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Speaker 1: This is the Fitsy and Whip with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 2: I just have to cover this story because I'm mad

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Speaker 2: for a double life story. Firstly because I'm a busy lady.

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Speaker 2: But I do know one thing I'll never be able

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Speaker 2: to fit in is a double life because I just

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Speaker 2: don't have time for it. I am absolutely gobsmacked and

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Speaker 2: in awe of people who can have one family over

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Speaker 2: here and have another whole complete. I mean, I hear

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Speaker 2: the way. I mean not so much you, Fitzy, but

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Speaker 2: whip of the way you complain about all the things

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Speaker 2: you have to do just to run on run one family.

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Speaker 3: You got paid to have a double life, really, didn't you?

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Speaker 3: That was your job, Kate?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was going to go down that road.

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Speaker 2: It's going to get so heavy and deep, and it's

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Speaker 2: very confusing. At times, I did feel as though I

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Speaker 2: was living another existence. Am I waking up in my

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Speaker 2: bed in Campbelltown and going to school or am I

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Speaker 2: changing the sheets in the caravan park today?

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Speaker 3: I don't know which one was more complicated. That's actually

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Speaker 3: a great question. A few economic headwinds.

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Speaker 4: You know what.

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Speaker 2: I Am going to take ownership of that question and

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Speaker 2: follow up with an answer, you.

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Speaker 1: Have taken the to take ownership follow up.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's be honest. I think Sally Fletcher's life was

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Speaker 2: incredibly complicated when you're fighting cancers and love interests and.

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Speaker 1: Stabbed on the road mud slides.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I got I think I got shot in the

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Speaker 2: diner wonder.

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Speaker 3: Du Well, I'm sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 2: Luckily also was there anyway? This this this guy, he's

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Speaker 2: been living a double life and it all came undone

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Speaker 2: when he came home from a work trip. He had

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Speaker 2: to travel a lot for work. He was so tired

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Speaker 2: he didn't unpack his suitcase. So his wife of five

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Speaker 2: years thought, I'm going to do a really nice deed here.

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Speaker 2: I'll take his washing out, you know, I'll unpack the suitcase.

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Speaker 2: She's unpacked the suitcase and this photo of a woman

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Speaker 2: and then a photo of an eighteen month old baby.

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Speaker 2: Now she thought that maybe the suitcases had been had been,

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Speaker 2: but it had his undies in it, so it must

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Speaker 2: have been his. And she confronted him, and you know,

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Speaker 2: head in hands, he was in tears, saying, I knew

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Speaker 2: you'd find out one day he'd had an affair with

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Speaker 2: a woman. I'm guessing you know, a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 2: which has had resulted in the eighteen month old child,

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Speaker 2: and she's thinking, oh, okay, he has another family living

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Speaker 2: in one of these countries he has to travel to

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Speaker 2: for work. This is just in Perth. You know, this

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Speaker 2: family's living about five k's down the road. So when

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Speaker 2: he leaves to go, he's just driving, you know, ten

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Speaker 2: minutes away and hanging out with the second family. This woman,

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Speaker 2: the wife, they already had two children, they'd spent five

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Speaker 2: six years together, already.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen twenty fourteen, guining I'd love to hear from the

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Speaker 3: links that they went to to lead to Lowell a

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Speaker 3: double life, well.

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Speaker 2: A double life or actually, what I'd like to know

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Speaker 2: is maybe what you found in the suitcase that brought

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Speaker 2: it all one and done when they've come home.

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Speaker 1: Other great topic, because you wonder what an idiot for

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Speaker 1: putting a photo unless the other wife slipped it into

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Speaker 1: the suitcase and he didn't know who packs a photo

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Speaker 1: of your second family inside your suitcase? I'm all right, guys,

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Speaker 1: you're not wrong. We're those look really really bad.

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Speaker 2: I think, I mean the question should be who leads

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Speaker 2: a double life in the first place, and then secondly yes,

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Speaker 2: if you decide to do that, who pops the photo in?

