of disruption and. 158 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 5: Disharmony in regards to Ben's working arrangement with the Brisbane Broncos. 159 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 6: So I find it bizarre. 160 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 5: To say the least, on why the Broncos are so shocked. 161 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 6: This has eventuated, and the fact that ben. 162 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 5: Teo was knocked back from the position of Queensland Origin 163 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 5: coach assistant role. There's no doubt in the world he 164 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 5: was rocked by that. I mean, let's put that into 165 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 5: the context, guys. Let's think about an assistant coach who 166 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 5: is who believes one day he wants to be in 167 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 5: an NRL coach. How is it not a wonderful, wonderful 168 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 5: appointment for the Brisbane Broncos that one of their own 169 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 5: are inside Queensland Camp one. It's outstanding that he would 170 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 5: be working with the best players in the game too. 171 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 6: You become a conduit for recruitment. 172 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 5: Because those elite players understand how you coach. And three 173 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 5: as a development process for to as a coach, none 174 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 5: better origins under high pressure of origin. I got no 175 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 5: doubt that played a major factor in his exit today. 176 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: The Broncos CEO addressed the media this afternoon after assistant 177 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: coach Ben ta Quick. 178 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 179 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 11: Look, we've had a number of conversations with Ben over 180 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 11: the past twenty four hours. Was in the conversation we 181 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 11: we didn't see coming. To be fair and book, Ben's 182 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 11: tended his resignation. 183 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 6: Which we're working through now. 184 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 11: And had a conversation with Ben myself yesterday and you 185 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 11: know that that that part of it needs to say 186 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 11: private and confidential. I think will continue to offer support 187 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 11: to them. You know, their their their well being is 188 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 11: without doubt. You know, our primary has always been our 189 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 11: primary concern looking after our people. 190 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 7: Imagine Ben go a long way back. 191 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 11: They've had some wonderful times together as well. You know 192 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 11: they want to compass us in't he You know they 193 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 11: wont a camp last year, six months ago. You know, 194 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 11: that's at the Broncos, which was an amazing experience. One 195 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 11: of the things that I really enjoy about working with 196 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 11: Madges is a constant communication and we've had a number 197 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 11: of conversations today about you know, what it looks like 198 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 11: at the moment and what it looks like moving forward. 199 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 7: I don't think a lot's going wrong with the club, 200 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 7: to be fair. 201 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 6: I think a lot of. 202 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:02,479 Speaker 11: External perceptions or views don't marry up with what's happening internally, 203 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 11: you know. 204 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 6: And on the weekend, let's. 205 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 11: Not forget Friday Night and for the first time in 206 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 11: ten years, we beat Melbourne and Nolburn Donna. 207 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: He there, spoke for about twenty minutes in this press 208 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: conference this afternoon. I watched every bit of it, and 209 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: to be honest, I didn't get hardly anything out of it. 210 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: To be fair, how do you think the Broncos have 211 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 2: handled this well? 212 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 4: What was interesting in what he said there was that 213 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 4: the club's given assistance to his well being, his family's 214 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 4: well being, and there was a lot of rumblings coming 215 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 4: out of Brisbane today that this may have had something 216 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 4: to do with ben Tio's mental health, and he was 217 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 4: stepping away and I got told that's absolute bullshit. This 218 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 4: is to do with the fact he's had a gut 219 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 4: for working with match. That's just that's not us putting 220 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 4: a spin on it. That's the truth of ben Tio's situation. 221 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 4: And so you look at there and Dave says, everything's 222 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 4: hunky dory at the club. They've won a premiership, they've won, 223 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 4: you know, the Grand Final rematch, They've got all the 224 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 4: sponsorships and memberships and everything. But what they haven't got 225 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 4: going forward is they haven't got pain hearts, right, they haven't. 226 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 10: They haven't got the defense. Coach. 