Speaker 1: Before we get started, I'd like to acknowledge the custodians
Speaker 1: of the land on which we record. For me, it's
Speaker 1: the gaddigl people of the urination.
Speaker 2: And for me it's a roundering people of the cooler nation.
Speaker 1: I know you're going to dig this. It's like I've
Speaker 1: been given like an extra sprinkle of something.
Speaker 2: You've got layers, Yeah, I've got layers. I was just thinking,
Speaker 2: I'm like, we're just such beautiful storytellers.
Speaker 1: You make in a lot of sense to that girl.
Speaker 3: Now I'm done.
Speaker 2: Let's jump into it, honest to go.
Speaker 1: If you're listening, welcome to twenty twenty five. First things first,
Speaker 1: we're back. It's blacker than ever.
Speaker 2: Guys were skipping the intro. Let's jump into it. Maddy,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Five for twenty five. Do you remember at the end
Speaker 1: of last year we said twenty twenty five is the
Speaker 1: year to thrive?
Speaker 3: Is that still the vibe?
Speaker 2: I feel like it's still the vibe.
Speaker 3: The vibes are high.
Speaker 2: I feel I'm entering another decade of my life. I'm
Speaker 2: thirty now, Holy.
Speaker 3: Shit, three zero? What does it feel like?
Speaker 2: It feels bloody good. I'm being honest, like I don't
Speaker 2: feel thirty. Like if age is a number, I would
Speaker 2: definitely wouldn't feel thirty. I'd feel in my early twenties. Honestly,
Speaker 2: just more mature, I would say, but.
Speaker 3: A little bit less, you would say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit, a bit still unhinged, as we
Speaker 2: all know.
Speaker 3: I'm loving that.
Speaker 1: But look, you've had such a great holiday. You've been
Speaker 1: off around the world jet sitting here and there. You've
Speaker 1: been to LA You've been to New York City. I
Speaker 1: mean you've been getting around.
Speaker 3: How was it?
Speaker 2: You know what? It was probably the best trip I've done,
Speaker 2: and I did it solo. And I think that's the
Speaker 2: best thing about entering this like new decade is I
Speaker 2: do feel like I'm only just starting living, like living
Speaker 2: my life. But I have like the maturity, and I
Speaker 2: also have like the financial I guess, not freedom, but
Speaker 2: like you know, rich.
Speaker 1: That a you're trying to say is I'm rich and
Speaker 1: I can travel wherever I want in the world.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that at all. Fuck, I wish
Speaker 2: I had more money, but.
Speaker 1: Like I as the cost of living crisis, I've.
Speaker 3: Got enough money to travel anywhere anytime I life.
Speaker 2: Well, No, I think the thing is right, I just
Speaker 2: have no attachment other than the responsibility of having a dog.
Speaker 2: I don't have like anything keeping me anywhere. Others obviously
Speaker 2: the podcast work, yes, that keeps like the wheels turning.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I'm in a place where I
Speaker 2: could honestly just like sell and pack up everything and
Speaker 2: just go wherever the fuck I want. And I think
Speaker 2: that would be a great you know, like i'd make
Speaker 2: do it and I would survive. But oh my god,
Speaker 2: New York for New.
Speaker 1: York City, Okay, so explain to us what it was
Speaker 1: like being in New York City for the first time.
Speaker 1: I haven't been, by the way, so sell it to me.
Speaker 2: Okay, So to give context, though, my mom loved New York,
Speaker 2: and I didn't really know this until I started putting
Speaker 2: pieces together of like little things that she used to say,
Speaker 2: the music she used to listen to, and the things
Speaker 2: that she used to reference. And it's crazy. My memory
Speaker 2: is so insane, saying like sometimes I remember the most
Speaker 2: craziest moments of my life, like and sometimes I wish
Speaker 2: that I didn't the opposite.
Speaker 1: I've blocked out so much it's like I don't even
Speaker 1: have a memory bank of like.
