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Speaker 1: it's us. We're back. It's you know what was going

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Speaker 1: to happen everyone? Kelly and I were going to record

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Speaker 1: three five question podcasts in a row last night. So

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Speaker 1: it's Wednesday night, the twenty eighth of the fifth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five as we record this, but I have this

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Speaker 1: ongoing ear ear issue which sounds so bloody ridiculous, Kelly,

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Speaker 1: And it's like it's not painful, it's not. But what

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Speaker 1: the moment it's my right ear totally blocks and so

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Speaker 1: so we recorded too, and we're about to record the third.

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Speaker 1: In fact, we started the third and Fatty Harps's ear blocked.

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Speaker 1: It's like somebody just walks up and puts their finger

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Speaker 1: we'll do our very best. And we were chatting just

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Speaker 2: It's interesting listening to yourself. And I think there's always

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Speaker 2: sounds different when you hear it back. I did think

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Speaker 2: still determined to learn how to serve. That would be

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Speaker 2: pretty cool. And yeah, no, I got a lot out

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, you asked some really good questions. And we

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't give a fuck about what Craig Carpet eats

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Speaker 1: And why don't you eat lunch? And you know, how

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Speaker 2: you're old? Yeah, so I'm just bribing my niece to

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Speaker 2: So this is a question that I actually sent to

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Speaker 1: SAID i heard you used to Be they didn't say,

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Speaker 1: i THOUGHT i. WASN'T i, know this sounds, pathetic and

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Speaker 1: well this bad shit is happening because of HOW i.

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Speaker 1: Look this bad shit is happening Because i'm. Fat this

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Speaker 1: Literally jumbo at, school, Right so my fat body became my.

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Speaker 1: better all of a. SUDDEN i wasn't. EXCLUDED i was

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Speaker 1: Know and all of these great things in my mind

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Speaker 1: For me That i'm going to. SAY i don't struggle

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Speaker 1: Look If i'm being, HONEST i don't want to say, that,

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Speaker 2: People huge put my hand up for, that, Absolutely and

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Speaker 2: On mainly FROM i would say eighty percent from a health,

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Speaker 2: perspective and then absolutely, honest honestly twenty percent from A

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Speaker 2: i love fitting into all of the clothes THAT i

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Speaker 1: Into, now of, course how much weight do you will?

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Speaker 2: Ten?

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Speaker 1: Kilos, yeah and you're not you're not a so that's

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Speaker 1: successive exercise and the obsession with you, know buying a

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Speaker 1: that that's kind of unhealthy and toxic and. Disempowering and

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Speaker 1: also know that, sadly, culturally the better you, look the

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Speaker 1: better you get treated to a, point right for. Sure

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Speaker 1: so there's all of these especially for, kids that's fucking.

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Speaker 1: Terrifying if you're a gorgeous teenager or young person twenties even,

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Speaker 1: thirties and you're online and you're, beautiful AND i mean

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Speaker 1: men and, women you're a beautiful look and, dude a

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Speaker 1: beautiful looking, lady and you're going to get lots of.

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Speaker 1: Dopamine you're getting all of this kind of brain candy

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Speaker 1: because people are, Going oh my, god you're so, gorgeous

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Speaker 1: you're so, gorgeous you're so, jacked you're so. Amazing oh

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Speaker 1: look at you, girl so. Beautiful look at you, Dude

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Speaker 1: you're oh. Wow, right and then this light's all run

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Speaker 1: up like A christmas. Tree, well that's. Addictive that's, addictive.

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Speaker 2: You know it.

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Speaker 1: Is and you think, about like how many people have

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Speaker 1: got An instagram, page and let's say there's two thousand

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Speaker 1: FEMALE i won't, say but there are. Pretty you, know

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00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: they're a very attractive. Person nearly every, photo nearly every

426
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: photo was of them. Posing i'm, like it does nothing

427
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: when you look at your page and that's just like

428
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: hundreds of pictures of your, Face like we know what

429
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 1: you look. Like this one is like yesterday's, one it's

430
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: like Last you don't have a new. Face we've seen.

431
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: It and, yes you're amazing and you're beautiful or you're,

432
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: handsome and yes you've got a good. Body BUT i

433
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: think a thousand pictures of you is? Enough like, yeah

434
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: like what drives? That like the? Psychology And i'm not

435
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: trying to sound Like i'm being hateful or. Hurtful i'm definitely.

