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Speaker 1: The big footy issues from every angle, dissected by a

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Speaker 1: you are around the planet. This is your ultimate guide

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Speaker 1: to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: It is the most glorious time of the year for

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Speaker 2: footy fans, and it looks particularly glorious in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: For you could mount a case for why all eight

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Speaker 2: finalists can and can't win the flag this season, So

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Speaker 2: which teams are best and worst placed heading into September

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Speaker 2: will have a Finals power ranking special. But of course,

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Speaker 2: the hype around Silly season is already reasonably large, and

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Speaker 2: there's a chance this one could be the silliest in

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Speaker 2: several years, with many big names now very much on

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Speaker 2: the trade radar. We'll discuss all that, plus dive into

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Speaker 2: the big footy topics in phar or fast the mailbag

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Speaker 2: Here the latest historical wisdom from Kevin Sheedy and of

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Speaker 2: course have the expert tips for you on the Fox

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Speaker 2: Footy Podcast. Ben Waterworth with you as is the commissioner.

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Speaker 2: Fresh off another blockbus the NFL Fantasy Draft Night, Max Lawton, Hello, MAXI.

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Speaker 3: Benef for two fantasy drafts in twenty four hours. I've

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Speaker 3: just got Christian McCaffrey and random running back sleepers running

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Speaker 2: Walked out of last night's NFL draft glass half empty.

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Speaker 3: I would say, no, you know, not thrilled with my work,

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Speaker 3: but you know it's about player development as well as

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Speaker 3: the draft. Yes, and I'll just be offering a se

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to and sure you'll keep us all abreast

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Speaker 2: on the Fox Footy podcast.

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Speaker 3: Everyone cares about everyone else's fantasy teams. It's everyone's favorite.

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Speaker 3: It's like talking about dreams you had.

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Speaker 4: It's great.

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Speaker 2: It's like talking about when non runners go into a

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Speaker 2: running conversation.

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Speaker 3: Was such a good time.

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Speaker 2: Also joining us on the verge of his most favorite

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Speaker 2: time of the year, the return of the Sheffield Chield

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Speaker 2: and One Day Cup series. Will Forkner, Hello.

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Speaker 4: Fork, Hello Ben, Hello Max. It's yeah, I guess okayre's

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Speaker 4: that time of year weeks away. Yes, yes, it's Christmas.

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Speaker 3: That's what they state versus state, mate versus mate. That's

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Speaker 3: what they say right about the Sheffield Shield.

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Speaker 4: That is what they say.

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Speaker 2: Who's going to win the one Day Cup.

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Speaker 3: This year, I will call something else.

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Speaker 4: Named after someone the marsh one day.

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Speaker 2: It could be the Marsh was the Marshaffield is bad

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Speaker 4: I'm not giving them trophy, of course, Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Victoria has some good use. I reckon that'll be good.

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Speaker 2: think it's more specifically looking at the AFL right now, Max,

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Speaker 2: And because it is finals time and you've put together

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Speaker 2: power rankings, right, how difficult was this?

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Speaker 3: It seems to happen when they win a flag they

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Speaker 4: For yes, I think that will be the Grand Final.

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Speaker 2: Any alarm bells though, the fact that the Lions overall

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Speaker 3: I feel like I trust Collingwood more than a lot

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Speaker 3: they would not be fourth. They would be in an

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't happen. So the Crows just feel to me,

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Speaker 4: The draw, much harder.

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Speaker 3: Because you lose, you're getting Hawthorne AJWS, much scarier proposition

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Speaker 2: That and in your power rankings you've got Hawthorne fifth

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Speaker 3: So that game to me, Hawks Giants is a coin flip.

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Speaker 3: you almost don't take it into account. If they get

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Speaker 2: And the fact that if it's an Adelaide Hawthorne semifinal

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Speaker 3: Ago exactly, and we'll be back in a semi final

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Speaker 3: Adelaide Oval. They know that environment incredibly well. They just

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Speaker 3: Giants have the potential to be, on their day, be

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Speaker 3: It's just that they have not shown the consistency to

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Speaker 3: So it's why I can't trust them completely. Though they

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Speaker 2: Of the year.

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Speaker 4: Is there a world been where we see one of

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Speaker 2: So the winner would take on the loser of Geelong

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Speaker 3: The only one I could see is gold Coast beating Brisbane.

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Speaker 4: Yes, if we get.

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Speaker 3: A pineapple grapple in the semifinals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and they fund them a few a few

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Speaker 2: weeks ago. Absolutely, But traditionally Brisbane have had the wood

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's always going to feel harsh whatever the

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Speaker 3: verdict comes down on Fremantle is because either we're talking

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Speaker 3: happy as a dock is Fann because you're going to

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Speaker 3: believes in us. We can buy into that, all that

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Speaker 3: doubt and maybe that can inspire us to something. But

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Speaker 3: I just the percentage, all of those factors for the Dockers,

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Speaker 3: thing that I have to mention is that they got

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Speaker 2: I think in the middle. They also beat the free Man.

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Speaker 3: So that's the difference with I'd count out what Freemantle

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Speaker 2: So on that pressure gauge, Collingwood was number one. That's

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Speaker 4: I think it's fair as I was saying that Jack

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Speaker 4: but Penury and side Bottom just aren't going to be

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Speaker 4: they're no certainty to be around next year and they've

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Speaker 4: it's the depth that they lose and they haven't had

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Speaker 4: So if we're looking, I guess broadly speaking, is a pass.

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Speaker 4: So it's a Premiership for Collingwood as their past market, it's.

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Speaker 3: The oldest team in footy history before this year's Collingwood

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Speaker 4: They had to do some pretty fair recruiting after that

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Speaker 3: Now completely reshape their midfield bringing Bailey Smith turned into

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Speaker 2: Well, it's probably a good segue into the other side

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Speaker 2: It feels like, and Tommy Morris said this on Seen

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Speaker 2: how desperate Charlie Cerno is to get out of Carlton.

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Speaker 2: Initially Tom broke the story about the potential openness to

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Speaker 2: as well. Marc Voss very good in his interview on

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Speaker 4: I think Voss spoke really well from what I heard

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Speaker 4: then again speaks to a new level as to how

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Speaker 2: Yes, she was pretty blunt without reporting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's a hard place to come

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Speaker 4: But you know how, they have all the power. If

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Speaker 4: power to make this a trade that if Charlie leaves,

437
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,840
Speaker 4: they get a hell of a hell of a lot

438
00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,879
Speaker 4: back for him. And it's going to be a contendent's

439
00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,959
Speaker 4: in the now who's going to get him? Geelong Sydney

440
00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,320
Speaker 4: I think would probably still like to think they're in

441
00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,600
Speaker 4: the now in Gold Coast, So will they will pay

442
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,720
Speaker 4: overs for him opposed to a lesser club who might

443
00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,399
Speaker 4: still be building for the next few years and wouldn't

444
00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,840
Speaker 4: be willing to give up that much capital for him.