Speaker 2: Your childhood or more like your teenage years, all all
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: It's gone.
Speaker 1: People were constantly remind me of things that have happened,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, did that actually happen?
Speaker 3: When did that happen?
Speaker 2: What I ate was I like, I think I need
Speaker 2: to do I mean this and like respectfully, but I
Speaker 2: think you need to do therapy, and I think you
Speaker 2: need to do like CBT, and I think you need
Speaker 2: to do visualization.
Speaker 1: What's CBT.
Speaker 2: That CBT is cognitive No, it's cognitive behavioral therapy.
Speaker 1: Oh CBD, CBD, CBT.
Speaker 2: Oh you're making marriage And one I.
Speaker 3: Was like, should I get high in reminice?
Speaker 1: No? Okay, well yeah I probably do. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: starting therapy again.
Speaker 3: This week actually, so, which is good.
Speaker 1: I did a lot of therapy last year, remember, but
Speaker 1: we didn't do much CBD.
Speaker 2: You just do CBD and go and get CBT. But
Speaker 2: and then you just CBF because you just like.
Speaker 3: I got the munches CD.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a good point. I probably should.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to unpack. But then I get scared
Speaker 1: of opening Pandora's box.
Speaker 2: It's not Pandora's box though, like you have to sometimes,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, Maddie. It's kind of opening another pathway,
Speaker 2: Like you might go down a route that maybe feel uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: but uncomfortableness is good for you. I think so. And
Speaker 2: I'm not saying this as in like, yeah, shadow therapy,
Speaker 2: but I personally think like you would benefit from doing
Speaker 2: some visualizations so where you can get some of those
Speaker 2: memories back, because sometimes you suppress, not you in particular,
Speaker 2: like people in general. Right, we can suppress things and
Speaker 2: we can push it down so far that we don't
Speaker 2: know it exists, and we wonder why we might have
Speaker 2: like a knee jerk reaction to some and we're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I wonder what that was about, Like why did I
Speaker 2: act like that? Sometimes it can come down to suppress trauma.
Speaker 1: And interestingly enough, when you say like a knee joke reaction,
Speaker 1: I have had those moments where a memory will come
Speaker 1: into my mind and it will remind me of a
Speaker 1: certain traumatic experience. But as you know, I'm the type
Speaker 1: of person that is like, okay, quickly move on, Like
Speaker 1: I don't want to sit with that. And I think
Speaker 1: the work is about sitting with it, right and actually
Speaker 1: allowing it to come fully to you and being able
Speaker 1: to sort of process it and not just shut it down.
Speaker 2: Agreed. I mean, you know, without the bad days, you
Speaker 2: can't have the good days. And I think like there's
Speaker 2: a balance and sometimes you do really have to sit
Speaker 2: in your shit. I always say this. I've advocated it
Speaker 2: since we started this part.
Speaker 3: I've always tell people to sit in their shit.
Speaker 2: Sit in your shit. That's the title of this episode. No,
Speaker 2: I just think, like, without feeling things and like nutting
Speaker 2: it out, how do you know you were actually moving
Speaker 2: through it? Like I fully agree with you in some
Speaker 2: moments where I'm like, nah, I do not want to
Speaker 2: deal with that today, and that is so fine, and
Speaker 2: I'm like so for that. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I know that that's just going to come back and
Speaker 2: it's going to bite me even worse, Like it is
Speaker 2: going to come full circle and I'm not going to
Speaker 2: enjoy the second time it comes around. And I think,
Speaker 2: you know what, just cop it now and then deal
Speaker 2: with it later.
Speaker 1: Do you feel a release when you do it, like
Speaker 1: as in when you sit with something, you sit in
Speaker 1: your shit, and then do you feel like you've processed
Speaker 1: it or is it like a long time.
Speaker 3: Moments?
