Speaker 1: Get a team, Craig Anthey, Harper, what's your middle name again?
Speaker 1: Jeffrow John? Oh that's it, Jeffrey John Jowd. I should
Speaker 1: have remembered that.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 1: That's negligent and reticent of me. How a big fella.
Speaker 2: Made any better? I'd be twins harps and even better
Speaker 2: for seeing your head in that wonderful upgraded studio by
Speaker 2: the looks of it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is razzle dazzle. This is a you
Speaker 1: are looking at an electronic background. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the kids call it, a fucking virtual I don't know something.
Speaker 2: It's very impressive and I wouldn't have known.
Speaker 1: No, it's where I'm actually in my office. But the
Speaker 1: photo is of a real studio. So that's the Nova
Speaker 1: studio that they graciously let me use because we're on
Speaker 1: the Nova platform. Did I say Nova?
Speaker 2: Yeah you did Nova Nova Nov Nov.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the actual grown up, proper studio that
Speaker 1: I use when I can be fucked to drive into
Speaker 1: South Melbourne. But being the lazy bastard that I am,
Speaker 1: and seeing is that we're only audio. I sit here
Speaker 1: at my desk in Hampton with a road mic stuffed
Speaker 1: in my face and let's be honest. The audio quality
Speaker 1: is pretty much the same. So I saved myself the
Speaker 1: drive and bibity bobbedy boo. That's twenty twenty four technology.
Speaker 2: Jeff Frowitz, Here we are Hollywood. Have you play Hollywood?
Speaker 3: Harper?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Have you open? Speaking of technology, have you opened
Speaker 1: the door on chat, GPT and AI in general? Or
Speaker 1: are you still butcher paper and crayons?
Speaker 2: Mate? I haven't. Most people are clients people. Yes, I
Speaker 2: don't really have a huge need for it at the minute.
Speaker 3: Like if I get a bit of.
Speaker 2: Copywriting work, I generally just bang it out, but I
Speaker 2: don't do huge amounts of it, more this high level stuff.
Speaker 3: So but I've heard rave reviews.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. It's probably not the chat we're going
Speaker 1: to have today, but it is interesting, And it's for
Speaker 1: for a friend of mine does a bit of copywriting
Speaker 1: and you know, web stuff and just you know, and
Speaker 1: they are more than a little worried because it's there's
Speaker 1: going to be quite a you know, but there's going
Speaker 1: to be jobs that become redundant. But with the evolution
Speaker 1: of things, there are new jobs, Like who the fuck
Speaker 1: knew that that podcasting could be a job or part
Speaker 1: of a job. Who knew that? Fifteen years ago nobody
Speaker 1: knew what one was? And here we are, fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: plus episodes in working with one of the biggest entertainment
Speaker 1: networks in Australia. Every show is sponsored, thankfully, and it's
Speaker 1: a job. I mean, who the fuck knew? Who knew?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Not me?
Speaker 1: What's I mean? But I guess the thing that doesn't
Speaker 1: really change too much is humans and human behavior. And
Speaker 1: you know, the peace and troughs of the human experience
Speaker 1: that you were the.
Speaker 2: Human, the human, the head, the human condition and all
Speaker 2: that lies within rest are short irrespective of chap GP
Speaker 2: T or x y Z at ABC, the human, the
Speaker 2: head and everything in the middle of the condition and
Speaker 2: make the infamous head noise at ninety nine point quadruple
Speaker 2: nine if not one hundred percent of humans in dua,
Speaker 2: I reckon you know what if I if we were
Speaker 2: to flip the schooling system on its head, we should
Speaker 2: do it. There should be a semester on head noise, right,
Speaker 2: No one at our high school. We never knew that
Speaker 2: everyone was in their head and.
Speaker 3: What have you?
Speaker 2: And you know, like self doubt, no self esteem, blah,
Speaker 2: blah blah, what if scenarios, living in the future, living
Speaker 2: in the past.
Speaker 3: We never covered that off at bloody school.
Speaker 2: That would have been handy because it's non do later
Speaker 2: in life that we realize every man as well. Hopefully
Speaker 2: people know that every man and his dog battles it.
Speaker 2: And it's Middle Earth, as I call it. You're down
Speaker 2: there with Fredo and Gandolf and whatnot in all the hobbit.
Speaker 2: It's not real, but it's sure as hellf feels like
Speaker 2: it is. And we spend most of our life there
Speaker 2: solving problems. And you can't outthink thinking, but god we try.
Speaker 2: So you know what a great little semester that would
Speaker 2: have been in the early days of high school, if
Speaker 2: you will, so that when instead of sticking the head
Speaker 2: in the microwave with a few metal forks, you might
Speaker 2: have a few strategies to combat it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I've missed you.
Speaker 3: I've just dropping the micro.
Speaker 2: Right there, ladies and gentlemen, Happy and bloody Thursday. I've
Speaker 2: missed you too long, absolutely, you know, and I know
Speaker 2: no one can see your fred astare, but as far
Speaker 2: as hair goes, it's on point.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a gift that keeps on giving the silver Fox,
Speaker 2: and he's changed the glasses in the meantime as well.
Speaker 3: This bloke, he's red hot. I'll tell you what can't multitask.
Speaker 3: This guy's quadruple tasking.
Speaker 1: I'm not going bored anytime soon. My old man's eight
Speaker 1: eighty five in a minute, and he's he's got a
Speaker 1: head like a fucking twenty four year old. His hair
Speaker 1: is like he gets his hair cut every three weeks.
Speaker 1: It still grows like fucking bamboo at eighty five.
Speaker 3: But I remember those days when I was eighteen, you know.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, no, I definitely maybe quite a bit of
Speaker 2: competitive bodybuilding was not optimal for the hair growth as
Speaker 2: well over time.
Speaker 1: But well, there is there is a relationship between yeah,
Speaker 1: are you Are you referring to some of the special
Speaker 1: supplements that you took.
Speaker 2: Some of those performance enhancing supplements I may or may
Speaker 2: not have taken back into your house in days mate,
Speaker 2: when I was like a stogging full of walnuts. I'm
Speaker 2: going to get all my clothes tailored and what have you,
Speaker 2: and still thought I was skinny body dysmorphia dot com
Speaker 2: if you will. But you know, dovetailing back to the
Speaker 2: aforementioned head noise Harps Craig Anthony Harper. So you know,
Speaker 2: but the head noise thing in the human condition here
Speaker 2: is pect you of AI or anything else that comes along.
Speaker 2: You know, like if you're in your head, you're dead.
Speaker 2: Most people live there for an eternity, but they don't
Speaker 2: realize it because when you're in there, you kind of
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, and forever live a life of
Speaker 2: busy getting there, getting there, ask and where they don't
Speaker 2: know where boom. That's just the head on steroids doing
Speaker 2: its best. And until you know, we learned to combat that.
Speaker 2: I think that'll be the forever job for humans, like
Speaker 2: just getting using them I not being used by it
Speaker 2: and trying to observe it, be the witness, as they say,
Speaker 2: versus being controlled consumed by it. Out thinking, redundant at best.
Speaker 2: And you know those strategies, business, life, sports, health, mental health, happiness,
Speaker 2: all of it, you know, impossible without getting control of.
Speaker 1: That one hundred percent. Hey, I put up a post
Speaker 1: yesterday on i G as the kids call it. I'll
Speaker 1: read it to you because I want your thoughts on it.
Speaker 1: So the title is, are you giving yourself anxiety about
Speaker 1: shit that won't happen. You know, I'm very literaryly evolved, right.
