WEBVTT - The NRL’s influence on Albanese’s gambling reforms

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<v Speaker 1>From Schwartz Media. I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven AM.

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<v Speaker 1>In Anthony Albanesi's political universe, personal relationships are everything. High

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<v Speaker 1>on the list for Alberanesi is his bond with Peter Landy's,

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<v Speaker 1>the chair of the Australian Rugby League Commission and chief

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<v Speaker 1>executive of New South Wales Racing. That relationship has been

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<v Speaker 1>central to the government's decision to again delay reforms of

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<v Speaker 1>gambling advertising, which Flandy's strongly opposes. Today special correspondent for

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<v Speaker 1>the Saturday Paper Jason Kotsukus with the inside story of

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<v Speaker 1>why the government hasn't acted on gambling reform. It's Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>December two. So Jason the Prime Minister. He's famously a

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<v Speaker 1>big rugby league guy. His team is the rabbit Os.

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<v Speaker 1>But not only that, he has friends in the league.

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<v Speaker 1>He's known to be close to the chair of the

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<v Speaker 1>Australian Rugby League Commission, in particular. Can you tell me

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<v Speaker 1>a bit about him and about their relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's exactly right. So Peter landis a huge figure

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<v Speaker 2>in Sydney, someone the Prime Minister has known for a

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<v Speaker 2>very long time. A measure of how close they've become

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<v Speaker 2>is that When Joe Biden hosted a state dinner at

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<v Speaker 2>the White House for Anthony Aberenezi in October last year,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the people that the Prime Minister took along

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<v Speaker 2>with him was Peter Flanders.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter the Landers, you're here for the state dinner?

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<v Speaker 3>How did this come about?

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<v Speaker 2>I lookwa had lunch one day with a Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>and we were talking about Australian sport and how it

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<v Speaker 2>would be in much the same way that his predecessor,

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Morrison took Brain Houston to have a PM who's

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<v Speaker 2>into rugby league? Is that a welcome thing for you? Look,

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<v Speaker 2>it is also welcome. But he's also very smart.

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<v Speaker 1>He can see.

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<v Speaker 2>And then in May this year, Anthony Abenezi backed the

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<v Speaker 2>NRLs push to add another team to the NRL competition

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<v Speaker 2>based in New Guinea. The Prime Minister views this as

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<v Speaker 2>a way of strengthening ties with not just PMNG but

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's whole integration with the Pacific region, where Beijing is

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<v Speaker 2>also competing for influence. They also collaborated on a funding

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<v Speaker 2>agreement to upgrade the historicch art Oval, which is in

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister's Grainleer electorate, with the Federal government kicking

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<v Speaker 2>and nearly half of the fifty million dollars required to

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<v Speaker 2>upgrade that oval.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so there's a close working relationship and also a

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<v Speaker 1>close personal one. It's fair to say that Albert Easy

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<v Speaker 1>and Plant is their buddies. How significant is that when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to the way that the Prime Minister has

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<v Speaker 1>approached the issue of gambling reform.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's very significant. I spoke to labour insider

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<v Speaker 2>who said that no voice has been more important when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to informing the PM on the consequences of

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<v Speaker 2>a complete gambling advertising ban than velandis. That same person

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<v Speaker 2>put the AFL Chief Executive Andrew Dillon a close second,

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<v Speaker 2>and that no one else, not even the Freeware Networks

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<v Speaker 2>or Kerry Stokes or even News Corporation has mattered as

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<v Speaker 2>much in this debate as what the two sporting codes think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as you say, we have heard a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>gambling reform this year. Can you give me a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of why that is, of why this issue has come

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<v Speaker 1>to a head at this particular moment, well right back at.

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<v Speaker 2>The beginning of the term, I think in September twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, the Minister for Social Services, Amanda Rishworth, she

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<v Speaker 2>actually referred this issue to a Parliamentary inquiry and she

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<v Speaker 2>asked them to have a look at online gambling and

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<v Speaker 2>its impacts on people experiencing gambling RM. That committee was

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<v Speaker 2>chaired by a Labor MP, the late Peter Murphy, and

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<v Speaker 2>was made up of ten other MPs are drawn from

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<v Speaker 2>both the two major parties and also the cross bench.

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<v Speaker 2>And while they were working on that report, I think

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<v Speaker 2>in May last year, Peter Dutton kind of got the

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<v Speaker 2>jump on the committee and preempted one of their key recommendations.

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<v Speaker 2>He used his Budget in Reply speech to announce that

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<v Speaker 2>a coalition government would move to banned sports betting advertising

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<v Speaker 2>during the broadcasting of games and for an hour before

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<v Speaker 2>and after the game as well.

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<v Speaker 3>In our country, futy time is family time, but the

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<v Speaker 3>bombardment of betting ads takes the joy out of televised sports.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten days later, in Parliament, the Opposition Communication Spokesman David

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<v Speaker 2>Coleman asked the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 3>Will the Prime Minister work with the Opposition to get

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<v Speaker 3>this initiative implemented?

