WEBVTT - Sharri | 24 October

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<v Speaker 1>Why on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Sharry Good Evening.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the show where we've got huge guests on

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<v Speaker 3>the program. Tonight, Donald Trump's former attorney general will join

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<v Speaker 3>me live for an exclusive interview. This as Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 3>accuses Trump of fascism while struggling to answer questions at

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<v Speaker 3>a town hall. Also tonight, former British Commander Richard Kemp

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<v Speaker 3>is on the show. He's flawed by our revelations that

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<v Speaker 3>the SBS censored his interview, removing it from their platforms,

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<v Speaker 3>or because he dared to support Israel. So that exclusive

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<v Speaker 3>interview with Richard Kemp coming up in just a moment

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<v Speaker 3>live and a high profile restaurant her pleads guilty today

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<v Speaker 3>in court to holding a Nazi symbol his wife, issuing

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<v Speaker 3>a desperate plea to customers who've turned their back on

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<v Speaker 3>the Nomad group. More on what unfolded a bit later,

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<v Speaker 3>but first tonight, Darton has called on the Corruption Commission

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<v Speaker 3>to investigate whether there was any political interference from the

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<v Speaker 3>Albanesi government in stripping.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Bizzullo's Order of Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Pizzulo was the tough Secretary of the Home Affairs Department

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<v Speaker 3>when he was sacked by Anthony Alberzi for engaging in

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<v Speaker 3>political gossip with a liberal lobbyist friend of Scott Morrison's.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no corruption, no criminality involved. Peter Dutton today

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<v Speaker 3>called this a vindictive move. He claimed the government was

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<v Speaker 3>trying to seek retribution against Buzzullo and he says the

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<v Speaker 3>Corruption Agency should now investigate here he was on Ray Hadley.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a clear demonstration of political interference in the process.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually think it's a matter for the Integrity Commission

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<v Speaker 4>to investigate because there is no conviction against mister Bizzullo.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no impropriety alleged against him that would warrant the

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<v Speaker 4>stripping of this honor, and it is nothing more than

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<v Speaker 4>the government trying to seek retribution against him. They passed

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<v Speaker 4>a retrospective law to take part of his salary away

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<v Speaker 4>or his payout, which was done to apply to him only.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'd never seen anything like that before and I

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<v Speaker 4>haven't seen anything like the stripping of this award.

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<v Speaker 3>And Peter Darton said the Albanezy government ministers need to

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<v Speaker 3>disclose whether they were involved in removing Pazzullo's honor because

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<v Speaker 3>the whole process is meant to be independent.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure that Katie Gallaha and others frankly need to

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<v Speaker 4>disclose what sort of instruction they've given to the committee

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<v Speaker 4>and what their expectation has been, because it's not the

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<v Speaker 4>fair process and in the end it should be and

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<v Speaker 4>it should be impartial and independent, and it's been anything.

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<v Speaker 4>But if the Prime Minister believes that he can justify this,

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<v Speaker 4>he should be talking about why, because I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>a matter of frankly, the government should refer to Integrity

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<v Speaker 4>Commission because there clearly has been in appearance in what

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<v Speaker 4>is supposed to be an independent process.

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<v Speaker 3>I first broke the story back in March that Mike

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<v Speaker 3>Pezzulo was set to be stripped of his Order of Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>I could hardly believe it at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so petty, so political, so typical of the

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<v Speaker 3>characters of some of the ministers in this Albanese government.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're just breaking the.

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<v Speaker 3>News now that there are plans to strip Mike Bizzullo

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<v Speaker 3>of his AO despite no corruption or criminality.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a very rare move.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Pezzulo has given a lifetime of service to Australia,

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<v Speaker 3>including stopping the boats strengthening the borders. But now because

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<v Speaker 3>of his gossipy text messages with a lobbyist, he's facing

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<v Speaker 3>having his order stripped. And now around seven months later,

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<v Speaker 3>the order has officially been removed. Pazzulo was made an

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<v Speaker 3>Officer of the Order of Australia in the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>Queen's Birthday Honors for distinguished services to public administration through

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<v Speaker 3>leadership roles in the areas of national security, border control

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<v Speaker 3>and immigration.

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<v Speaker 2>Given for a lifetime of work, and that.

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<v Speaker 3>Body of work can't be extinguished because of some text messages.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing criminal, nothing actually wrong, just a breach of the

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<v Speaker 3>Public Service Code, according to one interpretation. As Ray Hadley

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<v Speaker 3>pointed out today, there are many people who have fallen

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<v Speaker 3>foul of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Law yet still hold their honors.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I'll give you one prime example. There's a TV

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<v Speaker 5>or former TV personality in New South Wales, Andrew Keith,

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<v Speaker 5>who's had numerous convictions for violence involving violence against women,

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<v Speaker 5>and he still enjoys being a member of the Order

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<v Speaker 5>of Australia. And I mean and this has been going

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<v Speaker 5>on not just for months, but for years, and there's

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<v Speaker 5>been no investor. Well, they say there's an investigation now,

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<v Speaker 5>but they did this very quickly with Mike Bozzullo. They

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<v Speaker 5>haven't been quite as quick with someone who'd been before

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<v Speaker 5>the course and convicted on the news occasions.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Bazzullo was apolitical.

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<v Speaker 3>He's worked for both sides of politics. He was responsible

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<v Speaker 3>for setting up the Home Affairs Superministry that has now

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<v Speaker 3>been all but undone by the Albanezi government, and he

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<v Speaker 3>also played a major role in stopping the boats also

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<v Speaker 3>in Operation Sovereign Borders. Tony Abbott backed Puzzullo in and

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<v Speaker 3>he told me when I first broke this story that

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<v Speaker 3>of all the senior border protection officials from September twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 3>he was the one above all who was convinced that

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<v Speaker 3>the boats both could and should be stopped. In my view,

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<v Speaker 3>his departure from public service is a serious loss to

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<v Speaker 3>our country and from a Prime minister. Scott Morrison also

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<v Speaker 3>backed in Puzzulo, telling me at the time that no

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<v Speaker 3>one was more deserving of recognition in our honor system

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<v Speaker 3>as a public servant than Mike. He's a big loss

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<v Speaker 3>to the Australian public service. He was an important internal

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<v Speaker 3>voice to governments of both political persuasions on protecting Australia's

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<v Speaker 3>national security. So this is an official that both Tony

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<v Speaker 3>Abbott and Scott Morrison say should be honored.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet look at how Albanezi treated him.

