1 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to NRL three sixty rugby League from every angle 2 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: joining me again, the Great Green Tallis has bring the 3 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: journals in Paul Crawley and Dean Richie special. 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: Mention tonight bulldog. 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 3: What's that for? 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: Beautiful shirt of you or you like it? Yeah? Brings 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: out your eyes aqua aqua. 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 3: It might have a couple of lengths on your brown. 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much. Yeah, all right. Jack Whiton 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: has arrived at Emerald HQ as he fronts. 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: The judiciary to fight a potential for match band for 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: a short of charge on Toby Rudolph. James Hooper is 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: covering proceedings and hoops. 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: What's the latest, evening, brath Well. 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 4: The Bunnies are absolutely adamant that Jack Whiton did not 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 4: shoulder charge the Kronella Sharks prop forward Toby Rudolph. Now, 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 4: so far the NRL prosecutor has said this case is 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 4: going to come downunder two critical factors. Was the contact 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 4: forceful and also was it careless? Now they are also 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 4: mounting an extremely strong case that Jack did in fact 21 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 4: have his right arm tucked into his body, which would 22 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 4: constitute a Schilder Chouge South Sydney suit. Completely the opposite. 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 4: They are adamant that it was merely accidental contact. They 24 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 4: conceived that there was a fair degree of force involved. 25 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 4: Jack had planted his feet but then also managed to 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 4: get leading with his outside shoulder which led to his 27 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 4: head then coming into contact with Toby Rudolph. Now there's 28 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 4: still a lot to play out for the Bunnies. This 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 4: is critical because Jack Whiten has been named their captain 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 4: this weekend. We know they're fighting to avoid the wooden spoon. 31 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 4: They have been decimated by injuries Latrell Mitchell, Cameron Murray, 32 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 4: Codie Walker, Campbell Graham, Keon Khlam a Tungey to name 33 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 4: a few. So we'll keep you updated over the course 34 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 4: of the evening. The men who will make the decision 35 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 4: ultimately will be ex referee Greg McCallum and also the 36 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 4: Champion Coinsland State of Origin forward Bob Linda. Will keep 37 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 4: you updated over the course of the night. 38 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: Breath only Who's would try and check in a little 39 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: later on. Now, Jack Whiton does he have a chance. 40 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: He's obviously fighting, he's scoredy what do you think he'd. 41 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 5: Have a slight change because it was a head clash. 42 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 5: I don't think that the shoulder charge was that bad, 43 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 5: so I do give him a slight chance of breath. 44 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 5: I thought the grading was wrong, but they don't normally 45 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 5: change their decisions. 46 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 6: Cross. 47 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 7: I didn't think it was a shoulder charge, and the 48 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 7: moment I saw it, I thought immediately, and even the 49 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 7: commentators in the game, Kevin Waldas was there and forget 50 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 7: who the other person was, but they both thought it 51 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 7: was a head clash. So after the game I went 52 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 7: back and watched it multiple times, and I thought, when 53 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 7: you slow this tackle down, you will see that Rudolph 54 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 7: steps from his left to his right, and I reckon 55 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 7: that wrongfoot's Jack, And I reckon Jack was going in. 56 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 7: Sure you was going in and put a big shot, 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 7: but I reckon at that last moment, that's what tricked him, 58 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 7: and it was a head clash. I don't think it 59 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 7: was a shoulder charge. I think it was just a 60 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 7: good hit. Jack Whiton was trying to produce him inspire, 61 00:02:59,120 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 7: so that. 62 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: Just went wrong. 63 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 7: He's saying it's head on head, and it clearly was 64 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 7: because you can see KB Rudolph here looks like he's 65 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 7: unconscious there. But the only reason it was head on 66 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 7: head because Jack was that close trying to produce a 67 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 7: shoulder charge. So I think the shoulder charge charge will 68 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 7: stand tonight, and I think it's a real challenge for. 69 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 3: Jack to get off. 70 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 7: I saw it as a rugby league collision because of 71 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 7: the step Like you tell me if someone wrong puts 72 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 7: you like that, Like, he wasn't setting up for a 73 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 7: shoulder charge. 74 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: Now the only thing that goes against him is they 75 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: revert back to the onus is on the defender for 76 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: the safety of the attacker, you know, and it's up 77 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: to Jack to not go in so hard and careless, 78 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: because then the result may have not been this way. 79 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: Like like I'm watching it like you were and thinking, well, 80 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: that's an accident. 81 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: You know. 82 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: There was no intent to take his head off or 83 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: to make contact with his head, and it was kind 84 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: of unavoidable. But then the argument from the ennerrol again 85 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: is well it's avoidable if he doesn't go in his 86 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: hard and is careless. 