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Speaker 2: In New Zealand. I remember you when the first house

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's getting close now with the trials aboud

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Speaker 1: It. There used to be a Rodney Dangerfield quote. You

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Speaker 2: Look, I think that went over people said the Roddie

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I was probably slightly wrong. The context is probably

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Speaker 1: And some people when your third parties do play silly

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Speaker 1: it's like someone's saying, have you got interest anymore in

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Speaker 2: You could focus on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where it comes from. I don't know

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Speaker 1: you see what you can do. Which club is it head,

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Speaker 1: It turned out was mainly because Cliffy was a certain age.

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Speaker 2: Because because they aren't allowed approach directly some like given

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Speaker 2: Yes, mate, we get it.

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Speaker 1: You don't. You don't need to defend yourself here, which

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Speaker 1: Would you be interested in going to Quebec, Canada? Would?

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Speaker 2: You have a you have a stand you're supposed to

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Speaker 1: You would not get as much satisfaction. There will be

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Speaker 1: The one The clubs you want to go to are

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So if let's let's say you let's say you

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Speaker 2: Is there a certain club that you would like to

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Speaker 1: I think I think there's caught a few. I'm just

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Speaker 1: Sorry he has lived his whole life, but in his

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Speaker 1: Good, how is Roles he going? Let's let's move into

434
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Speaker 1: some of the stories going around the club. If you

435
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Speaker 1: spoke to Rosie, you speak him quite a bit.

436
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Speaker 2: He rang me the other day when he was doing

437
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 2: that drive. Actually the OS files. Great man, he's very good.

438
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,440
Speaker 2: Sounds sounds very busy. I think he has been quite

439
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,639
Speaker 2: busy with paramatter.

440
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,400
Speaker 1: Which had he's had a lot to do with early.

441
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, lots and lots to deal with. So I

442
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 2: think he's he's pretty happy at the moment. He gave

443
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 2: a few boys a big rap down there, a lot

444
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Speaker 2: of he said, they trained really hard. So they've been

445
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 2: and the playing group has been looking really good. I

446
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 2: mean I think you were saying, you know, they someone

447
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 2: saw Junior Paula at the airport.

448
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I went through the airport at Ballina and

449
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Speaker 1: there was young Sam and fellow there who was on security,

450
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 1: and you know you go through put the wallety in

451
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Speaker 1: through the other side, and he said, I made He said,

452
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Speaker 1: paramedic came through it yesterday. He said, I can't believe

453
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,400
Speaker 1: how fit they looked. He said, junior bolo. He said,

454
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: he's just looked rock hard fit. So that's a great sign.

455
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 2: That is a good sign, really good.

456
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Speaker 1: So I say, he's really who's a great operator. Who's

457
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,880
Speaker 1: there with Rosey Scotty Wiseman.

458
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Speaker 2: Where's he come from?

459
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Speaker 1: Scotty was years and years ago, was a player of

460
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:58,919
Speaker 1: Paramatta at Para. Then as far as coaching has moved in,

461
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: he just moved into rugby union. So he coached at

462
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: the Wallabies and assistant for a lot of years under

463
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Speaker 1: Eddie Jones in particular, and then he was assistant coach

464
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,439
Speaker 1: to Eddie Jones in English rugby union. But he's been

465
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Speaker 1: around a lot of places. Is a great guy. Scotty Wiseman.

466
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Speaker 3: We had him at Newcastle cover, Yeah, yeah, Adam had

467
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 3: him there I think midway through twenty two possibly, and

468
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Speaker 3: he has a lot of good strategies that you know,

469
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 3: how to get the you know, they started around the

470
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 3: league at halftime. Now you'll see a lot of teams

471
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Speaker 3: getting their huddles, so the pack in the middle. Then

472
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 3: you'll have the right edge and the left edge and

473
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Speaker 3: certain groups together at halftime.

474
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Speaker 1: Now.

475
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Speaker 3: I think he sort of brought that in to Melbourne

476
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Speaker 3: and then I know we did a bit of work

477
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Speaker 3: there and I think all those assistants under Craig had

478
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 3: worked with him previously.

479
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a terrific fellow too. He'd be a really

480
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: good fool for Rosy and I reckon the players were

481
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: really like him. But yeah, he's had a lot to

482
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Speaker 1: deal with. I mean the Dylan Brown Mitch Mas' situation

483
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Speaker 1: more Dylan Brown. I mean that's been you know, for

484
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: Risy to walk into that that that's difficult and they've

485
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: got to get those clauses out because you can do

486
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 1: it every single year. It's just that it's the worst

487
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: deal I've seen done by a club to give someone

488
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Speaker 1: that longer contract but then give them a clause. Is

489
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Speaker 1: it every year?

