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Speaker 1: On scorn lives Australia. This is the Reader Panalty Show.

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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Riata Patty Show. Coming

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Speaker 2: up tonight, the Great Douglas Murray weighs in on Australia's

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Speaker 2: latest anti Semitic scandal, and he also explains why Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump has waged war on the racist South African government.

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Speaker 2: The Albanezi government, together with the Coalition, is looking to

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Speaker 2: introduce more laws to curb free speech. Dan Wilde will

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Speaker 2: be witnessed shortly to discuss that and much more, and

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Speaker 2: m Horowitz will have the latest from the US, Ukraine

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Speaker 2: and the Middle East. As President Trump's deadline for her

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Speaker 2: mask to release all the hostages draws closer and in

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Speaker 2: Left he's losing it. We've got preachers calling for violence

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Speaker 2: against Elon Musk.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes the devil will act so ugly that you have

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Speaker 3: no other choice but to get violent and faint.

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Speaker 2: But first's former New South Wales nurses Sarah Abu Lebdie

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Speaker 2: and Armored Reshad Nidia have made headlines around the world

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Speaker 2: after they bragged about killing Israeli patients, apparently threatening to

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Speaker 2: kill more.

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Speaker 4: Let's say, let's say an Israeli.

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Speaker 1: God beat them.

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Speaker 2: I won't treat them, I'll kill them.

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Speaker 1: You'll kill them.

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Speaker 5: Okay, you have no idea how many Israelis A dog

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Speaker 5: came to this hospital and Jehannahanna.

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Speaker 2: The video generated horrified reactions in the global media. The

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Speaker 2: UK Telegraph reported nurses suspended for threatening to kill Israeli

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Speaker 2: patients in Australia. Australian hospital examines patient records after nurses

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Speaker 2: claim to have killed Israeli's. That was from the Washington Post,

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Speaker 2: and the Jerusalem Post had the headline Australian Jews questions

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Speaker 2: safety at hospitals after nurses threatened Jews. Now authorities are

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Speaker 2: investigating Nida's class that he has killed Israeli patients who've

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Speaker 2: presented to the war he worked in. Nadea has since

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Speaker 2: apologized for his remarks, telling the Daily Telegraph that he

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Speaker 2: was joking in the video. Meanwhile, his left his family

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Speaker 2: reacted when journalist Liam Mendez approached them for comment.

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Speaker 6: Why are you.

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Speaker 2: What do you say about the allegation?

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Speaker 1: Tell me, Zara?

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Speaker 7: Walking towards the Nate Nate Nate, they said to me

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Speaker 7: about all right, all right, okay, I need my phone back.

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Speaker 2: What has happened?

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Speaker 4: I don't understand what's happened. I haven't been able to

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Speaker 4: talk to us. She's in a freaking extreme panic attack.

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Speaker 5: At the present time, I'm trying to calm it down

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Speaker 5: to see what she's been a nurse for.

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Speaker 4: God knows how long She's never done.

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Speaker 2: Anything to her anyone, do you know? I mean now

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Speaker 2: for more on this. As the Deputy executive director of

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Speaker 2: these Schute of Public Affairs, Dan Wild, Dan, not only

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Speaker 2: is this deeply disturbing, but it's again painted Australia in

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Speaker 2: a terrible light around the world.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it has, Reader, I think it shows how far

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Speaker 8: our country has fallen and how deep the problems are here.

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Speaker 8: Of course, you know, maybe this is an isolated incident,

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Speaker 8: as Premier Chris min suggest, I don't know, But as

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Speaker 8: Peter Dutton has quite rightly said today, there should be

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Speaker 8: a probe into the citizenship situation with these individuals. I

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Speaker 8: understand that they are citizens of Australia. How did someone

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Speaker 8: like this become a citizen of our country? Who granted

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Speaker 8: their citizenship? And it gets to this broader point, reader,

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Speaker 8: that we've been talking about, you know since you know,

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Speaker 8: over the last couple of years, which is there's a

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Speaker 8: much deeper issue to do with our citizenship and migration program.