Speaker 2: Look, I had these moments when I was in New York,
Speaker 2: right and I was feeling like homesick or feeling a
Speaker 2: bit like, oh, do I want to come home like
Speaker 2: or early? And I was like, no, no, no, this
Speaker 2: is just me feeling uncomfortable and instead of you know,
Speaker 2: my knee jerk reaction sometimes with that is to just
Speaker 2: you know, be irrational and like jump on a plane
Speaker 2: and come back home. And then I'll be like, I'll
Speaker 2: regret it, right because I didn't stay there and I
Speaker 2: didn't give it the time. And I mean I had
Speaker 2: this moment once I was walking a few blocks and
Speaker 2: I just kept walking found this busker and I just
Speaker 2: sat and I like stood there and I watched him
Speaker 2: just like with a bunch of people, and I just
Speaker 2: started crying. And I felt so uncomfortable because I was
Speaker 2: in public, and I thought, fuck, I'm gonna be like
Speaker 2: that embarrassing, weirdo person that's crying in the middle of
Speaker 2: the street at this busker. But I just felt this
Speaker 2: rush of like gratitude. It was so weird. I felt
Speaker 2: so grateful and so connected to this is just a
Speaker 2: young kid. He's African American and he was playing country music,
Speaker 2: which is so crazy, like normally, you know rap. I've
Speaker 2: just been hearing rap music this whole time, but he
Speaker 2: was playing country music. He was also playing the guitar,
Speaker 2: singing and then playing like the trombone. It was insane wow,
Speaker 2: And I just this moment of gratitude where I was like,
Speaker 2: I am alone in a city, like a foreign place.
Speaker 2: I felt so uncomfortable before, but I was able to
Speaker 2: move past it, sit in it a little bit, get
Speaker 2: my feelings out, and then move past it. And then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I felt a massive wave of gratitude.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what happens when you sit in
Speaker 2: it a little bit. It's a bit shitty, it's a
Speaker 2: bit grubby. No one wants to sit in the trenches
Speaker 2: and like dig their way throughout. But then there's another perspective,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, I got here.
Speaker 2: I jumped on a plane, didn't really know anyone, flew
Speaker 2: to New York, made my thirtieth dreams come true. And
Speaker 2: I'm standing here in a busker crying in the middle
Speaker 2: of the street. It sounds a bit odd, but like
Speaker 2: I sat in my shit for a little bit. That
Speaker 2: was one example of when sometimes you just need to
Speaker 2: ride the wave of emotion, sit in it, feel it,
Speaker 2: and then you know, like come out of it. You're
Speaker 2: not going to be in it forever.
Speaker 3: I love that like visualization.
Speaker 1: I think also the like word gratitude is something that
Speaker 1: I wrote on my mirror at home and I walk
Speaker 1: past it every day, and I think that when you
Speaker 1: get to a sense of gratitude, there is like this
Speaker 1: beautiful feeling. I don't know, you're just able to understand
Speaker 1: how far you've come from something, or like, I've been
Speaker 1: going back over my career, so I've been creating like
Speaker 1: a website, and you inspired me to do this. By
Speaker 1: the way, do you remember when we sat down and you
Speaker 1: said to me that I saw this.
Speaker 3: You were creating a website.
Speaker 2: I was like, still, it does take a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been, you know, doing it over the holiday
Speaker 1: break and just being able to go back over my
Speaker 1: career and be like, oh, okay, there's things that I forgot.
Speaker 3: There are things that.
Speaker 1: Like I was able to tick off really at the
Speaker 1: start of my career too, that I feel so proud of.
Speaker 1: And I just had this sense of gratitude like yeah,
Speaker 1: I really fucking did this, and I did this on
Speaker 1: my Oh my god, I didn't. I didn't get much
Speaker 1: help to get to this position. So I mean there
Speaker 1: are people along the way who obviously you lean on
Speaker 1: and help help, but.