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<v Speaker 2>Now give a call to the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 3>I thanked the member for his question. No one likes

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<v Speaker 3>their footing more than.

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<v Speaker 2>Mate Alban he's a responded by saying that he was

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<v Speaker 2>very concerned about gamely ads. He said he found them annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>But he questioned why the Coalition was trying to move

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<v Speaker 2>on this at that moment.

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<v Speaker 3>If only they were in government sometime in the last decade,

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<v Speaker 3>if only they'd had the opportunity to do something.

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<v Speaker 2>And he also had it that he was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be waiting for Peter Murphy's Inquiry to deliver its final

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<v Speaker 2>report because you know, that is what's appropriate, he said

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<v Speaker 2>at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So when the inquiry did report back, what did

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<v Speaker 1>they find? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Six weeks after Dunton came out with that promise to

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<v Speaker 2>ban sports betting ads during games, Peter Murphy's Committee tabled

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<v Speaker 2>its report You win some, you Lose more. The committee

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<v Speaker 2>unanimously agreed on the thirty one recommendations that that report contained.

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<v Speaker 2>But the one recommendation that's caused all the headaches for

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<v Speaker 2>the government is the one that has called for a

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<v Speaker 2>comprehensive ban on all forms of advertising for online gambling

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<v Speaker 2>to be implemented over three years.

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<v Speaker 1>So will the government listen to the evidence. That's after

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<v Speaker 1>the break so Jason, The government said they wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>wait until they got this report, final report before dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with the issue of gambling reform. So once they had

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<v Speaker 1>that in their hands, what did they do next?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, last December, as the Communications Minister Michelle Roland was

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<v Speaker 2>working through the government's response to the inquiry, Peter Murphy

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<v Speaker 2>died from cancer and I think that added a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of extra emotional charge to this issue because it was

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<v Speaker 2>almost Peter Murffy's dying wish that the Government act on

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<v Speaker 2>that key recommendation to ban gambling advertising. So when Parliament

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<v Speaker 2>returned in February this year, five days ironically before the

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<v Speaker 2>Dunkley by election to fill the parliamentary vacancy created by

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Murphy's death, Zoe Daniel, the Teal Independent, asked the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister whether he would in fact honor Murphy's call

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<v Speaker 2>for a full ban on gambling ads. What did he say, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>he tried it out a form of words that he's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of repeated each time he's been asked about this now,

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<v Speaker 2>and that essentially has been that the Government is undertaking

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<v Speaker 2>relevant consultations as you would expect us to do, he

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<v Speaker 2>told Parliament then with all stakeholders. But by the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the year the same day that Albanezi met with

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<v Speaker 2>the NRL's chief executive Andrew Abdo. The government was in

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<v Speaker 2>fact ready with a compromised proposal that it was prepared

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<v Speaker 2>to share with all the relevant stakeholders under strict confidentiality arrangements.

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<v Speaker 2>And instead of a blanket ban on gambling advertising, Michelle

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<v Speaker 2>Roland had come up with a proposal to introduce a

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<v Speaker 2>cap of two gambling ads per hour on each channel

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<v Speaker 2>up until ten PM, with a complete ban on gambling

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<v Speaker 2>ads an hour before and after live sport.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So that's something, but it's not what the inquiry

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<v Speaker 1>actually recommended.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's a compromise. But when news of Michelle Rolin's

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<v Speaker 2>proposal leaked, the Prime Minister refused to back it, and

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<v Speaker 2>he told journalists at that press conference, you know they

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't believe everything they read in the paper.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we'll announce what our preferred solution is when we

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<v Speaker 3>announce it. So I I comment on speculation, Thanks very much,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>One labor I spoke with told me that he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think Michelle Roland was very happy with the way the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister responded to those questions. I think she was

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<v Speaker 2>hoping that he would say something a bit more supportive

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<v Speaker 2>that he would even be prepared to back the proposal,

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<v Speaker 2>and their reading of it was, you know that the

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<v Speaker 2>minister had gone out to stakeholders with a compromise that

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<v Speaker 2>everyone was broadly comfortable with, and that Labor missed an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to pass what would have been a significant reform

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<v Speaker 2>that was in the public interest and that probably would

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<v Speaker 2>have got a majority of voters on side.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an interesting situation, though, because you have a

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<v Speaker 1>committee that's looked at the evidence and said that what's

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<v Speaker 1>needed is a ban for ads on online gambling. The

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<v Speaker 1>government has opted not to do that, but instead there's

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<v Speaker 1>this compromise that's been proposed, but then when the Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister is asked about that, he won't commit to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's going on here and why is this becoming

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<v Speaker 1>such a sticking point?

