Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the Daily Telegraph in or podcast from
Speaker 1: joined Brent Reed John by Fatima Tyson Jackson. How are
Speaker 1: we kids? We're good, good kids. It was a bit.
Speaker 2: To us.
Speaker 1: I'm an old man cook a great here to prove it.
Speaker 1: How did you play footy? On the Buzz said he
Speaker 1: went and watched you play? Is that right?
Speaker 2: Yes? He did.
Speaker 1: He said you were very good.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. From the Big said you lost? Yeah,
Speaker 3: we lost by try. Yeah, it went down, went down
Speaker 3: to the wire, last player of the game.
Speaker 2: We had a.
Speaker 3: Shift down now being made a breaking scan to put a.
Speaker 2: Kick back on the inside and it's it's gone over
Speaker 2: the side.
Speaker 1: Were there any inspirational words from Buzz before the game
Speaker 1: or any motivational speeches from the Great Man? Oh?
Speaker 3: Look, you just looked to his credit, he came for
Speaker 3: reserve grade, washed all the way up to a grade
Speaker 3: and year before before I ran out and just tapped
Speaker 3: me on the shoulder and said go hard and good luck.
Speaker 4: So wait, did he literally go specifically to watch you?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, let's not say that, but he was there.
Speaker 3: He was there to support my great club carrying bar.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So it was down in the Shire Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're playing Como though, which is like real inland
Speaker 3: for Buzz. Buzz is more on the water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, truly, Buzz had nothing to do on.
Speaker 3: Sunday, Saturday, Yeah, giving at three o'clock in the afternoon
Speaker 3: kickoff and he was there and yeah, he was there
Speaker 3: for a long time.
Speaker 1: And it sounds he was a real He said death
Speaker 1: for you because you're lost a bit like pe on
Speaker 1: the weekend. I know, it's stunning, upset the camera. Are
Speaker 1: they in trouble? Do we think they're in trouble to
Speaker 1: fourth now play Melbourne first week of the row.
Speaker 4: They do have a favorable run home, but I think
Speaker 4: they do look a little bit shaky and there's a
Speaker 4: lot going on right and we sort of know that
Speaker 4: Nathan could be back for that first week of the finals,
Speaker 4: but it's not like a return date that's set in stone.
Speaker 4: Dylan Edwards is clearly playing hampered. You know. I wrote
Speaker 4: about it in the tackle. There was a moment there
Speaker 4: where he was just completely just beaten defensively by Albert Hoppa.
Speaker 4: White just blew past him and that's not something that
Speaker 4: you normally see from Edwards. You can see he's got
Speaker 4: no power in his knee. He has play a ground
Speaker 4: final with the broken foot, so you know, in terms
Speaker 4: of that, like he's a tough guy. But what I
Speaker 4: find and obviously not having Nathan Cleary is a massive.
Speaker 1: Impact significant but he goes all right, that kid.
Speaker 4: He does and you know if he does come back
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, whether they finish fourth or not,
Speaker 4: Like you rate their chances right, but.
Speaker 1: The issue for Nathan is when he comes back, whether
Speaker 1: he's what sort of shape is with that shoulder. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean only are raving lunatic would write off Penrothal,
Speaker 1: would think regardless of where they finished, each.
Speaker 4: Time Nathan's come back from injury, he hasn't skipped a beat.
Speaker 4: So and it's one of those ones where I mean
Speaker 4: you think back to Jerome the way the last years,
Speaker 4: going from last year's grandfl playing with that shoulder injury
Speaker 4: twenty minutes ago, it comes out. So there's always that
Speaker 4: risk that that will happen to Nathan. So they have
Speaker 4: to sort of pick the perfect time to bring him back.
Speaker 4: But if you watch the week before against the Storm,
Speaker 4: like Craig Bellamy had a pretty good blueprint and how
Speaker 4: to beat them, you know they targeted to they kicked
Speaker 4: a toto on the last they tested him under the
Speaker 4: highball and that and with Edward's already impacted with that knee,
Speaker 4: they really blunted the impact of their back three. And
Speaker 4: I think Cambo tried to replicate that a little bit
Speaker 4: yesterday and had some success. So that worries me more
Speaker 4: than their injuries. The fact that teams are beginning to
Speaker 4: sort of figure out how you can stop Penrith.
Speaker 2: When was the last time they lost two in a row?
Speaker 4: The study, Yeah, shut, I don't know if there is
Speaker 4: a blueprint blueprint to beating and I know Melbourne targeted.
Speaker 1: The teams have been targeting Brian Tye for how long
Speaker 1: have you? I mean, he's a small man for a winger, right.