445
00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,480
Speaker 2: Thing is, though, Max, it's very hard if it is Sydney,

446
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,920
Speaker 2: It's very hard to think of the players that would

447
00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,280
Speaker 2: come back really sickly to Carlton. It feels like this

448
00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,639
Speaker 2: is going to be a dare I say it, mega trade,

449
00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,160
Speaker 2: multiple clubs trade.

450
00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,280
Speaker 3: Radio is going to come up with twelve different ideas

451
00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,679
Speaker 3: every day. This feels like Petrarca last year, right. This

452
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,960
Speaker 3: feels like if it could happen, it would, but it can't.

453
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,120
Speaker 2: Is it a bit more?

454
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,680
Speaker 3: Is it a bit more that I've probably more likely

455
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,480
Speaker 3: to happen than that was because of the contract size

456
00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,800
Speaker 3: and because of not really with Carlton. They're in a

457
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,760
Speaker 3: similar position to Melbourne, where they were on the bubble

458
00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,800
Speaker 3: of are we going to contend next year or not?

459
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,000
Speaker 2: I did the sense I get just from the reporting

460
00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,800
Speaker 2: last night. If you compare it to Christian Petrarca, who

461
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,720
Speaker 2: clearly wanted to get out of Melbourne, it didn't feel

462
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 2: like Melbourne was ready to give up on Petrarca. But now,

463
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,280
Speaker 2: just in recent days, it feels like, yeah, if the

464
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,760
Speaker 2: deal's right for Carlton, they might entertain it.

465
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,119
Speaker 3: Despite the fact that Michael Voss said on radio specifically

466
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:36,880
Speaker 3: we will not trade.

467
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but here's the.

468
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 3: Thing that's a bargeting position.

469
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

470
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,960
Speaker 3: Right, anytime you hear any club say anything, keep in

471
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 3: mind they are posturing from what is happening behind the scenes,

472
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,040
Speaker 3: because we never know the full story with what they're

473
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,119
Speaker 3: saying publicly. So he would say that, and maybe Michael

474
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,199
Speaker 3: Voss truly believes that because he thinks that if they

475
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 3: trade Kerono, he's not going to be there in twenty

476
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 3: twenty seven because he wants to try and be contending

477
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 3: next year. But it's not in the end his decision

478
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 3: to make. It's the list management teams to make, is

479
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 3: it not?

480
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 4: And there are only one or two players from Sydney

481
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 4: that you say yes too if you're Carlton, is it

482
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 4: Gordon Heney Warner full stop?

483
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

484
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 4: Probably, which I don't think they're all locked in long

485
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 4: term Warner short term? Sorry, yes, end of twenty twenty seven.

486
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,320
Speaker 3: I think that doesn't make sense for Carlton because then

487
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 3: he's going to try and go back to w AA

488
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 3: at the end of that day anyway, which suspect.

489
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 4: Gordon's one that's been flowing around the most and Sydney

490
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 4: seems very hard and fast on keeping him.

491
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 2: So potentially Charlie Kerner out. We know tom Da Coney

492
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 2: has requested to go to Saint Kilda. Jack Sylvanney also

493
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 2: wants out. Carlton has essentially told Elijah Hollins to assess

494
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 2: your options as well. It feels like a very busy

495
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 2: few months coming up for the Baggers.

496
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, very busy next months for nick Cos and their

497
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 4: list manager. I mean look to Cone's gone, Sylvanni's gone.

498
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 2: Where too is for Sylvanney.

499
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 4: I've been There's been a lot of noise around Saint Kilda.

500
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 4: There's been going around for a couple of weeks and

501
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 4: that's sort of come to fruition the last seven days.

502
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 4: They're willing to pay him a fair bit on a

503
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 4: good lick for five years. I think the dogs in

504
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 4: Collingwood initially felt like they're in a good position because

505
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 4: they were first at the table. But there's an obvious

506
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 4: alignment between Jack's father, Steven, being the list matter at

507
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 4: Saint Kilda. And that's not to say that he's only

508
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,239
Speaker 4: being off of this contract because his dad works there

509
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 4: and I believe he's removed from that process. But yeah,

510
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 4: there's a fair bit of confidence at Saint Kilda that

511
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,719
Speaker 4: they can get him. Elijah Hollins, I'm not too sure

512
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 4: that's only come out very recently, but yeah, Calm seems

513
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 4: to be quite keen in none certain terms to have

514
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 4: him explored omptions and maybe not be icon Park next year.

515
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 3: This could work out great for them, couldn't it. If

516
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 3: Sylvannie's getting five years around eight hundred.

517
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: Could be a good compo.

518
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 3: That sounds like for first round pick compo to me,

519
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 3: or at least close. He's twenty eight in December, so

520
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 3: you can question whether Saint Kila should be paying a

521
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 3: thirty two to thirty three year old Jack Sylvanne a

522
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 3: hundred grand in a few years. But that's for them

523
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 3: to decide. I think for Carlton, you're getting at least

524
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 3: one first round pick in maybe two, So that's very,

525
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 3: very helpful in terms of rebuilding on the run, in

526
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 3: terms of matching bids in next couple of years, if

527
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 3: they don't get screwed by the AFL changing the bitting

528
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 3: system on them, which I don't know if we're talking

529
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: about that in fair or.

530
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: Fast we're not.

531
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 3: But it's crazy to me that we have introduced this

532
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 3: new points system, we haven't even used it once, and

533
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 3: they're talking about scrapping it. All right, can we try

534
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 3: it for a couple of years first. We know there

535
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 3: are problems, but let's just see if this works. Come

536
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 3: on guys like we don't need to panic.

537
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 2: So I was going to say it was from a

538
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: sein Kilda perspective to coning Sylvanney. I think he might

539
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: have talked about this last week a little bit.

540
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 4: But Flanders Flanders, ned Flanders has been thrown to.

541
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: Ned Flanders, Liam Ryan as well, and it sounds like

542
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: they've up their offer to try and keep Marcus Winderhager

543
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 2: after retaining the siwangon a miller.

544
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 4: Yes, I think that was two to four. I think

545
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 4: Tom may have reported that that's to help combat a

546
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 4: five year deal from North Melbourne, interest from GWS and

547
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 4: the D's as well. Essen. Then we're in there. But

548
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 4: I min understanding is that Winhager put that aside. I

549
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 4: think he's I don't think he's going to be in

550
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 4: Essendon next year. But yeah, I mean I've said this before.