436
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: Not i'm fascinated with how when you look at Your

437
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: instagram page and there's hundreds of pictures of you and

438
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: then you, Go i'm going to take another picture of me?

439
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: Today like why.

440
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 2: Why they're not looking at themselves though they're looking at

441
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: the likes and the follows and potentially how you, know

442
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: them making money out of? It so or maybe they

443
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: are looking at. Themselves who, Knows maybe they are if

444
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: they're posting that many.

445
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: Selfies CAN i say that we've only done one? Question

446
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: AND i blame?

447
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: You, WELL i am during the book of the.

448
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: Talking, no you're definitely. NOT i totally blame. Me all,

449
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: right let's go question.

450
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 2: Two question, two what's next after THE?

451
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: PhD that is a good, question and this is Not

452
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: i'm not even been. Funny what's after THE PhD within

453
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: a month is a? Puppy, yes a. Puppy. FUCK i

454
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: just need a puppy in my. LIFE i need some

455
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: little cute thing just THAT i can love and can love.

456
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: Me AND.

457
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 1: I love. Dogs i've had three dogs in my life

458
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: AND i haven't had a dog for quite a. While

459
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: and last TIME i got a dog wasn't really my.

460
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: Dog it WASN'T i didn't really think it. Through SO

461
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: i applied for a blind a guide dog to, be you,

462
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: know a kind of a, trainer and they live with

463
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: you for about ten. Months and between WHEN i applied

464
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: and when they rang me and went, hey we've got

465
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: a puppy was a year and a. Half and my

466
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: life was very different a year and a half, later

467
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: AND i almost went no BECAUSE i was just traveling so,

468
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: much you, know AND i should have said. No BUT

469
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: i had the puppy for a few months AND i had.

470
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: TO i had to take him back because with those

471
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: guide dogs, anyway, yeah you need. To you need to

472
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: spend most of your time with. Them and it was my.

473
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: Dad he was fucking. BEAUTIFUL i loved, him and there

474
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: was that there was LIKE i. Was so that year

475
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: WHEN i got, HIM i did something like one hundred

476
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: and thirty presentations WHERE i had to you, know a

477
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: lot of them were into, state So i'm. Traveling THEN

478
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: i need to get someone to mind, him and it's

479
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: a nightmare AND i. CAN'T i couldn't give him WHAT

480
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: i needed to give him or what he. Deserves so

481
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: they found somebody, else which had a lot more time

482
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: THAN i. Did but with my next, puppy that won't

483
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: be the. Case So i'm going to get a, puppy

484
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: AND i might DO i might do some kind of

485
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: more casual or informal, research BUT i really need to more,

486
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: IMPORTANTLY i really need to focus on the business for

487
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: a year or two or, three Because i've really not neglected.

488
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: It but you, know so LIKE i used to do

489
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: somewhere between ten and fifteen like public events Around australia every,

490
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: Year australia And New. Zealand i'm talking about open to

491
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: the public. WORKSHOPS i hardly do any of those anymore

492
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: just because of all the Stuff i'm, Doing So i'd

493
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: like to do more of, those and, yeah just probably

494
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: chill out.

495
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: A little, Bit, yeah fair. Enough will it be a rescue. Puppy,

496
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: yeah probably it'll LOOK i.

497
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 4: LOVE i love labbies because IF i was a, Dog

498
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 4: i'd be a labby BECAUSE i love food AND i

499
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 4: like being cuddled and licking people and.

500
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: Not really the last, one of, course and SO i love.

501
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: LABBIES i Love Golden, retrievers BUT i Love i'm more

502
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: a medium sized dog person than a LITTLE i like all, dogs,

503
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: right there's not a dog THAT i don't, like but, yeah,

504
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: probably BUT i Think i'll get a rescue. Dog AND

505
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: i Think i'll just go with no real plan and

506
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: just see WHO i fall in love.

507
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: With that's. Exciting, yeah, Yeah so.

508
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: That's that's my POST. PhD and that hopefully will. Happen,

509
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: well all of my work will be handed in Before,

510
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: christmas and then you, know you go back and forth

511
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: with different you, know where you write something and then

512
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: it gets reviewed and revised and then your supervisors send it.

