WEBVTT - #1898 Interviewed by a Listener (the last bit) - Kelly Smith

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good a you bloody champions. It's Kelly, it's Craig,

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<v Speaker 1>it's us. We're back. It's you know what was going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen everyone? Kelly and I were going to record

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<v Speaker 1>three five question podcasts in a row last night. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's Wednesday night, the twenty eighth of the fifth, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five as we record this, but I have this

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing ear ear issue which sounds so bloody ridiculous, Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't it so so nothing so marculous it is it is,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like it's not painful, it's not. But what

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<v Speaker 1>happens everyone is, and it's happening right now. Is my

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<v Speaker 1>left no, my right ear what it varies, but at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment it's my right ear totally blocks and so

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<v Speaker 1>it makes concentration and communication and focus very hard. And

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<v Speaker 1>so we recorded too, and we're about to record the third.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, we started the third and Fatty Harps's ear blocked.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like somebody just walks up and puts their finger

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<v Speaker 1>right in your ear, and so everything I say comes

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<v Speaker 1>back into my head and there's like this weird pressure

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<v Speaker 1>in my ear right now. But I realized to the world,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't hear any of that, they don't sense any

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<v Speaker 1>of that. So I'm going to sold John Kell. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to see how I go. We might have a

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<v Speaker 1>little break or two, but right now it's like somebody's

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<v Speaker 1>put a block of cheese in my right ear and

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<v Speaker 1>my voice in my head is very fucking loud. But

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<v Speaker 1>we'll do our very best. And we were chatting just

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<v Speaker 1>before we came on. You had a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>listen today, so the first episode went up today. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it hard listening to yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting listening to yourself. And I think there's always

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<v Speaker 2>that thing your voice sounds different, and you're obviously experiencing

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<v Speaker 2>that right now in your own head, but your voice

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<v Speaker 2>sounds different when you hear it back. I did think

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<v Speaker 2>it was different hearing your responses in a different context

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<v Speaker 2>of just being the listener, not the interviewer. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>still determined to learn how to serve. That would be

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<v Speaker 2>pretty cool. And yeah, no, I got a lot out

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<v Speaker 2>of it, so I hope other people did as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, you asked some really good questions. And we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking before and I said one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that I find like, I get it, but for me,

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<v Speaker 1>who's the subject of that curious is how many people

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<v Speaker 1>want to know, Like a lot of people don't. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>if I was a listener, I would not want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't give a fuck about what Craig Carpet eats

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<v Speaker 1>or how he lives, or why he's married or not married,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, like, but so many people care about

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<v Speaker 1>what I do and why I do it and when

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<v Speaker 1>did you start that? And how long you've been doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>And why don't you eat lunch? And you know, how

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<v Speaker 1>far do you walk every day? And how often do

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<v Speaker 1>you lift weights? And do you do machine weights as well?

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<v Speaker 1>Or would you do anything like pilates or body weight

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<v Speaker 1>circuits or you know, like so many people are interested in,

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<v Speaker 1>like how I live my life on a personal operational level.

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<v Speaker 1>And for me, that's very amusing because I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one of the most boring fucking people in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bayside area of Melbourne right And I'm not fishing, Like

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<v Speaker 1>my life is so boring, Like I live by myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't drink, I don't smoke. I walk to the

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<v Speaker 1>cafe every day, I have a coffee, eat the same

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<v Speaker 1>breakfast every day. I eat a version of the same

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<v Speaker 1>dinner every day. I don't eat through the day. If

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hungry, I have maybe a few almonds or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. You know, I lift weights. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's very it's kind of groundhog day. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there are different things because I do work with different

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<v Speaker 1>teams and groups and individuals and organizations, and I travel

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<v Speaker 1>a bit. But I talk about a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>same stuff. But I think what keeps me sane is

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that I do something that I truly love

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<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't feel like work. You know. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>apart from this annoying ear I've got right now, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking to you, somebody that I like, somebody that

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<v Speaker 1>I have a good connection with, and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>things that are of interest to me and hopefully you

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<v Speaker 1>and hopefully the listeners. And there's no sense at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>or there's no feeling of oh my god, I'm working.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm working. I've got to do this because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is what I do. I'm a podcaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh fuck, I better do another. You know. There's none

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<v Speaker 1>of that. There's none of that. There's just like the

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<v Speaker 1>experience and.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the dream. Right Like I work at a place

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<v Speaker 2>that I really enjoy working at. And you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>days when there's things that you have to do. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've got a really great team and I get

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<v Speaker 2>to work with some really great people. So I work

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<v Speaker 2>with adults with disability, and I think that's an absolute

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<v Speaker 2>honor to be able to do that. So I love

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<v Speaker 2>my job so I can relate to that, and I think,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the absolute dream, isn't it to have

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<v Speaker 2>something in your life that you I mean, technically it's

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<v Speaker 2>called work, but it doesn't feel like it for the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's the thing, like if you can,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and look, it sounds judgmental because there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who don't necessarily love what they do,

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<v Speaker 1>but they don't necessarily hate it, but it ticks the

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<v Speaker 1>boxes that they want to tick. It's like, well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good money. I don't hate it. It's close to

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<v Speaker 1>home or I'm working from home. I've got the skills,

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<v Speaker 1>I know how to do. It doesn't cause me a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stress and anxiety. I get four weeks or

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<v Speaker 1>six weeks, annual holiday or whatever it is. I get

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sick pay, I get this, I get that

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<v Speaker 1>and for many people that's a beautiful operating system or

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<v Speaker 1>that's a beautiful, beautiful model of career or work for them.

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<v Speaker 1>And we as we've spoken about many times, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like what works for Kelly won't work for Craig,

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<v Speaker 1>or what works for Craig won't work for Brian or

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<v Speaker 1>Dave or Sally. Right, So it's trying to figure out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, while for some people to do my job

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<v Speaker 1>where there's very little security, where I don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>set wage, I don't have I don't have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>holiday pay, I don't have sick pay. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things, a lot of the benefits that

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<v Speaker 1>come with a good job. But what I do have

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<v Speaker 1>is I have a life that doesn't really feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I ever work, you know, I mean, which sounds weird,

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<v Speaker 1>but like there are some things that are you know,

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<v Speaker 1>more challenging and difficult than other things. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess because I don't have any what's the word set

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<v Speaker 1>protocol where I've got to be at a certain place

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<v Speaker 1>every time each day and then go and sit in

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<v Speaker 1>that room and then do these things, or I've got

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<v Speaker 1>to be I've got to jump in that truck every

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<v Speaker 1>morning and then deliver those things or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, none of those things are bad. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>for many people, they're great. But I think that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things is trying to figure out and we

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<v Speaker 1>spoke about I don't know it's episode one or two,

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<v Speaker 1>but trying to figure out what not what's optimal, but

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<v Speaker 1>what's optimal for you, you know, And we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>you know, food and exercise and sleep and managing stress

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<v Speaker 1>and anxiety and the kind of relationship that works for

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<v Speaker 1>you and all those things. And then you figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how many hours you know, the average adult works over

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<v Speaker 1>their life time. You know, they're working life between whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen and sixty sixty five seventy, Like, that's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of waking hours to be miserable if you hate what you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do absolutely And maybe that's why people are so interested in,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, how many steps you take and what you