87 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 7: Is that but is that a a dangerous tackle of 88 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 7: another form or is it a shoulder charge, Because again, 89 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 7: if you go back to the charge of being a 90 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 7: shoulder change, I don't think it is saying it. 91 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: Was the shoulder charge that led to the head collision, 92 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: so that's why they've got it as a shoulder charge. 93 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: Do you think you wrap his arms in? 94 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 7: Because I honestly thought he got wrong footed, then he 95 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 7: was probably planning to hit Rudolph so on Rudolph's yeah right, 96 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 7: and he got his timing was out. Jack's got a 97 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 7: duty of care too, just because charge on the charge 98 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 7: of a dangerous tackle is different to a shoulder chain. 99 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 7: It is, but if a bloke puts a late step 100 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 7: on you with some footwork, it's the duty of care 101 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 7: of the defender to alter his defensive style as well. 102 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 7: You can't just say you put a late step on me, sorry, 103 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 7: I've clugged in the melon. Doesn't work that way. So 104 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 7: you brote this story. 105 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: Belinda Sharp dropped after a fifteen to three penalty count 106 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: and six again count in sous loss. 107 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: What's the mail? 108 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: He yeah, Belinda's been demoted this week. 109 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 7: Braith was fifteen three, took Ronulla in six agains as 110 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 7: you said, and penalty count, but I don't think. 111 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: That was the specific reason. 112 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 7: There were times when perhaps the game got a little 113 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 7: too fast for perhaps she's little bit confused at times, 114 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 7: particularly around one tackle count. She won't be in the 115 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 7: bunk of this week either they've decided that she will 116 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 7: be asked and go onto the sideline as a touch judge. 117 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: So unfortunate for Belinda. 118 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 7: But look, I think maybe in the last couple of 119 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 7: weeks her form has been modest at best, and with 120 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 7: the owner all going into the finals, we really start 121 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 7: to find out who are the elite referees because we 122 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 7: got finals just around the corner. Yeah, she was clearly, 123 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 7: clearly off the pace in that game, and it was highlighted, 124 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 7: like you mentioned with the tackle count where she just 125 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 7: got it wrong. I thought it was a one sided 126 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 7: game when you watched it and you're watching the two 127 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 7: sides playing, and I know we spoke about this during Origin, 128 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 7: but a ten two penalty count and what was it? 129 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 7: Was it a one six again restart? It was just 130 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 7: it was that. 131 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 5: They're consistent because Blinda, you know, she is trying it. 132 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 5: But just of course if any other referee struggles like that, 133 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 5: they get the same gear. 134 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: It's a professional game. 135 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 8: It's a professional game. 136 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 5: I totally agree, because the Titans thought they were probably 137 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 5: a little bit hard done by the week before it. 138 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: Like as well, watching the game, I thought the Bunnies 139 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: were hard done by with the officiating, and this was 140 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: one instance that you thought they got it wrong. 141 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 7: You tell me, you tell me when you're looking at this. 142 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 7: Does he bubble that or not? It's and is there 143 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 7: a hand from south? So on it? 144 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: It was a contentious one. 145 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: I remember watching this and the only thing that swayed 146 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: me a little bit was. 147 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: That they awarded a try. 148 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: And I'm looking, am I convinced one hundred to knock one? 149 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: Does his arm come off the ball completely? 150 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: I was a bit. I wasn't sure that was my take. 151 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: I don't know what did you think? 152 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: At a fair crack at it? Breath? This wasn't Blinda sharp. 153 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 7: She awarded the try but the bunker obviously made the 154 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 7: final ruling there. 155 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 3: Look, there is separation there. 156 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 8: The bunker ruled it. But does that not look like 157 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 8: a not. 158 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 3: You let me finish. 159 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 7: I'll say, I think there is separation there. But under 160 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 7: the current rules, does he lose total control? Is there 161 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 7: some part of his body on the ball? Both ways? 162 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 7: It both ways? 163 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: Is the rule? 164 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 6: You don't need control, you only need downward pressure. 165 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 8: Seration is what they said. 166 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 5: Correct separation, But it looked like that he's probably regained 167 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 5: it a little bit. 168 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 7: I think they argue both ways with some con If 169 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 7: you had bloody the. 170 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 5: NRL, that's a fifty to fifty. If you're a South 171 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 5: ven you say. If you're a Sharks fan, you say 172 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 5: to try. 173 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: The NRL said that he remained in control of the 174 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: ball and there was no separation. 175 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 8: Yeah, come on, for all time. There's no question he bobbed. 