513
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: Back And i'm going back and forth at the moment

514
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: with my literature, Review systematic Literature. Review another paper That

515
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: i've written has been sent off for potential. Publication but

516
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: you send something off to an academic journal and you

517
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: basically sit on your hands until they say yes or,

518
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: no which could be six, months and they could in

519
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: six months just send you a two word or a

520
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: two line email saying nah thanks. Anyway so there's a

521
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: fair bit of, uncertainty but hopefully all of the work

522
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: THAT i need to do will be done in the

523
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: next few months and then, yeah with a little bit of,

524
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: luck i'll be Doctor harps somewhere Around, Christmas New year

525
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 1: or a bit. BEYOND i don't. Know we'll see what. Happens. Fantastic, yeah,

526
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: yeah all, right too, down it's free to. Go i'll

527
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: see IF i can speed it up a little.

528
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: Bit all, right let's. Go you have the opportunity to

529
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: interview anyone dead or. Alive who is it and? Why?

530
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah this IS i, MEAN i don't, know LIKE i really, like,

531
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: UH i actually read this. QUESTION i THOUGHT i need

532
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: to think about this because, like there are so many

533
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: like modern day people THAT i WOULD i would like

534
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: to chat with that other people go what the fuck

535
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: is wrong with? You Like i'd love to chat With Ricky.

536
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: Gervais oh, GREAT i know he polarizes, people BUT i

537
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: FUCKING i think he's all. Right Joe, rogan same polarizes.

538
00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: PEOPLE i get. It, uh you, know like Mother. Teresa

539
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: BUT i MEAN i grew up my. Mum my mum's

540
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: like More catholic than the. Pope, Right SO i grew

541
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: up with all of these saints in my kind of.

542
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: Life but IF i can't give you, One BUT i,

543
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: mean OBVIOUSLY i don't know how we'd go on a.

544
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: Podcast But jesus would be. Good he'd be good to chat.

545
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: To he, would you, KNOW.

546
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind interviewing Sid Arthur. Gutwama do you know

547
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: who he?

548
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: IS i don't The, Buddha, OKAY.

549
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind chatting with The. Buddha he was around

550
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: about half a millennium Before. Jesus he was around five

551
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: one HUNDRED bc or something like. That. Uh Marcus, Aurelius

552
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: he's like my favorite stoic because he was actually like

553
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: an emperor slash king slash Philosopher roman. Emperor he wrote

554
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: a very famous book Called, meditations which was he wrote

555
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: that as like a private journal of reflection to, himself

556
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: and then people got a hold of it and it got,

557
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: out and he was like this rare example of immense

558
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: power combined with absolute humility and self reflection and. Restraint

559
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: so he lived a really like he was really a

560
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: person who lived of service in, service despite the fact

561
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: that he could have had and done anything he, wanted

562
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: so he lived a stoic life under. Pressure so any

563
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: of those and also for obvious. REASONS i, MEAN i

564
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: would love to chat With. OPRAH i find PEOPLE i

565
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: don't love everything About, oprah BUT i like a lot about,

566
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: her AND i, think you, know it's like all of

567
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: those people, like, yeah there's there's pros and, cons But

568
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: oprah has done some amazing shit and for you, know

569
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: when you hear her, backstory and, YEAH i just think

570
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: she'd Be But i'd like to get through the public

571
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: super Polished, oprah you, know like she's so, polished she's

572
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: so good at, television she's so good at being in

573
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: front of the. Camera i'd love to just fucking mess

574
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: her hair up a little bit and just just hang

575
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: out with, her you, know, no no, Cameras, NO i,

576
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: MEAN i know you can't really do that in an,

577
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: interview but, yeah i'd like. To i'd like to interview

578
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: The oprah behind the, camera behind the, mic behind the.

579
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: Persona i'd love to chat to that.

580
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 2: One, YEAH i imagine what that what that real version

581
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: of her is, like and it's hard to imagine, also

582
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: given that she has been in the public eye for

583
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: so long and she has got this distinct persona where everything's,

584
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: happy everything's. Great sometimes she'll ask those probing. QUESTIONS i

585
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: wonder has that begun to blend and if there is

586
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: a real version of her that's just at home with

587
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: her feed up and you, know a cup of, tea

588
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: binging On, netflix.

589
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: Yes, interesting eating some chocolate and patting a. Dog. Yeah,

590
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: Look and that's no. DISRESPECT i, mean she's a fucking.

591
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: Weapon she's. Incredible like her, success what she's, done it's. Amazing,

592
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely BUT i feel like that version of her everyone's,

593
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: met you. Know and it's not to say that's disingenuous at.