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<v Speaker 2>have for breakfast and why you don't have lunch or

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<v Speaker 2>what you have for dinner, because you are in a

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<v Speaker 2>position of having something in your life that is work

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<v Speaker 2>but not work.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think likeascinated with the idea of everyone every listener,

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<v Speaker 1>you Kelly Me, you know, Tiff and Melissa who work

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<v Speaker 1>with us. I'm really interested in people finding out what's

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<v Speaker 1>the best operating system for me. Yeah, you know, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the best way to eat for me, what's the best

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<v Speaker 1>way to live for me. What's the best way to

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<v Speaker 1>work for me. What's the best way for me to

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<v Speaker 1>manage my relationship with money? What's the best way for

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<v Speaker 1>me to do relationships? Like I was talking to a

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<v Speaker 1>dude the other day and he and his girl have

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<v Speaker 1>been together. Lady been together for about ten years, and

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<v Speaker 1>they like I see them sometimes separately, as in I

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<v Speaker 1>bump into them, and you can tell they are in

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<v Speaker 1>love as fuck right, they love each other, and he

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<v Speaker 1>talks highly of her. He's fucking in love head over heels.

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<v Speaker 1>She's in love with him head over heels. It's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>But the funny thing is they don't live together, and

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<v Speaker 1>they might stay at each other's house once or twice

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<v Speaker 1>a week, but they have their own. Now, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>suggesting everyone should do this, but it's like they're well

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<v Speaker 1>and truly locked in. It's not like, oh, they're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of just seeing if it works out. No, they're absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>a couple. And I said to I've asked both of

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<v Speaker 1>them individually, like how did like, was this a conscious thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Like did you? And they're like, you know what, it

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<v Speaker 1>just it just works way better. Like we are head

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<v Speaker 1>over heels in love. We don't want anyone else, We

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<v Speaker 1>only want each other. But she said to me the

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<v Speaker 1>other day or the other week, I actually get excited

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<v Speaker 1>to see him when I haven't seen him for a

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<v Speaker 1>day or two. Right, I get excited. He gets excited.

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<v Speaker 1>We have date nights. It's fun. They've had like one

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<v Speaker 1>blue in ten years. And I'm like, that is so atypical.

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<v Speaker 1>But and again it's not a suggestion or a recommendation.

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<v Speaker 1>But you think, wow, that's not something a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people would even think about. But when you also think

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that some people not all you know,

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<v Speaker 1>five ten years in it's like groundhog Day and there

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like me who has spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time coaching, mentoring, teaching, working with people who are one

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<v Speaker 1>of two in a relationship, and those people so often

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<v Speaker 1>talk to me. Even when I was a trainer, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that my clients would talk to me about

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<v Speaker 1>most was not their carbs, their micros, macros, they're training,

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<v Speaker 1>their recovery. It was their relationships that was very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they talk to me about everything, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you said, what's at the top of the list, especially

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<v Speaker 1>once you're three or four months into the relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>a client, as in into the professional relationship, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you've kind of got the food sortage, you've got the

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<v Speaker 1>training sortage, you're in a routine, you've ticked all the boxes,

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<v Speaker 1>and then now they're on the journey and we've got

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good operating model for everything. Invariably, what I

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<v Speaker 1>would get, you know, told or spoken to about a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>was the shitty relationship that they were in, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh wow, and so yeah, it's but anyway, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I don't think there's a best way to

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<v Speaker 1>do almost anything. It's like, well, what's what's great for you?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's you know, even with me and I never

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<v Speaker 1>I never had a plan to be you know where

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<v Speaker 1>I am and single, But I didn't also have a

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<v Speaker 1>plan to go, well, by this age, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be married, I'm gonna have a wife, I'm gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>two kids. By that age, i'm gonna have a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of grants. Like, there wasn't an absolute plan and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>my life would have taken a different turn, and it

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<v Speaker 1>would have ended up very differently. But this is just

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<v Speaker 1>how it kind of ended up. And while I'm not saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the way that I live is the way

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<v Speaker 1>that anybody should live at all. But the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>people who like look at me with pity, like they're like, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Poor you, what a shit life you've got?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, yeah, poor you. You're sixty one and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have anyone somebody. I mean, I've had more than a

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<v Speaker 1>few people. And look, they may be right, who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>I've had more than a few people. Tell me you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to die lonely and miserable. I'm like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for the fucking thanks for the pep talk, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like somebody said to me recently, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get off this and we'll get onto your question. Sorry

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<v Speaker 1>for babbling for a bloke with a block, dear fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking a lot. Somebody said to me, what have

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<v Speaker 1>you got against relationships?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Like I've never in my life said that or

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<v Speaker 1>intimated that, or you know, I'm like, I have well, nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>My parents have been in a pretty good one for

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three years, and you know, most of my friends

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<v Speaker 1>my training partner is in a long term you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my best friends. And it's so funny they assume because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a partner, that I'm anti relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I think there's also those people that assume

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<v Speaker 2>that because you don't have a partner, that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have intimate relationships with other people, assuming that intimacy is

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<v Speaker 2>based purely on romance.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so true, so true.

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<v Speaker 2>I get the comment of you know, well, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have kids, so who's going to look after you when

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<v Speaker 2>you're old? Yeah, so I'm just bribing my niece to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure she's around when I'm old.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that's a good idea. I think bribing

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<v Speaker 1>nieces and nephews, keeping them cashed up, absolutely, making sure

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<v Speaker 1>you're the favorite. All right, So we got five questions

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<v Speaker 1>to go. We do, and thank you for installment one

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<v Speaker 1>and two. Let's see how we go. Let's see what

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<v Speaker 1>you got.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a question that I actually sent to

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<v Speaker 2>you in a message, and you said that you would

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<v Speaker 2>tell me when you saw me, And so now that

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking at me, I'm going to ask you, yea,

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<v Speaker 2>when did you stop equating your physicality with contentment or happiness?

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<v Speaker 1>Mm, So that is a really interesting question. I've spoken

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. You know. What was funny. I was at

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<v Speaker 1>the gym tonight. This is totally coincidental, and a guy

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<v Speaker 1>used to work for me. His name is Nigel Chamberlain,

0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Jambo Nige. You would have sent him. He's a bald,

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<v Speaker 1>good looking dude, six', three a o's couple of three

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<v Speaker 1>child care. Centers, anyway he was there tonight and we

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<v Speaker 1>were just, chatting and somebody else was there and they,

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<v Speaker 1>SAID i heard you used to Be they didn't say,

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<v Speaker 1>fat but they were, saying you, know like not in

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<v Speaker 1>the shape you're in. Now AND i, said, well ask

0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:15.080
<v Speaker 1>this bloke Because i've spoken before about being the fat

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<v Speaker 1>gym owner and you, know like knowing what to do

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<v Speaker 1>but not doing WHAT i know and telling and, Anyway

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<v Speaker 1>niger was talking about WHEN i first met. You SO

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<v Speaker 1>i was quite a high profile. TRAINER i owned multiple

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<v Speaker 1>gyms at that, STAGE i owned. THREE i was writing