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<v Speaker 3>The Prime Minister sacked Pezzulo in late November after a

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<v Speaker 3>review found that his text messages with Liberal powerbroker Scott

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<v Speaker 3>Briggs breached the Public Service Code through using his position

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<v Speaker 3>to gain a benefit for himself for failing to be

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<v Speaker 3>a political and engaging in disrespectful critiques of ministers. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>the personal benefit was supposedly having a personal communicationation channel

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<v Speaker 3>with senior leadership that was said not to be available

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<v Speaker 3>to other secretaries. But as I've said before, this finding

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<v Speaker 3>could only be made if the messages of the other

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<v Speaker 3>departmental secretaries were checked, because some we know are long

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<v Speaker 3>term friends with ministers, lobbyists and powerbrokers. But it was

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<v Speaker 3>also a fastical finding because Puzzulo already had direct contact

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<v Speaker 3>with Turnbull and Morrison, he didn't need the back channel,

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<v Speaker 3>so there was no personal benefit here at all. Peter

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<v Speaker 3>Dutton has in the past spoken about how puzzullo sacking

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<v Speaker 3>by alban EASi was highly political.

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<v Speaker 4>Clara Kneels at war with her secretary at the moment

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<v Speaker 4>you said the review that she just commissioned to try

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<v Speaker 4>and white an like Bazzulla, the secretary of her Home

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<v Speaker 4>Affairs Department.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think there's any question that it's political. Mean

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<v Speaker 6>An important point here is that there's obviously a huge

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<v Speaker 6>battle going on at the moment between the Home Affairs

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<v Speaker 6>Minister Clara O'Neill and the secretary of the her department,

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<v Speaker 6>Mike Bazzilla, who was a secretary when I was at

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<v Speaker 6>the department. He's a first class public servant and I

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<v Speaker 6>was very well served by him and by the public

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<v Speaker 6>servants within the Department of Home Affairs.

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<v Speaker 3>This all matters because Pazzulo was at the helm of

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<v Speaker 3>the Home Affairs Department keeping us all safe. Our national

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<v Speaker 3>security is at stake, and now Tony Burke heads up

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<v Speaker 3>this ministry which has overseen the fast tracking of visas

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<v Speaker 3>from Gaza. If there has been political interference to deliberately

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<v Speaker 3>harm a long serving and distinguished public servant, then Duvn's

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<v Speaker 3>right the Corruption Commission should investigate. This government promised transparency, Albanezi,

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<v Speaker 3>promised to do politics differently, but in the end we've

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<v Speaker 3>seen a new low of mean spirited politics, malice and retribution. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>Richard Camp will join me live in a moment on

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<v Speaker 3>that major story that the SPS pulled his interview because

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<v Speaker 3>he was too supportive of Israel. But right now let's

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<v Speaker 3>bring in commentator Jason Morrison and perth Mere Basil zemplist.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you both very much for your time. Now I

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<v Speaker 3>want to get your feedback on what I've just been

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<v Speaker 3>speaking about Peter Dutton saying that there should be a

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<v Speaker 3>corruption inquiry into why Mike Bozullo's Order.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Australia was stripped. What do you think, Jason, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot.

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<v Speaker 7>Of transparency about it, so that's probably a good starting point.

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<v Speaker 7>The malice in all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is so obvious.

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<v Speaker 8>It's so obvious.

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<v Speaker 7>Why of all the people in the Hadley example of

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<v Speaker 7>Andrew o'keith is a perfect example. There is a list

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<v Speaker 7>of people who deserve these awards because of things they

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<v Speaker 7>have done posts the awards being issued, and they pick

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<v Speaker 7>on this guy why because he's got some kind link

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<v Speaker 7>across the room. It's malicious, it's grubby and yeah, the

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<v Speaker 7>big C word is part of it and it should

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<v Speaker 7>be investigated. We know what that one is.

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<v Speaker 3>Basil Order of Australia Awards and others like it have

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<v Speaker 3>been stripped more than forty times in the past, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's usually from pedophiles after people have had criminal convictions,

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<v Speaker 3>not from someone who may or may not have breached

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<v Speaker 3>the Public Service Code.

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<v Speaker 9>There doesn't seem to be the compelling evidence to rip

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<v Speaker 9>it off him in this instance, that's for sure. There's

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<v Speaker 9>not the transparency, as Jason just said, and it does

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<v Speaker 9>wreak of a politicization of the Australian awards system, and

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<v Speaker 9>that's not what it's there for.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what it's about.

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<v Speaker 9>It's not supposed to be political in any way, shape

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<v Speaker 9>or form. And I reckon there's a lot of Australian

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<v Speaker 9>so that thought it might be one of the few

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<v Speaker 9>things that still remains a political but not anymore. If

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<v Speaker 9>this is the treatment that somebody who appears to have

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<v Speaker 9>deserved that award one at fair and square and now

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<v Speaker 9>had it stripped off him, it just doesn't seem right.

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<v Speaker 9>There's not enough evidence. It needs to be more transparent.

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<v Speaker 9>We need to see the reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to get the paper trail as well.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to see whether there were any ministers who

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<v Speaker 3>did make representations or have involvement ahead of that shocking decision.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's turn to the US now, where Kamala Harris has

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<v Speaker 3>called Trump a fascist. She also appeared at a town

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<v Speaker 3>hall today with Addison Cooper on CNN.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a look.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, I do believe that Donald Trump is unstable, increasingly unstable,

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<v Speaker 8>and unfit to serve.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes?

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<v Speaker 8>I do, Yes, I do. He admires dictators, sending love

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<v Speaker 8>letters back and forth with Kim Jong un.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, the only problem with this argument is that Trump

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<v Speaker 3>has already been president and he wasn't a fascist while

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<v Speaker 3>he was in office. You might not have liked everything

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<v Speaker 3>he did, but he wasn't a fascist.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Stretching it, taking it just a bit too far? When

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<v Speaker 3>the Democrats, and you know, Kamala Harris, who's running to

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<v Speaker 3>be president, accuses him of fascism, it's pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>She's lucky.

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<v Speaker 7>That's the headline that came out of an interview I

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<v Speaker 7>watched it. Unfortunately, it was tragic when even Anderson Cooper,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, a copper for the far left in America,

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<v Speaker 7>is out there correcting her and pulling her up and

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<v Speaker 7>stopping her and reminding her she's been the vice president

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<v Speaker 7>through all this time. She's saying she could have done

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<v Speaker 7>they should have done better. That's the headline of this.

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<v Speaker 7>CNN is being very very generous with the fascism thing,

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<v Speaker 7>which is just I mean, it's trivial political point scoring,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, anything with an ist at the end of

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<v Speaker 7>it at this time at the election campaign is just

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<v Speaker 7>muth flinging. You're right, your spot on. People know what

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<v Speaker 7>Trump is, even if they don't like him, they know

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<v Speaker 7>what they're going to get because they've seen it before.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's her problem because they've seen her before too,

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<v Speaker 7>and she's underwhelming.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a good point you made though that

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<v Speaker 3>in saying that in greed agreeing or saying that it

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<v Speaker 3>is a fascist again, that is now the headline out

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<v Speaker 3>of that interview, rather than all of the other weak

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<v Speaker 3>answers that she gave. We are going to come back

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<v Speaker 3>to those answers because I've got Trump's former acting Attorney

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<v Speaker 3>general on the show later this hour. But Basil, there

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<v Speaker 3>has been criticism that, given Trump has already faced two

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<v Speaker 3>potentially three assassination attempts on his life, that by calling

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<v Speaker 3>him a fascist, by claiming that he likes Hitler, This

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<v Speaker 3>dangerous language could once again incite violence against him.