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Speaker 8: We have many people that have been taking to the

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Speaker 8: streets engaging in anti Semitic conduct that are not just

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Speaker 8: temporary migrants, but our citizens of our country. Either they

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Speaker 8: became naturalized citizens or they were born here, which is

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Speaker 8: even more concerning. So yes, of course these individuals should

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Speaker 8: be sacked. I think that's pretty straightforward. But you know,

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Speaker 8: until we're going to have a deeper probe into our

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Speaker 8: migration system and actually fix it, I'm not convinced that

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Speaker 2: Now. Further information about armed Rashad Nadir, the male nurse

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Speaker 2: in that video. Let's have a look at this coverage

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Speaker 2: from SPS and it came to Australia as a refugee

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Speaker 2: fleeing with his family from Afghanistan. He has since become

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Speaker 2: an Australian citizen, got his citizenship back in August twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: and he's featured in media on a couple of occasions,

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Speaker 2: multiculturalism in Australia. This is him as a high school

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Speaker 5: In Afghanistan, there was not much opportunity to go to

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Speaker 9: A freeway, in a freedom Rushad and his family fled

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Speaker 9: Afghanistan for Australia when he was just twelve years old.

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Speaker 2: That was back in twenty and fifteen, and he was

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Speaker 2: also the subject of this write up from the Helmsman

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Speaker 2: Project in twenty twenty one, says Rashard's story from Afghanistan

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Speaker 2: to Auburn the Power of Hope, Help and Love. The

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Speaker 2: headline reads that Dan, the online story appears to have

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Speaker 2: been scrubbed from the internet. You can understand why.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And I don't want to tire inyone with the

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Speaker 8: same brush. I'm sure a lot of people that come

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Speaker 8: into the refugee program are doing the right thing, and

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Speaker 8: we want to have a welcoming and tolerant migration system.

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Speaker 8: But you know, as we're just talking about, we don't

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Speaker 8: have the processes in place to deal with this properly.

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Speaker 8: We've had just this massive expansion to migration, particularly of

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Speaker 8: processes that are in place. And look, the reality is

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Speaker 8: that you know, you mentioned multiculturalism. Well, it's very divisive concept, multiculturalism.

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Speaker 8: I think that where you know, multi ethnic, yes, multiracial, sure,

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Speaker 8: but multicultural is is a divisive concept because it dilutes

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Speaker 8: the concept of a majority culture. And unfortunately, many activists

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Speaker 8: have used mass migration as a weapon to undermine our

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Speaker 8: of all of us, but particularly to the new migrants

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Speaker 8: who want to do the right thing. So you know,

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Speaker 8: again this gets back to the much deeper issue that

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Speaker 8: we have a failed migration program and it needs to

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Speaker 2: And words matter, what you said there is so correct

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Speaker 2: where we should be celebrating the fact that we're a

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Speaker 2: multi ethnic country. That's something to be treasured. All ethnicity is,

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Speaker 2: regardless of your background, your equal in this country. You

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Speaker 2: have equal opportunity. But to pretend that all cultures are equal,

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Speaker 2: that every culture will be celebrated in this country, that

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Speaker 2: we will overlook the shortcomings of some cultures where their

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Speaker 2: values do not align with ours, I think you're just

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Speaker 2: asking for trouble there. Now, let's turn our attention to

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Speaker 2: a bipartisan push for tougher workplace laws in order to

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Speaker 2: enable universities to sack anti Semitic staff. Part of the

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Speaker 2: reforms would involve a mending the Fair Work Acts so

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Speaker 2: that discipline reaction can be taken against staff and Australian

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Speaker 2: Research Council grant recipients for hate crimes or breaches of

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Speaker 2: the Racial Discrimination Act DAN. I can see this being

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Speaker 2: misused within I don't know five minutes. Do we really

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Speaker 2: need more anti free speech laws? We already have laws

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Speaker 2: in place for inciting violence, for anything that is a

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that the first step is to enforce

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Speaker 8: the laws that are there, like you say, And one

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Speaker 8: of the I guess concerns that I have and a

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Speaker 8: lot of people have, is that we've never had more

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Speaker 8: hate speech laws on the books, so called hate speech

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Speaker 8: Semitism has never been worse, at least since World War

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Speaker 8: Two in this country. So the first point is these

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Speaker 8: to do. And the second issue is that they can

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Speaker 8: often be used not in the manner which they're intended.

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Speaker 8: I mean, just look at section eighty in see of

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Speaker 8: the Racial Discrimination Act. I mean your colleague Andrew Bolt, Well,

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Speaker 8: he was targeted by that Bill Leak, the prominent the

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Speaker 8: late Bill Leak, who was a prominent cartoonist and social commentator,

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Speaker 8: was targeted under section eighten CE. So it was never

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Speaker 8: used for the purposes it was intended. Soquite often these

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Speaker 8: laws can get hijacked by activists to shut down the

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Speaker 8: where people are coming from. You know, when they say

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Speaker 8: crack down on anti Semitism. I get that, and I

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Speaker 8: agree with cracking down on anti Semitism, but I think

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Speaker 8: in forced laws that are on the books is the

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Speaker 8: first step and have better policing of the issues.