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Speaker 3: It's the stress of work first of all, and then

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Speaker 3: having to come home to the family when you've got

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Speaker 3: two on the go. He'd have a favorite one as well.

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Speaker 1: That's the family Thursday beats Favorite.

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Speaker 3: There would be one family. Yeah, I said, I am

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Speaker 3: doing overtime this family.

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Speaker 1: To please the grumpy one again. Is that how it will?

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Speaker 2: Maybe you are the grumpy one, if he's something the

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Speaker 2: word grumpy out around. I'm certainly not grumpy.

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Speaker 1: You haven't seen grumpy. I think this is I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm just you don't need to defend the grumpy one.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, can we Tommy? Can we try? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know we're going to do a Taylor Swift seats blitz,

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Speaker 1: but can we throw it out there?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 1: If anybody has come across an or experience to double life,

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Speaker 1: maybe you had a crack at it, maybe you found

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Speaker 1: out that your husband was seeing somebody else, but but

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Speaker 1: big time, big time, Like, oh my god, there's a

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Speaker 1: knock at the door. Who's here? It's the Balinese family

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Speaker 1: fair we didn't know about.

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Speaker 3: We can keep you anonymous as well, because but let's

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Speaker 3: be honest. I mean a majority of the time it

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Speaker 3: is the bloke, isn't it. That's always yeah, he's yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to hear. How draining is it. We can

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Speaker 3: keep you anonymous, we can change your name.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you can manage it. You've got

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Speaker 2: to have a very good memory, that's for sure. Let's

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Speaker 2: go to Kelly in Kogra. Are you leading a double life?

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Speaker 4: I'm not leading a double life, but I do tell

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Speaker 4: people about double life.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean how do you find out about

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Speaker 1: it and what goes on? Kelly?

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Speaker 4: I work in deceased estates and when someone passes away

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Speaker 4: with our will, I have to put a family tree

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Speaker 4: together to work out who is entitled.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, fascinating.

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Speaker 4: New times. We've had to tell families where no, you're

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Speaker 4: not the only children. There's about six. There's two wives

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Speaker 4: or a girlfriend and a wife that we've found.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing what you find out when someone dies, isn't

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Speaker 1: it It is?

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Speaker 4: Yes, all the skeletons come out of the closet.

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Speaker 3: What's the most interesting reaction that you've had, Kelly, when

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Speaker 3: you've had to tell a family about a double life.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure that we get the reaction. They probably

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Speaker 4: keep them a bit self composed while they're speaking to us,

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Speaker 4: because we do say we're really sorry to tell you this,

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Speaker 4: but unfortunately this is the second stance. But a few times,

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Speaker 4: you know, you get the hayar.

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Speaker 1: Or yep, you don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: The person that passed away.

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Speaker 2: Now FIXI did mention when we were talking about this

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Speaker 2: before that he tends to think it's the men leading

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Speaker 2: the double lives rather than the women. Is that usually the.

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Speaker 4: Case more times out of a time.

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Speaker 3: Gain Yeah, yeah, okay, So we have three mobile phones

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Speaker 3: we found we have a young man who's given us

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Speaker 3: a call. I've changed his name Stuart and Surry Hills.

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Speaker 3: You're leading a double life at the moment, Stu.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, talk us through your situation and your setup. Mate.

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Speaker 5: Well, I was with a girl for a while and

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Speaker 5: she then decided to call off and I was not

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Speaker 5: real happy about it, badly in love with her. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: things didn't work out. Uh, he's on the track. I'm married,

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Speaker 5: and then that girl comes back into my life, doesn't

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Speaker 5: know that I'm married. I don't tell her that I'm married,

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Speaker 5: and things sort of pick up. She tells me that

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Speaker 5: she hadn't broken up and before a hour, I'm in

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Speaker 5: the state a lot with my work, so I'm sort

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Speaker 5: of going one more than normal and ended up with

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Speaker 5: the original girl with the children. And now do you

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Speaker 5: start the girl's pregnant.

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Speaker 3: STU? How long has this been going on for the

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Speaker 3: double Life?

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Speaker 5: Three and a half years?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Star?

