Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Anika, thank you James. Looking forward to them
Speaker 2: and all the normal roles across the week and get
Speaker 2: ready for a massive week here on the show, because
Speaker 2: Parliament comes back and there's plenty to talk about, latest data,
Speaker 2: latest polls, breaking news that gives us more insight into
Speaker 2: the trouble that Albo is in right now, some bold
Speaker 2: predictions for the week ahead.
Speaker 1: That's the plan for the next hour.
Speaker 2: But of course, how can we not look forward just
Speaker 2: quickly before we look back for a moment here of course,
Speaker 2: on the sensation all past couple of weeks Australia in
Speaker 2: the Olympic Games. Now, as somebody who has been on
Speaker 2: television every night when much of Australia has been watching
Speaker 2: what is on the Olympics, I understand that there may
Speaker 2: be some new viewers back amongst us for the first
Speaker 2: time in two weeks. If so, welcome home, welcome back.
Speaker 2: We were here all the way, We'll be here all
Speaker 2: the way into the future, between now and the next
Speaker 2: winter and Summer Olympiad and the one after that and
Speaker 2: the one after that and the one after that. Okay,
Speaker 2: Mark Knight did a excellent series of cartoons for mainly
Speaker 2: the Heralds to certain hell. It's on Daily Telegraph, Korea Mail,
Speaker 2: Adelaide Advertiser, the Mercury in Tazzi and he put together
Speaker 2: a poster which is available on all of those websites
Speaker 2: for you to download today and it is all of
Speaker 2: the Australian gold medalists. Now Australia has the best performance
Speaker 2: we've ever had at a Games, as you know thus
Speaker 2: far with Australia finishing third. Now this is incredible. Think
Speaker 2: about the populations, think about the money, think about the training,
Speaker 2: Think about the fact that we're not hosting the Olympic
Speaker 2: Games for another eight years and there's not a huge
Speaker 2: amount of funding that's kicked in. It's not like the
Speaker 2: one just before the Sydney Games or the one just
Speaker 2: after the Sydney Games. But Australia with eighteen gold medals,
Speaker 2: is equal with Japan in terms of goal, but beats
Speaker 2: them in overall because of fifty And I'm going to
Speaker 2: say I, well, I'm very proud and excited about all
Speaker 2: of the things with the people who broke their own
Speaker 2: world records or did what was assumed of them at
Speaker 2: these Olympic Games in the sports that we would talk
Speaker 2: about outside of an Olympics. To see Australia winning gold
Speaker 2: medals in a whole variety of different sports like BMX
Speaker 2: or skateboarding of course, how the Fox sisters just own
Speaker 2: canoeing And could you believe Australia won a gold medal
Speaker 2: in pole vaulting?
Speaker 1: Now, I didn't think Australia was a chance.
Speaker 2: Remember Tatiana Grigorieva twenty four years ago in Sydney and
Speaker 2: we sort of flummed onto her and the fingers crossed
Speaker 2: fingers cross. Incredible performance from all of these people, and
Speaker 2: they've all got families and friends and big cities and
Speaker 2: little towns they all come from, and all of these
Speaker 2: things become huge buzzes. And I hope all of them
Speaker 2: get statues and murals and wherever in.
Speaker 1: Their home cities. They absolutely deserve it.
Speaker 2: I've got to say, particularly, I can't wait at some
Speaker 2: point to talk to the BMX gold medalist, the story
Speaker 2: of her injuries that have taken place, her brother's injuries,
Speaker 2: the comebacks, all of that to win to me huge
Speaker 2: Now going into these Games, Australia did something slightly different
Speaker 2: now obviously it kind of worked, which was they didn't
Speaker 2: set any official predictions. They didn't have the number of
Speaker 2: medals that they thought that Australia would end up winning,
Speaker 2: And in part that was because our chef de Michon
Speaker 2: and Emir's said she didn't want the pressure of people perform,
Speaker 2: underperforming or overperforming. Well, very obviously whatever predictions they had
Speaker 2: they have voluatoruily overperformed. The emotion coming very obviously to
Speaker 2: a head with the person who has been night and day,
Speaker 2: year in year out with this Olympic team as it's
Speaker 2: come from all corners of the country and pulled together
Speaker 2: in this phenomenal experience.
Speaker 3: I am so proud, proud for them, proud of them,
Speaker 3: proud to be here with them got so far through.
Speaker 1: By the way.
Speaker 2: I do like the global sponsorship with Coca Cola, which
Speaker 2: of course I'm fine with there's a significant user of.
Speaker 1: The beverage, but I like her.
Speaker 2: Whenever they do this, rees conference has got to sit
Speaker 2: there with a bottle of coke or in that case
Speaker 2: the no sugar and slightly turned around version and nan
Speaker 2: They pay for the games apart from television and everyone else,
Speaker 2: but there's a butt and like everyone you know, I
Speaker 2: don't want to pile on for the rest of my
Speaker 2: life on who whatever the breakdancing lady?
Speaker 1: Right, but she was really bad? Now was she better
Speaker 1: than you?
Speaker 4: And I?
Speaker 2: Yes? Did she qualify? Absolutely? Did she have a right
Speaker 2: to go to the Games? Well, yes, she earned her place.
Speaker 2: But I do love some of the nutty stuff that's
Speaker 2: come out in the past couple of days, since all
Speaker 2: of us saw it, all of us thought it, all
Speaker 2: of us saw the same thing and went uh okay. Now,
Speaker 2: of course, the mini a wag on the Internet made
Speaker 2: the connection to the show Summer Heights High and the
Speaker 2: fictitious comedic character of mister G and one of the
Speaker 2: performances that he did in front of the kids, and
Speaker 2: basically imagine the audio from this being matched with the performance.
Speaker 2: But because of the IOC broadcast rules, only show you
Speaker 2: the mister G performance. And that's what was running through
Speaker 2: my head while watching that lady a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: Now now yo yo yo, now, oh.
Speaker 2: Yill me now yellow noll mew yeww. Now. So I've
Speaker 2: got to say, I thought it's weird, but you know,
Speaker 2: good luck to us. She had a great experience, that's it.
Speaker 2: But of course, because we cannot possibly just have a
Speaker 2: weird moment where everyone just raises their eyebrows and then
Speaker 2: just memory holes and pretends it never happened. Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 2: we had to have a discussion about from whence this
Speaker 2: person had come. This is after the Internet had already
Speaker 2: made its judgment, which was a giant thumbs down, no score.
Speaker 2: You have to go as far as the Indian Express
Speaker 2: newspaper to get to the stories of exactly who this
Speaker 2: person is, and you start to draw a bit of
Speaker 2: a picture about what happened at the Olympics. The person is,
Speaker 2: in fact A P eight has a PhD in cultural studies.