Speaker 4: Just in terms of the high ballreadio. I mean by
Speaker 4: going to him for the first tackle, they rubbed him
Speaker 4: out from place two and three, which impacted his yardage game.
Speaker 4: So that's where they figured that out. So they doubled
Speaker 4: his kick run meters pretty much in that game. And
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that's the reason why. Like obviously, you
Speaker 4: know they've had guys who've been in and out of
Speaker 4: the side, guys playing injured. You know, but there's still
Speaker 4: two weeks to go and they still have nothing clearer
Speaker 4: to come back, So you're not putting.
Speaker 1: A lot I reckon twice you're worried about.
Speaker 3: Him, like like you said, you'd have to be mad
Speaker 3: to count Penrith out there. Yeah, they're playing busted at
Speaker 3: the moment, but it's sides like this, and I guess
Speaker 3: times like this that you can really see what a
Speaker 3: team's made of. And yeah, I mean Penrith, they've seen
Speaker 3: adversity before, and Nathan back. You got the likes of
Speaker 3: Paul Alamoni who hurting through New Southwest Cup, who could
Speaker 3: come back, Scott Soris and Soney Tara is not playing
Speaker 3: at the moment. These are all guys that have been there, done.
Speaker 3: They're not all the money yet, but he's proved this
Speaker 3: year that he's capable of being in that team. And
Speaker 3: when they come back, you know, and Edwards gets a
Speaker 3: bit more minutes, Yeah, everything will starts fall into place.
Speaker 3: So I can see I'm finishing top four and then finals.
Speaker 2: Is their bread and butter. They know what to do
Speaker 2: on the big stage.
Speaker 1: It's interesting in the top four. It's funny you say,
Speaker 1: I could see them finishing top four. I mean even
Speaker 1: the mere fact that you say that suggests. You know, look,
Speaker 1: I think if they finish out to the top four,
Speaker 1: they can't win it. If you're in the top four
Speaker 1: and Nathan comes back, I mean there are it's Penrith, right,
Speaker 1: So but the top four is really interesting because now
Speaker 1: the Rusters are in second and I were talking before
Speaker 1: the show, I mean by staying second of Coronella are
Speaker 1: now and third. If the Rusters play Cronella, it really
Speaker 1: works in their favorite because they've got a horrific record
Speaker 1: against the p and a horrific record that won one
Speaker 1: of the last twenty against Melbourne and Penrith. So if
Speaker 1: they avoid them a week one of the finals, they
Speaker 1: won't have to meet them till the pre lem So
Speaker 1: I think it really counts. I think it's a huge
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And look, Melbourne of minor Premier has
Speaker 1: done dusted, but I think it's crucial for that those
Speaker 1: next three spots because Canterbury in the mix as well. Right,
Speaker 1: you know that's going to be huge. How that plays out,
Speaker 1: I reckon because the Roosters look really good.
Speaker 4: At the moment, but that top four spot might be
Speaker 4: in terms of Canary because they play the Seagulls, so
Speaker 4: they that might help that decide whether or not they're
Speaker 4: going to be a chance for the top four in
Speaker 4: that final round.
Speaker 1: But yet we're even talking about Canniby making the top four.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Wait did you have them with? No?
Speaker 1: I didn't have them last Who did you have that?
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I'm pretty sure I didn't have them.
Speaker 4: Was it the dragons?
Speaker 2: The dragons?
Speaker 1: It might have been the dragons. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: can't remember. It was a long time ago.
Speaker 4: It wasn't long to d I think the dragon.
Speaker 1: Okay, the dragons. Actually can't remember my head. Drag it out,
Speaker 1: don't we?
Speaker 4: Well you don't you drink the drinks the tigers. So yeah,
Speaker 4: but it's the same with the dragons sort of, you know,
Speaker 4: who would have a lot of people said they had
Speaker 4: the quote unquote worst roster, the least fancy roster of
Speaker 4: the season. But yeah, Canabary. I mean, what they've done
Speaker 4: this year, the way they've managed to turn it around
Speaker 4: has been incredible.
Speaker 1: Sort of player. You look at that top four though,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to see the roosters go Canvas South.
Speaker 1: They should win both those games, right, the sharksko Warriors mainly, well,
Speaker 1: they'll beat the what they should beat the Warriors mainly's
Speaker 1: But if I think that games is a game of
Speaker 1: brook At Games of Brooklyn or sorry four Points Park
Speaker 1: and Pendy goes South Titans, they should win both them.
Speaker 1: So look, I mean, Cannaby's top four hoes for lot
Speaker 1: probably rely on the Sharks losing that last game. To me,
Speaker 1: and I can't remember what they're folling against the like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I would have thought the top four is
Speaker 1: probably going to stay as is.