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<v Speaker 2>Great question, and I think you know, one gambling industry

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<v Speaker 2>executive that I spoke to said that, in his view,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't really think that the government understood just how

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<v Speaker 2>complex this issue was when they referred it to the inquiry,

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<v Speaker 2>and they said they didn't think that the government really

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<v Speaker 2>listened either to the industry representatives who appeared before that inquiry,

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<v Speaker 2>including the sporting codes, the TV networks, even the gambling

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<v Speaker 2>industry itself, who all told the MPs just how difficult

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<v Speaker 2>it would be to implement a ban. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>the key thing here is how to replace or what

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<v Speaker 2>is considered this vital source of revenue that's keeping television

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<v Speaker 2>networks alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Right So where has all of this left the government, Jason?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, once the Prime Minister refused to back his

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<v Speaker 1>own Communication Minister's proposal, did the possibility of reform die?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? It certainly looks that way right now. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's left everyone feeling very frustrated. Each week that Parlam

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<v Speaker 2>has sat since August, the Prime Minister has faced questions

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<v Speaker 2>on this issue from not just the crossbench but the

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<v Speaker 2>opposition as well. We saw Tasmanian Independent Andrew Wilkie come

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<v Speaker 2>out on Thursday to call a government a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 3>I have not seen a more egregious and shocking abandonment

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<v Speaker 3>of the public interest than this government's refusal to implement

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<v Speaker 3>a ban on gambling advertising.

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<v Speaker 2>I think all of this has left members of the

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<v Speaker 2>government feeling angry too. One senior Labour source told me

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<v Speaker 2>that the whole thing has been very frustrating that they're

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<v Speaker 2>still trying to deal with the unintended consequences for the networks.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the PM has tried to defend the

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<v Speaker 2>government's record saying.

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<v Speaker 3>We've done more in two years to tackle gambling hearts

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<v Speaker 3>than has been done by any government since federation.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you look at the list that the PM

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<v Speaker 2>recites often in question time, things like establishing a mandatory

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<v Speaker 2>customer ID verification for online gambling, forcing online gambling companies

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<v Speaker 2>to send their customers monthly activity statements outlining wins and losses,

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<v Speaker 2>and introducing new evidence based taglines in gambling ads, among

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<v Speaker 2>other things. I do think maybe that the PM has

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<v Speaker 2>a point the government hasn't done nothing, But I think

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<v Speaker 2>for many people inside the government they think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of this debate is based on emotion, not hard evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, but there is this distinct sense that you get

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<v Speaker 1>that we aren't really getting the full picture as to

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening behind the scenes, because if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what's actually occurred. We've got a government saying

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't want to act on gambling reform until

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<v Speaker 1>an inquiry really properly looks into it. Then that happens

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<v Speaker 1>They find that online gambling ads should be banned during

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<v Speaker 1>sport and it's now been well over a year, closer

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<v Speaker 1>to a year and a half since the government got

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<v Speaker 1>those findings and they haven't responded. So bearing in mind

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<v Speaker 1>what we know about the Prime minister's personal relationships, how

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<v Speaker 1>should we be thinking about who the Albanezi government is

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<v Speaker 1>really listening to when it comes to gambling reform.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think Peter Landez said to the Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 2>don't do it, and he hasn't done it. He said

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be bad for the NRL, it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be bad for the AFL. But I think really

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister has three bad options. He can impose

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<v Speaker 2>a full ban on gambling ads that will upset the

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<v Speaker 2>sporting codes and the media, and six months out from

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<v Speaker 2>an election he doesn't necessarily want to be doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>He could implement the compromise proposal, and I think a

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<v Speaker 2>majority of voters who say they want to complete ban

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<v Speaker 2>on gambling ads probably aren't going to be happy with

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<v Speaker 2>a partial ban. And then the other option, doing nothing

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<v Speaker 2>is not really good for him either. The first anniversary

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<v Speaker 2>of Peter Murphy's death is actually this week, the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>of December, and while I think it's unlikely that the

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<v Speaker 2>government will announce a decision on this issue, it's still

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<v Speaker 2>possible Parliament's finish, but Cabinet will still meet right up.

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<v Speaker 2>I think until the week before Christmas. This is something

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<v Speaker 2>that has to go through cabinet, so I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>still possible that the Prime Minister could surprise us and

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<v Speaker 2>come out with the decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Jason, thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Ruby.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news today, an Israeli airstrike on a

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<v Speaker 1>car in Gaza has reportedly killed five people, including aid

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<v Speaker 1>workers from the organization World Central Kitchen. The RDF said

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<v Speaker 1>one of the aid workers was a harmask terrorist, while

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<v Speaker 1>the World's Central Kitchen said it had no knowledge that

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<v Speaker 1>any individual in the vehicle had alleged ties to the

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<v Speaker 1>October seven attacks. Earlier this year, Australian woman, Zombie Frankcom

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<v Speaker 1>was also killed in an Israeli attack on a World

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<v Speaker 1>Central Kitchen envoy in Gaza. And people suffering the debilitating

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<v Speaker 1>effects of endometriosis will now be able to access the

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<v Speaker 1>drug visan more easily. The government has announced it's adding

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<v Speaker 1>the ENDO treatment to the pharmaceutical Benefit scheme. More than

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<v Speaker 1>halving the cost. I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening.