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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Lando Norris swins his home British Grand

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Speaker 1: Prix after Oscar Piastre cops a penalty for a safety

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Speaker 1: car infringement, and Nico Holgenberg gets his first podium trophy

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Speaker 1: fifteen years after making his Formula One debut. My name's

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Speaker 1: Michael Lamonado. It's great to have your company and the

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Speaker 1: company of my co host. If he was giving out

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Speaker 1: podium trophies for the first time, he'd make sure they

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Speaker 1: weren't made out of plastic bricks.

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Speaker 2: It's Matt Playton, Michael. Good to join you as always,

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Speaker 2: and I do love the Holkeenberg story because it gives

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Speaker 2: all of us hope. It gives me hope because in

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Speaker 2: twenty forty I may yet achieve my greatest career milestone.

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Speaker 2: So that's definitely something to look forward to, assuming that

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Speaker 2: we're still around at this point of course. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: optimism abounds for what can happen fifteen years from now.

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Speaker 2: And full credit to mister Holgenberg. And I'm sure we

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Speaker 2: will talk about him at some stage in the next

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Speaker 2: half an hour or so.

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Speaker 1: Twenty forty there'll be several races still not out of

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Speaker 1: contract by then as well.

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Speaker 2: You'll be doing you'll be doing a forty eight racer.

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Speaker 2: Then let's be honest.

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Speaker 3: Oh, can't wait, can't wait.

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Speaker 1: That's here we come British Grand Prix, the second leg

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Speaker 1: of I think an important double header, a meaningful doubleheader

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Speaker 1: for the championship.

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Speaker 3: Not every race will be honest.

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Speaker 1: In Formula One, with twenty four races has to be meaningful,

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Speaker 1: but these last two did feel like that. Lando Nors

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Speaker 1: of course, one in Austria and one again his home

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix in Silverston, but did so in had it

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Speaker 1: not been his home race, perhaps slightly flatter circumstances. I

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Speaker 1: think his reaction may have been a little bit more

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Speaker 1: muted because it was a ten second time penalty that

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Speaker 1: was the headline in the battle for the lead. Roscar

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Speaker 1: piastre for a safety car infringement. Doesn't that sound very exciting?

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Speaker 1: Matt Team felt it was a little bit harsh Oscar

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Speaker 1: and surprising on the most frustrated I think we've ever

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Speaker 1: seen him. He didn't still didn't seem that frustrated, but

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Speaker 1: that's just an Oscar thing, I think. But he felt

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Speaker 1: it was inconsistent, considering it done pretty much the same

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Speaker 1: thing at the previous restart. Let's just start with the

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Speaker 1: question where do you sit on where this podium with

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Speaker 1: this penalty landed?

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Speaker 2: I whether I'm just not adopting a controversial tone here.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was the most obvious penalty of all time.

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Speaker 2: And I was a little bit surprised that he actually

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Speaker 2: didn't get one for the restart for laps earlier because

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Speaker 2: that was a little on the sketchy side as well.

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Speaker 2: So you know, whether his behavior on lap twenty one

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Speaker 2: was dictated by what happened on lap seventeen. When I

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Speaker 2: saw the first safety car restart, thought, oh, he's left

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Speaker 2: that a bit late, and there's obviously that effect that

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Speaker 2: I think back to that race at Migello in the

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Speaker 2: COVID year where the pack were all going in different

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Speaker 2: speeds and it was complete carnage at the restart there

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Speaker 2: in perfectly dry, sunny conditions. You had the jeopardy of

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Speaker 2: the crazy weather that we had on Sunday at Silverston.

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Speaker 2: I thought the first one was a little bit marginal,

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Speaker 2: and when the second one happened on lap twenty one,

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Speaker 2: I mean we were swapping messages at the time saying

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Speaker 2: that's an absolute slam dunk penalty. I'm not sure why

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Speaker 2: there's any real conjecture about this. I think he was

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Speaker 2: a little bit unlucky with the second one in that

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Speaker 2: the safety car lights went out quite late, particularly relative

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Speaker 2: to the first safety car and restart, and that might

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Speaker 2: have caught him out a little bit just at the

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Speaker 2: little bit unlucky with the timing of the safety car

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Speaker 2: Maxvstappen doing what maxvs Stappen does and attempting to gain

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Speaker 2: the system at every single opportunity and coming alongside and

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Speaker 2: going what's this guy up to? Because you know, there's

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Speaker 2: nothing like mentioning something to the to race control to

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Speaker 2: try and get someone penalized. But in terms of whether

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Speaker 2: the penalty was justified, and I thought it was one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent justified, it was a complete slammed up for mine.