Speaker 1: A recent study from pen A recent study from Pence
Speaker 1: University discovered that ninety one percent of hypothetical future problems
Speaker 1: that people worry about never materialize, and of the remaining
Speaker 1: nine percent of concerns that did come true, the outcome
Speaker 1: was often better than expected, and for about one in
Speaker 1: four participants, exactly zero of their worries materialized. How much
Speaker 1: time do we spend obsessing about shit that's never going
Speaker 1: to happen? Mate?
Speaker 2: Well, I could have got a PhD in in the
Speaker 2: twenties and thirties, rest got a few of them. I'm surprised,
Speaker 2: I bloody will should have or was that dem good
Speaker 2: at it? And it's just absolute truth, mate, And we
Speaker 2: waste so much time, energy, headspace, bandwidth, emotion, miss out
Speaker 2: on where we are and all the good stuff and
Speaker 2: any potential creativity or innovations absolutely got us on at
Speaker 2: that point because you're in your head, you're worried what
Speaker 2: if scenarios? You know, when we create, generally crave certainty
Speaker 2: and hate change, But unfortunately change is the only constant,
Speaker 2: and we've got to learn to embrace uncertainty because there
Speaker 2: in lies the opportunity industry's life. You know, whatever, it
Speaker 2: may be much easier said than done, very simple in theory,
Speaker 2: very hard in execution. And you know, I think about
Speaker 2: cliches sometimes because like they're cliches for a reason, and
Speaker 2: when you're young, you're like, yeah, whatever, But you think
Speaker 2: of cliches now and patience is a virtue or however
Speaker 2: many that there are, and there's so much truth in
Speaker 2: each and every one of them while they became cliches,
Speaker 2: but not easy to live by as rules. But like
Speaker 2: we get good at what we do, and you know,
Speaker 2: we sho focus on the right things and we prioritize that,
Speaker 2: then we do get better on sort of a case
Speaker 2: in point. But it's an every day, forever job. If
Speaker 2: you get sort of sloppy with it, you cook your head.
Speaker 2: Just stick it in the microwave a few metal forks,
Speaker 2: and that's the result head cooking in the world the microwave.
Speaker 2: Choose your poison, so and mate something with your PhD neuroscience.
Speaker 3: Nonetheless, I believe.
Speaker 2: I've been fascinated lately with posture, and I'm doing a
Speaker 2: few little other things outside of coaching and speaking, and
Speaker 2: maybe a little startup on the horizon, going back to
Speaker 2: the grassroots, mate sports science, leveraging a bit of that stuff.
Speaker 3: And just obviously you.
Speaker 2: Mentioned anxiety and parasympathetic verse sympathetic nervous system, and what
Speaker 2: I've noticed. I actually spoke to Paul Batman, who you'd know,
Speaker 2: and he's we've been chatting a bit about this, and
Speaker 2: like aesthetic versu athletic posture, aesthetic you know, stand up tall,
Speaker 2: stand up tall tommy in shoulders back, Well, you're guaranteed
Speaker 2: to breathe into your chest right then and there, ladies
Speaker 2: and gentlemen, which will stimulate the sympathetic nervous system, which
Speaker 2: will stimulate anxiety, stress, and head noise versus. And I've
Speaker 2: I believe in an area that's been missed is the
Speaker 2: thoracic spine a lot more than the lumber because it's
Speaker 2: not as easy to detect the curvature and where the
Speaker 2: sternum is. And we walk around resisting gravity all the time,
Speaker 2: especially if you're a short ass like me four point seven,
Speaker 2: and like so, I guess there's short people are probably
Speaker 2: more prone to it than really tall people who want
Speaker 2: to be a bit shorter to fit in.
Speaker 3: But that's just my hypothesis.
Speaker 2: But you resist gravity and you stand up for all
Speaker 2: or all these things, and you a real good chance
Speaker 2: to breathe up into your chest and stimulate the sympathetic
Speaker 2: nervous system as opposed to the parasympathetic versus breathing into
Speaker 2: your belly. And it's quite profound when you're breathing into
Speaker 2: your obviously you drop your sternum.
Speaker 3: You can't not breathe into your belly.
Speaker 2: And based you know what the thoracic spine is doing
Speaker 2: and where it funnels the air, and you create that
Speaker 2: intra abdominal pressure which leads into a core and how
Speaker 2: core can be misdiagnosed as well, that you know, we're
Speaker 2: at UNI and what we thought was right and the
Speaker 2: role of the spinal erect versus the intra abdominal pressure.
Speaker 3: Look at PARPs Is, like, where's this bloke come from?
Speaker 2: He's boon on a farm and he's firing up the
Speaker 2: old sports science degree. But I like to surprise you
Speaker 2: at times, Craig Anthony, having known it as long as
Speaker 2: I have it, but.
Speaker 3: The I'm a bit fascinated by it.
Speaker 2: Now for all the listeners, this will absolutely blow your
Speaker 2: socks off if you're wearing any and that is tonight,
Speaker 2: sit on the edge of the better on a chair
Speaker 2: with your shoulders above your hips, and exhale fully so
Speaker 2: you've got no air in your lungs. You exhale it
Speaker 2: fully and then try to stand.
Speaker 1: Up and hang on. So are we sitting upright or
Speaker 1: are we leaning forward? What do we know?
Speaker 3: You're sitting upright. You want your shoulders above your hips.
Speaker 2: You don't lean forward, use momentum and your dead set
Speaker 2: got the wobbly boot on like you've had a thousand schooners.
Speaker 2: Because when you look at the human skeleton from the
Speaker 2: ribs up and the pelvis down, it's very you know,
Speaker 2: the skeleton and whatnot. There's quite a bit going on.
Speaker 2: But between the bottom rib and the pelvis, this fuck
Speaker 2: all just a pole i e. Your spine and if
Speaker 2: you don't have a little belly balloon in there like
Speaker 2: a little bit. So what happens is when we go
Speaker 2: to get up, is that we have the slight a
Speaker 2: little inhale that we don't realize. And that's what it increases,
Speaker 2: you know, inflates that balloon slightly increases that pressure for
Speaker 2: the core muscles to brace against versus drawing the belly
Speaker 2: button in as we were sort of thinking way back
Speaker 2: in the day. And then wushka, and an even more
Speaker 2: powerful one is lying on the bed and exhalefully x
Speaker 2: holeefully nowhere in your tummy and try to get up
Speaker 2: from lying down your dead set can't like we just
Speaker 2: we don't realize that we have this inhale and inflate
Speaker 2: that balloon so subtly, so automatically, involuntarily. And I propose
Speaker 2: that's why babies have about seven thousand false starts before
Speaker 2: they can stand up and walk, because you can't do
Speaker 2: it when you haven't got air in your belly like that.
Speaker 2: And but we're not, we don't have what we're learning
Speaker 2: when we're babies. Forgot I know what I learned last week,
Speaker 2: little and when I was a baby. So therein lies
Speaker 2: the thing, and that dovetails into performance posture and what
Speaker 2: the best golfers and horse riders and what not do
Speaker 2: that But.
Speaker 3: They don't think they do or know they do.
Speaker 2: And then when you ask them what they do, they
Speaker 2: overthink it and they tell you something else because it's
Speaker 2: so subtle, really fascinating when it comes to sort of
Speaker 2: athletic or performance posture versus esthetic posture. Walking into a
Speaker 2: room suck the guts in stand up tall, but doesn't lend.
Speaker 2: It's not conducive to optimal cour stability and or strength
Speaker 2: and or performance.
Speaker 1: Rather than walking into a room. You know, I'm being
Speaker 1: bolt upright like a fucking adore with a pair of
Speaker 1: glasses on, javelin like a cricket bat. What what should
Speaker 1: so if I'm not standing up right? Shoulders back, chest out,
Speaker 1: you know, a big as a tree? What what am
Speaker 1: I doing? Like? What should my books?