Speaker 2: You did that, like you're the one here now making
Speaker 2: a website because you want to reflect on the things
Speaker 2: that you did, Like, yeah, people help you. Like the
Speaker 2: thing is, people forget that you need other people in
Speaker 2: this world to get to total.
Speaker 1: And especially what I've realized is and I want to,
Speaker 1: you know, to make this clear to our listeners if
Speaker 1: you're you know, in an environment or if you're at home,
Speaker 1: because I can speak from my own point of view.
Speaker 1: When I was home in a regional town in a
Speaker 1: toxic environment, you know, I was growing up in a
Speaker 1: level of poverty that I really didn't understand and really
Speaker 1: wanted out of. Look for the hands that are outside
Speaker 1: of those environments because a lot of the time, the
Speaker 1: people who are in those environments are with you. They
Speaker 1: don't know the way out. So if you can grab
Speaker 1: onto someone on the outside of that box who has
Speaker 1: different experience, a different level of worldview, grab onto them
Speaker 1: and allow them to help you find your way out.
Speaker 1: And I think that those things over the holiday period
Speaker 1: for me have become really clear, like understanding how important
Speaker 1: environment is.
Speaker 2: Or the people that you're exposed to. And I would
Speaker 2: really love to talk about something that's really quite yeah,
Speaker 2: like personal, you know, on this subject. So over the
Speaker 2: years that we've had this podcast, I've been so grateful
Speaker 2: to have you, like, you know, talking about gratitude, Like
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone could be any more perfect as
Speaker 2: a co host, Like do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like in my eyes, in terms of our experience and
Speaker 2: our lived experience and our where we're going and our aspirations,
Speaker 2: like I feel like we're we're often, you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: on the same path, same times, you know, we both
Speaker 2: go our separate things and then we kind of come back,
Speaker 2: and I think that's the best thing. But the people
Speaker 2: that I've been exposed to through you and through the
Speaker 2: podcast has been amazing, and I'm so looking forward to
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. But I wanted to talk about going
Speaker 2: back to New York and a little moment that I
Speaker 2: had so we a couple of months ago, I mean
Speaker 2: months ago, I posted this video on Instagram where I
Speaker 2: had received an email from a fellow follower of ours
Speaker 2: and her name's Hannah. Hannah had said that she'd come
Speaker 2: across my ted talk and it pretty much saved her life.
Speaker 2: She was going through a really tough time and she
Speaker 2: was planning on, you know, trigger warning, taking her life,
Speaker 2: and she watched my video and it changed her whole
Speaker 2: perspective and she gives me gisbumps. But I broke down
Speaker 2: reading this email because I felt one I didn't. I
Speaker 2: just felt so bad that she was feeling that low
Speaker 2: in her life, Like I've been there multiple times and
Speaker 2: I know how it can be. And then I'm very
Speaker 2: grateful for the people that have changed my life, and
Speaker 2: I wrote about them in Big Love, and I'm always
Speaker 2: grateful for the people that I do have now that
Speaker 2: kind of keep me at bay. But I had no
Speaker 2: idea that I was going to meet her at all
Speaker 2: in my life. Like she lives in the States and
Speaker 2: she lives in Ohio, and I was in New York,
Speaker 2: and she flew to New York to meet me and
Speaker 2: have coffee with me, and I was like, I would
Speaker 2: never miss out on opportunity to speak to someone who
Speaker 2: I've had an impact that directly with, Like I just
Speaker 2: felt not that I felt responsible in any way, I
Speaker 2: just felt like for her to reach out and send
Speaker 2: that message. I was like, I need to, like I
Speaker 2: need to meet her, and I need to like beautiful,
Speaker 2: and she it was like the most beautiful. Like we
Speaker 2: spoke for like three hours. We had coffee and like
Speaker 2: a muffin together and and we just we just chatted
Speaker 2: and it's so crazy, like we live on different parts
Speaker 2: of the world, and she flew from Ohio to New
Speaker 2: York City to like actually catch me whilst I was
Speaker 2: in the stage, which is like three hour flight by
Speaker 2: the way. Wow, And I just thought, you know, that's
Speaker 2: really special that people put it in that effort and
Speaker 2: feel that connected to us internationally as well, like not
Speaker 2: just in Australia. And I just thought, wow, if we're
Speaker 2: having impact for like one person, like how many other
Speaker 2: people were out there like listening to our podcast and
Speaker 2: feeling the same. So I wanted to share that. And
Speaker 2: I'm always very grateful for Hannah because I think she.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know, you know, I didn't even know
Speaker 1: that you ended up catching up.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well I just.