551
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 4: Win Hagar really wants to stay at Saan Kuilda. It's

552
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 4: just it was a very much about them coming to

553
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 4: the table and I think that's going to happen, and

554
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 4: it does happen behind closed doors when you offer so

555
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 4: much money to players at rival clubs. I think the

556
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 4: people who have been loyal to the club in the

557
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 4: first few years of their career even longer than that,

558
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 4: just want to feel like the same amount of love

559
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 4: to players that have been loyal and have gone have

560
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 4: have had to go through a less than ideal drought

561
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 4: the last four or five years since their career started,

562
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 4: or even longer. They just want to look at the

563
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 4: ice cream as well. So here he'll be at san

564
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 4: Kulta if they come to the table and he's happy

565
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 4: with that deal.

566
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: Nice TPP movement that they've done here, MAXI. They seem

567
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 2: like they've signed it nicely.

568
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 3: Yes, well this is the I don't know exactly how

569
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 3: it works, but you know, we know you can bank

570
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 3: a bit of cap space. So whether it's an extra

571
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 3: five percent getting them over the top, whether they can

572
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: frontload and backload deals look like it is weird that

573
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 3: they seem to be going for everyone, but that's what

574
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 3: you have to do. And them being so aggressive, it's

575
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 3: an admirable stance for a team that clearly needs to

576
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 3: add talent like that.

577
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, they can say that they're trying and for years

578
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 4: it's been about how to have them now to get

579
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 4: a big fish, and all of a sudden then that

580
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 4: is casting three four, five different people and they just

581
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 4: can go all in. Yeah, you can't say that not

582
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 4: being aggressive and try to have a crack.

583
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 3: It's risky. It's risky. If you're paying time to Conning

584
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 3: one point seven million, he's not the best ruck in

585
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 3: the comp that's overpaying, you know, if you're paying all

586
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: of these guys, like, at some point you just got

587
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 3: to give someone some money because you've got to use

588
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 3: the cap space otherwise it's a waste. But that's the

589
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 3: risk you take. And if they end up topping out

590
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: at a what sixth or seventh best team in the camp,

591
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: then they're back where they were a few years aga.

592
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: That's true. Yes, it's certainly risky from a financial perspective.

593
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: I think from a draft trade capital it feels like

594
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: this is the year to do it. In a slim draft.

595
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: They've attacked the draft pretty hard despite not having really

596
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: early picks. They've attacked the draft pretty hard in the

597
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: last two to three years and got some good ones

598
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: with wangon a Miller. Obviously, hopefully it clicks for Philippo.

599
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 2: We saw the potential of Darcy Wilson in that last

600
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: game against the Giants. Yeah, Taru was really impressive that

601
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: last season, and Travali hopefully comes on next year. So

602
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: I think I think it's the year to do it.

603
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, financially, well could it is a bit of

604
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: a risk. But are you concerned about essenon what's going

605
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: on there?

606
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: I mean just generally for about twenty years, yeah.

607
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: But specifically now when we know Sam as Will has

608
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: been extensively reporting on Sam Draper likely to leave Brisbane

609
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: looks like the destination. Then emerges that Jordan Ridley wants out, disillusioned,

610
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: disenfranchised after how his body has been handled by the

611
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: Strength and Conditioning department, which we know is going to

612
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: have a fresh look next year. And then the stuff

613
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: around Zach Merritt just doesn't go away. Merit, Ridley and

614
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: Draper not only crucial on field, but it feels like

615
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: off the field and culturally really important to that mix.

616
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 2: So take those three guys out, it's like, are we

617
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: starting the Cup again?

618
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's the problem, right, These are the guys

619
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 3: that you need to build around so that when you

620
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: actually get the young kids who are talented in and

621
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 3: they have experience to learn from. So it's a cultural

622
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: problem where these guys have been through the hard times

623
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 3: and if they don't see easier times coming up very soon,

624
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: they're like, Okay, well, I've my clock's running out, I've

625
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: got to win some games. Zach MAT's played two fifty

626
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: games now he needs he wants to win a final

627
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: at some point. Fair enough, he deserves. He's one of

628
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 3: the most underrated plays in the combent has been for

629
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 3: a while. So Jordan Ridley his body hasn't been right,

630
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 3: but we know how good he is one when he plays,

631
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: and if he can drink the miracle water that they

632
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 3: have up in Brisbane, maybe that would help him.

633
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: He didn't think the Brisbane River would be.

634
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: The story bridge is very important for curing people. My

635
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: understand me.

636
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: Draper's obviously on his way out. Sounds like forking you've

637
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: been reporting Brisbane, yes, like.

638
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, mostly, very much likely Brisbane. I think the reading

639
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 4: between the lines. I think raleio O'Brian signing that contract

640
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 4: extension with Adelaide having one foot out the door or sorry,

641
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 4: one foot out of going to Adelaide, and from what

642
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 4: Brian sent it into a month or two ago, that

643
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 4: had never discussed Draper coming to the club when he

644
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 4: was in negotiation. So I'd imagine that's probably dealing in

645
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 4: a little bit of bad faith to then go and

646
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 4: get Draper.

647
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: But royand Marshall TDK A little bit, Yeah.

648
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 4: A little bit. I guess the difference was probably Marshall's

649
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: was contracted this entire time. Sure, you know, Brian could

650
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 4: argue that he signed under the impression that he'd be

651
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 4: the sole ruck, but yeah, I mean we were saying

652
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 4: this last night, but I think it is genuinely so

653
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Speaker 4: destroying for Essenon fans and players who've been at the

654
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Speaker 4: club for a while to see I mean not just one,

655
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 4: but potentially three of those guys leave the club and

656
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 4: there's not a whole lot of experience left on the list.

657
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Speaker 3: We realistically think Ridley and Merit are leaving.

658
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Speaker 2: I don't Merit, definitely not Gosh, I don't think a

659
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 2: couple of It speaks more to the fact that the

660
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Speaker 2: fact that they want to and that it's gotten out.

661
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Speaker 3: There's two parts to that, because in any bad team,

662
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Speaker 3: you're going to have good players who want to play

663
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Speaker 3: for another good team.

664
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Speaker 2: I was about to say a running there if Merit left,

665
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Speaker 2: but I won't Ridley, I can.

666
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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe see Tom's pretty hot on that, like maybe yeah, yeah, maybe.

667
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Speaker 3: But it's interesting when you get the one report comes

668
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: out it's pretty strong, and then multiple reports another out

669
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Speaker 3: let's immediately shut it down, like you know which side

670
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Speaker 3: it's coming from. When they happen, yess a very interesting position.