176 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: There is a bobble in there, but we could argue 177 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: or not. 178 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: Jerome Hughes has turned his back on millions from incoming 179 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: expansion teams, doing a four year extension at the Storm. 180 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: The Superstar half says it was never about the money. 181 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 9: Super excited and yes, grateful to have the opportunity to 182 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 9: stay here for a couple more years and here to 183 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 9: finally get it done. It's you know, I guess it's 184 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 9: been in the works for a little while. 185 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 3: Now. 186 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,559 Speaker 9: Now that I've resigned, I'll definitely be in the ears 187 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 9: of those blokes to resign. I think Harry's off soon, 188 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 9: and I think Perhaps is off soon as well. Monks 189 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 9: has got a couple more years, but there's always going 190 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 9: to be rumors about that sort of stuff, and you know, 191 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 9: I hope, I hope that's not the case. I'm you know, personally, 192 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 9: I think it's all rumors, but you don't worry. I'll 193 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 9: get into his end and make sure he doesn't go 194 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 9: anywhere for Jonah. And you know the type of player 195 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 9: he is, he could you know, walk into you know, 196 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 9: mostly narrow clubs and be the starting half back there. 197 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 3: So like you said, there might be a clause. 198 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 9: In his contract to go elsewhere and a tough one 199 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 9: for Jonah. And I'm sure you know himself as family 200 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 9: and his management will sort something out. 201 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 2: A huge announcement and a great signing for the Melbourne Storm. 202 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: Jerome Hugh's inking. 203 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: Another deal with the club, which you know he he's 204 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: been exceptional for them for a long time and he's 205 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: probably been at his best the last few years. So 206 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: no surprise that the Melbourne Storm have kept him well. 207 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 6: And it's true to what they do, don't they. 208 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 5: They sort of rely on their spine, you know, and 209 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 5: they pay them a lot of money and then they 210 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 5: sort of get the rest of the guys off the 211 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 5: scrap heap without disrespect. And Jerome's the first piece of 212 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 5: the puzzle, and Harry and Munster and perhaps would be 213 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 5: the next ones that you think that they'd want to. 214 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 3: Keep great kicking game, but his running game? 215 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 7: Is it a better running half back in then a 216 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 7: rule you could probably argue no, if. 217 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 3: You really broke it down. 218 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 7: Look, I think it's a great achievement for Jerome Hughes. 219 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 7: But what about Craig Bellamy's contribution here. He's taken another 220 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 7: fullback as he did with Cooper Kronk and turned him 221 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 7: into the best half back in rugby. 222 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 6: How many players you reckon? He's made millionaires? Oh? 223 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: Dozens? 224 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I agree. 225 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 7: I agree with what Dog says from Bellamy. Like one 226 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 7: game at the Titans, one game at the Cowboys, he 227 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 7: goes to Melbourne, there was what three or four blakes 228 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 7: lining up for the fullback position at that point of 229 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 7: his career. He turns him into a halfback. The patience 230 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 7: that they've they've shown along the way, and it's just 231 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 7: great coaching. It's a great system. And look they've done 232 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 7: it with Cameron Munster. They do it with every bloke 233 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 7: that comes there and they make him into these multimillion 234 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 7: dollar players. 235 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 8: But it's the system that does it for them. 236 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 7: That's not about money, well everyone, because general it is 237 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 7: about money. Well, and you know what good luck to 238 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 7: them are getting the money, but it's not about somewhere else. 239 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 3: Would be very handsomely paid him. I'm not being critical. 240 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 7: I just wonder why every unerall player feels it his 241 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 7: obligation to say I'm not going or staying for the money. 242 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: It is about the money, and good. 243 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 7: Luck to them. 244 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 5: Okay, it's about the money because of the money. It's 245 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 5: because of your talent. What about Jerome? He spoke about 246 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 5: Peasant so that there may be a clause to get 247 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 5: out here. 248 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,479 Speaker 1: So Jonah he signed a long term deal with Melbourne, 249 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: which the club put it on the faith and us 250 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: in him, and Jona has done the same. Because Joan 251 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: is ready, he's ready for first grade. And we put 252 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: a clause in there that if Jerome resigned, because we 253 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: weren't sure if Jerome was going to stay on or 254 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: night at that point, because there's a lot of rumors 255 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: about him going to either Perth or Gold Coast at 256 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: one point and all that, and because I think and 257 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: we think that Janah is ready to be a full 258 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: time first grade seven, I put a clause in that 259 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: if Jerome re signs, he's off contract. So we're going 260 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: to catch up with Melbourne over the next a week 261 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: or so and discuss that. I know that Melbourne love him, 262 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: and I'm not so sure they want to let him go. 263 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: So it's just whether we can work that out so 264 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: that he can stay or even a possibility of alone 265 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: next year for the year and then come back like 266 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: Harry did with West Tigers. So there's a bit to 267 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: play out there, but that's how it sits right now. 268 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 7: It's interesting time though, for his career, isn't it Like 269 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 7: he's twenty two years of age. For at least three 270 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 7: years people have been describing him as the next big 271 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 7: thing and he just hasn't had an opportunity, through injury 272 00:11:58,720 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 7: or the players in front. 