227 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 4: Now now everyone says defense is what wins premierships, and 228 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 4: ben TiO last year was credited with the fact when 229 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 4: the Broncos were going through that tough period where they'd 230 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 4: lost four games in a row and I think it 231 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 4: culminated in a big loss to Manly at Brookvale, ben 232 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 4: TiO was the one that could read the room and 233 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 4: he figured that these boys need to get out and 234 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 4: we need to enjoy ourselves, and so he convinced Madge 235 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 4: to let him go for a beer, and he'd spoken 236 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 4: to Carrigan about it, but it was his ability to 237 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 4: have that rapport with the players and pull them aside 238 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 4: and keep them on the path, and then that put 239 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 4: them on the trajectory to win the Grand Final. And 240 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 4: so without that you do have to worry about what 241 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 4: may happen going forward because Madge's history is that he 242 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 4: can go in and he can get the job done, 243 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 4: but unfortunately things can go pair shaped after that. 244 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 6: CRUs is right. 245 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 5: Absolutely, Ben too acted as a very much a cushion, 246 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 5: a go between between Madge and the players, and the 247 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 5: players confided into a lot when they and that's what 248 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 5: you know again, across every club, the assistant coach plays 249 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 5: a pivotal role in being that that that barrier between 250 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 5: head coach and playing group, and Ben was that. So 251 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 5: without him there, I'm fascinated to see how they feel 252 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 5: that void. 253 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: Well, I'm fascinated that they use the mental health there 254 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: with Ben because at the end of the day, it's 255 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: going to be known to everyone. While he left, at 256 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: some point, Ben's going to talk, right because if he 257 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: wants to be a future coach and still be involved 258 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: in the game and have those opportunities. At some point 259 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: someone's going to say, well, why'd you leave? So if that, 260 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: if he didn't leave because of those reasons, why are 261 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: they saying that? 262 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 4: Do you think well that he was Donnahey didn't say 263 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 4: that in fairness, he said we want to look after 264 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 4: there will be but there was definitely talk coming out 265 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 4: of the club coming that that was circulating around and 266 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 4: he wanted it squashed. 267 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 10: You've heard this too, Gordy. He wanted it squashed because 268 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 10: he is. 269 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 6: A future comfortable with his decision and he is. 270 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 4: A future coach, and people speak so highly of him Braith, like, 271 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 4: you know, they talk about him as being a potential 272 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 4: assistant to billion that because they did see him as 273 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 4: a future coach, and Dave was right before, like, why 274 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 4: would you want to squash that out of one of 275 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 4: your assistants, that opportunity to make him grow. I just 276 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 4: don't get it, boys, what's. 277 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 6: Going on at the Broncos? 278 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 5: Honestly, when so Paine ass situation blows up the Broncos, 279 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 5: you know, I was critical how they handled the management 280 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 5: of the addressing that departure of the best best front. 281 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 6: Rower in the game. 282 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 5: They claimed to me that they didn't have time to 283 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 5: prepare a press commence because they were blindsided by the 284 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 5: decision of Payne Hess the biggest club. 285 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 6: Of what Donnahe wants the Broncos to be. 286 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 5: They want him, they want he wants them to be 287 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 5: the biggest and most powerful sporting club in Australia. They 288 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 5: didn't know their best player was leaving today. They claim 289 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 5: they had no idea their assistant coach, such a pivotal 290 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 5: member within that coaching staff, the right hand man to 291 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 5: Michael Maguire, the defensive operator of the Broncos that helped 292 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 5: win him a premiership. 293 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 6: They had no idea. What is going on? 294 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: He asked the question. So with all that stuff, how 295 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: have the players taken well? 296 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 5: Ben Tolti talked to a press conference this morning and 297 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 5: revealed that he learnt the news of ben Tio's departure 298 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 5: via Instagram. 299 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 6: What is going on at the Broncho You look at it. 300 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: Right, Paynon Hass has moved on the situation with yourself 301 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: and being removed from the plaque and the room, the 302 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: conference room, and now the assistant coach walks out round 303 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: three can do? What's going on with the leadership? There 304 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: is there a problem there with the leadership or well, I'm. 305 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 9: Not in there, and Mages asked me to come in 306 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 9: the four walls, and I decline. Alon Langer needs to 307 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 9: go back and get in the four walls and wear 308 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 9: the blue shirt. There's no one that brings a side 309 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 9: together like Allen Langer. So if I was at the 310 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 9: Broncos right now with that playing group vulnerable, with blokes leaving, 311 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 9: with the uncertainty, He's a guy that's always held every 312 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 9: team together that I've ever played. 