Speaker 2: You make? Because you're built like an adonna? So like
Speaker 2: you know, it's hard for a blake of your stature,
Speaker 2: but for the me, my mortals who got shoulders like
Speaker 2: a javelin or whatnot? As I just thought i'd throw
Speaker 2: that in because it makes me laugh. Shoulders like a
Speaker 2: javelin or like a.
Speaker 1: Brown snake or a bottle of milk.
Speaker 2: Or a bottle of milk areas So no, but that
Speaker 2: comes back to do you remember in like primary school
Speaker 2: or very early on, we sort of were shown to
Speaker 2: balance a book on their head and walk around. Yeah, yeah, mate,
Speaker 2: I think the best they did that.
Speaker 1: I think they did that in elocution classes.
Speaker 2: June Dalley Watkins or whatever. Yes, I believe it was
Speaker 2: way back in the house in days, but yeah, that one.
Speaker 2: But I remember doing it and it used to fall off
Speaker 2: all the time because my sternum was elevated, my thoracic
Speaker 2: spine was lengthened and straightened. What happens is when you
Speaker 2: drop does this let go like if you stand up
Speaker 2: and you just look down and then lift your head up.
Speaker 3: Your sternham is the or when.
Speaker 2: We're up and resisting gravity and then we drop our
Speaker 2: sternum drops in our chin pops stern and drops chin
Speaker 2: pops and then the book's flatten. You can walk around
Speaker 2: all day and it doesn't fall off. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's what we were meant to be doing back in
Speaker 2: the day, and no wonder I couldn't do it because
Speaker 2: we're resisting gravity the whole time and we're a thoracic
Speaker 2: spine is more engaging when you drop it, you're breathing
Speaker 2: to your belly, parasympathetic.
Speaker 3: Great for sports and what have you.
Speaker 2: And the other kicker is when we do deadlifts and squats,
Speaker 2: that's actually the posture we're in, but we set up
Speaker 2: behind the bar or whatnot. And we're tall and exaggerated,
Speaker 2: but as soon as the weight is on us, then
Speaker 2: we drop into that posture because of the weight. But
Speaker 2: when there's no weight, we often resist gravity and to
Speaker 2: our detriment in a lot of ways, especially with the like.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of things with the endocrine system,
Speaker 2: the respiratory system, neurologically, it's all linked, as you know
Speaker 2: better than anyone, and it all comes, I believe, come
Speaker 2: back to posture and this whole idea of diaphragmatic breathing.
Speaker 2: When the sternams dropped, well, the diaphragm can work properly.
Speaker 1: So okay, so some people are going, yeah, right, cool,
Speaker 1: But how do I stand? Though? So what's an optimal
Speaker 1: standing position? If I'm watching the footy and I'm standing
Speaker 1: there for an hour and I've got a beer in
Speaker 1: my left hand or a fucking chocolate milk, what's the
Speaker 1: optimal standing Like, what's my posture doing? If I'm doing
Speaker 1: it right?
Speaker 2: Well, you just rather than you just let go so
Speaker 2: you'll feel like how when you're aware of it, you'll
Speaker 2: just see how you're standing more upright than you need
Speaker 2: to be, and your hips come under you and you
Speaker 2: just relax. It's sort of like the bones not the muscles,
Speaker 2: you know, and the head just sits there like a
Speaker 2: billiard ball on a pool queue, if you will.
Speaker 3: So you're not like.
Speaker 2: You feel your head out of the way to your
Speaker 2: head actually more in the back of your neck instead
Speaker 2: of your lumbers spine.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. So I feel like though, for a lot
Speaker 1: of people that do that, they're going to just look
Speaker 1: like a fucking hiphotic kind of you know, shoulders forward,
Speaker 1: rounded back.
Speaker 2: Is that well, look, well it would look As a
Speaker 2: sports scientist, I would say it would look like lazy posture, yes,
Speaker 2: versus you know, esthetic posture or what we were taught
Speaker 2: was athletic. But when you've got a wait, as I said,
Speaker 2: that's not what you're doing anyway. But yeah, and you
Speaker 2: just relax, and you know, I've been working on a
Speaker 2: golf swing system and the all and a few different
Speaker 2: bits and pieces and yeah, just tinking away in the
Speaker 2: back shed out here, and and yeah, a lot of
Speaker 2: these learnings and just the performance enhancements that they have.
Speaker 2: But also like you know, in golf as an example,
Speaker 2: like a lot of these top golf pros that they
Speaker 2: suffer from stress fractures, in their lower back. It's very common, right,
Speaker 2: because they've got an engaged lumber spine, you know, and
Speaker 2: they're Stirnam's up the thoracic lumbers engaged, they overdo it.
Speaker 2: It's over engaged versus let gravity dropped them over the
Speaker 2: ball better, like they you know, they swung the club
Speaker 2: when they were fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, arguably at their best
Speaker 2: when they were freak junior golfers. And I think it's
Speaker 2: sort of come from sports science actually, like our domain
Speaker 2: over cooking, the posture piece that's flown into coaching, you know,
Speaker 2: that's gone into coaching in sports, and it's you know,
Speaker 2: two people's detriment. It's really interesting, but it's what I
Speaker 2: for the general population, what's interesting is how many people
Speaker 2: have anxiety, and you know, how much of that is
Speaker 2: related to where the breath goes the chest or the
Speaker 2: belly or the diaphragm or you know, and I believe
Speaker 2: that could be postural.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And also when you think about like everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, some people have what's called which you know,
Speaker 1: but I'll explain it for our listeners, like anterior pelvic
Speaker 1: tilt where they're kind of their pelvis tilts forward a
Speaker 1: bit or posterior pelvic tilt, you know, and people who
Speaker 1: have like what we would call that kind of where
Speaker 1: you're at the front of your pelvis is much like
Speaker 1: than the back. Then you have that sway back or
Speaker 1: that lordonic kind of posture. And then other people almost
Speaker 1: have like a flat spine. Some people are quite cyphotic,
Speaker 1: that hunchy back. Some people, like an alarming amount of
Speaker 1: people have a bit of scoliosis, you know, either very
Speaker 1: minor or dramatic curvature of the spine. And everybody's skeleton
Speaker 1: really is in a way, you know, we've all got
Speaker 1: a skeleton, but they ain't all the same. And then
Speaker 1: and then we when you think about all the muscles, ligaments,
Speaker 1: tenons that attached to the skeleton and then move you know, joints, neflextion, extension,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. Like to say that everyone
Speaker 1: should lift exactly this way, like you should all dead
Speaker 1: lift this way. Well no, not if you've got a
Speaker 1: different skeleton to me. There needs to be an adaptation
Speaker 1: or modification, you know. Like one of the funny things
Speaker 1: is my left leg is more externally rotated than sorry,
Speaker 1: my right leg is more externally rotated than my left.
Speaker 1: So I'm if I'm doing a squat my left foot
Speaker 1: is it about you know, three minutes to twelve or
Speaker 1: five minutes to twelve, But my right foot is at
Speaker 1: about ten.
Speaker 3: Past yeah, yeah, right, So instead of.