273 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 8: Of him to get that chance or not. 274 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 7: I kind of you look at a guy like Ethan 275 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 7: Strange when he was when he was in the Roosters 276 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 7: system and no one really knew about him. He took 277 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 7: a chance, he took a gamble, he went to Canberra. 278 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 7: I have no doubt if Ethan Strange were still at 279 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 7: the Roosters, he'd probably be struggling to play. 280 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: It's a good point you make, because there is you know, 281 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: there's only so long he can wait and be patient. 282 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: You don't want that time to go past too where you're. 283 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: In not playing against the best every week. You know, 284 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: you want to be tested. 285 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: And he has been really patient cruels, you know, but 286 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: it's time, you know, it's time for in a first 287 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: grade team, So you know, I want to give him 288 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: that opportunity. 289 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: Monster. 290 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 3: I was going to ask you a Munster. 291 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 7: I know it's difficult for you to talk about because 292 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 7: he's art manager, but it all into twines down there, 293 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 7: because Peasant's move could depend on whether Monster goes or 294 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 7: how it all comes together. 295 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: As a jigsaw puzzle. 296 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: There is a bit of a puzzle to play out. 297 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: But just on that, I mean, there's been no contact 298 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: with the Bears and we haven't spoke to Melbourne about 299 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: them letting him go either. You know, obviously I would 300 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: think the Bears would be interested because take the management 301 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: had off, and even just as a league supporter, I 302 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: think they'd be interested in most clubs, you know, like 303 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: he he'd be perfect for them to a franchise around. 304 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: But again that's really nothing until we have a conversation, 305 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: if we have a conversation with Melbourne, because Melbourne might 306 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: not be interested in even having that, and we might 307 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: not even talk to them about it, so it's all 308 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: speculation right now. But obviously it's going to be a 309 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: talking point because you know the Bears are in. They 310 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: need players, and came to be a fair player to 311 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: start the club with. Wouldn't he know he's there twenty 312 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: seven now he's got too more Ears, So that's the 313 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: whole thing. 314 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: It's really a non event right now. But who knows 315 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: down the train. 316 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 7: As Jerome said, it's not about the money, but it 317 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 7: is about the money because every team has a salary cap, 318 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 7: and when Cameron's next up, it becomes about the money 319 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 7: because he has to look after himself and do what's 320 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 7: in his best interest. The Bears would be a logical choice, 321 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 7: like what's Cameron thirty now? Two years time he's thirty two, 322 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 7: he's had an opportunity to win a couple more console 323 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 7: or put himself in that position. But ultimately the Bears 324 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 7: do need a big, a big player like him to 325 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 7: go over there and be. 326 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 8: The head of of course they're going to have interesting 327 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 8: he'd have. 328 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 7: To get a year early release though CRUs of the 329 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 7: Bears twenty seven and the Bears are in in twenty seven, 330 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 7: so he'd met the Melbourne stim that first year the Bears. 331 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 7: I spoke to people in and around Melbourne today and 332 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 7: they were saying, there's absolutely no appetite whatsoever. 333 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: To let him go. 334 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 3: Well you would, I mean, he's Cameron Munster. Why would 335 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 3: you let him go early? 336 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 7: Unless, of course you know as we know Broth will 337 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 7: you know as being a manager. Circumstances changed very quickly 338 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 7: in ruguar League. 339 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: All right now reports Ryan Papanhaw hasn't met with Rugby 340 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: Lee three to sixty. 341 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: They've stolen our name their bosses. What do we make 342 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: of this? 343 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: This is starting to pick up a bit of momentum. 344 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: This what is it? 345 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 7: The course yesterday I ran a few managers. There's a 346 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 7: lot of skep. This isn't out there as to whether 347 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 7: it will actually come off. But the more the time 348 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 7: goes on you start to feel that the tentacles are 349 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 7: getting into rugby league. I don't think it'll be a 350 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 7: mass exodus out of the game. The one advantage I 351 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 7: understand is that they are offering US dollars and it 352 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 7: could be well over a million dollars, so that becomes 353 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 7: two million dollars a century with the dollar exchange. 