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Speaker 2: We've seen these laws that are already existing be breached

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Speaker 2: next to nothing, and the solution seems to be, let's

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Speaker 2: introduce more laws where there is the scope for those

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Speaker 2: to be misused. Just last week, the Albani is a

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Speaker 2: government with the support of the Coalition, pasted more hate

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Speaker 2: that these laws can be misused to attack religious schools

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Speaker 2: for example. I mean, is that really something that we

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Speaker 2: want to enable? Now, let's move on to Football Australia

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Speaker 2: being labeled. Week after it refused to remove Sam Kerr

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Speaker 2: response to her infamous incident in London. Found not guilty

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Speaker 2: without confirming whether she'd stay honest captain. There's been no

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Speaker 2: update from them since Dan The point has been made

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Speaker 2: if the word black was used instead of white, regardless

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Speaker 2: of the court case, the ramifications for Kerr would be

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and I don't think Sam Kerr should be captain

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Speaker 8: the team also needs to be questioned. As many others

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Speaker 8: not sure whether what she said, you know, should have

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Speaker 8: the trial and the fact that she's never really properly apologized.

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Speaker 8: when you're the captain, you're probably the most prominent women's

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Speaker 8: look up to you. She's also violated Football Australia's Code

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Speaker 8: So you know, Football Australia is weak. They're also woke

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Speaker 8: because they supported the Voice to Parliament. They were one

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Speaker 8: a lot of people look at this and say exactly

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Speaker 8: as you've identified. And we saw this with the AFL

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Speaker 8: when tex Walker went through this issue of alleged racist

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Speaker 8: many other consequences. But Sam Kirk gets a magic carpet, right.

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Speaker 8: It's just not fair.

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Speaker 2: The double standard is glaring, and particularly when these organizations

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Speaker 2: and walk the talk, and football Australia have definitely failed

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Speaker 2: to do that. Dan Wild, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your time tonight. Johnny me Now is best selling author

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Speaker 2: Douglas Murray Douglas, I'll get your thoughts on the latest

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Speaker 2: anti Semitic incident in Australia that is making headlines around

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Speaker 2: the world. I'll get your thoughts on that shortly, but

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Speaker 2: let's start with President Donald Trump and his Department of

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Speaker 2: Government Efficiency headed by Elon Musk. They're gutting USAID, something

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Speaker 2: that has alarmed the Democrats, the activist class, and even

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Speaker 2: the Vatican. The Vatican claims this will cost millions of lives,

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Speaker 2: but you wrote a piece for The Spectator arguing that

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Speaker 2: Now, last week, President Donald Trump also signed an executive

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Speaker 1: Entirely.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I mean, you know, the fastest way to

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Speaker 7: And people who had targeted for murder and for the

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Speaker 2: That absolutely to Australia now and sadly we are making

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Speaker 10: So if an Israeli is in Australia and that's forbid,

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Speaker 7: And I suspect they didn't keep that to themselves until

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Speaker 7: And I bet these two couldn't keep their pride in

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Speaker 7: Why wasn't it the case with these two racist anti semites.

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Speaker 11: And every act of kindness that has been shown to

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Speaker 2: There you go, Douglas. They gave the hostages that they

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, as well as torturing them, hanging them

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Speaker 7: Psycho sexual explanation for that, which people far more knowledgeable

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Speaker 7: can also see from the footage, had to learn how

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Speaker 7: to walk again, just in the days before they were released.

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Speaker 1: These men have been.

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Speaker 7: Put through absolute hell by barbarians in Hamaz. And yes,

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Speaker 7: you really do have to have the sort of sick

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Speaker 7: psychology of Ivonn Ridley to believe that if at the

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Speaker 7: end of it you give a so called goodie bag,

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Speaker 7: god knows what that really means in this context to

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Speaker 7: the hostages, that you should in some way be applauded. Fortunately,

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Speaker 7: as it happens, I see the end of Hamaz is

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Speaker 7: very nigh and Yvonne Ridley will be one of those

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Speaker 7: sick Westerners who's going to have to find another death

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Speaker 7: cult to attach herself to because she's not going to

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Speaker 7: have many allies left.

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Speaker 2: Douglas Murray, thank you so much for your time this.

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Speaker 1: Evening, great pleasure.

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Speaker 2: As always still to come, Lefties losing it plas Tulsi

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Speaker 2: Gabbard confirmed, and fresh developments in the US, Ukraine and

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Speaker 2: the Middle East as Trump's foreign policy revolution continues. Army

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Speaker 2: Horowitz as the latest. You're watching the Reader Paney Show,

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Speaker 2: and it's time for lefties losing it. Just when you

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Speaker 2: think the shrews of the view couldn't sink any lower,

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Speaker 2: they go and surprise you by mocking a cute little child. Apparently,

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk's four year old son X is fair game

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Speaker 2: because Whoopee, yes, whoopee, Coldberg has decided to mock his name.