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<v Speaker 1>for The Herald sun In, melbourne the. NEWSPAPER i was

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<v Speaker 1>writing for. MAGAZINES i was working with elite athletes AND

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<v Speaker 1>i was very strong AND i had lots of, muscle

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<v Speaker 1>BUT i was also out of, shape LIKE i HAD

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<v Speaker 1>i had lots of excess body, fat and we were

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<v Speaker 1>just talking about, that and, Like i've always had this, tempestuous,

0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:59.120
<v Speaker 1>tumultuous on, again off, again fucking love hate relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>food and myself and my you, know my body image

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<v Speaker 1>and body. Dysmorphia even WHEN i was in good, SHAPE

0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.560
<v Speaker 1>i THOUGHT i. WASN'T i, know this sounds, pathetic and

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<v Speaker 1>some people are, like oh my, GOD i get. IT

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<v Speaker 1>i get. It BUT i, remember you, know looking at

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<v Speaker 1>myself WHEN i was in like really good, shape WHEN

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<v Speaker 1>i was, younger and THINKING i looked like. Shit and

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<v Speaker 1>you know how so many people do. That you, know

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<v Speaker 1>generally it's more women than, men but it also can

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<v Speaker 1>be men, too. Obviously BUT i think for a long,

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<v Speaker 1>time because BECAUSE i grew, up you, know being the

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<v Speaker 1>fattest kid and all of that, STUFF i really sought

0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:50.160
<v Speaker 1>approval from not being the fat. Kid AND i saw

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<v Speaker 1>the consequence of me being the fat kid was not

0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.520
<v Speaker 1>having a, girlfriend not belonging to, groups not being socially,

0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:04.280
<v Speaker 1>connected not being highly regard, arded and so there were you,

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<v Speaker 1>know in my. Mind, anyway by the, way nobody was

0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.800
<v Speaker 1>actually really horrible to, me, RIGHT i, MEAN i did

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<v Speaker 1>get picked glass for sporting. Teams but that's literally BECAUSE

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<v Speaker 1>i was morbidly, obese AND i would not have been much, help,

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<v Speaker 1>Right but in my mind there are always these, psychological,

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<v Speaker 1>emotional and sociological, consequences all of these things THAT i equated, With,

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<v Speaker 1>well this bad shit is happening because of HOW i.

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<v Speaker 1>Look this bad shit is happening Because i'm. Fat this

0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.840
<v Speaker 1>bad shit is happening because you, know my name is

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<v Speaker 1>Literally jumbo at, school, Right so my fat body became my.

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<v Speaker 1>Name and THEN i got in. Shape now this is

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<v Speaker 1>this happens with a lot of. People Call SO i

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<v Speaker 1>got in, shape and then all of a, sudden my

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<v Speaker 1>social life opened. Up all of a. SUDDEN i got treated,

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<v Speaker 1>better all of a. SUDDEN i wasn't. EXCLUDED i was

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<v Speaker 1>included all of a, sudden you. Know and by the,

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<v Speaker 1>way it didn't happen in three, minutes BUT i went

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<v Speaker 1>from not being able to jog around the block to

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<v Speaker 1>being one of the fittest kids in the school BECAUSE

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<v Speaker 1>i trained like a. Maniac SO i got very, fit very,

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<v Speaker 1>strong you, know and for somebody with limited athletic, ABILITY

0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.800
<v Speaker 1>i became an okay. Athlete and then all of a,

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<v Speaker 1>SUDDEN i was playing. FOOTBALL i was playing in the.

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<v Speaker 1>SENIORS i was, playing you, know OR i was being

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<v Speaker 1>picked in the WHATEVER i was in under, fourteen under sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>TEAMS i was being picked in the TEAM i wasn't you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know and all of these great things in my mind

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<v Speaker 1>happened in these teen. Years and so you have this

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<v Speaker 1>correlation where you, go, oh WHEN i look like, that

0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.000
<v Speaker 1>all these bad things. Happen WHEN i look like, this

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<v Speaker 1>all these good things. Happen and so very MUCH i.

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<v Speaker 1>Was my identity and my body were very much, intertwined

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<v Speaker 1>AND i equated to the BETTER i, looked whatever that,

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<v Speaker 1>meant the BETTER i get, treated the more LOVED i,

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<v Speaker 1>am the more VALUED i, am the more POPULAR i,

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<v Speaker 1>am the more DESIRED i, am the more all of these,

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<v Speaker 1>things WHICH i know all come out of fear and

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<v Speaker 1>insecurity and all of that. Stuff but, SORRY i know

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<v Speaker 1>this is a very long.

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<v Speaker 2>Answer it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>For me That i'm going to. SAY i don't struggle

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<v Speaker 1>with it. Today But i'm still going to, say while

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<v Speaker 1>my priority is my health and my health, span, lifespan

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<v Speaker 1>my immune, system my level of, function cutovascular, health physical, health,

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<v Speaker 1>bundensity muscular, health all of those, things they're my. Priorities

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<v Speaker 1>BUT i still care sometimes too much about HOW i.

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<v Speaker 1>Look If i'm being, HONEST i don't want to say, that,

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<v Speaker 1>Right but nothing like WHAT i used To. Like i'm

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<v Speaker 1>well aware that you, Know i'm a sixty year Old

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<v Speaker 1>blokou's in not bad. Shape you, KNOW i get. That

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<v Speaker 1>But i'm way more interested In like that used to

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<v Speaker 1>be my, Priority but these, Days i'm way more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in training my brain than my, mind my brain than my.

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<v Speaker 1>Body i'm more interested, in way more interested in WHO

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<v Speaker 1>i am as a person rather than HOW i look

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<v Speaker 1>as a. Person, yeah but it's really only WHEN i

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<v Speaker 1>got through. THAT i don't THINK i got through that real, manic,

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<v Speaker 1>obsessive almost, addictive BECAUSE i think people who are really

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<v Speaker 1>down the rabbit hole with eating disorders and body dysmorphia

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<v Speaker 1>and you, know that whole kind of, irrational emotional kind

0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:56.600
<v Speaker 1>of behavior that goes on around, food hidden, behaviors, lying you,

0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:58.240
<v Speaker 1>know all that stuff THAT i, did all of. That

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<v Speaker 1>it's very similar to the behavior and the thinking of

0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:09.479
<v Speaker 1>people who struggle with. Addiction because you're lying to yourself and.

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<v Speaker 1>Others you're pretending that you're not doing all this shit

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<v Speaker 1>that you're. Doing and when people are, watching you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of behave a certain way when people are not, watching you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know so for, ME i don't THINK i got through that,

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<v Speaker 1>dark kind of, shitty addictive period TILL i was about thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Five SO i would Say i've, been you, know somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in the ballpark of much healthier and much more logical

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<v Speaker 1>and reasonable for the last twenty five years or. So

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<v Speaker 1>but you, KNOW i think all of us still NEED

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<v Speaker 1>i don't Reckon there's many people THAT i know that

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<v Speaker 1>at some stage are not a bit irrational about their,

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<v Speaker 1>body even people that are super, smart you, know super.