313 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 4: But Bidel, if he had the blue shirt when Kevy 314 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 4: was coaching, he surrendered that when Madge talk got not sure. 315 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 9: But that's the question that I'd be asking, just to 316 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 9: go back, and then no one knows because we don't 317 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 9: hear anything. And then obviously the CEO didn't know that 318 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 9: his assistant coach was unhappy. And people make decisions, and 319 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 9: you can make it over night, Broak, and I'll tell 320 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 9: you something about Bante. He's a man, so it probably 321 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 9: would have pushed him to a point where no one 322 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 9: wants to do that. He's four years into and he's 323 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 9: got a young family as well. 324 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: I asked the gnas last night where they. 325 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: Thought of Gordy's name being removed from the headquarters up 326 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: in Brisbane. 327 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: What did you guys think of that? 328 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 4: It's a disgrace, no suit, I mean administrator at that 329 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 4: club is going to do what Gordon did for that club. 330 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 4: Like I've watched the Broncos since their inception, there is 331 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 4: not a bloke that gave more, played hard or tougher 332 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 4: than Gordon. You know paying Hesses up in that era now, 333 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 4: but there was no one. He won three Premierships, he 334 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 4: captained the club, he won a Clive Churchill Medal. There 335 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 4: was a famous story that Bennett told me once when 336 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 4: Gordon took. 337 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 10: Over as captain. 338 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 4: And I'll embarrass you here, Gordy, but when I think 339 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 4: Kevy had retired at two thousand and they'd gone away 340 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 4: on an army camp and there was four blokes in 341 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 4: contention for the job. There was Gordon, Darren Lockey, a 342 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 4: Petro and Shane Webke and they're at this army camp 343 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 4: and they'd been told this story by the commando where 344 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 4: there was women and children down the bottom of the 345 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 4: hill and they were, you know, they were being abused 346 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 4: and bashed and everything like that. And they said, but 347 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 4: under no circumstances I had to go down there until 348 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 4: the reinforcements arrived. Well, everyone's gone back to their groups 349 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 4: and they've done exactly what the commando said, except Gordy, 350 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 4: who went back and told his group exactly what's going on. 351 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 4: He said, now we're going down that hill to take 352 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 4: him by force. And the commander said to wait, Ben, 353 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 4: and he said, there's your captain. He said, because sometimes 354 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 4: you listen to instructions, but leaders know when to ignore them. 355 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 4: And that's who he was. 356 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 3: Good story that one, good all right. 357 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: With both teams coming off of winning, the Broncos in 358 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: the headlines again, the stage is set for an epic 359 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: Battle of Brisbane. 360 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 2: The Battle of Brisbane. 361 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 12: It's the Broncos and the Dolphins, big. 362 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: Brother, little brother. 363 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 12: Six times they've met since the Dolphins came into the 364 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 12: cold of twenty twenty three. The Bronx of one five 365 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 12: for those half dozen batshops. 366 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: Here we go, Battle of Brisbins. 367 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 6: The records. 368 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: They don't lead anything in Risey Games. We all know that. 369 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 12: The starters. Let's look at the list of former Broncos 370 00:17:55,280 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 12: now with the Dolphins, herb Arnworth, Topson, Farnworth and Flagler. 371 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 12: The Dolphins are showing from Asaka Nickarima and Cobbo and 372 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 12: don't forget Max Plath and his old man Johnny plaf 373 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 12: Johnny Plath didn't just play for the Broncos, he won 374 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 12: four premierships with them before this great. 375 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 2: Little man with a big man's game. But don't expect 376 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: the likes of Catonic. 377 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 12: Stags to be politely giving away the keys to the 378 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 12: house anytime soon. 379 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 10: Stack were all run away and win the Battle of 380 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 10: Brisbane saw the Broncos. 381 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 12: This we'll go to Brisbane, the Broncos and the Dolphins 382 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 12: right after the Warriors and West Tigers Friday night football 383 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 12: right here on the Fox. 384 00:18:54,680 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: Lay yes, is the Broncos up against the Dolphins live 385 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: on Fox League Friday eight p m. And this game 386 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: has produced some classics since the Dolph Dolphins have joined 387 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: the competition and both teams coming off at. 388 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 3: Seven o'clock in Queensland. Good yeah, no, look it should 389 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 3: be huge right. 