490
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Speaker 2: I think it's I don't know if it's every year,

491
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: it's every couple of years. And I think there was

492
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 2: the similar thing every two years Jack and firm. I

493
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 2: think there's a There was a similar thing gone on

494
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: with Forfeeda and Tino up at the Titans, remember that,

495
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 2: where there was clauses sort of every couple of years

496
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Speaker 2: they get them. Look, that's the problem at the moment

497
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 2: with the league. If you're not Penrith Storm, you probably

498
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 2: chucked the roosters in there to an extent, like probably

499
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: not as much anymore, but particularly those two sides, they

500
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Speaker 2: hold all the power and negotiations where you come there.

501
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: And I was talking to Harry Grand about this the

502
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 2: other day because we were we were unpacking some of

503
00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 2: the bottom team's bottom foward bottom eight teams sell cap. Now,

504
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: if you're in that, if you're in the bottom ete,

505
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: you have to pay say I'm a player where two

506
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: hundred to get them out of a storm or in Melbourne,

507
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 2: you have to pay them one hundred, two hundred thousand,

508
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 2: more than they're actually probably worth and more than the

509
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 2: top teams can get them for. So by the time

510
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 2: you build up your squad of thirty, you've probably got

511
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: an extra two million. You spend another two million on

512
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: that sort of average player who you should have for

513
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: two hundred, But you've had to get them for three

514
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: point fifty and if you're a top club, that leaves

515
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 2: an extra two million in your salary captain, to attract

516
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: a kayleem Ponger, to attract a Tom Trerovitch, to get

517
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 2: these big name players.

518
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: Well, how many times have you heard it that someone says,

519
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 1: you get a very good young player. Well, I mean

520
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: Blaise Delaney is the best example. I don't know, but

521
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: I would imagine maybe the Penrith maybe probably wouldn't have

522
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: matched parameters offer. But he's going, mate, I'm I'm going

523
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: to Penrith. Yeah, So people will go as you said,

524
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: Penrith Melbourne, Melbourne and those top clubs, they'll go there

525
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: for less again, which puts so much pressure on the

526
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: on those lower clubs. But Dylan, the Dylan situation and

527
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: the Mitchell situation with the clause, what they have surrendered

528
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: now paramount they have surrendered power to the agents and

529
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: well under the agents, the agents have done a great

530
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: job there that you can never press the agent's fault.

531
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Speaker 1: They're doing the best thing for They've done a great

532
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: job for Mitchen, for Dylan. Like if if as a player,

533
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: you're going that's outstanding because for years the clubs have

534
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: probably had held that power. But but okay, what about this.

535
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: If the agents get there one year and they say,

536
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, Dylan really likes this play, love loves his center,

537
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: he wants to play with his center. We want you

538
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: to sign him. Oh we're not going to sign him.

539
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 2: Well, you know, particularly if that centers on their books.

540
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: Well that's well, this is the thing that can happen,

541
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: and this is this is going to be the thing

542
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: that Roles is going to have to wade through in

543
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: his time at Paramatta. It's going to it's going to

544
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: be tricky. He's got to rend ten Dylan. Yeah, yeah,

545
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: round ten At the moment, I would say Erin is

546
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: probably eighty twenty in my opinion. Then he'll stay. Although

547
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: the same Newcastle is going to make a big Lord Channing.

548
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in a second. But you know,

549
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: if it's getting close to round ten and they've won

550
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: two and they've lost six, then you don't know, well,

551
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 1: this is the thing. This is the thing about it.

552
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: I don't know how much he is on now at Paramatta,

553
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: but last year they didn't have a great year. Mitch

554
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: Moses was out for a lot of the year. He

555
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: come back and made a real impact, particularly in State

556
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: of Origin Australia arena. But Dylan, Dylan had a bit

557
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: of an off year last year. If he comes out

558
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: and does the same, has the same sort of performance,

559
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: it puts a lot of pressure on Dylan now too,

560
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: with all this speculation. If he comes out and doesn't

561
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: play well, Paramatta have every chance to go roto Well.

562
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk you through a little history lesson here.

