Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you Cherry. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Traveling man Cave. We are in Western Australia tonight
Speaker 1: on our way to Perth. Well, of course we're in
Speaker 1: Perth now on our way to Calgooley and I can't
Speaker 1: wait to be there in a couple of days time.
Speaker 1: What a weekend we're going to have. Our plan for
Speaker 1: Anzac Day is something I've never experienced in my life,
Speaker 1: which is to be on the western side of the
Speaker 1: country as seeing the sunrise here. It's going to be
Speaker 1: pretty moving and a lot of beachside services will take place.
Speaker 1: I hope that you will get up before the light breaks.
Speaker 1: If you can't, I hope you have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: mark not just the fallen, those left behind, families change forever,
Speaker 1: and a country all the better for their service. It
Speaker 1: is the most significant day on our calendar. Strength and
Speaker 1: love and thanks to any and everyone who has or
Speaker 1: is currently serving in the defense forces of our country. Now,
Speaker 1: of course, when it comes to the election, one more
Speaker 1: big event for us here on sky and it is
Speaker 1: going to be Tuesday night. Peter Dutton in the man Cave.
Speaker 1: He'll be in the man Cave four and ask me
Speaker 1: anything session. Now you've seen a pub test, you've seen
Speaker 1: a people's forum. They're great, they're awesome, They're what we
Speaker 1: do best. But obviously there are only in one location
Speaker 1: at one time. Well, by Peter Dutton, the alternative Prime Minister,
Speaker 1: being in the man Cave on Tuesday night, we have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to take questions from you where you are now, Okay, now,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. Thank you so much to everyone from Nissa,
Speaker 1: Baz and Victoria as well as Queensland. You follow outed
Speaker 1: the emails last night. All right, but I want to
Speaker 1: make sure that we spread the map that we go
Speaker 1: from the tip of the North to Tazzy across to
Speaker 1: where I am right now and all points in between.
Speaker 1: So if you like me in Western Australia, now, if
Speaker 1: you're in the Green's capital of the Act, Tazzy South
Speaker 1: Australian Northern Territory in particular, do you have a question
Speaker 1: for Peter Dutton, not just what does you think about
Speaker 1: nuclear Why does Elbow keep lying? What are you to
Speaker 1: do for me on the cost of livy think slightly
Speaker 1: outside the box so they can be as serious as
Speaker 1: you choose. Pub test at Skynews dot com dot Au.
Speaker 1: Now I need you tell about number and your location
Speaker 1: because we are trying to work out and we're trying
Speaker 1: to pull this together in a couple of days. But
Speaker 1: unlike the ABC, there's not a committee of a thousand
Speaker 1: people doing it. It's our little team on top of
Speaker 1: doing the shows, on top of the ourtowns. So we
Speaker 1: want to be able to send cameras all over the country.
Speaker 1: We want to see people's faces from all different states. Okay,
Speaker 1: so don't sit back. If you are like me, in
Speaker 1: Western Australia right now or in all of those other
Speaker 1: places that I mentioned, send me an email tonight pub
Speaker 1: test at skynews dot com that are you with your
Speaker 1: question for the Ask Me Anything session that we will
Speaker 1: have with Peter Dutton in the Man Cave on Tuesday night.
Speaker 1: Make sure he give us your telephone number two. Then
Speaker 1: we can get in touch and it all works out quickly. Okay.
Speaker 1: Our team's doing a great job. Thank you to all
Speaker 1: of them working behind the scenes while I get to
Speaker 1: have the fun job, which is talking to you tonight.
Speaker 1: Of course, it is just well eight days away from
Speaker 1: a federal election, nine days they should say, we're not
Speaker 1: in a time warp. Yet, just nine days before the
Speaker 1: federal election, how's this one point one three to two
Speaker 1: medium people have already voted. Now, that was a number
Speaker 1: which was day one, Day two. Today was day three
Speaker 1: of early voting, So you got to wait another day
Speaker 1: for those numbers to kick in. When those numbers kick in,
Speaker 1: obviously that number which we told you was going up
Speaker 1: by about five hundred thousand a day, means we're going
Speaker 1: to be pushing two million. Now. Remember, of course, the
Speaker 1: polling places will not be open tomorrow for the obvious
Speaker 1: reasons it's a public holiday. But but they will be
Speaker 1: open on Saturday. Now, normally the pre polls are not
Speaker 1: open on the Saturday before the election. But instead all
Speaker 1: of the places that you've been able to vote Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
Speaker 1: you will be able to vote on Saturday, Okay, then
Speaker 1: of course Sunday, and then we're back into it all
Speaker 1: the way Monday, Tuesday, all the way to Friday. Some
Speaker 1: of the people who have voted early, and I want
Speaker 1: you to vote early this time because you've got your
Speaker 1: your mind made up. You know what the situation is,
Speaker 1: you know what the stakes are, you know why we
Speaker 1: need to change the country and the only way to
Speaker 1: do that is to change the government. But some people
Speaker 1: who run into sky news cameras today around the country,
Speaker 1: what did they do with their vote? Regional's forgotten and
Speaker 1: you have look at all their wonderful promises. Bugger all
Speaker 1: throughout the regional And Buddy Rue, how bad is the traffic?
Speaker 2: Well, I can't move from eight o'clock to about nine
Speaker 2: point thirty.
Speaker 3: We just need some common sense in these parties.
Speaker 4: You know, they just seem to go off on these
Speaker 4: random little things, but no one's better off of what
Speaker 4: they're doing.
Speaker 1: All right, two things. We know, I've got the best
Speaker 1: job in the joint. But when you've got an apron
Speaker 1: that says democracy sausage and you're handing out snags around
Speaker 1: the country, Jonathan Lee might just have me pipped today,
Speaker 1: might just have me piped. But they're not going to
Speaker 1: be in Kutgooley and I'm going to overtake this weekend.
Speaker 1: But that's a great job that he's got. And I'm
Speaker 1: glad to hear people. And it is so true about
Speaker 1: those regional areas. It is so true about people over
Speaker 1: the age of fifty. We all know that our politics
Speaker 1: is played too close to the cities too much around
Speaker 1: the populated areas without remembering, of course there one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty seats around the country. You have to talk
Speaker 1: to both parts of Tasmania. You've got to get to
Speaker 1: Western Australia and not just throw it all around in Perth.
Speaker 1: You've got to go to the Northern territory. But of
Speaker 1: course not just Darwin Alice springs a state that matters
Speaker 1: in South Australia. There are many seats that are currently
Speaker 1: held or up for grabs, or ones that might swap.