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Speaker 2: But I know we're supposed to possibly have a contrary

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Speaker 2: did you think it was as clear cut as I did?

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Speaker 2: Because I just didn't see how it was anything other

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the penalty was definitely there. There is

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Speaker 1: as you said, he'd done pretty much exactly the same

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Speaker 1: anywhere that I feel like maybe Oscar has a point.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it should have avoided a penalty, but

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Speaker 1: maybe could have attracted a more lenient five second penalty.

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Speaker 1: Was the fact that he wasn't even warned for that

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Speaker 1: ten minutes ago you did something and attracted no penalty,

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Speaker 1: retro or rebuke, and then you do the same thing

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Speaker 1: like an inconsistency. They went exactly the same. The speed

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Speaker 1: difference between those two incidents was almost exactly the same,

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Speaker 1: slowly behind him, whereas the second time, relatively far down

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Speaker 1: their top safety car speed. So context does matter in

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Speaker 1: terms of comparing those two incidents. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a pity that it was and

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Speaker 1: obviously wouldn't have done it again the second time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree. But by the way you mentioning

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Speaker 2: corners by names rather than numbers, this is a landmark,

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Speaker 2: landmark day for this podcast. I was just about to

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Speaker 2: thank you for coming to the dark side. But I

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Speaker 2: of if the first incident is no penalty and the

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Speaker 2: many respects. To mention, the speed was very similar, at

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Speaker 2: very different. So you know, I do wonder if you

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Speaker 2: because it's being looked at, whether that changes his behavior.

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Speaker 2: Despite the fact that as I came back to at

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Speaker 2: the beginning, the safety car lights to go off quite late.

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Speaker 2: So maybe the conjecture here is between zero seconds and

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Speaker 2: two very similar incidents. But as for the incident itself,

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Speaker 2: it was a great shame because he had done all

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Speaker 2: the hard work to get to the position where he was.

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Speaker 2: The one controlling that safety car and restart because he

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Speaker 2: had overtaken Maxistap and on track he'd done a terrific

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Speaker 2: the hard part and the inverted Commas. Easy part was

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Speaker 2: then obviously we know what the penalty led to in

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Speaker 2: terms of the results, and you mentioned off the top

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Speaker 2: he's got two wins after what had happened in Canada

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Speaker 2: quite significant the Champion chipchase. The hard part here for

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Speaker 2: now only eight points and I think at the start

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Speaker 2: Given what twenty twenty four was and twenty three before that,

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Speaker 2: One drivers are like, you give them an advantage, they'd

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Speaker 2: think he'll be kicking himself that it was this that

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Speaker 2: he's this was the reason that he squandered it. It

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Speaker 2: would also be less of a bitter pill to swallow

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Speaker 2: if someone else had have been the beneficiary of a win,

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Speaker 1: For Yeah, the context makes a huge difference, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: the matter of momentum. It's easy to say that week

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Speaker 1: has only been really two weeks. I mean, Canada was

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Speaker 1: but in Austria obviously dominated Silverston. He was slower than

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Speaker 1: Pastre weekend. Overall, I think that's clear, but very marginally

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Speaker 1: and didn't ever really make a mistake. His first Q

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Speaker 1: things happened with Lando Norris in the race, he was solid,

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Speaker 1: When vestappens spun, it does feel like something of a

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's taken anything away from Oscar. It

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Speaker 1: hasn't taken Oscar falling back or entering his own confidence

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Speaker 1: crisis for this points gap to have closed up. It

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Speaker 1: feels like we're just back to, sort of, as you

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Speaker 1: expected before Norris went on this little offt pieced journey

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I mean, I don't think Piastre's

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Speaker 2: level has dropped necessarily. I think Norris has just raised

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Speaker 2: his a little bit. But he's saying that he's turned

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Speaker 2: a corner. I'm still of the mind that he's turning

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Speaker 2: Because after Canada we go to Austria, which has always

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't surprising at all that he did very

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Speaker 2: I spent five minutes on Forex having a look at

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Speaker 2: this before we got on. So Holkeenberg spent nineteen laps

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Speaker 2: on Sunday in third place. That's the most laps in

437
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Speaker 2: third place that he's had in any one season, and

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Speaker 2: they all happened in the same race, and you think

439
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Speaker 2: how long ago it was that Niko Holkeenberg was driving

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Speaker 2: a Williams around in Formula One. That even for all

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Speaker 2: the ridiculous Hulkenberg stats that came out on Sunday, that's

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Speaker 2: quite a stat.