Speaker 2: What's it's hard to beat Manly in Manly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you look at the Sharks game this week.
Speaker 3: Sean Johnson should be playing. That will be his last
Speaker 3: game ever. You know, they turn up there at Shark Park.
Speaker 3: We've seen it happen before, the Warriors at that same ground.
Speaker 3: They just you know, they flick a switch. They can
Speaker 3: play good footy and that can really disrupt everything for
Speaker 3: the Sharks.
Speaker 2: From the Sharks, it's been very good.
Speaker 3: Dan Atkinson, I mean, has been a great find this year.
Speaker 2: What do you do when Nico comes back, because.
Speaker 3: I know you have to put him in the top
Speaker 3: you have to put him in the team.
Speaker 2: But how good a bench?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, is that you going to take a forward
Speaker 3: off the bench to play Atkinson.
Speaker 2: In the top seventeen?
Speaker 1: Probably I'd probably stick him on. Well, fitz he's talked
Speaker 1: him up yesterday after the after the game and said
Speaker 1: he deserves to hold his spots. So yeah, but Nico
Speaker 1: walks straight back.
Speaker 3: Definitelyause you would have to say you'd probably find a
Speaker 3: spot for Atkinson in their best seventeen. He can be
Speaker 3: a real game breaker. You can play almost anywhere on
Speaker 3: the field, So I think you just stick.
Speaker 1: Him on the bench and move on. Right.
Speaker 4: But the way they're like, their forwards have been playing
Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks and dominated the Dragons yesterday
Speaker 4: at the same time that that contributed a lot to
Speaker 4: their victory. So you wonder if FITZI is reluctant to
Speaker 4: change that forward protection do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like Oregon is paying some good foot do you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? So they've got that forward pack has
Speaker 4: a good rhythm going at the moment, So it's.
Speaker 2: You're not Brailey off at all.
Speaker 3: Brayley's probably been He's not been spoken about very much,
Speaker 3: but he's been He's been very very good for the Sharks,
Speaker 3: and yeah he was. He caused the Dragons all source problems,
Speaker 3: especially at the start of that game.
Speaker 1: We disappointed that. We'll look at the bottom mate, now,
Speaker 1: were you disappointed with the Dragons or what do we
Speaker 1: think performance? I just think they're not in the same
Speaker 1: class as that. They're not the top team.
Speaker 3: It depends what week you're asking, because one week they
Speaker 3: look like world be and the next week into the plane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the problem, but the recordings from the good teams.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know they beat Melbourne a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: but the Rooster put the cleaners through the Carnelius put
Speaker 1: the cleaners through them. I can't have the audience Penrith
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 4: I can't remember, but because yeah, it's they had a
Speaker 4: big game against the Dogs. This was another big game
Speaker 4: at home, both of them important for their top eight ramifications,
Speaker 4: and I just felt like energy wise, they just weren't.
Speaker 4: They didn't match the opposition on both occasions, and I
Speaker 4: think that's been part of their problem, just that inconsistency.
Speaker 4: Having said that, we know that they tend to bounce back,
Speaker 4: so while they were, they're probably you know, you know,
Speaker 4: you look at them if they do squeeze into the eight.
Speaker 4: They're probably one of the teams that are making up
Speaker 4: the numbers, so to speak. But they're definitely improved, like
Speaker 4: you said, but there is a massive I think in general,
Speaker 4: like there's still a class that you know, there's the
Speaker 4: top four. Maybe you can add Cannery in there now,
Speaker 4: but the rest of the top eight is the other
Speaker 4: the teams are a class above them.
Speaker 1: Well, they're one year into a rebuild, right, they make
Speaker 1: huge strides this year and they'll be and they'll be
Speaker 1: they'll be better next year.
Speaker 4: I've looked this up.
Speaker 1: Well, then they come.
Speaker 4: So you went Dragons would and Spiron?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 4: You know he went with the premiers, right, the Broncos
Speaker 4: always Yeah, I think a lot of people did.
Speaker 1: They have been duds anyway, it's a chance perps, God
Speaker 1: blessing Joe, Yeah, okay, anyway, from four that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's play good foot pas.
Speaker 4: You went Dragons wouldn't Spiron spin as well? We all
Speaker 4: can them Daly m Nathan Cleary probably not going to happen,
Speaker 4: can I vine? Dom Young.
Speaker 1: He's going No?
Speaker 4: Is that Pereira He's in the mixed.
Speaker 2: So absolutely the Tigers making the top eight as well.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: What about that at the bottom of the act. That's
Speaker 1: a great little tussle on there. That lost for the Dragons.