594
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: ALL i think she's an incredibly gifted. Communicator BUT i

595
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: don't want to talk to that version of. HER i

596
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: want to talk to the, barefoot no, makeup messy, hair you,

597
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: know feels a bit full from. DINNER i want to

598
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: talk to that, version you. KNOW i want to talk

599
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: to that could be a little bit grumpy in the,

600
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: interview you, know that, one you. Know but, anyway so

601
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: that's my answer question for kel question.

602
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: Four, okay what is something like one thing in the

603
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: course of your. PhD that has absolutely surprised.

604
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: You, YEAH i, think and this surprises a lot of.

605
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: People so keeping in mind That i'm doing a PhD in, psychology,

606
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: Right but what people don't really get is that you're

607
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: it's like you're. Researching it's like you're researching a drop

608
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: of water in a thousand oceans of what there is

609
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: to know about human behavior and people and. Psychology so

610
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: when you do you, know like when you do an

611
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: undergrad in, psychology you're learning broadly about human behavior in

612
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: different styles of you, know profiling personalities and all of

613
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: these myriad of, things says the bloke who's never done

614
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: an undergrad in, Psychology, Right but when when you do

615
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: a research based PhD in psych like, me you design

616
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: and implement and create and execute all of your own,

617
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: research and you are examining one very very very specific,

618
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: thing and you are trying to basically fill a hole

619
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: or a gap in the. Science and so even though

620
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: you Know i'll come out with a doctorate in, psychology you,

621
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: know it's, like, oh he's got a PhD in human.

622
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: Psychology it's, like, yeah but of all the things that

623
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: fall under the banner of, Psychology i'm not studying almost

624
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: all of, them do you know WHAT i? Mean and

625
00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: so when it comes, to you, know my very specific

626
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: topic of meta, accuracy which is understanding how people see me,

627
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: you understanding how people see, you you, know and that

628
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: my hierarchy of thought That i've said many, times mentioned

629
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: many times on, here which is, metacognition which is thinking about.

630
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: Thinking and then the next one up is theory of.

631
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: Mind as we're climbing the cognitive, pyramid the next one

632
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: is theory of, mind which is thinking about or having

633
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: an insight into how other people. Think and then the

634
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: next one, up which is my area of, research which

635
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: is meta, accuracy which is understanding how people see, you

636
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: think about, you perceive, you experience. You and at the

637
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: top of that is really my research, focus which is,

638
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: metaaccuracy which is understanding how good you are at that right.

639
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: Now this is an incredibly specific, construct a very, specific

640
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: finite area of. Research and so then you go into

641
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: that space and you look at all the others search

642
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: that's been done in that, area and you, you you,

643
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: know you try to build on, that you try to develop,

644
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: that and you try to find gaps in. That so

645
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 1: my long winded answer is What i've learned a lot

646
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: is how to do research at a high. Level but

647
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: HAVE i? DO i know a huge amount more broadly

648
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: speaking about human behavior than five and a half years

649
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: ago WHEN i. Started, No, No. No in, fact most

650
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: of my understanding of how people work and think and

651
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: behave and act and react and do life and do,

652
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: relationships most of that is really just from paying attention

653
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: for forty. Years, yeah you, know so a PhD teaches

654
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: you the kind of PhD i'm, doing teaches you how

655
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: to do high level.

656
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: Research it's almost very full. Circle given your answer before

657
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: about how you were the fat kid who then realized

658
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: that you, know once you lost that, weight that people

659
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: had this different perception of you because you looked. Better

660
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: that you then are now studying what it is to

661
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: understand how people think about, you and how accurately you

662
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: understand what people think about, you given where you come.

663
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: From, well that is that is very fucking, Insightful Kelly,

664
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: Smith BECAUSE i was the person who used to worry

665
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: a lot about what people thought of him and HOW

666
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: i was perceived by others and whether or not they

667
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: liked me or wanted to connect with, me OR i don't,

668
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: know THOUGHT i was a, dickhead or THOUGHT i was

669
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: a good, guy or so BECAUSE i was widely insecure

670
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: and fearful and you know all the other. Stuff, YEAH

671
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: i worried a lot about. That and it is very

672
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: interesting that all these years, Later i'm now, doing you,

673
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: know high level research in understanding how people actually see,

674
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: me understanding that kind of metacognitive sorry that met a