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<v Speaker 1>Qualified the amount of you, know men and women THAT

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<v Speaker 1>i know That i've worked with who have an, obsessive

0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:08.000
<v Speaker 1>unhealthy preoccupation with one their appearance and to what they

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<v Speaker 1>think people think of their, appearance it's a huge number of.

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<v Speaker 2>People huge put my hand up for, that, Absolutely and

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<v Speaker 2>that's WHY i asked you that, question because it was

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<v Speaker 2>something that was definitely going through my mind at the,

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<v Speaker 2>time and that came from a journey of losing a

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<v Speaker 2>fair bit of weight and then getting into the their

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<v Speaker 2>headspace of oh my, GOD i can't let that go back.

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<v Speaker 2>On mainly FROM i would say eighty percent from a health,

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<v Speaker 2>perspective and then absolutely, honest honestly twenty percent from A

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<v Speaker 2>i love fitting into all of the clothes THAT i

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<v Speaker 2>really enjoy fitting.

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<v Speaker 1>Into, now of, course how much weight do you will?

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<v Speaker 1>Take did you lose.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten?

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<v Speaker 1>Kilos, yeah and you're not you're not a so that's

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<v Speaker 1>quite like you're reasonably with love and kindness and. Respect

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<v Speaker 1>you're kind of, little so that's quite a lot of. Weight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah but here's here's the other. Thing think about, THIS.

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<v Speaker 1>Celp so we can simultaneously know two. Things we can know, that,

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<v Speaker 1>hey all this Bullshit i'm doing with food and the

0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:23.679
<v Speaker 1>successive exercise and the obsession with you, know buying a

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<v Speaker 1>million clothes and all of, that we can simultaneously know

0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:32.240
<v Speaker 1>that that's kind of unhealthy and toxic and. Disempowering and

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<v Speaker 1>also know that, sadly, culturally the better you, look the

0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:42.200
<v Speaker 1>better you get treated to a, point right for. Sure

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.440
<v Speaker 1>so there's all of these especially for, kids that's fucking.

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<v Speaker 1>Terrifying if you're a gorgeous teenager or young person twenties even,

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<v Speaker 1>thirties and you're online and you're, beautiful AND i mean

0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:56.399
<v Speaker 1>men and, women you're a beautiful look and, dude a

0:23:56.400 --> 0:24:01.119
<v Speaker 1>beautiful looking, lady and you're going to get lots of.

0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Attention then all of a, sudden you're getting all of this.

0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.199
<v Speaker 1>Dopamine you're getting all of this kind of brain candy

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:08.520
<v Speaker 1>because people are, Going oh my, god you're so, gorgeous

0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 1>you're so, gorgeous you're so, jacked you're so. Amazing oh

0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:14.080
<v Speaker 1>look at you, girl so. Beautiful look at you, Dude

0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:16.560
<v Speaker 1>you're oh. Wow, right and then this light's all run

0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:20.440
<v Speaker 1>up like A christmas. Tree, well that's. Addictive that's, addictive.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is and you think, about like how many people have

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:31.240
<v Speaker 1>got An instagram, page and let's say there's two thousand

0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:35.200
<v Speaker 1>images on their, page and one thousand of those images

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<v Speaker 1>or of, them, yeah in some kind of, pose if

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:45.080
<v Speaker 1>not more LIKE i. Saw it doesn't. Matter somebody THAT

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<v Speaker 1>i know and they Their instagram page come across like

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<v Speaker 1>this PERSON i personally. Know i'll just say not male or,

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:57.719
<v Speaker 1>FEMALE i won't, say but there are. Pretty you, know

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 1>they're a very attractive. Person nearly every, photo nearly every

0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 1>photo was of them. Posing i'm, like it does nothing

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:12.720
<v Speaker 1>when you look at your page and that's just like

0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:17.040
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of pictures of your, Face like we know what

0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:20.880
<v Speaker 1>you look. Like this one is like yesterday's, one it's

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 1>like Last you don't have a new. Face we've seen.

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 1>It and, yes you're amazing and you're beautiful or you're,

0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 1>handsome and yes you've got a good. Body BUT i

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 1>think a thousand pictures of you is? Enough like, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>like what drives? That like the? Psychology And i'm not

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to sound Like i'm being hateful or. Hurtful i'm definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Not i'm fascinated with how when you look at Your

0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>instagram page and there's hundreds of pictures of you and

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 1>then you, Go i'm going to take another picture of me?

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Today like why.

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<v Speaker 2>Why they're not looking at themselves though they're looking at

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 2>the likes and the follows and potentially how you, know

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:03.159
<v Speaker 2>them making money out of? It so or maybe they

0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 2>are looking at. Themselves who, Knows maybe they are if

0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 2>they're posting that many.

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Selfies CAN i say that we've only done one? Question

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:10.679
<v Speaker 1>AND i blame?

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 2>You, WELL i am during the book of the.

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:17.119
<v Speaker 1>Talking, no you're definitely. NOT i totally blame. Me all,

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<v Speaker 1>right let's go question.

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<v Speaker 2>Two question, two what's next after THE?

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 1>PhD that is a good, question and this is Not

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:32.120
<v Speaker 1>i'm not even been. Funny what's after THE PhD within

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 1>a month is a? Puppy, yes a. Puppy. FUCK i

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:41.920
<v Speaker 1>just need a puppy in my. LIFE i need some

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:45.920
<v Speaker 1>little cute thing just THAT i can love and can love.

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:47.040
<v Speaker 3>Me AND.

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:51.959
<v Speaker 1>I love. Dogs i've had three dogs in my life

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 1>AND i haven't had a dog for quite a. While

0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:59.280
<v Speaker 1>and last TIME i got a dog wasn't really my.

0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Dog it WASN'T i didn't really think it. Through SO

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 1>i applied for a blind a guide dog to, be you,

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 1>know a kind of a, trainer and they live with

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 1>you for about ten. Months and between WHEN i applied

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>and when they rang me and went, hey we've got

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 1>a puppy was a year and a. Half and my

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.400
<v Speaker 1>life was very different a year and a half, later

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>AND i almost went no BECAUSE i was just traveling so,

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:29.439
<v Speaker 1>much you, know AND i should have said. No BUT

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:31.360
<v Speaker 1>i had the puppy for a few months AND i had.

0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>TO i had to take him back because with those

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.919
<v Speaker 1>guide dogs, anyway, yeah you need. To you need to

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 1>spend most of your time with. Them and it was my.

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Dad he was fucking. BEAUTIFUL i loved, him and there

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 1>was that there was LIKE i. Was so that year

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 1>WHEN i got, HIM i did something like one hundred

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and thirty presentations WHERE i had to you, know a

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of them were into, state So i'm. Traveling THEN

0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 1>i need to get someone to mind, him and it's

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:02.639
<v Speaker 1>a nightmare AND i. CAN'T i couldn't give him WHAT

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.520
<v Speaker 1>i needed to give him or what he. Deserves so

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 1>they found somebody, else which had a lot more time

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 1>THAN i. Did but with my next, puppy that won't

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 1>be the. Case So i'm going to get a, puppy

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.919
<v Speaker 1>AND i might DO i might do some kind of

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>more casual or informal, research BUT i really need to more,

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>IMPORTANTLY i really need to focus on the business for

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:36.440
<v Speaker 1>a year or two or, three Because i've really not neglected.