354 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 5: Do you think they'd get the fringe players, wouldn't you 355 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 5: They wouldn't go after the big guys. 356 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 8: If it is what it is, Yes, sixtens won't be 357 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 8: a problem. 358 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 7: A problem, so you would go after the better players, 359 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 7: and like from a rugby league perspective, it's probably it's 360 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 7: not the biggest problem in the world because there's so 361 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 7: much talent out there. However, the names that have been 362 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 7: mentioned so far Uponga Pappenhouse and they target. Their target 363 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 7: is the superstars, which would be the concern for the game. 364 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 5: It's not the first time with Gwendel and Lottie, Matt Rogers, Sonnybille, 365 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 5: William sam Burgess. We've lost through Israel, Philoo and Carmichael 366 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 5: Hunt to why a fellow games lost some really big 367 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,359 Speaker 5: name but we've just right now it's the highest. 368 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: Raving we disrespect to Ryan paper Howson or even Kalen. 369 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: If one of them were to go, our game wouldn't suffer. 370 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: It'd only be if it was a handful or quite 371 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: a ten fifteen players, yeah, anything over five, but if 372 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: it's only one or two here or there, I don't 373 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: think it would. I'm the question I want to ask 374 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: if I was the r I would try and do this, 375 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if they're allowed, but if they went, 376 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: any player that went, could you say if you leave, 377 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: you can't come back? 378 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 7: Or is that I think legally you could say you 379 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 7: cannot come back to our game. That would be up 380 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 7: to the clubs or be at the eneral would have 381 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 7: to register the contract. I don't think you would be 382 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 7: able to lawfully say you cannot play in our game 383 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 7: because you've gone to a rival code. 384 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 8: They could if they break a contract correct like that? 385 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: That would they go after their contract? 386 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 8: They would be legal if. 387 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 7: They went in the contract, you couldn't stop them coming 388 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 7: back both. You're right though, like Sunny Bills never going 389 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 7: to play. 390 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 8: We lost Shawali, has the game suffered? Has the rooster? 391 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 7: Some year they've lost a good player, But Robert Toyer 392 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 7: comes along, you know, Marky Mark comes along like jump 393 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 7: out of the ground. Every year that's game for years, 394 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 7: break there and you know what, we're always replaced because 395 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 7: it's got the best systems theft pathways in international football. 396 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 7: And from this R three sixty point of view too 397 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 7: that their main targets are going to be the European 398 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 7: rugby players, aren't they from England. 399 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 8: The people over there that what do you want? 400 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,479 Speaker 6: Right, So they're the fans that you want. Who are 401 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:28,239 Speaker 6: you going to play for? 402 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 5: It's really hard when you watch them to fall in 403 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 5: love with their side that you're not going to know 404 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 5: too much about. 405 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 8: Have a couple of novels. He players. Yeah, but that's 406 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 8: what that's what it's even. 407 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: Like they live goals like that, they've they've done what 408 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: they've done over there, and it just doesn't compare to 409 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: the PGA. 410 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: To it like they've made their millions in. 411 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: Good luck to them and say with perhaps and those 412 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: guys if they want to go, but it's it's what 413 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: legacy you want to leave too? Like you look at them, 414 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: all the majors, and it's the PGA too. 415 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: They live, guys of a lot of them are falling. 416 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: Off a cliff, you know, and they've got their money 417 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: and they set up for life. 418 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: But what legacy do you want to leave? Why do 419 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: you play the game? You know what? 420 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of players don't just you know, I 421 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: know the money is important, but they play for grand finals. 422 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: They play it for achieving success and leaving a legacy 423 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: in whatever sport they play. 424 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: It's just whatever you. 425 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 7: You've been brutally honest too, like you push, what is 426 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 7: at the end of next year that this competition is 427 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 7: September potentially starting. But then Melbourne's got a guy like 428 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 7: so far ago who he's ready to go and how 429 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 7: much longer can you hold him back? And also, rugby 430 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 7: league salary cap will more than likely increase with the 431 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 7: next TV deal. 432 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: It could go twelve to fifteen million. So the money 433 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 3: is in rugby league. 