675
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: perceptive kind of skill or. Trait but also that is

676
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: true what you're, saying and maybe that was the genesis

677
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: for my. Curiosity but ALSO i truly believe. THIS i

678
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: believe that being able to one understand how others, think

679
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: which most people don't think about. MUCH i, mean really think,

680
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: about what is it like being Inside kelly's? Mind IF

681
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: i looked at the world Through kelly's, window what AM

682
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: i seeing right? Now what Is kelly? Feeling how Is

683
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: kelly on this podcast in this, Moment and then for

684
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: me to have some insight and some awareness and some

685
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: understanding of that for you and me in real, time

686
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: knowing THAT i am not having probably anything like the

687
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: experience you are currently, having despite the fact that we're

688
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: both kind of doing the same, Thing we're both on

689
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: the you project at six point fifty one On wednesday,

690
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: night and we're both talking on zoom and we're both

691
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: doing a version of the exact same. Thing and then you,

692
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: know being able to in real time understand That kelly's

693
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: not in my, Reality i'm not In kelly's, reality and

694
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: also then to have enough curiosity and empathy and hopefully

695
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: awareness to try to at least be curious about interested

696
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: in understanding how you're going right, now what you're thinking right,

697
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: now what you're feeling right. Now because IF, i or

698
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: anyone in real, TIME i can understand the individual reality

699
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: of the person in front of, ME i can understand

700
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: to an extent how they see the, world or how

701
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: they see that, conversation or how they see, themselves or

702
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: how they see. Me in other, WORDS i can tap

703
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: into what they're currently, thinking, feeling or experiencing to some.

704
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: Extent THEN i open a door of connection and rapport

705
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: and trust and engagement THAT i can't open without that.

706
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: Knowledge right If i've got no idea how you, Think

707
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: If i've got no idea of What kelly's, about or

708
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: what drives her or motivates her or scares her or excites,

709
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: her If i've got no, idea Then i'm you, know

710
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: in terms of, Socialization i'm just guessing in a conversation.

711
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: And probably still worrying about what people think about, you.

712
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: Right, yeah. Yeah and you, know there's a Concept i've

713
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: spoken about probably ten times called the false consensus. Effect

714
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: you've heard me say. That do you remember what it?

715
00:43:53,040 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 3: IS i, don't, Right the false consensus effect is just

716
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: the fact that we think that other people think like.

717
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: Us we automatically assume. That so we automatically, assume for,

718
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: example That i'm saying something to you and my intention is,

719
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: Good so Therefore kelly's experience of WHAT i said will be.

720
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: Good So i'm assuming you think like, me Whereas kelly

721
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: might be thinking totally. Different So kelly's experience of my good,

722
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 1: Intention kelly's experience is, bad, Yep BECAUSE i, said, hey

723
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: da da da da, da which was meant to be,

724
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: whatever some positive feedback or, something and for, you the

725
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: experience is unwanted, feedback it's, judgment it's somehow for, you

726
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: it was, criticism or it was some kind of you,

727
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: know whatever from me that you didn't, want didn't, need didn't,

728
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: expect didn't. Enjoy And i'm over here In, craigland assuming

729
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: That kelly's In, craigland all good bet at, eight you,

730
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: know and THAT i think being able to understand how

731
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: other people, think And i've said this many, times not

732
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: agree with, them not align with, them but understand how

733
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: other people think is a fucking interpersonal. Superpower if you're

734
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: in a position of, teaching, coaching, leading managing people and

735
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: you're not interested in how your people, THINK i was

736
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: going to, say you're a fucking. Idiot that's a bit.

737
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: HARSH i won't say, that But i'll just say you

738
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: should probably get.

739
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 2: Interested, yeah or maybe you're in the wrong. Job.

740
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: WELL i Mean i've literally Had i've said to leaders

741
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: cow When i've gone into, companies what do you think

742
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: it's like being around you for your? Team And i've,

743
00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: had admittedly mostly men SAY i don't. CARE i don't

744
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: care if they like it or. Not they're here to

745
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: do a. Job i'm not their. Friend i'm not trying

746
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: to be their. Friend i've got a, job they've got a,

747
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: job And i'm, like you're the dumbest motherfucker. Ever you,

748
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: know if you don't understand the importance of, connection, communication,

749
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: culture you, know valuing people like even, if, firstly don't

750
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: do it this, way but even if you're just doing

751
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: it because it's good for, business we'll fucking do, it you,

752
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: know like the THE i mean not many, times but

753
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: probably five times over the. Years and usually it's you,

754
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: know somebody who's you, know close to the narcissistic end

755
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: of the old, scale you, know the, sociopathic, narcissistic ego.