563
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: In two thousand Bret Camawley naughty, very good friend of mine,

564
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: naughty yep, the camp was a revelation in Melbourne, Come

565
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: out of Nowhere ninety eight, terrific ninety nine, took him

566
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: to the Grand Final, won the Grand Final in Melbourne

567
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: Storm two thousand and they subsided a little bit, but

568
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: he had a fantastic year as well. Was playing good

569
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: enough to keep Joe out of the State of Origin

570
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: number seven Jersey right. But at the end of that

571
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 1: year he made the decision Noughty that he wanted to

572
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: move back to the Northern States and what transpired was

573
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: basically naughty globe trotting well, going from club to club,

574
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: city to city up around Sydney and Newcastle and everywhere

575
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: and it was reported on it every single day. Every

576
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: single day is reported and it really sad like. It

577
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: puts so much pressure on Naughty. And then Notty ended

578
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: up sign at the Northern Urgles and the pressure met.

579
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: The Northern Nogles had a you know, they were struggling

580
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: that season and everyone's looking Naughty. Well, mate, you're the savior,

581
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: You're the both you were supposed to say, you're supposed

582
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: to do this. Why aren't you doing it? And I

583
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: went away that year in two thousand and one. When

584
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: I left to go to England boys, Naughty was really

585
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: like everyone loved Naughty. You know, it's Blaker's punched above

586
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: his ways, little Blake doing good. When I come back,

587
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: he was like Rugby League public Enemy number one because

588
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: of what had transpired there. And this is and it

589
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: took him a couple of years to get that back.

590
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: So I suppose what I'm saying there with Dylan is

591
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: the fact that they signed the contract right, they did

592
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: that paramount right. But and the agent's the one passing

593
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: him around. And as I said earlier, NRL means not

594
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: real long. You get the best duos you can, but

595
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: it puts pressure on the player, and at the end

596
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: of the day, if they get off to a slow

597
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: start to the season, the fans aren't going to look

598
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: at the agents and go you to blame the look

599
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: at Dylan.

600
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's tough.

601
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: This is where I think you've just got to be.

602
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: It's very hard these days. You've got to find a

603
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: way to do all this stuff to screwtly.

604
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: And it might that pressure from fans or from media

605
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: might not bother Dylan at all. He might be a

606
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: water off for ducts back, which is fine, but more

607
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: often than not, you see the mental toll it takes

608
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: on the player when the fans are going after him

609
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: this and that and commenting on all the social media

610
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: and hammering them on social media, like that'll take quite

611
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: Dylan's only Dylan's twenty four. Yeah, Dyland's twenty four, twenty

612
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: five years old this year. Yeah, that's a lot of

613
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: pressure to put on still a five eight who's relatively

614
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: young in his career. And the one point two million

615
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: dollars that's monster money. Yeah, See monster money is monster

616
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 2: is a bloke that will always perform at at the

617
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: highest level, has amazing consistency week to week, but elevate

618
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: himself in really big games. Million dollars is monthster money.

619
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: But I do recognize supply and demand as far as halves.

620
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: This is where good halves, outstanding halves that still haven't

621
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: quite fulfilled their potential why they've got the whip hand.

622
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: And there's talk that there's talked that I don't know,

623
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: I haven't heard since, but the back end of last

624
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: week they're talking about Newcastle. Is the club something like

625
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: six men for six years?

626
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, something like that.

627
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: Even a more recent example Cobbos twenty twenty two, Kaylin

628
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: with the Dolphins. Remember remember the KP had another year,

629
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: but they were talking about what was happening in twenty

630
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: twenty four and the Dolphins went hard for him. I remember,

631
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: like even the playing group, we were certain that he

632
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: was going to leave all the meetings with Wayne in

633
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: Sydney and whatnot, and we didn't have the you know,

634
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: there wasn't blame going around or anything like that, but

635
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: there is a weird feeling when you know your star player,

636
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: you know players other marquee players come to a club

637
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 3: four when he's sort of on the teetering on the edge,

638
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: it becomes a really weird feeling.

639
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it can affect a playing group, no doubt

640
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: about it. It's interesting with Newcastle to be a great

641
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: signing for Newcastle, no doubt. But Peter O'Sullivan the scout

642
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 1: and Peter Parr, both of them as far as salary

643
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: cap boy, it's going to put strain on that because

644
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: if you look at Newcastle at the moment, you can't.

645
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: Newcastle sort of trying to find the right combination for success.

646
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: So in the halves, even the dummy halves, young Matt

647
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: Arthur's gone there. I don't know if he's in the

648
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: top thirty.