Speaker 1: Being at the twelve o'clock, my left foot is turned
Speaker 1: out a bit, my right foot is turned out more. Now,
Speaker 1: if you look at me squatting, you would go, oh fuck,
Speaker 1: put your right foot in because it's turned out. But
Speaker 1: when I try and do that, when I try and
Speaker 1: get the same angle in both feet, it feels like
Speaker 1: my right hip and right fema are twisted. So and
Speaker 1: that's because all that, for whatever reason, my right leg
Speaker 1: is externally rotated more than my left, which people who
Speaker 1: don't know what they're looking for wouldn't notice it, right
Speaker 1: of course. But for me, where I am feeling the
Speaker 1: most comfortable and natural, it's the most natural kind of
Speaker 1: plane of movement. For me. To look at it looks fucked.
Speaker 1: But when I do it, textbook, I get injured.
Speaker 3: For sure. You know where they would solutely.
Speaker 1: Example, you should have the exact same level of rotation next,
Speaker 1: you know, so your feet, your feet should be let's
Speaker 1: say it five to one, you know, five to one o'clock,
Speaker 1: you know, like a or whatever. That is ten degrees
Speaker 1: and ten degrees. But yeah, and so I think that.
Speaker 1: But this thinking in general, like when you talk about
Speaker 1: like that, that applies to a lot of things, doesn't it,
Speaker 1: like in terms of it does.
Speaker 2: But he's a good one, so I can to erupt.
Speaker 2: He's a good one. You know. Chest out, shoulders, back,
Speaker 2: tummy in. Yeah, do not pass, go, do not collect
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars. Go straight to anterior pelvic tilt if
Speaker 2: you chest out, shoulders, back, tummy in, tummy in, especially
Speaker 2: anterior pelvic tilt if you suck the belly button in,
Speaker 2: the guts in, and if anyone's you know, carrying a
Speaker 2: couple kg's and they generally will do that, right, draw
Speaker 2: the tumming in and what have you. Aesthetically, there's your
Speaker 2: anterior pelvic tilt. When you're just relax your belly drop.
Speaker 2: You're not dropping your sternum like the bloody crunch. It's
Speaker 2: just gravity. It's nothing more. It's nothing forced, there's no
Speaker 2: manual labor. It's just letting the gravity do its thing.
Speaker 2: And I think gravity is the thing that's.
Speaker 3: Been missed it.
Speaker 2: We resist it all day unknowingly, and then that has
Speaker 2: an effect. And when you don't, when you just let
Speaker 2: your stomach relax, your pelvis is far more inclined to
Speaker 2: go into a neutral position instead of anterior pelvic tilt,
Speaker 2: which switches off the hammies, the glutes and the hammies
Speaker 2: and just the glutes especially. Just have a holiday, and
Speaker 2: you know, and all this you just activate your glutes
Speaker 2: and your hammies and all these things happen when you
Speaker 2: actually let go against gravity and stop resisting it.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it gets you into much better alignment.
Speaker 1: Could I ask you look thick at the moment, And
Speaker 1: by thick, I mean like you've put on some muscle,
Speaker 1: Like you look larger than last time I.
Speaker 2: Saw you a gym.
Speaker 1: Oh so you so you're back in the.
Speaker 2: Well. If this was a month ago, I'd say, mate,
Speaker 2: I joined a gym, and I joined it a month ago,
Speaker 2: and I've been twice, but now I've up it a
Speaker 2: bit since then. But may two times a week or
Speaker 2: something I get in there.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, you're just up the road.
Speaker 1: You also look like you've got a tear in the
Speaker 1: top of your bicep.
Speaker 3: Is that right correct? Yes, how'd you do that?
Speaker 2: Bodybuilding? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, bodybuilding, Yeah yeah, in both Lucky
Speaker 2: there's two tendons there a on the one of them
Speaker 2: the heavy lifting.
Speaker 1: Lucky it's a bicep and not a un sep.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. So powers of observation serve your world of
Speaker 2: quote over one I believe it was back in the day.
Speaker 4: But what opened what opened the door on this new
Speaker 4: found or resurgence in terms of your your postural stuff
Speaker 4: and your physiological performance stuff.
Speaker 1: So for those who don't know Jeff, his background is
Speaker 1: in sports science. He he along with Simo, created Vision
Speaker 1: Personal Training, biggest PT franchise in Australia. Still Simo is
Speaker 1: still he's got more money than God. You're still killing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Jeff and I are saving up for fucking
Speaker 1: rice and Simmo is just rolling around in his Bentley.
Speaker 3: You've got plenty of hals.
Speaker 2: Don't play it down.
Speaker 3: You're going good. But carry it.
Speaker 1: Be ridiculous, don't be ridiculous. And but yeah you but
Speaker 1: and you built you know, body trim and but you
Speaker 1: lived in the physical space, working with bodies and the
Speaker 1: people who inhabited them for a long time. But and
Speaker 1: it's not like you turned your back on that, but
Speaker 1: you've been doing other things for a while. What dragged
Speaker 1: you back into that space?
Speaker 2: Well, good question, mate. I think it started, well, a
Speaker 2: couple of things out here in the boondocks. I I
Speaker 2: thought about the golf swing for a while I played
Speaker 2: all my life, and and also horse riding, and just
Speaker 2: that all the stuff around the golf swing and riding
Speaker 2: horses that just didn't line up for me, just the people.
Speaker 2: It was very ambiguous and or I just wasn't adding up.
Speaker 2: And then I started this play around with a few
Speaker 2: different things on horses, hitting golf balls, and I started
Speaker 2: and just understanding, you know, how the body sort of moved,
Speaker 2: and realizing that some people have a lazy posture and
Speaker 2: what have you in sports and others don't. But the
Speaker 2: thing is, if you don't, you only know what you
Speaker 2: have and you're not. People generally don't see that others
Speaker 2: are not posturally the same or engaged as much or
Speaker 2: as little. But I realized that the body, the biomechanics
Speaker 2: of the body it were profoundly differently based on your
Speaker 2: postural level of engagement. So the momentum forces of the
Speaker 2: club head worked differently. How the horse moves you is
Speaker 2: different based on how engaged and or tense verse relaxed
Speaker 2: you are, so you know your center of mass is
Speaker 2: higher or lower, your center of gravity, all these how
Speaker 2: you use the ground over the golf board all different.
Speaker 2: And then that I just sort of started to join
Speaker 2: more and more dots. Teamed up with the made of
Speaker 2: mine who's a golf pro, and he went, hang on.
Speaker 2: Over time, we both realize that you know, everyone's guessing.
Speaker 2: And now that we've started to join the dots, it's
Speaker 2: like throwing darts. It's exciting. Same with horses. Riding horses
Speaker 2: are totally different, and how you recycle the energy of
Speaker 2: the horse into your body into the horse. And because
Speaker 2: I know another thing that stayed with me, I guess
Speaker 2: nearly is sober gift of sobriety seven hundred and two.
Speaker 2: Like I remember a lot of things that have said
Speaker 2: to me and Glenn Boss, the jockeys are made of mine.
Speaker 2: He won three Melbourne Cups, so I'm guessing he's got
Speaker 2: a pretty good clue about horses. And he was chatting
Speaker 2: with chat picking his brain one day and you know,
Speaker 2: he said to me, he said Jeffrey. Just if anything
Speaker 2: party is tense on a horse, just you know you're
Speaker 2: going to bounce off.
Speaker 3: And I bounced that off.
Speaker 2: A lot of horsey people and they go, oh no,
Speaker 2: that's not Oh no, I don't know about that, bla.
Speaker 2: And over time I realized that, you know, there are
Speaker 2: people riding in a different seat position based on this
Speaker 2: posture thing, and one.
Speaker 3: Way is really hard.