Speaker 1: Can I just ask how the bloody hell did you
Speaker 1: miss telling me that?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's not like it's not like I
Speaker 2: didn't want to share it. I just think like for me,
Speaker 2: like that was a really special moment and I kind
Speaker 2: of just wanted to, like, I guess keep it for myself.
Speaker 2: And I think for me and Hannah, like we just
Speaker 2: she brought me like a little bracelet and it's got
Speaker 2: like a heart inside her heart and she has like
Speaker 2: a matching one, and I just thought like that was
Speaker 2: just so sentimental and she luck she knew how sentimental
Speaker 2: I am because she's got to know me over the
Speaker 2: podcast over years. I think generally people actually connect with us, Maddie,
Speaker 2: like truly connect with us and know our personality and
Speaker 2: see themselves in us and vice versa. Do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, I think you're so much better at understanding that
Speaker 1: than I am. I think that there's been moments across
Speaker 1: the years where you will seeing me sort of go
Speaker 1: into my shell a bit when there's people around who
Speaker 1: sort of know us, and I think that like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but sometimes I feel like
Speaker 1: I don't deserve the recognition or somebody being so complimentary,
Speaker 1: or somebody telling me how much they enjoy the pod
Speaker 1: or like us, so I sort of like try and
Speaker 1: dodge the conversation and for me, I sort of have
Speaker 1: this internal confliction that is like, oh, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I can handle.
Speaker 2: That top poppy syndrome is so prevalent, and people don't yeah,
Speaker 2: and people don't really care about your success. I had
Speaker 2: people who I met in the US that knew that
Speaker 2: you and I had won a podcast award and made
Speaker 2: it very known to the group of people that I
Speaker 2: just that we had won an award. And this is
Speaker 2: in the US.
Speaker 1: There's a culture in Australia that doesn't like to give
Speaker 1: people their flowers. And I think that in our industry,
Speaker 1: even when you go and do the things that they
Speaker 1: said you couldn't, and even when you tick off all
Speaker 1: these achievements, it's still hard for even the people who
Speaker 1: are sometimes even on your team to back you, not
Speaker 1: our team, not the pod. For instance, when we won
Speaker 1: the Australian Champion Award for the podcast right, we should
Speaker 1: have been able to amplify that achievement because we're, you know,
Speaker 1: two first nations people pushing for positive representation in media.
Speaker 1: That's our goal. If we win a big award like
Speaker 1: that and then don't get amplified because of certain gatekeepers
Speaker 1: in the industry, I think that is a real issue
Speaker 1: as to why there isn't much positive representation of our people.
Speaker 3: I a woe.
Speaker 2: I love your honesty around that, and I completely agree
Speaker 2: with you, and.
Speaker 1: It comes from tradition, all views and gatekeepers.
Speaker 2: But I think it's a systemic thing. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: higher like it's the people above, you know, above all this.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't take much for you know, if you're
Speaker 1: a Caucasian person in the media to be amplified and
Speaker 1: to get every piece of publicity possible, it'll happen. And
Speaker 1: the Caucasity pisces me off.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I could rant about that for days because I think,
Speaker 2: like when I realized the Australian openers in Melbourne at
Speaker 2: the moment, and I have really noticed that it's very like,
Speaker 2: it's very pretentious and it's very white. And I think,
Speaker 2: like a few people that I know in the industry
Speaker 2: like a catch, shout out to my girl, a catch.