649
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's in top thirty, but I

650
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: think he's a rookie either or so, which it means

651
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: is full time.

652
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: So dummy halves they've got Matt Arthur, Finis Crossland, Jaden

653
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 1: Brayley and young Feller called Riley Jones. In the halves

654
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: they've got Cogger, Gamble, Jackson Hastings, Will Price who Will's

655
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: gone to and they're saying Fletcher sharp, they're looking at

656
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: him to play in the halves this year as playmaker.

657
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: Well they've named well the trials for this week. Will

658
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: Price is named at fullback. Fletcher Sharps at five A. Yeah,

659
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: so I think maybe they could have turned to Will

660
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: Price now to be that backup fullback option for Kaitlin,

661
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: which is a good run of the football. I think

662
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: he'd probably be as damaging in five eight as his fullback.

663
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's weird. It's a weird dynamic up there

664
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: because you've got a lot of you look at you

665
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: look at those particularly the five eight position. You look,

666
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 2: I mean the half five back position. You look at

667
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: those players. There's not a clear standout. So that's what

668
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: makes it hard for the coaches to actually settle down

669
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: and go right, oh, you know we've got you look

670
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: at Melbourne, We've got Jerome Hughes, We've got Cameron Munster,

671
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: you know, and Jonah Pezit and Tyrone Wishart. They're the

672
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: there are those two levels below that where they're probably

673
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: all on the same level. A lot of those hearts,

674
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: there's four or five halves that are all sit on

675
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: the same level. How do you how do you elevate

676
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: one or two of them?

677
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: How do you pick?

678
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: Because there's not a clear standout.

679
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 1: And this has been the problem with with with Newcastle.

680
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: They're constantly through last year chopping and changing. Jack Coga

681
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: went there after what he did for Penrith and we

682
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: go wow like, and he would have went there under it.

683
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: I think I think he would have went there thinking

684
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: himself that I'm going to be the number one half,

685
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: but was in and out constantly. There's a lot of

686
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: the instability there. It's interesting about Fletcher sharp like Jesus,

687
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: I really impressed with him last year, but he's playing

688
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: in the outside and interesting. That's a quick move to

689
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: move into being a playmaker. Yeah, the same. He's played

690
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: a fair bit of his junior football and the halves,

691
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: but to go from an outside back at the NRL

692
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: level and then go into the halves, that's a yeah,

693
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: that's a big transit.

694
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: Played grade last year, most of it was on the wing.

695
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: He played well when he was at fullback as well,

696
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: but he doesn't have that natural ballplayer stuff about him

697
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: when he was at fullback.

698
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I haven't. I haven't seen that. Maybe it's

699
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: there because I would have thought that naturally, what they

700
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: might have think thought of doing was will Price and

701
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: six and Fletcher at fullback. That's what if if I

702
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: was looking at it and they said, you know has yes,

703
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: how are they going to fit this into the spine.

704
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: That's the way I thought that might have went. I'm

705
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: impressed with Price. I've heard reports that, you know, there's

706
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: a few things and things are training and here's got

707
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: to work on his defense. But I thought when he

708
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: played there at Newcastle last year, is he just brought

709
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: a bit of a spark. Yeah.

710
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: I thought he's class here.

711
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is classy. He's going to bring your errors.

712
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: He's going to miss a tackle here and there. He's

713
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: a bit of a green horn like his little but

714
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: he just brings that little bit of charisma too, and

715
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: he's got that little bit of swagger. And I thought

716
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: the side lacked outside of Kaylen. Yeah.

717
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I coaches can fall in in a weird infatuation

718
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: with you know, you want to see consistency every day,

719
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: which is fair enough, which is what you want. You

720
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: want to know what you're going to get out of

721
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: player every single week on the Saturday night. But there

722
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: are some players who the risk is you know, the

723
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: risk and the reward it's worth taking it on.

724
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

725
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: Jack Howarth is a good example of that. At Melbourne.

726
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: They signed him on a big five year deal and

727
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: how he was He's the kind of player who's at training,

728
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 2: probably not as consistent as he will get to when

729
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: he's a bit older. He's still only got twenty twenty

730
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: one years old, but that was probably a downfall whether

731
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: he probably didn't get his opportunity as quick because they

732
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: were worried about that. They said he wasn't ready, said

733
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: he wasn't ready. When injury kind of forced him into

734
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: the side. He went in there and he just blitzed

735
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: him and he was there. He played in the Grand Final.

