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Speaker 1: The State Voice to Parliament has come up in State

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Speaker 1: Parliament a number of times in the last few days

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Speaker 1: and two revelations. One is there have been four resignations

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Speaker 1: from the forty six people elected to the Essay Voice

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Speaker 1: earlier this year, not perhaps unusual in that number of people.

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Speaker 1: There's sixty nine State MPs and since the last state

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Speaker 1: election in twenty twenty two, there have been three resignations

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Speaker 1: from State Parliament in Stephen Wade former Health Minister, Stephen Marshall,

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Speaker 1: former Premier, and David Spears, former Leader of the Opposition,

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Speaker 1: who have quit Parliament for various reasons since the March

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Speaker 1: twenty two election. The Voice elections were or only a

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Speaker 1: few months ago, so perhaps four in that time is

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Speaker 1: unusual in that space of time, but nevertheless four have

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Speaker 1: have gone. More concerning, I think, is the revelation that

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Speaker 1: a highly respected order and what's more, South Australia's senior

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Speaker 1: South Australian of the Year, who has advocated for First

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Speaker 1: Nations people his whole life and did so recently in

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Speaker 1: the media regarding police extra police powers in Port Augusta.

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Speaker 1: This is the fact that a declared precinct has been

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Speaker 1: declared in the town to curb some of the anti

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Speaker 1: social issues they've been experiencing, their graffiti and smashed windows

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Speaker 1: and the like. And was told by he's on the voice,

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Speaker 1: and was told by people on the voice, not elected

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Speaker 1: people appointed people by the government, to not speak on

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Speaker 1: the issue. And he is that angry about it. I

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Speaker 1: understand he's considering resigning. I'm talking about Charlie Jackson, who

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Speaker 1: is on the line now. Charlie, good morning, Yeah, good morning,

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time. You must be shattered to

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Speaker 1: be told not to speak. You've done it your whole

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Speaker 1: life in terms of advocating for people. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've actually nominated myself to be the representative on

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Speaker 2: the voice for my constitutions in my region. And now

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Speaker 2: that I've been told that if i have to, if

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Speaker 2: I am intent to speak into the media, that I've

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Speaker 2: got to get direction or the people within the administration

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Speaker 2: the secretariat will will help me to be able to

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Speaker 2: prepare the media statement. So yeah, no, that's not me.

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Speaker 2: You know, I believe that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've.

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Speaker 2: Actually been elected by my people in Whale of Portugust,

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Speaker 2: the corn Orca, the Flinders and to be the voice

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Speaker 2: for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're an elected person. Now that's you know, even

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Speaker 1: if you're a private citizen, you're allowed to speak. And

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Speaker 1: I would think no one tells state MPs. We wish

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Speaker 1: they'd keep their mouth shut sometimes, but no one tells

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Speaker 1: them they can't speak. That's their job. You would be

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Speaker 1: no different.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean all my life for the last fifty years,

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Speaker 2: I've always advocated for the First Nations people, but mainly

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Speaker 2: people are less fortunate in our community who cannot speak

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Speaker 2: for themselves. And that's the role that I've been doing

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Speaker 2: for well over fifty to sixty years of my career

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Speaker 2: and I will continue to do that and an organization

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Speaker 2: that the Voice is not going to stop me from

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Speaker 2: doing that.

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Speaker 1: So what's the next step If they tell you can't speak,

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Speaker 1: would you resign? Would you become the fifth person to resign?

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Speaker 2: Well, I will make this quite clear. If, for example,

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Speaker 2: that don't change the policy or whatever the way that

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Speaker 2: individual Voice members are allowed to speak to the media, it's

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Speaker 2: quite possible that I will surrender my position of being

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Speaker 2: a member of the Voice in the region of third

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Speaker 1: So I would imagine for people who voted for you,

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Speaker 1: for people who care about the issues you want to

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Speaker 1: talk about. It's important they not just hear from you,

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Speaker 1: but from all the people elected to the Voice.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean, unfortunately, the Voice itself was

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Speaker 2: not compulsory for every average person should vote on the

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Speaker 2: electoral role in my region that there was surrounded and

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Speaker 2: fifty plus that have voted. And out of the surando

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Speaker 2: and fifty, I've perceived about twenty percent of the Voice

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Speaker 2: that people that have voted for me. So, in other words,

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Speaker 2: that gives me a platform to be able to up

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Speaker 2: and reppit my people in this region.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So if they tell you can't speak publicly, well

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Speaker 1: what's the point of being on the voice?