Speaker 2: She she's calling it out. She's making literal tiktoks, being
Speaker 2: like I'm the only black person at this one.
Speaker 1: Event totally, And I asked for so long, how fu
Speaker 1: asked for so long?
Speaker 2: But in the US everywhere that I turned on an app.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're black, if you're Latina, And
Speaker 1: what they care about is if you're great, if you're talented,
Speaker 1: you will make you you'll make an impact. They don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck if you're black white.
Speaker 2: I took photos ads. Yeah, honestly, all the ads were
Speaker 2: like beautiful, like black people, and I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god.
Speaker 1: And I know my position, my position in the media
Speaker 1: and why I have my platforms, and it is to
Speaker 1: push that barrier. It is to make sure that people
Speaker 1: are having conversations about positive representation, like and if I
Speaker 1: have to do it by having these rants or being
Speaker 1: really honest about the industry, I will. And let me
Speaker 1: be honest about this. As soon as I start telling
Speaker 1: people how I truly feel about the media landscape, I
Speaker 1: will be labeled as an angry black man. It's not
Speaker 1: about me, It's about our community. It's about ensuring that
Speaker 1: if I have a platform and a position in the media,
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to really push the narrative that there
Speaker 1: isn't enough diverse voices, especially in radio. Like the amount
Speaker 1: of shows that I saw getting announced across the networks,
Speaker 1: every single duo, every single trio I saw, well all
Speaker 1: white people I know, and unfortunately we had an opportunity.
Speaker 1: You have an opportunity every year to bring a diverse
Speaker 1: view or an opinion or a person from a different
Speaker 1: community into the folding commercial radio Australia, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: happen year after year. So that needs to change.
Speaker 2: My big question is to that is like one who's
Speaker 2: making these decisions? Sometimes there's life.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying these people aren't talented, and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that everyone that his on these shows aren't deserving jobs. Yes,
Speaker 1: they've probably done the rounds, they've done all the circuits,
Speaker 1: the regional circuits. They probably you know, pushed their way
Speaker 1: to the top and had you know, had to fight
Speaker 1: for their opportunities as well. I'm not denying them of that.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying though, is that if every single person
Speaker 1: at the top represents a certain part of the community,
Speaker 1: it is a real lack of opportunity to hear of
Speaker 1: like diverse opinions and experiences from other communities. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's like something that is blind fully obvious
Speaker 1: to me in Australian commercial radio, Like it is so
Speaker 1: obvious that it's so whitewashed, and it needs to change.
Speaker 2: As soon as I got back into Australia, Like it
Speaker 2: was like an immediate distinction, Like I'm not even being exaggerative,
Speaker 2: and I know that we're you know, on this topic,
Speaker 2: so you know, but I it was an immediate straight away,
Speaker 2: like a distinction. You could just see the public, the
Speaker 2: general public of the diversity that we have here is
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 3: It's just I'm unders and do you know what?
Speaker 2: And I'm not against my white people.
Speaker 3: I love my people.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is also that the attempt to
Speaker 1: dangle carrots in front of people's faces and be like, well,
Speaker 1: if we give you this opportunity, will you shut up?
Speaker 1: That's never going to happen. For me, that's never going
Speaker 1: to happen. So even if I get an opportunity and
Speaker 1: I'm going to be brought into the fold of a
Speaker 1: show or a network that are elevating me as a person,
Speaker 1: I will still continuously push for the rest of the community.
Speaker 1: This isn't about me.
Speaker 2: No, I know you will, and I know that, yeah,
Speaker 2: will you'll go down?