Speaker 1: They can't afford another slip up. They've got par of
Speaker 1: Camera next two weeks, and I wouldn't have thought they're
Speaker 1: shootings to win both those games. Well, they will start
Speaker 1: both those games as favorites, but I would have thought, Look,
Speaker 1: I think look, Paramount had been really poor for the
Speaker 1: last couple of months, but on their day, they're capable
Speaker 1: of beating the Dragons in my opinion. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're laid down the Dragons.
Speaker 3: Dragons, I've said it all. Ye, they can't win two
Speaker 3: games in a row for some reason. It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: They play really well one week and the next week
Speaker 3: they fall off. So as someone who's watching, I'm confident
Speaker 3: that they'll be paramounta next week.
Speaker 2: But then it's that Raiders game.
Speaker 3: That last round where where you're like, oh, that's probably
Speaker 3: the one that they'll slip.
Speaker 4: Well, they have a shocking record against Camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if they stum, I think they miss
Speaker 1: out because if you look at the three teams chase.
Speaker 4: They've got, they've got to be the Els because they've.
Speaker 1: Got They've got to win both those games because the Broncos,
Speaker 1: Go Dolphins, Storm Dolphins are in an absolute hole. They're
Speaker 1: gon Ski absolutely gone. And maybe I know Melburning arrest
Speaker 1: players this week, but it wouldn't surprise me if they
Speaker 1: rest some other players in the final round and maybe
Speaker 1: Reese Walsh's back, then this talk will be back, maybe
Speaker 1: pain maybe pains back.
Speaker 4: And then again if they lose the Dolphins, do you,
Speaker 4: I guess it depends on the other results whether you
Speaker 4: bring them.
Speaker 3: Back for if they win this week, and I can
Speaker 3: guarantee you if those guys can play, even if it's
Speaker 3: not at one hundred percent, they'll be on the field and.
Speaker 1: Not the other ones. Thes have got Titans, Dolphins make
Speaker 1: you win both those games, So Dragons can't afford to
Speaker 1: slip up. They got to win. But they've got to
Speaker 1: win both their games or they'll potentially miss out because
Speaker 1: they can't. Mean what's what's the four and a gamest log?
Speaker 1: We got it there and they don't have it. I
Speaker 1: don't have it, but it's pretty poor. Member.
Speaker 4: They are pretty pig of those five teams and like
Speaker 4: minus one hundred or something. Yeah, yeah, so they can't
Speaker 4: rely on their points different pretty much.
Speaker 1: Do we, So we think that we think they'll be paramatta.
Speaker 1: I think cameras a danger game.
Speaker 4: I think Camera is a danger game because of the record,
Speaker 4: which I don't know if the top of my head,
Speaker 4: but I think, you know, they've only won maybe two
Speaker 4: or three or from the last twelve or something like that,
Speaker 4: but that's just been something like that's one of those
Speaker 4: it's they're a bogy team for them.
Speaker 2: I have a lot to play for though.
Speaker 3: Now soon it's all of a sudden become like the
Speaker 3: spoon Balls, become just as big as any game coming up.
Speaker 3: And yeah, like I mean, it's probably of our fault
Speaker 3: because we're the ones hyping it up, but they're not
Speaker 3: going to want.
Speaker 4: To get We're going to be a good game to watch, though, yeah,
Speaker 4: for the wrong reasons. If you're a Hills or a Tigers.
Speaker 1: As a Tiger.
Speaker 3: Support, everyone will be hoping that they can get the
Speaker 3: job done. That is why Adam Mobs is not here,
Speaker 3: by the way, everyone he's.
Speaker 1: Didn't want to talk about the speed, but he's bunkering away.
Speaker 2: He's fearful, but we don't hold that against him.
Speaker 1: So if you have to put your money on someone
Speaker 1: now running eighth, who you got.
Speaker 4: I think? So as we are tour king, I'm just saying,
Speaker 4: if there's that head to head here, I still think
Speaker 4: it'll be the Dragons. They've got a two point buffer
Speaker 4: if they can pick up one game, and you have
Speaker 4: to remember the four other teams below them all play
Speaker 4: each other. So I think if they can drag one more, oh,
Speaker 4: I don't know. Oh no, you know what when I
Speaker 4: maybe maybe the Knights, but then they would need the
Speaker 4: Dragons to lose both of their games because that that
Speaker 4: will take them to thirty.
Speaker 1: No, look, they could lose one. They got a better
Speaker 1: four and against I think the Dragons, so they will
Speaker 1: get in. So yeah, it's the Dragon the Dragons. Just
Speaker 1: if the Dragons lose one, they're in all sorts. What
Speaker 1: do you reckon? Te So you've got.
Speaker 3: I have either the Dragons or the Broncos. I think,
Speaker 3: do you think I think the Broncos need a miracle?