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<v Speaker 9>What do you think of that argument, Well, that's possible,

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<v Speaker 9>and a case could be made for that argument. I

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<v Speaker 9>think what it really reaks off, though, is desperation here

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<v Speaker 9>from Kamala Harris trying to reverse the trend that's sliding

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<v Speaker 9>away from her and towards Trump. This is his third

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<v Speaker 9>time around the block in terms of a presidential campaign,

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<v Speaker 9>and it's at the eleventh hour of the third occasion

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<v Speaker 9>when he stood before the American people and asked for

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<v Speaker 9>them to consider him to be their president of the

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<v Speaker 9>United States. It doesn't matter that they call him a

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<v Speaker 9>fascist or any of the other stuff. They've already judged

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<v Speaker 9>him on all of those things. It's not about Trump

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<v Speaker 9>and what people think of him. It's really about what

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<v Speaker 9>they think of Harris. And I don't think she's done

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<v Speaker 9>enough to give anybody enough confidence that she's a leader

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<v Speaker 9>of substance in waiting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there was a good line actually in an article

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<v Speaker 3>in the Sydney Morning Herald. I read earlier that effectively

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<v Speaker 3>Trump has been running for office for nine years, Kamala

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<v Speaker 3>Harris just for one hundred days. So he's a very

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<v Speaker 3>well known quantity to everyone around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>They know what they're getting. But Kamala, there are still there's.

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<v Speaker 3>Still concerns, they're still uncertainty about what she actually stands

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<v Speaker 3>for and what she do in office. As I said,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to come back to this later this hour

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<v Speaker 3>with trump'sformer attorney general. Let's have a look now though

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<v Speaker 3>at this debate over Lydia Thorpe's eligibility to sit in

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<v Speaker 3>the Senate.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know by now, footage.

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<v Speaker 3>Has emerged where she has previously said that she deliberately

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<v Speaker 3>mispronounced the word heirs, as has in her parliamentary oath.

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<v Speaker 3>If you've missed it, this was the moment back in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 10>True allegiance to her Majesty Queen Elizabeth for second, her

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<v Speaker 10>hairs and successes according to law.

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<v Speaker 3>And then in subsequent interviews she said she deliberately said

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<v Speaker 3>hair so that when the Queen passed away there would

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<v Speaker 3>be no allegiance.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is childish, juvenile, natty stuff. Her own words.

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<v Speaker 3>Today, though in an interview with Laura Jay's she backed

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<v Speaker 3>down from that argument to have.

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<v Speaker 10>A look now, forgive me for not being you know,

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<v Speaker 10>my English grammar isn't as good as others. And I

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<v Speaker 10>spoke what I read, so I misspoke. And to have

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<v Speaker 10>this country questioned or particularly you know, people like Dutton

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<v Speaker 10>and other senators from his party, for them to question

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<v Speaker 10>my legitimacy in this job is an insult and they

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<v Speaker 10>can't get rid of me.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Jason, it was Lydia who said originally that

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<v Speaker 3>she deliberately mispronounced the word It wasn't done it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, there's a good reason in the House the last

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<v Speaker 7>seventy two hours reflected why they nickname her Lydiat because

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<v Speaker 7>she behaves like it. Look, she put actually she put

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<v Speaker 7>her fist up, didn't she, And she you know, uttered

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<v Speaker 7>the words required under section forty two of the Constitution,

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<v Speaker 7>and then she signed a document which reaffirmed her and

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<v Speaker 7>then she took the pay under section forty two. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>everything she has done has ticked every box. I'm not

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<v Speaker 7>shocked she doesn't agree with what's on the bit of

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<v Speaker 7>paper or the affirmation. I mean a third of the

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<v Speaker 7>Parliament don't even with why they swear an allegiance to it.

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<v Speaker 7>But it's because they're ignoramisis it's because they don't know

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<v Speaker 7>what they're actually about, and they don't really understand. The

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<v Speaker 7>nine eighty six we passed a law in the Australian

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<v Speaker 7>Parliament which made it all all this crown business all

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<v Speaker 7>about Australia, the Australia Act. And in nine to eighty

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<v Speaker 7>six and the haw government, it became very very clear

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<v Speaker 7>to absolutely everyone that the king is a symbol or

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<v Speaker 7>the crown is a symbol of it.

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<v Speaker 11>But you are.

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<v Speaker 7>Swearing an allegiance to Australia.

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<v Speaker 11>And its people.

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<v Speaker 7>And if she doesn't get that, I put it politely

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<v Speaker 7>to say, she's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite right, basil. What do you think.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think there's an argument she might be ineligible?

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<v Speaker 3>Or is this just a waste of everyone's time or

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps wishful thinking?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely idiotic.

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<v Speaker 9>It is a waste of everybody's time, and it is

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<v Speaker 9>a waste of everybody's time that she prompted actually by

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<v Speaker 9>highlighting it to everybody, trying to say, well, I never

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<v Speaker 9>took that oath of allegiance because I misspoke, then suddenly

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<v Speaker 9>realizing hang on, that couldn't cost the quarter of a

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<v Speaker 9>million dollars that I'm earning at the moment, so I

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<v Speaker 9>better backflip away from that one they can't get rid

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<v Speaker 9>of me. I misspoke. I didn't deliberately say it, but

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<v Speaker 9>actually in those two statements that she's made within about

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<v Speaker 9>twenty four forty eight hours, it just highlights the ridiculous

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<v Speaker 9>nature of her approach, the contempt with which she treats

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<v Speaker 9>the Australian Parliament, and quite frankly, I'm not sure who

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<v Speaker 9>she is representative of. She's got three and a half

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<v Speaker 9>years to go, can't come quickly enough.

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<v Speaker 7>Just never forget though she was the deputy Leader of

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<v Speaker 7>the Greens and all those nutbags in.

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<v Speaker 2>There voted for her to be the deputy.

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<v Speaker 7>Leader of the Greens. How do all unbelievable?

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<v Speaker 3>These characters who you know, I mean, the people representing

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<v Speaker 3>Australians in the Senate and in the Parliament should be

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<v Speaker 3>the cream of the crop, should be the smartest people

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<v Speaker 3>in this country. Yep. Show from diverse backgrounds, but they

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<v Speaker 3>should be smart and we just don't see that Jason

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<v Speaker 3>Deputy Leader.