Speaker 2: And it's a bit like if a if you're piggybacking
Speaker 2: a little kid on your back and they're digging their
Speaker 2: knees into you versus not right, that's what the horse
Speaker 2: feels based on your posture. And it's been profound with
Speaker 2: horses and the way that they respond and like really
Speaker 2: it's the whole other world. And the same thing with golf,
Speaker 2: and now I can do things with golf that I
Speaker 2: couldn't before. But getting it that that didn't really get
Speaker 2: me into the gym. I had a few niggles with
Speaker 2: the shoulders and whatnot, and I thought, no, it's time
Speaker 2: I've been taking the piss out of it for a while.
Speaker 2: Up I went like, just to get rid of the
Speaker 2: niggles and just you know, they're all good now, thankfully,
Speaker 2: And yeah, joining the gym was more just just to
Speaker 2: get myself, you know, physically sort of fit and strong,
Speaker 2: you know, and get rid of the niggles. And then
Speaker 2: when I actually started doing weights again, I actually, more
Speaker 2: than ever in my life, realized just the the mental
Speaker 2: health benefits and just the brain just comes to life
Speaker 2: so quickly for me when I start lifting weights, you know,
Speaker 2: one set and it's just like woosh, the lights are on.
Speaker 3: We how good is this?
Speaker 2: And I probably didn't fully appreciate that in my younger
Speaker 2: years because I trained most every day. But then you
Speaker 2: stop and then you start your how wow, unbelievable? Like
Speaker 2: that alone is just so critical. But I go in
Speaker 2: there for like fifteen twenty minutes and I'm just doing
Speaker 2: a thing and get out of there.
Speaker 3: I'm not there.
Speaker 2: I'm not running marathons and I rock up in Ara
Speaker 2: and Williams or my gun boots and I'm not running
Speaker 2: on the treadmill. Am I say, like I don't need
Speaker 2: my runners or not that I got a pair, But
Speaker 2: like I just get in there and do basic compound
Speaker 2: lifts and blah blah blah, it's great, Like I enjoy
Speaker 2: it for that and well, actually I don't know if
Speaker 2: I super love it because I did it for eight
Speaker 2: million years, whereas as a young bloke at the local
Speaker 2: gym and he's sort of you know, young fella trying
Speaker 2: to put on some weight and you know, blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and you know, I just loves it. And they're like, man,
Speaker 2: you're going to get right right into it, like what's
Speaker 2: happening now. But I'm like, mate, I'm just just chip
Speaker 2: away like it does. It's it's different when.
Speaker 3: You did it thirty or for thirty.
Speaker 2: Years, and I just recognize the importance and the benefit
Speaker 2: of it. But I kind of like the life activities horses,
Speaker 2: golf and those things a bit more in terms of
Speaker 2: mental stings. But for the for the you know, physiological health,
Speaker 2: mental health, like all those benefits are just realizing more
Speaker 2: than I ever did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah as you get older, especially I mean
Speaker 1: I'm a lot older than you. But I think apart
Speaker 1: from all the other things that people you know could do,
Speaker 1: Suck in some oxygen, get your heart rate up, do
Speaker 1: some cardio, do a bit of stretching, you know, get
Speaker 1: your feet in dirt, get your feet in sand, if
Speaker 1: you can be in nature, hugger tree, all that stuff,
Speaker 1: which is all important and I do all of that too.
Speaker 1: It's like there is something unique about strength training that well,
Speaker 1: we know that it's cognitively it's cognitively enhancing. It's cognitive enhancer.
Speaker 1: It produces dopamine, makes you feel good, you know, muscle mass, posture,
Speaker 1: bone density. Not so sure about the posture after today's chat.
Speaker 1: But I mean there's a multi there's a multitude of benefits.
Speaker 1: But as you said, and this is what people don't get, right,
Speaker 1: you could literally the average punter if the average person
Speaker 1: who never lifts weights went to a gym two times
Speaker 1: a week, now here's the caveat and trained effectively, right,
Speaker 1: not just fucking around thirty minutes. But if the average
Speaker 1: punter went to maybe three times a week for thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: and those thirty minutes were really productive and specific to
Speaker 1: the needs and the physiology of the individual, that one
Speaker 1: hour or ninety minutes a week is one of the
Speaker 1: greatest investments of all time because you know, and I
Speaker 1: know you don't need to. One of the best bodybuilders
Speaker 1: of all time Dorian right Yates, Remember Dorian back in
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 2: Well bloody, it's one of the cracking videos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dorian was in and out of the gym in
Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes and trained four days a week when
Speaker 1: he was mister Olympia, and every other dickhead, every other
Speaker 1: dickhead was doing five hours in the gym seven days
Speaker 1: a week and Dorian's like in there for forty minutes
Speaker 1: and he's having three days a week off. And of
Speaker 1: course yeah, there's a few supplements along the way, but
Speaker 1: his actual training regime was like really unconventional compared to
Speaker 1: the masses and got amazing results.
Speaker 2: But as you will know, you know, super compensation I
Speaker 2: think they call it, and what have you. And you
Speaker 2: know you're trying to you know, micro tears in the
Speaker 2: muscle so that it's stimulated and forced to grow and
Speaker 2: what have you. And if you have a train it
Speaker 2: that can't happen. And that's why a lot of the
Speaker 2: young blokes especially want the big Warwick farms and their
Speaker 2: training every day going backwards. They can't open up can
Speaker 2: of bloody beans, right, So it's it's like it's counterintuity, paradoxical.
Speaker 2: But to get good gains, you've just got to you know,
Speaker 2: hear the muscle on a micro level, and you know,
Speaker 2: super compensate, and there's your hypertrophy if you eat and
Speaker 2: eat the right foods, calories, get enough sleep. So it's
Speaker 2: critical obviously for hypertrophy and getting enough the right macros
Speaker 2: and whatnot. In the way you go like it's it's
Speaker 2: it's not volume at all. Yates was all over it,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's just that we love training so
Speaker 2: much that we love the feeling and then we can
Speaker 2: generally overtrain for optimal hyperchashy. Especially fat loss is obviously different,
Speaker 2: but muscle hyperchasey calorie surplus critical. So yeah, that's that's
Speaker 2: very interesting. The thing I was going to say as
Speaker 2: well with the posture, which again I think when you
Speaker 2: have got a muscular developed physke, you can't have bad
Speaker 2: posture if you try. I think half the reason people
Speaker 2: have got bad posture is they've got a no muscle development, right,
Speaker 2: so all the stuff I'm talking about my body works
Speaker 2: better on this, but I'm fairly muscularly developed, if you will,
Speaker 2: and like my posture is good, I don't need to
Speaker 2: overcook it. So I think sometimes a lot of the
Speaker 2: stuff I've thought this as well with posture is that
Speaker 2: it's more the reality is that you know, there's just
Speaker 2: not enough muscle on the bones to hold people in
Speaker 2: the right position.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So I've got a thing everyone knows, Tiger Woods and
Speaker 2: the golfer. And there's a picture of him. I took
Speaker 2: the picture, but he has when he was in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety seven. He hits a shot, but it's a hole
Speaker 2: in one. It goes in the bloody hole. This is
Speaker 2: whatever tournament it was. And his posture over the golf ball,
Speaker 2: he's a lot more. He lets go more against gravity.
Speaker 2: He can see the subtle curvature in his thoracic spine
Speaker 2: versus what most people do today.
Speaker 3: And a lot of the top top world.
