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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pit Talk, a Fox Sports and

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, the driver

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Speaker 1: market is in its final throws, with SAURBA ditching both

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Speaker 1: its drivers in favor of a Brazilian young gun, but

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Speaker 1: speculation mounting over Jack Douan's twenty twenty five debut with

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Speaker 1: Alpede and Maxistafan puts one hand on the championship trophy

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Speaker 1: after a dominant wet weather drive in South Paolo. My

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Speaker 1: name is Michael Lamonato, motorsport rider for Fox Sports Australia.

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Speaker 1: It's great to have your company and the company of

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Speaker 1: my co host from Speed Cafe. He loves the South

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Speaker 1: American time zone. It's Matt Cosh.

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Speaker 2: Are we Cardi of our Lord something. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what is going on there, but that is all manner

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Speaker 2: of craziness.

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Speaker 1: That's what I love about Brazilian sports broadcasting. It's totally

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Speaker 1: unafraid throwing the sound effects, the music. It's very enormful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, we are missing out.

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Speaker 1: You'd be, of course if you go back and look

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Speaker 1: through for example, this is just completely off track now,

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Speaker 1: but Brazilian Grand Prix highlights from the Brazilian broadcaster in

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Speaker 1: the days of Aid and Center, they'd be full of

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Speaker 1: music and sound effects and still their football coverages. I

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Speaker 1: believe that was a sting from that they would play

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Speaker 1: after a goal for a national match.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we'll take that. I'll take that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I just wanted to put it inject a

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Speaker 1: little bit of Brazilian fair. I don't speak any Portuguese,

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Speaker 1: I thought it'd injected a little bit of the Brazilian flair.

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Speaker 2: And I think our lives would be richer for all

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Speaker 2: of that just happening just out in the world. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you're going to fill up your fill up your car

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Speaker 2: with petrol and you get some glorious tune to celebrate

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Speaker 2: your success.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be good, you know, And I

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Speaker 1: think it's a nice way to bid farewell to the

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Speaker 1: Sow Paolo Grand Prix and this little break before we

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Speaker 1: hit into those final three races of the season. But

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking plenty more about not only the Brazilian

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix, but Brazil's perhaps well definitely in fact side

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Speaker 1: next Formula Un Star. It's a question of whether or

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Speaker 1: not I have big a star. He'll be but he's

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Speaker 1: certainly doing pretty well in the junior formula. But before

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Speaker 1: we get to all that bad, let's go through the

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Speaker 1: five big stories from the last week that you might

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Speaker 1: have missed. And I want to start with something that's

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Speaker 1: happened really quite recently, been bubbling along for a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks now, and that is that the Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: Drivers Association has written a letter to the FIA President

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Speaker 1: Muhammad Ben sula Am asking to be treated as adults

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Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the sports new hardline on swearing,

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Speaker 1: with charl Leclair having been fined last week with some

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Speaker 1: salty language in a press conference. The drivers have also

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Speaker 1: asked the transparency over what their fines are used for.

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Speaker 2: That second point I disagree with. I don't think they

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Speaker 2: need or deserve any visibility on that. No, for that matter,

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Speaker 2: if we get a speeding fine or whatever else, we

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Speaker 2: don't have any visibility really where that goes. Why should

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Speaker 2: they be in a special position just because their Formula

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Speaker 2: one drivers break the rules, you pay the fine.

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Speaker 3: So on, as far as the sweary thing goes, I

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Speaker 2: The broadcast side of things. Aside broadcast, there are there

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Speaker 2: you swear they have to bleep it. They can't use

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Speaker 2: it as broadcast. You're costing Formula one the opportunity of exposure.

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Speaker 3: So there, I get it.

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Speaker 2: But you know, as soon as you cross over that

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Speaker 2: threshold into the written side of things, what's the harm

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Speaker 2: in the odd odd F bomb? I mean, any of

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Speaker 1: Well, that is the question the FIA is certainly pondering.

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Speaker 1: Will wait their response. Moving to the F one side

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Speaker 1: of things, F one CEO Stefano Domenicali says he'll have

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Speaker 1: some news very soon on European tracks that will be

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Speaker 1: rotating among themselves each year on the calendar, thereby making

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Speaker 1: space for new races to join the schedule. And that's

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Speaker 1: is of course without rotation. Push us over twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty four is the maximum allowed under the conqueror

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Speaker 2: But that requires unanimous approval of all the teams, which

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Speaker 2: I just hope they're very, very careful and they've done

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Speaker 1: Let's look now it matters on track and at McLaren,

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Speaker 1: which has been embroiled in another technical controversy with accusations

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Speaker 1: have allegedly been injecting a small quantity of water into

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Speaker 1: but just reading that sounds very amusing.

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Speaker 2: I'm no race engineered, you know, jump is that no

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Speaker 2: You know, the temperature in these things is huge. The

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Speaker 2: so therefore have no effect. To have any sort of

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Speaker 2: water in there, in which case you've got all this

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Speaker 2: That's the sort of thing that when you know, when

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Speaker 2: you know, what's already reasonably heavy, bloody heavy, so you

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Speaker 3: It just seems ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Sign There's some stories about how it all came out,

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Speaker 3: When we're to the business end of a championship.