Speaker 1: So it's not just a conversation inside Adelaide. Well said
Speaker 1: by that bloke saying that particularly regional areas are not
Speaker 1: getting the service and focus that they deserve. I couldn't
Speaker 1: agree more. In terms of those that have voted early,
Speaker 1: that more than a million people, most likely one and
Speaker 1: a half minion. By the time we wake up tomorrow
Speaker 1: and get the formal confirmation, where is the early vote happening? Well,
Speaker 1: the AEC also gives us the information about the pre
Speaker 1: poll locations where it's gone off the charts. It's happening
Speaker 1: in where or in Western Sydney. Now interestingly, there this
Speaker 1: is supposedly a relatively safe Labor seat, which either means
Speaker 1: there's some vote being banked or when things were really
Speaker 1: good for the Libs in the polls a couple of
Speaker 1: months ago, where was one of those ones that they
Speaker 1: thought they might be able to flip and out of
Speaker 1: Western Sydney. So someone banking the vote. Are people lining
Speaker 1: up to change the government? One thing we know is
Speaker 1: they don't want to wait till not this but next
Speaker 1: Saturday to vote in the seat of Bowman in Queensland, Flinders,
Speaker 1: in Victoria, Fadden in Queensland, Fowler, of course, the great
Speaker 1: die Leey. Interesting and fascinating to note there again a
Speaker 1: community that isn't going to wait until nine days away.
Speaker 1: They're doing it, and they're doing it right now. The
Speaker 1: seat of Herbert with our mate Philip Thompson. May his
Speaker 1: margin grow. Remember when that was a marginal seat just
Speaker 1: a few elections ago. He's now thumping it in and
Speaker 1: around Townsville. He is one of the best and he
Speaker 1: is one of the great future hopes of the Liberal
Speaker 1: National Party and Liberal Party around the country. Speaking of
Speaker 1: I hope of the side Andrew Hasty here in wa
Speaker 1: his seat of Canning. He's doing a lot of work
Speaker 1: to hold on to it. There's a fascinating fight happening,
Speaker 1: particularly in and around Codderslowe at the moment with the
Speaker 1: fight around Curtin and getting rid of the teeal there.
Speaker 1: But he's doing his bit and hopefully will be returned
Speaker 1: and very strongly in the seat of Canning, Gordon, Forrest
Speaker 1: and Griffith where the battle is the former Prime Minister's
Speaker 1: electric which was taken over by the Grands Labor in
Speaker 1: the fight to try to take it back. Now, on
Speaker 1: top of all of this early voting question, it's not
Speaker 1: just people who go to the local community hall to
Speaker 1: vote early. It's a number of people who won't physically
Speaker 1: go to a polling place at all. And I double
Speaker 1: checked this number and had to triple check it because
Speaker 1: almost three million people have made an application for a
Speaker 1: postal vote two point three so far, but there's a
Speaker 1: whole collection of other requests that the expectation is this
Speaker 1: number could get, as I said, to the best part
Speaker 1: of three million people, but right now two point three millions.
Speaker 1: So if you put that together with a million and
Speaker 1: a bit they've already voted, most likely one and a
Speaker 1: half million that have already voted, you put that together
Speaker 1: with the two and a bit almost three. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of people who are going to be making a
Speaker 1: decision and going, frankly, nowhere near a democracy sausage. As
Speaker 1: for where the leaders were today, the Prime Minister, well, amazingly,
Speaker 1: the Labor Party is starting to bring back a couple
Speaker 1: of talking points from the start of the election, which
Speaker 1: might mean that they have to put the scare into
Speaker 1: some people. What do they know behind the scenes that
Speaker 1: we don't know publicly. This is what he said today.
Speaker 5: What we have worked towards along with the critical minerals facility,
Speaker 5: with this additional one billion dollars that will take that
Speaker 5: facility up to five billion.
Speaker 1: Now, of course this is yet another example about the
Speaker 1: spending of your money. Now remember under this government they
Speaker 1: have taken us from the surplus back to the deficit.
Speaker 1: The surplus, of course, that was the hangover of the
Speaker 1: previous government, and then the reality of labor spending kicks in.
Speaker 1: We have a deficit this year, next year, year after that,
Speaker 1: the year after that, the year after that, in fact,
Speaker 1: for the next forty years. Remember a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: I told you about the carturn from the nineteen sixties,
Speaker 1: the Jetsons well, that was set in twenty sixty two.
Speaker 1: And guess what will also happen with flying cars and
Speaker 1: Rosie the robot and Astro the dog. A federal budget
Speaker 1: deficit for Australia. That's the position that the Labor Party
Speaker 1: has put us in. That is the expectation, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that population, which I remember, has already spiked under
Speaker 1: this government, pushing up by hundreds of thousands, the best
Speaker 1: part of a couple of minion in the couple of
Speaker 1: years that they have been here and done before. For
Speaker 1: this garbage, it's Australians. It's not Australians returning, all right.
Speaker 1: It is tipping more people into the country. And those
Speaker 1: more people add to every queue, every queue in the country,
Speaker 1: be it a rental cue, waiting for a hospital, trying
Speaker 1: to get your kids into school, All of that matters.
Speaker 1: As for Peter Dudden his announcement today, let's keep an
Speaker 1: eye on what he was doing today.
Speaker 6: Everyone's accepting the fact that the scourge of violence, of
Speaker 6: domestic violence, of financial coercion, every aspect in this debate
Speaker 6: is just completely utterly unacceptable in our society and we
Speaker 6: should be doing everything together to try and defeat it
Speaker 6: and work toward better outcomes for individuals, but for our
Speaker 6: country as well.
Speaker 1: As you know the media, they do their best to
Speaker 1: keep the current system in place. Firstly, ideologically, they of
Speaker 1: course are to the left, the hard left or the
Speaker 1: even crazy left, and they like the arrangement they currently
Speaker 1: have with the Prime Minister because of course, not only
Speaker 1: is it the side that they like, but this is
Speaker 1: the side that gives them what they want, a little
Speaker 1: drip feed of stories that means they're able to look
Speaker 1: like they're right on top of their jobs, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that most of them, of course, are focused on
Speaker 1: an area that was the only part of the country
Speaker 1: to vote yes when sixty percent of the rest of
Speaker 1: the country was voting no. These are the people who, well,
Speaker 1: they hate talking about the cost of living crisis. Why
Speaker 1: because it's too real. They want to get back to
Speaker 1: mythical conversations about energy and climate change as opposed to
Speaker 1: the realities of important about where people get their food from. Now,
Speaker 1: for those that are about to go and run off
Speaker 1: to the umpire, let me be clear, I'm not suggesting
Speaker 1: the conversation about climate change or the environment is mythical
Speaker 1: because it isn't true. I'm just saying they prefer the
Speaker 1: conversations that are a little more up there but down
Speaker 1: here with you and I, which means this is the
Speaker 1: type of questions that the Prime minister gets after a
Speaker 1: horrible three years of being prime minister. Remember, for the
Speaker 1: past two years, more than fifty percent of the country
Speaker 1: is said we're headed in the wrong direction, and up
Speaker 1: to sixty percent of the country we're saying that he
Speaker 1: was doing a poor or very poor job. But then
Speaker 1: the ugel booger of Donald Trump and suddenly twenty percent
Speaker 1: of people have changed their mind in the past couple
Speaker 1: of months. Well, I'll show you tonight. There's a good
Speaker 1: chance that in the next couple of weeks they might
Speaker 1: change their mind back because this bloke is being exposed
Speaker 1: by a liar, but not by the media who's traveling
Speaker 1: with him.