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Speaker 3: That is a great stat It's a very cifix stout.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 1: I like the specificity of it. I'm going to go

446
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Speaker 1: with I don't know, he's a more conventional one. Lewis

447
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Speaker 1: Hamilton and his double pass on Estebannocon and George Russell.

448
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Speaker 1: I think it was after the first safety car restart.

449
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Speaker 1: It was a very little time between safety car, so

450
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Speaker 1: it did good job to get that in. But he'd

451
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Speaker 1: just been passed by Russell at Abbey. I believe that's

452
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Speaker 1: turn one. No, it's turn one. There you go, and

453
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Speaker 1: then took around, took both of them around the outside

454
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Speaker 1: in the west at Village and just for a little

455
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Speaker 1: just for a moment, he thought, oh, look it's Lewis

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Speaker 1: Hamilton in the west.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that good?

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Speaker 1: And then yeah, he still finished fourth, and I think

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Speaker 1: he probably could have had podium pace, or I think

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Speaker 1: he had podium pace in a different car or in

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Speaker 1: different conditions, which is very considerable conditions to place on

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Speaker 1: that statement. But he clearly he was. I think he

463
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Speaker 1: was in good form this week. I think he was

464
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Speaker 1: in Hamilton form this weekend, but unfortunately in the progress

465
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Speaker 1: of his journey with Ferrara, in Ferrari's own journey this season,

466
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Speaker 1: maybe a little bit too early or way too late.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I did like the past, I've got

468
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Speaker 2: to say, because it was that classic opportunistic he read

469
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Speaker 2: what was going on in front of him and sized

470
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Speaker 2: to what was going to happen with two rivals and

471
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Speaker 2: said they're going to end up here. So I'm going there,

472
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Speaker 2: and I'm having both of you in the one corner.

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Speaker 2: It was you and him. He's done this so many

474
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Speaker 2: times in the wet over the years that we take

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Speaker 2: it for granted. But it was a nice reminder of

476
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Speaker 2: how decisive and how well he sizes up situations like that.

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Speaker 2: It was a very good nomination by you.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, let's go back to yours, though, Nico Holckenberg,

479
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Speaker 1: because that was in many respects it almost overshadowed the

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Speaker 1: entire weekend. I think his result, his first podium in

481
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Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty nine Grand Prix starts, a remarkable

482
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Speaker 1: run of non podiums, comfortably the most starts in the

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Speaker 1: history of Formula One for a driver not to have one.

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Speaker 1: And now he has the record for most starts before

485
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Speaker 1: first podium, eclipsing Carlos Science, who got on He's one

486
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Speaker 1: hundred first start a few years ago now in Brazil.

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Speaker 1: I think it was this was great. It was great.

488
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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone can be too disappointed by this,

489
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Speaker 1: other than maybe Lancetrol and Lewis Hamilton. Even they must

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Speaker 1: admit what a great outcome. And madd He's been around

491
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Speaker 1: for a very long time. We've been watching him for

492
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Speaker 1: a very long time, and I think it's actually easy

493
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Speaker 1: to either forget or if you're relative, you don't even

494
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Speaker 1: have to be that new to the sport to be honest,

495
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Speaker 1: relatively new to the sport to not realize how highly

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Speaker 1: rated he was when he arrived fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, coming in he was massively rated. I'm so glad

498
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Speaker 2: that this box has been checked because it would have

499
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Speaker 2: been a travesty for a driver of his quality to

500
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Speaker 2: go through a career without a podium. And look, I

501
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Speaker 2: mean there's been several times where he's been off the

502
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Speaker 2: grid or adjacent to the greed in the last little

503
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Speaker 2: while where we thought, well, this is probably going to

504
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Speaker 2: be it. I think the thing for me is that

505
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Speaker 2: when you saw the graphic come up at the start

506
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Speaker 2: of the race and realize that he was actually going

507
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Speaker 2: to be the car starting last because Franco Colapino started

508
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Speaker 2: from the pit lane for Alpine. He thought, given how

509
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Speaker 2: well Sauber has been going lately, I thought to myself,

510
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Speaker 2: knowing what he's like in these sorts of races, I

511
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Speaker 2: could see him getting up and finishing seventh or eighth

512
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Speaker 2: or something, and we go, wow, what a great job

513
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Speaker 2: by Holckenberg, How well it's our going. But to see

514
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Speaker 2: him fighting for and eventually getting that podium, Yes, there

515
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Speaker 2: were tricky situations and conditions, but it was the same

516
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Speaker 2: for everybody. He executed an absolutely flawless race when the

517
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Speaker 2: strategy came into his favor, and I was glad that.