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Speaker 1: It's been a lot of mud thrown as well in

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Speaker 1: agreed to pay in Australian dollars nine hundred thousand, six

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Speaker 1: documentation irregularities. That's some expensive paperwork malfunctions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to the point where Honda had to redo its submission.

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Speaker 2: One of the two you had to completely redo their submission.

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Speaker 2: FA then look at it going okay, yes, now it's fine,

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Speaker 2: But I mean that there's nothing sporting or performance to

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Speaker 2: just dotting the eyes, crossing the tees, doing that sort

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Speaker 1: but I struggle to remember, as Master Martin wouldn't happen again.

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Speaker 1: isn't sure what configuration the two cars will turn up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And this adds to crashes that we saw in

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Speaker 2: probably the engineering department there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just like as to put this into perspective,

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Speaker 1: Audi team where both valtrie Bot and Joe gran you

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Speaker 1: Holkenberg from next season will be Brazilian young gun Gabrielle Bortoletto.

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Speaker 1: And I had been heading this way for a little while

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Speaker 1: had been the rumor that he'd been extracted from McLaren's

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Speaker 1: Gabrielle borte Letter, because certainly we'll have plenty of time

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Speaker 1: to talk about him and Valtarie Botas in particular, the

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Speaker 1: ten time Grand Prix winner probably most closely associated with

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Speaker 1: his successful time at Mercedes, where he helped the team

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Speaker 1: to all the constructors' titles. Is this the end of

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Speaker 2: That's a big question that one, isn't it. And you're

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Speaker 2: saying it's most close to our line to Mercedes. It's

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Speaker 2: most closely lined to that glorious mustache.

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Speaker 1: Honest, that is not the mullet.

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Speaker 2: No, not the mullet so much. The mustache is just

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Speaker 2: a thing of beauty. I mean that gets Nigel Manswer envious,

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Speaker 2: Formula One for vow three, not because I don't think

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Speaker 2: he's good enough. I still absolutely think he is. He's

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Speaker 2: a ten time Rod Prix winner. That talent doesn't disappear

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Speaker 2: he's not had the machinery to demonstrate it. But where

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Speaker 2: the run of the mill stuff. It's just when everything clicks,

435
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Speaker 2: what is he capable of doing, and then what he's

436
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Speaker 2: like in terms of pace relative to Nico Holgenberg, who

437
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Speaker 2: is still a known quantity, if perhaps an unfulfilled one.

438
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Speaker 1: I think Holgenberg in many respect is an ideal benchmark,

439
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Speaker 1: because he's been proven this year even at heart is

440
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: quite quick in qualify. There's some question marks over how

441
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 1: good a bar or consistent about Kevin Maguson is pretty inconsistent,

442
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: I think is the answer, but certainly Magison can turn

443
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 1: it on from time to time, and in any case,

444
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: reaching Q three in a midfield car is always a

445
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,360
Speaker 1: pretty good barometer at Colgenberg's done that quite a few

446
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 1: times this year, but as Oliver Beerman shown, he's not unbeatable.

447
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: I suppose maybe that's makes him a bad benchmark, but

448
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: I just think it means that it's a realistic target

449
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Speaker 1: for Colo Pinto to reach. At the end of his

450
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Speaker 1: first year. He can be on par with Nico Holgenberg

451
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: in his first season a drive with that much experience

452
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 1: that would be a pretty good sign, but of course

453
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Speaker 1: there are those question marks around what the Salva car

454
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Speaker 1: is going to look like next year. The team feels

455
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Speaker 1: like it's a little bit of a mess. It's trying

456
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Speaker 1: to restructure and rebuild itself. Ahead about his debut, which

457
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 1: suddenly looms much sooner than it felt like when it

458
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 1: was announced all those years ago, and it feels like

459
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Speaker 1: they're running out of time to make a bit of

460
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Speaker 1: a splash. But that'll be the background of debut.

461
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Speaker 2: This is also Audi's you know formation foundation driver pairing.

462
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you assume so well, no, it is ourd.

463
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Speaker 3: Is confirmed it. This is the thing that dripped out.

464
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: It speaks to your point about the changes that are

465
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 2: happening at the Saber at the moment because it is

466
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: now owned by Audi. But you've still got the sober

467
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: side of things running some aspects of it, the Audi

468
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 2: side running out the relevents of it. So you had

469
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 2: the There were three emails that went out in quick

470
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 2: succession in terms of driver announcements from Salaba. One was

471
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: or there were to your boy, simultaneously being Vouchery and

472
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 2: Joe's departures, and then half an hour three quarts now

473
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Speaker 2: later there was Bortiletto's announcement, and then an hour or

474
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Speaker 2: so later there was an email from Audi which said

475
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Speaker 2: that this is the driver pairing for Aridi's first season

476
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Speaker 2: in Form one, which is of course twenty twenty six.

477
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Speaker 2: So we know that Bortiletto's got a multi year deal,

478
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 2: you know, the best of all deals, the multi year.

479
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 2: So I've just stole in your line there.

480
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Speaker 1: Mate, Yeah, like hearods, it's fine.

481
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know that's the other cool thing.

482
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Speaker 2: We now have a little bit of vision into twenty

483
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Speaker 2: twenty six, which given where that team has been, having

484
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 2: any sort of security is not a bad thing.