756
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: Maniacal it's my way of the. Highway but also that

757
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: for whatever, reason quite a lot of those people end

758
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: up in positions of.

759
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: Leadership, absolutely and they are delightful, though aren't. They but

760
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 2: enough about?

761
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: Me what do you think about? Me a bit of?

762
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: That? Absolutely, yeah the best leader That i've, had she

763
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: said to, me if EVER i had the opportunity to

764
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 2: lead a team of, people she, Said, look majority of

765
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: people can do the, job but they can learn the

766
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: skills to do the work that is. Required what you

767
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: need to do is get to know them as a human.

768
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: Being so that, is go for a coffee with, them

769
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: go for a walk with, them see what it is

770
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: that makes them tick outside of. Work if you get that,

771
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: downpat then the actual skills of the, job no.

772
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: Worries, yeah one d per AND i know it's really

773
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: basic and. Fundamental but if the people that work with,

774
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: you alongside, you for, you under, you above, whatever if

775
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: they like. YOU i know this is real, basic but

776
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: if they like, you guess what they're going to enjoy

777
00:47:58,600 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: working with.

778
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: You like?

779
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: You you don't have to be their best. Friend but

780
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: don't be an. Asshole that should be like fucking rule.

781
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: One don't be an. Asshole, yeah we know you. Clever

782
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: we know you've got a fucking master's in. Business da

783
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: da da. Da we know that you used to work

784
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: at that. Company we know you're on five hundred grand a.

785
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: Year well, done. Champ don't be an.

786
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: Asshole, Absolutely, look this is something That i've been talking

787
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 2: about with a friend and we used to kind of,

788
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 2: say you, know just come, in be, nice it's all that's.

789
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: Required but even, that now it's literally just don't be an.

790
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: Asshole totally.

791
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: Understand we're on the same. Page all, right home? Straight

792
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: what have we?

793
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: Got home? Straight this is very. Philosophical for the last,

794
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: question oh, yeah it's sad and.

795
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: Reflective this.

796
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 2: Question, YEAH i thought it was quite quite, deep which

797
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: is WHY i included. It, so if you died, tomorrow

798
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: what is the one thing you want people to remember you.

799
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: For, YEAH i don't. KNOW i, mean like some of

800
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: the like sometimes you, know when your answer is it's

801
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: not it's not, exciting it's not an impressive, answer but

802
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: it's the. Answer like sometimes with these, QUESTIONS i feel,

803
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: like And i'm not going to but OH i need

804
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: to say something like fucking mesmerizing and people, go oh my,

805
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: god that was so. Profound kelly asked him, this and

806
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: he went that and fucking let's write that. DOWN a

807
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: good one would be he wasn't an. Asshole yeah that

808
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: on my termstone wasn't an asshole in. Brackets, MOSTLY i

809
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: MEAN i would like people, to you, know remember. That, like,

810
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: honestly this is going to sound not in A i

811
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: don't really. CARE i, MEAN i care about what people

812
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: think of me When i'm, gone but Like i'm going

813
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: to be, GONE i care more about the impact that

814
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: the ongoing impact THAT i might have in their lives

815
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: as a result of them being you, know connected to

816
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: me in some. WAY i GUESS i would want people

817
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: to remember me for being a good student and. Teacher like,

818
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: no somebody who wasn't you, know super, gifted talented or,

819
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: special but did the best with what he, had somebody

820
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: who was you, know, flawed but spent his life trying

821
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: to be better than he's, bullshit you know that kind of.

822
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: STUFF i GUESS i don't and this Is i'm not

823
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: fishing here at. All BUT i think my listeners know.

824
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: This LIKE i don't have an overwhelming opinion of myself at.

825
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: All and.

826
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: You, know.

827
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: When people, are you, know critical of, me which they

828
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: have every right to, be it's LIKE i feel like, going, Hey,

829
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: champ get in the, Queue like you could not be

830
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: more critical of me THAN i am of. Me so

831
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: BUT i hope people THINK i was a good. GUY

832
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: i had good. Intentions for the most, PART i did

833
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: good THINGS i. Had MAYBE i left a little bit

834
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: of an impact and maybe that'll trickle. Down but you,

835
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: Know i'm also what's the, WORD i don't know what

836
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: is the? Word there's a, word it's not coming to.