518
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Speaker 2: You know, there's been several situations in the past. I

519
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Speaker 2: think of that race at Hockenheigh where he was on

520
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 2: a chance to score the podium many years ago and

521
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Speaker 2: slid off in the wet where it was there for him.

522
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Speaker 2: He executed it so perfectly given the opportunity, And you

523
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Speaker 2: can always gauge how a driver's peers regard a driver

524
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Speaker 2: when you see something like this happen. And the response

525
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Speaker 2: was immediate and consistent from all of his peers, like

526
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Speaker 2: this guy absolutely deserves this. Everyone's very happy for him,

527
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Speaker 2: and this should have happened a long time ago, but

528
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Speaker 2: circumstances conspired against him. So a real feel good story.

529
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Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't think even he must have thought

530
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Speaker 2: at this point, it's like, Look, it's great that I'm here,

531
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Speaker 2: it's great that I'm going to be part this AUDI

532
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Speaker 2: project going forward. But given what Saba are doing lately,

533
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Speaker 2: perhaps we could even see him back there, because I've

534
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Speaker 2: got wolf faith in Saurba that I have in quite

535
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Speaker 2: a few other teams right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think this is the important second part

537
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Speaker 1: of this story, which is that, Okay, this podium was

538
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Speaker 1: certainly a considerable stretch for Sober, but the team's clearly

539
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Speaker 1: improved quite a bit in the last month or so.

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Speaker 1: This is its fourth consecutive point scoring race, and it's

541
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Speaker 1: got to the stage now where that's not surprising anymore

542
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Speaker 1: to see them in the points where is at the

543
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Speaker 1: start of the year. I mean, I thought when Nico

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Speaker 1: scored in Australia in that wet race, that that was

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Speaker 1: the last time they'd.

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Speaker 3: Be scoring points of the very possibly wouldn't.

547
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Speaker 1: Forget that took them what do I think It was

548
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Speaker 1: till the fourth last round last year to score points

549
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Speaker 1: something like that, and that was pretty much it And

550
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Speaker 1: that was a little bit fortunate as well. Whereas it

551
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Speaker 1: feels like there is momentum behind this team. Jonathan Wheatley's

552
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Speaker 1: bringing I'd say this without judgment, a little bit of

553
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Speaker 1: the Red Bull Christian Auna element to this team.

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Speaker 3: In a good way.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I've heard there's a lot of Red Bull

556
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Speaker 1: staff there now in factor among the Sauber team, and

557
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Speaker 1: that is no bad thing. It's in Redful's won so

558
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Speaker 1: many championships and you know, we started to see it

559
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Speaker 1: actually before the results came. Pit stops were a great

560
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Speaker 1: example something that's just improved a lot for saubur when

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Speaker 1: they used to have, I mean last year they had

562
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Speaker 1: some dreadful pit stops. Now they're regularly among the fastest. Now,

563
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Speaker 1: this big upgrade they brought i think to the Spanish

564
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Speaker 1: Grand Prix seems to be working and it feels like

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Speaker 1: Toauer's gone from a team that I mean, treading water

566
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Speaker 1: is almost too good of a thing to say. For

567
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Speaker 1: the last few years, it's a team that has some

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Speaker 1: forward movement to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like an abandoned building was the last

570
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Speaker 2: few years. It was you know it was there, and

571
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Speaker 2: you it was there, but no one bothered looking at

572
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Speaker 2: it because they'd seen it all before. But Michael, I

573
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Speaker 2: know you know this, but I'm going to read these

574
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Speaker 2: for the sake of our listeners here. So this is

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Speaker 2: the past four rounds. Spain, Canada, Austria, Great Britain Sober

576
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Speaker 2: thirty five points, Red Bull which has one car, twenty

577
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Speaker 2: eight points, Aston Martin twenty two, Racing Bulls fourteen, Alpine

578
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Speaker 2: another team that fields only one car. Apparently they have

579
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Speaker 2: twelve points. Williams have five points in the last four rounds,

580
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Speaker 2: so that twenty twenty five Tap is well and truly

581
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Speaker 2: turned off. And Haus have three points in the last

582
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Speaker 2: four races, which is two more than the times their

583
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Speaker 2: drivers have run into each other over the those last

584
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Speaker 2: four races. So you look at this last set of races,

585
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Speaker 2: Sauber is punching well above its weight. But this is

586
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Speaker 2: not some fluke, one off result. This one's been building