Speaker 1: You can't take them both. You've got to take one.
Speaker 2: Okay for one if the Dragons beat the Dragons.
Speaker 1: Okay, I did the Bronx yelling at me because we
Speaker 1: saw some footage there before some of the high tackles
Speaker 1: in the week. And I'm still waiting as we talk
Speaker 1: about this for Jared's a change come down for Jabbuary
Speaker 1: or hard Graves and the roosters. Guys, it's a bit
Speaker 1: all over the shop. People are people don't know what's
Speaker 1: the sinmn, what is the sinmin at the moment. Look,
Speaker 1: the word I hate most regularly consistency because you're never
Speaker 1: going to get it because humans are inconsistent. What you
Speaker 1: think is a sin binning and you think are sin
Speaker 1: being different? I necessarily think is a sinbinning, but I
Speaker 1: reckon at the moment the variance is too great between
Speaker 1: sin binnings. Do we have what's your view? Drama is
Speaker 1: a drama two weeks for the finals.
Speaker 4: Look, obviously it's a hot topic at the moment and
Speaker 4: you can't avoid it.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 4: Okay, if direct contact to the head is going to
Speaker 4: be a symbin, then let's agree that it's a symbin
Speaker 4: you have to have scope for. And Tyson and I
Speaker 4: were talking about this off air, for you know, when
Speaker 4: things are an accident because you are because there's a
Speaker 4: difference between the tackle being careless and something being purely accidental.
Speaker 4: But the rest of it, where we're talking about, you know,
Speaker 4: what is moderate force, what is mild? If it was
Speaker 4: mild or low force. We heard heavy contact at the
Speaker 4: start of the year, and now we're hearing about mitigating circumstances.
Speaker 4: Just you know, and I know it's hard because no
Speaker 4: two tackles are the same, So it's hard to have
Speaker 4: a blanket black and white rule. But it's just and
Speaker 4: like you said, it's people in the bunker and they
Speaker 4: all might have their own interpretation of what moderate forces
Speaker 4: and what mitigating is. So I don't know. There's just
Speaker 4: so that there's so many shades of gray that I
Speaker 4: think that's why we're getting the so called variances or
Speaker 4: the inconsistencies. But yeah, I don't know. If we're going
Speaker 4: to make any sort of contact to the head symbin,
Speaker 4: then at least let's try and remain consistent with that.
Speaker 1: Let's go through a film on the weekend. Right, So
Speaker 1: the Steve Kreiman wasn't a synbin should have been.
Speaker 3: It's apparently costs an official his job for the rest
Speaker 3: of Yeah.
Speaker 4: But you have to remember so that the stupid Cridon
Speaker 4: incident was after the manly game, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well Corey were down in that game with symbin and.
Speaker 4: Then there were people blowing up about hamole and the
Speaker 4: rest of it. And then so it makes I agree.
Speaker 1: I thought I can cop.
Speaker 2: Got away with in that same tackle to the head.
Speaker 1: You can't two blokes have a one tackle head. You
Speaker 1: can't sit for one tackle.
Speaker 4: There's like a double concussion.
Speaker 1: I thought they got the wrong bike and.
Speaker 4: Flush in the nose. So and I don't know, and
Speaker 4: there was, you know, lots of controversy about that. So
Speaker 4: it makes me think was the you know, the bunker
Speaker 4: gun shy after the controversy have three symbins and there
Speaker 4: was one for like a professional foul or whatever it was,
Speaker 4: and then everyone blew up about the Stephen Crichton not
Speaker 4: being a symbin, and then all of a sudden the
Speaker 4: symbings were back like the following day.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I didn't see the Sebastians saw one. I
Speaker 1: saw the camp Murray one. Do we think that was
Speaker 1: a symbyes? Yes?
Speaker 4: Happy again And that's it. That's the thing. There are
Speaker 4: people on social media saying it will here's the crime one.
Speaker 1: I mean, it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't even look like there's like an attempt to put
Speaker 2: it's almost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something I think that you when they don't, when
Speaker 1: there's no even attempt to use the arm and you
Speaker 1: hit someone with the shoulder, for me, that's an instant symbing.
Speaker 1: Just been on straight off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel as well though.
Speaker 4: To agree. I tend to agree when and when we
Speaker 4: talk about this. You know, what is the accident, what
Speaker 4: if a play is falling, But there's also needs to
Speaker 4: be some owners on the defender to lower.
Speaker 1: The on the defend to not hit someone in the head,
Speaker 1: understand something. You're playing the game. I understand sometimes it's
Speaker 1: harder because blokes do drop a little bit, but you've
Speaker 1: just got to be.