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Speaker 12: Yesterday, Elon Musk took his son X to a press conference.

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Speaker 12: I did not name the child, and I don't want

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Speaker 12: to hear anyone mess about our names. Okay, okay, AnyWho.

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Speaker 2: He took little X.

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Speaker 12: A little instagram?

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Speaker 2: He doesn't.

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Speaker 12: He just took a little X with him to a

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Speaker 12: first conference in the Oval office.

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Speaker 2: You know what, X is an adorable name, and perhaps

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Speaker 2: a grown woman who named herself Whoopie should refrain from

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Speaker 2: mocking a four year old for the name his parents

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Speaker 2: gave him. Yes, Whoopy picked that name for herself. She's

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Speaker 2: actually Karen Elaine Johnson. Now, how did Karen become Whoopie?

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Speaker 2: You're gonna love this. According to Goldberg, once I started

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Speaker 2: getting parts in players, I wanted a name that sounded

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Speaker 2: more interesting. Karen Johnson, wasn't it. Some people at the

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Speaker 2: rep called me Whoopie because I would let loose with

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Speaker 2: a far just charming. Charming. As for X, well, he

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Speaker 2: seems to have more sense than the ladies of the view.

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Speaker 2: Here he is with his father, whattun?

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Speaker 13: I do.

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Speaker 2: Save America? And hell Trump? Okay, now to more wacky

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Speaker 2: antiques from our friends on the left, and sadly these

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Speaker 2: days that includes preachers. Many churches have been corrupted by

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Speaker 2: far left lunatics, and this one from Tennessee seems to

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Speaker 2: be calling for violence against Elon Musk.

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Speaker 3: Have a listen an attempt to take us back to

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Speaker 3: a day that we do not want to go, and

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Speaker 3: we will not go. Therefore there will be conflict. I

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Speaker 3: pray that the peace of God will win out and

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Speaker 3: overcome the madness that is a timpting to take over

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Speaker 3: this nation. And I will say to you, beloved, no

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Speaker 3: one likes violence, but sometimes violence is necessary. When Elon

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Speaker 3: Musk forces his way into the United States Treasury and

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Speaker 3: threatens to steal your personal information and your Social Security check,

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Speaker 3: there is the possibility of violence. Sometimes the devil will

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Speaker 3: act so ugly that you have no other choice but

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Speaker 3: to get violent and.

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Speaker 2: Find say what now, Sometimes violence is necessary, and the

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Speaker 2: devil will act so ugly that you have no other

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Speaker 2: choice but to get violent and fight. That's what he said.

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Speaker 2: Ibilon Mass considers some legal action because that sounded like

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Speaker 2: he was inciting violence. Now to Canada. We're a reverend

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Speaker 2: and LGBT activists preaching that Christians should stop referring to

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Speaker 2: Jesus as their savior because it may be offensive to

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Speaker 2: other religions.

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Speaker 13: There was one word in those bedrock beliefs that began

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Speaker 13: for me to be uncomfortable, problematic. When people now come

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Speaker 13: to our church, many of them will first check the

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Speaker 13: website to see what this church is about what they believe,

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Speaker 13: and many of the folks who did that would tell

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Speaker 13: me out of the community, Bretta. I looked up your

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Speaker 13: church and it sounded reasonable, but when I got to

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Speaker 13: that word savior, it was a problem. It was a

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Speaker 13: problem because I'm from another faith tradition, or it's a

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Speaker 13: problem because.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe that everyone has to.

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Speaker 13: Accept Jesus as personal Lord and savior, like the fundamentalists say.

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Speaker 2: If you're from another faith or you don't think you

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Speaker 2: should accept Jesus as your Lord and savior, then what

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Speaker 2: are you doing in a Christian church? I mean, really,

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Speaker 2: do you think anyone walks into a mosque and demands

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Speaker 2: they stop being so preoccupied with Muhammed? I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: If activists are running your church, then your church isn't

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Speaker 2: really a church anymore. Now, let's check in with possibly

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Speaker 2: the most annoying woman in the world, guess, even more

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Speaker 2: annoying than MSNBC anchors and the ladies of the view.

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Speaker 14: If you're going to be a bigot, be a bigot

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Speaker 14: with your whole lass chest. You'll have to forgive me, Pumpkin.