390 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 9: I think there's five games in or four games Brisbane 391 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 9: have won most of them and this was a great 392 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 9: moment with Catani Stags as obviously Dolphins flags everywhere and 393 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 9: he just remind them this is our house, a home 394 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 9: there it is, so it'll be salay you would imagine 395 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 9: if it's good weather in Brisbane on Friday, I might 396 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 9: even sneak down there myself. 397 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 10: It's huge. 398 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got two of the best attacking teams in 399 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 4: the competition going up against each other. You saw the 400 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 4: Dolphins the other night, how they just really put the 401 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 4: Sharks to the sword in the blink of an eye. 402 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 4: And they've got match winners across the park. But the 403 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 4: Broncos have had the wood on them. So you know, 404 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 4: like if the Dolphins are going to be a top 405 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 4: eight team this year, they need to stand up in this. 406 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 5: My favorite players playing boys, Herbie Farmworth just the best. 407 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 5: Watch his ability to be tackles and create space for 408 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 5: his for his teammates, and against the Sharks, it was Herbie. 409 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 6: I mean, how does the. 410 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 5: Center with all that stark quality that the Dolphins have, 411 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 5: it was the center. 412 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 9: Dog said last night it's a battle of the two 413 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 9: best centers in the world. Because he's up against Katana. 414 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 6: Well with great respect number one. I don't think Catarny's 415 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 6: number one. 416 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 5: Herbie's right up there and so Stephen Crichton. 417 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 10: But herbi' is ngrateful, always be grateful. 418 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 6: It's only injury that stops. 419 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: What the dog says goes. 420 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: All right, Let's take a look at the ins and 421 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: outs around four thanks to Sports Spent, and there's some 422 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: big ones here heading into the weekend. Billy Smith returns 423 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: from for the Roosters with a bike. 424 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 2: E Byke concussion. I haven't heard that one before. 425 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: Do we named half back man at six for the Tigers. 426 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: This is this is huge for the Warriors. 427 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: Metcalf returns at five, Vapor Boyd remains the seven. 428 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: Sherry named in New South Wales cut the dog's. 429 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: Hears out, Reynolds returns Gordy and for the Newcastle Knights, 430 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: Flett Sharp named at five eight. He was a late 431 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: exclusion last week. He's back in which is huge for them. 432 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: But the story out of this really is Luke Metcarf 433 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: What a season he had last year leading the dally Ms. 434 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: But the guy and he spot Tenor Boyd has been 435 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: in career best for absolutely but they have found a 436 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: spot for both of them. 437 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: Do we like this? 438 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 5: So there's a training session tomorrow over in New Zealand 439 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 5: with the Warriors and that will be the day for 440 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 5: Metcalf to prove he is absolutely in the team. Andrew 441 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 5: Webster has chosen Luke in the anticipation that everything's going 442 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 5: to be a okay. He's done everything he can as 443 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 5: far as the rehab back from a torn acl suffered 444 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,479 Speaker 5: last June. To get him back so soon and you 445 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 5: know what are we round four is that's a huge 446 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 5: plus huge. 447 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 4: It's also a brave decision by Webster, isn't it? Like 448 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 4: Metcalf last year, before his injury, he was leading the 449 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 4: dally Ms, he was playing seven. He'd said that he 450 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 4: wanted to be the main man, right, But Boyd's come 451 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 4: in this year and he's played so well that you 452 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 4: just couldn't move him. And he seems like a natural seven, 453 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 4: doesn't He and Metcalf would far bit into the sixth jumper. 454 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 4: But I just think on every front it's just good 455 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 4: coaching from Webster, because you know, Tanner, Boyd went down 456 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 4: there from the Gold Coast where was a superstar kid, 457 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 4: but he never really found his way as an NRL player. 458 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 4: And over the summer they've they've made him into a 459 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 4: guy that's up near the top of the top of 460 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 4: the leaderboard on the dally Ms and the guy that's 461 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 4: leading the dally ms. Right, he was an off guard 462 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 4: off cut from the dragon jackson Ford, Jackson Ford, and 463 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 4: he's he's trained him. 464 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 10: So at the start of the season. 465 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 4: You're thinking, no Metcalf, no Barnet, She's going to struggle 466 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 4: to make the eight. But the two blokes that have 467 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 4: come in for him, it's not a wonderful. 468 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: Y're flying gratelessly over in New Zealand. 