Speaker 6: Should the Commonwealth spend anything on helping WA secure an
Speaker 6: NRL site?
Speaker 1: Seriously? Yes. There was big news today in Western Australia
Speaker 1: that the North City Bears will be coming back as
Speaker 1: the Perth Bears to the National Rugby League. It could
Speaker 1: happen as early as twenty twenty six. It'll all line
Speaker 1: up with the PMG team which is going to be
Speaker 1: coming in as well, more games, more fans, more opportunities. Awesome, Great,
Speaker 1: that's the question you asked the Prime Minister. Meantime, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of nonsense today in and around Peter Dutton.
Speaker 1: Remember the press gallery must kill off Peter Dutton's chance
Speaker 1: of getting out our first gear. They must never give
Speaker 1: him the opportunity to be able to get on the
Speaker 1: front foot. He must always remain on defense because if
Speaker 1: he remains on defense he can go. He cannot get
Speaker 1: into attack. And we know, just go back to that
Speaker 1: voice conversation that he joined the No campaign when it
Speaker 1: was sixty forty. Yes, but he ended up standing there
Speaker 1: on the night where the majority of Australians had seen it,
Speaker 1: that argued it and agreed with him, which is why
Speaker 1: they treat Peter Dutton like this.
Speaker 2: Is it concerning to you that your pick for Immigration
Speaker 2: Minister doesn't appear to know the current migration settings?
Speaker 7: Was your answer yesterday on West to Rusale on the mistake?
Speaker 1: Sorry, you had to your office had to go and
Speaker 1: clarify it. So was it a mistake? Labour's candidate for
Speaker 1: Dickson Ali France and have recently resurfaced. She's called you
Speaker 1: a monster. These what is your action of these posts?
Speaker 2: Very popular, but you do actually have to win votes
Speaker 2: to get into government to make it happen. Why should
Speaker 2: people vote for you when you give the air of
Speaker 2: a guy that's turned up not having turned his homeworking
Speaker 2: on time.
Speaker 7: You don't want to visit a site? I mean, haven't
Speaker 7: you let your.
Speaker 2: Team down by the way that you have proposed your
Speaker 2: policies and failed to sell them.
Speaker 1: See just one second, I'll tell you how this game works.
Speaker 1: If they were able to drag you into these conversations
Speaker 1: about did you do your homework? Have you prepared yourself
Speaker 1: a nath? All of that, of course takes you away
Speaker 1: from whatever it was that they were planning to talk
Speaker 1: about today. It's also perfect example about the sort of
Speaker 1: psychological warfare game that they play. Now again, should he
Speaker 1: be there and getting a tickle in the cuddle from everyone?
Speaker 1: Of course not? Should report us absolutely poke holes in
Speaker 1: ideas being suggested by the major Candidate's great, but I'd
Speaker 1: love to see it on the Prime Minister's side. They
Speaker 1: don't do any of this stuff to the Prime Minister,
Speaker 1: which means they are only trying to do it to
Speaker 1: show and we show you. What they won't show you.
Speaker 1: See what they show you is the headline, and the
Speaker 1: headline will be no, I am not unprepared Peter Dutton.
Speaker 1: That'll be the quote to send the subtle message, jeez,
Speaker 1: what is He's running out of ideas? He's not prepared.
Speaker 1: But of course it's a reaction to the preposition of
Speaker 1: the question that they have been asked by the reporter.
Speaker 1: Perfect example. Remember I showed you on Channel nine last
Speaker 1: night in their debate. They were the one so asked
Speaker 1: the question. Also a former police officer, do you think
Speaker 1: that's made you a little bit too black and white,
Speaker 1: a little bit too hard? He turns around and says, well,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of being a police officer. And then that
Speaker 1: was spun by Channel nine the night after the debate
Speaker 1: into Peter Dutton says that his experience as a police
Speaker 1: officer is the reason why he can take on the
Speaker 1: word you asked the question. Now, I get it. You
Speaker 1: live in a busy life. Majority of people they are
Speaker 1: watching this conversation right now, But I'm watching the people
Speaker 1: who are trying to spin the ball. The people who
Speaker 1: look down on this program, look down on people like you,
Speaker 1: think that we are surplus to the conversation. You saw
Speaker 1: the way Monique Ryan reacted to Laura Jays this week
Speaker 1: because Laura was there to expose the double standard of
Speaker 1: that person pushing too one side Instead, their entire media
Speaker 1: strategy is that as long as the prime minister is
Speaker 1: always on offense, then the opposition leader is always on defense.
Speaker 1: If the opposition leader is always on defense, he looks
Speaker 1: like the loser in an election. That's how they spin
Speaker 1: the ball, and they do it every single day. Now again,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and tell you that
Speaker 1: the polls are wrong now but they were right two
Speaker 1: months ago. No, they are a reflection of the mood.
Speaker 1: But you know who helps set the mood of the country,
Speaker 1: the source of information that you get. And I'll get
Speaker 1: to that in a moment or two's time. But let's
Speaker 1: take a moment to talk about the greatest prime minister
Speaker 1: of all time getting ready for the great reelection. Oh,
Speaker 1: you can imagine when this bloke gets re elected. If
Speaker 1: this bloke gets re erected, he'll be the first Labor
Speaker 1: prime minister re elected, all right, since Bob Hawk in
Speaker 1: the nineties. He'd be the first prime minister of either
Speaker 1: political party to go to two elections and win two
Speaker 1: elections since John Howd in two thousand and four. Ah,
Speaker 1: the history that will be made, the bronze statues that
Speaker 1: will be built to this man, the public holidays that
Speaker 1: will be renamed. But he's got a glass jaw, and
Speaker 1: that's because he only likes a fight that he can win.
Speaker 1: And anyone who pushes back, you're going to copy it.
Speaker 1: And I said at the time, and I repeat tonight,
Speaker 1: that I do not care that Anthony Aberzi fell off
Speaker 1: a stage in Newcastle photos with everyone, Okay, I repeat,
Speaker 1: I do not care that the Prime Minister fell over.