736
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: He's the kind of player we might take a dummy,

737
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: or we might make a bad decision every now and then,

738
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: but he's a he springs a spark and not every

739
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 2: player out in the field can do what he can

740
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: do well.

741
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: Munster. They tell me some of the training sessions with

742
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: Munster that honestly, you look at this place, at what's

743
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: he doing here that they say are going into the

744
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: debut state of origin. Probably the worst training session anyone

745
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: has put in at that level. And they it just

746
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: kept dropping balls and everyone's going, my god, was going

747
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: to go in, it goes out and gets me on

748
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: the match. There's a great little one. And I'm not

749
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: saying that it would be like this, but this is

750
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: I heard this story the other day when I was

751
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: listening to a podcast the Brazilian Ronaldo, who's my favorite

752
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 1: scurer player of all time?

753
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: Right, well Maradonna?

754
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: Ah, yes, Maradonna one are nine two? So what he did?

755
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: He went to from Brazil to PSV and iron Haven big.

756
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: It was a big it's a big Dutch club. When

757
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: he got there, before him was an incredible goal scorer

758
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: called Romia, another Brazilian, and when he arrived nine and

759
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: they went you and we know you guys, Roll made listen,

760
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: you just come to training when you want and just

761
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: basically do you want? And he went, what are you

762
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,959
Speaker 1: talking about? They went, oh, because when ro Mario was here,

763
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: he'd only trained once or twice a week and he

764
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: go our partying all the time. But he was the

765
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: great greatest goal scorer in our history. Isn't that how

766
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: you Brazilians work? And he's like, oh, no, no, no, I'm

767
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: a professional. I train. But it's just an example how

768
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: everyone is so different. And I mean, there's an example.

769
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: Is it interesting one?

770
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: I just said, no, no, no, it made sense. I agree.

771
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: I was telling me, you're talking to talking about training.

772
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: I'd heard recently, and I don't believe it or I

773
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: find it. I take it with a grain of salt.

774
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: I was saying there's rumblings coming out of the Broncos

775
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: about Madge's methods now are hard, he's training. The reason

776
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't buy into that is a Melbourne I'm sorry,

777
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: Brisbane are very split sort of. There's half the people

778
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: up there and a lot of the old boys that

779
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: are great happy to see Madge there, and there's a

780
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: lot of people that are and I think that anything

781
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: that comes out is going to get amplified. That makes sense.

782
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: He'll I think he'll be. It's exactly what they need.

783
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: They need hard work, there's a magic and sweat.

784
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think we're going to see. Look,

785
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: it could go one of two ways when you when

786
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: when that sort of method goes up. Either everyone buys

787
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: in and you see an immediate you see an immediate improvement,

788
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: or there is you know, a bit of resistance and

789
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: you don't see it. But I think, I think, I

790
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: think they'll go really good up I do to.

791
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: I think that I can assume I've predicted a top

792
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 1: four finish at least I think they can win. I

793
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: honestly believe they can win the competition. I think I

794
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: think he can make them jump that quick. But so

795
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: here's the other thing, like Pat Carrigan to me looks

796
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: like a great pro. He looks like the bloke sort

797
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: of bloke that to train and not wing And if

798
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: he's a soenior player, then surely there's not blakes below him,

799
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: you know that are getting there and winging and not

800
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: want to train. Sure surely Paddy Carrigan, he's the bloat

801
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: that sets the standard. I just can't imagine that quickly

802
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: given what the Broncos did last year, the players becoming

803
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: out winging about how hard they trained.

804
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: I even heard people saying how hard they've been training.

805
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: I actually I thought I would hear more winging to

806
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: be fair out of out of like more reports of

807
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: winging and stuff like that. I haven't read. I haven't

808
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: really read anything online or people saying anything.

809
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: But he is a question. When you're at Melbourne and

810
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: they're the ones that set the standard, that's where you

811
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: know the model the match takes about pre season and whatnot.

812
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 1: In your time, there was there ever a player who

813
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: winged about the training.

814
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: There was not to the coaches or anything like there

815
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: was boys, but there's boys like that. They're getting the

816
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: sheds and they go, you know, screw this, screw that,

817
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to do this. But there

818
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 2: it's there might be one or two when very quickly

819
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: that's the thing, very quickly that gets edged out, Like

820
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 2: there's people that might sort of winge here and there,

821
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: but because the majority and your leaders aren't winging, it's

822
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: very quickly. That mentality is very quickly. Yet people just

823
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: get on with it because everybody else is doing it.