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 1>It but you, know so LIKE i used to do

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 1>somewhere between ten and fifteen like public events Around australia every,

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Year australia And New. Zealand i'm talking about open to

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the public. WORKSHOPS i hardly do any of those anymore

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>just because of all the Stuff i'm, Doing So i'd

0:28:56.200 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 1>like to do more of, those and, yeah just probably

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>chill out.

0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 2>A little, Bit, yeah fair. Enough will it be a rescue. Puppy,

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 2>yeah probably it'll LOOK i.

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 4>LOVE i love labbies because IF i was a, Dog

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 4>i'd be a labby BECAUSE i love food AND i

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 4>like being cuddled and licking people and.

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Not really the last, one of, course and SO i love.

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 1>LABBIES i Love Golden, retrievers BUT i Love i'm more

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:40.720
<v Speaker 1>a medium sized dog person than a LITTLE i like all, dogs,

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>right there's not a dog THAT i don't, like but, yeah,

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 1>probably BUT i Think i'll get a rescue. Dog AND

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>i Think i'll just go with no real plan and

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>just see WHO i fall in love.

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 2>With that's. Exciting, yeah, Yeah so.

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 1>That's that's my POST. PhD and that hopefully will. Happen,

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>well all of my work will be handed in Before,

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 1>christmas and then you, know you go back and forth

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>with different you, know where you write something and then

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 1>it gets reviewed and revised and then your supervisors send it.

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Back And i'm going back and forth at the moment

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 1>with my literature, Review systematic Literature. Review another paper That

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 1>i've written has been sent off for potential. Publication but

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you send something off to an academic journal and you

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 1>basically sit on your hands until they say yes or,

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>no which could be six, months and they could in

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>six months just send you a two word or a

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 1>two line email saying nah thanks. Anyway so there's a

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 1>fair bit of, uncertainty but hopefully all of the work

0:30:57.560 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 1>THAT i need to do will be done in the

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:03.440
<v Speaker 1>next few months and then, yeah with a little bit of,

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:07.880
<v Speaker 1>luck i'll be Doctor harps somewhere Around, Christmas New year

0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:12.479
<v Speaker 1>or a bit. BEYOND i don't. Know we'll see what. Happens. Fantastic, yeah,

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 1>yeah all, right too, down it's free to. Go i'll

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 1>see IF i can speed it up a little.

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Bit all, right let's. Go you have the opportunity to

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 2>interview anyone dead or. Alive who is it and? Why?

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah this IS i, MEAN i don't, know LIKE i really, like,

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 1>UH i actually read this. QUESTION i THOUGHT i need

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 1>to think about this because, like there are so many

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>like modern day people THAT i WOULD i would like

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 1>to chat with that other people go what the fuck

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 1>is wrong with? You Like i'd love to chat With Ricky.

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Gervais oh, GREAT i know he polarizes, people BUT i

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 1>FUCKING i think he's all. Right Joe, rogan same polarizes.

0:31:54.720 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 1>PEOPLE i get. It, uh you, know like Mother. Teresa

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 1>BUT i MEAN i grew up my. Mum my mum's

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 1>like More catholic than the. Pope, Right SO i grew

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 1>up with all of these saints in my kind of.

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Life but IF i can't give you, One BUT i,

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:21.320
<v Speaker 1>mean OBVIOUSLY i don't know how we'd go on a.

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Podcast But jesus would be. Good he'd be good to chat.

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 2>To he, would you, KNOW.

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't mind interviewing Sid Arthur. Gutwama do you know

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 1>who he?

0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 2>IS i don't The, Buddha, OKAY.

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't mind chatting with The. Buddha he was around

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 1>about half a millennium Before. Jesus he was around five

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 1>one HUNDRED bc or something like. That. Uh Marcus, Aurelius

0:32:56.560 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 1>he's like my favorite stoic because he was actually like

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 1>an emperor slash king slash Philosopher roman. Emperor he wrote

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>a very famous book Called, meditations which was he wrote

0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 1>that as like a private journal of reflection to, himself

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 1>and then people got a hold of it and it got,

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>out and he was like this rare example of immense

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>power combined with absolute humility and self reflection and. Restraint

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 1>so he lived a really like he was really a

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 1>person who lived of service in, service despite the fact

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 1>that he could have had and done anything he, wanted

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 1>so he lived a stoic life under. Pressure so any

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 1>of those and also for obvious. REASONS i, MEAN i

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 1>would love to chat With. OPRAH i find PEOPLE i

0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:00.720
<v Speaker 1>don't love everything About, oprah BUT i like a lot about,

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 1>her AND i, think you, know it's like all of

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>those people, like, yeah there's there's pros and, cons But

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 1>oprah has done some amazing shit and for you, know

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>when you hear her, backstory and, YEAH i just think

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 1>she'd Be But i'd like to get through the public

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 1>super Polished, oprah you, know like she's so, polished she's

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 1>so good at, television she's so good at being in

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 1>front of the. Camera i'd love to just fucking mess

0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:32.839
<v Speaker 1>her hair up a little bit and just just hang

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 1>out with, her you, know, no no, Cameras, NO i,

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:39.880
<v Speaker 1>MEAN i know you can't really do that in an,

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 1>interview but, yeah i'd like. To i'd like to interview

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 1>The oprah behind the, camera behind the, mic behind the.

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Persona i'd love to chat to that.

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:56.320
<v Speaker 2>One, YEAH i imagine what that what that real version

0:34:56.360 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 2>of her is, like and it's hard to imagine, also

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:03.399
<v Speaker 2>given that she has been in the public eye for

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 2>so long and she has got this distinct persona where everything's,

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 2>happy everything's. Great sometimes she'll ask those probing. QUESTIONS i

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 2>wonder has that begun to blend and if there is

0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:19.799
<v Speaker 2>a real version of her that's just at home with

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.040
<v Speaker 2>her feed up and you, know a cup of, tea

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 2>binging On, netflix.

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Yes, interesting eating some chocolate and patting a. Dog. Yeah,

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Look and that's no. DISRESPECT i, mean she's a fucking.

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Weapon she's. Incredible like her, success what she's, done it's. Amazing,

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely BUT i feel like that version of her everyone's,

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 1>met you. Know and it's not to say that's disingenuous at.

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 1>ALL i think she's an incredibly gifted. Communicator BUT i

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:52.360
<v Speaker 1>don't want to talk to that version of. HER i

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 1>want to talk to the, barefoot no, makeup messy, hair you,

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 1>know feels a bit full from. DINNER i want to

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 1>talk to that, version you. KNOW i want to talk

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 1>to that could be a little bit grumpy in the,

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 1>interview you, know that, one you. Know but, anyway so

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>that's my answer question for kel question.

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Four, okay what is something like one thing in the

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 2>course of your. PhD that has absolutely surprised.

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:27.799
<v Speaker 1>You, YEAH i, think and this surprises a lot of.

