WEBVTT - Finals Race Heats Up 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.200 Hello, Welcome to the Daily Telegraph in or podcast from 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.400 joined Brent Reed John by Fatima Tyson Jackson. How are 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.360 we kids? We're good, good kids. It was a bit. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:20.840 To us. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:24.920 I'm an old man cook a great here to prove it. 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:27.440 How did you play footy? On the Buzz said he 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:28.840 went and watched you play? Is that right? 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:30.720 Yes? He did. 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:31.880 He said you were very good. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:36.159 I appreciate that. From the Big said you lost? Yeah, 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.640 we lost by try. Yeah, it went down, went down 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:41.160 to the wire, last player of the game. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:42.000 We had a. 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.239 Shift down now being made a breaking scan to put a. 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.040 Kick back on the inside and it's it's gone over 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:48.360 the side. 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.240 Were there any inspirational words from Buzz before the game 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:53.640 or any motivational speeches from the Great Man? Oh? 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.320 Look, you just looked to his credit, he came for 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:58.160 reserve grade, washed all the way up to a grade 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:00.280 and year before before I ran out and just tapped 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.240 me on the shoulder and said go hard and good luck. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.080 So wait, did he literally go specifically to watch you? 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.520 Well, I mean, let's not say that, but he was there. 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.080 He was there to support my great club carrying bar. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.880 Yeah, yeah, So it was down in the Shire Okay. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.360 Yeah, we're playing Como though, which is like real inland 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:18.720 for Buzz. Buzz is more on the water. 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.240 Yeah, truly, Buzz had nothing to do on. 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:28.000 Sunday, Saturday, Yeah, giving at three o'clock in the afternoon 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.280 kickoff and he was there and yeah, he was there 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:31.160 for a long time. 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:32.920 And it sounds he was a real He said death 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.920 for you because you're lost a bit like pe on 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.800 the weekend. I know, it's stunning, upset the camera. Are 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.720 they in trouble? Do we think they're in trouble to 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:48.080 fourth now play Melbourne first week of the row. 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:53.320 They do have a favorable run home, but I think 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.600 they do look a little bit shaky and there's a 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.040 lot going on right and we sort of know that 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.440 Nathan could be back for that first week of the finals, 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.200 but it's not like a return date that's set in stone. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.519 Dylan Edwards is clearly playing hampered. You know. I wrote 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.160 about it in the tackle. There was a moment there 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:15.720 where he was just completely just beaten defensively by Albert Hoppa. 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:17.720 White just blew past him and that's not something that 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:19.720 you normally see from Edwards. You can see he's got 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:23.519 no power in his knee. He has play a ground 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.360 final with the broken foot, so you know, in terms 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.919 of that, like he's a tough guy. But what I 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:33.119 find and obviously not having Nathan Cleary is a massive. 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.040 Impact significant but he goes all right, that kid. 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.000 He does and you know if he does come back 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.120 all of a sudden, whether they finish fourth or not, 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.280 Like you rate their chances right, but. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.000 The issue for Nathan is when he comes back, whether 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:51.240 he's what sort of shape is with that shoulder. So yeah, 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.160 but I mean only are raving lunatic would write off Penrothal, 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.800 would think regardless of where they finished, each. 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.639 Time Nathan's come back from injury, he hasn't skipped a beat. 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.840 So and it's one of those ones where I mean 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.320 you think back to Jerome the way the last years, 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.800 going from last year's grandfl playing with that shoulder injury 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.040 twenty minutes ago, it comes out. So there's always that 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.200 risk that that will happen to Nathan. So they have 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.720 to sort of pick the perfect time to bring him back. 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:22.960 But if you watch the week before against the Storm, 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.959 like Craig Bellamy had a pretty good blueprint and how 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.959 to beat them, you know they targeted to they kicked 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:30.959 a toto on the last they tested him under the 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.880 highball and that and with Edward's already impacted with that knee, 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.920 they really blunted the impact of their back three. And 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.680 I think Cambo tried to replicate that a little bit 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:45.520 yesterday and had some success. So that worries me more 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.080 than their injuries. The fact that teams are beginning to 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.520 sort of figure out how you can stop Penrith. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.360 When was the last time they lost two in a row? 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:58.200 The study, Yeah, shut, I don't know if there is 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.080 a blueprint blueprint to beating and I know Melbourne targeted. 