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<v Speaker 7>It's just unbelievable. Look, she's getting what she wants though.

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<v Speaker 7>The tragedy here is she's getting a lot of publicity.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, before we go, just a final quick topic.

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<v Speaker 3>The Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke. It's been revealed front

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<v Speaker 3>page or at least in the Daily Telegraph today. He's

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<v Speaker 3>one of a number of labor politicians who went on

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<v Speaker 3>a study tour to the Palestinian territories funded by an

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<v Speaker 3>anti Israel lobby group. APAN that's the Australian Palasine Advocacy

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<v Speaker 3>Network has accused Israel of genocide. It was a posed

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<v Speaker 3>to her Musk being categorized as a terror organization. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's just the tip of the iceberg. I don't have

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<v Speaker 3>time to show you all the offensive remarks that its

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<v Speaker 3>leadership have made Basil. It also looks like some of

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<v Speaker 3>the labor funds went into this trip as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a good look for Tony Burke.

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<v Speaker 9>No, not a good look.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's pretty straightforward, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 9>If you're not anti Israel, you're not taking trips paid

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<v Speaker 9>for by a group which effectively is AINTI ISRAELI.

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<v Speaker 1>It's as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 9>So it's time that a number of the members of

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<v Speaker 9>the Labor government came clean on where they really stand

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<v Speaker 9>on this issue. It's not simple, we know that, but

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<v Speaker 9>we do understand that what happened over twelve months ago

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<v Speaker 9>was the worst loss of life for Jewish people since

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<v Speaker 9>the Holocaust, and there are still a great number of

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<v Speaker 9>hostages being held. We'll released those hostages. Let's move on,

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<v Speaker 9>and let's hear the labor government call for that.

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<v Speaker 7>And they've got their money's worth in they out of

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<v Speaker 7>the trip, cost them a few airfares. And look what

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<v Speaker 7>Tony Burk's done for the cause.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey Eiggs now the Home Affairs minister. And yet they

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<v Speaker 3>sacked Mike Bazulo as secretary. Just appalling, all right, Jason Morrison,

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<v Speaker 3>bazle zemplist, thank you both very much. Say now to

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<v Speaker 3>more on my investigation into the shocking censorship of pro

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<v Speaker 3>Jewish and Israel content at SPS. The taxpayer funded broadcaster

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<v Speaker 3>refused to publish, or remove from online or edit it

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<v Speaker 3>interviews that they thought were too supportive of Israel. One

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<v Speaker 3>was with a family member of the current hostage being

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<v Speaker 3>held in Gaza. That interview was completed, but it never

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<v Speaker 3>went to air.

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<v Speaker 2>It is beyond shocking.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine silencing the family member of a current hostage, and

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<v Speaker 3>that family member, by the way, is going to come

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<v Speaker 3>on my show on Monday night and speak about this.

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<v Speaker 3>There needs to be a federal government investigation into what

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<v Speaker 3>has gone on here? In another example, an internationally renowned

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<v Speaker 3>activist fighting antisemitism, she had her interview edited, then another

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<v Speaker 3>interview with Richard Kemp.

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<v Speaker 2>It was initially.

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<v Speaker 3>Broadcast on SBS radio, then it was deleted completely from

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<v Speaker 3>all SBS platforms just a few hours later. And he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to join me live right now. The Jewish journalist

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<v Speaker 3>who did those interviews I meet.

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<v Speaker 2>Rehak is now seeking legal advice. But it shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>up to him. It needs to be up to.

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<v Speaker 3>All of us to hold this taxpayer funded broadcaster to account. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 3>Israel has uncovered evidence that six Al Jazeera journalists are

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<v Speaker 3>terrorist operatives from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic g Had. One

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<v Speaker 3>of the journalists is said to have served as the

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<v Speaker 3>head of a rocket launching squad.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, listen to that.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the Al Jazeera journalists served as the head

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<v Speaker 3>of a rocket launching squad. Another was said to be

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<v Speaker 3>the deputy of a propaganda unit in Islamic g Had.

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<v Speaker 3>One was a sniper, another was a training company commander

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<v Speaker 3>who was then wounded in an Israeli air strike. These

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<v Speaker 3>terrorists weren't bringing you the news, they were bringing you propaganda.

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<v Speaker 3>Straight from terror organizations, Yet the mainstream media lapped it

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<v Speaker 3>up because they were hungry to accuse Israel of war

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<v Speaker 3>crimes and when Israel has killed terrorists, media outlets have

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<v Speaker 3>complained that journalists.

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<v Speaker 2>Were being targeted.

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<v Speaker 3>I asked Esper today whether they would now be cutting

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<v Speaker 3>ties with our Jazeira no response.

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<v Speaker 2>To these questions or to discuss all of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's bring in now live from Israel. Retired British commander

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<v Speaker 3>Richard Kemp, Colonel, thank you very much for joining me

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<v Speaker 3>now you've led British forces into a raq in Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 3>Your views, anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Would argue, deserve to be hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>What is your reaction to my revelation that the SBS

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<v Speaker 3>deleted an interview with you because you were too supportive

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<v Speaker 3>of Israel.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, unfortunately, it's the reality of so many large scale

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<v Speaker 11>and influential broadcasts and other media outs as well that

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<v Speaker 11>they want to bias their output against Israel. It's not

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<v Speaker 11>a question of just deleting people who are speaking in

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<v Speaker 11>support of Israel or in support of the truth and reality,

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<v Speaker 11>but also they want their primary emphasis is on anti

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<v Speaker 11>Israel bias, and people like Gues, SBS, the BBC over

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<v Speaker 11>here in the UK and other broadcasting organizations, they basically

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<v Speaker 11>fuel her mass, They encourage he mass, they give strength

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<v Speaker 11>to her mass, they prolong the conflict. And it's all

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<v Speaker 11>by supporting her massa's narrative, whether wittingly or unwittingly, that's

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<v Speaker 11>what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's the same with people.

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<v Speaker 11>Organizations like the United Nations and the International Court of Justice,

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<v Speaker 11>the International Criminal Court, they're all strengthening her mass.

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<v Speaker 1>They might as well be.