Speaker 1: Fine, good luck to it.
Speaker 2: Her thesis which is titled de Territorializing Gender in Sydney's
Speaker 2: Breakdancing scene, a B Girls experience of B boying focusing
Speaker 2: on the intersection of gender and Sydney's breaking culture. Now,
Speaker 2: one would imagine, not knowing how much money there is
Speaker 2: and the social science is filled in and around breakdancing.
Speaker 2: I don't know whether this person has already paid back
Speaker 2: their hex debts and they've earned way more than fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, But one would imagine that a PhD in
Speaker 2: such things as means it might be a hefty hexted involved.
Speaker 2: So okay, that's all right, fine, we're kind of to
Speaker 2: me we'd background part of this sort of stuff that
Speaker 2: doesn't quite make sense about university. But okay, that's their world.
Speaker 3: You do you.
Speaker 2: And then the wok he's got involved, like the bloke
Speaker 2: who at one point was trying to tell us to
Speaker 2: become a republic.
Speaker 1: And he's straightway. This person's an AUSSI legend.
Speaker 2: We danced her own beat and bring marsupial energy to
Speaker 2: every contest. She's a national treasurer. Give her an AO
Speaker 2: Channel nine newspapers, I am you are, we all are
Speaker 2: the dancer. And then despite the fact that people took
Speaker 2: the piss because it felt like this athlete took the
Speaker 2: piss that if you took the piss about this performance
Speaker 2: and if you thought about mister g and if you
Speaker 2: thought about cheese break dancing and Olympic Games, well you're
Speaker 2: not just being mean. Apparently you are being sexist. You
Speaker 2: are nasty and evil and knuckle dragging and all the
Speaker 2: rest of it. Because the very same shift to Michaun,
Speaker 2: who I've got to say, to this point done a
Speaker 2: great job. You don't have to defend everything and turn
Speaker 2: around and label it stuff like this.
Speaker 3: But she did what we have had as women athletes
Speaker 3: has faced in terms of criticism, be little men judgment
Speaker 3: criticism and simple comments like they shouldn't be there?
Speaker 1: What animy as a cyclist.
Speaker 2: Isn't it a phenomenal experience as somebody who beat the
Speaker 2: world involved in the horrible car accident, she came back.
Speaker 2: It's that sort of adversity that of course we celebrate,
Speaker 2: but the idea that we're into sexism. If you found
Speaker 2: the breakdancing a bit weird, it just feels a little
Speaker 2: bit like one of those scenarios where people are just
Speaker 2: coming up with reasons to end the conversation. Now again,
Speaker 2: Australian athletes in sports that you wouldn't normally watch have
Speaker 2: done an incredible job. And there's two in particular that
Speaker 2: I love watching. I love watching at the Olympics. If
Speaker 2: they're there in the Commonwealth Games, i love watching them.
Speaker 2: I also don't mind watching the Nationals and try to
Speaker 2: find this stuff online because my little girls love the
Speaker 2: sports like rhythmic gymnastics with a team that comes together
Speaker 2: and you know, it could be everything from the ball
Speaker 2: to the ribbon and the coordination like the Italians today
Speaker 2: with their rhythmic gymnastics thing with the hoops. Unbelievable artistry
Speaker 2: and strength and all the rest of it. But you
Speaker 2: want to talk about hardcore female athletes? Is there any
Speaker 2: hardercore female athlete at the Olympic Games. Yes, I'm saying
Speaker 2: this than the artistic swimming people, because not only do
Speaker 2: they have to do all of the aerobic stuff that
Speaker 2: like cheerleaders would do, say in the NFL, they have
Speaker 2: to do it underwater, holding their breath and do it perfectly.
Speaker 2: They are strong, and they are fierce, and they are
Speaker 2: creative and they are cool. So please don't tell me
Speaker 2: I'm being sexist and evil and nasty. When a person
Speaker 2: is jumping around like a bunyip, it's just weird the watch,
Speaker 2: and not really what we would love as the greatest
Speaker 2: way of expressing ourselves globally. But she qualified, and good
Speaker 2: luck to her, and may we never talk about her again.
Speaker 1: But you and I both know what it's going to happen. Now.
Speaker 2: She'll end up being some sort of massive celebrity and
Speaker 2: they'll make a movie about it. Probably put a statue somewhere.
Speaker 2: You know, as a way of pushing back against the sexism.
Speaker 1: Just remember when you watched it and you just thought,
Speaker 1: oh that's weird. Move on.
Speaker 2: But the people that are going to bring this person
Speaker 2: up and over and over again, you know what's going
Speaker 2: to happen. But the best news breakdancing gone already four
Speaker 2: years time at the LA Games, where you would think
Speaker 2: breakdancing would probably be a thing. No, it's not going
Speaker 2: to be a thing at the next Olympic Games. So
Speaker 2: enjoy your fifteen minutes of fame. Or for some people,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say shame, because they have great
Speaker 2: pride and they have every right to be prideful about
Speaker 2: the fact that they represented themselves at the Olympics. But
Speaker 2: so did Eric the Eel remember him from the two
Speaker 2: thousand Games. I think he's still swimming.
Speaker 5: Now as we know.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has such a connection to normal people.
Speaker 2: I mean it's just it's really special. I mean here
Speaker 2: he is just interacting at the most normal and not
Speaker 2: at all cringey way with the Olympic athletes.
Speaker 1: There was the little cut a way of Toto. Oh
Speaker 1: it was beautiful.
Speaker 2: But of course, while all of that great distraction of
Speaker 2: the past couple of weeks was happening. The reality in
Speaker 2: people's lives is they can actually do two things at
Speaker 2: once and while watching the Olympics at night or in
Speaker 2: the morning, they were paying attention to what was happening
Speaker 2: with the Reserve Bank and inflation during their day. Guess
Speaker 2: what new poll just before Parliament comes back and Labor
Speaker 2: is in the world of trouble. They are being marked
Speaker 2: down specifically on economic management. But it's even worse than that.
Speaker 2: If you ever look at the latest poles via the
Speaker 2: nine newspapers and the Resolved Political Monitor, the ALP is
Speaker 2: down four points four points since the last federal election.
Speaker 2: That would be multiple seats clearly lost. We'll find out
Speaker 2: from Newspoll either tonight or next week about just how many,
Speaker 2: but we are definitely at this stage if these numbers
Speaker 2: are correct, that is minority government territory, because of course
Speaker 2: it's the Teals that block the Libs being able to
Speaker 2: get anywhere near it. That said, when you automatically go
Speaker 2: when you add say the Greens to the Labor Party,
Speaker 2: well you could probably say that people who are One
Speaker 2: Nation or United Australia Party supporters right now and that'd
Speaker 2: be another eight percent on top of the Liberal vote,
Speaker 2: gets a Liberal party deep into the forties and that
Speaker 2: would be enough to start to flip a few seats.
