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Speaker 2: I'm Jen Kelly from The Herald Son and this is

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Speaker 2: in Black and White, a podcast about some of Australia's

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Speaker 2: forgotten characters. Today we're back for part two of our

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Speaker 2: episode on Bushranger Dan Morgan with Melbourne historian Aidan Feelen,

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Speaker 2: the creator of a guide to Australian Bushranging dot com,

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Speaker 2: and the author of the novel Glen Rowan. Make sure

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Speaker 2: you listen to part one first. As we heard in

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Speaker 2: part one, Morgan was becoming increasingly unhinged and dangerous. Here

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Speaker 1: What we find with the bush ranging stories is that

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so obviously he wants to prove the Victory police wrong.

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Speaker 2: So he's wielding guns and threatening them, I'm assuming.

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Speaker 1: Dobbin where the attending doctors did the post mortem and everything,

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Speaker 1: and then here we had doctor Joseph Henry being ordered

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Speaker 1: by Cobham to take a pen knife and skin Morgan's

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Speaker 1: jaw so that he could preserve the beard like a

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Speaker 1: possum skin. He was going to pick it out and

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Speaker 1: dry it out and have it like a trophy, which

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Speaker 1: is not pleasant, and certainly even at the time people

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Speaker 1: were like that might be a bit sort of extreme,

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Speaker 1: and for a period of time both Cobham and doctor

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Speaker 1: Doblin were suspended from their duties because of that incident,

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Speaker 1: although Dobbin was adamant I didn't do it, and doctor

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Speaker 1: Henry seemed to avoid scrutiny for that. But certainly what

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Speaker 1: we do know is that after that they did remove

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Speaker 1: the head. They wrapped it in bandages that were soaked

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Speaker 1: in brine to preserve it. They put it in a

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Speaker 1: wooden box, and they send it to Melbourne Universe, where

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Speaker 1: Professor Halford was instructed to make a death mask so

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Speaker 1: that they could study the shape of the skull and everything.

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Speaker 1: But Morgan was not seen at that point as being

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Speaker 1: a human being. He was seen as a monster. He

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Speaker 1: was seen as an animal, and he was treated in

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Speaker 1: much the way that they would have treated an animal.

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Speaker 1: You know, if there was a dingo going around eating

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Speaker 1: someone's sheep, they would have been treated in much the

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Speaker 1: same way. So there was no respect given to the

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Speaker 1: body at all, and the headless remains were put in

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Speaker 1: a wooden box and buried in an unmarked grave in

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Speaker 1: Waneerata Cemetery. The grave is now marked, but for a

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Speaker 1: long long time there was no indication of where it was,

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Speaker 1: apart from the fact that apparently for a number of

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Speaker 1: years there were a couple of women who would go

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Speaker 1: and leave flowers on the grave.

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Speaker 2: Really, so that was for the first couple of years

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Speaker 2: after his death.

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Speaker 1: It seemed to be. Yeah, So from what I've read,

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Speaker 1: it was a period of years after he died, these

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Speaker 1: two mysterious women would go and leave flowers on his grave,

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Speaker 1: and so it was suspected that they may have been

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Speaker 1: his mother and his sister or something like that.

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Speaker 2: And when did the nickname mad Dog first come about?

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Speaker 1: Mad Dog? If you go to his grave now, his

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Speaker 1: grave marker says that he was mad Dog Morgan, but

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Speaker 1: during his lifetime he was referred to as Morgan the

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Speaker 1: bush Ranger, Morgan the murderer Morgan the Incendury, but never

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Speaker 1: mad Dog. That actually was a product of the Phelipe

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Speaker 1: Mora film from the seventies, which popularized Morgan's story for

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Speaker 1: a lot of people because it had its own sort

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Speaker 1: of reputation with Dennis Hopper and his mad antics, one

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Speaker 1: of which he apparently was taken to see Morgan's grave

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Speaker 1: at one Greater cemetery and he had two bottles of rum.