587
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Speaker 2: for a while. And you know you mentioned the Jonathan

588
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Speaker 2: Wheatlely influence and the fact that AUDI is coming in

589
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Speaker 2: next year and the upgrade is working. You look at

590
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Speaker 2: this constructor's table now and you can already clearly see

591
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Speaker 2: which teams have either put the Q in the ract

592
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Speaker 2: for twenty five or are about to, and which ones

593
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Speaker 2: are pushing on for glories with a rule set that's

594
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Speaker 2: going in the trash. I ferrari, but I would expect

595
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Speaker 2: Sauber to actually be able to sustain some level of this,

596
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Speaker 2: perhaps not this, but something like this, given that a

597
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Speaker 2: lot of their opposition in the midfield has decided we've

598
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Speaker 2: had enough and we're looking at twenty twenty six. This

599
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Speaker 2: may not be as one off as we think it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an interesting I really expected a lot of

601
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Speaker 1: these midfield teams to just have committed to next year

602
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Speaker 1: quite early in the way that Williams has been very

603
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Speaker 1: upfront about that idea. There's been almost nothing brought to

604
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Speaker 1: that car all year by some real refinements of what's

605
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Speaker 1: gone on. Whereas matib and I said late last year

606
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Speaker 1: that he didn't want to abandon the car because the

607
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Speaker 1: first of all, the car was so bad that didn't

608
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Speaker 1: seem right that that should be the car that proceeded

609
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Speaker 1: out his involvement, but also because the team had to

610
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Speaker 1: believe that it could actually race in Formula One competitively.

611
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Speaker 1: And that's that element that when we're talking about new rules,

612
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Speaker 1: when we're talking about obviously new constructors coming in or

613
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Speaker 1: AUDI taking over the team, I think is easily forgotten

614
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Speaker 1: because we assume, well, AUDI will inject all this money

615
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Speaker 1: into it, they'll bring some good facilities, their own power,

616
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Speaker 1: and it will take care of itself. But if the

617
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Speaker 1: team's not really up to it, you can squander quite

618
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: easily those advantages or that potential. And I think this

619
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Speaker 1: win or this upturn inform is important for that reason

620
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Speaker 1: as well as that it now feels like and the

621
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Speaker 1: staff will inevitably feel field is you feel like you

622
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Speaker 1: can believe that AUDI will debut next year and actually

623
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Speaker 1: be good. You know, like the team. It's still a

624
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: huge mountain to climb. Obviously to the front of the field,

625
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: that's clear, but you now feel like, actually the trajectory

626
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: is set, rather than AUDI starting at absolute zero and

627
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Speaker 1: then having to figure out how to get there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a human element to this. And you can

629
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Speaker 2: spend all the money in the world, or you can

630
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: pin all your hopes on a new set of rules.

631
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Speaker 2: You know, every hope that you've got, But there is

632
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: a human element to this. It's like, huh, look at

633
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: what we've achieved in a very short amount of time

634
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Speaker 2: with the many impediments that we've got given we're hard

635
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: up against an expiring rule set here that's going to

636
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 2: give them momentum that a points table can't necessarily demonstrate.

637
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: When you go into the European winter this year with

638
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 2: this blank sheet of paper for twenty twenty six, they

639
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: are in so much of a better position than they

640
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: were even six months ago. And you would argue that

641
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: given what they've got coming in, they're in a better

642
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: position than a lot of teams because they seem pretty

643
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 2: stable in the back end. Now, you know someone like

644
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 2: Jonathan Wheatley. You mentioned the pit stops thing, that's the

645
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: lowest hanging fruit for a lower team to get right.

646
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Speaker 2: That's an app salute based camp bare minimum. When Wheeley

647
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: was at Red Bull, coincidence or not, they would always

648
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Speaker 2: have the best bit stops on the grid, and that's

649
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: something that's it's easily fixed with some extra practice and

650
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: training and methodologies and equipment, but it has a massive

651
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: effect on the belief and the morale of the employees there.

652
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: It's like, look what we've done. We've gone from here

653
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: to here really really quickly on this specific thing. Why

654
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: can't that translate into other parts of the business. The

655
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: one thing I do like about what Saber have done

656
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 2: this year, I really like this driver lineup. I think

657
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 2: it's a really good mix of you know, Borceoletto is

658
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 2: clearly going to be quite decent. I mean, yes, he

659
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: makes rookie mistakes and he has some shots or what having,

660
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: he's not slow. I think that's a probably a good

661
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: sign for the future. And Holkenberg's like the adult in

662
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: the room, and I think it's really telling that, you know, yes,

663
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: he was clearly really happy with what had happened on

664
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: the weekend, but it was in that sort of measured

665
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: professional yeah, yeah, look, look what we can do if

666
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: we get things right. And I think he's looking at that,

667
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: he's thinking, well, it's not going to be two hundred

668
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: and thirty nine races until I get my second podium.