Speaker 2: Well, you've got it. You've got to put your best
Speaker 2: foot forward.
Speaker 3: But I think at times, so especially when it comes
Speaker 3: to the bunker, the bunker is judging.
Speaker 2: Off how the player on the floor looks as well,
Speaker 2: like there could be an act.
Speaker 3: Like you said, we should be taking you know, whether
Speaker 3: it's an accident, intentional direct force, We should be taking
Speaker 3: all that into account. But I think the number one
Speaker 3: thing they do take into account is if a blow
Speaker 3: clays on the floor for too long or not if
Speaker 3: he gets up straight away.
Speaker 2: Most of the time, it's play on. Referees don't call it.
Speaker 4: But that was a suert example, right, So so that's
Speaker 4: just so I hit David Moaly like flush, like across
Speaker 4: the face, Mowley shows gets up, plays it, no symptoms,
Speaker 4: one to none of those categories or whatever it was.
Speaker 4: About six seconds later, try to score. The bunkers looked
Speaker 4: at it, they're call him back and they go direct
Speaker 4: with some force, tend to bin. And that's something that's
Speaker 4: also a new thing, like are we going to do
Speaker 4: that from now on? And if we are going to
Speaker 4: do that, then I mean, you've at least decided that
Speaker 4: that's the path that we're going to take.
Speaker 3: What I have with Jared as well, he's happened and
Speaker 3: then they played on a little bit and then they
Speaker 3: called him.
Speaker 4: And again I think someone was a symbol as well.
Speaker 4: But if we're going to do that, then we've got
Speaker 4: to do that for every time we see direct contact
Speaker 4: of the head, because we've seen examples where somebody's put
Speaker 4: on report retrospectively and that's it and it's play on
Speaker 4: their penalty, no symbin nothing, And that's another thing that
Speaker 4: creates variances and frustration.
Speaker 3: Did you think Jared was like the by the law book. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I guess I'd be more inclined to talk. Depending
Speaker 3: on what charge you get. I think the charge will
Speaker 3: will be if that's fair, definitely symbin. But depending on
Speaker 3: what he gets after it. I don't think it's you know,
Speaker 3: I've seen some people on line, so he deserves six
Speaker 3: weeks or something for that. I don't think that's the
Speaker 3: sixth what's going to kill him is his record.
Speaker 4: His records, Yeah, hasn't He had just come back from
Speaker 4: four weeks.
Speaker 1: So well, there's your there's your double hit. That's the
Speaker 1: wordell one. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't have an issue
Speaker 1: with this one.
Speaker 4: I think he hits him and that's nobody saw that
Speaker 4: one initially, right, so we all thought, so would you
Speaker 4: have that one?
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't sure that was a sinding. I
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily think he got him in the head.
Speaker 2: He get the chest first, he ends up touching the head.
Speaker 2: But you're playing on a fine line if.
Speaker 3: If anything, you end up making a tackle and your
Speaker 3: head gets touched all the time. Most when I when
Speaker 3: I was playing foot walk into the office most mondays
Speaker 3: with the black eye like but I didn't get a
Speaker 3: bad high tackle penalties or game you know, like it happens.
Speaker 2: It's a contact sport.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but nobody's trying to take the contact or the
Speaker 4: physicality out of the sport. We're just saying, I don't know,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, yeah, And it might just be anecdotally
Speaker 4: that we feel like there's all of a sudden like
Speaker 4: in that Roosters rister's game, it felt like there was
Speaker 4: a penalty every five minutes for head high contact. So
Speaker 4: and there's a lot of and we're speaking about this,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of different factors. It's fatigue involved, you know,
Speaker 4: your technique sort of you know falters. So it's never
Speaker 4: going to be perfect, but at least, you know, let's
Speaker 4: find some consistency the word that word.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I mean, I don't I don't have an issue
Speaker 1: with them just get I don't have an issue with
Speaker 1: them submitting what God keep symbitting them, keep blokes in
Speaker 1: the head sent of the bin because we're in this
Speaker 1: era of CTE and legal action all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: So I don't have a great problem with it, but
Speaker 1: they just they just need to get it right. More
Speaker 1: often they get it wrong. And at the moment it
Speaker 1: feels like it's about even they get it wrong as
Speaker 1: often as they get it right. That's the problem I
Speaker 1: think we have at the moment.
Speaker 2: I was saying it a team early.
Speaker 3: Do you feel really that, like as much the game
Speaker 3: is entertaining at sever bin, do you almost feel that
Speaker 3: the game's a bit too fast that either you've got
Speaker 3: the defensive line rushing up and you know, trying to
Speaker 3: just put a shot on as quick as possible, which
Speaker 3: means the defense is the attack isn't running as much.