469 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: And let's get to the Dragons and fled resist to 470 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: resist the urge, sorry to make any changes even though 471 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: they are zero from three calls. 472 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, I did a story on Fox Sports Online 473 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 4: this week saying. 474 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 10: The Dragons are zero and three. 475 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: Right. 476 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 4: The reason they extended Flannagan at the end of last 477 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 4: year was supposedly, you know, to create stability. 478 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 10: Right. It hasn't created stability. 479 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 4: For the life of me, can't understand when they'd finished 480 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 4: fifteenth last year why they had to extend him. After 481 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 4: that to the end of twenty twenty eight, there was 482 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 4: no one beaten down. 483 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 6: There where Hasn't it created stability? 484 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 4: Cool, Dave, we're still talking about it. We're still talking 485 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 4: about They've started the season zero and three mate, you know, 486 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 4: and I think I think in fairness, we saw on 487 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 4: the weekend right in that lost to Paramatta. They had 488 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 4: multiple opportunities to win that game. Agree, But the elephant 489 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 4: in the room remains right, they've got two halves that 490 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 4: aren't getting the job done. They had so much opportunity 491 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 4: to win that game. And every time you bring up 492 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 4: the name Cole Flanigan you get accused of bullying and 493 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 4: it's unfair on the family and everything like that. Well, 494 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 4: at the moment it's still not working, Dave. You've got well, 495 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 4: they've brought in Atkinson right and try to turn him 496 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 4: into a seven right with only limited experience. He's younger 497 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 4: than Coyle. Cole's twenty seven, he's twenty five. He hasn't 498 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 4: played near as much first grade. Flanigan's played over one 499 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 4: hundred and twenty five NRL games now, he's played the 500 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 4: majority of his year his career as a seven, hasn't 501 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 4: played it as a six. But it's almost like it's 502 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 4: been switched this year. So it puts the pressure on Atkinson. 503 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: I think it's unfair that all the pressures Darkinson it is. 504 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 6: It's not on Cole. 505 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 5: I'm with you on the results, but completely the reason 506 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 5: Danielacketson left Cronoa was to be a starting half back 507 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 5: in the NRL, the Sir George la Warre Dragons gave 508 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 5: him that opportunity of his dream to be starting half 509 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 5: back in the NFL. 510 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 6: He's three games into that. 511 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 4: He is three games into that journey, right, But that 512 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 4: halves combination, Dave, I don't think it's going to take 513 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 4: the Dragon where they want to get. 514 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: Having a dream where you're blaming the people who made 515 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: the decision? 516 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 3: Are you? 517 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 6: Are you writing? 518 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 10: I mean he's saying. 519 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 6: Halves. 520 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 13: But okay, so what it was Atkinson, Sam Kyle, Flannigan, 521 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 13: Dave right is not a five eight when he took 522 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 13: the line on the other day, Right, he didn't have 523 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 13: the strength, the size of the speed to get through. 524 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 10: If that's Ethan Strange, who is a. 525 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 4: Five eight, he goes through, right, That's that's my concern 526 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 4: with the Dragons at the moment. He bought keon for 527 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 4: next year and he's a great sign. I don't see 528 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 4: the pool and the Dragons listen, well, this is this is, 529 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 4: this is what we talk about. Dave Kyle sent signed 530 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 4: for another year, hasn't he? And and the club spoke 531 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 4: about going out and getting a top flight seven. 532 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 3: Right. 533 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 4: Atkinson's the bloke they landed on. I'm not saying he's 534 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 4: not going to be a good player. What I'm saying 535 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 4: is the opportunity. It stared us in the face the 536 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 4: other day, Dave. They had so many opportunities win. 537 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 6: Next week. 538 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 10: This is where their recruitment is not right, Duck. 539 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 4: Since Flannigan's arrived, right, he's bought Guffo now, Jason Ryles, 540 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 4: and we criticize him. I criticized him when he let 541 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 4: Guffo go, But hindsight tells you by signing Isaiah Longhi 542 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 4: and letting Gupherson go was the right move. Has been 543 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 4: a tremendous competitive player over the stretch of his career, 544 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 4: but he is getting towards the back end. He hasn't 545 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 4: got the speed he once had, and he's still signed 546 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 4: for another year. Beyond this, right, you've got Damien Cook 547 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 4: there again, he's playing well. Right, he's getting another year. 548 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 4: So Flanna has got his fingerprints. 