1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Peter Dutton in Sydney announcing his nuclear policy seven nuclear 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: reactors to be built around the country if the coalition 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: wins office, and premiers to be thrown a bucket load 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: of money to agree to allowing nuclear into the country 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: into the estates as part of the deal. The federal 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: opposition leader making the Paul Keating reference about was it 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Paul Keating? Was it Gough Whittler never stand behind between 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: a premier and a bucket of money, and he made 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: an allusion to that. So Rowan Ramsey is a Federal 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: member for Gray. We understand Portagusta is a site that 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: has been chosen. Ron Ramsey, Good morning, Bethy, good to 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: be with you. Likewise, thank you for your time. Where 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: in Port Augusta will it go? Because I understand the 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: side of the former power station there is now being 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: utilized for other industry. 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: It's quite a way there with track Matthew. When Keto 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: Bryan says there will be going in places where coul 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: fired payers stations existing, it does necessarily mean the exact footprint, 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: because of course, the advantage of going in such a 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: site is that's where the transmission lines lead to and 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: we don't have this proposal that the Labor government has 22 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: of twenty eight thousand kilometers of new high goldage transmission 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: lines around Australia actually utilize what we've got, so it 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: only has to be in the vicinity, and so it's 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: a long long way down the track. I mean we're 26 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: talking a two or three year consultation process before we 27 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: even get to that stage. So there's plenty of land 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: around Port Agusta, I can one way or another, I'm 29 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: sure a suitable site. 30 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: Okay, those transition transmission lines. The Energy Minister here in SA, 31 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: Tom Kutsantonus, has in the last hour tweeted out the 32 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: lines are already full nearly fully says from renewables, a 33 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: nuclear reactor at Port Agusta wouldn't need new transmission lines. 34 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: Well you can. You can talk to Tom about that. 35 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: And I've had some meetings with SAPAN Networks in the 36 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: not so distant past and they have plans for the 37 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: future one one another. There will probably need new transmission 38 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: lines in the region anyhow to capitalize on a number 39 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: of the projects that had already been announced in the 40 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: reason because one of the things that I think people 41 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: need to get their head clearly clear on is that 42 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: we are not talking about a nuclear only nation. We're 43 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: talking about a nuclear being in the mix of the 44 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: electricity supplies which we have because at the moment we 45 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: have we have coal, we have gas, and we have 46 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: renewable and growing renewable. But one of the issues that 47 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: we have, and I've only just recently written an article 48 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 2: about that, particularly at this time of the year, South 49 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: Australia are seventy one percent renewables. We're by far the 50 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: leader in Australia once you take Tasmanian Hydro out. In fact, 51 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: we have twice as much renewable as any other state, 52 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: and yet our retail payer prices are fifty percent higher 53 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: than the next. And the problem is the gaps are 54 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: appearing when the renewables aren't working that are becoming increasingly 55 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: expensive and difficult to fill. And as the qualified PAW 56 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 2: stations of Victoria retired, we would not have the capacity 57 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 2: to fill them unless we come up with something new. 58 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: So your argument would be that nuclear is going to 59 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: be cheaper, but the cost of building nuclear needs to 60 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: be factored in because that money's going to come from somewhere, 61 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: and it's only going to come from consumers and the 62 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: same people taxpayers. 63 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: Well, well that is the case with any I mean, 64 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: that's where it's coming from. Renewables, and the subjects that 65 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: go into renewables are coming out of the consumer's pocket, 66 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: and they're very, very significant, and in fact, the best 67 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: estimates on the labor plan at the moment is well 68 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: in excess for trillion dollars to bring on their renewable revolution. 