Speaker 2: That would be enough to see something seismic happen at
Speaker 2: the election. Now again, until the data tells me what's
Speaker 2: happening with the teals maths is mats. But the government
Speaker 2: being able to hold onto its own majority off these
Speaker 2: numbers would be impossible, and the government's going to have
Speaker 2: to have some sort of a massive comeback. But it's
Speaker 2: hard to see a comeback being led by this prime minister. Now,
Speaker 2: of course there could be another catastrophe, or there could
Speaker 2: be a global pandemic or something that's going to mean that,
Speaker 2: you know, the Prime Minister goes from you know, gags
Speaker 2: on the internet to sort of consoler in chief and
Speaker 2: suddenly as numbers go up through the roof. But if
Speaker 2: they continue being marked on their policies, they're going to
Speaker 2: start going backwards and backwards fast. He goes have a
Speaker 2: look at this when people who are asked by the
Speaker 2: Channel nine newspapers, so Sidney one, Herald Age, Brisbane times
Speaker 2: fifty one percent. So the Prime Minister's performance is poor
Speaker 2: or very poor. Just a third number thirty three and
Speaker 2: a third of people believe the prime minister is doing
Speaker 2: a good or very good job, and for the second
Speaker 2: poll this year, Peter Dutton outperforms Anthony Abernezi as the
Speaker 2: preferred prime minister. Now those that will try to pretend
Speaker 2: these numbers don't matter and don't so well, it's Queensland
Speaker 2: that's overskewing anything. Well, at what point do they start
Speaker 2: to call this a trend because what is even more
Speaker 2: devastating than the numbers are the comments that people gave
Speaker 2: to the polsters while they were giving their answers about
Speaker 2: good job, bad job, who would you vote on on
Speaker 2: which particular issue?
Speaker 1: Do you like this party or that party?
Speaker 2: Now, of course, with a third of people there are
Speaker 2: some positive comments, but have a look at this stuff
Speaker 2: and acted up to what we have been talking about
Speaker 2: since day one. Day one, you and I knew this
Speaker 2: bloke was going to be a flop. We copped it
Speaker 2: deeply at the time. Well, thankfully people are now starting
Speaker 2: to wake up and start to speak as honestly as
Speaker 2: you and I did a couple of years ago, because
Speaker 2: have a look, things can't continue like this. The cost
Speaker 2: of living increases are stupid Alberanze is coming across like
Speaker 2: a king, a bit elitist and condescending. I don't think
Speaker 2: the federal government is controlling the economy at all. All talk,
Speaker 2: no action. Crime is out of control, and they're not
Speaker 2: even admitting to it. Doesn't have the detail to hand
Speaker 2: when he's answering questions. He's not across things. Our country
Speaker 2: is in turmoil with crime and living costs, but he's
Speaker 2: missing in action. We're under so much financial stress and
Speaker 2: the government isn't lifting a finger now again, I would
Speaker 2: love to sit here and tell you that Anthony Aberneze
Speaker 2: is going to be a one term prime minist Because
Speaker 2: of the number of teals and where they are and
Speaker 2: the makeup of their electorates and how they voted in
Speaker 2: the referendum last year, the likelihood of most of those
Speaker 2: flipping back to the Liberal Party is unlikely. If I
Speaker 2: see any data that proves that, then I'll gladly present
Speaker 2: it to you. But until we know that data, and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and fill you full
Speaker 2: of fose false hope. But one thing that is seemingly
Speaker 2: inevitable is the government losing control and having to go
Speaker 2: cap in hand on every single thing they want to
Speaker 2: do after the election for the next three years in
Speaker 2: the lower House, as they will have to in the
Speaker 2: Upper House. In the upper House it's the Greens and
Speaker 2: Lamby and Pocock who have all the power. In the
Speaker 2: lower House. It may well end up being Victorian Teals
Speaker 2: as well as a collection of other people. It may
Speaker 2: will not have even been elected to the Parliament who
Speaker 2: will end up in power.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: Of course, all of these people will be asked during
Speaker 2: an election, well after an election.
Speaker 1: Which way are you're going to choose?
Speaker 2: They will all pretend that they are not going to
Speaker 2: make a choice, despite the fact that statistically that looks
Speaker 2: like where we're headed now again, and I want to
Speaker 2: get the cart before the horse, and the election seems
Speaker 2: to be months away. But right now the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: is in trouble. And he's in trouble because he set
Speaker 2: a false expectation of his prime ministership that power prices
Speaker 2: would be lower they are higher, that he would deal
Speaker 2: with the cost of living, which is worse. And the
Speaker 2: reality when it comes to the Reserve Bank is there's
Speaker 2: not a day goes by where they known tell us
Speaker 2: nothing gets better for about another six months and that's
Speaker 2: the best case scenario. So keep your eyes peeled because
Speaker 2: I will for the media types that are trying to
Speaker 2: give the free advice to the government on how.
Speaker 1: It can save itself from itself.
Speaker 2: But this is the same government that gives itself not one,
Speaker 2: not two, but three pay rises since the last election.
Speaker 2: This is the government that took fifteen hundred dollars off
Speaker 2: ten million people.
Speaker 1: To deal with the cost of living.
Speaker 2: These are the people who, when it came to tax cuts,
Speaker 2: delivered too little, too late to the people who truly
Speaker 2: need it. And these are the people who, again, when
Speaker 2: it comes to power prices, think that you will magically
Speaker 2: forget what the promise was because they may eventually get
Speaker 2: around to sending you twenty five dollars a month and
Speaker 2: cutting that off your bill which is increasing by way
Speaker 2: more than twenty five.
Speaker 1: Dollars a month.
Speaker 2: So some of the media types that are trying to
Speaker 2: find a way out for the Prime minister. Here five
Speaker 2: issues that threaten to derail the Albanezy government before the
Speaker 2: next election, with plenty of ideas by the way about
Speaker 2: how they can work around some of these things. Even
Speaker 2: the ABC. Some labor voters are disappointed in the PM,
Speaker 2: But there's still time to steady the ship, watch the
Speaker 2: free advice, because these people do not like the idea
Speaker 2: of a comfortable relationship with this Prime minister. The people
Speaker 2: around in the bubble, within the bubble being disrupted. But
Speaker 2: it looks like some people will notice that the Emperor
Speaker 2: quite as clothed as he used to be. The ASIO
Speaker 2: boss was on the ABC today after raising the terror
Speaker 2: threat level, and again I should have think they should
Speaker 2: have happened months ago, but it went from possible to probable.