671
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And to add to that, Essenon came out yesterday

672
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Speaker 4: and said, well, Draper hasn't made his decision, despite reports

673
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Speaker 4: from Jack Clark saying that he had he hasn't formally

674
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Speaker 4: informed him that he wants to leave, So I guess

675
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Speaker 4: they're hanging out hope and that's all they can do.

676
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Speaker 4: But yeah, not great signs.

677
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Speaker 3: I think the one part of Draper I feel like

678
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: that's gone under discussed. Why is Brisbane getting Draper? Why

679
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Speaker 3: do they need to pay a ruckman good money when

680
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 3: they've got a pretty tight salary cap and a lot

681
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Speaker 3: of really good plays.

682
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Speaker 2: Well they need a ruckman, yeah do they? Yeah?

683
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Speaker 3: They just want to flag with. They just want to

684
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Speaker 3: flag with Darcy Fort. I feel like if you are

685
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Speaker 3: not getting a ruckman who is fantastic, it's something other

686
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Speaker 3: than just rucking. You're fine with league average or below.

687
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Speaker 2: I just think they lacking depth though in the rock

688
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Speaker 2: department at the moment.

689
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Speaker 3: Sure, but I don't think paying what eight hundred grounds

690
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: a year is the solution to that. That feels like

691
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Speaker 3: it's it's above league average for a pretty good player

692
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: Sam Draper, but he's never going to be like an

693
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Speaker 3: All Australian contender. I wouldn't affoord.

694
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and then it sounds that they're going to

695
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Speaker 2: be paying Oscar Allen quite significantly and handsome as well.

696
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Speaker 3: That's very interesting. Take that negatively if you like use

697
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Speaker 3: of resources for a premiership list.

698
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Speaker 2: So Oscar, Allen and Draper likely to come in, they

699
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: will get Dan Annibal who is a top five draft

700
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Speaker 2: d this year and then yeah, and Ridley has been

701
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Speaker 2: linked to them.

702
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Speaker 3: Okay, So is this why they can do it? Because

703
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: they're getting an infinite supply of the first round father

704
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Speaker 3: sons and academy kids.

705
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Speaker 2: They've banked them in the past few years, haven't.

706
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Speaker 3: That's That's okay, I've just answered my own question. That's

707
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Speaker 3: why the.

708
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Speaker 4: Draft one thing, I will say, Darcy fort thirty two

709
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Speaker 4: years of age, Macna only thirty one, with what has

710
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 4: been reported chronic back injuries or not doubting.

711
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Speaker 3: That they need a ruckman at some point. It's the

712
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Speaker 3: use of salary cap space on a ruckman when I

713
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Speaker 3: feel like very few clubs who pay a ruckman a

714
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Speaker 3: lot of money have found success with it.

715
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Speaker 4: Eight hundred thousand dollars is a hell of a wage.

716
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Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm looking at it. I'm starting

717
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Speaker 4: to look at that as perhaps a level below just

718
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Speaker 4: with the way that salary caps in now being paid.

719
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Speaker 3: The leage average is going to be six hundred grand

720
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Speaker 3: like next year.

721
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so he said, but you'd rather someone who's a

722
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Speaker 4: Mark Blitzervs who just does his job Stanley, who have

723
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Speaker 4: been you know, they've done the work at Geelong, but

724
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Speaker 4: they're not a standout ruckman.

725
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Speaker 3: I there have been so many cases of teams getting

726
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: guys who were the second ruckman at there to Lloyd

727
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: Meek Jared Witz before that, guys who were just thereabout

728
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Speaker 3: in the rotation of a team and then end up

729
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: being fantastic first choice ruckman for the next five ten years.

730
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Speaker 4: So Ned Reaves from Hawthorne reports him wanting to leave

731
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Speaker 4: Hawthorne is he's someone that you would think.

732
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Speaker 3: I would rather spend three hundred three fifty grand on

733
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Speaker 3: a ruckman like that that eight hundred grand on a

734
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Speaker 3: Sam Dreper just in a vacuum.

735
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Speaker 4: Yep.

736
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Speaker 3: But you've got to do with what's available to you.

737
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Speaker 3: And if they have a lot of cap space because

738
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Speaker 3: of all these young kids coming in and winning Normsmith medals,

739
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Speaker 3: then fair play to them.

740
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Speaker 2: Some people would think, why the heck are you talking

741
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: about all this stuff in the middle of finals week?

742
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 3: Because it's fun, not right.

743
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: It's fun and a lot of other people want to

744
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: hear about it as well. They also want to hear

745
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: about our thoughts in this segment and.

746
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Speaker 1: Now on the Fox Footy podcast, another strong edition of

747
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 1: Australia's favorite segment, Fair or Fast.

748
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Speaker 2: Just a little addition mini edition here of Fair or

749
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Speaker 2: Fast Fork starting with you. The Melbourne coaching gig is

750
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: Nathan Buckley's if he wants it fair or fuss Fair.

751
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 4: Melbourne's been pretty adamant they're not running the process for

752
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 4: a one horse race and that they are genuinely considering

753
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 4: all five ken that it's on a level playing field, but.

754
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: A big coaching panel they've assembled it is.

755
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 4: But he's just a clear standout. I mean he's the

756
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 4: only one that's coached at a different AFL club and

757
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 4: for a long period of time as well. I think

758
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 4: it's probably fair his to lose. But he was also

759
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 4: speaking on the couch last night and wasn't absolutely one

760
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 4: hundred percent convinced that he's like, absolutely running the race.

761
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 4: He's obviously gotten to this point in the interview, which

762
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 4: tells you something that he's interested, but he didn't sound

763
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 4: like he was absolutely gunning for the position either, And

764
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 4: I think that's been his position for the last few weeks.

765
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Speaker 2: Do you think if Nathan takes the Melbourne job it's

766
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: part of that reason would be just the the AFL

767
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: will make sure Tasmania happens, right, but just the constant

768
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Speaker 2: uncertainty around Tazzy might have an influence in Buckley taking

769
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Speaker 2: the melt.

770
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: May be very soft, but I think it would be

771
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Speaker 3: more the fact that he'll be taking a job where

772
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Speaker 3: he gets to stay and live in Melbourney. It's just

773
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: easier for him and his life and it just makes sense.

774
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: I think he's understandably going I have the leverage here.

775
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: I can make sure this is a prime position where

776
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: I'm going to get to run the club as much

777
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: as I want to. So he can take that into

778
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: their negotiations and into their conversations, so I think that's

779
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: a fair play to him. I think Melbourne would be

780
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Speaker 3: just fine picking an assistant coach who's pretty highly rated too,

781
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Speaker 3: but they need to know where they want their list

782
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: to be over the next two three years before they

783
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Speaker 3: make that decision.