Speaker 2: Champion golfers were like this when they were younger, and
Speaker 2: they were corrected by inverted commas the best coaches, and
Speaker 2: I believe to their detriment both in performance and injury
Speaker 2: prevention and what have you, due to the sort of
Speaker 2: stress on the lower back. And that's a classic example
Speaker 2: of a bloke who that shot, that particular shot went
Speaker 2: in the hole. One bounce in the hole. But it
Speaker 2: was once you see it, you can't undersee it because
Speaker 2: it just peaks you over the ball better and you
Speaker 2: can press squash the ball better, and you stay out
Speaker 2: all these things and you lower back doesn't hurt. And
Speaker 2: it's all these things that I've sort of worked out
Speaker 2: and looking at other top. You know, Rory mclroy Adams
Speaker 2: got all these players who were great world champions but
Speaker 2: were arguably better when they were seventeen before they were
Speaker 2: changed in so many ways, and it's almost manufactured again
Speaker 2: through what sports science seemed to be correct. But you know,
Speaker 2: it's really interesting, mate, it's a whole other world. But
Speaker 2: the posture thing, I'm fascinated as well. We'd like the
Speaker 2: neuroscience and what you do and anxiety. Everyone's got anxiety
Speaker 2: and stress. But if you're breathing into your chest all
Speaker 2: the time, shallow chest, breathing upright, bolt upright, tall, well
Speaker 2: you can't not have anxiety stress. So yeah, combine that
Speaker 2: within your head thinking about what might happen, you're gone
Speaker 2: like it's horrible.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's funny as you were talking about,
Speaker 1: you know the way that people get trained to you know,
Speaker 1: however you're standing, it's wrong, stand like that, don't sit
Speaker 1: like that right and look sometimes that is true, sometimes
Speaker 1: that is accurate, you know. But I was thinking about
Speaker 1: the amount of people in the gym who have what
Speaker 1: we colloquially call tennis elbow or what we more accurately
Speaker 1: know as lateral epicond. The lightis but basically inflammation in
Speaker 1: the outside of your elbow golfer's elbow side media epicond.
Speaker 1: The lightis blah blah blah. Right, But I was thinking
Speaker 1: about Tiff, who does some who works with me on
Speaker 1: this show. She's She was telling me the other day about,
Speaker 1: you know, this pain she's got outside of her elbow,
Speaker 1: which we would call tennis elbow, and I said, when
Speaker 1: does it hurt? And she goes, when I do curls right,
Speaker 1: And I said, well, think about this, like when you
Speaker 1: stand up, like if everyone just stood up now, if
Speaker 1: you can stand up, just stand up and just relax
Speaker 1: and see where your hands are.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Where your hands are is usually with the palms facing
Speaker 1: either your hips or the back, you know, like your
Speaker 1: palms aren't forward right, So in order to get your
Speaker 1: I'm standing up now, but in order to get your
Speaker 1: palms here, you've literally got to like rotate your forearms.
Speaker 1: And so we're now standing in an unnatural position. And
Speaker 1: then we put sixty pounds or whatever in our hands
Speaker 1: and then we do this movement up this elbow flexion
Speaker 1: and elbow extension, and we go to the bottom of
Speaker 1: this movement. Now we're standing with our palms facing forward,
Speaker 1: which we never do. And now not only are we
Speaker 1: doing this weird movement, we've got that underload, right, which
Speaker 1: is why, you know, and there are so many things
Speaker 1: that we do in the gym that are not normal
Speaker 1: day to day movements, or we're not in the normal
Speaker 1: plane of movement, or we're not how our we're externally
Speaker 1: or internally rotated in a weird way, and then we
Speaker 1: loaded up with weights. So then the easy fix for
Speaker 1: that is do hammer curls or do curls with your
Speaker 1: palms facing your midline, you know, is facing your spine,
Speaker 1: so instead of curling like that and you can see
Speaker 1: we're curling like that as you know, right. But there's
Speaker 1: there are a lot of things that are that are
Speaker 1: taught in gyms, and I guess involf and horse riding
Speaker 1: that actually absolutely under scrutiny. Don't stand up.
Speaker 2: That's a very good point, and that's what I've been
Speaker 2: working on in the golf space especially, and with it,
Speaker 2: I'm lucky I've played a lot of junior golf and
Speaker 2: was played on my life and one of my junior
Speaker 2: golf buddies golf pro at my club. Actually it turns
Speaker 2: out and really humble guy and sort of not full
Speaker 2: of ego and like, oh no, that's wrong, blah blah.
Speaker 2: But funnily enough, did like four unit maths and quite
Speaker 2: intellectually bright, so he understands physics and things. So it's
Speaker 2: fascinated him and work out a few bits and pieces
Speaker 2: and just looking at it in terms of more physics
Speaker 2: gravity momentum forces than are a mass instead of just
Speaker 2: what everyone does. Yeah, one hundred thousand lemons can't be
Speaker 2: wrong because and getting back to the point of what
Speaker 2: got me onto this you're gonna laugh. I think you
Speaker 2: might bust a riby on this one, so you know,
Speaker 2: just giving you some.
Speaker 1: Let me put let me type up this tape up.
Speaker 2: Please, but like, okay, no offense to all the golfers.
Speaker 2: But here's the reality, right, The golf ball doesn't fucking move.
Speaker 2: It's on the ground and it's stationary. We're not hitting
Speaker 2: baseballs at one hundred miles an hour. It's not cricket
Speaker 2: with glenmorgrab banging them down a warning God rest he solid,
Speaker 2: he's primate and bloody, all sorts of crazy balls that
Speaker 2: he used to write. The ball doesn't move, but everyone's shit.
Speaker 2: My brain cannot let that go. The ball doesn't move,
Speaker 2: gravity doesn't change, right, the club is the same weight
Speaker 2: and length, and your body doesn't change all of There
Speaker 2: are no external variables, so it's you can understand the
Speaker 2: variables the swing coade if you will, of your body
Speaker 2: because the flipping ball's not moving. You can't. You should
Speaker 2: not be that shit. So about four years ago and
Speaker 2: go to any driving range. I won't even say what
Speaker 2: they say because you know, too many beeps, but like
Speaker 2: it is, just blokes are just headless of themselves that
Speaker 2: they just can't hit it and they just blow up
Speaker 2: and they're just filthy on themselves. And it should the
Speaker 2: thing that you know, I just couldn't put down, was it.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be that hard because the thing's not moving now,
Speaker 2: so that you don't need brilliant hand like coordination because
Speaker 2: you're not hitting a moving target. And here's another little
Speaker 2: I know was sort of into the sports science performance
Speaker 2: world today, but we've done a million on other.
Speaker 3: Things, so it's probably good to have a little pivot anyway,
Speaker 3: Prague Anthony.
Speaker 2: But what I here's another thing I remember. I remember
Speaker 2: going on dates and whatnot back in my early late
Speaker 2: teens early twenties, like tenpin bowling. I was the shittest
Speaker 2: tenpin bowl the world's ever seen. Like, you can't if
Speaker 2: you think you're shit listening to this, you're not shit.
Speaker 3: I was that shit, right, just shit harder. I tried
Speaker 3: the worse.
Speaker 2: I was like, you need the bumpers up everything for me,
Speaker 2: and I still might hag it down another few hours.
Speaker 2: Like I was just shitouse And so there was that
Speaker 2: factor and darts, free throws shit. Then I thought, hang on, okay,
Speaker 2: what if this posture I'm talking.
Speaker 3: About, you know you've got if you look at.
Speaker 2: Like I can remember distinctly people, you know, lazy type
Speaker 2: people who were just weapons at tenpin bowling, darts, these
Speaker 2: sorts of things because they've dropped the center of mass.
Speaker 2: It's this posture I'm talking about, and I believe it
Speaker 2: enhances the hand eye piece or just your body awareness,
Speaker 2: the whole biomechanics. The feel is different in this postural
Speaker 2: engagement piece. So the yeah, the like for me, tenpin
Speaker 2: bowling darts three throws horribly shit, right, And I think
Speaker 2: there's a whole heap of merit in that, and people
Speaker 2: who are listening to these you might think, shit, my mate, Barry,
Speaker 2: Barry's never been to the gymmy as twenty schooners a night.