824
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: It's a pack mentality, right, Like if everybody's winging, or

825
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: if your senior players winging, it filters down and ever

826
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 2: run a winge. But if you're the one who's winging,

827
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: you're the outcast everyone Immediately everyone turns into a sheep

828
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: and you just follow the pack.

829
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: But there's winging and there's winging. I mean, if you're

830
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: getting there and going, oh we've got wrestled tomorrow, Oh no,

831
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: it means that's fine torture. That's just natural, as opposed

832
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: to starting to try to gather blokes, collect you blokes

833
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: and say mate, this is ridiculous, let's scaut of someone. Yeah,

834
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: we're training too hard. It happens at a lot of clubs.

835
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd imagine that would happen at the clubs where

836
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: the players probably have more power. I like there was

837
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: reports coming out of South's and Parramatta the last couple

838
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: of years where that sort of thing would happen where

839
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: the players would they because they held more power than

840
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 2: the coaches at times, they were actually able to dictate,

841
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: dictate what they.

842
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: Wanted to do. That's problematic, isn't it. Yeah, because it's

843
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: a human condition with training that you know that training

844
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: is good for you, but it's just so uncomfortable and

845
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: so hard. Yeah, the human condition that when you go

846
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: right over were doing eight four hundreds, people go, oh, yeah,

847
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this, but I've just got

848
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: to suck it up.

849
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: Well, that your body's natural. Like if look, this is

850
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: an extreme example, right, if you got a knife and

851
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 2: you started cutting your hand, your brain instantly the pain

852
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: receptors instantly say stop doing this, stop doing this. It's

853
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: the same thing with hard track, Like it is the

854
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: same thing when you're going through a hard preseason session

855
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: sometimes it feels like torture and your brain and your

856
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: body is literally saying stop stop. What you're doing walk.

857
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: You need your breath, stop doing this, but you just

858
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 2: got to. And the way that you get tougher by

859
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 2: doing it is doing it every day and eventually those

860
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: thoughts don't go away, but you just learned to numb

861
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: the thoughts.

862
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 1: Had Ninkas Crichton last week here and it was interesting

863
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: him talking about the roosters. He sort of said, like

864
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 1: you said, there's a great vibe at the roosters, given

865
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: the fact that the pressure is off a little bit

866
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: to an extent, Like you know, most years will get

867
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: the roosters and they're always, if not the competition favorites

868
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: close to with this year, they're down the packing pecking order.

869
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: People aren't expecting a big season, which plays into their

870
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: hands a little bit.

871
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well it's a bit. It's a bit of.

872
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: Feeling as a player going in that where people are

873
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: underestimating what you can do.

874
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: I imagine it'd be a weight off the shoulders for him.

875
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 2: I'm keen to see, like particularly boths like Gussie and

876
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: those kind of middle middle leaders that they've had in

877
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: the years gone by, how they're going to elevate go

878
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: to another level without their proper leaders like Kiri Jared

879
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: blokes that have retired, what's the next level for them

880
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: to go to? Yeah, now that they're the big dogs

881
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: in the club.

882
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: He gave Chad Towns that are big rap didn't he? Yeah,

883
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: said he's been great. He said he's been great.

884
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: The boys up at Cowboys used to say the same

885
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: thing about Chaddie Town's great hair, I mean great, excellent hair.

886
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: And he gets good that first year when he goes

887
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: from one club to another, usually fires has good Susan

888
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: ye last one before Jackson got a few questions from

889
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: some of the listeners. Adam Faniua Blake, you were speaking

890
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: to Nico, Nico said he has been phenomenal.

891
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: All reports from Nicholas has said he's been amazing. He

892
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: said something that you're rarely seeing a front rower. He

893
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: was like, mate, I've never seen a lot of the

894
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: just his ability to talk and organize shape. Usually it's

895
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: the halves and the spine who controls and talks things.

896
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 2: Where if you have a front rower or a lock

897
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: A lot of clubs have you know, Penrith has aao

898
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: where he organizes the shapes, allows the half to organize

899
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: everything else outside of him, and Nico said it's been

900
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: such a weight off having someone like Adam there. He

901
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: organizes a heap of stuff and he's so smart with

902
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: knowing when the half needs the ball, if somebody and

903
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: if a shape is coming and a half ur center

904
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: starts jamming out the back. Sometimes it's hard for a

905
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: front roller to see that, and they throw it anyway

906
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: and give you a hospital pass, whereas he picks the

907
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: right option every time. Apparently a training he said he's

908
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: blown Nickel away.