485
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. They'll take any kind of

486
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: reliability they can get at this point. Really, as they

487
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: ramp up to twenty twenty six. Let's talk about another

488
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: South American though, because this is the other element of

489
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Speaker 1: the driver market that's become really quite interesting, and that's

490
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Speaker 1: Franco Cola Pinto, who's replaced Logan Sergeant a couple of

491
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: months ago now, just shortly after the mid season break,

492
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Speaker 1: and has made a real splash with his first it's

493
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: been five or six races, now, how many races have

494
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Speaker 1: we had quite a few six races. Yeah, Brazil was

495
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Speaker 1: Maybe he's only his only false note, I guess, but

496
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: the conditions there were pretty treacherous and certainly more experienced

497
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Speaker 1: drivers than him were caught out by them. So I

498
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Speaker 1: think he's deserved to leave pass at least on the

499
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: body of work he'd shown up before that. Now there's

500
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: no room at Williams for him next year. They've got

501
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: Alex Albon and Carlos Sciences as well established, but there

502
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Speaker 1: is a competition to pry him away from Williams, where

503
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Speaker 1: he has a long term deal. William's boss James Bowser

504
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: said they're willing to negotiate over that. Hasn't said which

505
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: teams are involved. We know though Red Bull is one

506
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: of them because they've got their own driver conundrum. We've

507
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: talked about a lots EDGI of Perez. It's just not

508
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: doing very well. They've got Liamlawson now after sacking Downie Ricardo.

509
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: They could use another driver in that mix, but it

510
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: seems like Matt It's not the only team. We thought

511
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Speaker 1: maybe Saba was in the mix and they did have

512
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: some investigations, but never too seriously. It's Alpine, which is

513
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: signed up next year with Pierre Gasly and Australia's Jack

514
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Speaker 1: Dowan that has been sniffing around with Franco Cola Pinto's availability,

515
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Speaker 1: which would be a mighty twist.

516
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one that landed on my desk over

517
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Speaker 2: the Southlo Grand Prix weekend. Now we know Franco is

518
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Speaker 2: in high demand. He's shown himself to be a capable

519
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 2: young driver in the six.

520
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Speaker 3: Races he's had so far.

521
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Speaker 2: As you, I think, quite rightly and fairly say let's

522
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Speaker 2: give him a reprieve for Interlagos because condition there caught

523
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Speaker 2: out many more experienced drivers than he, so let's give

524
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Speaker 2: him that one as a bit of a free kick.

525
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Speaker 2: But what he's done is delivered five points in six

526
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Speaker 2: races for a long time ahead of our Pine getting

527
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: that surprise double podium last weekend. You know, he'd really

528
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Speaker 2: solidified William's position in the Constructors Championship, which is what

529
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Speaker 2: he was there to do. He was challenging Alex Alban

530
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Speaker 2: which is a hell of a thing to say, because

531
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Speaker 2: Alex Album is no slouch. So if you can come

532
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Speaker 2: in as a rookie and challenge Alex Album and put

533
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: pressure on a guy's established as that, you know Williams

534
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: famously told us the other weekend that it was his

535
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 2: hundredth grand pre weekend, so he's been around for a

536
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,479
Speaker 2: little while. That's again in implied credibility. So is there

537
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Speaker 2: any wonder that you get other teams who perhaps have

538
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: an interest come knocking. Now the one that is strange

539
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: is our pen Let's come back to that. Red Ball

540
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: makes perfect sense of the reasons you touched on.

541
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Speaker 3: It needs a.

542
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Speaker 2: Solution into Sergio Perrs and it needs that at the

543
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 2: start of this year, not the start of the next year.

544
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Speaker 3: Really, So that's why.

545
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: Liam Lawson is in the RB now, and at this

546
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Speaker 2: stage you'd still have to say that he's the front

547
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: runner for that SAT. However, I know conversations between Horner

548
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: and James Vows have taken place.

549
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: They met and it wasn't to.

550
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: Discuss coffee, as Vows suggested it was. So that's happening.

551
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Speaker 2: It's not imminent. It will take time to lock down

552
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: a deal if they get to one. But should they

553
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: land on a deal, you'd have to think that Colopino

554
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: is going to go into rent Bull, whn't you because

555
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: you're not going to spend some serious money and then

556
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: place a kid who clearly you think are enough to

557
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: spend that much money at the junior team, right.

558
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: That doesn't make sense to me.

559
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Speaker 1: It's an interesting question, and there are lots of different

560
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: ways you can try and cut the rationale forward, and

561
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: a good one is, as you say, it sounds like

562
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Speaker 1: it's going to cost them a lot of money. Or

563
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Speaker 1: William is certainly asking for a lot of money to

564
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: release Franco Colopinto from his long term contract, and like

565
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: you say, you're gonna spend a lot of money, you

566
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: may as well try and make the most of it.

567
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 1: If that is what happens, and he does end up

568
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: taking Sergio Peis a seat the end of next year,

569
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of repercussions in that one.

570
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: What a massive vote of no confidence in your own

571
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: driver program program that Halma Marco has been pushing increasingly

572
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: hard in the last twelve months as he's tried to

573
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: redirect RB to being the junior team it used to be,

574
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: and it's guys as Toro Rosso and Alpha Tower, and

575
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: that involved removing Downie Ricardo getting Liam Lawson back in there.