784
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 2: Brendan Lade consistently gets mentioned of those assistant coaches in

785
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Speaker 2: the mix. Brendan Laid from the Dogs right Now constantly

786
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: gets linked. Max Bailey Smith's Live All Australian Not interview

787
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Speaker 2: is one of the bravest we've seen in recent years.

788
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: Fear or fast, very fair.

789
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Speaker 3: That was fantastic from him. The willingness to sort of

790
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Speaker 3: off the cuff just drop the fact that he spent

791
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Speaker 3: a month in a psych ward yes late last year

792
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: is It's a fantastic admission and it's the sort of

793
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Speaker 3: thing that actually does help with the problem of mental

794
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Speaker 3: health and men's mental health in particular, more than any

795
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: game acknowledging awareness ever. Could you know, people I think

796
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: want the AHL to do more in that space, and

797
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: that's fair enough. There's a lot of causes that are

798
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: important to people and that would be certainly something to

799
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Speaker 3: try and help with. But Bailey Smith coming out and

800
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: being a very public figure and saying that, being that honest,

801
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: everyone who sees that, who has any sort of issues

802
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: or can relate to it at all, would be influenced

803
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 3: by that, and fair play to him, I think yeah.

804
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: I think the industry, particularly the media industry, was probably

805
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: quite surprised that he did it because he naturally does

806
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Speaker 2: not do a lot of media. You won't see him

807
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: do a MIDWEK press conference, the only time you probably

808
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: really seeing his postmatch interviews when there's no media manager

809
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: around Moons and Dicko goes straight to Bailey Smith for

810
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Speaker 2: an interview.

811
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Speaker 3: And they're not going to be super tough on him in.

812
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Speaker 2: That No they're not. But now he doesn't do the

813
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: standar Midwek presses, he doesn't do print one on one interviews.

814
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Speaker 2: So for that to happen in that environment was was

815
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: particularly and pleasantly surprising.

816
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: Which speaks to how comfortable he now feels as himself.

817
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 3: He was willing to bring it up. If he still

818
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: had any issues, he would have held it with him.

819
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Speaker 2: For Chris Davies is the perfect fit for Carlton to

820
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: complement Graham right and Michael Voss fair or fast.

821
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Speaker 4: He's very experienced. He's been in the game for twelve

822
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 4: years at Port, so I think twelve eleven. So yeah,

823
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 4: I mean, if you want experience and you want someone

824
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 4: who's been there, done that with a list. When he

825
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 4: came a year after Ken, I believe so Port wasn't

826
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 4: in great shape. Then Ken sort of took it past that.

827
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 4: But he has experienced in this situation that Carlton are in,

828
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: so I think he's probably the best in that field

829
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 4: in that regard. He's a tough and hard man, will

830
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 4: certainly tell it how he sees it. But I think

831
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 4: that's what Carlton need at the moment, and particular in Voss,

832
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 4: who's probably into a dire territory. Having someone like that's

833
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: probably a good thing for the club.

834
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 2: Could he potentially help acquire Ken Hinckley and subsequently Zach Butters.

835
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm just trying to think what role can would

836
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 4: head of coaching.

837
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 3: It can't hurt, can it?

838
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 4: No? I mean Caldn haven't really It's interesting Calden haven't

839
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 4: really been linked to Butters, but I mean, how well, sorry,

840
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 4: how close kenon Zach are is very well documented, so

841
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 4: cherlay Wood, as Max said, sirlin Winn's any harm.

842
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: He built a list that was consistently top four for

843
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 3: about a half decade, So that's about as good of

844
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: a track record as you can ask for. It's just

845
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: interesting timing to bring in a guy with that sort

846
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 3: of track record who's clearly going to be there for

847
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: a little while when you've got a coach who is

848
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: going into a finals or bus season, so he could

849
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: very easily be overseeing a new coach, and you would

850
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: think when you're getting someone so experienced, they would want

851
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 3: a new coach to start working with.

852
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: It feels like he's been the number one guy for

853
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 2: a long time. I think Colin would be interested very

854
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: much in him before. I think Charlie Gardner got the

855
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: role because Davey's turned it down. I think he's had

856
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: multiple approaches, max last one. Mitch Brown just made it

857
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 2: much easier for the second, third, fourth, and beyond AFL

858
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: players to come out fair or fast ben fair.

859
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: That's why it matters. That's if your reaction to Mitch

860
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 3: Brown coming out as bisexual is that wider we care.

861
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: It's his private business. It matters because it's brave to

862
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: do so because no one else has done it. By definition,

863
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: it is not an environment the AFL that encourages people

864
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 3: to be themselves publicly. There may be players who are gay.

865
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: There are certainly players that are gay or bisexual in

866
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 3: the AFL right now. Just statistically, it makes sense there

867
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 3: will probably be fewer than there are in the wider

868
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: community because the culture is not friendly to them, and

869
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: therefore they wouldn't go through all the pathways. They may

870
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 3: choose other things, but there are some and they will

871
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 3: now know that they do not have to be the first.

872
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 3: They do not have to be that groundbreaker. It's still

873
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: be a huge story if a current player does it,

874
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: but it helps them, it helps kids growing up, it

875
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 3: helps fans who now if you are queer and watching footy,

876
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 3: you have that connection to a footy player, you feel

877
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: slightly more welcome. Every little bit of that matters because

878
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: kids growing up and having their sexuality be a part

879
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: of themselves, that causes problems for them. I mean, youth

880
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: suicides are a bigger problem in that community than in

881
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: just the straight community. That is the sort of stuff

882
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: that matters. That is the sort of mental health elements

883
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: that matters. That's why the attention around this is really important.

884
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: That's why it was so positive. It was really good

885
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 3: to see. It was a really important groundbreaking moment, even

886
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: if it is just one guy saying this is what

887
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 3: I like.

888
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: You mentioned something interesting there about the pathways, right, and

889
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: I was speaking of fairbitly Shiloh Curtis, who I do

890
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: a lot of afoor W games with for Fox, and

891
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: she talks about how there might not be as many

892
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: gay or bisexual players in the AFL on the eighteen

893
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: lists because they actually mightn't get there, because they mightn't

894
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: go through the pathways because they find it too difficult

895
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 2: to be themselves in that crucial in those crucial teenage

896
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: years where they don't feel comfortable or motivated to go

897
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: through that the talent pathways at the top level.