549 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 6: A good signing of the extension. 550 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 5: Now it's not you've got to get the players into 551 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 5: the club first. 552 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 10: He's got players I just spoke about. 553 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 6: So you're now saying it's he's an ordinary. 554 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 4: I'm saying that I have at the start of the season, Right, 555 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 4: I had concerns when I looked at the Dragers and 556 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 4: I'm in himself. Of all the rosters in the competition 557 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 4: when it comes to attack, I think they're the most limited. 558 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 3: I agree. 559 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 4: And yet and yet he's got halves there who they 560 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 4: created so many opportunities there the other day x fact, 561 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 4: and it won't work. 562 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: I've created those halves too, though, like King Tongy is there, right, 563 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: yep is fit. 564 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 6: So that's where I was getting to. Who comes in? 565 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 3: And they got rid of Glover last year. 566 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 6: And cad Reid's sitting there but not ready yet. 567 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: But there's a bit of a pattern there. Right, they 568 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: could have won a different angle, but they've gone this way. 569 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 6: They've gone because they've extended by the next season. 570 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 9: Yes, can I tell something? They're struggling to score points. 571 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 9: They're actually really competitive. The other day, right, they had 572 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 9: Bell harms that they were just throwing the ball to 573 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 9: him like under eight, like the Hearts. And I normally 574 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 9: stay out of the way they play, right because I'm 575 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 9: more of an effort guy. And they got two big 576 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 9: back rolls that run really good lines. They got Sloan right, 577 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 9: I don't know what their kids done so bad. He's 578 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 9: a bit of X factor. He can score points all 579 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 9: this space that they were creating. You would think that 580 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 9: someone with his space, speed and agility would love that 581 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 9: type of game. And the way the rules are changed. 582 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 9: Because he's a bit slight, you think that he was 583 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 9: thriving Ing Tong. I mean his defense was poor last year. 584 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 9: I would admit that, but his attack is there. He 585 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 9: was there fair last time and look how I'm happy. 586 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 5: Hey, they don't get the result next week this week, 587 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 5: There'll be changes. 588 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 6: It has to be changed. I can't keep going go. 589 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: For it on the wall. 590 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 10: There's no question in the world. 591 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 4: Dave Fleningen has a proven good coach right and he's 592 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 4: won a premiership and every time they go out in 593 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 4: the field they do play for him. What they're so competitive, 594 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 4: but the attack's not their mate and it's not going 595 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 4: to change. 596 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 10: I'm saying. 597 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 4: I'm saying with the Hearts combination that they've got at 598 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 4: the moment isn't working. So you want and they've decided 599 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 4: that that's their one. No, I'm not saying King Tongy mate. Honestly, 600 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 4: you want to know who they should have gone for. 601 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 4: You're looking at Tenor Boyd hasn't got a contract for 602 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 4: next year. 603 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 10: Why aren't the Dragons down to Why aren't they? Is 604 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 10: it because they've already got the settled? 605 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 2: Are you happy with leaving that combo for the rest. 606 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 6: Of the years. 607 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 5: I just said to you if they don't get the result, 608 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 5: that will we change. 609 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 6: It has to be changed the Titans. Everything changes well 610 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 6: for the wins A win, all right. Update from the judiciary. 611 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: Boys enter and wants to hit Couchman with four match 612 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: band Couchman seeking three matches thoughts. 613 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 4: On this look it wasn't an intentional tackle. You know, 614 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 4: it's a rugby league accident gone bad. But the fact 615 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 4: of the matter is Paul hopgods line there. His season's over. 616 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 4: His season's over because it is a dangerous action. That's 617 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 4: why that the game's trying to get this tackle out. 618 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 4: It's not a traditional hit dropous four weeks for Couchmen 619 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 4: up against the other bloke having his season ended. 620 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 10: That's a fair result for Couchman. 621 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 6: Agree, agree, four weeks is fair enough everything. Crawls just says, 622 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 6: I agree with it. 623 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 5: I don't think accident even its cage. 624 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 6: Jason Roll said the same thing. Very unfortunate all right. 625 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: See around Journals and Tonight following ENTERL three sixty, it's 626 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: face to face with Manu Vada