Speaker 3: Still down, girl, be taking me down.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just frustrated, as you can hear. And it's
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five and I just wanted. I wanted to
Speaker 1: see something different. I wanted to believe that the industry
Speaker 1: is willing to change when it comes to representation. And
Speaker 1: I think that because of the current political climate, we
Speaker 1: are seeing a shift in progress and we're seeing we
Speaker 1: have to be vigilant when it comes to what we're
Speaker 1: fighting for and we have to continue to fight for
Speaker 1: progress because as soon as the powers in the world
Speaker 1: of the Western world shift, like for instance, the Trump
Speaker 1: whole sucking ordeal, we see a trickle down effect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 2: Feel like because we're like suckling off them.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, But honestly, I'm afraid. I'm afraid
Speaker 1: of the future when it comes to what I'm seeing
Speaker 1: when it you know, people's views and really extreme divisive
Speaker 1: language that's being used currently. So what that says is
Speaker 1: it gives people permission not to change, not to move forward,
Speaker 1: actually go backwards. And so I'm worried about that in
Speaker 1: this country. And so we're going to have to continue
Speaker 1: to use our platform and get I think we're.
Speaker 2: Just going to have to. Like one, we would love
Speaker 2: to see more young people in those political leaders. You know,
Speaker 2: we need more like young First Nations people to be
Speaker 2: leading and like having those voices, which yeah, you're a
Speaker 2: great voice in.
Speaker 1: That different communities as well, you know, yeah, like a
Speaker 1: diverse range of young voices. But the scary thing is
Speaker 1: is that the young demographic are starting to catch on
Speaker 1: to what these older extremist views are and they get there,
Speaker 1: they feel like they have permission to.
Speaker 3: Side with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's scary for me because as you can
Speaker 1: see in the data, you know, no, I just when
Speaker 1: it comes to Australia Day of Young People, I know.
Speaker 2: In twelve months, which is crazy, No, And I understand that,
Speaker 2: but I think we need to keep challenging our young
Speaker 2: people to be like more you know, critical thinkers and
Speaker 2: kind of instilling still those those values that are important
Speaker 2: to community, but also you know, just being a good
Speaker 2: person ethically and morally, Like I think comes sometimes down
Speaker 2: to that, Like if you're a good person, you'll want
Speaker 2: to do good. And I think we need to give
Speaker 2: our young people a bit more credit for d They're
Speaker 2: really smart and I think they're adapting to a lot
Speaker 2: of things at the moment. You know, social media is
Speaker 2: a part of their world. Our jen Alpha is just
Speaker 2: like very multiple. Yeah, well they're just so easily influenced,
Speaker 2: but I think we need to make sure that that
Speaker 2: influence is positive, and I think we need to make
Speaker 2: sure that that influence is doing good and they're you know,
Speaker 2: they understand that reciprocal relationship of like being good doing good,
Speaker 2: and you know, and then I guess, just make sure
Speaker 2: that we're actually nourishing and supporting our young leaders. I
Speaker 2: would also like to if you guys listen, listen to
Speaker 2: this episode and you want to have an import or
Speaker 2: you have an opinion on I guess like jan twenty six,
Speaker 2: which will be coming up very soon, maybe just send
Speaker 2: us a voice note or what you think, like. I
Speaker 2: feel like.
Speaker 1: That's we're open to hearing many different views.
Speaker 2: We are.
Speaker 3: We're not closed off.
Speaker 1: We might think a certain way and might have certain
Speaker 1: strong feelings about the date, but we are open to
Speaker 1: hearing why you may not agree with our views.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, We're open to that.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much, guys, and we unpacked a lot
Speaker 2: in that episode and we're so very, very grateful. I
Speaker 2: feel like the theme has been gratitude, and I guess
Speaker 2: using your voice is the themes that I would say
Speaker 2: and what we started with twelve exactly and we are
Speaker 2: in our thrive era. We hope that you are as well.
Speaker 2: But yeah, hopefully we'll see you guys next episode.
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Speaker 2: All right, your mob, see you next week. Bye,