Speaker 3: So then tackle technique is going a bit out the
Speaker 3: window to just ensure that you push them back as
Speaker 3: far as you can.
Speaker 2: And that's that's a kind of mitigating or not mitigating.
Speaker 3: But that's a factor in why there's so many head
Speaker 3: highs because they're trying to get that quick tackle because
Speaker 3: if you line the ruck too much, you know, you
Speaker 3: get six Again. Your side susk crucified in just letting
Speaker 3: the attack run and run and run and run.
Speaker 4: And so when we're talking about this, because we were
Speaker 4: saying again and it don'tly, it feels like a lot
Speaker 4: of them are happening where the defenders sort of upright,
Speaker 4: you know, they aren't necessarily really like low going into
Speaker 4: the tackle that you see, and that's why they're getting
Speaker 4: like heads into shoulders.
Speaker 1: Right, So I want to be an interesting case study
Speaker 1: the average height of the player who gets charged.
Speaker 4: That's not because that homoag is would be that example, right,
Speaker 4: because Heath Mason isn't.
Speaker 1: Jared's a big guy, right, Jared's a huge guy. So
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how many of those how many
Speaker 1: boats over six foot? How many boats under six foot
Speaker 1: of being charged?
Speaker 4: I mean Crichton is a pretty tall guy too, so you.
Speaker 1: Know, but there are But Criten's was just a pure
Speaker 1: like a technique.
Speaker 3: Surely he was going in he was going to put
Speaker 3: a put a shot on. Yeah, like yeah that this
Speaker 3: plane is simple, that's why it happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, we need to solve it.
Speaker 4: That means it.
Speaker 1: Needs to there needs to be some form of clarity
Speaker 1: around what's going on.
Speaker 4: See, that's the thing. It's it's one of those ones
Speaker 4: like you said, there is obviously there was a rule book,
Speaker 4: but all the rules that kind of the bunker uses
Speaker 4: has you know, is open to interpretation. Like it's up
Speaker 4: to the bunker to decide if something how forceful something
Speaker 4: is you know, what, are there any mitigating factors and
Speaker 4: having to do that on the run because there's time
Speaker 4: pressure on them too. Like if we were to delay
Speaker 4: every time there's a head high for like two or
Speaker 4: three minutes so somebody can come up with, you know,
Speaker 4: try and find less severiances in the outcome. People would
Speaker 4: be blowing up about that too. So there's no perfect
Speaker 4: solution for it. So you know, I wrote in the
Speaker 4: tackle that, and I know this would never happen, but
Speaker 4: I tend to agree with you. If there's direct contact
Speaker 4: to the head, the replace show it, take them off.
Speaker 4: Leave that the force stuff and the mitigating stuff for
Speaker 4: the Mattriviute committee to decide when they hand down the tape.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the force needs to be taken into
Speaker 1: consideration because sometimes blakes just graze someone there, you know,
Speaker 1: they just touch them.
Speaker 4: You're not going to You're not going to sim in
Speaker 4: somebody for them.
Speaker 1: If you had a blanket rule, every contact with the
Speaker 1: head goes the bin, then you would be simming for that.
Speaker 2: So I just need to be it changes.
Speaker 3: It changes the game, like having players off the field
Speaker 3: changes the game. And heading into final.
Speaker 1: Didn't help the tit.
Speaker 2: Lost p sixty.
Speaker 4: Well, I helped the Tigers because they played what fifty
Speaker 4: minutes with against twelve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but having players off the field, especially leading into finals,
Speaker 3: is something that we don't want.
Speaker 2: So I would love for the hour of a Graham and.
Speaker 3: As he talks today this afternoon, if he would just
Speaker 3: come out and like you guys said, if he comes
Speaker 3: out and goes, yeah, anything any head contact, you're in
Speaker 3: the pin, that will be better because then teams can say,
Speaker 3: all right, guys, avoid that area at all costs. You'll
Speaker 3: find players making that extra effort to go a little
Speaker 3: bit lower because it's it will be the difference between
Speaker 3: winning and winning and losing a semi or a Grand final.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, let's have a look at what you're watching. What
Speaker 1: are you watching at the moment?
Speaker 4: I am watching. Oh no, sorry, I'm not watching. I'm
Speaker 4: still watching Billions because there's seven. Yeah, it's not bad.
Speaker 4: It's not bad. It's it's got that element reference. No,
Speaker 4: it's it's so I'm up to season three and it's
Speaker 4: getting to a point where it's getting a bit sort
Speaker 4: of same same, and we're not four seasons to go,
Speaker 4: four seasons to go.
Speaker 1: Come here every weekend begins.