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Speaker 14: My particular flavor of neurospaciness prefers bluntness. They them, isn't

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Speaker 14: a singular pronoun that you're spouting is wrong?

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Speaker 2: Cute eat us, the APA.

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Speaker 14: MLA, Oxford Dictionary, Mirriam Webster, Chat, GPT, Wikipedia, and basically

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Speaker 14: every source on the Internet. Sweetie, They're all gonna tell

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Speaker 14: you you're wrong.

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Speaker 2: I hate to break it too, sweetie, but just because

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Speaker 2: Wikipedia and other online resources have been corrupted by filef

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Speaker 2: lunacy doesn't mean you or they are right. It just

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Speaker 2: means the rot is deep. It means the transactivists have

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Speaker 2: managed to exercise disproportionate power and try to convince folk

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Speaker 2: that I don't know Day's night white is black men

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Speaker 2: are women. But sadly, there are plenty of brainwash simpletons

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Speaker 2: who have swallowed every argument put forward by the transactivist

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Speaker 2: and that includes the adult daughter of Tim Woles. You

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Speaker 2: remember him, the man who wanted to be vice president.

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Speaker 2: Here is his daughter ranting about Donald Trump's executive order

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Speaker 2: protecting women's sport from male bodies.

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Speaker 15: Signing in an executive order that pertains to one percent

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Speaker 15: of the population is not protecting women. It's setting a

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Speaker 15: dangerous president, and it is dangerous for the trans community, women, minorities,

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Speaker 15: anyone who was not a streetweight man. We are talking

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Speaker 15: about human beings and the President of the United States

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Speaker 15: is targeting them.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, didn't we dodger bullet not having that family in

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Speaker 2: the White House, including Gwen Woles, remember her, my dad.

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Speaker 4: Of Trump.

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Speaker 2: Are turning away terrifying. Instead of her, we got usher vance.

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Speaker 2: I mean, can you think of a better upgrade? And

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Speaker 2: talking about dodging bullets, we also dodged having Kamala as

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Speaker 2: president and her family in the White House. Let's check

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Speaker 2: in now with Kamala's adult step daughter, and she's sprooking

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Speaker 2: some sort of body oil.

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Speaker 9: What I did realize about having body hair is someone

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Speaker 9: always has something to say about it, whether it's good

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Speaker 9: or bad. There's something very shocking still about body hair.

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Speaker 9: Most commonly, I see, I bet you smell bad or damn,

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Speaker 9: that's dirty? Little did and do they know I'm as

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Speaker 9: clean as a whistle and heavily moisturized thanks to fur oil.

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Speaker 9: I've been using this heavily in my daily routine for

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Speaker 9: as long as I have had body hair.

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Speaker 2: And we'll have plenty more lefties losing at content with

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Speaker 2: my next guest. Today, the Justice Department announced it was

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Speaker 2: suing New York over its failure to fully cooperate with

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Speaker 2: federal immigration enforcement. Governor Kathy Hochel, State Attorney General Letitia James,

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Speaker 2: and DMV Chief Mark Schroeder are all in the firing line.

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Speaker 2: Here is US Attorney General Pambondi.

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Speaker 16: We have filed charges against the State of New York.

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Speaker 16: We have filed charges against Kathy Hochel. We have filed

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Speaker 16: charges against Letitia James and Mark Schroeder. This is a

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Speaker 16: new DOJ and we are taking steps to protect Americans,

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Speaker 16: American citizens and Angel moms like the moms standing right

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Speaker 16: behind me, who you're going to hear from in a moment.

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Speaker 16: New York has chosen to prioritize illegal aliens over American citizens.

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Speaker 2: It stops.

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Speaker 16: It stops today.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is filmmaker and journalist Amy Horoidzammy, you're

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Speaker 2: a New Yorker. Why is your state deliberately defying efforts

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Speaker 2: to enforce the.

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Speaker 4: Law beyond belief? Rita.

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Speaker 17: Okay, I mean, the Democrats have just lost an election,

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Speaker 17: not a small part because this issue, maybe primarily because

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Speaker 17: of this issue. They haven't learned a single lesson. It's

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Speaker 17: unbelievable to me. They're actually writing the twenty twenty six

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Speaker 17: script for the Republicans and how they can defeat them again. Okay,

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Speaker 17: I mean, let's take Brandon Johnson, who is the mayor

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Speaker 17: of Chicago, as a case study on this issue.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Brandon Johnson.

