1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Kristinamiot. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, June tenth, twenty twenty five. Newly minted Opposition 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: Energy and Admissions Production spokesman Dantien says he'll take his 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: time on the fate of the coalition's contentious net zero target. 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: He says there'll be a conversation. 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: About nuclear two, but any future models won't replicate the 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: one proposed by Ouster Liberal leader Peter Dutton. Criminal cases 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: involving Aboriginal people could be heard in closed court or 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: by female judicial officers. Those are the new guidelines given 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: to judges in a revised New South Wales bench book. 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: That exclusive story is live right now at the Australian 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: dot com dot au. Chris Dawson has launched a last 13 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: ditch bid to have his conviction for the nineteen eighty 14 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: two murder of his wife quashed. The High Court of 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: Australia will this week consider an application made by the 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: former rugby league star for special leave to appeal of 17 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: finding that upheld the conviction. 18 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: That's today's episode, Christopher Michael Dawson on the charge that 19 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: don are about eight January nineteen eighty two, at Dayview 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: or elsewhere in the state of New South Wales. 21 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 4: You did murder Lynette Dawson. I find you guilty. All 22 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 4: the message down. 23 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: This was a moment more than forty years in the making. 24 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: On a bright winter's day in twenty twenty two, New 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: South Wales Supreme Court Justice Ian Harrison found Chris Dawson 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: guilty of the murder of his first wife, Lynette Simms, 27 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: who vanished from their home at Bayview in the early 28 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. She was thirty three years old, a doting 29 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: mum to two little girls, and a dedicated employee at 30 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: a childcare center on Sydney's Northern Beaches. Her fate was 31 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: unknown for decades until the Australians podcast The Teacher's Pet, 32 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: created by National Chief correspondent Hedley Thomas, exposed Lynnette's husband, 33 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: Chris Dawson, as a murderer. He's always maintained he played 34 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: no role in Lynette's disappearance, and claims she left the family, 35 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: her daughters, her husband and the home she loved of 36 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: her own accord. The story captured national and international attention, 37 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: and in late twenty eighteen, within months of the podcast release, 38 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: police arrested and charged Chris Dawson with Lynette's murder. 39 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 5: The key thing to come out of this divena is 40 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 5: that the police are now confident of a prosecution. Remember, 41 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 5: a coroner twice has recommended charges in this case and 42 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 5: the DPP in the eighties said no. But now they 43 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 5: believe they have enough evidence. 44 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: More than three years after his arrest, Justice Ian Harrison 45 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: would find Chris Dawson murdered Lynette to replace her with 46 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: a teenage babysitter who'd become his second wife. Dawson was 47 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: sentenced by Justice Harrison to twenty four years in prison 48 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: with a non parole period of eighteen years. 49 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 6: I recognize that the unavoidable prospect is that mister Dawson 50 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 6: will probably die in jail. 51 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 4: Mister Dawson, would you please stand. 52 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: The new South Wales government introduced nobody no parole legislation 53 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: known as Lynn's Law in the months following Chris Dawson's conviction, 54 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: that means he won't be eligible for parole unless he 55 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: reveals the location of Lynette's remains to the authorities. In 56 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, Chris Dawson launched a bid to quash 57 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: his murder conviction in the New South Wales Court of 58 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: Criminal Appeals, arguing he suffered a forensic disadvantage in improving 59 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: his innocence due to the long delay in bringing the 60 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: case to trial. He also argued there'd been a miscarriage 61 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: of justice due to Justice Harrison's reliance upon lies allegedly 62 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: told by Chris Dawson following Lynd's murder as evidence of 63 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: a consciousness of guilt, and that the verdict was unreasonable 64 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: because the Crown's case was wholly circumstantial and a hypothesis 65 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: consistent with Dawson's innocence wasn't excluded beyond a reasonable doubt. 