Speaker 2: Mike Burgess also decided to drop a bit of information
Speaker 2: about the number of foreign governments that are actively interfering
Speaker 2: in Australian communities. Now, of course, if they're interfering in
Speaker 2: Australian communities, then I think they're potentially interfering in elections.
Speaker 2: But we couldn't possibly get involved in any of that.
Speaker 2: That would be a far right wing conspiracy. Here he
Speaker 2: is talking about some of those nations, including allegedly friendly ones,
Speaker 2: that are sending plenty of not so subtle messages to
Speaker 2: the local community about how they should act, what they
Speaker 2: should fire up about, and potentially which way they should vote.
Speaker 6: There are a range of countries that will do it,
Speaker 6: not just Iran, many countries that would surprise your viewers.
Speaker 6: When we find it, we deal with it effectively.
Speaker 1: Why can you know me Iran and not others.
Speaker 6: Becas Minister O'Neil mentioned Iran publicly, generally, I'm not in
Speaker 6: the business of actually giving up the whole range of
Speaker 6: countries other than to tell your audience there's more than
Speaker 6: one country. I can think of, at least three or
Speaker 6: four that we've actually actively found involved in foreign interference
Speaker 6: in Australia and deasperate communities.
Speaker 2: Also, on top of all of this, another thing that
Speaker 2: makes people uncomfortable right now is that today in Brisbane
Speaker 2: there was some sort of a showing of a couple
Speaker 2: of dozen people claiming to be neo Nazis. Now, just
Speaker 2: as we did when this stuff popped up in and
Speaker 2: around Australia day, this stuff's not acceptable in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form. I hope each and every single one
Speaker 2: of these people ends up being arrested. The idea that
Speaker 2: so many of them covered their faces, well, the cowardice
Speaker 2: that applies to them applies to the people who turn
Speaker 2: up in all sorts of rallies covering their faces. Today,
Speaker 2: Queensland Police apparently arrested at least four people in relation
Speaker 2: to this. Sorry, the police spokesperson says that it is
Speaker 2: alleged at this time that members of a group have
Speaker 2: become disruptive and obstructed police. As any result, four people
Speaker 2: in the group were taken into custody the assisting police
Speaker 2: with their inquiries. So we'll all find out what's happening
Speaker 2: there together. But also when we were talking about the
Speaker 2: types of things that make people feel uncomfortable, like in
Speaker 2: those polls, it is interesting to the number of people
Speaker 2: that are saying crime. Now the federal parliamentary people will say, well,
Speaker 2: we were crimes local issues of state issue. Well, hang on,
Speaker 2: health and education is also a state issue. It's just
Speaker 2: the federal government that ends up funding it. And all
Speaker 2: forms of politics love to mix things up. But the
Speaker 2: reality that it's starting to come up in a group
Speaker 2: of people and they think that it's important enough to
Speaker 2: actually start to mention in national polls shows the types
Speaker 2: of things that concern us, the stuff that's coming from overseas,
Speaker 2: the craziness that may will be happening on our streets
Speaker 2: in terms of radicalization. Then of course there's the crimes
Speaker 2: that happen all day, every day, where a fourteen year
Speaker 2: old girl has been accused.
Speaker 5: Of murder in a caravan park in Queensland fourteen.
Speaker 2: Now, remember there are people amongstus who would like to
Speaker 2: raise the age of criminal responsibility to just fourteen. That
Speaker 2: fourteen is when things should kick in. But right now
Speaker 2: a fourteen year old is being accused of that particular crime.
Speaker 2: Then there was a horrible car accident that took place
Speaker 2: this weekend where a nineteen year old died as a
Speaker 2: result of a vehicle that was allegedly being driven by
Speaker 2: a sixteen year old. The stuff matters, This stuff upsets people.
Speaker 2: This is the stuff that we demand our leaders show
Speaker 2: zero tolerance for. Now, it will be fascinating in the
Speaker 2: next twenty four hours what people will show their.
Speaker 1: Zero tolerance for.
Speaker 2: Will they show their zero tolerance for the stealing of cars?
Speaker 2: Will they show their zero tolerance for teenagers involved in murder?
Speaker 2: Will they show their zero tolerance from foreign governments trying
Speaker 2: to get involved in our society, where they show zero
Speaker 2: tolerance for the appearance of neo Nazis on our streets. Well,
Speaker 2: of course, the answer is all of those things and
Speaker 2: a whole lot more, because regardless of whether you are left,
Speaker 2: right or center.
Speaker 1: Living with safety and security.
Speaker 2: Is one of the most fundamental things that all governments
Speaker 2: must deliver for us. And when we see endless examples
Speaker 2: of them failing to do so, then they can tell
Speaker 2: us everything they want about what their priorities are. But
Speaker 2: we all know what their priorities are, which is covering
Speaker 2: their backside and changing the subject now on the show,
Speaker 2: we are pro police. We are pro police because they
Speaker 2: go towards the most difficult of situations when everyone else
Speaker 2: runs the other way. This is their job. This is
Speaker 2: what they do for twelve hours.
Speaker 5: Each shift, and they do it for years and years
Speaker 5: and years.
Speaker 2: This program is pro the fire Brigade, and not just
Speaker 2: because they put fires out, but because, particularly the volunteers
Speaker 2: and regional areas where they end up responding to things
Speaker 2: like car accidents, they have seen horrible things. And this
Speaker 2: program is pro ambulance and paramedics because again they see
Speaker 2: people in the worst moments of their life.
Speaker 1: That is their job. But all of these people.
Speaker 2: Suffer from the traumas that they experience. We do virtually
Speaker 2: nothing as a society to actually support the men and
Speaker 2: women of our emergency services. Littlone the volunteers in our
Speaker 2: emergency services for when they decide to leave any of
Speaker 2: those services. Now there's some support, of course while you
Speaker 2: are working, and obviously you can ring this hotline and
Speaker 2: ring that hot line all the rest of it, right,
Speaker 2: but the support is not there, and many people end
Speaker 2: up leaving the police, the fire, the ambulance and the
Speaker 2: voluntary services way longer, way before they would actually plan
Speaker 2: on doing so because of the traumas and the stresses
Speaker 2: that end are building inside their bodies. We need to
Speaker 2: have a Royal commission into trauma in our emergency services.
Speaker 2: How do we help these people who help us all
Speaker 2: day every day. And of course wider conversations need to
Speaker 2: be had about mental health and mental illness, and about
Speaker 2: some of the madness that police, fire and ambulance people
Speaker 2: have to deal with every day, let alone the nurses
Speaker 2: and everyone else, because our system does not treat effectively
Speaker 2: enough the people who wander amongst us, who clearly shouldn't
Speaker 2: be wandering amongst us, not because we don't want to
Speaker 2: be confronted by something that is uncomfortable, but because we're
Speaker 2: waning to make sure that those people are safe, That
Speaker 2: people who may well end up harming themselves or others.