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>People so keeping in mind That i'm doing a PhD in, psychology,

0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Right but what people don't really get is that you're

0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 1>it's like you're. Researching it's like you're researching a drop

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 1>of water in a thousand oceans of what there is

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:52.160
<v Speaker 1>to know about human behavior and people and. Psychology so

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 1>when you do you, know like when you do an

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 1>undergrad in, psychology you're learning broadly about human behavior in

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 1>different styles of you, know profiling personalities and all of

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 1>these myriad of, things says the bloke who's never done

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:09.120
<v Speaker 1>an undergrad in, Psychology, Right but when when you do

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>a research based PhD in psych like, me you design

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 1>and implement and create and execute all of your own,

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 1>research and you are examining one very very very specific,

0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:31.760
<v Speaker 1>thing and you are trying to basically fill a hole

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:35.240
<v Speaker 1>or a gap in the. Science and so even though

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:41.319
<v Speaker 1>you Know i'll come out with a doctorate in, psychology you,

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:43.319
<v Speaker 1>know it's, like, oh he's got a PhD in human.

0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Psychology it's, like, yeah but of all the things that

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:52.200
<v Speaker 1>fall under the banner of, Psychology i'm not studying almost

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 1>all of, them do you know WHAT i? Mean and

0:37:55.320 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>so when it comes, to you, know my very specific

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:04.560
<v Speaker 1>topic of meta, accuracy which is understanding how people see me,

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 1>you understanding how people see, you you, know and that

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 1>my hierarchy of thought That i've said many, times mentioned

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:15.200
<v Speaker 1>many times on, here which is, metacognition which is thinking about.

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Thinking and then the next one up is theory of.

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Mind as we're climbing the cognitive, pyramid the next one

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>is theory of, mind which is thinking about or having

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>an insight into how other people. Think and then the

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>next one, up which is my area of, research which

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:34.120
<v Speaker 1>is meta, accuracy which is understanding how people see, you

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 1>think about, you perceive, you experience. You and at the

0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:40.560
<v Speaker 1>top of that is really my research, focus which is,

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 1>metaaccuracy which is understanding how good you are at that right.

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Now this is an incredibly specific, construct a very, specific

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 1>finite area of. Research and so then you go into

0:38:56.680 --> 0:39:00.239
<v Speaker 1>that space and you look at all the others search

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 1>that's been done in that, area and you, you you,

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:06.880
<v Speaker 1>know you try to build on, that you try to develop,

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that and you try to find gaps in. That so

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:13.959
<v Speaker 1>my long winded answer is What i've learned a lot

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 1>is how to do research at a high. Level but

0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 1>HAVE i? DO i know a huge amount more broadly

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 1>speaking about human behavior than five and a half years

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 1>ago WHEN i. Started, No, No. No in, fact most

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:35.279
<v Speaker 1>of my understanding of how people work and think and

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:37.719
<v Speaker 1>behave and act and react and do life and do,

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:42.120
<v Speaker 1>relationships most of that is really just from paying attention

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 1>for forty. Years, yeah you, know so a PhD teaches

0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:51.480
<v Speaker 1>you the kind of PhD i'm, doing teaches you how

0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:52.279
<v Speaker 1>to do high level.

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Research it's almost very full. Circle given your answer before

0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:04.360
<v Speaker 2>about how you were the fat kid who then realized

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:06.840
<v Speaker 2>that you, know once you lost that, weight that people

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:10.080
<v Speaker 2>had this different perception of you because you looked. Better

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 2>that you then are now studying what it is to

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 2>understand how people think about, you and how accurately you

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 2>understand what people think about, you given where you come.

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 1>From, well that is that is very fucking, Insightful Kelly,

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Smith BECAUSE i was the person who used to worry

0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot about what people thought of him and HOW

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:40.359
<v Speaker 1>i was perceived by others and whether or not they

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:44.399
<v Speaker 1>liked me or wanted to connect with, me OR i don't,

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>know THOUGHT i was a, dickhead or THOUGHT i was

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:50.960
<v Speaker 1>a good, guy or so BECAUSE i was widely insecure

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and fearful and you know all the other. Stuff, YEAH

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 1>i worried a lot about. That and it is very

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 1>interesting that all these years, Later i'm now, doing you,

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>know high level research in understanding how people actually see,

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 1>me understanding that kind of metacognitive sorry that met a

0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:20.840
<v Speaker 1>perceptive kind of skill or. Trait but also that is

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 1>true what you're, saying and maybe that was the genesis

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:29.400
<v Speaker 1>for my. Curiosity but ALSO i truly believe. THIS i

0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:32.839
<v Speaker 1>believe that being able to one understand how others, think

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:37.720
<v Speaker 1>which most people don't think about. MUCH i, mean really think,

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:41.719
<v Speaker 1>about what is it like being Inside kelly's? Mind IF

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.440
<v Speaker 1>i looked at the world Through kelly's, window what AM

0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:48.279
<v Speaker 1>i seeing right? Now what Is kelly? Feeling how Is

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>kelly on this podcast in this, Moment and then for

0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 1>me to have some insight and some awareness and some

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:59.280
<v Speaker 1>understanding of that for you and me in real, time

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:03.120
<v Speaker 1>knowing THAT i am not having probably anything like the

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 1>experience you are currently, having despite the fact that we're

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:10.480
<v Speaker 1>both kind of doing the same, Thing we're both on

0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:14.920
<v Speaker 1>the you project at six point fifty one On wednesday,

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 1>night and we're both talking on zoom and we're both

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:23.480
<v Speaker 1>doing a version of the exact same. Thing and then you,

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:26.560
<v Speaker 1>know being able to in real time understand That kelly's

0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 1>not in my, Reality i'm not In kelly's, reality and

0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 1>also then to have enough curiosity and empathy and hopefully

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:38.640
<v Speaker 1>awareness to try to at least be curious about interested

0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:44.879
<v Speaker 1>in understanding how you're going right, now what you're thinking right,

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:49.360
<v Speaker 1>now what you're feeling right. Now because IF, i or

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:53.720
<v Speaker 1>anyone in real, TIME i can understand the individual reality

0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 1>of the person in front of, ME i can understand

0:42:57.680 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 1>to an extent how they see the, world or how

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 1>they see that, conversation or how they see, themselves or

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:05.360
<v Speaker 1>how they see. Me in other, WORDS i can tap

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 1>into what they're currently, thinking, feeling or experiencing to some.

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Extent THEN i open a door of connection and rapport

0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and trust and engagement THAT i can't open without that.

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Knowledge right If i've got no idea how you, Think

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.960
<v Speaker 1>If i've got no idea of What kelly's, about or

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:31.239
<v Speaker 1>what drives her or motivates her or scares her or excites,

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 1>her If i've got no, idea Then i'm you, know

0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:38.560
<v Speaker 1>in terms of, Socialization i'm just guessing in a conversation.

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 2>And probably still worrying about what people think about, you.

0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah. Yeah and you, know there's a Concept i've

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:51.120
<v Speaker 1>spoken about probably ten times called the false consensus. Effect

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:52.960
<v Speaker 1>you've heard me say. That do you remember what it?

0:43:53.040 --> 0:44:00.360
<v Speaker 3>IS i, don't, Right the false consensus effect is just

0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:03.480
<v Speaker 3>the fact that we think that other people think like.

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Us we automatically assume. That so we automatically, assume for,

0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:12.799
<v Speaker 1>example That i'm saying something to you and my intention is,

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Good so Therefore kelly's experience of WHAT i said will be.