66 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: Chris Dawson's barrister in the appeal, Belinda Rigg SC, told 67 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: the court transactions were made on Lynette's bank card in 68 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: the weeks following her disappearance, and that she'd called the 69 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: kiosk at the Northbridge Baths, where he worked part time 70 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: as a lifeguard, to let him know she needed some 71 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: time to herself, but the proof had been lost to time. 72 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: The three judge panel of Justices Julie Ward, Christine Adamson 73 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: and Anthony Payne unanimously dismissed the appeal, writing that Justice 74 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: Harrison's reasoning was sound, that the Crown's circumstantial case was compelling, 75 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: and that Chris Dawson failed to establish that the forty 76 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: year delay in bringing charges had caused him a forensic disadvantage. 77 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: A voice actor is reading part of the Justice's reasons. 78 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 7: First, given the applicants different versions of events, it was 79 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 7: unclear whether the unavailability of certain bank card statements was relevant, 80 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 7: and in any case, it was his own failure to 81 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 7: retain those statements, not any delay that caused them to 82 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 7: be unavailable. Secondly, the lack of records showing the applicant 83 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 7: was working at the north Bridge Barths on nine January 84 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 7: nineteen eighty two caused no disadvantage, since the Crown conceded 85 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 7: the applicant was working there on that day. Thirdly, records 86 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 7: of phone calls made to the north Bridge Baths on 87 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 7: nine February nineteen eighty two were unavailable because of limited 88 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 7: technology at the time, not because of delay, and records 89 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 7: of phone calls to the applicants house would not have 90 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 7: assisted the applace. 91 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: Now, Chris Dawson is taking the fight to the nation's 92 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: highest court in a last ditch effort. To have his 93 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: murder conviction quashed. For two weeks every month, the High 94 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: Court of Australia sits in Canberra to consider a whole 95 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: range of civil and criminal matters. Chris Dawson has applied 96 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 1: for special leave to appeal his murder conviction. That means 97 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: he's asking the High Court to grant him an appeal hearing. 98 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: If that application is granted on Thursday, he'll ask the 99 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: court to quash the twenty twenty two murder conviction made 100 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: by Justice Harrison and grant him a new trial. 101 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 6: Well, I think this is Chris Dawson's final role of 102 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 6: the dice in so far as his attempt to beat 103 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 6: the murder conviction of twenty twenty two Guys. 104 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: Headley Thomas is the Australian's National Chief correspondent and the 105 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: creator of the Teacher's Pet podcast. 106 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 6: Now he's seeking leave from the High Court to run 107 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 6: similar arguments that his conviction should be quashed, and much 108 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 6: of his argument turns on his claim that he had 109 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 6: a significant forensic disadvantage because of the age of the 110 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 6: case and the failure in his view of the police 111 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 6: at certain stages. 112 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: A voice actor is reading part of the grounds of 113 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: the former school teacher's High Court application. 114 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 8: The Court of Criminal Appeal irred by failing to find 115 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 8: that the applicants trial miscarried because the trial judge failed 116 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 8: to find that the applicants suffered a significant forensic disadvantage. 117 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 4: The Court of Criminal Appeal. 118 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 8: Irred by failing to take the applicants significant forensic disadvantage 119 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 8: into account when considering whether the verdict was unreasonable and 120 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 8: unable to be supported by the evidence. 121 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: Chris Dawson says significant witnesses, namely Sue Butlin, who purportedly 122 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: saw Lyn Dawson getting into a car at a fruit 123 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: shop on the New South Wales Central Coast, had died 124 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: by the time the case was tried by Justice Harrison 125 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: alone in twenty twenty two, and that important documents from 126 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: the abandoned initial homicide investigation had been lost. 127 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 4: We have in. 128 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 6: Sue Butlin, the wife of a guy called Ray Butlin. 129 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 6: Ray Butlin was a rugby league coach on the Central 130 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 6: Coast and he got to know and coach the Dawson twins, 131 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 6: Christ and Paul after they'd finished their professional careers with 132 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 6: the Newtown Jets. The version that we have from either 133 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 6: Chris Dawson or Ray Butlin, is that Sue Butlin saw 134 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 6: a woman she believed was Lynn Simms in a vehicle 135 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 6: at a fruit barn on the Central Coast shortly after 136 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 6: the Crown says Chris Dawson murdered Lynn in the home 137 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 6: at Bayview on the Northern Beaches. Now, we don't have 138 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 6: any direct evidence from Sue Butlin about that. What we 139 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 6: do know because Ray Butlin disclosed this in the inquest 140 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 6: where he was questioned about his wife's purported sighting of Lynn, 141 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 6: and Ray Butlin said of his own wife, who had 142 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 6: been dead for some years, that she did have a 143 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 6: tendency to exaggerate things and she might. 