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<v Speaker 11>Part of the mass with the bias that they show

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<v Speaker 11>towards har Mass and against Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand a scenario where, say, you know, Vladimir Putin

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<v Speaker 3>was being interviewed, and so the interview was required to

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<v Speaker 3>ask very tough questions. But Israel is an ally of Australia,

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<v Speaker 3>of America, of the United States. So can you understand this, SAI,

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<v Speaker 3>where you, as a farm a British commander, a distinguished

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<v Speaker 3>war veteran, where you're not allowed to express your viewpoint

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<v Speaker 3>on a public broadcaster in Australia because you were too

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<v Speaker 3>supportive of one of our allies.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I can understand it. I disagree with it, of course,

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<v Speaker 11>but I was actually asked some quite tough questions during

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<v Speaker 11>the SBS interview, and quite rightly too, that they're entitled

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<v Speaker 11>and they should probe people views, whoever, whatever their background,

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<v Speaker 11>whoever they are. But if they want, if they do

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<v Speaker 11>want to have if they do want their listeners to

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<v Speaker 11>have a balanced perspective of Israel and of the conflict

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<v Speaker 11>there and of the different mechanics there, then they need

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<v Speaker 11>to include people like me. And you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 11>demand a right to be to have a platform. They

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<v Speaker 11>invited me to be interviewed in the first place. I

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<v Speaker 11>didn't ask for it. But I've got objective experience. I'm

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<v Speaker 11>not Israeli, I'm not Jewish. I have a great deal

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<v Speaker 11>of experience of armed conflict around the world. I've been

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<v Speaker 11>in Israel for most of the last year, into Gaza

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<v Speaker 11>with the idea if I've seen the reality of what's happening.

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<v Speaker 11>I've studied her massing great depth, and I think my perspective,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, with modesty, I think my perspective is probably

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<v Speaker 11>worth hearing, which I assume is the reason they asked

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<v Speaker 11>for me to join in the first place, although they

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<v Speaker 11>obviously didn't like what they heard.

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<v Speaker 3>A very good point an apologies, I thought you were

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<v Speaker 3>still in Israel because when I was there a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of weeks ago, I interviewed you on the ground, but

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<v Speaker 3>you're now back in London.

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<v Speaker 2>Just before we move on to other.

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<v Speaker 3>Topics, Given SBS is a publicly funded broadcaster, do you

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<v Speaker 3>think there should be an investigation into the extent of

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<v Speaker 3>this censorship of pro Israel vices.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I do. I think if if any organization, any

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<v Speaker 11>media organization, is funded by taxpayers money, the taxpayer should

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<v Speaker 11>have an objective or the media organization should be speaking objectively.

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<v Speaker 11>They shouldn't be censoring people who just don't happen to

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<v Speaker 11>suit their their private agenda. The same applies, as I

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<v Speaker 11>mentioned to organizations like the BBC. There will been numerous

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<v Speaker 11>investigations into the BBC finding horrific, horrific anti Israel bias

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<v Speaker 11>over many years, and what's the result. Zero as investigations.

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<v Speaker 11>There's not public or formal investigations yet. There should be,

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<v Speaker 11>but all of the investigators this bias and the BBC

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<v Speaker 11>simply brushes aside.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure FBS will do the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to ask you about this FBI investigation into

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<v Speaker 3>the leaking of at least two classified documents to social media.

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<v Speaker 3>This detailed Israel's preparations for a potential strike on Iran

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<v Speaker 3>in retaliation for the ballistic missiles a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe three weeks ago. Now, Richard, how concerning is this

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<v Speaker 3>leak of classified material? It looks we don't know for certain,

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<v Speaker 3>it looks like it has come from the US end.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I think it's deeply concerning, and it does show

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<v Speaker 11>I think it was either a desire among certain individuals

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<v Speaker 11>within the within the US government organizations to do damage

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<v Speaker 11>to Israel, either that or gross misjudgment about what is

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<v Speaker 11>the right thing in relation to trying to trying to

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<v Speaker 11>as they continually discuss it, de escalate the situation. But

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<v Speaker 11>it goes beyond that kind of misjudgment and the direct

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<v Speaker 11>damage of this leak, which is certainly going to be

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<v Speaker 11>damaging Israel, provides a huge amount of intelligence to the

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<v Speaker 11>United States, as it does to Australia and the UK

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<v Speaker 11>and other countries in relation to threats to our countries.

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<v Speaker 11>And you know, when I was in Australia a few

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<v Speaker 11>years back, it came to light that there was a

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<v Speaker 11>terrorist plan and al Qaeda plan, I think, to hijack

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<v Speaker 11>an aircraft from Sydney Airport. And crash it, and that

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<v Speaker 11>was stopped by Israeli intelligence.

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<v Speaker 4>So if.

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<v Speaker 11>There's damage to the intelligence relationship through leakage, then of

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<v Speaker 11>course that puts in jeopardy the continued flow of intelligence

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<v Speaker 11>from Israel. I don't think actually Israel would ever, no

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<v Speaker 11>matter what any country does to it, would ever deny intelligence,

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<v Speaker 11>life saving intelligence to any country.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's potentially very damaging.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, we have been expecting Israel to retaliate against those

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<v Speaker 3>Iranian strikes for a couple of weeks now it still

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<v Speaker 3>hasn't happened. Is your sense that Israel was waiting for

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<v Speaker 3>this US THAD missile defense system to be up and

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<v Speaker 3>running or do you think there's a possibility And I

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<v Speaker 3>think it was that they were waiting for the THAD

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<v Speaker 3>Missile defense system to be up and running before they

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<v Speaker 3>launched an attack on Iran. But do you think there

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<v Speaker 3>is a possibility that they could be waiting until after

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<v Speaker 3>the US election.

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<v Speaker 11>I think all of those things and other factors come

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<v Speaker 11>into play here. And Prime Minister Netanya, who is the

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<v Speaker 11>person who will make the ultimate decision with the authority

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<v Speaker 11>of the Security Cabinet on exactly when and what actions

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<v Speaker 11>to take. I think Israel knows what it's going to do.

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<v Speaker 11>But all of these different factors, like making sure there

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<v Speaker 11>is enough defense in Israel against a potential large scale

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<v Speaker 11>Iranian retaliation does come into play, as of course does

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<v Speaker 11>the US election. And you know, Israel has been extremely

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<v Speaker 11>effective so far in this war to some extent that

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<v Speaker 11>is due to US support with weaponry, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>As well as defense systems, and of.

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<v Speaker 11>Course that it's therefore important that Israel doesn't do anything

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<v Speaker 11>to seriously undermine its relationship with the US, particularly at

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<v Speaker 11>this critical point before an election. I think they may

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<v Speaker 11>have greater freedom to act when they see the outcome

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<v Speaker 11>of the election, So potentially it'll be after that, but

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<v Speaker 11>I wouldn't nor would I discount it happening at any time.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, all these different there's so many different factors

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<v Speaker 11>involve which week about. But the Israeli Prime Minister does

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<v Speaker 11>and as far as I can see so far, he's

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<v Speaker 11>been calling all the right shots in this war.

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<v Speaker 2>YEP.

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<v Speaker 3>Couldn't agree with you more, all right, Colonel Richard Kemp,

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<v Speaker 3>really appreciate your time tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>After the break, China ramps up attacks on Australia with

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<v Speaker 3>accusations of hate crimes or how will the Prime Minister respond?