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Good So i'm assuming you think like, me Whereas kelly

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:26.720
<v Speaker 1>might be thinking totally. Different So kelly's experience of my good,

0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:32.439
<v Speaker 1>Intention kelly's experience is, bad, Yep BECAUSE i, said, hey

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:34.520
<v Speaker 1>da da da da, da which was meant to be,

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 1>whatever some positive feedback or, something and for, you the

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:44.719
<v Speaker 1>experience is unwanted, feedback it's, judgment it's somehow for, you

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 1>it was, criticism or it was some kind of you,

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:51.880
<v Speaker 1>know whatever from me that you didn't, want didn't, need didn't,

0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 1>expect didn't. Enjoy And i'm over here In, craigland assuming

0:44:57.120 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 1>That kelly's In, craigland all good bet at, eight you,

0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:07.920
<v Speaker 1>know and THAT i think being able to understand how

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:10.200
<v Speaker 1>other people, think And i've said this many, times not

0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:13.319
<v Speaker 1>agree with, them not align with, them but understand how

0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 1>other people think is a fucking interpersonal. Superpower if you're

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 1>in a position of, teaching, coaching, leading managing people and

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:28.960
<v Speaker 1>you're not interested in how your people, THINK i was

0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:30.520
<v Speaker 1>going to, say you're a fucking. Idiot that's a bit.

0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:33.840
<v Speaker 1>HARSH i won't say, that But i'll just say you

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 1>should probably get.

0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:37.479
<v Speaker 2>Interested, yeah or maybe you're in the wrong. Job.

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:45.280
<v Speaker 1>WELL i Mean i've literally Had i've said to leaders

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:50.200
<v Speaker 1>cow When i've gone into, companies what do you think

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:54.839
<v Speaker 1>it's like being around you for your? Team And i've,

0:45:54.920 --> 0:46:00.719
<v Speaker 1>had admittedly mostly men SAY i don't. CARE i don't

0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:02.239
<v Speaker 1>care if they like it or. Not they're here to

0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:04.879
<v Speaker 1>do a. Job i'm not their. Friend i'm not trying

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:07.320
<v Speaker 1>to be their. Friend i've got a, job they've got a,

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 1>job And i'm, like you're the dumbest motherfucker. Ever you,

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 1>know if you don't understand the importance of, connection, communication,

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:20.560
<v Speaker 1>culture you, know valuing people like even, if, firstly don't

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:23.120
<v Speaker 1>do it this, way but even if you're just doing

0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:27.120
<v Speaker 1>it because it's good for, business we'll fucking do, it you,

0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:31.080
<v Speaker 1>know like the THE i mean not many, times but

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 1>probably five times over the. Years and usually it's you,

0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>know somebody who's you, know close to the narcissistic end

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 1>of the old, scale you, know the, sociopathic, narcissistic ego.

0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:51.879
<v Speaker 1>Maniacal it's my way of the. Highway but also that

0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.319
<v Speaker 1>for whatever, reason quite a lot of those people end

0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:56.279
<v Speaker 1>up in positions of.

0:46:56.360 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Leadership, absolutely and they are delightful, though aren't. They but

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:06.240
<v Speaker 2>enough about?

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Me what do you think about? Me a bit of?

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:13.279
<v Speaker 2>That? Absolutely, yeah the best leader That i've, had she

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 2>said to, me if EVER i had the opportunity to

0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:20.320
<v Speaker 2>lead a team of, people she, Said, look majority of

0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:22.040
<v Speaker 2>people can do the, job but they can learn the

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 2>skills to do the work that is. Required what you

0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:27.880
<v Speaker 2>need to do is get to know them as a human.

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Being so that, is go for a coffee with, them

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:33.080
<v Speaker 2>go for a walk with, them see what it is

0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:36.359
<v Speaker 2>that makes them tick outside of. Work if you get that,

0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:41.040
<v Speaker 2>downpat then the actual skills of the, job no.

0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Worries, yeah one d per AND i know it's really

0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 1>basic and. Fundamental but if the people that work with,

0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:52.080
<v Speaker 1>you alongside, you for, you under, you above, whatever if

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:55.319
<v Speaker 1>they like. YOU i know this is real, basic but

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:58.560
<v Speaker 1>if they like, you guess what they're going to enjoy

0:47:58.600 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 1>working with.

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:00.680
<v Speaker 2>You like?

0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:02.640
<v Speaker 1>You you don't have to be their best. Friend but

0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:06.080
<v Speaker 1>don't be an. Asshole that should be like fucking rule.

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:08.880
<v Speaker 1>One don't be an. Asshole, yeah we know you. Clever

0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:11.520
<v Speaker 1>we know you've got a fucking master's in. Business da

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 1>da da. Da we know that you used to work

0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:16.000
<v Speaker 1>at that. Company we know you're on five hundred grand a.

0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Year well, done. Champ don't be an.

0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Asshole, Absolutely, look this is something That i've been talking

0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:24.319
<v Speaker 2>about with a friend and we used to kind of,

0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:27.839
<v Speaker 2>say you, know just come, in be, nice it's all that's.

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Required but even, that now it's literally just don't be an.

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Asshole totally.

0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Understand we're on the same. Page all, right home? Straight

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 1>what have we?

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:43.759
<v Speaker 2>Got home? Straight this is very. Philosophical for the last,

0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:47.080
<v Speaker 2>question oh, yeah it's sad and.

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:47.879
<v Speaker 1>Reflective this.

0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:53.879
<v Speaker 2>Question, YEAH i thought it was quite quite, deep which

0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 2>is WHY i included. It, so if you died, tomorrow

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:02.920
<v Speaker 2>what is the one thing you want people to remember you.

0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 1>For, YEAH i don't. KNOW i, mean like some of

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the like sometimes you, know when your answer is it's

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 1>not it's not, exciting it's not an impressive, answer but

0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:21.000
<v Speaker 1>it's the. Answer like sometimes with these, QUESTIONS i feel,

0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:25.160
<v Speaker 1>like And i'm not going to but OH i need

0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:27.880
<v Speaker 1>to say something like fucking mesmerizing and people, go oh my,

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:30.880
<v Speaker 1>god that was so. Profound kelly asked him, this and

0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:35.360
<v Speaker 1>he went that and fucking let's write that. DOWN a

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:40.279
<v Speaker 1>good one would be he wasn't an. Asshole yeah that

0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:47.279
<v Speaker 1>on my termstone wasn't an asshole in. Brackets, MOSTLY i

0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:51.719
<v Speaker 1>MEAN i would like people, to you, know remember. That, like,

0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:58.520
<v Speaker 1>honestly this is going to sound not in A i

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:02.640
<v Speaker 1>don't really. CARE i, MEAN i care about what people

0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:04.680
<v Speaker 1>think of me When i'm, gone but Like i'm going

0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:07.680
<v Speaker 1>to be, GONE i care more about the impact that

0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the ongoing impact THAT i might have in their lives

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:14.560
<v Speaker 1>as a result of them being you, know connected to

0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 1>me in some. WAY i GUESS i would want people

0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:24.719
<v Speaker 1>to remember me for being a good student and. Teacher like,

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:29.000
<v Speaker 1>no somebody who wasn't you, know super, gifted talented or,

0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:35.000
<v Speaker 1>special but did the best with what he, had somebody

0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:38.840
<v Speaker 1>who was you, know, flawed but spent his life trying

0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:42.120
<v Speaker 1>to be better than he's, bullshit you know that kind of.