898
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: And to be honest, the part of the Mitch Brown

899
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: story that got undersold by everyone was how he was

900
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 3: talking about how much crap people talked about gay people

901
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 3: and how many slurs were just commonly thrown around. Yep,

902
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: and that is confronting. Still.

903
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 2: Oh yes, h I would hope that society in general

904
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 2: has when Mitch was playing, which was in the late

905
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: two thousands to mid twenty tens. We have in generally

906
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: moved forward with those times. But the fact that you

907
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: know in the past two years that there's been five

908
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: six AFL players that have been suspended for homophobic slurs

909
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: says we've got a way to go.

910
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 3: So there's still a way to go. But I think

911
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 3: kids growing up now are far more welcoming of people

912
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: regardless of sexuality than even when we were growing up,

913
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: and we're in our twenties and thirties, so like it's

914
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: going to keep improving, it's going to keep changing, so

915
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 3: that environment will also help just with the natural flow

916
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: of younger people into the system. But that's why it matters.

917
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: We're in our thirties. Four. He had his birthday last

918
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: week and turned what twenty five?

919
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you see how I grouped us together nicely. It

920
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: made it Ben and I seen much really appreciates.

921
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: It's now time to open up this on.

922
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: The Fox Foody podcast. It's time to open up the mailbag.

923
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: Have a question for the panel. Tweetus every Monday morning

924
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: at Fox Footy.

925
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 3: Hang on, I might hurt my back opening the mail bags.

926
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 3: Oh well, just a couple of questions in that is

927
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 3: the oldest you've ever sound. Epic win. Then old mate

928
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: Sean has a correction.

929
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 4: Just just a fair correction. Segment is thrilled to have his.

930
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: Favorite segment back, the fantasy Tristan Sherry owners. We're not

931
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 3: the ones pushing him for all Australian. I think this

932
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: is something I raised last week. Overall, he was way

933
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: down on last year and was the fifth ranked scorer

934
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 3: behind Max, English, Brundy and Marshall. Frustrating own outside of

935
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: a few stand up games. I think most wanted Grundy,

936
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 3: so fair enough, thank you, Sean uh. And then let's

937
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: just bring up this one from Cat who asks, not

938
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 3: the not our cat, not your partner cat, now my

939
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: partner cat, not my cat, and not my coworker cat. Right,

940
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: none of the three.

941
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 4: They can't believe it's the mid of one. It's not

942
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: the mid of one.

943
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 3: Her question is can I have some more biscuits please?

944
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: But the question from the Twitter user is why is

945
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 3: the buy round before finals? Why rewards seventh to eighth

946
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 3: with a week off? Wouldn't it be a great idea

947
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: to have the buy around before the Grand Final so

948
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: people could still watch the VFL Grand Final that weekend.

949
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: As a supporter, the buy round before finals is well.

950
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: This has come into sharp focus in the Australian Sporting

951
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: conversation recently, Max after Ivan clear mass rested sixteen players

952
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: and I think Ricky's raiding Stewart planning to do the

953
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: same thing this week too much.

954
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: The fact that we have to carr about the NRL because.

955
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 2: Of our jobs, that's it has brought it into sharp

956
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: focus a little bit more so.

957
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: Keep in mind if you listeners, if you don't follow NRL.

958
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: First of all, fair enough, second of all the Panthers

959
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 3: four times back to back to back to back premiers,

960
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 3: aiming for a fifth, rested sixteen of seventeen players last

961
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 3: week for a Thursday night game against the top four rival.

962
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 3: And it's not like they were playing for nothing.

963
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: They can toy banks and bulldogs. Thank you lock On

964
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: Galvin's fair Bulldog.

965
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: It was a big move, big transfer this year as

966
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: we know, like they couldn't they could still play for

967
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 3: position in between fifth and eighth. I think it wasn't

968
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: a game for nothing. It was really weird.

969
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 4: Would you say it had shades of Saint Kilda? Freemantles

970
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: Saturday thirty, first of our tour, August twenty thirteen at

971
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 4: Marvel Stadium, roof open.

972
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 3: This the Cosey game.

973
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 4: This is the Ross line. Yes, eleven changes the core,

974
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 4: Yes coaching Freemantle Aaron san Lanz, Peter Fox, Alex Syvanni Clancy, Pierce, Jesse, Christian,

975
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: Joshua Mellington, Alex Forster, Hayden Crozier, Matt Tabana, Joshua Simpson

976
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 4: and my personal favourite Craig Moller afl debut eleven changes.

977
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: Matt Taberna was playing in twenty thirteen, he was, Yes,

978
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: the crab, that's impressive.

979
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's why it is in to avoid that

980
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: kind of situation from twenty thirteen and the NRL today.

981
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: But all it does is hurt the top teams, right,

982
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 3: history suggests based on the lesser performances of the top

983
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 3: four teams are, particularly the qualifying finyl winners and the

984
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: fact that we've had two teams win it from the

985
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 3: bottom half of the eight. I know you can have

986
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 3: freak results and outliers, but his three suggests that it

987
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: makes the top four advantage lesser and do we not

988
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: want to reward that when we're having a longer season

989
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 3: than met so.

990
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: And then the other argument is as well, that you

991
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: have the buy before the Grand Final to help avoid

992
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: any concussion protocol issues.

993
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: Which I don't that's going to be a one in

994
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 3: ten year thing. Sure, maybe it influences one player and

995
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 3: it helps, but I think there are advantages in terms

996
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: of having the awards.

997
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: Then, So what's the solution if there is no pre

998
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: finals by is one? Is there a bye and two?

999
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: Where do you put it or do you replace it

1000
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: with something like a wild card? Weekend.

1001
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 3: Well, I think once we get to twenty teams, yes,

1002
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: that's where it will be, right. We all have seventh,

1003
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: three tenth, and eighth three ninth that week, so the

1004
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 3: top six get the bye. It slightly neutralizes the advantage

1005
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: seventh and eighth have, hor it makes their positions even

1006
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: worse more to the point which helps fifth and sixth. Yeah,

1007
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: I think that would be mostly acceptable, and I'm fine

1008
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: with having ten finalists when we have twenty teams. Anytime

1009
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: before that, we should not be having a wild card weekend.

1010
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 2: It does feel like when we to go to twenty teams,

1011
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: if you're not finishing inside the top six, if you're

1012
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: finishing seventh and eighth, it feels like that wild card weekend.

1013
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just feels right that we'll go

1014
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: to a wildcard weekend. And yeah, yeah, seven and eight

1015
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: they're a bit more disadvantage, but if you're not inside

1016
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: that top six can be hard.