Speaker 2: The blokes could be professional dark player. He's carrying probably
Speaker 2: thirty or forty kegs extra and the bloke's an absolute
Speaker 2: weapon at darts, tempin, bowling, whatever, because of this posture
Speaker 2: that this person's got because they're just a bit lazy, right,
Speaker 2: But then we overcook the posture, we overcooked the tension,
Speaker 2: and we don't have that what inverted Comma's natural ability?
Speaker 2: And that leads me to another point around we think
Speaker 2: people have got these natural gifts and ability. What if
Speaker 2: they just got lucky with the posture that they adopted,
Speaker 2: which lended itself more to the sport that they chose.
Speaker 2: And I believe that's a lot more of the case
Speaker 2: than people being naturally gifted, especially with a non moving target,
Speaker 2: for God's sake, and watching major tournaments and the best
Speaker 2: golfers in the world. A road hooking at left off
Speaker 2: the first t to the point that I googled the
Speaker 2: golf course to see if there was an ocean on
Speaker 2: the right. Because I'm thinking, these are the best golfers
Speaker 2: in the world, and this now booking it off the
Speaker 2: first like this is not that doesn't add up to me.
Speaker 2: My brain's like, hang on, this isn't like the local
Speaker 2: club champs. But these are the best golfers in the
Speaker 2: world and they're almost putting it out of bounds off
Speaker 2: te box one. So again, and then by that point
Speaker 2: I'd worked out things about the posture. So mate, welcome
Speaker 2: to my mind.
Speaker 3: Harps. Have you have you.
Speaker 1: Ever heard have you ever heard of a guy called
Speaker 1: Luke Littler l I double T L E R. No,
Speaker 1: you're not near a computer.
Speaker 3: You only have your phone, right, Yeah, but I will
Speaker 3: google him later.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Luke Littler, God bless him is. He is
Speaker 1: an absolute phenom in darts. Now, if you look at Luke,
Speaker 1: Luke looks like, and I mean this with respect, like
Speaker 1: he's a big boy. He does not look like by
Speaker 1: the way, he's fucking brilliant. Right. He started winning like
Speaker 1: big titles when he was sick. He's seventeen years old.
Speaker 1: Now he's a big boy. We would say he's not
Speaker 1: fit he probably doesn't have a great diet, and he
Speaker 1: just does not look like an athlete at all. But darts,
Speaker 1: of course, incredible hand eye coordinations, skill, dexterity, balanced timing,
Speaker 1: fucking eyes whatever I mean it is. I wouldn't call
Speaker 1: it athletic, but it's definitely yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a game of skill. It requires precision repetition, yes.
Speaker 1: One hundred. And he's amazing. He's amazing, and it kind
Speaker 1: of supports your theory, you know, whereas he does not
Speaker 1: at all look like an athlete. He looked by the way,
Speaker 1: it looks like he's thirty years old. He's got stubble.
Speaker 2: But what you touched on there is exactly what I'm
Speaker 2: I absolutely believe. I'm glad we actually somehow came onto
Speaker 2: this topic today because we were talking. You mentioned that
Speaker 2: post about anxiety, which I'm glad you did because that
Speaker 2: was the starting point regarding parasympathetic belly breathing diaphragmatic which
Speaker 2: is optimized and you know that it forces you to
Speaker 2: do that when you let go against gravity and the
Speaker 2: sternam drops. But that also helps neurologically physiologically with anxiety,
Speaker 2: stress and whatnot, but also sports performance and these types
Speaker 2: of people. I've got a client of mine, right, he's
Speaker 2: commercial real estate. He's not a bloody professional athlete. But
Speaker 2: he started playing just like basketball Monday nights, and you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes we had about all sorts of things, and I
Speaker 2: told him to try this, mate, he might be I
Speaker 2: don't think he's missed a free throw in competition since
Speaker 2: once he just did what we're talking about here. He goes,
Speaker 2: you dead set onto something here like this is like
Speaker 2: it changes the mechanics. If you will, your center of
Speaker 2: mass drops, You've got more feel. I think what it does,
Speaker 2: he says, that isolates the variables, like there's not as
Speaker 2: many moves in parts when you're up taller, sorry, when
Speaker 2: you dropped down and it's just sort of the arm
Speaker 2: piece and it's not everything. Sort of you're more dynamically
Speaker 2: stable when you've dropped. And Paul Batman album mate dot
Speaker 2: PhD in exercise science, I running through all this and
Speaker 2: he's like, mate, I think you're actually right. I think
Speaker 2: we overcooked it. I think with all this stuff you
Speaker 2: know in sports science. And we chat away a bit
Speaker 2: and he said, you know what with obviously Daniel's son
Speaker 2: tragically passed away, but Daniel was an Olympic. He went
Speaker 2: to the Olympics for Australia, one of the best four
Speaker 2: hundred meter runners.
Speaker 3: Australia's ever had.
Speaker 2: And Paul said to me, he said, you know what,
Speaker 2: with sprinting, they actually teach you to get down low,
Speaker 2: like you drop your Sternham. And I was never, ladies
Speaker 2: and gentlemen that good at sprinting, rest assured, but I
Speaker 2: have had a few cracks out at doing this. Then
Speaker 2: tell you what there might have to be a comeback to,
Speaker 2: because I'm lightning, absolutely lightning. You use the ground more,
Speaker 2: you agree with the action forces are massively enhanced, and
Speaker 2: you just push the gluts everything.
Speaker 1: So well, if you see, if you see, you sayin
Speaker 1: bolt over the first forty meters he's looking at the ground, Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's literally in significant you know, pelvic flexion. Yes, and
Speaker 1: he's hunched over. He starts to stand more upright, and
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's not forty meters, but it's definitely
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty meters. Well, he's hunched over, he's running
Speaker 1: in yes, almost a prone position.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, perhaps it's really I'm so glad we
Speaker 2: touched on this.
Speaker 3: I'd love to unpack.
Speaker 2: It, you know, in future you know episodes if people
Speaker 2: are interested, because I think there's a big like a
Speaker 2: few things have been missed, you know, by you know,
Speaker 2: when we're the most guilty is judge, we've got the
Speaker 2: bloody degrees, like and it's just really looking at where
Speaker 2: things you know, originated from and what. And I think
Speaker 2: a lot of this with posture is everybody knows if
Speaker 2: you don't round your back when you pick something up,
Speaker 2: because you'll hurt. You're like, you know, all that got it,
Speaker 2: But then we took it too far the other way.
Speaker 2: We hollowed the shit out of it, and we were
Speaker 2: bolt upright right, so you split the difference. And the
Speaker 2: spine is a wonderful thing, Like it's like a snake.