Speaker 1: Makes me think of the end of the Revenge of
Speaker 1: the Sith. Wasn't that episode three in Star Wars, which
Speaker 1: I think is in cinemas because of the twentieth anniversary
Speaker 1: this weekend, the slow Moobidal. But what was interesting to
Speaker 1: me was that Anthony Abernesi lied about whether he fell
Speaker 1: off a stage. Again, who cares, right, No one's choosing
Speaker 1: their vote on whether we do he didn't fall off
Speaker 1: the stage, right, And we've all had a little stumble,
Speaker 1: and we've all had that thing where we're just walking
Speaker 1: down the street and your ankle rolls and you start
Speaker 1: wabbling and you feel like quite a fool. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: not a great feeling, especially when people are looking, let
Speaker 1: alone TV cameras and photos. But remember what is worth
Speaker 1: noticing is that he lies about things. He's lying about Medicare,
Speaker 1: he's lying about the plans of the opposition when it
Speaker 1: comes to the energy transition. But when he lies about
Speaker 1: whether he falls off the stage or not, like he
Speaker 1: did on the radio in Newcastle the same afternoon, we
Speaker 1: have a problem.
Speaker 2: I stepped back one step.
Speaker 5: I didn't fall off the stage, just one leg went down,
Speaker 5: but I was sweet.
Speaker 1: It's a deep fake, okay, Radio Ossie Biden. The thing is,
Speaker 1: let's also get to why I'm talking about this again today,
Speaker 1: because it all came up again. I don't know quite
Speaker 1: under stand why we are reliving in the fourth week
Speaker 1: of the campaign what was happening in the first week
Speaker 1: of the campaign. But okay, maybe for some people it's
Speaker 1: that boring. But the Prime Minister was asked about it
Speaker 1: today and who that glass? Job? Baby crickety quick quick crack, like, honestly,
Speaker 1: this bloke he's this was him today when he was
Speaker 1: asked about it, and old Glass your Albow doesn't like it.
Speaker 7: He said this morning at the breakfast event that falling
Speaker 7: off the stage had been the worst moment of the
Speaker 7: campaign for you when you were in the Hunted Valleys
Speaker 7: A joke, chill out.
Speaker 1: Really, could you imagine if that was Tony Abbitt, Scott
Speaker 1: Morrison or anyone else? How could you read a female
Speaker 1: reporter old dasshit in this message? You know? Right? But
Speaker 1: because he's the one that he can't ever be on defense.
Speaker 1: And by the way, the reason I didn't call him
Speaker 1: Ozzie Joe and I called him Ossie Biden was because
Speaker 1: Ozzie Joe Bugner knew how to take a punch. Albo
Speaker 1: does not. So today again that question was asked, and
Speaker 1: then there was a redo on whether he did fall
Speaker 1: off the stage or not. What's the worst moment of
Speaker 1: this campaign so far?
Speaker 5: I'll probably falling off the stage.
Speaker 1: And then he turns around and says, actually, hang on,
Speaker 1: Then again, no, I didn't, well I didn't he all
Speaker 1: I did? You would like to Sorry, let's just double
Speaker 1: check the tape again, because I can't work out from
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister right. It used to be each way Albow.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to say that it's an elbow threesome, right,
Speaker 1: and an albou threesome is when there's the truth, there's
Speaker 1: the lie, and then there's the double lie. All right.
Speaker 1: Perhaps I'll work on that metaphor over the weekend, but
Speaker 1: I stand by it right now. A triangle of lies.
Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate who just gave me that idea. But
Speaker 1: still just a double check whether the Prime Minister did
Speaker 1: or didn't fall off the stage, of which I don't care.
Speaker 8: Let's check the tape.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim, who helps put the show together. He's the director,
Speaker 1: making sure everything's going. He's running the Commonlaw sixty four.
Speaker 1: We had a good idea. Might be time for a
Speaker 1: new graphic, but no, until then, we'll stick by this, okay,
Speaker 1: which is each way elbow all right. The thing is now,
Speaker 1: it's not just one way, it's not just two ways.
Speaker 1: It's three ways about whether he did or didn't fall
Speaker 1: off the freaking stage. More serious, something that matters desperately
Speaker 1: in this election is what are you voting for? What
Speaker 1: are you voting against? Why you're voting for the government,
Speaker 1: Why are you voting against the government, Why you're voting
Speaker 1: for the opposition, why you're voting against them? Why you're
Speaker 1: voting whinner party and what are you doing when it
Speaker 1: comes to your preference, right, Because I always think that
Speaker 1: you should have not just an idea about what you
Speaker 1: want to reject, but what you want to endorse as well.
Speaker 1: That's the reality of a vote. But for an awful
Speaker 1: lot of people, for some reason, they have been pulled
Speaker 1: in by the lies the Prime Minister has been saying
Speaker 1: around healthcare. Remember, up until the very start of this year,
Speaker 1: and at the start of this year, cost of living
Speaker 1: was the number one issue in the country. It was
Speaker 1: an issue that he was losing on because he'd been
Speaker 1: around for the past couple of years. Remember he spent
Speaker 1: four undred and fifteen million dollars on a yes, no question.
Speaker 1: He's the one who took fifteen hundred dollars off ten
Speaker 1: million workers. But they know that. Yep, Labor Party, let's
Speaker 1: talk about medicare. Change your subject. Media will go along
Speaker 1: with us. Sure, they will count the number of times
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton goes to a petrol station, but they don't
Speaker 1: seem to keep any sort of a running tally on
Speaker 1: the number of times he stands in front of the
Speaker 1: strengthening Medicare sign, which, of course the idea, by the way,
Speaker 1: the idea that the logo of Medicare is now associated
Speaker 1: with lay Ybber Party campaign tactics. Remember that is an
Speaker 1: independent organization, but they're pretending it's part of the Labor Party. Right,
Speaker 1: No one calls that rule out. But that's not the
Speaker 1: point I'm about to make you. The point the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister has made many, many, many times, so much so
Speaker 1: that he is probably sick of saying it, which means
Speaker 1: people are they're only just starting to pay attention to it,
Speaker 1: is that you will only need your Medicare card to
Speaker 1: go to the doctor. A simple prop to suggest that
Speaker 1: every time you have a look in your wallet, you'll
Speaker 1: be reminded that it's the Labor Party who will make
Speaker 1: sure that you never have to worry about paying extra
Speaker 1: when it comes to going to the doctor.
Speaker 5: All I need is this little green card. All I
Speaker 5: know is a Medicare card.
Speaker 1: The reality is it's not true. This government, in its
Speaker 1: three years, has seen the total number of people who
Speaker 1: are able to bulk bill the entirety of their building
Speaker 1: the doctor go down. Down right evil, nasty liberal party.