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Speaker 17: At fourteen percent approving as a one for RITA, he's

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Speaker 17: the lowest approval rating of any politician in America. He

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Speaker 17: is a lower approval rating than Kendrick Lamar at a

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Speaker 17: Drake family reunion. That's how bad it is for him. Okay,

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Speaker 17: this is a James right who Pam Bondi, by the way,

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Speaker 17: I love her, talked about right there. But this is

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Speaker 17: a James wrote that our laws protect all New Yorkers,

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Speaker 17: all New Yorkers. I'm sorry people have come here illegally.

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Speaker 17: Are not New Yorkers. They are not one of us.

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Speaker 17: They are legally in New York. They are draining our resources,

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Speaker 17: they are causing crime, and they're crowding our street with

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Speaker 17: homelessness and crats alike, natural Republicans, Democrats.

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Speaker 4: These blue cities are sick of it.

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Speaker 17: That's why when you looked at an electoral map, you

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Speaker 17: saw that every single district moved to the right.

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Speaker 4: They may have all vote for Trump, but they moved

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Speaker 4: the right.

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Speaker 17: And then Pam Binding, God bless her Saul, God bless

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Speaker 17: her blonde Saul. Look, she's now threatening to cut off

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Speaker 17: DOJ funding to these blue cities, which in New York

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Speaker 17: alone got one point five billion dollars and overall they're

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Speaker 17: going to write billion dollars.

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Speaker 4: I'm here for it, man, So what we got to do.

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Speaker 2: They are not messing around, like she said. It's a

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Speaker 2: new Justice Department and they're going to be enforcing the law.

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Speaker 2: And you would think New York, of all places, just

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Speaker 2: with the rising violent crime, the fact that a couple

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Speaker 2: of months ago you had a poor woman burnt to

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Speaker 2: death on the on the train in the Metro by

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Speaker 2: an illegal immigrants, you would think and this would focus

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Speaker 2: their minds but apparently not. Now let's move on to

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Speaker 2: another win for President Trump, with the US Senate confirming

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Speaker 2: Tulsi Gabbard as the Director of National Intelligence. Here is

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Speaker 2: Toulci being sworn in by Pambondi.

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Speaker 4: You solemnly swear that I will support.

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Speaker 6: Ended in the Constitution of the United States.

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Speaker 2: Former Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell was the only Republican

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Speaker 2: to vote against Tulsi's confirmation, though these days, with his condition,

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Speaker 2: one wonders if someone else is pulling McConnell's strings. Remember this,

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Speaker 2: Did you.

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Speaker 6: Hear the question, senator running for reelection in twenty twenty six?

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Speaker 6: All right, I'm sorry you are working a new minute, senator.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, they did more than a minute. He just

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Speaker 2: frozen there. I mean, tell me what this confirmation means

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Speaker 2: for the Trump administration.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, by the way, that was not easy to watch

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Speaker 17: even a third or fourth time with mich McConnell. Look,

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Speaker 17: it means that Trump has won again. He has got

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Speaker 17: everybody who once confirmed. It seems that he has got

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Speaker 17: the entire Publican party in line backing him and even

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Speaker 17: his more controversial picks, including RFK and including.

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Speaker 4: Telsea Gabbert, who, to be honest, I wasn't a big

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Speaker 4: fan of hers.

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Speaker 17: I think there were a better choice than her, But

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Speaker 17: it was Trump choices where he went and look, you

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Speaker 17: got it in My hats are off. That was That

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Speaker 17: was a difficult confirmation to get over the line, and

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Speaker 17: he did with almost no problem.

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Speaker 2: Now, don't go anywhere. We've gotten more from Army Horowitz

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Speaker 2: after the break, including negotiations to end the war in

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Speaker 2: Ukraine and Donald Trump's deadline for Hermas. Welcome back. I'm

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Speaker 2: joined with Army Horowitz. Army. The wins keep on coming

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Speaker 2: for the Trump administration. With Russia releasing a US hostage,

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Speaker 2: the White House secured the release of Pennsylvania teacher Mark Fogel,

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Speaker 2: who had been wrongfully detained for almost four years in

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Speaker 2: Russia after being arrested with legally prescribed marijuana. Let's hear

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Speaker 2: from Mark Fogel.

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Speaker 10: I feel like the luckiest man on earth right now,

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Speaker 10: and I want you to know that I am not

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Speaker 10: a hero in this at all, and President Trump is

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Speaker 10: a hero. These men that came from the Diplomatic Service

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Speaker 10: are heroes.

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Speaker 2: And earlier today we heard that negotiation to end the

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Speaker 2: war in Ukraine are set to begin after President Trump

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Speaker 2: had what he called a lengthy and highly productive conversation

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Speaker 2: with Vladimir Putin. Ukrainian President Zelensky has welcomed the push

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Speaker 2: for pace. Now, Ami, what is the timeline for these negotiations.