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<v Speaker 3>Plus the wife of Nomad restaurant ownA speaks out as

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<v Speaker 3>her husband face court today. We're also going to cover

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<v Speaker 3>those desperate accusations from the Democrats that Trump liked Hitler.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's former attorney general would join me a bit later

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<v Speaker 3>on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all coming up, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, China has hit out at the Albanezy government, accusing

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<v Speaker 3>it of systematic racism and hate crimes, seriously violating the

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<v Speaker 3>rights of refugees and immigrants and indigenous people with vulnerable

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<v Speaker 3>living conditions. This came after Australia is you and Envoy

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<v Speaker 3>cord on Beijing Beijing to do more about the massi

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<v Speaker 3>ab use of wigas in Shingiang and we've hardly heard

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<v Speaker 3>the actual ministers in the Albanezi government raised the issue

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<v Speaker 3>of the wigas in Shingxiang their entire time in office. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>the Prime Minister had this to say today.

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<v Speaker 12>We'll always stand up for Australia's interests and when it

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<v Speaker 12>comes to China, we've said we'll cooperate where we can,

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<v Speaker 12>we'll disagree where we must, and we'll engage in our

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<v Speaker 12>national interest. And we've raised issues of human rights with China.

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<v Speaker 12>We've done that in a consistent and clear way.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's bring in former Liberal Minister Gary Hargrave and

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<v Speaker 3>associate editor at The Australian Graham Lloyd.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to you both. Gary.

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<v Speaker 3>This is ering a rare criticism from China because the

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<v Speaker 3>Albanzi government has taken a very different approach from the

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<v Speaker 3>United States in the past two and a half years.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, but it's probably off the back of the Australian

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<v Speaker 13>government negotiating Pat Conroy's negotiation for seven billion dollars worth

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<v Speaker 13>of missiles. I mean, I think this is just their

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<v Speaker 13>little shot back at us, and it's just purely them

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<v Speaker 13>reminding us that they have the power to decide whether

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 13>they want our lobsters or our wine. So this could

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<v Speaker 13>be another set of problems that have just recently been

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<v Speaker 13>fixed on the trade front. Look, there's no doubt the

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<v Speaker 13>wig applight is awful and what has happened there is

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<v Speaker 13>genuinely dreadful and it's reasonable, as the Premister said, for

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<v Speaker 13>Australia to call it out. But I think this is

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<v Speaker 13>just this usual kind of diplomacy that China's decided, oh well,

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<v Speaker 13>you've gone and bought missiles.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be aimed at us.

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<v Speaker 13>Because no one knows really where the missiles are going.

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<v Speaker 13>We suspect aim towards China. So we'll just say, oh,

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<v Speaker 13>you're dreadful to indigenous Australians, so you've got human rights abuses.

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<v Speaker 13>Don't pick on us over the vegas. So look, I

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<v Speaker 13>think we just have to stand our ground. If we don't, Charie,

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<v Speaker 13>this is the problem with a lot of what we

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<v Speaker 13>do between Australia and China. If we actually fold because

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 13>they have a go at us, they'll have no respect

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 13>for us. We have to stand our ground on the

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<v Speaker 13>issues we know are important.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty simple, Graham.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think about the fact that people like

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<v Speaker 3>Foreign Minister Penny Wong, when she was in opposition, she

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<v Speaker 3>raised human rights issues often, very rarely does she raise

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<v Speaker 3>them now, despite pledging to do so when in opposition.

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<v Speaker 2>We have seen this very muted response.

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<v Speaker 3>Shod's good that our trade relationship is back on track

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<v Speaker 3>with China. But I mean, you see far more criticism

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 3>of our ally Israel than you do of the human

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<v Speaker 3>rights issues going on with the wigs here.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, yeah, that's right, Charri. And certainly all of the

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 14>actions of the Albanesi government have been geared towards trying

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:58.800
<v Speaker 14>to plicate China and get back sort of the crumbs

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<v Speaker 14>off the table that we're taking in a way. But

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<v Speaker 14>what would surprise a lot of people is China and

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<v Speaker 14>other groups in the United Nations they portray a picture

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 14>of Australia as a colonial country that treats its indigenous

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 14>community in a terrible fashion and sends its soldiers overseas

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:21.920
<v Speaker 14>to fight and indulge in all these awful war crimes.

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 14>And this is a narrative that's played out against us

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<v Speaker 14>routinely that we're probably unaware of. And as we have

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<v Speaker 14>discussions in the media here about all these issues to

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<v Speaker 14>do with war crimes and soldiers that is all harvested

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<v Speaker 14>and deployed against us in the international diplomacy. So really

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 14>there needs to be in across the board grown up

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 14>understanding of how this all plays out, and certainly we

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 14>must do everything to call out China for its human

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 14>rights abuses. And it's astonishing that they would really try

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<v Speaker 14>to mount the case that there's an equivalence with how

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<v Speaker 14>we behave both here and overseas.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, let's have a look at no mad because

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:06.800
<v Speaker 3>the now disgraced owner has pled guilty today in court

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 3>to displaying a Nazi swastika at a pro Palestinian rally

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<v Speaker 3>in Sydney. Our Yasbeck fronted Downing Center local court today.

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<v Speaker 15>Here's what happened an esteemed restaurateur whose success is owed

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<v Speaker 15>to good decision making. Whether this choice was regrettable is

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<v Speaker 15>a question only Alan Yasbik can answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Alan, do you regret your actions? Respectfully?

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<v Speaker 2>No comment, no comment?

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<v Speaker 15>The fifty six year old today pleading guilty.

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<v Speaker 3>Gary, his wife is imploring customers to return. She says

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<v Speaker 3>she's furious over her husband's actions and claims that he's

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<v Speaker 3>no longer involved in the management of the business. Do

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<v Speaker 3>you think this is going to win back any customers?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, I don't know, but I got to say I thought,

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<v Speaker 13>respectfully no comment is not the way to go. I

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:01.680
<v Speaker 13>think he needed to actually purge himself completely of the

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.839
<v Speaker 13>offensive nature of his decision making a week or three

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 13>or whatever it was ago. There is actually no place

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<v Speaker 13>at all for anybody who does these sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 13>The anti anti Semitism is just rife on our universities,

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<v Speaker 13>and we can't allow people, can't allow people in the

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:22.239
<v Speaker 13>business community to perpetuate that. You know, Shari, this is

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.799
<v Speaker 13>just not a good look. And if he loses his

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:28.760
<v Speaker 13>business over it, then his wife will know exactly why

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:32.280
<v Speaker 13>it happened. The bloke needed to actually apologize, He actually

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 13>needed to make it clear that he was angry at

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 13>himself because people are angry at him, and until he

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<v Speaker 13>actually man's up and, as I said, purges himself of

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 13>this offensive conduct. I don't know whether a lot of

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:45.799
<v Speaker 13>people are going to rush back there. I mean, I

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:48.399
<v Speaker 13>haven't been a Woolworth and spend any money since they

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.360
<v Speaker 13>turned their back on Australia Day. I'm not Jewish, but

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 13>I'm very supportive of what is happening in Israel and

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.359
<v Speaker 13>very very angry about what is being done to Jews

0:37:57.440 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 13>in general around the world. This bloke really should hang

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 13>his head in shame, and customers will vote with their wallet,

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<v Speaker 13>That's all I'll say.