576
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: It's not a great vote of confidence out well, particularly

577
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: in those two guys. I mean, we already know Yuki

578
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: Sonoda is not viewed as Red Bull Racing material, but

579
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: Liam Lawson is in the mix there and he will

580
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: be overlooked by Franco Colopinto if this is what happens.

581
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: But then also massive vote of no confidence in your

582
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: younger guys that are coming up through the pipeline, and

583
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily the way it shouldn't be viewed, because

584
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: it seems doesn't really think that Isaac Cajo is quite

585
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: ready for Formula one as the most senior among that

586
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: junior program, and that's maybe fair enough. He's held the

587
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: championship lead left two and has had a pretty dreadful

588
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: run since then and has lost that lead. So look,

589
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: there's maybe that element of it. But then there is

590
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: that idea that you've got a guy who was thrown

591
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: to formul on very last minute, has had no Red

592
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: Bull connection. I guess Red Bull can they know fabd

593
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: about Alex album, so maybe believe his performance has been

594
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: even more impressive than they've looked even from the outside. Certainly,

595
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: his mental fortitude has been quite impressive considering the ways

596
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: debuted in Formula One. Throwing him straight into Red Bull

597
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: Racing would appear to be a big step because not

598
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: only is it one of the front runners, but you're

599
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: going there. It's essentially the same conditions that would have

600
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: applied to a mid season switch this year, which is

601
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: to score the point Serge Pais did not score. Next year,

602
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: he'll be expected to help the team win the Contructors

603
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: Championship and that's quite a lot of pressure. But then

604
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: you do think, and we were talking about this just

605
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: before we started recording, like on that basis, my mind

606
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: was like, well, then of course it should be Liam Lawson,

607
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: the more experienced drive it. But they'll actually arrive at

608
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: the end of the season with I think almost exactly

609
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: the same number of debuts, right or within one or

610
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: two race starts.

611
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: I think Colopinto will have nine and Liam will have eleven.

612
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: So hardly anything between last year five last year six

613
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: this year for liamb then nine for Franco. Yeah, I

614
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: think that sounds about right. And you know, the first

615
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: one for Liam last year, the Dutch Grand Prix, was

616
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: such a last minute exercise that you could almost just

617
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: consider you could almost discount that one. It's almost like

618
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: it's one Grand Prix really between them, and so on

619
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: that basis, well, maybe it makes at least as much

620
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: sense as putting Lawson in the car. And you could

621
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: still say, if you're Liam Lawson who's waited quite a

622
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: while to get in this car and then assume the

623
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: pathway was going to be to try and take surge

624
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: of Perry's the seat and needs to be served by

625
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: a total outsider, that there is still this talk that well,

626
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: maybe Max with staff and will leave the team the

627
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: next year or two, and then he would presumably be

628
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: the senior successor a lot of different ways. You can

629
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: mount the argument one way or another. I think it's

630
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: interesting into the mix. He waited yos for staff and

631
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: always interesting when he does wade into the mix, vouching

632
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: essentially for Liam Lawson as Max with Staffan's teammate next year.

633
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: Says he likes the idea that he could push his

634
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: son something I of think Max has ever really needed

635
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: help with, but that he would be a good fit

636
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: at that team. So there's clearly a little bit of

637
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: it's kit, a little bit of decision making, let's say,

638
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: let's put it in the most neutral way, decision making

639
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: going on at Red Bull over how to finally figure

640
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: out the driver lineup that's really caused so much trouble

641
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: this year.

642
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: This is the problem that it's been dealing with. It's

643
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: really manifested itself this year, but it's been dealing with

644
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: for a lot longer, really, since they lumped in for

645
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: Sergio Perris because there was no one better. Alex Alban

646
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: probably thrown in a little bit too early, maybe not

647
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: quite as sharp as they hoped he was. Give you

648
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: out after a couple of goes. Wasn't good enough. It

649
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: was a ghastly Similarly, probably thrown into too early, wasn't

650
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: maybe quite sharp off. You know, there's been this since

651
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: Riccardo left, there's been this lull in the Red Bull

652
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: program where they just haven't had that high quality youngster

653
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: come through and be able to consistently win races out

654
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: of their own junior program. And they're now in a

655
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: posum where they've potentially got that We still don't know

656
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: with Lawson Hadjar doesn't look quite the guy for the job.

657
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: But you know, I remain to be convinced of that

658
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: or have my mind changed, And I'm.

659
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: With you in that.

660
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: This is, you know, looking at Colopinto is not just

661
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: looking at fixing the Perez problem. This is covering off.

662
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: This is an insurance policy against Max doing something because

663
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: let's look at the end of twenty five, they lose

664
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: soon Oda, so that they need a driver there. Regardless

665
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: of anything else that happens, they will need a driver there.