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.400 The teams have been targeting Brian Tye for how long 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.400 have you? I mean, he's a small man for a winger, right. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.839 Just in terms of the high ballreadio. I mean by 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.920 going to him for the first tackle, they rubbed him 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.040 out from place two and three, which impacted his yardage game. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.480 So that's where they figured that out. So they doubled 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.159 his kick run meters pretty much in that game. And 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.440 I'm not saying that's the reason why. Like obviously, you 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.159 know they've had guys who've been in and out of 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:32.040 the side, guys playing injured. You know, but there's still 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.159 two weeks to go and they still have nothing clearer 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:35.920 to come back, So you're not putting. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.640 A lot I reckon twice you're worried about. 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.080 Him, like like you said, you'd have to be mad 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.360 to count Penrith out there. Yeah, they're playing busted at 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.800 the moment, but it's sides like this, and I guess 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.440 times like this that you can really see what a 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:54.360 team's made of. And yeah, I mean Penrith, they've seen 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:58.360 adversity before, and Nathan back. You got the likes of 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:02.000 Paul Alamoni who hurting through New Southwest Cup, who could 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.240 come back, Scott Soris and Soney Tara is not playing 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.120 at the moment. These are all guys that have been there, done. 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.200 They're not all the money yet, but he's proved this 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.520 year that he's capable of being in that team. And 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.040 when they come back, you know, and Edwards gets a 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.240 bit more minutes, Yeah, everything will starts fall into place. 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:23.600 So I can see I'm finishing top four and then finals. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.719 Is their bread and butter. They know what to do 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:25.400 on the big stage. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.360 It's interesting in the top four. It's funny you say, 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.440 I could see them finishing top four. I mean even 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:36.000 the mere fact that you say that suggests. You know, look, 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:37.720 I think if they finish out to the top four, 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:39.919 they can't win it. If you're in the top four 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.560 and Nathan comes back, I mean there are it's Penrith, right, 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.640 So but the top four is really interesting because now 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:52.080 the Rusters are in second and I were talking before 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.600 the show, I mean by staying second of Coronella are 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.240 now and third. If the Rusters play Cronella, it really 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.479 works in their favorite because they've got a horrific record 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.120 against the p and a horrific record that won one 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.400 of the last twenty against Melbourne and Penrith. So if 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.760 they avoid them a week one of the finals, they 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:08.599 won't have to meet them till the pre lem So 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.080 I think it really counts. I think it's a huge 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.320 couple of weeks. And look, Melbourne of minor Premier has 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:16.120 done dusted, but I think it's crucial for that those 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.719 next three spots because Canterbury in the mix as well. Right, 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.920 you know that's going to be huge. How that plays out, 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:24.760 I reckon because the Roosters look really good. 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.359 At the moment, but that top four spot might be 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.680 in terms of Canary because they play the Seagulls, so 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.400 they that might help that decide whether or not they're 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:34.800 going to be a chance for the top four in 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.240 that final round. 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.600 But yet we're even talking about Canniby making the top four. 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:40.720 It's ridiculous. 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:42.280 Wait did you have them with? No? 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.520 I didn't have them last Who did you have that? 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.560 I can't remember. I'm pretty sure I didn't have them. 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:47.599 Was it the dragons? 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:49.080 The dragons? 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.240 It might have been the dragons. I don't know, I 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.400 can't remember. It was a long time ago. 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.200 It wasn't long to d I think the dragon. 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:02.280 Okay, the dragons. Actually can't remember my head. Drag it out, 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:03.240 don't we? 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:12.400 Well you don't you drink the drinks the tigers. So yeah, 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.480 but it's the same with the dragons sort of, you know, 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.680 who would have a lot of people said they had 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.600 the quote unquote worst roster, the least fancy roster of 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.040 the season. But yeah, Canabary. I mean, what they've done 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.040 this year, the way they've managed to turn it around 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:28.040 has been incredible. 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.160 Sort of player. You look at that top four though, 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.040 I mean, it's hard to see the roosters go Canvas South. 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:37.800 They should win both those games, right, the sharksko Warriors mainly, well, 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.280 they'll beat the what they should beat the Warriors mainly's 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.040 But if I think that games is a game of 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.880 brook At Games of Brooklyn or sorry four Points Park 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.840 and Pendy goes South Titans, they should win both them. 