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<v Speaker 2>And Graham, it wasn't a one off.

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<v Speaker 3>There have been reports in the newspapers that several years

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 3>ago he had water bomb balloons outside a synagogue, so

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 3>he's obviously a long term pattern of behavior here.

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<v Speaker 14>It's hard to understand, isn't it What goes on in

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 14>people's heads. But it's no surprise that his wife is

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 14>now traumatized that the state of affairs, he's blown the

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 14>family business up, and she's concerned about that, probably as

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 14>much as anything else. But you've got to have that

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 14>sneaking suspicion that she knew all along what he thought

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 14>about everything. It doesn't really ring true that this has

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:48.320
<v Speaker 14>all come as a bit of surprise, and it's very traumatic.

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<v Speaker 14>It certainly will be traumatic for the wallet and that's

0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:53.959
<v Speaker 14>perhaps how it should be right.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you both for your support on that one as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Gary Hargrave, Graham Lloyd.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to see you both. Now still to.

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<v Speaker 3>Come concerns over Kamala's performance Today at the CNN town Hall,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to speak with Trump's former acting Attorney general

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<v Speaker 3>shortly plus the fallout from the Energy regulator's damning admission

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<v Speaker 3>that Labour's renewable energy plans won't bring down power prices,

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<v Speaker 3>Cam Reddin will join me from Canberra next.

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<v Speaker 14>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>When Peter Dutton announced.

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<v Speaker 3>His plan for nuclear energy, the Albanzi government ordered a

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<v Speaker 3>snap inquiry designed to expose flaws in his vision, and

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<v Speaker 3>today was the start of the inquiry. We saw major agencies,

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<v Speaker 3>AEMO CSIRO and the Department give evidence. So just how

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<v Speaker 3>much damage did this achieve politically for Dutton? Well joining

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<v Speaker 3>me now is Sky News political reporter cam Reddin.

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<v Speaker 2>Cam So this inquiry.

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<v Speaker 3>Was basically a political hit by the government on Dutton's

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<v Speaker 3>nuclear energy proposal.

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<v Speaker 2>Did it achieve its purpose?

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<v Speaker 3>Whether were their concerns from the agencies today about the.

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<v Speaker 16>Plan that was certainly the design Shario, I think they've

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<v Speaker 16>caught a few blows, but perhaps not a knockout one.

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<v Speaker 16>And what we really learned today one of the key

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<v Speaker 16>takeouts from this nearly eight nine hours of inquiries here

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<v Speaker 16>in Canberra was that the main opponent, or the biggest

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<v Speaker 16>hurdle that the coalition might have to clear, isn't the

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<v Speaker 16>Labor Party. It might not even be skeptics of nuclear energy.

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<v Speaker 16>It's the bureaucracy and the red tape. The energy regulated

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<v Speaker 16>today as part of these hearings revealed that they think

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<v Speaker 16>even in a best case scenario, it could take between

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<v Speaker 16>eight and ten years to design all the rules and regulations,

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<v Speaker 16>the big system and network of red tape that would

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<v Speaker 16>underpin a nuclear energy industry just to get it off

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<v Speaker 16>the ground. So think about that eight to ten years

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<v Speaker 16>of writing the documents of rules, of regulations, of permits,

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<v Speaker 16>and all the different forms that need to be filled

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<v Speaker 16>out before a single brick could be laid down to

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<v Speaker 16>build the first reactor. Now we know under the coalition's plan,

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<v Speaker 16>they believe they can get nuclear into the energy grid

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<v Speaker 16>by twenty thirty five. That's when they think the first

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<v Speaker 16>one can be up and running. According to the regulator,

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<v Speaker 16>though they think they might not be able to even

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<v Speaker 16>get the red tape done by twenty thirty five. So

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<v Speaker 16>for all the hurdles that the coalition might need to

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<v Speaker 16>leap over in order to get nuclear power up and going, if,

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<v Speaker 16>of course, it wins the next election, one of the

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<v Speaker 16>biggest ones might be getting the bureaucracy to feed up.

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<v Speaker 16>They need to go pretty quick smart. If that's the

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<v Speaker 16>kind of hurdle they're facing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sounds like it. Cam. You've been on the ground

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<v Speaker 2>for the Queensland election.

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<v Speaker 3>What's your prediction for where things are headed on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 3>given the polls have been tightening this week.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, they always tend to tighten a few days out

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<v Speaker 16>from election day. Show it should be enough to still

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<v Speaker 16>see the Liberal National Party home everywhere I went for

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<v Speaker 16>the ten days or so I spent in Queensland and

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<v Speaker 16>we went up the north. I was following David chris

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<v Speaker 16>A fully around through Townsville, even out to long Reach

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<v Speaker 16>in the middle of back Queensland. There were two issues

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<v Speaker 16>I think that really cut through more than anything. One

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<v Speaker 16>was the issue of crime. You can see why the

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<v Speaker 16>LNP has made this the bedrock really of its campaign.

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<v Speaker 16>Almost everywhere we went, almost everyone had a story, whether

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<v Speaker 16>it was their own personal one, or someone they worked with,

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<v Speaker 16>someone they knew who'd had their castle and their business

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<v Speaker 16>broken into. It was just everywhere, and when that takes old,

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<v Speaker 16>it's hard for a government to hold on. The Other

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<v Speaker 16>one that I thought was quite surprising was the issue

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<v Speaker 16>of fifty cent fares. It is so universally popular everywhere

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<v Speaker 16>you go, so popular in fact, the l ANDP dropped

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<v Speaker 16>any opposition to it and said if we win, we

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<v Speaker 16>will keep fifty cent public transport fares around as well.

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<v Speaker 16>Even though Sharia voters are giving labor credits saying we

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<v Speaker 16>like the idea of cheap of public transport, I'm not

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<v Speaker 16>sure it's enough that they will vote for them too.

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<v Speaker 16>So the polls still have the l ANDP in front.

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<v Speaker 16>It may not be the smashing that some people are predicting,

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<v Speaker 16>but barring a last minute disaster, the LNP should cruise

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<v Speaker 16>to victory on Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's looking like a certainty that the next Premier

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<v Speaker 3>of Queensland will be David Chris if Wooley Cameron.