666
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: So at that point you're looking at Hadja or lind

667
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: Lad Who's where in the program At that stage, I

668
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: actually think a year in super formula for the Haji

669
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: doing a world of good. But then let's start in

670
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: the mix exercises had enough and retires. Suddenly you need

671
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: two drivers and suddenly plugging a gap of that was

672
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: left behind by Yukisnoda, which is comparatively easy, Suddenly that's

673
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: not so easy. And then you've still got a field,

674
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: a competitive top tier lineup at Rebel Racing. Who have

675
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: you got if you don't take Colopinton. Now you've got

676
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: laws and and you're basically looking for three drivers in

677
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: the next year. And they're clearly unconvinced by Hajar, so

678
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: they're looking for three drivers have effectively acknowledged that they

679
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: don't have one parking Lema side now because he's easy

680
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: to formula one program.

681
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: So I'm talking purely about juniors. So that they need

682
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 3: three drivers.

683
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: They don't have one, so at least by bringing Colopinto in,

684
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: they've got two drivers and they can potentially foster their

685
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: way through to get two drivers if that's what's needed.

686
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: So I can see that being part of the consideration

687
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: as well, because you know, there's been all this talking

688
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: about Max going elsewhere and who knows whether that will

689
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: happen or not. But he's also been pretty consistent in

690
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: saying over the years that he's not going to race

691
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: in Formula one forever. He's not going to do a

692
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: Lewis Hamilton or Fernando Orlando. He's going to get to

693
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: the point where he's done in a walk away. That

694
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: could be at the end of this year for all

695
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: we know, that could be the end of next year.

696
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: So it makes a lot of sense bring in colo pinto.

697
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: What doesn't make sense to me is why our pin

698
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: has got any interest for a couple of reasons. The

699
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: only way I can rationalize it is that our pin

700
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: is interested in the money because ren I was looking

701
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: to reduce its exposure. We've seen that by the closure

702
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: of its power unit facility, saving it one hundred and

703
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: fifty million a year. You then look out. Okay, it's

704
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: got to set a driver a lineup. What does it

705
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: get out of Franco colo Pinto by replacing presumably Jack,

706
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: and I don't get okay. Franco has had a few

707
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: racism Formula one to show himself. Jack hasn't had that opportunity,

708
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: So we're not comparing apples with apples.

709
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: That's an unfair comparison.

710
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: It is an advantage in Franco's favor because he's had

711
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: that opportunity, but it's still not a fair like for lack.

712
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: What does it also say about Alpeen's junior program? What

713
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: does it say about our Peen senior management? And it

714
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: would be if this decision was made, it would be

715
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: the same management that's effectively signed Jack dowan As will

716
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: be sacking him and signing someone else. So it's a

717
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: poor indictment on our Peen management. If that is also

718
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: the case. If that happens, I don't believe it will.

719
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: I've written a story saying that it's a possibility, and

720
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: it is a possibility. I have reason to believe that

721
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: Alpine is having conversations and is chasing Franco colopinto, whether

722
00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: it has a realistic chance completely different scenario. Personally, I'm

723
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: strang I hope Jack Doing's on the grid next year.

724
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: That's my unabashed, what's word patriotic standpoint on it. But

725
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: that said, if Franco Calopinto isn't on the grid for

726
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: some reason, that would be equally devastating, because I think

727
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: he's earned the right to be there as well. I

728
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 2: just I don't know how that would fit with our Pene.

729
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: And it's a really really uncomfortable thought for a multitude

730
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: of reasons. And it all goes back to our Paine

731
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: announcing a young Australian and then he doesn't race for them.

732
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: Just speaks to that idea that there's a lot of

733
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: young guys pushing up, wasn't it, and a relatively late

734
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: realization that they're all pretty good, and let's hope that

735
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: Jack Dowan is not caught up in the rush to

736
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: try and get as many of them on board as possible.

737
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: Let's look now briefly, mat though, at the Brazilian or

738
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: the South Paolo Grand Prix at the weekend when and

739
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: wild probably the best way to describe, certainly the Sunday

740
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: and the latter part of Saturday when qualifying was called

741
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: off postponed to Sunday morning, reasonable time Australian for qualifying,

742
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: not so much for the Grand Prix.

743
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 3: So original qualifying or rescheduled qualifying.

744
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: The rescheduled qualifying, the rescheduled qualifying. I should reschedule it

745
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: every year. At that time, it was a seismic result

746
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 1: as well as a seismic schedule because Max was staffened one.

747
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: Now I have a bugbear with the statistics over this.

748
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: He won from seventeenth on the grid. There are only

749
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: fourteen cars ahead of him, I say one from fifteenth.

750
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: Either way, it was a pretty good win. I think

751
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: it's fair to say in the wet conditions. But the

752
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: championship permutations were equally clear. That is that Lando Norris,

753
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: who started from pole, had finished sixth and a relatively

754
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: uncompetitive six By the end of the race, is now

755
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: sixty two points off the championship leader, only eighty six remaining.

756
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: He must outscore Max was stappened by at least three

757
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: points in Las Vegas just to stay alive. Suddenly, the

758
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: championship that might have been able to go to Abu Dhabi,

759
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: maybe not competitively but just purely mathematically, could be over

760
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: as soon as a couple of weeks.

761
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 3: I called it a while ago. I think Max will

762
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: win it in Las Vegas.

763
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: And then Stefano Dominicali will turn into pure energy and

764
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: Formula one will be closed down for good because nothing

765
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: could possibly top a driver's championship being crowned in Las Vegas.