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.920 So look, I mean, Cannaby's top four hoes for lot 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.200 probably rely on the Sharks losing that last game. To me, 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.160 and I can't remember what they're folling against the like that. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.320 You know, I would have thought the top four is 0:07:58.320 --> 0:07:59.560 probably going to stay as is. 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.480 What's it's hard to beat Manly in Manly. 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.520 Yeah, and then you look at the Sharks game this week. 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.920 Sean Johnson should be playing. That will be his last 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.400 game ever. You know, they turn up there at Shark Park. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.800 We've seen it happen before, the Warriors at that same ground. 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.200 They just you know, they flick a switch. They can 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.240 play good footy and that can really disrupt everything for 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:21.640 the Sharks. 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.400 From the Sharks, it's been very good. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.880 Dan Atkinson, I mean, has been a great find this year. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.960 What do you do when Nico comes back, because. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:31.960 I know you have to put him in the top 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:33.440 you have to put him in the team. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.000 But how good a bench? 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.440 Yeah, well, is that you going to take a forward 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.360 off the bench to play Atkinson. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.160 In the top seventeen? 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.960 Probably I'd probably stick him on. Well, fitz he's talked 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.920 him up yesterday after the after the game and said 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:50.280 he deserves to hold his spots. So yeah, but Nico 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:51.079 walks straight back. 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.200 Definitelyause you would have to say you'd probably find a 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.520 spot for Atkinson in their best seventeen. He can be 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.440 a real game breaker. You can play almost anywhere on 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.439 the field, So I think you just stick. 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.199 Him on the bench and move on. Right. 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.400 But the way they're like, their forwards have been playing 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.520 the last couple of weeks and dominated the Dragons yesterday 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.960 at the same time that that contributed a lot to 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.480 their victory. So you wonder if FITZI is reluctant to 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.360 change that forward protection do you know what I mean? 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:24.640 Like Oregon is paying some good foot do you know 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:26.880 what I mean? So they've got that forward pack has 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.920 a good rhythm going at the moment, So it's. 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:32.280 You're not Brailey off at all. 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.720 Brayley's probably been He's not been spoken about very much, 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:40.480 but he's been He's been very very good for the Sharks, 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:44.040 and yeah he was. He caused the Dragons all source problems, 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:45.240 especially at the start of that game. 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.840 We disappointed that. We'll look at the bottom mate, now, 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.080 were you disappointed with the Dragons or what do we 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:54.160 think performance? I just think they're not in the same 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.000 class as that. They're not the top team. 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.199 It depends what week you're asking, because one week they 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.400 look like world be and the next week into the plane. 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.559 Yeah, the problem, but the recordings from the good teams. 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.280 I mean, I know they beat Melbourne a few weeks ago, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.000 but the Rooster put the cleaners through the Carnelius put 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:13.480 the cleaners through them. I can't have the audience Penrith 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:13.800 this year. 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:18.280 I can't remember, but because yeah, it's they had a 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.760 big game against the Dogs. This was another big game 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.559 at home, both of them important for their top eight ramifications, 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.440 and I just felt like energy wise, they just weren't. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.040 They didn't match the opposition on both occasions, and I 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.400 think that's been part of their problem, just that inconsistency. 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:34.800 Having said that, we know that they tend to bounce back, 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:39.800 so while they were, they're probably you know, you know, 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:41.559 you look at them if they do squeeze into the eight. 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.439 They're probably one of the teams that are making up 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.120 the numbers, so to speak. But they're definitely improved, like 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.000 you said, but there is a massive I think in general, 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.760 like there's still a class that you know, there's the 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.760 top four. Maybe you can add Cannery in there now, 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:59.959 but the rest of the top eight is the other 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:01.360 the teams are a class above them. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.400 Well, they're one year into a rebuild, right, they make 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.600 huge strides this year and they'll be and they'll be 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:07.720 they'll be better next year. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:08.520 I've looked this up. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.400 Well, then they come. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.480 So you went Dragons would and Spiron? 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:15.040 Wow? 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:17.720 You know he went with the premiers, right, the Broncos 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.199 always Yeah, I think a lot of people did. 