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<v Speaker 2>And thank you so much for that excellent analysis.

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<v Speaker 3>And after the break, the US election campaign takes another turn.

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<v Speaker 3>The jabs at Donald Trump coming thick and fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Now former US.

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<v Speaker 3>Acting Attorney General will join me to discuss Kamala's last

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<v Speaker 3>ditch effort to win over voters. Stay tuned, welcome back,

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<v Speaker 3>and let's bring in now Donald Trump's former acting US

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<v Speaker 3>Attorney General, Matthew Whittaker. Matthew, welcome back to the show. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>you're traveling around with Team Trump. You were in Pennsylvania today.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand what's the plan for the final countdown for

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<v Speaker 3>the Trump campaign.

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<v Speaker 17>Well, it's good to be with you again. And you

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<v Speaker 17>know what I can tell you is we are not

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<v Speaker 17>taking anything for granted and we're going to sprint through

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<v Speaker 17>the finish. Here we are on a bus tour across Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 17>Great crowds and really a lot of enthusiasm. One of

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<v Speaker 17>the things We're trying to make sure folks do is

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<v Speaker 17>vote early and then so we can focus on those

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<v Speaker 17>that don't vote in every election. Unlike Australia where everybody

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<v Speaker 17>is mandated to vote. You know, we have people that

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<v Speaker 17>almost half of our fellow citizens that don't show up

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<v Speaker 17>and vote every year reliably for president. And so we're

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<v Speaker 17>making sure that we were the reliable voters. We're banking

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<v Speaker 17>those votes, and then we're focused on those you know,

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<v Speaker 17>sometimes sometimes vote, sometimes not voters.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, the seven battleground states are really crucial for the

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<v Speaker 3>outcome of this election. Clearly you and the former president

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<v Speaker 3>are spending a lot of time there in the final

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen days. What's the reaction been like on the ground

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<v Speaker 3>in Pennsylvania? The polls have Donald Trump just ahead around

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<v Speaker 3>one point one percent in the seven battleground states on average.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think this is going to be enough to

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<v Speaker 3>get him over the line, Well, it just depends.

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<v Speaker 17>You know, we've had inaccurate polling in the last two

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<v Speaker 17>presidential elections in twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen, I mean in

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<v Speaker 17>twenty twenty and so what you're seeing is a is

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<v Speaker 17>a cautiousness because we don't know whether these polls are

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<v Speaker 17>accurate this year or whether they're off again. You know,

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<v Speaker 17>typically Trump voters are hard to find, harder to find

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<v Speaker 17>for polsters than Democrat voters.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I've been to all of the swing states.

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<v Speaker 17>Most recently, I've been in Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, what I'm seeing is a real.

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<v Speaker 17>Desire from those that support Donald Trump and those that

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<v Speaker 17>are interested in Donald Trump in making sure that he

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<v Speaker 17>is the one in the White House in January. Because

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<v Speaker 17>you know, the issues, whether it's the border, the southern border,

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<v Speaker 17>whether it's national security, whether it is energy policy, whether

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<v Speaker 17>it is law and order issue that I care a

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<v Speaker 17>lot about, or whether it's the economy, all of those issues,

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<v Speaker 17>Donald Trump is very strong and I think a lot

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<v Speaker 17>of voters think he is the one that can fix

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<v Speaker 17>these problems that really, quite frankly, have been caused by

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<v Speaker 17>Kamala Harris and Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Kamala rus I did another town hall with CNN

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<v Speaker 3>with Addison Cooper today. She was asked yet again why

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<v Speaker 3>she's changed positions on some issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a look.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you talk a little bit about how your positions

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<v Speaker 4>have shifted and.

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<v Speaker 8>Why sure, and thank you. So. First of all, on fracking,

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<v Speaker 8>I've been very clear we kind of dispense with this

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<v Speaker 8>in twenty twenty, I am not going to bandfracking. I

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<v Speaker 8>did not as vice president. In fact, as vice president,

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<v Speaker 8>I cast the tie breaking vote that now has opened

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<v Speaker 8>up more fracking leases. My value on the issue of

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<v Speaker 8>what we need to do to invest in a clean

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<v Speaker 8>energy economy and a clean energy future has not changed.

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<v Speaker 8>But frankly, I now have the experience perspective of having

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<v Speaker 8>been vice president.

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<v Speaker 3>Matt, what did you think of her answers on why

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<v Speaker 3>she's changed positions on major policy areas.

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, well, I've never seen a major party candidate debate

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<v Speaker 17>themselves alone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really quite extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 17>She can't be trusted on so many issues you know

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<v Speaker 17>that the American people care about. Here in Pennsylvania, a

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<v Speaker 17>major state that has a lot of jobs that depend

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<v Speaker 17>on fracking, the folks I'm talking to that are on

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<v Speaker 17>the ground do not believe that she can be trusted

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<v Speaker 17>on this. I mean, she was a strong proponent when

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<v Speaker 17>she ran in twenty nineteen for ending fracking. Her campaign

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:23.360
<v Speaker 17>and even herself have been all over the board. You know,

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<v Speaker 17>Kamala Harris is unfortunately one of those politicians that will

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<v Speaker 17>say anything to anybody in order to try to win

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<v Speaker 17>an election. But she just can't be trusted on this

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<v Speaker 17>issue in so many others.

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<v Speaker 3>We've played the comments already on the show tonight where

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<v Speaker 3>she accused Donald Trump of being a fascist. She repeated

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:45.120
<v Speaker 3>those accusations today. What do you think this says about

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<v Speaker 3>her mindset a couple of weeks out.

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<v Speaker 17>It just shows, you know, that she's willing to take

0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:55.160
<v Speaker 17>cheap political hits at Donald Trump. I mean, no one

0:47:55.239 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 17>believes that Donald Trump is a fascist because I'll tell

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<v Speaker 17>you what, he was a president of the United States

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<v Speaker 17>for four years and really took no action that would

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:07.480
<v Speaker 17>suggests that he wants to lead us to something like

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<v Speaker 17>Mussolini's Italy. So you know, I just I think that

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<v Speaker 17>is just a cheap political slur that Kamala Harris is

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<v Speaker 17>trying to throw against President Trump in order to steal

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<v Speaker 17>this election.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's just not going to make it happen.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Matt Whitaker, thank you very much for your

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<v Speaker 3>time in joining us from the campaign trail.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's it for me.

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<v Speaker 3>On Monday, I'm going to be joined by a family

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<v Speaker 3>member of a hostage in Gaza. Who did the interview

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<v Speaker 3>with SBS but they refuse to run it. This is

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<v Speaker 3>going to steamroll into a major story censorship from a

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<v Speaker 3>public broadcaster, So tune in Monday at eight up now

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<v Speaker 3>Paul Murray