144 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 4: Have embellished the story. 145 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 6: However, he felt sure that if she were on the stand, 146 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 6: she would say, yeah, I saw Lynn. Now, the problem 147 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:50,119 Speaker 6: here is that the police investigation in the early nineties 148 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 6: stopped as a result of Chris Dawson telling homicide detectives 149 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 6: that his mate's wife saw Lynn. But there's no no 150 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 6: evidence of any attempt by those homicide detectives to try 151 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 6: to corroborate Chris's claims that his mate's wife saw Lynn. 152 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 6: So the police didn't go directly to Sue Butler, who 153 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 6: was still alive in nineteen ninety two, to take any 154 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 6: kind of statement from her. 155 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 4: So there's nothing in writing. 156 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 6: There's just this hearsay account, and this is being held 157 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 6: up as one of the pieces of evidence that was 158 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 6: crucial to Chris Dawson's defense and should have been obtained. 159 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 6: And I think that many people who have followed this 160 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 6: case close he would think that, yes, the police should 161 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 6: have got a statement, but that the police failures in 162 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 6: this case early on cut both ways. 163 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 4: It is strongly arguable. 164 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 6: In my view that if police had done a much 165 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 6: better job in the early stages after Lynn's disappearedearrance, then 166 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 6: Chris Dawson would have been prosecuted and convicted of murder 167 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 6: very early on. So it doesn't necessarily follow that he 168 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 6: has been denied justice. It may be that he's actually 169 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 6: experienced freedom because of the police failures and the delays 170 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 6: in doing things. 171 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: The application argues there's no onus on Chris Dawson to 172 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: establish the delay certainly caused him a significant forensic disadvantage, 173 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: only that there's a real possibility that it did. 174 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 8: It is unnecessary that each individual lost witness or document 175 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 8: singly would have demonstrated innocence, but rather that collectively for 176 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 8: lost evidence would have likely strengthened the applicant's position at trial. 177 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: John Paul Cashen is a partner at law firm Thompson Gear, 178 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: which advises the Australian. 179 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 9: It's an interesting one because in Australia we don't have 180 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 9: a statute of limitations. Here someone's committed murder or any 181 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 9: serious efets, really we can bring a charge against them ten, twenty, thirty, 182 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 9: forty fifty years after the fact, and I think courts 183 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 9: are reluctant to say that the mere fact that there's 184 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 9: a delay means that someone can't be brought to justice. 185 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 9: And what happened was in the late nineteen eighties there 186 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 9: was a case called Longman where the charges has been 187 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 9: brought about twenty years after the alleged defending and in 188 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 9: that case the court warned the jury that there was 189 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 9: a real risk that the evidence was unreliable and that 190 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 9: led to an acquittal. And there was a feeling after 191 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 9: that case that it shifted the boundary too much in 192 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 9: the favor of acquittals, and so they changed the law 193 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 9: to bring it back a little more in favor of 194 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 9: the policy of well, just because there's a delay doesn't 195 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 9: mean you can't face trial. And that's what this appeal 196 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 9: is really all about. In this case, there's no doubt 197 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 9: that Dawson has suffered some prejudice because of certain evidence 198 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 9: going missing, and so he said, well, he was never 199 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 9: able to truly test that, and the Court of Appeal 200 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 9: ultimately has to draw a line and say, well, did 201 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 9: you suffer a significant forensic disadvantage because of these things? 202 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 9: And the Court of Appeal said no, it was just 203 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 9: speculative that these things would have helped him. There wasn't 204 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 9: an actual prejudice, and he's upset about that. He says, now, no, 205 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 9: that puts the test too high, that shifts the burden 206 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 9: too far in favor of conviction, and that's really the 207 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 9: essence of this appeal before the High Court. Now where 208 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 9: do we draw that line? 209 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: Chris Dawson also says the Court of Criminal Appeal got 210 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: it wrong when it upheld Justice Harrison's reliance on lies 211 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: allegedly told by him as evidence of consciousness of guilt 212 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: because he had other reasons to lie. 213 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 9: One of the key parts of the first appeal was 214 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 9: that Justice Harrison had incorrectly looked at the lies told 215 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 9: by Chris Dawson. So one of the key ways a 216 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 9: person gets convicted is when they led to police, and 217 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 9: those lies are evidence of what we call consciousness of guilt. 