837
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: Mind but you, know there's eight billion people in the.

838
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 1: World we've been around for three hundred thousand. Years nobody's

839
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: going to miss. Me there's about six people who'll be

840
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: sad till Fucking, THURSDAY, avo and then that's. It i'm

841
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: very practical and realistic like.

842
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: THAT i think you might be wrong, there but it

843
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: is such a lovely thing to want for people to

844
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: like for you to still have that, Impact and it's

845
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: probably something that you're not even aware of that you

846
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 2: have that impact even when people aren't engaging with what

847
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: it is that you do on a daily, Basis like

848
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: they might have seen a, whiteboard you, know on a scroll,

849
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: session or they might, have you, know listened to a

850
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: podcast here or. There, YEAH i think you might be.

851
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: Surprised well, maybe but don't tell me that Or i'll

852
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: get a fat head and Well i'll be in. Trouble, hey,

853
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: kel you. SURVIVED i. Survived my ear still, blocked BUT

854
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: i think for a bloke with a blocked, EAR i

855
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: actually did all. Right it's not OFTEN i give myself a.

856
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: Wrap thank you so much for doing, This thanks for

857
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: putting up your. Hand how have you enjoyed?

858
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 2: It it's been. Amazing I'VE i really loved. It i've

859
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: felt very very selfish That i've been able to ask

860
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: all of these questions of, you like completely, uninterrupted like

861
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: so not at a conference and you, know battling with

862
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 2: other people WHERE i would not have put my hand

863
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 2: up IF i had to stand up in the. Crowd

864
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: that is not. Me so to be able to HAVE i,

865
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: guess you, know a free go at asking WHAT i.

866
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: Wanted it's been really really fun and certainly dragged me

867
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: out of my comfort, zone which is.

868
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 1: Great, well you're definitely. NOT i, MEAN i Think i'm

869
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: right WHEN i say you're not an, extrovert right close

870
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: to the introvert end of the. Scale i'm actually surprised

871
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: that you And i'm grateful And i'm. Glad it's LIKE

872
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 1: i think it's you, know it's encouraging for others because

873
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: you're not naturally the, loud attention seeking. Extroverty like if,

874
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: anything WHEN i used to see you at the gym years,

875
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: Ago i'm, like that girl is painfully. Shy, Yes AND

876
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: i tried not to be the big, intimiday you, know

877
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: and SO i was conscious about not overwhelming you but

878
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: also being you, know hopefully whatever it was that would

879
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: make you feel comfortable interacting with me for twenty seconds

880
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: or three minutes at the, gym you, know because you're again, like,

881
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: yeah we're very, different but, yeah you did a good.

882
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: Job did you learn?

883
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: Anything like absolutely, ABSOLUTELY i learned a lot more about,

884
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: you and you, know it's it's very different asking the

885
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 2: questions and listening to particularly like some of the things

886
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: when you, KNOW i thought WHEN i asked, you what would,

887
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 2: be you, know the one exercise you could, do and

888
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 2: then you came up with. Surfing that's it's still just

889
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: stuck in my. Mind, yeah there's been a lot That i've.

890
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: Learned the more in depth information that you were talking

891
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: about tonight with what you've learned from your, PhD, like

892
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: that's all very, exciting AND i hope that once you're,

893
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: done you share that in a way that is easy

894
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 2: for you, know the everyday listener to digest because it's incredibly.

895
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: FASCINATING i didn't realize that you'd want to interview a Barefoot.

896
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 2: Oprah that was. Surprising BUT i can picture, it can

897
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 2: absolutely picture.

898
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: It, barefoot messy, hair no, makeup just had.

899
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: Dinner, yeah slightly, Grumpy.

900
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: Yeah a little bit.

901
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: Grumpy, Yeah, YEAH i can imagine. IT i can imagine.

902
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: It and if anyone could Get oprah to drop AN f,

903
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: bomb it's going to be, You so for, sure that.

904
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: Would that would be. Mandatory how you've done. GREAT i appreciate.

905
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: YOU i will see you at the. Gym we'll say

906
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: goodbye our Fair but for the, Minute, kel thank you

907
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: so much for being on The you project and taken

908
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: me for a test. Drive you did a good.

909
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: Job thanks it's been fun