Speaker 1: They're doing worse. They promise to try to lift it
Speaker 1: back to kind of where it was before they took over.
Speaker 1: But guess what, even that could end up being a lie.
Speaker 1: You see, Mark Butler was at the National Press Club
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, and it's normally a home game,
Speaker 1: a home ground game for a left leaning politician like himself.
Speaker 1: But now with a week to go in the election,
Speaker 1: when more than a million people have voted, when potentially
Speaker 1: maybe three million people have voted because they've filled out
Speaker 1: their ballot papers already, the truth has been exposed that
Speaker 1: under this plan there will still be plenty of people
Speaker 1: who will need more than their Medicare to go Medicare
Speaker 1: card to go and see a doctor. Roll the tape
Speaker 1: because you need to remember this when you talk to
Speaker 1: your family this weekend.
Speaker 2: There will be Australians who will continue to be charge
Speaker 2: to gap fee.
Speaker 1: Hang on, sorry, that's slightly different. What did the prime
Speaker 1: ministers say was the promise all they need.
Speaker 5: Is this little green card. All they know is their
Speaker 5: Medicare card.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I thought to the there's an asterisk care, there's
Speaker 1: a maybe. And by the way, that number of even
Speaker 1: potentially ninety percent of people being able to bulk bill
Speaker 1: may not happen. Why because doctors are openly saying that
Speaker 1: that won't be the system regardless of what the government
Speaker 1: tells them to do, because it's not the government that decides,
Speaker 1: it's the GP that decides how much they bulk bill
Speaker 1: versus how much extra you have to pay on top
Speaker 1: of the bulk billing and rushed in middle stump shadow
Speaker 1: Health Minister.
Speaker 3: The reality is the Prime Minister has been out there
Speaker 3: misleading Australians everyday. Australians know that it has never been
Speaker 3: harder or more expensive to see a doctor, and no
Speaker 3: amount of waving around his Medicare card changes the experience
Speaker 3: that they're feeling on the ground right now.
Speaker 1: That's the truth. This was a change the subject to
Speaker 1: get themselves out of the book that they were in
Speaker 1: because of the way that they handled the past three
Speaker 1: years Economically. It largely worked because most of the media
Speaker 1: was never going to call bs. He was allowed to
Speaker 1: cover himself in the logo of an organization that, yes,
Speaker 1: the government funds, but the Labor Party doesn't have a
Speaker 1: right to pretend is it's branding. If that's the case,
Speaker 1: then literally the Liberal Party, if they wanted to, would
Speaker 1: be able to wear camouflage each and every day and
Speaker 1: stand in front of a tank and with a Liberal
Speaker 1: Party logo on it. It's a lie, and it's a
Speaker 1: lie to change the subject. And even then the doctors
Speaker 1: are saying that they won't deliver it. And it brings
Speaker 1: me to the last thing I want to say to
Speaker 1: you tonight. You have to have the conversations with your family,
Speaker 1: not to browbeat them, not to make them feel bad,
Speaker 1: not to make them feel stupor, but you need to
Speaker 1: remind them, hey, hey, well, or let's get back where
Speaker 1: you were a couple of months ago, before they changed
Speaker 1: the subject, before they besked, before they started to spin
Speaker 1: like mad tops. And in fact, the number one source
Speaker 1: of information about politics and current affairs in Australia is
Speaker 1: not social media. It's not the traditional media, it's not
Speaker 1: the new media. It's family and friends. This was an
Speaker 1: essential poll which was released just a couple of months
Speaker 1: ago and it shows about the trust that people have
Speaker 1: in the information and where it comes from. You can
Speaker 1: see there the best part of what eighty percent of
Speaker 1: people they believe that friends and family are the ones
Speaker 1: they trust a little or a lot. That's more than newspapers, TV, radio,
Speaker 1: more than social media. And it doesn't matter whether you
Speaker 1: vote red, blue, green, orange or anything else. Guess what
Speaker 1: it still is the number one thing that people trust
Speaker 1: when it comes to information about the news and information
Speaker 1: about elections. For three years, we have counted the grains
Speaker 1: of sand. For three years we have told you every
Speaker 1: single thing this government has done to make life worse.
Speaker 1: If you need a reminder of the things to bring
Speaker 1: up with those who may well have just been too
Speaker 1: busy to pay the same attention as you can, I
Speaker 1: go through the list for you. Don't forget here. This
Speaker 1: is a government that promised to make things better when
Speaker 1: it came to cost living, but the reality was if
Speaker 1: you go the supermarketing, they're paying double then you did
Speaker 1: three years ago. Remember they were going to cut two
Speaker 1: ee hundred and seventy five dollars off your power bill.
Speaker 1: Will your power bill has gone up bye hundreds, probably
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars by now. The government has decided to
Speaker 1: increase taxes to the highest ever levels on booze, cigarettes
Speaker 1: and petrol. Fifty cents in every liter of petrol is tax.
Speaker 1: Sixty three percent of one bottle of Bundy run is
Speaker 1: tax right now, and the Prime Minister can't promise that
Speaker 1: it gets better in the next three years. Are you
Speaker 1: prepared to repeat that pledge in another three years time.
Speaker 5: Oh, we certainly want people to be better off in
Speaker 5: three years time.
Speaker 1: When it comes to our schools, one in three Australian
Speaker 1: kids in primary school and high school is failing the
Speaker 1: minimum standards when it comes to reading, writing, mathematics. Would
Speaker 1: you rehire the people in charge of that system? Would
Speaker 1: you rehire people who say if you want to have
Speaker 1: a conversation about Australia Day and why you are prideful
Speaker 1: of the day because you care about the future of
Speaker 1: the country, you don't obsess about the day in the past.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's a culture war. Do you trust the
Speaker 1: people who called you a dinosaur or a dickhead because
Speaker 1: you didn't change the constitution to the way they wanted
Speaker 1: you to vote. Do you really believe that because I
Speaker 1: like this guy more than I like that guy, we
Speaker 1: should hire all of these guys and girls for the
Speaker 1: next three years. Yeah. Let's bring back the Communications minister who,
Speaker 1: along with the Prime Minister, wanted to censor the Internet.