Speaker 4: It's just been three seasons of this mouse chase between
Speaker 4: the US federal attorney and the billionaire guy, do you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? So I'm like, there's they keep
Speaker 4: sort of building to this climate accent never actually happened. Okay,
Speaker 4: But once I do finish that, I'm going to watch
Speaker 4: Emily in Paris. Oh my god, I knew we're almost
Speaker 4: going to throw up Emily in Paris.
Speaker 1: Want me to throw up Emily in Paris? I said,
Speaker 1: there's no one in the world on throwing up Emily
Speaker 1: in Paris. No way, even though I just been to Paris.
Speaker 1: I'm not throwing up Emily in Paris.
Speaker 4: Watch and tell us if it's really you know, this
Speaker 4: is when you're married.
Speaker 1: You've got some shows you watch, some show your wife watches.
Speaker 1: My wife and I watch a lot of stuff together.
Speaker 1: One show I will not be watching.
Speaker 4: In a nutshell. So this is up to season four,
Speaker 4: I haven't that's.
Speaker 1: It's also looks you can't wait to watch.
Speaker 4: So basically, it's about this American cheek who you know,
Speaker 4: has like a quarter life crisis, and the packs up
Speaker 4: her life and moves to Paris. And there's a lot
Speaker 4: of like fashion that's about it.
Speaker 1: All sounds of cracking show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, I just watch it because it's easy viewing.
Speaker 4: I'm not sort of attached to it. It's got kind
Speaker 4: of way and there's a lot of very there's a
Speaker 4: lot of attractive people in it. It's very easy on
Speaker 4: night and it's in Paris.
Speaker 3: Lovely, I'm watching Friday night Lights. Yeah, all my TV shows.
Speaker 2: A hoot year old.
Speaker 1: I've never watched the TV series I've watched.
Speaker 2: I've watched.
Speaker 3: I've actually watched the TV series before. I'm just rewatching
Speaker 3: it because I was a bit younger. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: love my my sports stuff and it's it's an easy watch.
Speaker 2: You just chuck it on before you go.
Speaker 3: To bed, and you know, wake up the next morning
Speaker 3: really to write stories because you just watch so much
Speaker 3: rooting television.
Speaker 1: I keep falling asleep on the couch at home because
Speaker 1: I'm still a bit after Paris, I'm still a bit right,
Speaker 1: So I keep having started watching anything new. But my
Speaker 1: wife recommended this show called Bank of Dave. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: on Netflix. I think it's about I think it's about
Speaker 1: a community bank some guys. It's based on a true story.
Speaker 1: I believe some guys started the community bank. She got
Speaker 1: recommended by a friend of hers. She watched her again
Speaker 1: to show. I'm not watching with her because it doesn't
Speaker 1: interest me at all. But it's very good, very good.
Speaker 4: You're actually watching anything right now?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: Well, what, I've got some shows in my that I'm
Speaker 1: lying off that I'm going to watch. Well, I'm actually
Speaker 1: mentioned last I'm watching Hard Knocks at the moment.
Speaker 4: About yeah and how we're going to pitch a.
Speaker 1: Very good I watched another Another episode came out the
Speaker 1: other day of Hard Knocks. It was a really good
Speaker 1: it's a very good show. I mentioned last week that
Speaker 1: one of them is going out with some balls say that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we all know that someone Barles's husband.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: That's how we all know him. He's only a smile,
Speaker 4: bous smile. He's got a name that's in there.
Speaker 1: I can't member his name. This is a hard knock,
Speaker 1: Hard knock Chicago Bears.
Speaker 4: That was the one who spoke about last week last week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very good, very good. Yeah, the Bears and that start.
Speaker 1: The NFL starts in two weeks, so a lot of
Speaker 1: fantasy comes to the moment. Doing a lot of drafting,
Speaker 1: got a draft going on right now, actually draft camp.
Speaker 1: So on pick number three. It's just riveting television and
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a show you to think about it.
Speaker 1: I won't take any thinking about taking taking debo, Samuel taken.
Speaker 1: Just draft.
Speaker 4: You're number three? Who was one and two? What did
Speaker 4: they pick?
Speaker 1: Oh no, we're three rounds. In three rounds, there's a
Speaker 1: few footballers and a few players exciting.
Speaker 4: It was a scene one pick.
Speaker 1: People's Christian Welch from the Melbourne Storm Superstar. He took Range.
Speaker 1: Oh no he didn't. He took Christian McCaffrey. That's very predictable.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. I'll keep you informed about my
Speaker 1: pixels for next week. I'll sum up my team and
Speaker 1: give you.
Speaker 4: A complete Find something you need to watch?
Speaker 1: Yeah, find something need to watch. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: Thanks christ cheers.
Speaker 2: Thanks