909
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: Actually that's a great sign for the Sharks. It's awesome.

910
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: That's just that one thing that sharks need, just that

911
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: an extra dimension in attack and an extra hard edge.

912
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: He brings both of those.

913
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so it's I mean, we knew how good

914
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: he was at the Warrior is like how he's been

915
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: consistent for them the last few years.

916
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: He's been awesome.

917
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: So it's exciting for Sharky's fans and just a.

918
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: Quick one for the Dragons fans. You're great things about Gotha.

919
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: It was always going to be that. It was. It

920
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: was the change that Gotho needed. And they say he's

921
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: training great. They did a session the other day, closed

922
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: session against scrimmage against mainly they said, like the way

923
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: he was talking the defense into shape. The players weren't

924
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: used to that. It was just brings another dimension of experience.

925
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: The boys said though the scrimmage, they were very good

926
00:42:59,040 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: the Dragons.

927
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: I get a quick comment from you both too. We've

928
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: had a listener Brett after the Lorry and the Brad

929
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: Parker episodes commenting he's been really displeased with the hate

930
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: towards the Dragons from you both. So I like you

931
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: both just give an apology to a listener Brett, if

932
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: that's possible.

933
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: We'll never apologize for our comments, will never apologize.

934
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: We're hard men.

935
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, not literally, Yeah, but you know.

936
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: Our opinion is our opinion correct. Yes, but we have

937
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: done it frivolously. We're going to do our season preview

938
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: in a week or two, a big season preview. But

939
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: I look at it like I think they'll I think

940
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: they'll have a good season. Yeah, they'll be in the

941
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: mid table. They might just sneak that seventh, seventh or

942
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: eight spot, just on the very fact that maybe he

943
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: gets their defense going. But if Valentine goes there and

944
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: you can have a terrific season, Cookie can get forward

945
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: for Cookie, get him out of dummy half. And of

946
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: course they've got.

947
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: More weapons and attack definitely. So yeah, look, Brett, I

948
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: hope we eat our words. I actually I hope the

949
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: Dragons prove us wrong because that's what we do all

950
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 2: we do when we setting challenges out there for them

951
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: to And I.

952
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: Know the Ben Hunt is big lost, but I said,

953
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: for two years when Ben Hunt wanted to go, just

954
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: let him go because the formula wasn't working. Now they've

955
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: changed the formula. Who knows?

956
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, any other have you got any our listener?

957
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: I think I think I'll be happy with that.

958
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got feedback. We put it out to the

959
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 3: listeners last week, some of your bold predictions for the

960
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five season. We'll have more in the weeks coming,

961
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: but here are quick three for you. Okay, So the

962
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: first one is Warriors win the comp metcalf to, Dally

963
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 3: wins the Dally m Maddie to accept the Newcastle job.

964
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 2: Cooper Johns one at a time.

965
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one. This is just one. This is

966
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 3: one massive prediction by listener Tom Right. And then Cooper

967
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: John's to take the helm Thursday and Sunday nights this year.

968
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: Ok So, Warriors when Metcalfe dally M. I take the

969
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: Newcastle job, which means my shows are vacant, and you

970
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: take that, I reckon that would oh tear what I'd

971
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: give that? About ten thousand and one?

972
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: Would you?

973
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: Okay, the question for you if you took a coaching job,

974
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: and you know, and let's say you just said, I'll

975
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: do it for a year or two, see if I

976
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: like it, and would you allow me to you know,

977
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: sit on your which to call it the Mattie John Show.

978
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: Still would leave it like that, But would you want

979
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: me to just sit in and help take over your

980
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: seat for a bit.

981
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think how I would answer that. Okay, honestly,

982
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: it would have been if you if you if you

983
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: were married and you had three kids and you're going overseas,

984
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: would you let Munster babysit your kids for three weeks?

985
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: This is the thing, though I wouldn't let Well, how

986
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 2: do I compare to monster in that sense?

987
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: Now? It means that you're the thing that you love.

988
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: Would you let a person? Would you trust a person? Yeah?

989
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: With that, well, you'd have to if you had to

990
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: let someone. But this is the thing.

991
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: You have to let someone babysit that seat. But what

992
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: did well you get? Someone who's got a babysit kids

993
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be monster. It might be Frank Penisy exactly.