Speaker 1: Let's bring back the Energy Minister who is promising hundreds
Speaker 1: of billions of dollars more for renewables, which of course
Speaker 1: means you ruin the land to save the atmosphere. Or
Speaker 1: what about his left wing rival Tanya Plippasik, who's already
Speaker 1: got a deal in place to pass the Nature positive
Speaker 1: laws which would ruin places like Western Australia. Does anyone
Speaker 1: want to hire clueless Clara now for the job she
Speaker 1: currently does, which is all about saying were's doing something
Speaker 1: about houses rather than actually building houses, going on television
Speaker 1: like she did yesterday saying cad Marc Cada Mark because
Speaker 1: she didn't like it. You want Tony Burke to be
Speaker 1: in charge of immigration, borders and stacking suburbs over the
Speaker 1: next three years. I've had enough of this bloke. I've
Speaker 1: had enough of the gas lighting. I've had enough of
Speaker 1: the lives. I've had enough of the each way. I've
Speaker 1: had enough of them looking down at us. So you
Speaker 1: have the conversations this weekend, because people just two months
Speaker 1: ago were ready to get rid of them. Perhaps after
Speaker 1: two days of conversation with you, they will be again
Speaker 1: quick break back with more here on Paulmurray Life. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for watching wherever you're happen to be,
Speaker 1: looking forward to our conversation with Christiy McSweeney, Darren Bunnette
Speaker 1: and then Lee Hansen live from Tasmania in the Battle
Speaker 1: to take down Jackie Lamby. On a second, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for watching. I am in Perth tonight on
Speaker 1: our way to caw Gooley this weekend and I'm going
Speaker 1: to reveal something to you a national icon, and I
Speaker 1: mean icon. There will not be a single person watching
Speaker 1: this show who does not know. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: bet love this Australian who's going to be with us
Speaker 1: in Cawgooley. That's all I can say. You thought it
Speaker 1: was great when we had Daryl Braithwaite singing horses. We're
Speaker 1: going to go up agear up a gear baby special
Speaker 1: guest Cowgoley Sunday night. Tuesday night is when Peter Dutton
Speaker 1: will be in the man Cave taking your questions. Ask
Speaker 1: me anything. Now. We've got plenty of people who've given
Speaker 1: us their answers on the East Coast, but I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear from people in Tasmania, South Australian Northern Territory
Speaker 1: here around tonight in Perth, in wonderful Western Australia. Okay,
Speaker 1: your name, your number, your location, your question Peter Dunton
Speaker 1: asked me anything Tuesday night in the man Cave. In
Speaker 1: the meantime, I'll be asking Christy McSweeney and Darren Bunnett
Speaker 1: whatever I want, because that's the joy of being the
Speaker 1: host and then being the guests. Love you to see
Speaker 1: you both this Thursday night. So I'm going to start
Speaker 1: with you first, Darren, which is did the medi Care
Speaker 1: medi scare lie get a crack and a bit of
Speaker 1: an own goal by what the healthinesster said yesterday? And
Speaker 1: I know this deep into the game, not as many
Speaker 1: people will hear the truth as opposed to the lie
Speaker 1: that's gone around the world a few times now. Was
Speaker 1: that a moment that well they would be hoping happened
Speaker 1: in the last week, not in the second last week?
Speaker 4: Well, it happened in the first Sky debate, Paul, when
Speaker 4: there was someone from the audience asked that very same question,
Speaker 4: which was debate number one. So I think Peter Dutton
Speaker 4: asked the question back to the woman in the audience
Speaker 4: that did you need to take your credit card as
Speaker 4: well as your Medicare card?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: I did. So It's not the first time this piece
Speaker 4: of information has been made public during the campaign. The
Speaker 4: problem for the opposition is that it hasn't got any traction.
Speaker 4: And to be honest with you, this is the third
Speaker 4: week in a row we've sat here and said there's
Speaker 4: not any traction for the opposition and that's the problem.
Speaker 4: That they still don't have momentum, and they still manage
Speaker 4: to have the stories each day predominantly about them, and
Speaker 4: that's been the drama that at the start of the year,
Speaker 4: the story was about Albanesi and his government, and I
Speaker 4: watched the bit of your show before was waiting all
Speaker 4: of the ministers, that they've got their own records, they've
Speaker 4: got their own list of what you would call non achievements,
Speaker 4: that people were aware of all of that, But a
Speaker 4: new story and a new narrative has taken over, and
Speaker 4: that's the problem that the opposition has. With a week
Speaker 4: to go, they're not necessarily in much stronger a position
Speaker 4: than they were at the start of the campaign.
Speaker 1: Well, as you also noticed, I said, as I was
Speaker 1: mentioning about how that happens, which is the gatekeepers to
Speaker 1: information in terms of the establishment mainstream and access media.
Speaker 1: But Christy, again, does Liberal Party have the ability to
Speaker 1: call bs? I mean, there's been in all of those debates,
Speaker 1: someone calling bs in and around medi scare, but the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister, even after it is said to his face
Speaker 1: in a debate, continues on with the lie, the shamelessness
Speaker 1: of the line.
Speaker 7: Look, it is a lie, and as Darren said, it
Speaker 7: was exposed in the first debate. There's not an Australian
Speaker 7: in the country who goes to a GP or goes
Speaker 7: to a medical service and doesn't have to pay, unless,
Speaker 7: of course, you go to a public hospital which is
Speaker 7: funded by the States, of which doctors working in a
Speaker 7: public hospital don't have a Medicare number. So that point,
Speaker 7: you know, it's null and void Medicare. And I think
Speaker 7: the government hopes that people bank on the confusion between
Speaker 7: the cost shifting of health services. Who pays for impatient,
Speaker 7: who pays for outpatient and so the point of that
Speaker 7: is the Government's been very skilled at distilling their scare
Speaker 7: campaign into one message. Now, yes that message is false,
Speaker 7: but the opposition hasn't distilled their rebuttal or their counter
Speaker 7: attack into something equally as simple. I've heard really good
Speaker 7: speeches from Anne Rusten yesterday, the shadow Health Minister. I've
Speaker 7: heard really good speeches from Angus Taylor. I've heard the
Speaker 7: right narrative and I've heard the right sentiment, but I
Speaker 7: haven't heard the correct messaging. That's simple, that's non complex.
Speaker 7: And you know, Tony Abbott was so successful stop the
Speaker 7: boat's acts attacks, labor has been very successful. Where for childcare, medicare,
Speaker 7: for rising your wages? In the last twenty twenty two campaign,
Speaker 7: there's been a vacuum of well, what are those messages
Speaker 7: for the coalition. There's been really good assessments and really
Speaker 7: good speeches made, but it hasn't been distilled to that
Speaker 7: messaging framework.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go through a speed round here, because
Speaker 1: there's quite a few little bits of assessment that I'd
Speaker 1: like from you guys. Why is this campaign so ugly?
Speaker 1: And by that, I mean there's always been madness, and
Speaker 1: there's always people that get a little bit too excited,
Speaker 1: too close to the line. But we've had camera phones
Speaker 1: for a long time now. But the idea that somebody
Speaker 1: was assaulted at a polling place yesterday, that somebody was
Speaker 1: arrested because of having a knife, another person kicking over signs,
Speaker 1: people punching at public forums, why is it this wild?