434 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 7: So if the Saundis want to come in, sure they 435 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 7: let more money than what we do. But if they're 436 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 7: offering one point five, he'll get that to you. 437 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: Just get that with the jury cap with a new broadcast. 438 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 3: I don't do it for money, mate, Okay, you. 439 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 6: Would have brought some new clothes shirt, I'll have you know. 440 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 7: This is Pierre Cardin for the lower I think it 441 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 7: says low Ben Hunt isn't. 442 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: Ben Hunt isn't concerned after the weekends lost, but a 443 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: midst the Broncos still. 444 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: Have a lot of work, have a lot of work 445 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: to do. 446 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 10: I think we're in a pretty good position really, I 447 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 10: know where everyone wants to get into the top four. 448 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,959 Speaker 10: But you know, we're still working out a few things 449 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 10: about ourselves. I've only been back for two weeks. We've 450 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 10: only had one week really with our full side together. 451 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 10: And the thing is with recent he's just an ultimate competitor. 452 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 10: When things are going right for a team, he feels like, yes, 453 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 10: a step up and they just staying in his role. 454 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 10: And yes he's overplays his hand now and then, but 455 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 10: that's it's come from a good place. I wanted to 456 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 10: win and do what's right for the team. I think 457 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 10: he'll be a right the big follow. You know, he's 458 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 10: trained with us this week so far and I think 459 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 10: he's got a bit of a bump on his leg 460 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 10: and you'll be wrong r Rees Walsh. 461 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: I love the way that he plays. He's got so 462 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: much X factor and he's a star game. But you 463 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: know Ben Hunt mentioned there that he. 464 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: Kind of overplayed his hand a little bit the other night. 465 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: How do you go? I see this. 466 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 5: He did a couple of vaccasions. But that's the way 467 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 5: he's played. Obviously, with the more experience he he gets, 468 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 5: he just wants to score for every play right, and 469 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 5: you've got to love that. You don't want to coach 470 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 5: it out of him, but he's just got to pick 471 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 5: his time and place and watching him in the last 472 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 5: couple of weeks. I watched the Broncos closely, and if 473 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 5: he didn't play some of those games, they wouldn't have won. 474 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 7: He turned their season around when he returned from injury, 475 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 7: no question in the world. But then last weekend that 476 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 7: performance and all the great players always say you've got 477 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 7: to limit the difference between your best and your worst. 478 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 7: And with rece it's not even from game to game, 479 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 7: it's from moment to moment. Yes, and he's at that 480 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 7: stage now where he's twenty three years of age. I 481 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 7: think he's played close to ninety NRL games already, and 482 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 7: he owes it to the team to try and pull 483 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 7: back on moments where some of those bullet passes or 484 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 7: different things like I agree totally with what you say, 485 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 7: because his magic is what brought them to life this year. 486 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 7: But Gordy, if there to be a hope of winning 487 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 7: the comp this year or next year, Reese does have 488 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 7: to grow up a bit. 489 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 2: But Crawls. 490 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 7: He's an entertainer. I said today, he's like a David Warner. 491 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 7: He lit one hundred sixty odd balls, but he might 492 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 7: nick the next one. That's just what you're going to 493 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 7: get you can't lord him one. 494 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: Beak for being spectacular, the great, the great. 495 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 7: When he's at that age now where it's probably time 496 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 7: for him to try and get some of those mistakes 497 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 7: out of his. 498 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 2: Gym with Bright it's a natural progression. Like Billy slated. 499 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: He there is in his game, and he kind of 500 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: threw the pass a little bit too often when he 501 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't have and played low percentage footy and then all 502 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: of a sudden he just put it all together over time, 503 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: matured into one of the greatest fullbacks to see. 504 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: It happens like it's part even in halves. Look at Galvin. 505 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: You know he's biggest We said last night was overplaying 506 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: his hand. He goes out on the weekend. You can 507 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: tell he pulled it back a lot. And you know, 508 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: you still want to see all these brands, but you know, 509 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: and you don't take it away from him. But it's 510 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: up to him and just you know, his maturity, his 511 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: progression to change. 512 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 7: Now, if Madge sucks the spirit of that kid by 513 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 7: saying all back, I think it could ruin his career. 514 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 8: I don't think. 515 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 7: I don't think it's necessarily Again, it's maturing dog. 516 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 8: It's like and I think I think it's twenty three. 517 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 8: It's time that he can well. 518 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: Mag has had something to say about the way in 519 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: which they play. We have shown we are tough enough. 