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Speaker 2: Now are you are you saying that you were probably

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Speaker 2: always still in love with this woman that you're not

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, she broke it off. I was never happy

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Speaker 5: that she broke it off, came back in. It was

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Speaker 5: fairly easy to think to switch.

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Speaker 1: Back into it. Can I ask, because you know you

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Speaker 1: do talk and discuss about discuss previous relationships in your

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Speaker 1: current relationship, does your leave your wife know about this girl?

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Speaker 5: No? No, no, no, what do you think about.

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Speaker 1: Her that would do to her? Like do you have?

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Speaker 2: Are you would she thinks that you're happily married with

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Speaker 2: the kids.

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Speaker 5: Well, no, she does nothing about it. I just don't

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Speaker 5: discuss it.

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Speaker 1: But on the front, though, does she think you're happy

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Speaker 1: at home your actual wife?

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Speaker 5: Ah? We have ups and downs, obviously, but you know

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Speaker 5: it's not I wouldn't tell you it's a bad marriage.

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Speaker 5: It's it's just difficult, Steward.

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Speaker 2: But what's the hardest thing to kind of manage in

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Speaker 2: this situation? What is the I mean that the leading

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Speaker 2: of a double life? How do you how do you

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Speaker 2: keep things covered or what do you struggle with the most?

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Speaker 5: I just try not. I just I just try not

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Speaker 5: to give out information so I don't get caught in

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Speaker 5: the web. Yeah, that makes she asked questions. I sing

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Speaker 5: a word answers and eight so often get accused of

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Speaker 5: being distanced. But that's that's me trying to travel situation.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's probably you been.

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Speaker 3: And what's the close closest you got bustards to a.

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Speaker 5: A couple of misdirected messages on a phone. I just

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Speaker 5: I don't even know how I got out of it.

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Speaker 5: I just said it must be the wrong number. I

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Speaker 3: You sound tired? How can for three and a half

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Speaker 3: years do you get do you get huge amounts of

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Speaker 3: guilt at certain stage to where you think to yourself,

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Speaker 3: what have I done? What am I doing?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm to be honest, I'm going to get bustard.

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Speaker 5: So I just can't bring myself to going to.

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Speaker 2: A sensitive will probably be a sense of relief when

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Speaker 2: that happens, because I'm not sure how this ends well.

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Speaker 1: Because you're sitting there thinking, am I better to tell

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Speaker 1: her and break her heart? Or am I better just

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Speaker 1: to get busted and then deal with it then, because

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Speaker 1: you know the problem might solve itself tomorrow, so maybe

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Speaker 1: you're better off having a conversation.

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Speaker 5: I just can't bring myself to do it, that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: What's her name and number? Stew we can put in

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Speaker 1: a call. No, we will not do that. No, I

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Speaker 1: should turn the situation.

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Speaker 2: Feel for everyone involved.

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Speaker 3: I have to say, Stu, if you do win the

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Speaker 3: double de Taylor Swift, who will you give it to?

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Speaker 5: My Niece's justum believably. It's the point of that she

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Speaker 5: hasn't managed to get hit.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well he's already made his decision there, Thanks Stuart.

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Speaker 1: It's you know what a story?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 1: I can't believe you stressed.

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Speaker 3: Like Stewart, He's past the point of no return. So

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Speaker 3: he's he said to himself, I want to get busted

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Speaker 3: because I don't know how to handle this.

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Speaker 2: What do you think it's really important? He's ends up

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Speaker 2: and takes some ownership. At this point, it's never. It

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Speaker 2: is never going to be good. But you know what

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Speaker 2: you do it now it's three and a half years

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Speaker 2: and at least you can hang on to the fact

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Speaker 2: that you decided to be honest, or we could be

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Speaker 2: talking to Stuart, you know, in another three years.

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Speaker 1: It's just all fits in.

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Speaker 3: Whipper with Kate Ritchie is a Nova podcast walk great

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Speaker 3: shows like this.

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Speaker 1: Download the Nova Player, buy the App Store or Google

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Speaker 1: Playing the Nova Player