1017
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: You can draw the line wherever you want. We could

1018
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: go back to a top six and fifth and sixth

1019
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 3: would still most likely not win the flag each year,

1020
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: and there will be random years where it would be

1021
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: an incredible race for seventh and eighth and incredible race

1022
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 3: for ninth or tenth whatever. You cannot possibly draw a

1023
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 3: line that is perfect every year. It changes from last

1024
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: year to this year. So they're going to do is

1025
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: expand the finals because that means more inventory to sell

1026
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: to TV partners and sell more games and get more money.

1027
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 3: That's what they're going to do. That's just how it works.

1028
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: That's baseball had the best postseason in sports when they

1029
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: had purely two teams made the World Series and they

1030
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: went four in the playoffs. And now they've got freaking

1031
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: thirty teams playing finals.

1032
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 2: It sucks playing one hundred and sixty regularly.

1033
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: One hundred and sixty two games is not enough to

1034
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 3: determine who the best teams is.

1035
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: Apparently no, and baseball isn't necessarily a fast game either.

1036
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: It does take a litto. That is the end of

1037
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: the mail bag. One of my favorite things about this

1038
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: year has been getting to know what Kevin Shety was

1039
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: thinking twenty nine years ago. Let's do that again.

1040
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: Now, And the best part Ben is that he was

1041
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: thinking something weird. Almost always.

1042
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 2: Does.

1043
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 3: So what I've done this time, Kevin is go and

1044
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 3: ask Kevin Sheedy in nineteen ninety six what he thinks

1045
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: about the Melbourne coaching grace what he thinks they should do,

1046
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: the panel of experts who he thinks they should consult,

1047
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 3: and this was his advice to the Melbourne coaching panel.

1048
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 3: Kevin says, in a touch of cunning, when I employ

1049
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: people to do a job, I employ them because they

1050
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 3: have something I haven't. The classic case is when you

1051
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 3: go to a hospital. You don't go to an ice

1052
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 3: specialist if you have a heart attack, do you That's

1053
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: one thing I learned in the army. If you have

1054
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 3: a problem, you go to the right people, the people

1055
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 3: who specialize in fixing that particular sort of thing. If

1056
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: the Army has a c problem, it goes to the Navy.

1057
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 3: If it has an air problem, it goes to the

1058
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 3: Air Force. You divide your football club into different areas

1059
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: and bring in the right people to take charge of

1060
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 3: those areas. Deep Essendon did not listen to that.

1061
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 4: For the next thirty years, WHOA, I don't want to

1062
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 4: flay A few years after.

1063
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 3: That, Okay, for the next twenty five years. Except today is.

1064
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 2: The twenty I think today right as we recorded this

1065
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: Tuesday is the twenty fifth anniversary of Essenon's twenty one

1066
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: and one home and away season, which led to that

1067
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: they won the Grand Final.

1068
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 3: Yes, because because that season finished because of this early,

1069
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 3: because it still started early, finished because of the City

1070
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: two thousand Olympics. Of course it did, which he also

1071
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: talked about in this book. Did he really? I am

1072
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: very excited it was. There's a section where he was

1073
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 3: proposing that every sport plays a big game at the

1074
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 3: MCG before the Olympics for some reason.

1075
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: Isn't isn't he campaigning for something for Brisbane twenty thirty

1076
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: I think he.

1077
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 3: Wants footy to be a demonstration sport in the twenty

1078
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: thirty two Brisban Olympics, which which also means it wouldn't

1079
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 3: be for a medal. If it's a demonstration sport, I

1080
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: don't think so. I'm not entirely We.

1081
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 4: Can ask him. He's on the podcast in three weeks times.

1082
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: Please stop suggesting that that will happen.

1083
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: Looking forward to having Kevin ready Please time for the

1084
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: tips and cups for the first week of the finals

1085
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: adelaide and calling them Friday night for the Ben Crocker Cup.

1086
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: Well, you'll know who wins on Friday night. On Thursday night,

1087
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: it will happen.

1088
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 2: Sorry, and.

1089
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 3: A week off is really said, this is the problem

1090
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 3: with the bye week.

1091
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 4: It does think about Ricky Raiders instead of the schedule

1092
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 4: of the AFL qualifying final. Adelaide Collingwood.

1093
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: How much of that?

1094
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: How much of that max style reverse?

1095
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: Well now not tipping, so actually doesn't matter anymore, that's.

1096
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 3: True, but now it's reverse psychology anyway.

1097
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 4: Collingwood, I've been I've been not tricked. I've listened to

1098
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 4: enough people saying that Farmers experience is going to hurt

1099
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 4: the Crows.

1100
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, look, absolutely.

1101
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 4: A very losable game Collingwood.

1102
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 3: Collin Will I see it's not It's not like Collingwood

1103
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 3: to go into State during the finals and win a game.

1104
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 3: They shouldn't either, but they don't have.

1105
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 4: Abe less than a goal ben Key's will take a

1106
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 4: shot for gold.

1107
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: Two thousand and three. Where Collingwood went to the football

1108
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: was then Football Park and they beat either the Power

1109
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: or the Crows. Nathan Buckley didn't play. Paula Curia played

1110
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: the game of his life and had forty odd possessions.

1111
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: I want it, yeah. Qualifying final was against Port Adelaide

1112
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: freelim final. No, no, there was one at Football Park

1113
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 2: in a qualifying final.

1114
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: Interesting, look we'll.

1115
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 4: Look a lot down by two against Port Adelaide. Yeah,

1116
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 4: Football Park.

1117
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nathan Buckley wasn't playing.

1118
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 4: No, he wasn't. Courier had forty.

1119
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: Forty touches there, it is can colling would do something,

1120
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: It would be it would be a very much that

1121
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: kind of feel backs against the wall, all their personnel

1122
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: not there. It would be remarkable if that.

1123
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: Was Port top of the ladder, Collingwood sneaking in the

1124
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: top four.

1125
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, just reminded me of that, Leon and kicking three goals.

1126
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: Leon Nice. Geelong and Brisbane on Friday night, the Kai

1127
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: Cockertoo Cup app for grabs, as is a preliminary final

1128
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: home birth.

1129
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 3: Well, the first part is much more important. Yes, Trent

1130
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: wear stiff of course, So I my finals prediction right

1131
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 3: now would be Geelong winning this game, Brisbane getting revenge

1132
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: in the Grand Final.

1133
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: Which happened in fifth No. Fifty. Did West Coast win

1134
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 2: the first week? Did West Coast win the qualifying home qualifyings?

1135
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: Then Hawthorne had to go through Fremantle and West Coast

1136
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: host North Melbourne. They did, That's right, they did on

1137
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 3: the Saturday.

1138
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: That's probably the closest North have probably been to a

1139
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: flag since they're since the late nineties.