669
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: It's going to be probably, you know, probably, it wouldn't

670
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: surprise me if he ends up on another podium this year.

671
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: What you need is a certain set of circumstances and

672
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: it could happen because every other team besides McLaren here

673
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: is competing with different agendas for the rest of twenty

674
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: twenty six. Some teams have already decided twenty five is over.

675
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: Other teams will push to the end, and I think

676
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: Sour is just in a really, really good spot at

677
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: the moment.

678
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to wrap up on this note, because the

679
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: midfield is really close. All those teams in with a

680
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: shout and have had these different periods of high scoring potential.

681
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: Williams seems like it's past it now. We don't know

682
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: whether that'll come back. Even racing bulls seems like they

683
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: could be thereabouts at the moment, but they're a little.

684
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 3: Bit up and down.

685
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: Hearts you wouldn't even want to predict. Sometimes they're good

686
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: and sometimes maybe good and sometimes sometimes not.

687
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: Yes, great the great Man.

688
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: And Alpine, though, is where I want to where I

689
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: want to land now because this is a team. You know,

690
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: we talk about Soerba moving from independent team the dependent

691
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: factory analogies on. I really like to being a works

692
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: team next year. It feels like Alpine is moving very

693
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: much in the opposite direction. Have been a historically great

694
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: works team in Formula One will not be next year.

695
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: There'll be Mercedes customers. That's now the slowest car on

696
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: the grid pretty much again qualifying Saba was slow this

697
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: this weekend but clearly had good pace. Yeah, Gazzi had

698
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: a great weekend though, did qualify in the top ten

699
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: really quite unexpectedly, and then held on to that place

700
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: really well. In that way we know ghasly can when

701
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: he's got the sniff of a good result. But of

702
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: course the big story for Alpine is what's going on

703
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: with that second car. Not the only team I guess

704
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: in Formula One to effectively be a one carte, but

705
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: Franco Colopinto for his sixth race, and with rumors about

706
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: Alpine being interested in Valtrie Botas had really quite a

707
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: poor weekend qualifying way the back didn't never see really

708
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: any glimpse of pace from him, and then his race

709
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: never even really got going, I think officially as recorded

710
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: as it did not start due to a drive line

711
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: issue that there's been some speculation may have driver era involved,

712
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: being similar to the Spanish Grand Prix qualifying incident, but

713
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how true that is. Now speculation is

714
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: really mounting that he may not even be the car

715
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: at the next time, Right, What do you think's going

716
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: on here?

717
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: Man? Because it doesn't seem great?

718
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: What do I think is going on with olped? I

719
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: could either just shrug my shoulders, which is terrible podcast content,

720
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: or I could talk for the next forty five minutes

721
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: and we'd been none the wiser, quite frankly. But you

722
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: know what would be really interesting to me is if

723
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: they are going to make a driver change, which they might.

724
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: It depends if the bag transfers or Argentina keep coming through.

725
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: But I think you could take one variable out of

726
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: all of this, and let's just say Valerie Botas gets

727
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: the last ten races, they make a change shit in

728
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: the mid season break after Belgium and Hungary. That at

729
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: least takes a variable out of the equation in that

730
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: if you have a couple of experienced heads in the car.

731
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Speaker 2: Because you mentioned Ghastly before, Thank God for Pierre Ghastly,

732
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: because you're right, he's the guy that when there's a

733
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: sniff of an opportunity to get a decent result. He's

734
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: made a career on not letting those go. If you

735
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: had someone else that at least had the experience and

736
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: potentially the speed to do that, perhaps valtreie Bot has

737
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: it takes one variable out of the equation that we

738
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: just don't know the answer to yet. Because that second

739
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: car this year has been driven by a driver who

740
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: came into twenty twenty five with one Grand Prix start

741
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: and Jack doing and with about eight in Franco Colopinto.

742
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: I don't think it helps their situation, and now having

743
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 2: to experienced heads isn't going to solve all of their problems.

744
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: But I think it just removes one variable. But at

745
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: the moment they seem it's the worst possible combination. We're slow.

746
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: We don't know why we're slow operationally. Weekend to weekend.

747
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: It varies enormously, And as you said, this is where

748
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: they should be better because they are a works team.