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:46.200
<v Speaker 1>STUFF i GUESS i don't and this Is i'm not

0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:48.880
<v Speaker 1>fishing here at. All BUT i think my listeners know.

0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:53.440
<v Speaker 1>This LIKE i don't have an overwhelming opinion of myself at.

0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:55.440
<v Speaker 1>All and.

0:50:57.320 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 2>You, know.

0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:03.840
<v Speaker 1>When people, are you, know critical of, me which they

0:51:03.920 --> 0:51:07.480
<v Speaker 1>have every right to, be it's LIKE i feel like, going, Hey,

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.880
<v Speaker 1>champ get in the, Queue like you could not be

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:14.080
<v Speaker 1>more critical of me THAN i am of. Me so

0:51:14.760 --> 0:51:16.560
<v Speaker 1>BUT i hope people THINK i was a good. GUY

0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:19.480
<v Speaker 1>i had good. Intentions for the most, PART i did

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:21.719
<v Speaker 1>good THINGS i. Had MAYBE i left a little bit

0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:28.480
<v Speaker 1>of an impact and maybe that'll trickle. Down but you,

0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Know i'm also what's the, WORD i don't know what

0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:33.279
<v Speaker 1>is the? Word there's a, word it's not coming to.

0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Mind but you, know there's eight billion people in the.

0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:40.760
<v Speaker 1>World we've been around for three hundred thousand. Years nobody's

0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:44.000
<v Speaker 1>going to miss. Me there's about six people who'll be

0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 1>sad till Fucking, THURSDAY, avo and then that's. It i'm

0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:49.880
<v Speaker 1>very practical and realistic like.

0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:53.560
<v Speaker 2>THAT i think you might be wrong, there but it

0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:59.440
<v Speaker 2>is such a lovely thing to want for people to

0:51:59.840 --> 0:52:02.719
<v Speaker 2>like for you to still have that, Impact and it's

0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:04.960
<v Speaker 2>probably something that you're not even aware of that you

0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:08.319
<v Speaker 2>have that impact even when people aren't engaging with what

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:10.360
<v Speaker 2>it is that you do on a daily, Basis like

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:14.480
<v Speaker 2>they might have seen a, whiteboard you, know on a scroll,

0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:16.400
<v Speaker 2>session or they might, have you, know listened to a

0:52:16.400 --> 0:52:20.120
<v Speaker 2>podcast here or. There, YEAH i think you might be.

0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Surprised well, maybe but don't tell me that Or i'll

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:29.120
<v Speaker 1>get a fat head and Well i'll be in. Trouble, hey,

0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:31.719
<v Speaker 1>kel you. SURVIVED i. Survived my ear still, blocked BUT

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:34.000
<v Speaker 1>i think for a bloke with a blocked, EAR i

0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:36.520
<v Speaker 1>actually did all. Right it's not OFTEN i give myself a.

0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Wrap thank you so much for doing, This thanks for

0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:43.880
<v Speaker 1>putting up your. Hand how have you enjoyed?

0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:49.839
<v Speaker 2>It it's been. Amazing I'VE i really loved. It i've

0:52:49.920 --> 0:52:54.080
<v Speaker 2>felt very very selfish That i've been able to ask

0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:57.520
<v Speaker 2>all of these questions of, you like completely, uninterrupted like

0:52:57.640 --> 0:53:00.480
<v Speaker 2>so not at a conference and you, know battling with

0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:02.839
<v Speaker 2>other people WHERE i would not have put my hand

0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:04.720
<v Speaker 2>up IF i had to stand up in the. Crowd

0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:09.080
<v Speaker 2>that is not. Me so to be able to HAVE i,

0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:12.719
<v Speaker 2>guess you, know a free go at asking WHAT i.

0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Wanted it's been really really fun and certainly dragged me

0:53:17.080 --> 0:53:19.560
<v Speaker 2>out of my comfort, zone which is.

0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:23.439
<v Speaker 1>Great, well you're definitely. NOT i, MEAN i Think i'm

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:26.440
<v Speaker 1>right WHEN i say you're not an, extrovert right close

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:31.839
<v Speaker 1>to the introvert end of the. Scale i'm actually surprised

0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:35.120
<v Speaker 1>that you And i'm grateful And i'm. Glad it's LIKE

0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:41.720
<v Speaker 1>i think it's you, know it's encouraging for others because

0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:48.000
<v Speaker 1>you're not naturally the, loud attention seeking. Extroverty like if,

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:51.560
<v Speaker 1>anything WHEN i used to see you at the gym years,

0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Ago i'm, like that girl is painfully. Shy, Yes AND

0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:00.799
<v Speaker 1>i tried not to be the big, intimiday you, know

0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:07.359
<v Speaker 1>and SO i was conscious about not overwhelming you but

0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 1>also being you, know hopefully whatever it was that would

0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:17.640
<v Speaker 1>make you feel comfortable interacting with me for twenty seconds

0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:22.239
<v Speaker 1>or three minutes at the, gym you, know because you're again, like,

0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 1>yeah we're very, different but, yeah you did a good.

0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Job did you learn?

0:54:27.320 --> 0:54:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Anything like absolutely, ABSOLUTELY i learned a lot more about,

0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:40.759
<v Speaker 2>you and you, know it's it's very different asking the

0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:45.840
<v Speaker 2>questions and listening to particularly like some of the things

0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.080
<v Speaker 2>when you, KNOW i thought WHEN i asked, you what would,

0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:49.799
<v Speaker 2>be you, know the one exercise you could, do and

0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:51.840
<v Speaker 2>then you came up with. Surfing that's it's still just

0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:56.640
<v Speaker 2>stuck in my. Mind, yeah there's been a lot That i've.

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<v Speaker 2>Learned the more in depth information that you were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about tonight with what you've learned from your, PhD, like

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<v Speaker 2>that's all very, exciting AND i hope that once you're,

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<v Speaker 2>done you share that in a way that is easy

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<v Speaker 2>for you, know the everyday listener to digest because it's incredibly.

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<v Speaker 2>FASCINATING i didn't realize that you'd want to interview a Barefoot.

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<v Speaker 2>Oprah that was. Surprising BUT i can picture, it can

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely picture.

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<v Speaker 1>It, barefoot messy, hair no, makeup just had.

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<v Speaker 2>Dinner, yeah slightly, Grumpy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Grumpy, Yeah, YEAH i can imagine. IT i can imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>It and if anyone could Get oprah to drop AN f,

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<v Speaker 2>bomb it's going to be, You so for, sure that.

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<v Speaker 1>Would that would be. Mandatory how you've done. GREAT i appreciate.

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<v Speaker 1>YOU i will see you at the. Gym we'll say

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<v Speaker 1>goodbye our Fair but for the, Minute, kel thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for being on The you project and taken

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<v Speaker 1>me for a test. Drive you did a good.

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<v Speaker 2>Job thanks it's been fun