520 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: We've beaten the Bulldogs twice. We were trying to go 521 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: around Para and passing to go around them rather than 522 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: playing through them. 523 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: You can't play too cute in the NFL. You have 524 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 2: to earn the right. 525 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 5: No, they're all that's one hundred percent. You've always got 526 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 5: to earn the right in rugby league. The Dogs aren't 527 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 5: the top of the tree. I think they're real challenges 528 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 5: against Melbourne in the next couple of weeks because that's 529 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 5: probably going to be the benchmark. You'd say Melbourne and Penrith, 530 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 5: so it's how they go against those guys. But they're 531 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 5: lacking in the fourth I said that earlier, and Pain 532 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 5: has is injured at the moment, so without Pain going 533 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 5: through the middle, they're probably one real big guy short 534 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 5: in the middle. That's probably why they can't get That. 535 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 7: Was a critical loss on the weekend too, because when 536 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 7: you put it in perspective, it put some four points 537 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 7: still behind the Warriors, doesn't it. So you're running out 538 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 7: of rounds to pick up those points. Now the Panthers 539 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 7: have dropped jumped ahead of them. That could be season 540 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 7: defining in the fact that that ends in their top 541 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 7: four hopes. 542 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 3: It wasn't just that one game. 543 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 7: I think you could probably go back to the start 544 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 7: of the season where they might have lost there. 545 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 3: They won five in a row. I don't think we 546 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: shoul jump all over them right now. 547 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 7: Losing wont to go to Paramatta in a tight one. 548 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 7: But yeah, Cruls, you are right. The top four spot 549 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 7: might be just a mountain two high to climb right now. 550 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: The boys were divided last night about paying Hers and 551 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 1: whether he should be rested. 552 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 2: Do you guys have an opinion on this? 553 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 7: One hundred percent. He looks like he needs a rest 554 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 7: before the game. There was that vision for weeks now. 555 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 7: We've spoken about this. I think that you know, like 556 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 7: we've spoken previously about the fact that Madge he flogs them. 557 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 8: He flogs his. 558 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 7: Players, he works them hard. He did it at souths, 559 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 7: He's done it everywhere he's been. And he's got to 560 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 7: take that into consideration right now because he's digging his 561 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 7: heels in over this and he's saying there's nothing wrong 562 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 7: with pain. We're going to keep playing there is What 563 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 7: do you spoke about it? 564 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 5: I always say, I always say because it's a totally 565 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 5: different area than when I played. But when someone gets ahead, 566 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 5: clash father and son. Real if that's your son, would 567 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 5: you make him play? And that's the way And I 568 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 5: think Pain watching him play the way he's played the 569 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 5: last five years, he's been and everything, and he's done 570 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,719 Speaker 5: a lot. And if they can't afford to give him 571 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 5: two weeks off, they're get himself right and find out 572 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 5: his problem. 573 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 6: They're not going to go deep into the finals. 574 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 5: So if he keeps on limp and off and getting 575 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 5: injections or whatever he's getting and can't get through the session, 576 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 5: Brisbane has no chance. 577 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 2: So they got to bite the bullet. 578 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,719 Speaker 5: Now give him a rest, because if he's firing at 579 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 5: the end of the year, they're a chance. 580 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 3: I spoke to painhearse in Origin camp. 581 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 7: He said he hasn't been right since round one, but 582 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 7: he doesn't require surgery, so he said it'd be a 583 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 7: long rehab that would get him fixed. So having one 584 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 7: week off in round twenty two, I don't think it's 585 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 7: going to fix the problem one week. He'd have to 586 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 7: have three or four off, and I don't think they 587 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 7: can afford to do that right now, give them we're 588 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 7: so close to the finals. The point I'm trying to 589 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 7: make is one week, as you guys suggesting, won't help 590 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 7: nor fix. 591 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 8: There's also an emotional rest too. 592 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 7: Like Buzz made the mention last night, I thought it 593 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 7: was a really good point about the Panthers, Like, did 594 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 7: I even. 595 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 8: Really want to rest them? Or did he do it 596 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 8: because it was in their best interest? 597 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 7: When his players came back for Origin and Melbourne have 598 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 7: done that in the past, and you say, okay, well 599 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 7: they need pain out there to make the fall. 600 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 6: He's grown as hamstring and he's out for six weeks. 601 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 8: He's having the finals. If he's not. 602 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: At anyone can get injured. 603 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 7: Look, the Panthers rested their players, and good luck to Ivan, 604 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,719 Speaker 7: but that's probably because a week did them. 605 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 3: The world are good. 606 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 7: I don't think pay Hars's lower back problem is going 607 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 7: to mend with a week out. 608 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: Well look, how good God he's come back after a. 609 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 5: Week two week off, dog, I think you need look 610 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 5: a million bucks, you need a month of beauty sleep. 