749
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 2: Like next year, they're just not. You've got this huge

750
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: changing set of rules going on, and we've said this before.

751
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: It has always felt to me like a team that

752
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: is being primed to be sold. As much as they deny,

753
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: and as much as that story is kicked around right now,

754
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: I just do not understand what it is that they're doing.

755
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: So what I've just spent the last one hundred and

756
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: eighty seconds doing is the verbal equivalent of a shoulder

757
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: shrug and pointing back to you, because frankly, I don't

758
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: think they know, so I don't know how we're supposed to.

759
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I've been saying anytime I've been asked,

760
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: is that I'm not even sure Alpine knows what it's doing.

761
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: It seemed to me the start of the year, when

762
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: Jack Dowan was still in the seat, that there was

763
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of a divide between the race team

764
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: and upper management, by which I really just mean plav

765
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: a bit or I think, and he's kind of I

766
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: don't want to say pulling the strings because that makes

767
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: it sound nefarious. But he's making decisions because he knows

768
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: he has the power to make decisions, and he's doing

769
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: what he's gout instinct tells him. And I guess once

770
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: upon a time that kind of worked. Whether or not

771
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: that's going to work again, Oh look, I'll leave that

772
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: up to you to decide for yourselves. But so far,

773
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Speaker 1: it hasn't and I just can't help but wonder what

774
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: would be happening here had Jack Don been allowed to

775
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: complete his rookie season, because we saw he was improving,

776
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: qualified P one race Oka, qualified pier Gays in Miami,

777
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: he was more able to put the pace that was

778
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: clearly there together more consistently, was slowly getting there. We

779
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Speaker 1: were another six races down the road now. Rather than

780
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: talking about, Wow, this guy has been mcalfa six races,

781
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: keeps crashing it and not doing very well, maybe we'd

782
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: be saying, hey, the guy has been there for twelve races,

783
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: similar to Gabrielle Bortiletto, only recently has really been clicking

784
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: with the sobur and scored those first points a week ago.

785
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: We'd be saying something sim about Jack going, oh, actually,

786
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's going to be a decent driver

787
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: for the future of Alpine or whatever it'll be called

788
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: when it solves well.

789
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: And the same for Colopinto. I mean, the Ding situation

790
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: was mismanaged from day one, and the Colopinto situation as

791
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: much as we can talk about the money coming in

792
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: and you know, he was signed and he was always

793
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: going to get the seat that also has been mismanaged

794
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: because you know, the guiltine has been hanging over his head.

795
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: And I just don't think that you can have drivers

796
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: with that little Formula One experience, no matter their surname,

797
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: or their pedigree or their bank balance. There's no way

798
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: to operate, and that's no way to build into a

799
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: season that is, as you will know, twenty four rounds long.

800
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: The whole thing's just been so unnecessarily turbulent, but probably

801
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: consistent with the way that team operates, so perhaps we

802
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: shouldn't be surprised.

803
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good call. Well, let's move

804
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: on finally to the crystal ball, brought to you by

805
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: Complete home Filtration. It's up to you whether you want

806
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: to predict anything happening at Alpine. I certainly wouldn't be

807
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: that brave. Crystal ball is not of that level. But

808
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: mat where would you like to take up?

809
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: Yes, my crystal ball, to quote Lando Norris, is broken

810
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: after last weekend because I picked Oscar Piastre to be

811
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: the British Gorod Pery and that did not work out

812
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: very well. But look, I could you could make a

813
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: crystal ball prediction about Alpine? And why would you do that,

814
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: so I'm going to go I'm going to go longer

815
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: view than just the short term here with these next

816
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: two races before the mid season break, I'm saying, sticking

817
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: on the Souber theme, they are going to finish a

818
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: comfortable fifth place in the Constructor's Championship at the end

819
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: of the season. Now they're already six, they're going to

820
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 2: leap frog Williams based on the trajectory of these two teams,

821
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: and as an adjunct to my crystal ball, given the

822
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 2: way Williams are going, could Williams actually finish second last

823
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 2: in the Constructor's Championship? Now this sounds a little bit

824
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: extreme here. Williams has fifty nine points. Hears is currently

825
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: ninth out of ten with twenty nine points, And I

826
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: don't necessarily trust Hals to score thirty more points of

827
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: Williams before the end of the season. But who is

828
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: going to score more points than Williams for the rest

829
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: of the season. Probably most teams, because we know they've

830
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: got twenty twenty six in their side and it's so

831
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 2: tightly packed in there behind Sauber that I would probably

832
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: trust some of those other teams to score more points,

833
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: and perhaps Williams over the course of the season. We've

834
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: got half the season to go, and they could absolutely

835
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: easily slide towards the foot of the table if they

836
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: are not careful. So there's two crystal balls for you,

837
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: not just one.