Speaker 2: And also because of the way the human spine is,
Speaker 2: you know, it's actually can be put into so many
Speaker 2: different subtle variations that under clothes and different body composition
Speaker 2: and aesthetics is very hard to detect, especially up in
Speaker 2: the thoracic and you know, but with the breathing for me,
Speaker 2: like it's a game changer because when you're up in
Speaker 2: your chest you can get really rattled and anxious and
Speaker 2: when you're in your belly, you're good as gold, and
Speaker 2: that obviously affects sports, but just mental well being for
Speaker 2: God's sake, to get rid of the bloody anxiety that
Speaker 2: plagues everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I was just thinking then when
Speaker 1: you're talking about picking something up off the floor, right,
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, you know, activate your TVA transverse subdominance,
Speaker 1: like into it. Like it's almost like you get into
Speaker 1: this weird position that you're never in right now. While
Speaker 1: you're in that weird position that's not usual or normal
Speaker 1: for you pick some shit up. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: and I mean, of course, like activating your core and
Speaker 1: all of that. Of course not a bad thing, of course,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think it is. It is funny that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff, especially in in exercise science
Speaker 1: that like you and I, you and I both got
Speaker 1: taught at some stage, well I did, I'm sure you did,
Speaker 1: and a lot of our listeners are. Okay, So power
Speaker 1: is two to four reps. Strength is four to eight reps,
Speaker 1: eight to fifteen reps. Anything above fifteen reps is muscular
Speaker 1: endurance and what a lot of fucking bullshit, Like think
Speaker 1: about Olympic cyclists who do thousands of fucking reps and
Speaker 1: they've got the biggest quads in the world, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, thousands of thousands of reps of the
Speaker 1: same way. Think about Olympic swimmers who are just doing
Speaker 1: basically the same movement countless times with the same body
Speaker 1: and the same resistance through the water depending on how
Speaker 1: fast they're going or what stroke they're doing, But who
Speaker 1: have got these giant fucking shoulders and backs. You know,
Speaker 1: Like there's so much that is held as kind of gospel.
Speaker 3: I'm scientific in stone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's like it's complete bullshit.
Speaker 2: You one more thing I want you to sorry interrupt,
Speaker 2: I get excited.
Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm ready. One more.
Speaker 2: One more thing, Like next, I know you're a deadlifting
Speaker 2: spleened at your local Jimmy. Like, so next time you're deadlifting,
Speaker 2: probably in the.
Speaker 3: Night, you'll be there. You love it.
Speaker 2: But next time you're deadlifting, right, try this because now
Speaker 2: once you're aware of it, you have these profound realizations.
Speaker 2: You go to deadlift. Everyone talks about core and core
Speaker 2: engagement and activation. I'm certain it's involuntary when the posture
Speaker 2: is correct. It's not in a girl quantum physics string
Speaker 2: theory folks all, but that it's been turned into that
Speaker 2: for fox's sake. Same with the bloody Gulf swing, Like
Speaker 2: everyone's treating the effects during the swing, which is mission
Speaker 2: impossible dot com versus like getting it right with posturally
Speaker 2: and the pressure and then it's automatic. So but with
Speaker 2: a dead lift, when you go, when you like getting
Speaker 2: up off the bed, when you go to actually lift
Speaker 2: the weight, you get down to the bar, you go
Speaker 2: to lift that up, you have this little inhale the
Speaker 2: balloon core infra adominal pressure and your core goes, it engages,
Speaker 2: but you're not flexing your core. It's intra abdominal internal
Speaker 2: pressure that the muscles can then brace against versus an
Speaker 2: empty void and just a telegraph pole and then but
Speaker 2: that's what we do when we're deadlift. We're not excessively
Speaker 2: hollowing our lumber back to our detriment because the erect
Speaker 2: of spine muscles are like not taking a knife to
Speaker 2: a gunfight. No, it's that pressure in torso box trunk
Speaker 2: up with obviously the lumber spine that spinal erectors, but
Speaker 2: the intra abdominal pressure is so big that's what we do.
Speaker 2: But we don't realize it now me back as a
Speaker 2: personal trainer. Oh, it's distinctly remembered tea teaching the squat, right,
Speaker 2: this is it's not funny, but it was so wrong
Speaker 2: when I look back to it. It's not funny, but
Speaker 2: it just wasn't what I thought I was doing. So
Speaker 2: someone you're teach him how to squat rite chest out,
Speaker 2: shoulders back, you know, chest out. I used to say
Speaker 2: chest out, bum out, comming in, chest out, bumm out, tummy,
Speaker 2: and that was Ouzzie Jeff. I still remember it. Chest out,
Speaker 2: bumming out coming in my flip and tummy is not
Speaker 2: in when I'm doing a heavy squad, like my guts
Speaker 2: press out. I'm not not. You get under any proper weight,
Speaker 2: you are not sucking your navel in. You do, you'll
Speaker 2: absolutely you'll be straight to the hospital. But we don't.
Speaker 2: For whatever reason, we don't. We don't. We didn't realize that,
Speaker 2: Like you might be about to squat. Tommy's in here
Speaker 2: sort of prepping to do it. As soon as you
Speaker 2: take the weight off the rack, the guts are pressed
Speaker 2: out and the core is rock solid, like someone could
Speaker 2: punch you in the guts. It it's like you're bracing
Speaker 2: for a stomach punch. That's how your squat. Your navel's
Speaker 2: not drawn in. But yet, for whatever reason, that was
Speaker 2: what we sort of told people, and those that are
Speaker 2: like I don't understand. Well, now bloody well know why
Speaker 2: because I was never doing that. I might have just
Speaker 2: been doing it esthetically prior to because once there's a weight,
Speaker 2: we have to do that.
Speaker 1: Mm well, think about the biggest squatters in the world.
Speaker 1: They all have those. Firstly, they have those big fat
Speaker 1: white belts. Yeah, their gut is literally pushed against that. Yeah. Mate,
Speaker 1: we're going to wind up. But I'm looking at your
Speaker 1: Instagram right now. You've got zero followers and you don't
Speaker 1: even follow me. That's very hurtful. So you better jump
Speaker 1: on have.
Speaker 3: One next time, Greg Anthony Hamper.
Speaker 1: Next time you'll have one, Hey, buddy, Speaking of Instagram,
Speaker 1: So Jeff's Insta is just ge f F Jeff Jowett
Speaker 1: all one word, two teas on jouet Jeff Jowett. You
Speaker 1: can follow him on install Where else can people connect
Speaker 1: with you?
Speaker 2: Grace, that'd be it harps. I keep it real simple,
Speaker 2: ha ha.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if people want to message you know, I
Speaker 1: know you're a fucking hermit and you hate people, which getting.
Speaker 2: Out there made I'm really introducing myself to sort of society.
Speaker 2: And I'm out there at the gym and I'm getting
Speaker 2: out and about and go for this and that. So
Speaker 2: I wouldn't call myself a social butterfly opening of an
Speaker 2: envelope like I was back in the day when you
Speaker 2: came down to visit at Body trim mate. But I'm
Speaker 2: crawling out of the cave and you know, reassimilating. It's good.
Speaker 1: I remember you'd taken me out for lunch with I
Speaker 1: think two other blokes that I didn't know, and this
Speaker 1: would have been fifteen years ago, and I was, you know,
Speaker 1: full eating disorder mode. I think I had two lettuce
Speaker 1: leaves and a third of a chicken breast and three
Speaker 1: cups of air and you and your mates had million dollars.
Speaker 2: A line and about Bloody the slow cook lambs at
Speaker 2: the Athenian Greek restaurant there on Barricks Street.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, correct, And I'm pretty sure lunch was too grand.
Speaker 1: And I like, who is this person? What is this
Speaker 1: You are such a different person to that person.
Speaker 2: But I think that that's a big part of like
Speaker 2: It wasn't like I poked around it that life like
Speaker 2: I you know, I did it and it was wonderful,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's sort of like it's an adventure
Speaker 2: life and like you know, so I don't. They were
Speaker 2: great times and all the great meals and whatnot, but
Speaker 2: like you know, at this point in my life, I'm
Speaker 2: just's nice to keep it simple. But yeah, times change
Speaker 2: and what have you.
Speaker 1: Well, mate, I appreciate you. It's good to catch up.
Speaker 1: We'll say goodbye affair, but for the minute, Thanks again, buddy.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Always a pleasure, never a chore for you. Harps