766
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: I think Rene Wilm would also turn into a little

767
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: bundle of energy as well. She's the she's the boss

768
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 2: of of Las Vegas Grand Prix. She's also quite senior

769
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: at Liberty Media. Actually tipped to be the next Steffan

770
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: Domnicali in some corners.

771
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: I like the idea that Stefano Dominicali is like a

772
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: James Bond figure, like they have to change their name

773
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: to that. That's the position of the title. But it's

774
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: a different it's a rotating list.

775
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: Of people Dominiculi, Stepano Dominica.

776
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, I've Alwaysto got the Contructor's Championship.

777
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: That's a proper yes, ticularly it's a three way fight,

778
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: but realistically it's only two that will go down to

779
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: Abi Dabie. But yeah, it's it's it's max Is to

780
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: lose at this point. He needs something pretty catastrophic to

781
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: go wrong. To see the championship. Have you done the

782
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: last couple of episodes, You've done your Well, Kimmy won

783
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 2: it from here, so it's not as bad as Kimmy

784
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: wonning a championship.

785
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 3: Comparison, Have you have you done that this week?

786
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: I could do some very quick.

787
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: I'll do some Philly if you do some maths. Yeah.

788
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: I mean what Max did in South Paolo was pretty extraordinary. Yes,

789
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: there was the help of the safety car. Yes, there

790
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: was the fact that he started P seventeen when they

791
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: were only about four cars in front of him, and

792
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: therefore it was only about that's a front rogue starting

793
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 2: spot for him. But he started to negotiate those conditions

794
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: not make a mistake. And it's not only that he

795
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: got to the lead. But I don't think he breached

796
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 2: track limits. I don't think there was ever a notice

797
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: on timing about him running wide or having a laptime

798
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: deleted or anything where pretty much every other driver had

799
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 2: at least one. So to do all that and then

800
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: to drive up the road to the tune that he did,

801
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: which is what was a nineteen point four seconds I

802
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: think at the check of flag, I mean, that's that's

803
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: pretty remarkable. And okay, yes, let's clarify that it was

804
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: over a couple of our penes and it wasn't you know,

805
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: the Ferraris or the McLaren's or whatever, but they just

806
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: didn't have the pace.

807
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: He did. He used it. He standards authority on that race.

808
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: I thought it was a really good, really good not

809
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: one of his best, you know, two or three, but

810
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 2: you know, certainly one of his top ten, top ten drives.

811
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: I think also really important, just in the context of

812
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: the last few well even last months, Christian Horner spoke

813
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: to the effect on and so Max was stapping in fact,

814
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: to the effect on the team which has been genuinely

815
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: struggling pretty much into mid season break even a little

816
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: bit before that, and not just struggling in terms of

817
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: pace here and there because McLaren Ferrari's caught up, but

818
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: some weekends genuinely just not understanding why it's not being

819
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: competitive on Sundays. Maybe there's still a little degree of that,

820
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: considering he adds such a wet race and such an

821
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: unusual weekend overall.

822
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: No water in the tip, that's what it is.

823
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's water outside the tires. He was part

824
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: of the part of the thing, but in the sprint

825
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: did look genuinely competitive. The sprint is a very particular

826
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: competitive field, I guess, so you can't necessarily extrapolate that.

827
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: But did look good. There was obviously dominant the race,

828
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: and then also for Max, forstapp and to I guess

829
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: answer some critics if you want to put it in

830
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: that way, after the last two races that have been well,

831
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: there have been many people heavily critical of the way

832
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: he's gone about his business in the last two races.

833
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: It wasn't that he won this in a will to

834
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: wield battle per se, but just did come out and

835
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: show well, actually, I can still boss this around, and

836
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: I can win this championship, and he will win this

837
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: championship unless Matt go the second greatest comeback of all

838
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: times to Lando Is So he needs a twenty point

839
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: six to six point turnaround over the last three races.

840
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: Kimmy Reichen's turnaround in two thousand and seven over the

841
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: last two races twenty one point two five points impressive,

842
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: tund so very very close, but not unprecedented. If your

843
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: land and iris for good luck.

844
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: I mean, let's face it, even if he if it's

845
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: mathematically moved out of possibility in Vegas. Maxtra always have

846
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: his points stripped away from him, and I mean there's

847
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 2: precedent for.

848
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: Me, isn't true?

849
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: That is true?

850
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 3: I mean who'd want to win a championship like that?

851
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, there you go. I must go back.

852
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: And rewatch that two thousand and seventh season because the

853
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: more I reflect on it, and it's come up a

854
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: few times in recent weeks, and also two thousand and

855
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: eight that was some extraordinary seasons. They really were.

856
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well absolutely, as the numbers point out there, and

857
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: just you've already touched on the constructors Championship. It's McLaren

858
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: that leads Forrari by thirty six points, so not so

859
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: much in the team's title picture, and Ferrari is expected

860
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: to be the form team in Las Vegas as it

861
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: was last year. Should still suit that car very much

862
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: in McLaren certainly says it's braced to be trying to

863
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: catch up with the next round, although it should have

864
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: things all its own way. And Kata Red Bull Racing

865
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: closed to within thirteen points of Ferrari largely more exclusively

866
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: pretty much thanks to Max with Staffan's victory. Ferrari did

867
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: have a pretty ropeye weekend. Wasn't quite there in the dry,

868
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 1: but then in the wet certainly not Carlos Signs crashed out.