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Speaker 2: We know Donald Trump said that he could secure peace

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Speaker 2: in record time, and is that achievable after three years

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Speaker 2: of war?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: First of all, it was great to see another American

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Speaker 17: hostage released from the clutches of Putin and Russia. I

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Speaker 17: think that they moved in far more and it was

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Speaker 17: alacrity to get rid of get to get him there,

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Speaker 17: as opposed to Biden, which took him years actually to

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Speaker 17: call Mark Fogel wrongfully detained, whereas.

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Speaker 4: He moved very quickly to get.

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Speaker 17: A brighter out and traded for the merchant of death

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Speaker 17: Victor bout as far to Ukraine, Europe and the United States.

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Speaker 17: I think what you're seeing here is absolutely fascinating. First

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Speaker 17: of all, looks like we are going to be moving

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Speaker 17: very very quickly towards a deal, and you're seeing the

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Speaker 17: Europeans actually fall in line with the rhetoric to align

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Speaker 17: with Trump. You're going to see a lot of that

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Speaker 17: with the Munich security conference happening, You're going to see

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Speaker 17: a lot of their rhetoric, in fact, start to mirror

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Speaker 17: an echo where Trump is saying. What he's basically saying is, guys,

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Speaker 17: we have to have a deal here. This can't go

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Speaker 17: on forever.

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Speaker 4: Russia.

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Speaker 17: You're not gonna take Kiev and Ukraine. You're not going

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Speaker 17: to take back don Vassi Krim. Yet that's the deal,

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Speaker 17: and that's the deal's going to be made, I think,

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Speaker 17: and I think hopefully also throwing I think it's important

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Speaker 17: for us not to to Ukraine in NATO. I've been

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Speaker 17: against that from the beginning. I'm still against them now

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Speaker 17: and I think so was Trump. And I think the

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Speaker 17: sad part of this is that we all knew this

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Speaker 17: is where it was going years ago, yet it's still

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Speaker 17: Ukraine had to, you know, to expand blood and treasure

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Speaker 17: to essentially be at the same place where it would

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Speaker 17: have been three years ago. I think also what has

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Speaker 17: been talked about, and I think it is great, is

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Speaker 17: Trump is saying, look, we have been funding Ukraine for years, rightly,

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Speaker 17: so at the same time.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Europe, you have to pay him up more money.

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Speaker 17: Right You are in their crosshairs, You are in the

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Speaker 17: same content as Russia. You have a responsibility in the

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Speaker 17: fact he's gotten to do that. Moreover, I'm also glad

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Speaker 17: to see they's telling Ukraine this is not cost free,

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Speaker 17: like we are funding you guys, but essentially we want

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Speaker 17: to be paid back. I think the idea of us

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Speaker 17: making a deal for the important mental resources that and

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Speaker 17: to buy them from Ukraine, I think it's great.

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Speaker 4: I think it's important.

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Speaker 17: I think this can't be cost free, and I think

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Speaker 17: ultimately that's what he is going to look like. And

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Speaker 17: you know, I don't know if he's to win a

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Speaker 17: Nobel Peace Prize for this. He didn't last time last

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Speaker 17: year when he should have when he broke with the

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Speaker 17: Abraham Accords, which was like low key one of the

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Speaker 17: greatest foreign policy accomplishments in the last fifty years, didn't

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Speaker 17: win it for that.

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Speaker 4: Let's see if they pass him over now for Ukraine deal.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's also got the deadline for Hamas to release

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Speaker 2: all the hostages that's fast approaching. Amy President Trump said

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Speaker 2: he wants them all really by midday Saturday, or all

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Speaker 2: hell will break loose. What's the latest on that and

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Speaker 2: are we days away from the ceasefire ending?

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Speaker 17: Look time will tell Israel was pretty confident that the

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Speaker 17: ceasefire was actually going to hold. I'm having my doubts,

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Speaker 17: and so are many Israelis. Yeah, look, I think Camas

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Speaker 17: has made the decision, and they said, you know, they

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Speaker 17: gave up the hostages quickly, the first tranche of them

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Speaker 17: because they were relatively healthy looking. You know, the hostages

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Speaker 17: were held in different places, were treated differently. I think

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Speaker 17: this next tranch of hostages hostages, I think one will

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Speaker 17: see that they were tortured and scarred and starved, and

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Speaker 17: I think it's not a good look for Camas. You

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Speaker 17: have Jews looking like their Holocaust survivors. I'm sorry to

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Speaker 17: say that, but that's what we're looking. That's what we're facing,

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Speaker 17: and Hamas doesn't want to have that blowback. I think

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Speaker 17: it's important to note the difference between the rhetoric of

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Speaker 17: the Trump administration versus what the rhetoric of the Biden

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Speaker 17: administration has been in the past. Trump is telling Israel,

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Speaker 17: you do what you got to do. You have free rate,

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Speaker 17: this is your decision. To make no doubt that if

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Speaker 17: Biden was president, he would force Israel to keep the

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Speaker 17: term of the ceasefire, even though comes has violated.