Speaker 1: Because it does feel wild alone all the people ripping
Speaker 1: into the posts. Christie, is this wilder than what you
Speaker 1: experienced three years ago?
Speaker 7: Perhaps it's not wilder. Perhaps we are just seeing it
Speaker 7: more because of the media concentration and the immediacy of
Speaker 7: social media. These things have always occurred, but perhaps I
Speaker 7: think the political environment has becoming more and more binary.
Speaker 7: People on the fringe of the left and people on
Speaker 7: the fringe of the right engage in extreme behaviors, and
Speaker 7: we've certainly have seen the evolution or the acceleration of
Speaker 7: extreme fringe groups on either binary position, whereas we probably
Speaker 7: didn't have that in Australia, you know, twenty years ago
Speaker 7: when I first started doing that. So that fringe element,
Speaker 7: combined with we're able to see it more now because
Speaker 7: of social media, makes it feel like it's more and
Speaker 7: more common.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Darren, is it worse? Does it seem worse? Again?
Speaker 1: I don't want us to get to a level where
Speaker 1: we can all agree it's officially worse, which is things
Speaker 1: getting even more sort of interpersonally serious. But it does
Speaker 1: feel like Jesus all auto agra. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: like the person running against Dutton for labor in Dixon
Speaker 1: with the Nazi staff that you know, it's just every
Speaker 1: single day there's some version of it. And look, obviously
Speaker 1: it turns people off, but it does feel a little wilder.
Speaker 1: But you were there in the Gillard years, and I
Speaker 1: remember twenty ten was pretty wild.
Speaker 4: We couldn't get through a day without someone throwing a
Speaker 4: sandwich at my boss back in the good old days.
Speaker 4: But look, I don't think it's worse, to be brutally honest.
Speaker 4: I think that social media and other forms of recording
Speaker 4: events are far more widespread than what they were. It
Speaker 4: doesn't kind of mitigate the fact that there's a lot
Speaker 4: of anger out there in the community. I think it's
Speaker 4: always been there, but people feel a bit more in boldened.
Speaker 4: I think that people now feel that they can run
Speaker 4: up to an event, even if they don't have an
Speaker 4: official invite. They'll talk their way in. They know that
Speaker 4: the cameras will follow them. I think there's a little
Speaker 4: bit of that, and that comes from all sectors of
Speaker 4: the kind of the hard left and others. It's I
Speaker 4: don't think we can point the finger in any particular direction.
Speaker 4: But even today there was some stuff out of a
Speaker 4: candidate forum in the seat of Kuyong that was a
Speaker 4: little bit ugly that there's lots of pieces that disturb
Speaker 4: everyday ordinary peace loving Australians that they look at this
Speaker 4: and I think even both leaders have said it, but
Speaker 4: the greatest thing about our democracy is we don't have
Speaker 4: armed guards at ballot boxes that people can support different teams,
Speaker 4: that you can run up on the day, there's no pressure.
Speaker 4: You can cast your vote and you can move on
Speaker 4: and I hope we never lose that.
Speaker 1: Now in the second we're going to talk to the
Speaker 1: great Lee Hanson, who is hoping to take down Jackie
Speaker 1: Lamby more importantly when a spot in the Senate for
Speaker 1: herself and of course serving in the Parliament as the
Speaker 1: Tasmanian Senator for one nation. I think she's the smoky
Speaker 1: of this election. I also think potentially a legalized cannabis
Speaker 1: person will be elected from somewhere. I hope not Victoria
Speaker 1: because this would be how many parties or rebad jiggings
Speaker 1: in a row for Fiona Patten. But that's a place
Speaker 1: that has got a couple of people elected to the
Speaker 1: Upper House before. So Christy, where do you think there's
Speaker 1: a smoky be at a particular party that no one's
Speaker 1: talking about? Remember a couple of elections ago. What was
Speaker 1: it the Australian Sporting Party or something got up before
Speaker 1: there was a revote here in way.
Speaker 7: Look, I'd watched Lee Hanson taking on Jackie Lamby. I'm
Speaker 7: also really looking forward to watching see how the contest
Speaker 7: pans out between One Nation and Clyde Palmer in Queensland.
Speaker 7: I'm also looking at a couple of seats in Western
Speaker 7: Australia where the swing against Labor in the state election
Speaker 7: was into the mid twenties. And that's particular seats like
Speaker 7: has Luck, which has a very strong One Nation vote
Speaker 7: as well and a strong Palmer vote. Let's see how
Speaker 7: the preferences fall they're combined with that twenty five percent
Speaker 7: swing against Labor in the state election and seats like
Speaker 7: pers Labor is tracking ahead so far. But you know,
Speaker 7: I will say the polls are all within a margin
Speaker 7: of era. They're very very tight. It's still anyone's rights.
Speaker 7: It's a preference algorithm, and the major party polls are
Speaker 7: still within that margin of era. So really interesting. We're
Speaker 7: in for a very very interesting night.
Speaker 1: My oath. Now I have a proper long, deep and
Speaker 1: fighting conversation in the last week of the campaign, but Darren,
Speaker 1: give me an idea bumper sticker. Where do you think
Speaker 1: there's a smoking in the Senate?
Speaker 4: I think the number six spot in most states is
Speaker 4: up for grabs, and there's a couple of different reasons
Speaker 4: for that. In some states it always is Victoria last
Speaker 4: time offered up Ralph babbittt. We've seen South Australia over
Speaker 4: a long period of time Tazzy over a fairly long
Speaker 4: period of time, and I think just with the Trumpian
Speaker 4: kind of yeah, the pincer movement that Dutton's found himself in,
Speaker 4: I think that number six spot is up for grabs
Speaker 4: everywhere and it's going to deliver at least one or
Speaker 4: two smokies. And it may well be that one nation
Speaker 4: picked them up, but it could just as easily be,
Speaker 4: as you say, someone from a cannabis party or a
Speaker 4: legalized cannabis party, or maybe even Jackie Lamby picks one
Speaker 4: up in South Australia with Rex Patrick. But who can say.
Speaker 4: And it's entirely possible that Lee Hanson gets there in Tazzy.
Speaker 4: It's going to be. I think the Senate race, as
Speaker 4: always is going to be fascinating. But Hanson's decision to
Speaker 4: preference the Libs in one hundred and twenty three seats.
Speaker 4: I think it is that could kick up something in
Speaker 4: the Lower House as well. So for us political tragics,
Speaker 4: there's always something to keep us occupied.