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Speaker 2: That's correct, And I just hope that common sense will

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Speaker 2: prevail first and that they give me the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: be able to express myself because you know, as an

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Speaker 2: individual that I've just been progressing and continually, that I

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Speaker 2: get recognition on a statewide level and so on, and

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Speaker 2: because for the simple reason that people support me for

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Speaker 2: expressing myself on behalf of other people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Charlie. What's the Voice been doing in

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Speaker 1: the few months relatively that it's been running now, is

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Speaker 1: it worthwhile. Do you think you've made improvements achievement in

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Speaker 1: early days, but do you think it's a viable, worthy,

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Speaker 2: Be hones as we do. I think it's a toothless tiger.

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Speaker 2: It's I can't see where it's going to go from here,

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Speaker 2: because I mean the I mean, the problem with the

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Speaker 2: bill that was passed in parliament last year is that

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Speaker 2: you know, if there's a change of government, and I'm

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Speaker 2: hundred percent sure the next government that comes into into

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Speaker 2: power in South Australia will delete, will destroy the bill.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: So in other words, that again that the first nation

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Speaker 2: people in South Australia that you know, we will be

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Speaker 2: elevated up there up the top and then just as

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Speaker 2: a result of a stroke of a pin, then it

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Speaker 2: will be destroyed. So all that, all that sort of

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Speaker 2: confidence and the recognition and so on will will be

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Speaker 2: just thrown out the out.

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Speaker 1: The door, all right. So for the meantime, what are

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Speaker 1: you proposed to do? Just will you continue to speak out?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've been doing it for the last fifty years

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Speaker 2: or more, and I think you know, in the last

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks or whether it's not going to stop

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Speaker 2: me from tanging my ways.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's the voice, isn't it. Not to lose

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Speaker 1: your voice?

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Speaker 2: Well, I believe that I've actually developed a really good

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Speaker 2: connection now, you know, not only through the political system,

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Speaker 2: but through the media is as well. And from that

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Speaker 2: point of view that people tend to respect my judgment

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Speaker 2: in terms of you know, when I express myself for

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Speaker 2: whatever the policy might be. And I will continue doing.

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Speaker 1: That, all right, Charlie, appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Jackson, who is in the Portagusta area and represents

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Speaker 1: people in that part of our state and angered to

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Speaker 1: get a phone call from the voice admin team after

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Speaker 1: he spoke to the media regarding the zone put him

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Speaker 1: by police in Port Augusta and told not to talk

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Speaker 1: to the media, Which kind of defines the point of

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Speaker 1: a voice, doesn't it to some degree? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: get it it's meant to represent state Parliament, but surely

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Speaker 1: people elected to the body are no different to politicians.

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Speaker 1: As elected officials, they should be able to speak. As

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Speaker 1: I said, we often wish politicians wouldn't, but they do,

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Speaker 1: and frankly, the voice should be no different people on

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Speaker 1: that frank Pangalo is the person who raised it in

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Speaker 1: State Parliament this week, and he joins me, now, Frank,

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Speaker 1: good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning. Maybe do you want me to speak?

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Speaker 1: I always want you to speak, Frank, So.

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Speaker 3: Look, good morning, Matte. Look, this is a very disturbing development.

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Speaker 3: I have to tell you right. And I've actually been

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Speaker 3: asking questions for the Aboriginal affairsmans, be Chai and Math

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Speaker 3: about the Voice to Parliament for some time now. And

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Speaker 3: you know, we haven't heard anything from the Voice since

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Speaker 3: it was assembled after the election, with some members getting

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Speaker 3: elected with only a handful of votes and a poor

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Speaker 3: turnout for the ballot. Now in Parliament, we haven't heard

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Speaker 3: booth from them since they were elected in March, apart

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Speaker 3: from a meeting Greek, although Chime says cabinet had had

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Speaker 3: a couple of recent meetings over two pieces of legislation. Now,

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Speaker 3: despite what the governed might tell you, and as you've

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Speaker 3: heard from Charlie, serious cracks are are appearing inside the Voice,

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Speaker 3: And after more questioning this week from me to Kim, Yes,

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Speaker 3: He's reveal that there have been four resignations from the

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Speaker 3: body of the Voice, including one of the presiding members.