Speaker 2: Are safe in a place where they are treated with
Speaker 2: absolute dignity, but do not have to scrounge and fight
Speaker 2: like so often they do when they end up on
Speaker 2: skid row. Perfect example of this which has come after
Speaker 2: the terrorist actions where those police officers were killed in Queensland.
Speaker 5: Now, as you know, the.
Speaker 2: Coroner is currently having an investigation into all of this
Speaker 2: and he claims this being the police Union and the
Speaker 2: Police Commissioner, that we need to have greater focus in
Speaker 2: and around mental health. I'm concerned that we're seeing more
Speaker 2: people with weapons, bladed weapons in particular, wanting to confront
Speaker 2: police in these types of situations, says the Police Commissioner.
Speaker 2: It's something I'm very concerned about. Looking at the numbers
Speaker 2: of shootings that we've had in recent years, there's no
Speaker 2: particular trend. The trend go up and down year to year,
Speaker 2: but we're seeing increased numbers of people with mental health
Speaker 2: issues involved. As for the police Union, they say that
Speaker 2: although they don't really believe in inquiries or royal commissions,
Speaker 2: they want a Royal commission into the issue of mental health.
Speaker 2: The Health Department is funded nationally and the states administer
Speaker 2: the funds accordingly. So I believe this is a national
Speaker 2: issue where we are seeing people who are affected by
Speaker 2: mental health, who need treatments and have traveled between states
Speaker 2: and different jurisdictions. Because often when you do that, the
Speaker 2: computer and your record is wiped or it becomes harder
Speaker 2: to work out what your history is. Mental health is
Speaker 2: something the police do with on a daily basis. We
Speaker 2: need to look at the greater issue of mental health
Speaker 2: within society and address it and provide treatment, not incarceration. See,
Speaker 2: this is the whole point, right about priorities of government.
Speaker 2: I remember in the twenty nineteen election People's Forum, Bruce
Speaker 2: here on Sky News and Bill Shorten, I think it
Speaker 2: was who was asking about does anyone know somebody who
Speaker 2: has committed suicide? And basically after the room put their
Speaker 2: hand up. Scott Morrison at the time, I think, asked
Speaker 2: a similar question about mental health and again and put
Speaker 2: their hand up. You See, nobody thinks government can solve
Speaker 2: all of these problems because many of these problems are individuals,
Speaker 2: and individuals who do or don't want to seek treatment,
Speaker 2: do or don't want to take the drugs that they
Speaker 2: are prescribed, but we've got.
Speaker 1: A massive problem here.
Speaker 2: And if you actually saw a government who was willing
Speaker 2: to look into all of this where everything is on
Speaker 2: the table. No, not dark and dingy sandstone institutions of
Speaker 2: the nineteen thirties, not electro shock therapy, but somebody having
Speaker 2: the courage to say, maybe there are some people who
Speaker 2: shouldn't be out there who are out there. Conversely, when
Speaker 2: we're talking about mental health in the same way we're
Speaker 2: talking about it with veterans, why not talk about it
Speaker 2: with the emergency services. You see governments that actually invest
Speaker 2: in this stuff and I mean time and political capital
Speaker 2: and make this stuff priorities. They stand out from the
Speaker 2: crowd because if you're just doing what say, the queen's
Speaker 2: own government's doing, which is just pretending, oh well, one
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for this and three hundred dollars for that
Speaker 2: and fifty cents for this and lower petrol, all of
Speaker 2: that guff and garbage. Want to deal with the real stuff,
Speaker 2: and then people go, this is a real person who
Speaker 2: will be fighting on real issues, and that's why they
Speaker 2: deserve my vote.
Speaker 1: But of course it would be.
Speaker 2: A brave government, and we do not have an era
Speaker 2: of brave politicians amongst us. I hope someone proves me wrong,
Speaker 2: perhaps as soon as tomorrow. A couple of quick things
Speaker 2: worth mentioning. Remember the news of Oil's premier, Dominique Peritate.
Speaker 2: Now he was the common sense man sitting around a
Speaker 2: table that often made weird decisions in New South Wales,
Speaker 2: but he was one of the first leaders to actually
Speaker 2: start to break the seal. He actually gave an interview
Speaker 2: after leaving News of Oil's politics where he says that
Speaker 2: his government didn't deserve a fourth term. So you just
Speaker 2: should have saved the Liberal Party money and not had
Speaker 2: a campaign.
Speaker 1: Perhaps.
Speaker 2: What about these bastards And I'm sorry to use that word,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to who went around to Woomba and
Speaker 2: the cemetery there three hundred different headstones have been damaged,
Speaker 2: knocked over, smashed up, all of it in a night. Now,
Speaker 2: these people, honestly, this isn't vandalism. This is something worse.
Speaker 2: Why because that's people, it's people under the earth. That's
Speaker 2: people who may will still be amongst us, or the
Speaker 2: people who are long gone in both directions, who tended
Speaker 2: to those graves.
Speaker 1: Whose job is it to fix?
Speaker 2: Remember, it's not the cemetery but it's the individuals about
Speaker 2: what happens there. I'll keep you updated meantime. Another list
Speaker 2: of similar B words. There is a park in northern Sydney.
Speaker 2: It's at Taramorrow, I think, yes, in Northern Sydney where
Speaker 2: somebody decided to pull off the wall one of the
Speaker 2: brass plates that had all the names of people who
Speaker 2: had from the local area and fought in the First
Speaker 2: World War. Why because they'll smelt it down and they'll
Speaker 2: make money from it. Yeah, but I do twist now
Speaker 2: to a slightly better version, but a similar type of story.
Speaker 2: Remember a few months ago I told you about.
Speaker 1: A horrible, awful story.
Speaker 2: Little girl died. Mum and dad put a little tiara
Speaker 2: on her headstone and someone stole it, because yeah, people
Speaker 2: do this stuff. Thankfully, the parents made a lot of
Speaker 2: noise about it. They were willing to talk about how
Speaker 2: horrible this made them feel. And a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: ago somebody decided to return it.
Speaker 1: So they got it back.
Speaker 2: They got this symbol of that little girl back and
Speaker 2: I don't know where it is right now. But how
Speaker 2: do we not have cameras, motion cameras, all the rest
Speaker 2: of that around all of these cemeteries, all monuments and.
Speaker 1: All the rest of it.
Speaker 2: They've got plenty of cameras for illegal dumping and jaywalking
Speaker 2: and looking at your What about some extra stuff in
Speaker 2: and around here, we'll find together. Donald Trump did not
Speaker 2: have a good weekend. Now we will prefer when he's
Speaker 2: a dancing man. He's leading the poles. He's got the swagger.