869
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: So a bit of a messy weekend. But I don't

870
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: think that's enough to dent the optimism the team had

871
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: for its form leading up to this weekend, because I

872
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: think conditions here were just pretty unusual. But we do

873
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: wait and see. I guess we do have three quite

874
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: unusual tracks and circumstances coming up, so maybe it could

875
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: be mixed bag for everybody who knows. But that's the

876
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: real championship, Matt. Let's talk about the alternative championship, realite

877
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: in some hearts than the real championship. And that's fine.

878
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: This is the one that everyone wants to win. They

879
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: don't know it exists, but they all want.

880
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: Yes, they just don't know it yet.

881
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: I'll kick us off. I've been quite sensible here with

882
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: my first pick. I've got Max with Staffan and I've

883
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: given him twenty five points because he drove a good.

884
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 3: Race and won.

885
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: Hey, that is how it works.

886
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah, I mean, that's it's kind of all

887
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: I got for that one.

888
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: That's okay. I'm happy with that, I'm going to take

889
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: twenty five points off Lando Norris for describing Max Verstaffan's

890
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,479
Speaker 1: victory as being born of luck and not talent, which

891
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: I thought was a little bit petty of him. I

892
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: know he did expand later on to say, well, Max

893
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: would have lapped everyone he was that fast, so cou'd

894
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: be too critical of him. But red Flag there is

895
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: a degree of luck in that, and that you get

896
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: to change your ties for free. But it was an

897
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: active choice of Red Bull and Max to stay out

898
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: because they read the conditions and thought, well, there's probably

899
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: pretty good chance it's gonna be quite a b accident

900
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: in these conditions, and they took that risk, stayed out

901
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: and didn't change tires when everyone else did. When Nico

902
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: Holkenberg spun off the road under the VC or under

903
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: the safety car, that ensued and they won big for that.

904
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: So luck and not talent I think was grossly unfair

905
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: for a man who's lost the Driver's Championship lead that

906
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: he says sometimes was on but the team says, now, well,

907
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: they're never really aiming for anyway. I thought was a

908
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: little bit pity.

909
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 3: I think that's that's that's fair enough. Yeah, I mean,

910
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 3: the red flag rules awkward, and that has been for

911
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 3: a long time, and it all goes to this.

912
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: You know, the drivers must use two different compounds of

913
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: tire and they drive with a race and all that nonsense.

914
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: It's just I hate it.

915
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: It's just an excuse to talk about Perelli. But yeah,

916
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: let's let's move on, staying on the rewarding appropriate to

917
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: the race result. I'm going to take one point away

918
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: from Lance Stroll, Oh okay, because he was minus one

919
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: lap in the race.

920
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: Very good, didn't he didn't even his lap? I like that.

921
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. You know what, I'm going to

922
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: go straight to mine because I took fifty points off

923
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: Lance Stroll. So we might as well talk a little

924
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: bit of lands Stroll here. There is now like a

925
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: look in conditions like this, it is not absolutely egregious

926
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: to lose your car on the formation, especially if the

927
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: team says that had break problems, which always finds problems

928
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: with Lancetroll's car when he makes mistakes. But look to

929
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: be fair for and and made mistakes too, said some

930
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: similar thing. It's not so much that he went off

931
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: on the formation lap, is that he chose to rejoin

932
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: by traveling across a gravel trap in wet condition.

933
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: Perfectly good escape road at the back of the head.

934
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: And he did this just well, probably just minutes, let's

935
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: be honest, after the team completed fairly significant repairs for

936
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: his car after crashing and qualifying. What a dreadful way

937
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: to repay him. We can contrast that to Fernando Alonso

938
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: a different circumstances, of course, but who was suffering terrible

939
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: back pain. You might have seen a video of him

940
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: getting quite gingerly out of his car after the race

941
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: and said I would retire, but I think it was

942
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: out of it. He was out of the points, wasn't he?

943
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: But I want to pay back the work of the

944
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: mechanics and finish the race in the car they rebuilt

945
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: for me after I crashed it in in Q three

946
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. I just thought, it's not even

947
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: necessarily like poor form from Lance. It's just so thoughtless

948
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: in the context that I had to take points off him.

949
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: It's just so silly.

950
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: It's just on brand for him Singapore Grand Prix last year,

951
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: where he crashed out a big way in qualifying, they

952
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: rebuilt his current then he he was cleared medically to

953
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: race and then suddenly he wasn't he was tired, Yeah.

954
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: Of going racing.

955
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: Apparently we didn't want to spend two hours racing at

956
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: the back of the field in Singapore. Yeah, it's it's yeah.

957
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: I have a lot of thoughts on that. Probably better

958
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: I don't air them here.

959
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: Right, Actually, speaking of thoughts that shouldn't be aired, let's

960
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: move on to my third pick.

961
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: Johnny Herbert.

962
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, yes, I'm here for this.

963
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: The FIA driver Steward in Mexico.

964
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: Was obviously part of the group that penalized MAXA Stappan

965
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: in Singapore, was the Mexico performing the same role obviously

966
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: handed Max's penalties there and then between Mexico and Brazil

967
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: gave an interview.