994
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: But why aren't I Frank Penis in this sense? Why

995
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: am I monster?

996
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: Because I'm thinking that if I go there and come

997
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: back ay or two later, I'll go what has become

998
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: of this? It'll be totally different. Chap watch it and

999
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: I just know what you like. You would not relinquish

1000
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: the power. No, probably you're coming up behind me. I can.

1001
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: I can feel your breathing down my neck. Yeah, start with.

1002
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: I don't see what I don't agree with. Worry is

1003
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: to win them metcalf daally am I die? I think

1004
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: that they've had too much. They've had too many big

1005
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: losses Sean Johnson and Fanilla Blake. For me, I think

1006
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: they they've probably been two of their best players the

1007
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: last two years, and I think losing them is going

1008
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: to be.

1009
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: A big id. Love to assue him be in the

1010
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: top four. I'd love it, but it's going to be hard,

1011
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: and you know, losing Sean.

1012
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently Andrew Webster is doing amazing stuff with

1013
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: them this year. Apparently they've gone to the next level, but.

1014
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: Dumn broke his wrist in the troll game too, so

1015
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: ill miss Vegas.

1016
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. Next one is from Nick Wangman. Storm Duer Penrith

1017
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: lose the GF last year and bounced back to win

1018
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 3: the comps, similar to what they did in twenty twenty

1019
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 3: to twenty twenty one.

1020
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: I love it, I said, I think at the back

1021
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: end of last year when we did a potty, I

1022
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: think Storms the team to beat. I think Penrith have

1023
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: losing Lui. They've lost troops before, but never somebody in

1024
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: the spine who's as integral as a Nathan or Jerome.

1025
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: I think that Storm haven't lost a cell and they've

1026
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: gained Stefano, who apparently is training the house down down

1027
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: there is Yeah. The boys said he just gets amongst

1028
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: his work, doesn't wings, doesn't complain, which you probably see

1029
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: initially from it's coming from different clubs. They come in

1030
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 2: and they're a bit resistant for a bit, they're trying

1031
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: to find their feet. Apparently he hit the ground running

1032
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: and he's been outstanding. So I think they didn't have

1033
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 2: Nelson in the Grand Final last year. That one two

1034
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: punch of Nelson Stefano is just going to be really

1035
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 2: hard to beat.

1036
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: Just convinced me there, Yeah, I know.

1037
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing for them is if their

1038
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 2: spine stays together for the whole year.

1039
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: You know, Paps and Munster.

1040
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: Has had struggles with injuries. Yeah, last year sort of

1041
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: on and off. But I think if they can keep

1042
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: those that spine playing eighty seventy of the year, I

1043
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: think we're going to see a storm side that it

1044
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: was going to win the camp.

1045
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's going to be a fair divide

1046
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: between the very best and the rest. There'll be a

1047
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: big divide. See, there's certain we'll leave at the season preview. Yeah, yeah,

1048
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: leave one more.

1049
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: The last one was Watson. Hayes believes that the Bulldogs

1050
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: make the top four and the Roosters missed the eight.

1051
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: Oh that's all. That's old. I like it. Yeah, it's

1052
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: not out the realms possibility, particularly with Dogs look funny

1053
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: with the Dogs. I think the Dogs can make that

1054
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: next step, but it is tricky. Let's go back to

1055
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: a few years ago when the Cowboys made the final

1056
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: four really good because they're into the season with low

1057
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: expectations on themselves. Then the next year, their natural thought was, right,

1058
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: we're just going to go the next level. You know,

1059
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: it's just going to happen. And you know the RSN

1060
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: fell out of their season, so you've just got to

1061
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: keep You've got to keep returning to the hard work

1062
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: all the time and it's got to stay and have

1063
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: that attitude. But one thing about the Bulldogs mate, it's

1064
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: it's a great club, but it's got it's got big expectations.

1065
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: So it's going to be pressure on them to start

1066
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: the season well. But yeah, I think they'll have another

1067
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: very very very good season. They've got an established style

1068
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: now which is a little different to everybody else. I

1069
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: like what they do.

1070
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that feedback as well.

1071
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: That's it, that's it.

1072
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 3: Just we're going to leave them for the season, preving

1073
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 3: coming up the next great teas.

1074
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: Great teas, so we do a hook and tees hook

1075
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: and teas like fish.

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Speaker 1: Sure, all right, thanks matte Tea