Speaker 2: He's ready to go fight, fight, fight. But a couple
Speaker 2: of things we need to tell you about. Apparently his
Speaker 2: campaign has been hacked. The assumption is that it has
Speaker 2: come from Iran. Internal emails may well get leaked. This,
Speaker 2: of course, happened at Hillary campaign in sixteen. The reason
Speaker 2: that Iran would want to do it is because he
Speaker 2: wants to tear up the Iron Nuclear Deal and they
Speaker 2: would have to add back.
Speaker 1: Billions of dollars.
Speaker 2: Meantime, New York Times kind of the A grade poll
Speaker 2: at the national level says that Harris is leading, and
Speaker 2: she's leading in three swing states, the most important one Pennsylvania. Remember,
Speaker 2: if Trump doesn't win Pennsylvania, then he doesn't win the presidency.
Speaker 2: And he definitely needs to also win the state of Nevada.
Speaker 2: Now he's been able to win the state of Nevada
Speaker 2: because or been leading, I should say, in the state
Speaker 2: of Nevada, because he told all the people who work
Speaker 2: in the casinos, no tax on tips. The Democrats have
Speaker 2: now said, yep, good idea, we'll do that too. This
Speaker 2: is generally a place that has always voted blue. If
Speaker 2: it flips back, then this thing becomes very line ball.
Speaker 2: If you can't get up in Pennsylvania, then of course
Speaker 2: it will be a loss. But it's not all bad
Speaker 2: news because there are some people that are the pole
Speaker 2: aggregators who say, hey, okay, radio, just don't get too excited. Yes,
Speaker 2: she's going to win in the national polls because there
Speaker 2: are more people in New York, there are more people
Speaker 2: in California, and they're going to beat by a bigger margin.
Speaker 2: So who cares if she's leading by two or four
Speaker 2: or six, Because when we're actually talking about the United States,
Speaker 2: the right track wrong track is rather important as well.
Speaker 2: Now this is regardless of whether it's Biden or it's Harris,
Speaker 2: but certainly after Harris became the Democrat nominee, the number
Speaker 2: of people in the United States I think the joints
Speaker 2: headed in the wrong direction. It remains astonishingly high. Sixty five,
Speaker 2: sixty six, sixty one, seventy percent of people or sixty percent.
Speaker 2: So I'm not toil entirely sure how the person who's
Speaker 2: been around the table for the past four years has
Speaker 2: been side by side with the bloke making everything worse
Speaker 2: is apparently the panacea for everything. But we know there's
Speaker 2: the great Carmela Reducts that's happening under our very own
Speaker 2: noses and before our very own eyes. But we've got
Speaker 2: to hope the good people of the United States don't
Speaker 2: fall for the bull and they just look at what's
Speaker 2: the reality around them. As for the top battleground states,
Speaker 2: again real qulear politics. It puts together all of the
Speaker 2: existing polls Arizona Trump leading, Nevada, Trump leading, Wisconsin, Trump leading, Michigan,
Speaker 2: Trump losing, Pennsylvania leading just and I mean just zero
Speaker 2: point eight of a percent. So that's a time North
Speaker 2: Carolina leading, and Georgia just now. If he lost Nevada
Speaker 2: and Georgia game over, if he lost Pennsylvania and game over,
Speaker 2: If he lost Nevada and Pennsylvania, game over, and that's.
Speaker 5: The good news.
Speaker 1: Quick breakback with more plenty to.
Speaker 2: Talk about, including bold predictions for the weak ahead as
Speaker 2: Parliament comes back. Our bows in the world of trouble
Speaker 2: and does anyone have the balls to deal with mental health?
Speaker 2: And yet the weirdness of the Olympics more than a cent.
Speaker 2: Oh so much to talk about, from breakdancing to politics
Speaker 2: and all in between. We will do so with Graham Lloyd,
Speaker 2: the associate editor of The Australian newspaper, also particular expertise
Speaker 2: in and around the environment sector. The lady who is
Speaker 2: about to step off Sydney City Council. And I've got
Speaker 2: to say it was an absolute honor to be amongst
Speaker 2: friends and fans as she had sort of a valedictory
Speaker 2: dinner on behalf of those that she's worked with in
Speaker 2: local government. Our wonderful mate Linda Scott labor to her bootstraps.
Speaker 2: But who cares because we all love each other.
Speaker 1: Don't we?
Speaker 7: Friends across the political divid It was lovely, Thank you
Speaker 7: for coming, and it was lovely to have actually just
Speaker 7: you know, mayors from right across the state, right across
Speaker 7: the country there to have a celebration about how united
Speaker 7: and fantastic local government was.
Speaker 2: I love that you can tell who's from Burke and
Speaker 2: you can tell who's from Newtown and they all love
Speaker 2: Linda and rightly, so all right, let's talk.
Speaker 1: Just okay, can we took on the breakdancing thing?
Speaker 2: Okay, so right now, good luck? Did they qualify yes?
Speaker 2: Is it their thing? Yes? Did she write a doctoral thesis? Yes?
Speaker 2: Was it weird? Absolutely? Is it sexist to talk about it?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 2: Why does the Prime minister have an opinion on the issue.
Speaker 8: The Olympics is about people participating in sport.
Speaker 2: That's a good thing.
Speaker 8: And Reagan had a crack good honor and a big
Speaker 8: shout out to her. That is in the Australian tradition
Speaker 8: of people having a go. She's had a go representing
Speaker 8: our country and that's a good thing.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: no no.
Speaker 2: Kids. Soccer is about participation, all right. The Olympic Games
Speaker 2: is some slightly different, I am, but how did we
Speaker 2: get here where the collective sort of oh that was
Speaker 2: weird has now become dividing lines on worldviews? Here it's breakdancing,
Speaker 2: it's come, it's gone, and it won't be coming back
Speaker 2: to the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, it's quite incredible, isn't that? Paul?
Speaker 4: I think too good? On her for having a crack,
Speaker 4: but she represented Australia. She had a crack, she scored
Speaker 4: no points, and people felt, wow, this isn't really the
Speaker 4: way we roll, and they had something to say about it.
Speaker 4: I think the best you can say is that you know,
Speaker 4: when you put yourself in that position, it's never a
Speaker 4: good day to look at what they're saying about you
Speaker 4: on social media. And as far as it being a
Speaker 4: gender thing, very hard to believe. I mean, it wouldn't
Speaker 4: matter who did it, the response would be the same.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I noticed some of the people that are deep diving
Speaker 2: now because obviously you know doctoral thesis, there's a bit
Speaker 2: of thinking behind all of what we saw here. Apparently
Speaker 2: I'm noticing here and some of the online stuff right
Speaker 2: that she's intentionally bad because it is an attempt to
Speaker 2: subvert the meritocracy basically, and it is about making sure
Speaker 2: that and I can hear, I'm just going to wow, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is from her doctoral thesis. Our confession then opens
Speaker 2: up the space to consider the ethics of who can
Speaker 2: access and traverse hip hop's hierarchies of authority, because if
Speaker 2: we break down the model of authenticity further, I don't
Speaker 2: care I don't care.