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Speaker 1: He drank one himself, and he pulled the other one

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Speaker 1: onto the grave and then proceeded to get in the

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Speaker 1: car and they were pulled over. He was so intoxicated

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Speaker 1: that he was deported and banned from ever driving a

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Speaker 1: car in the state of Victoria or being a passenger

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Speaker 1: in a car in state of Victoria.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, but you know, they were the old wild days,

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Speaker 1: and Dennis Hopper was exactly the sort of person you

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Speaker 1: would expect to play a character like Dan Morgan. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: but the name stuck, and because people made the connection

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Speaker 1: with the film, that's one of the reasons why he's

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Speaker 1: still to this day referred to by many people as

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Speaker 1: mad Dog.

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Speaker 2: Now, is it true that Dan Morgan was an inspiration

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Speaker 2: to the Kelly Gang.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely all of the Kelly Gang members, Ned and Dan

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Speaker 1: obviously and Joe Burne in particular, would have basically been

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Speaker 1: raised on these stories. I would have been kids hearing

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Speaker 1: about Dan Morgan's exploits, and particularly the Kelly brothers would

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Speaker 1: have had a bit of inspiration from them, because they

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Speaker 1: came from a class that would have looked at people

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Speaker 1: like Morgan as kind of heroes. You know, they considered

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Speaker 1: themselves to be the downtrodden and exactly the kind of

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Speaker 1: people that Morgan was apparently championing. And so we do

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Speaker 1: have the reports of them, after having robed the bank

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Speaker 1: and jewelry in eighteen seventy nine, riding up and down

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Speaker 1: the streets yelling hooray for the good old days of

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Speaker 1: Dan Morgan and Ben Hall, and I suspect that they

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Speaker 1: probably were very familiar with Morgan's haunts around the area

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Speaker 1: that they lived, which was sort of around Banella, glen

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Speaker 1: Roe and Greater all these places where Morgan supposedly had sympathizers.

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Speaker 1: So and then it's also fitting that where the glen

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00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: Roan siege took place was in the shadow of sorry,

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Speaker 1: was in the shadow of what was colloquially known as

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Speaker 1: Morgan's Lookout.

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Speaker 2: Now Aiden, I can tell that you live and breathe

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Speaker 2: this story and other stories like this. What's the best

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00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: place for people to go to find more information about

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Speaker 2: Dan Morgan and about bush rangers in general.

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Speaker 1: So if you would like to find out more information

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Speaker 1: about my research into Morgan, I have my website, a

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Speaker 1: Guide to Australian bush Ranging, which has a companion Facebook

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00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: page that has links to all different stuff that I

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00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: put out. I also set up a companion website called

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00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: Daniel Morgan Outlaw, which is just dedicated to Dan Morgan's story.

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Speaker 1: So all of the newspaper reports all that kind of

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Speaker 1: stuff that I find, I've got on a website dedicated

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Speaker 1: to Morgan because there is an awful lot and because

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Speaker 1: a Guide to Australian bush Ranging is the entire history

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Speaker 1: of bush ranging, there's a lot of stuff. There's over

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Speaker 1: one hundred years worth of history to put on that website,

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Speaker 1: so it gets pretty chockers pretty quick. I also have

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Speaker 1: a few books out, one of which contains an account

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Speaker 1: of Morgan's to Round Hill Station. The book is called

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Speaker 1: bush Ranging Tales, Volume one, which can be purchased online

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Speaker 1: and there are a few copies available in glen Row

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Speaker 1: and if you go to the kelly Land Animatronic Theater,

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Speaker 1: but you can find links to where you can purchase

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Speaker 1: all those sort of books that I've put out on

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Speaker 1: my websites as well, and.

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Speaker 2: We'll prop a link to the website in the show

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Speaker 2: notes to this episode as well. So thank you very

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Speaker 2: much for your time today, Aiden, It's been really informative

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Speaker 2: and we'd love to have you back on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: If you'd love to join us every couple of months

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Speaker 2: to share another story with us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. That would be absolutely wonderful. I'd really really

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Speaker 1: enjoy that, So thank you very much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again, thanks for listening. This has been In Black

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Speaker 2: and White, a podcast about some of Australia's forgotten characters,

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Speaker 2: written and hosted by me Jen Kelly, edited by Nina

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Speaker 2: Young and produced by John Burton. You can find all

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