1140
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 4: So was that one week after Drew Petrie naked the tank?

1141
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 4: It would have been two weeks, two weeks and fifteen.

1142
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: Was Petrid nanked the tank in twenty fourteen because that

1143
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: was a mark That was the Mark Bomber Thompson year.

1144
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: They also made a prelim that year, I think from

1145
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 3: memory because they beat Gelong and in the semi final

1146
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: and they beat Sydney in another one of day and

1147
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 3: zed I want to say they lost?

1148
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: Did they lose?

1149
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: They lose that one?

1150
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 4: Yeah? Anyway, this is great chat.

1151
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: Guys.

1152
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: We're poorly reading AFL tables, so I'm leaning leading Gelong

1153
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: despite my natural presences.

1154
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Geelong as well Giants and Hawks. John O o

1155
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: rourke cup. Yeah, this is the Saturday afternoon game. I

1156
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: think yeh, Saturday afternoon.

1157
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: I think Hawthorne makes a prelimb.

1158
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: Hawthorn makes a prelium from eighth. Yep, when was the last.

1159
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 4: Time I think Crows go straight sets? Is that the math? Then?

1160
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 3: I think Collingwood goes colind go straight sets just because

1161
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 3: of the matchups. I think Collingwoods a good team, but

1162
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 3: Hawthorne just has a good chance of beating them. So

1163
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 3: I think the Hawks win this. I think they then

1164
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 3: win that. It's always a dangerous tip because I think

1165
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: I tipped the same thing last year and then they

1166
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 3: lost the semi final and was.

1167
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: The last time a team made a prelium from eighth?

1168
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: I know set obviously.

1169
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: I think one of those North teams was eighth. Right, wow,

1170
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: I think Okay, now we have to double check because people,

1171
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 3: if they know helling at their phone.

1172
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 4: Sorry, oh, pass the time. When Max does that, I

1173
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 4: think the.

1174
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 2: Giants could bring in as many as five or six.

1175
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I reserve my right to change my judgment once

1176
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 4: the teams drop. On Thursday six twenty pm Max ping

1177
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen.

1178
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 3: North finishes eighth, beats Richmond in the elimination final, beats

1179
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: Sydney at A and Z in the semifinal, loses to

1180
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 3: West Coast.

1181
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: In the pre Richmond in the elimination. So Richmond lost

1182
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: the elimination final the year before against pour La before.

1183
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 3: Its Carlton Carlton who finished ninth.

1184
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was the Richmond? How long? How much? Did

1185
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: North meet Richmond.

1186
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 3: By seventeen points? Looked like they were inaccurate but ahead

1187
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 3: at three quarters time and then kicked away a little

1188
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 3: bit cup Mmm, looks like Caine Lambert got them back

1189
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 3: within a kick, but then Lindsay Thomas and Jared Waite

1190
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: finished off finished them off after a Jamie McMillen goal,

1191
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 3: an important one in the third quarter.

1192
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: Do you think the Giants are chance?

1193
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 4: I think so, but it's gonna be a huge chance.

1194
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 4: Bloody interesting to see how many of those players come back,

1195
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 4: and it sounds like most of them, if not all

1196
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 4: of them will plus Brent Daniels who was an emergency

1197
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 4: up to six changes.

1198
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 3: I think I think it's less of a chance based

1199
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 3: on what we saw it training today. The really yeah,

1200
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 3: I think that's what the one thing I did see. Okay, interesting,

1201
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 3: I mean look that, as I said, they are good

1202
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 3: enough to win four finals in a row. It's just

1203
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: whether they're good enough to do it in a row,

1204
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 3: if that makes sense.

1205
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: And then the last game is the Freemantle doc is

1206
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: against the Gold Coast Suns. Yes to go pass executive

1207
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: produced to leave Carl and he's the only Gold Coast

1208
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 2: supporter that I actually know. He's very excited around at

1209
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: the moment. It is, of course for the Josh Corbett

1210
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: Cup and Greg Broughton will be on hand to present

1211
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 2: the best on Grand of course as well form.

1212
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 3: A Coburg Star of course. Lee Carson Yes, and he's

1213
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: playing days Yes and Stert Yes, that's right.

1214
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: Yes.

1215
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 3: So I think this is closer than everyone's giving it

1216
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: credit for. I think everyone thinks this is the easiest

1217
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 3: tip of the final.

1218
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: First week the couch numbers last night I presented that

1219
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: the Suns actually could match up quite well. He was Freemantle.

1220
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 3: I mean their percentage is sixteen points better. They have

1221
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 3: been in that regard a better team over the course

1222
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: of the season. If they and if they'd beaten Port,

1223
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: they would have been fourth. So I think you can

1224
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 3: make the case. I do think it's just it doesn't

1225
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 3: in the same way that the Crows don't. They feel

1226
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: like a prelim team. The Suns don't feel like a

1227
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: team that wins, certainly not two.

1228
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: Don't feel like a semi final comment.

1229
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 3: Maybe, but winning a tough away final against sixty thousand

1230
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 3: fuming Dockers fans seems like maybe a bridge too far

1231
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 3: for them. But look, they made it. You're happy enough.

1232
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 3: I think it's a past no matter what, because they

1233
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: finally made it right.

1234
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. So Dockers, Yes, yes, I'm going

1235
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 4: Docers as well. I think they buy into the emotion

1236
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 4: like against the Western Bulldogs. And it's truly not Five's

1237
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 4: last game in Perth, so they'll be sending off him

1238
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 4: and indirectly Walters as well. But yeah they do. They should,

1239
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 4: They should win. I know gold Coast so much, probably

1240
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 4: a much better profile in some regards, but it should

1241
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 4: be Fremantle.

1242
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: It could be a similar experience as Sons have to

1243
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 2: what the Giants had in that prelium. Finally, as Richmond

1244
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen ninety seven thousand Richmond fans and one

1245
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: thousand Giants fans.

1246
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 3: So you're saying that their captain is going to get

1247
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 3: concussed but there going to get off anyway too soon.

1248
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 4: Yes, the match trivia, Yes, that's why the Crows lost

1249
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 4: in twenty seventeen Grands.

1250
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 3: Oh that the power swung, It was it, That's what

1251
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 3: it was, Okay, interest wasn't the power stance? The powerstance

1252
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 3: stance stance, bloody South Australian.

1253
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: I still think Adelaide has a good dants to beat

1254
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: to Collingwood on who wins the flag?

1255
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 4: Who wins the Big Dance. Okay, I still think Brisbane.

1256
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd pick up Brisbane.

1257
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: We are going to be right across all the finals

1258
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,279
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1259
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,520
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1260
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