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:31.080 They have been duds anyway, it's a chance perps, God 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:38.000 blessing Joe, Yeah, okay, anyway, from four that's pretty good. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.800 I don't think he's play good foot pas. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:46.560 You went Dragons wouldn't Spiron spin as well? We all 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.400 can them Daly m Nathan Cleary probably not going to happen, 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:51.600 can I vine? Dom Young. 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.600 He's going No? 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.960 Is that Pereira He's in the mixed. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.679 So absolutely the Tigers making the top eight as well. 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:03.640 So. 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:11.480 What about that at the bottom of the act. That's 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.600 a great little tussle on there. That lost for the Dragons. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.200 They can't afford another slip up. They've got par of 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.559 Camera next two weeks, and I wouldn't have thought they're 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.880 shootings to win both those games. Well, they will start 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.160 both those games as favorites, but I would have thought, Look, 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.040 I think look, Paramount had been really poor for the 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.680 last couple of months, but on their day, they're capable 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.360 of beating the Dragons in my opinion. Well, I don't 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.160 think they're laid down the Dragons. 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.679 Dragons, I've said it all. Ye, they can't win two 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.840 games in a row for some reason. It just doesn't happen. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.760 They play really well one week and the next week 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.720 they fall off. So as someone who's watching, I'm confident 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:48.120 that they'll be paramounta next week. 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:49.600 But then it's that Raiders game. 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.320 That last round where where you're like, oh, that's probably 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:53.240 the one that they'll slip. 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.200 Well, they have a shocking record against Camera. 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.680 Yeah, I think if they stum, I think they miss 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:01.679 out because if you look at the three teams chase. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.560 They've got, they've got to be the Els because they've. 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.040 Got They've got to win both those games because the Broncos, 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.560 Go Dolphins, Storm Dolphins are in an absolute hole. They're 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.840 gon Ski absolutely gone. And maybe I know Melburning arrest 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:14.480 players this week, but it wouldn't surprise me if they 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.319 rest some other players in the final round and maybe 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.079 Reese Walsh's back, then this talk will be back, maybe 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:21.959 pain maybe pains back. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.480 And then again if they lose the Dolphins, do you, 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:26.480 I guess it depends on the other results whether you 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:26.920 bring them. 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.920 Back for if they win this week, and I can 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.360 guarantee you if those guys can play, even if it's 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.040 not at one hundred percent, they'll be on the field and. 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.800 Not the other ones. Thes have got Titans, Dolphins make 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.599 you win both those games, So Dragons can't afford to 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.319 slip up. They got to win. But they've got to 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.960 win both their games or they'll potentially miss out because 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:46.679 they can't. Mean what's what's the four and a gamest log? 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:48.120 We got it there and they don't have it. I 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:49.760 don't have it, but it's pretty poor. Member. 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:53.240 They are pretty pig of those five teams and like 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.640 minus one hundred or something. Yeah, yeah, so they can't 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.680 rely on their points different pretty much. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.920 Do we, So we think that we think they'll be paramatta. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:03.120 I think cameras a danger game. 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.080 I think Camera is a danger game because of the record, 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:06.480 which I don't know if the top of my head, 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.720 but I think, you know, they've only won maybe two 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.400 or three or from the last twelve or something like that, 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.720 but that's just been something like that's one of those 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:15.880 it's they're a bogy team for them. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:18.400 I have a lot to play for though. 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.560 Now soon it's all of a sudden become like the 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:25.600 spoon Balls, become just as big as any game coming up. 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:29.000 And yeah, like I mean, it's probably of our fault 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.320 because we're the ones hyping it up, but they're not 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:31.840 going to want. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:35.160 To get We're going to be a good game to watch, though, yeah, 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.480 for the wrong reasons. If you're a Hills or a Tigers. 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:39.320 As a Tiger. 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.440 Support, everyone will be hoping that they can get the 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.320 job done. That is why Adam Mobs is not here, 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:45.720 by the way, everyone he's. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.280 Didn't want to talk about the speed, but he's bunkering away. 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.440 He's fearful, but we don't hold that against him. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.480 So if you have to put your money on someone 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.880 now running eighth, who you got. 