968
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: Now, a lot of these former drivers, now, oh yes,

969
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: I'm glad.

970
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: You has relationships with betting companies or online casinos or

971
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: whatever they are. So they give interviews and they are

972
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: all sort of deliberately incendiary in many respects. Johnny's given

973
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: one of these in which he's made some critical remarks

974
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: of Maxis Stappin and Johnny Herbert as a form of

975
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: racing driver three time Grand Prix winner absolutely perfectly entitled

976
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: to make those comments and criticisms. He's perfectly credentialed, that's

977
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: well within his remit as a pundit, but not when

978
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: he's an FIA stewart. So he's taken off the FAA

979
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 2: shirt given this interview, and then a couple of days

980
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: later he's put the FIA shirt back on, and then

981
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: while he's there, called chy leclair In for swearing at

982
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: a press conference and find him ten thousand euros. So

983
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: for that hypocrisy with Maxis Stappin's penalty of community service

984
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: and the comments that I think are wholly unbecoming of

985
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: an FAA steward, regardless of his expertise as a driver.

986
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: I'm finding Johnny Herbert ten thousand points, half of which

987
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: are suspended depending another repeat incident.

988
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: Very good. I like that a lot. I'm very much

989
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 1: in agreement with you as well. I don't mind him

990
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: being a pundit, but just don't comment on the race

991
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: as you're stewarding on like I understand stewards of volunteers,

992
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: which means I don't think it's fair to say he

993
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: should never be able to comment on Formula one. But

994
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: if you've stewarded, if you've adjudicated on that race. I

995
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: think it is totally inappropriate few to then subsequently commented

996
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: on it, comment on it directly as well, like you

997
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: spars specifically and talked specifically about that race, not in

998
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: general terms. And I think that that just I don't

999
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: think that's too much to ask, even if you've got

1000
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: a contract with Lose my Money dot biz.

1001
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: Or whatever it is.

1002
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: I mean, every email I get from these casinos, the

1003
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: website names get more and more bizarre as well. It's

1004
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: just this lacks credibility.

1005
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: I keep getting emails encouraging me to look at this

1006
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: new study that they've just which is actually just they've

1007
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: tottered up the number the amount of penalties that drivers

1008
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: have chalked up this year.

1009
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 3: You've just looked at a bunch of documents. It's not

1010
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: really a study.

1011
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 2: Who's got the calculator out and pressed a few few buttons.

1012
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: Yes, I do like that, A little sneak behind the

1013
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: world of a sneak peek behind the world of press

1014
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: releases informdile one. To wrap things up, I'm going to

1015
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: end it on a positive note. Believe it or not,

1016
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: we got ten points to both the FIA and Formula

1017
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: one for being what I thought was refreshingly proactive with

1018
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: rescheduling the weekends running to Sunday morning and not just

1019
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: moving qualifying Sunday mornings. That's the easy part, but rescheduling

1020
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: Sunday to give themselves the maximum opportunity to get the

1021
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: race done. If the rain was as bad as a forecast,

1022
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: then it wasn't quite that bad. So everything got away

1023
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: without a hitch. Really, we lessually Williams or any of

1024
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: the teams are crashed, but generally terms, everything worked fine.

1025
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: And in the past, not that long ago, that would

1026
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: never have happened. You know, we've I think we both have.

1027
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: Matt sat in media centers in Japan with typhoons bearing

1028
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: down and everyone refusing to do anything about it. So

1029
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: I thought that was quite good. I thought that was

1030
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: quite clever. You know, broadcasters can and Fox Sports being

1031
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: one of them, but we can deal with it. It's possible

1032
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: to just take the satellite for have it well. I

1033
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: don't know how it works, but at a different time,

1034
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: and I'm glad they did pull the trigger, even though

1035
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like would have been affected in the end.

1036
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: But if anything, that's even more reason to give points

1037
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: because they made sure that we got the running in

1038
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 1: and the fans loved it. Look, it was a great audience

1039
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: there had always is in Brazil. It's good for them.

1040
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: They were queuing up, as I believe, from like five

1041
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: in the morning to make sure they were there when

1042
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: gates opened or some silly time. It just really worked

1043
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: for everyone. So it points to them.

1044
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 2: That's a fair, fair comment there, because yeah, it turned

1045
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: it into a torture with Sunday for us, but we're

1046
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: in the minority, you know.

1047
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: For the most part, we got qualifying, we've got a race.

1048
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: They were entertaining encounters, punishing encounters for some of the teams.

1049
00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was good.

1050
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: And that there was some common sense taken as well.

1051
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: It's just a it's a step in the right direction,

1052
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: isn't it.

1053
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very good. Well done. Well done Formula one,

1054
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: Formula one, well done to Baku. Now well done. Anyway,

1055
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: that's all the time. We have a bit talk today.

1056
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: We'll be back in a couple of weeks to preview

1057
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: the Las Vegas Grand Prix. Until then, you can subscribe

1058
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,759
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1059
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,920
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1060
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,600
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1061
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: throughout the next couple of weeks at Fox Sports dot com,

1062
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: dot a U and Speedcafe dot Com. From Matt Cosh

1063
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: and me Michael Lamonado, Thanks very much for company and

1064
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Speaker 1: we'll catch you later this month.