838
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: That's a good call.

839
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: I really like this really has me thinking now because

840
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the championship championship chart and thinking, actually,

841
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: quite could be quite possible. Aston Martin's the team I

842
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: keep forgetting is in Formula one.

843
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: That's what?

844
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I sometimes I think he wishes they went

845
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: in Formula One, but yeah, that I'd be willing to

846
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: say they could fillims for finish eighth. I think Hearts

847
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: is just too inconsistent. But Aston Martin, they've also upgraded

848
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: similar times to Sober and Alonso's pretty finished seventh in

849
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: a row. I think seven seven times in a row

850
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: is a lance stroll this week actually, so the team's

851
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: got the best result of seventh in a row.

852
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: I guess Racing.

853
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: Bulls I think is actually pretty good just when their

854
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: drivers are having a good weekend, given they're so inexperience,

855
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: I think that's perfectly reasonable.

856
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: I could see it.

857
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: Happening, which would be a remarkable turnaround from the enthusiasm

858
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: of the start of the season for Williams, wouldn't it.

859
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: But they knew that was the risk. In fact, I

860
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: don't think they were even prepared or they didn't realize

861
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: they'd be starting so strongly. So I suppose if you

862
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: said they were fifth with the chance of retaining it,

863
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: that absolutely have taken it to in the off season.

864
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think for Williams all that's going

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Speaker 2: to be forgotten if they start twenty six with a

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Speaker 2: reasonably competitive car and hit the ground running anyway, I

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Speaker 2: don't think they're going to be looking back at the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five Constructors Championship with too many regrets if

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Speaker 2: that's the case. But I've had two cracks at the

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Speaker 2: Crystal ball and I haven't given you one yet, So

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Speaker 2: before I hog all of the crystal ball gazing for

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Speaker 2: this weekend, what have you got?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yours are good. I'm satisfied with that. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: going to move over to Supercars Land because they've got

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Speaker 1: a really important weekend coming up this weekend. Towns will

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Speaker 1: five hundred and it's important because it's the first real

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Speaker 1: street track on the calendar this year and that's important

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Speaker 1: because two of the three finals this year are street tracks.

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Speaker 1: The Gold Coast is the first one and the finale

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Speaker 1: is Adelaide, And so this weekend is it's obviously not

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Speaker 1: going to be crucial to who makes the finals unless

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Speaker 1: this is a weekend where someone round about that position

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Speaker 1: ten scores a big points or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, but this.

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Speaker 1: Is going to be really important to that form guy.

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Speaker 1: This is almost going to be this almost like preseason

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Speaker 1: testing for the finals, particularly for those teams that are,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, pretty much locked in their irregular front

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Speaker 1: runners and those top drivers. So who performs well here

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Speaker 1: is suddenly their odds for the championship are going to

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Speaker 1: shorten considerably. And I think for the first time all

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Speaker 1: year pretty much, I know he's got one win already.

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Speaker 1: We're going to see a good weekend, I hope from

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Speaker 1: chasmost it because it'd be good to see him in

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Speaker 1: contention for the finals. I think the sport needs and

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00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: wants him up the front, and he's only sort of

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Speaker 1: thereabouts this year, but I'd like to see him do well.

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Speaker 1: I think he did well last year. If he does

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00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: well again this year, suddenly the story around WAU season

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Speaker 1: particularly most it season is going to change quite considerably,

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Speaker 1: but whatever happens, it's going to be. It's an important result.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be one really to watch.

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Speaker 2: I like the pre season analogy because of the way

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Speaker 2: the back end of this season is going to be.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, it does add it's something a little bit

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Speaker 2: extra for a normal in inverted Commas round in July.

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Speaker 2: That's going to have far reaching consequences, So I do

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Speaker 2: like this. You shouldn't underrate your crystal ballgasing. I think

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Speaker 2: that was I think we've had a good week on

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Speaker 2: the crystal Ball this week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I watch all the predictions end up to be wrong,

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Speaker 1: but that's all the time we have for Pittalk today.

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Speaker 1: as well. This weekend it is the Supercars Townsville five

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Speaker 1: hundred with Friday's race. Friday's race yes at three point

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Speaker 1: forty and then races on Saturday at Sunday at three pm,

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Speaker 1: Matt Clayton and me Michael Lomonado. Thanks very much for

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