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.000 I think? So as we are tour king, I'm just saying, 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.400 if there's that head to head here, I still think 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.000 it'll be the Dragons. They've got a two point buffer 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:07.680 if they can pick up one game, and you have 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.200 to remember the four other teams below them all play 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:18.760 each other. So I think if they can drag one more, oh, 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.280 I don't know. Oh no, you know what when I 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:29.040 maybe maybe the Knights, but then they would need the 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.320 Dragons to lose both of their games because that that 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:32.240 will take them to thirty. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.600 No, look, they could lose one. They got a better 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.720 four and against I think the Dragons, so they will 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.880 get in. So yeah, it's the Dragon the Dragons. Just 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:42.800 if the Dragons lose one, they're in all sorts. What 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:44.160 do you reckon? Te So you've got. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.800 I have either the Dragons or the Broncos. I think, 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.320 do you think I think the Broncos need a miracle? 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:52.800 You can't take them both. You've got to take one. 0:15:52.800 --> 0:16:02.480 Okay for one if the Dragons beat the Dragons. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:07.120 Okay, I did the Bronx yelling at me because we 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.920 saw some footage there before some of the high tackles 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.840 in the week. And I'm still waiting as we talk 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:15.280 about this for Jared's a change come down for Jabbuary 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:19.440 or hard Graves and the roosters. Guys, it's a bit 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.600 all over the shop. People are people don't know what's 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:25.120 the sinmn, what is the sinmin at the moment. Look, 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.960 the word I hate most regularly consistency because you're never 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.640 going to get it because humans are inconsistent. What you 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.960 think is a sin binning and you think are sin 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.240 being different? I necessarily think is a sinbinning, but I 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.720 reckon at the moment the variance is too great between 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.680 sin binnings. Do we have what's your view? Drama is 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:47.480 a drama two weeks for the finals. 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:53.800 Look, obviously it's a hot topic at the moment and 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:54.840 you can't avoid it. 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:57.760 I just. 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.080 Okay, if direct contact to the head is going to 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:07.199 be a symbin, then let's agree that it's a symbin 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.960 you have to have scope for. And Tyson and I 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.400 were talking about this off air, for you know, when 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.680 things are an accident because you are because there's a 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.600 difference between the tackle being careless and something being purely accidental. 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.760 But the rest of it, where we're talking about, you know, 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.960 what is moderate force, what is mild? If it was 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.560 mild or low force. We heard heavy contact at the 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.399 start of the year, and now we're hearing about mitigating circumstances. 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.280 Just you know, and I know it's hard because no 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.919 two tackles are the same, So it's hard to have 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:41.359 a blanket black and white rule. But it's just and 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.120 like you said, it's people in the bunker and they 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.800 all might have their own interpretation of what moderate forces 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.399 and what mitigating is. So I don't know. There's just 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.720 so that there's so many shades of gray that I 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.240 think that's why we're getting the so called variances or 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:58.520 the inconsistencies. But yeah, I don't know. If we're going 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:02.439 to make any sort of contact to the head symbin, 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.560 then at least let's try and remain consistent with that. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.080 Let's go through a film on the weekend. Right, So 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.159 the Steve Kreiman wasn't a synbin should have been. 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.840 It's apparently costs an official his job for the rest 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:22.200 of Yeah. 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.679 But you have to remember so that the stupid Cridon 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.400 incident was after the manly game, right. 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:27.439 Yeah, well Corey were down in that game with symbin and. 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.560 Then there were people blowing up about hamole and the 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.040 rest of it. And then so it makes I agree. 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.160 I thought I can cop. 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.320 Got away with in that same tackle to the head. 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:46.080 You can't two blokes have a one tackle head. You 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:47.800 can't sit for one tackle. 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:49.120 There's like a double concussion. 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:56.040 I thought they got the wrong bike and. 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.240 Flush in the nose. So and I don't know, and 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.320 there was, you know, lots of controversy about that. So 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.760 it makes me think was the you know, the bunker 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.720 gun shy after the controversy have three symbins and there 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.919 was one for like a professional foul or whatever it was, 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.159 and then everyone blew up about the Stephen Crichton not 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:11.560 being a symbin, and then all of a sudden the 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.520 symbings were back like the following day. 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:17.760 So yeah, I didn't see the Sebastians saw one. I 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.320