218 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 9: And sometimes a lie will be strong consciousness of guilt, 219 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 9: but sometimes people lie for other reasons. And indeed, in 220 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 9: Dawson's case, there was a suggestion that he might have 221 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 9: been lying about certain things, not because he'd killed Lynette, 222 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 9: but because he was embarrassed or trying to hide the 223 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 9: fact that he was having a relationship with his former student. 224 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 9: And the Court of Appeal found that Justice Harrison didn't 225 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 9: deal with those lies and that consciousness of guilt appropriately, 226 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 9: So they did find that he'd made an error in 227 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 9: relation to those questions, but they have a broad discretion 228 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 9: to say, well, even if the trial judge made an error, 229 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 9: we're not going to overturn his decision unless we find 230 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 9: that a substantial miscarriage of justice occurred, and in this 231 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 9: particular case, they found that there wasn't a substantial miscarriage 232 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 9: of justice. So that will also form part of the 233 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 9: High Court judgment. And it sort of rolls into that 234 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 9: same question about well, what is the total cumulative amount 235 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 9: of prejudice suffered by the accused in this case? Is 236 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 9: it enough to overturn his conviction? 237 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: Coming up? 238 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: Why this isn't Chris Dawson's first High Court rodeo. This 239 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: isn't the first time Chris Dawson has made an application 240 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: to the High Court after his arrest. Applications for a 241 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: permanent stay of proceedings were dismissed by Justice Elizabeth Fulton 242 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court of New South Wales and later 243 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: by the Court of Criminal Appeal. Here's Headley Thomas. 244 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 6: Well before the murder trial in twenty twenty two, Chris 245 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 6: Dawson was determined to try to avoid trial altogether, and 246 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 6: he wanted to persuade the courts that he could not 247 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 6: get a fair trial as a result of failures of 248 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 6: police to find evidence that he says, would have been 249 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 6: in his favor that would have shown in his claims 250 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 6: that his wife Lynn had not been murdered, that in fact, 251 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 6: she had probably started a new life. And secondly, he 252 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 6: claimed that he couldn't get a fair trial because too 253 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 6: many people had listened to or heard about the Teacher's 254 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 6: pet and had a fixed view of his guilt. Now 255 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 6: he failed in those attempts to get a permanent stay 256 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 6: of proceedings and his final bid was to the High 257 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 6: Court and that was denied shortly before the murder trial 258 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two. When Chris Dawson was trying to 259 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 6: avoid trial altogether, he relied on a leading criminal defense lawyer, 260 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 6: Phillip Bolton, and then for the criminal trial, Philip Bolton 261 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 6: was not in that. In fact, that was run for 262 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 6: christ Dawson by a defense lawyer called Pauline David, and she. 263 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 4: Had known Dawson many years earlier. 264 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 6: In fact, when Chris Dawson was interviewed by homicide detectives 265 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety two on the Gold Coast and much younger, 266 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 6: Pauline David was Chris Dawson's solicitor during that interview. Then 267 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 6: we go forward thirty years. Philip Bolton didn't get involved 268 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 6: in the murder trial to our knowledge. However, Pauline David 269 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 6: at the end of the trial was appointed to the 270 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 6: District Court of New South Wales as a judge. So 271 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 6: Philip Bolton has returned and he's running this appeal to 272 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 6: the High Court, and in documents that have been filed 273 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 6: he has highlighted what he says were numerous errors by 274 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 6: the New South Wales Court of Criminal Appeal in its findings, 275 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 6: which said that Chris Dawson should not succeed with his 276 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 6: bid for freedom. 277 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: Headley Thomas is The Australian's national Chief correspondent. You can 278 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: listen to the Teacher's pet and access the nation's best 279 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: journalism anytime at the Australian dot com dot au