Speaker 7: Here's the thing, Paul Murray, when was the last time
Speaker 7: you read a Western Sydney doctoral thesis? Nothing else. This
Speaker 7: incredible woman should be celebrated academic life, you know, to
Speaker 7: the public debate.
Speaker 2: Of course, I love her.
Speaker 7: I think she's amazing and she dances to the rhythm
Speaker 7: of her own What a fantastic thing to do. I mean,
Speaker 7: I do think that there's been lots of performances across
Speaker 7: the Olympics actually where we've seen. My sons were cheering
Speaker 7: for the fact that the second last runner in last
Speaker 7: night's marathon was a Macedoni. They were going mental about
Speaker 7: how great that was. So there's been lots of cheering
Speaker 7: for the underdog as well as lots of cheering, of
Speaker 7: course for the incredible.
Speaker 2: But as my passionate lefty is, it's sexist for us
Speaker 2: just to say she was terrible.
Speaker 7: But I do think some of the country has been
Speaker 7: a bit sexist, because you wouldn't get that for a
Speaker 7: man who got no points a.
Speaker 2: Bloke dance like that. If any bloke, any person dance
Speaker 2: like that, I'd be ripping in terror, just exactly the
Speaker 2: same way I had to. Even went through the whole
Speaker 2: thing about how I loved or.
Speaker 7: You haven't mean you you haven't like there's no kind
Speaker 7: of because there's no example of it. Well you haven't seen.
Speaker 2: Here's the example of the zero points bloke with the
Speaker 2: cap dancing around like a bunyip. When that happens, I
Speaker 2: promise you will.
Speaker 7: I look forward to doing that with you next Olympics.
Speaker 7: But I'm you know, I'm with Peter fitz Simons.
Speaker 2: I am you are. We are right, he will be
Speaker 2: rage watching as we speak. They were hello to the
Speaker 2: Bandanna man used to invite me to his house, of course,
Speaker 2: but then he said no too rightly.
Speaker 1: Very inclusive though.
Speaker 2: Isn't he. Now Let's talk here to the pols that
Speaker 2: have dropped this evening which shows prime instruments in trouble right,
Speaker 2: fifty one fifty one percent of people saying poor or
Speaker 2: very poor, a third of the country saying okay.
Speaker 1: The rest, of course, all still up for grabs.
Speaker 2: The comments in the Poland was really interesting here, and Graham,
Speaker 2: you know, I've had a sense about why the government
Speaker 2: wouldn't live up to its promises. But thankfully people are
Speaker 2: now starting to notice, Hey, didn't you promise lower cost
Speaker 2: of living? Didn't you promise lower power bills. Didn't you
Speaker 2: promise transparency? And all of those things haven't turned up,
Speaker 2: and the supposed solutions to many of those things are
Speaker 2: either mirages like the three hundred bucks for mansions and
Speaker 2: one bedroom houses in the bush, or they're too little,
Speaker 2: too late, sort of crumbs falling off the table, and
Speaker 2: we're told to be grateful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul, you always get down to the main game,
Speaker 4: which is the economy. In every election, the time is
Speaker 4: running out for the federal government. Here the Reserve Bank
Speaker 4: is sending messages that look, it's not going to plan.
Speaker 4: It's not going to be cutting rates on the timetable
Speaker 4: that the government would like to have, and that is
Speaker 4: starting to seep into people's consciousness. I think the first
Speaker 4: year there was a lot of distraction. People are now
Speaker 4: waking up and saying, well, look, what is the big
Speaker 4: picture here and how does it affect me? And you're
Speaker 4: starting to see it in the polls, and I'm sure
Speaker 4: they would start to be worried.
Speaker 2: Now again, Linda, I do the caveat, so I follow that,
Speaker 2: you know all the rest of it, saying, you know,
Speaker 2: evidence about the till seats moving, if the teal seats
Speaker 2: don't move, then it's just a conversation about majority versus minority.
Speaker 2: But the polls are relentless about a minority government. Now,
Speaker 2: Anthony Alberaneze will so what I dealt with Oakshot, I
Speaker 2: dealt with windsor we got the Greens and but we
Speaker 2: did it last time, we can do it again.
Speaker 1: But it's different when you're the prime minister.
Speaker 2: It means you have to go to them on every
Speaker 2: single issue and what give them to sign an NDA
Speaker 2: before you make a decision that that is not what
Speaker 2: Australian Well, it is what Australians want because they'll vote
Speaker 2: for it, but that's not great for the country if
Speaker 2: they do.
Speaker 7: Look, I think that there's no doubt coming into the
Speaker 7: next federal election that labor will be the underdog again.
Speaker 7: The global economic circumstances that we face and the inflationary
Speaker 7: pressures of course not just here in Australia but really
Speaker 7: globally very significant and for that reason, you know Grahame
Speaker 7: is right. The economy is such a big indicator of
Speaker 7: how people vote, labor will clearly be the underdog. These polls,
Speaker 7: though released just tonight, show us that actually labor has
Speaker 7: increased a point when it comes to their primary vote
Speaker 7: and the coalition has gone down one point.
Speaker 1: So you know, this is from the last pole.
Speaker 7: This is going to be yes correct, from the last poll.
Speaker 7: This is going to be a tight election, and we
Speaker 7: don't know when it will be held. But look, it
Speaker 7: is the case that so much of the government's skilled
Speaker 7: management of the economy is not necessarily able to be
Speaker 7: completely visible to people.
Speaker 2: I do want to call that.
Speaker 7: There's a great article I read it online by John
Speaker 7: Rolph who write about his efforts to just go through
Speaker 7: and save his family a bit of money on their
Speaker 7: power bills, saving more than the kind of three hundred
Speaker 7: dollars promised. So there are ways that people can look
Speaker 7: at their cost of living pressures and really work with
Speaker 7: the efforts and the policies of the government to drive
Speaker 7: them down. But here's the line. Peter Dutton has to
Speaker 7: outline what he's going to do differently, and the issue
Speaker 7: at the moment is we don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: We don't know what.