69 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: Just to come back on the subject, I mean I 70 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: checked last night in South Australia, around about twenty percent 71 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: of our energy was coming from renewable and pretty much 72 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: the batteries are all flat because we've had calm, cool, 73 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: overcast weather, and so what where do you find the 74 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: other seventy five percent of your electricity from? And so 75 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: there needs to be a quantum shift in the way 76 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: that we fashion this pursuit of net zero, and we 77 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: think at the moment, in fact, it's quite obvious that 78 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: we are not going to get there under the current regime, 79 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: that the approvals are not going ahead quickly enough, and 80 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: the backup is an almighty expensive thing. When you begin 81 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: the pathway to renewables, the backup is cheap because this 82 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: existing pair generation network, but the further you go down 83 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: that pathway the dearer gets even though you need it 84 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: less of the time. 85 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: Are you comfortable that people import Agusta, as the local member, 86 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: are going to be happy with the uclear reactor in 87 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: their backyard. 88 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 2: Well, they had a code pat station for many many years. 89 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 2: And the former mayor she's moved on now, but a 90 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 2: very fan point there. And Enjoy Beloop said that coal 91 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: fired pair station is killed board my people in Portagusta 92 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: the nuclear everwood, and she's right. The I think the 93 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 2: people of portogast are intelligent and this work won't be 94 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: forced on any short period of time. This can take 95 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: a long consultation period. Unlike the government's push your head 96 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: with the offshore wing, which gave communities about two months, 97 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: consider we're talking years, like two years of consultation. And 98 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 2: there will be a very significant benefit for the communities 99 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: that host these reactors. There will be hundreds of high tech, 100 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: high paid jobs for one hundred years. There will be 101 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: an economic development zone where we will see chief of 102 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: Electricity made available to those that wanted to locate. There 103 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: be a local transmission group. So all these things are 104 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 2: to be developed in path in harmony with the local community. 105 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: Now to have that conversation. It means that you need 106 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 2: to go. They're not scared the horses, and I'm sure 107 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: there will be people talking about two headed babies and 108 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: three legged carrots as we speak. But I've been, as 109 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: many other Australians have been to countries all over the 110 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 2: world that either depend predominantly on nuclear energy like France 111 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 2: and the US or else significantly, and they are those 112 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: countries about building new reactors and in fact we've been 113 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: left behind in the western world. China has twenty one 114 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: under construction at the moment and are becoming the world's 115 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 2: pre eminent supplier of nuclear energy, and they will have 116 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: client states all over the world. So there are many 117 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: pieces of this that are at play and that will 118 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: take time for us to deal without at community level. 119 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: But I can assure the people of Portagasta that I'll 120 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: be there looking after their interests. 121 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: Indigenous people, as you know in your electorate, have challenged 122 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: successfully the Kimber Nuclear waste repository. The detail plant down 123 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: towards Port Lincoln is in their sites. You're confident it 124 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: won't it will last a challenge, it will outlive a 125 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: challenge by local groups saying not on our land. Thanks. 126 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that anyone can do with that 127 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: kind of confidence with anything at the moment, and it 128 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: doesn't matter what you want to build, quite frankly, and 129 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: I think that's another conversation Australia has to have rather urgently. 130 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: But there will be great benefits for all people in Portagasta, 131 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: not just the indigenous people. That will be jobs for 132 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: them as well, so an opportunity. So I hope that 133 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: we can have a reasoned, sensible adult conversation with all 134 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: parties and that's the process of a long come period 135 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: making sure that everybody gets hurt directly. 136 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: All right, Rowan Ramsey, appreciate your time. 137 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: Thank you, No no good to be with you. 138 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: Federal member for Gray, which takes in Port Augusta, the 139 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: site of a nuclear power plant to be built by 140 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: the Coalition if they win office. Peter Dutton still speaking 141 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: in Sydney saying we need nuclear energy in the mix, 142 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: first plant operational under their policy by twenty thirty five, 143 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,559 Speaker 1: and the Opposition saying in government they'll work with state 144 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: premiers to overturn state bands on nuclear power and making 145 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: the point made years ago by a former treasurer saying 146 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: never stand between a premier and a bucket of money, 147 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: so that might be the payoff the states to get 148 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: special funding along the way to overturn nuclear power bands 149 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: within state legislation.