Speaker 1: Paul correct or the result that we all thought would
Speaker 1: be the case ends up being the case. All right,
Speaker 1: for we need to talk about next week. We still
Speaker 1: do so thank you guys, have a wonderful weekend. Or
Speaker 1: at quick break back with more. Let's not talk about her,
Speaker 1: Let's talk to her Lee Hanson, the One Nation senator
Speaker 1: candidate wanting to knock out Jackie Lamby but more importantly
Speaker 1: standing in our own two feet for the people of
Speaker 1: Tazzy next. Every now and then there is someone in
Speaker 1: Australian politics and you get a sense it's going to
Speaker 1: be around for a while, but also it's going to
Speaker 1: be a bit of a rock star. I think that
Speaker 1: about Lee Hansen. She is running for One Nation in
Speaker 1: Tasmania and we are throwing as much as we can
Speaker 1: behind her because it's about time Tasmania had somebody who
Speaker 1: doesn't just fire up, but somebody's actually responsible representing them.
Speaker 1: And Lee Hanson joins us. Now she's in Richmond in
Speaker 1: Tasmania right now, how's the campaign made? Just a week
Speaker 1: and a bit to go, But of course people voting
Speaker 1: as we speak, they are, Hi, Paul, it is.
Speaker 2: It's been busy the last few weeks and been on
Speaker 2: polling pre polling booths today where all hands on deck
Speaker 2: and the countdown is on.
Speaker 1: All right, give me an idea about the types of
Speaker 1: issues that people start to talk to you about that
Speaker 1: are just the obvious about, you know, cost living, you
Speaker 1: know all the stuff that we all know. What is
Speaker 1: the stuff that when they know it's you that they
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, we've actually been traveling this state over the last
Speaker 2: week and a half and getting around and speaking to
Speaker 2: the locals and Tasmanians, and to be honest, Paul, it's
Speaker 2: been heartbreaking listening to the different stories. Tasmanians feel that
Speaker 2: they've been left behind. The way of life has changed significantly,
Speaker 2: and they're worried about their children's future just as much
Speaker 2: as I about mine. So yes, the cost of living, housing,
Speaker 2: accessibility of affordability, education and health are huge on the
Speaker 2: agenda here in Tasmania. There are naturally some other sensitive
Speaker 2: and Tasmania specific topics which obviously hearing a lot of
Speaker 2: concerns about you know, how do we support our forestry industry,
Speaker 2: our salmon industry as well our mining industries here down
Speaker 2: in Tasmania too. So it is heartbreaking hearing the stories
Speaker 2: as people come up and have been asking for help,
Speaker 2: they want change, They're looking for change and have been
Speaker 2: seeking that in me, which has been fabulous.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing where look, you know, we
Speaker 1: love Tasmania, done plenty of shows there, but a lot
Speaker 1: of people who haven't been in a while they need
Speaker 1: to be reminded Tasmania is many things within itself, right.
Speaker 1: We know literally that North is different than the South.
Speaker 1: We know that literally there's different public holidays at times
Speaker 1: between the North and the South, and you obviously get
Speaker 1: different things in different places. But let's talk about yes,
Speaker 1: like almost in a tactical sense, right, which is that
Speaker 1: Jackie Lamby seemingly has been able to make the most
Speaker 1: out of the North. Is that where you see people
Speaker 1: need to change their minds tactically. Where are you focused
Speaker 1: at the moment as the most fertile ground for one
Speaker 1: nation and for your candidates? Look to be.
Speaker 2: Honest, the support for myself and my other five Lower
Speaker 2: House One Nation candidates here in Tasmania has been felt
Speaker 2: really strongly around the whole state. I think people are
Speaker 2: looking for change across the whole state and getting behind
Speaker 2: One Nation. I do think One Nation's biggest support is
Speaker 2: obviously in the rural and regional remote regions, particularly in
Speaker 2: the north and northwest and far south, because that is
Speaker 2: where they're being hit the hardest in regards to the
Speaker 2: cost of housing and the loss of jobs and these
Speaker 2: big issues such as salmon and farming, salmon and forestry
Speaker 2: which has been hot topics. So they're looking for people
Speaker 2: for these political parties to support them and not boycott
Speaker 2: them or throw them under the bus. And that's what
Speaker 2: we're offering. The difference with One Nation being family values
Speaker 2: for so across the whole state wholeheartedly, but definitely in
Speaker 2: the rural and regional remote areas in particular.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is it and not those areas because
Speaker 1: the overall size of population in the state they matter
Speaker 1: even more. It's why it's a fascinating conversation, really interesting
Speaker 1: political place to discuss. I know that a particular passion
Speaker 1: for you is an education as well, because you've seen
Speaker 1: the worst in the wokest of the education system, haven't you.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: I've worked in the higher education system, which certainly was
Speaker 2: illuminating and it taught me a lot some great things
Speaker 2: that we do and we offer here within this state.
Speaker 2: But it's also taught me some areas that need some
Speaker 2: critical attention and support across our state, particularly in Tasmania
Speaker 2: as well. And then on the other hand, being a
Speaker 2: mother with children going through the primary school and seeing
Speaker 2: what they're taught and the concerns in regards to the
Speaker 2: national curriculum, as well as seeing our teachers in need
Speaker 2: of help and wanting support in trying to port our
Speaker 2: children as well. So for us and here in Tasmania,
Speaker 2: fifty percent of our children leave school being illiterate. Now
Speaker 2: there's a number of reasons contributing to why that be,
Speaker 2: but that is a huge problem. And if you think
Speaker 2: about if fifty percent of them are leaving I literate,
Speaker 2: we are not setting them up for success for their
Speaker 2: future and we are not setting them up for success
Speaker 2: for the future workforce. Now you think about a fifty
Speaker 2: percent of literate, what pathway and we have the lowest
Speaker 2: uptake of students then going into university when we are
Speaker 2: an island, a state of our own that needs to
Speaker 2: be sustainable. So our critical jobs such as the health industry,
Speaker 2: or our teachers in education or engineers, those jobs we
Speaker 2: need to attract and retain and build in the state.
Speaker 2: We've got the lowest pipeline already. So then and then
Speaker 2: you think at the other end, when they're coming out
Speaker 2: of university, a lot of these jobs have university degrees,
Speaker 2: aren't doing the placements to actually learn what it's like
Speaker 2: to work in the real world, and then when they
Speaker 2: hit the workforce, they get a big shock in the
Speaker 2: face because it's not what they thought it was.
Speaker 1: Take note. This is why I say Lee Hanson she's
Speaker 1: going to be something very special. She already is, but
Speaker 1: certainly in the world of politics, right she's the one
Speaker 1: talking about it. Nobody else is more information on the
Speaker 1: One Nation website. All the best lay We'll talk to
Speaker 1: you again, Thank you, Paul, Bye bye. That's our show
Speaker 1: for tonight. We'll see a Sunday in Kowgolly