Speaker 7: Peter Dutton and the Liberals and the Nationals are going
Speaker 7: to cut. They've said they don't want the wage growth
Speaker 7: that we've seen under labor Will you know, will they
Speaker 7: stop that, Will they pull the wage increases that we've
Speaker 7: seen for you know earlier we've well, no, but we've
Speaker 7: got to see what Peter Dutton is putting on the
Speaker 7: table that he says he's going to make a difference,
Speaker 7: and we just don't know any of that.
Speaker 2: And Graham has been this has been my issue right now.
Speaker 2: If the economy is front and center, then an opposition
Speaker 2: needs to actually say, in part, what would he do
Speaker 2: to help deal with it? Right now, I know that
Speaker 2: the way that for a lot of people politics works,
Speaker 2: which is we vote out governments. We don't vote in oppositions,
Speaker 2: but you have to if you don't have like the
Speaker 2: treasurer from the last government who everyone loved, which they
Speaker 2: don't and everyone didn't. But that's a difficult offering because
Speaker 2: it's not like you're going back to the people who
Speaker 2: were okay. This was part of the issue and part
Speaker 2: of the advantage that the Libs had in twenty and
Speaker 2: ten in twenty thirteen is they had some of the
Speaker 2: rump of the people that were there during the Howard years.
Speaker 2: There's not going to be that sort of automatic Oh,
Speaker 2: let's just go back to the way it was, because
Speaker 2: of course what was was heavily rejected. Do you think
Speaker 2: that Peter Dutton needs to actually say, okay, well here's
Speaker 2: a couple of my ideas when it comes to the economy,
Speaker 2: or you don't do that because this model.
Speaker 1: Just steal them.
Speaker 4: I think Peter Dunn has to say that the most
Speaker 4: important thing is productivity and growing the economy.
Speaker 2: He can cast back to the Howd and.
Speaker 4: Costello years and say that there was a good economic
Speaker 4: management there and it was about growing the economy. Paul
Speaker 4: Keating was always about growing the pie before you cut
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 2: And if you look at the language.
Speaker 4: From the Reserve Bank now and the way the government
Speaker 4: is really putting the effort into the public sector and
Speaker 4: that is crowding out the private sector, it is the
Speaker 4: wrong productivity message. I think there is fertile ground there
Speaker 4: for the coalition to stand on its record on the economy,
Speaker 4: which is generally a strength, and the Albansi government at
Speaker 4: this point in time really needs to get the message out.
Speaker 2: That it's up to the task. Yeah, Labour's probably volt falls.
Speaker 2: Liberal parties lifts in newspaper which has just dropped online.
Speaker 1: Simon Ben's the details they're two.
Speaker 2: Party preferred is it fifty to fifty and fifty seven
Speaker 2: percent of people believe there will be a minority government
Speaker 2: after the next election. Quick break back with more here
Speaker 2: on Palmary Life. Thank you so much for watching here
Speaker 2: with Graham, Lloyd and with the delightful, delightful Linda Scott.
Speaker 2: Let's talk here about I wasn't taking the piece.
Speaker 1: I actually do like you.
Speaker 2: Let's talk here about Harris and Trump. Look, pick your
Speaker 2: numbers about whether Trump is starting to go underwater or
Speaker 2: whether Harris is.
Speaker 1: Hitting a high point.
Speaker 2: From here, of course, there is still the Democratic Convention.
Speaker 2: Then there's the debates. There's a couple of things that
Speaker 2: will either make things better or worse for the person
Speaker 2: that you would like.
Speaker 5: In my case, micro pretend it's Trump, Graham.
Speaker 2: Obviously, this is one of those moments where people need
Speaker 2: to understand that, just as it was for Biden that
Speaker 2: as soon as he went south, he stayed south and
Speaker 2: never moved, that people shouldn't have the assumption that, oh,
Speaker 2: you can be behind for a little bit because you
Speaker 2: can fight back later. What's your read of what's happening
Speaker 2: in America right now? Well, I think.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump had momentum when Joe Biden was there, it
Speaker 4: was his strongest suit. You would expect that Kamala Harris
Speaker 4: is going to get a bit of a honeymoon and
Speaker 4: a bounce from being put up as a presumptive nominee.
Speaker 2: It's still early days.
Speaker 4: I think we haven't seen a head to head contest
Speaker 4: between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: things that can go wrong between here and November for
Speaker 4: both sides. So I think we need to see the convention.
Speaker 4: We need to see how each tackles the other in public,
Speaker 4: and then I think the American voters will start to
Speaker 4: make up their mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Linda, he's the danger zones for both
Speaker 2: of them. Right, Harris is tightly controlled, stay on score
Speaker 2: ripped because if you give them an opportunity, then obviously
Speaker 2: the people who don't want you are going to come
Speaker 2: at you pretty hard.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: But you can't go through and not do an interview,
Speaker 5: or not give a speech, or not do it.
Speaker 1: It's just not possible.
Speaker 2: Maybe, but we didn't think that it'll be possible to
Speaker 2: push you out of president, but of course they did. Conversely,
Speaker 2: if Trump starts to think that he's losing it, then
Speaker 2: he might think I've got to take wilder and wilder swings,
Speaker 2: and that of course makes things for some people ever worse. Clearly,
Speaker 2: you're feeling better than you were when it was Biden.
Speaker 7: Look, it's hard to remember, but it was only you know,
Speaker 7: three weeks ago Biden was still the Democratic nominee, presumptive nominee.
Speaker 7: So it's been a pretty remarkable three weeks, hasn't it
Speaker 7: in US politics? And when you look at the poles,
Speaker 7: of course Harris has now much more momentum. But when
Speaker 7: you take an average of all the polls currently, you know,
Speaker 7: it's half percent between them. So I think it is
Speaker 7: a really, really unpredictable race. We're right all to point
Speaker 7: out that there's a long way to go. What is
Speaker 7: also interesting, though, is that they're two really experienced candidates,
Speaker 7: Like usually in these races, you know, you don't have
Speaker 7: a vice president president, right, So I think it is
Speaker 7: going to be this really interesting race. Both good campaigners,
Speaker 7: both pretty organized machines, both experienced leaders in their own right,
Speaker 7: and very tight polls but a very divided America. You know,
Speaker 7: I just think it's going to be a fascinating race
Speaker 7: to watch. But again, you know, as a clearly you
Speaker 7: know labor Democrat person. I mean, if Trump wins, it
Speaker 7: is going to have international ramifications. You know, there are yes,
Speaker 7: everything will get better, there are I saw a piece
Speaker 7: tonight about farmers, you know that are worried in America
Speaker 7: about the trade deals and the impact. It's going to
Speaker 7: be bad.
Speaker 2: It won't be relaxed. I can talk you through all
Speaker 2: the other talking points.
Speaker 1: That will be fine. Thank you very much, Linda, Thank you, Graham.
Speaker 1: We'll see you again tomorrow night. He's a Royal report.