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Speaker 3: As for Charlie, he's actually our nominee for Senior Australian

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Speaker 3: of the Year. He's a very distinguished aDNA Muttner elder

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Speaker 3: and a titleist advocate for his people. And look, he's

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Speaker 3: thinking about resulting. I certainly hope he doesn't, because the

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Speaker 3: But just because he expressed his concerns that there were

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Speaker 3: attempts to you know, his concerns over the increased police

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Speaker 3: presence in Port A Gasca, which has now a declared

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Speaker 3: public precinct precinct. Well, somebody from inside the Voice has

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Speaker 3: said to Charlie, will hang on, you shouldn't be declaring

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Speaker 3: you're a member of the Voice when making statements really,

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Speaker 3: you know, by trying to get into distance himself from

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Speaker 3: the Voice when he's making a statement that actually concerns

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Speaker 3: him and the people he represents. Now, isn't that what

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Speaker 3: the Voice is for. He's our nominee for Seenior Australia

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Speaker 3: the Year.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that I've raised here that is also

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Speaker 3: of concerned that year, I've been trying to find out

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Speaker 3: how many and which public servants government employees are on

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Speaker 3: the Voice. Now Kime mar won't tell me, and I

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Speaker 3: they getting paid by the government for their regular full

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Speaker 3: for being on the voice, and he dismisses my concerns

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Speaker 3: and others that there might be a perceived conflict of

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Speaker 3: interest here. Now, you know, hang on a set. Time's

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Speaker 3: trying to bat it away and saying it's not unusual

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Speaker 3: to have government employees on various boards and in other areas. Now, yep,

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Speaker 3: that that is true, but this is very different. Boards

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Speaker 3: don't shape or help determine policy directions or influence pieces

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Speaker 3: of legislation, and you want to know who they are

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Speaker 3: and which departments they work in.

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Speaker 1: All right, We put in a call to Kime, the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General, to come on and talk about this this morning,

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Speaker 1: but he's able. Unfortunately, Hey, while I have you and

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Speaker 1: we have to go, you want to talk about something else,

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Speaker 1: to give people a chance to have their older cars

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Speaker 1: inspected for road worthing.

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Speaker 3: Well, absolutely, myself and the mtaas are sponsoring a free

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Speaker 3: vehicle inspection day on the twenty fourth of November, and

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Speaker 3: if your vehicle is more than six years old and

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Speaker 3: less than twenty five years old and a standard model

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Speaker 3: with no modifications, we want you to bring your vehicle

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Speaker 3: to the MTA for a road safety checkup.

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Speaker 4: And it's important that we have vehicles on the road

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Speaker 4: that are safe and that people also when they are

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Speaker 4: buying vehicles privately, also have confidence that buying a road

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Speaker 4: worthy vehicle. Now, this is something that I'll be announcing

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Speaker 4: next week that I'll be doing, but there's an opportunity

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Speaker 4: for people to bring their cars. We've only got limited

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Speaker 4: spaces for them.

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Speaker 3: To do it next week. So if you want to

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Speaker 3: have your vehicle check, if you've only recently bought a

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Speaker 3: secondhand vehicle privately and you think there might be something wrong,

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Speaker 3: or you want to just get a check to make

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Speaker 3: sure that it's roadworthy, here's an opportunity for you to

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Speaker 3: do it. And I wouldn't I would also like to

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Speaker 3: hear from people who've had a bad experience buying a

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Speaker 3: vehicle privately on places like Marketplace recently, and three out

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Speaker 3: of four vehicles that are bought today secondhand vehicles are

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Speaker 3: bought privately, and you don't know what you're buying. That

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Speaker 3: you say, Look, if people want to bring their vehicle in,

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Speaker 3: can give you the I can leave the number with Tammy,

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Speaker 3: or I can give it to you now eight two

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Speaker 3: can get in and bring your vehicle down and.

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Speaker 1: Let's check it over all right, Good on you, Frank,

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Speaker 1: appreciate the time. Thank you, Thank you very much, Maggie,

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Speaker 1: Frank Pangelo, Upper House MP and State Parliament