611 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a look at the ins throughout 612 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: twenty two. The sports bed for Doggies, copying it year tonight. 613 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: All right, that's how to look. 614 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: Papenhausen returns and wish out to seven with na Jerome 615 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: Hughes for Melbourne Storm, Cobbo to make his enteral return 616 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: for the Bronx. Dodd and Monroe both drop for the Bunnies. 617 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: The Dragons. Halves remain unchanged and Buller returns at fullback 618 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: for the Tigers, but Flanno resists making change in the 619 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: halves despite their losses. 620 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 7: Can I ask a question, does Carle Flanagan cop a 621 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 7: whack every week because of his ability or because he. 622 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 3: Is the son of the coach Gordon both? 623 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: I'd say both. 624 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 3: What can lachless Lachlan bring them? 625 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 5: So in the last ten years, anytime you side loses 626 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 5: you always blame the halves or your spine. That's one 627 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 5: of them, and his dad's the coach and he's had 628 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 5: a crack at other clubs and hasn't quite made it, 629 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 5: so that's pretty much it fairly targeted. I'd say no 630 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 5: at times with fans, but that's the NRL. If Luke 631 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 5: Brooks's dad coached, what was happening there? Everybody polled on 632 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 5: that poor kid. It just happens. 633 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 7: I would argue if Flano wasn't the coach, I don't 634 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 7: think Cole would still be in the team because you've 635 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 7: got to own up to the fact that like he 636 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 7: tries his guts out. No one ever accuses him of 637 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 7: not trying his guts out. But he's kicking game hasn't 638 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 7: been great. His game management hasn't been great. He doesn't 639 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 7: pose a great attacking threat. You've got Lachlan Ilius, who 640 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 7: Shane Flanagan brought to the club. He brought him to 641 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 7: the club to play halfback. He got dropped because of 642 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 7: his game management. He went back and he did what 643 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 7: he had to do. They've lost their last four games 644 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 7: and Flano's dug his heels in and he's not going 645 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 7: to change. 646 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 8: He's just not going to change. But that is that 647 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 8: because Cole's his son. 648 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 7: Because Cole is just a player that he really believes 649 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 7: he's playing to the best of his ability and Lockie 650 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 7: can't come in and do something better. 651 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 3: Can I ask you how Lachlan's going emotionally and form wise. 652 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: That's a tough one. That's a tough one to ask. 653 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 5: Put me on the spece you'd be struggling, right, So 654 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 5: if you put back and reserve, I can't win. 655 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: On you because you ask me that question, and then 656 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: you know, Shane and the Dragons will think I'm having 657 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: a crack. But if you want my honest opinion that 658 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: he's been, he's gone back and did everything he's asked on. 659 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: You know, they won ten out of eleven games, you know, 660 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 1: and then pretty much because they lost one on the weekend. 661 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: That's why he's not playing this week. 662 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: But that you know, I don't cop that because you 663 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: know I've sat pretty quiet here and you know that's 664 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: because I don't want to get. 665 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 2: Involved because it's pretty hard for me. 666 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,959 Speaker 1: But he couldn't do anymore, and unfortunately for him, I'm 667 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: trying to keep him up because he's losing hope. And 668 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure the other kid there is, Glover is as well. 669 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: But it's very rare, right that a USFRS Cup team 670 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: wins ten out of eleven and the first grade team 671 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: continues to lose. And a lot of it's based around 672 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: game management and defense in those positions, which I've watched 673 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: over the past few weeks, and there's no changes. 674 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: So what hope do you have? And you know, I 675 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: could we speak. Maybe I shouldn't say this because but 676 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: I had to, because. 677 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 8: That's how There's another layer to that too. 678 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 7: There's another layer to the story in the fact that 679 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 7: you know, the Dragons senior management has come out in 680 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 7: recent weeks and said that they're chasing. 681 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 8: A top line number seven. Well, you'd have to question. 682 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 7: Of the young guys coming through, would you want to 683 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 7: send a young seven like say Peasant as an example, 684 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 7: would you want to send him too? The Dragons knowing that, mate, 685 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 7: there's every chance Cole stays at seven. You know, they've 686 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 7: shown no trust in the bloke that they brought last 687 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 7: year to play seven. So I think it's doing the 688 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 7: club DAMMI And they might not want to admit it, 689 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 7: but it's the truth 690 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: All right, Thank you, Journals stick around Tonight, following an 691 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: L three sixty, one of the game's greats regular sits 692 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: down with Jake juke On face to face