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Speaker 4: We know this because he's done in the past.

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Speaker 17: He could jole, and he pushed, and he threatened, and

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Speaker 17: he embargoed Israel for defending herself. So I think that

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Speaker 17: Israel finds herself in an enviewable position where it can

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Speaker 17: make its own foreign policy decisions and decide how it

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Speaker 17: wants to treat its neighbor in a time of war.

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Speaker 4: I think Israel's benefiting from that for sure.

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Speaker 2: And we saw the Jordanian king at the White House

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Speaker 2: earlier this week. It's clear that President Trump wants those

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Speaker 2: countries to do more Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon. Perhaps he wants

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Speaker 2: them to pull their weight and not have the West

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Speaker 2: carrying the weight of this crisis. How do you see

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Speaker 2: that progressing? Do you say those countries taking in Palestinian refugees,

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Speaker 2: resettling them or are they going to continue to refuse

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Speaker 2: to do that.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't see them taking them in.

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Speaker 17: Look, I think they have They know what they've gotten

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Speaker 17: themselves into when they took it past refugees the first

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Speaker 17: time around. Palestinians are particularly radical. They've radicalized the population

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Speaker 17: of the country, the de venters. They've caused tremendous amount

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Speaker 17: of issues and problems and angst for those countries.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think they're looking.

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Speaker 17: To take in more radical Hamas Palestinians into their country.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think Trump has a certain amount.

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Speaker 17: Of leverage with them, but I think they're going to

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Speaker 17: hold a whole truth that I think he has more

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Speaker 17: leverage to say to the to the air world, Look,

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Speaker 17: you guys have the finance reconstruction of Gaza, that that

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Speaker 17: shouldn't be on the shoulders of the United States and Europe,

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Speaker 17: that really, this is your region, your area.

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Speaker 4: You need to shold that loads.

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Speaker 17: But I think ultimately, look, I think the Palestinians are

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Speaker 17: going to remember this were this campaign for generations. I

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Speaker 17: think they hopefully have come to the realization that when

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Speaker 17: you spill Jewish blood there are real prices and consequences

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Speaker 17: for those actions, and hopefully we'll have a better and

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Speaker 17: more stable Middle East because of it.

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Speaker 2: I fear that lesson is not going to be learned.

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Speaker 2: But I think the normalization of relationships in the Middle

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Speaker 2: East to Saudi Arabia and Israel, for example, if that

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Speaker 2: comes in the next few months or even in Trump's

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Speaker 2: second term, that will have an enormous difference because It

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Speaker 2: just shifts the entire understanding of how that region works.

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Speaker 2: For so long, we're told that until the Palestinians have statehood,

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Speaker 2: you can never have relationships normalized in that region, and

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Speaker 2: Trump with the Abraham Accords show that that was a fallacy.

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Speaker 2: So it's going to be fascinating to observe. Just before

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Speaker 2: you go, I want to ask you about the World

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Speaker 2: Health Organization TRUMPSA, We're drawn from it Argentina. Argentina is

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Speaker 2: set to follow and the whod chief is now panicking,

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Speaker 2: is pleading with other countries to help get the US

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Speaker 2: to reconsider. How do you say this resolving? Are we

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Speaker 2: going to see the World Health Organization reformed or just

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Speaker 2: more countries leaving?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I'm sorry, Worth, World Health Organization.

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Speaker 17: Maybe you shouldn't have partnered with with China in hiding

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Speaker 17: the coronavirus. Maybe you would have a little more credibility

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Speaker 17: in the world stage, and particularly the United States. Are

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Speaker 17: they going to reform themselves? That's not the DNA of

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Speaker 17: the United Nations and its organizations. Reform is not what

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Speaker 17: they do. Look Argentina, love it. Bila my spirit animal.

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Speaker 17: Following the Trump's lead, I'm all down for it. I

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Speaker 17: hope more country will follow suit. There has to be

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Speaker 17: a price to pay for these organizations. They can't simply

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Speaker 17: continue doing the same actions that are harming the United States,

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Speaker 17: harming the world, and continue to say we're going to

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Speaker 17: get more money from you. It doesn't work that we

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Speaker 17: have to use the leverage we do. The leverage we

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Speaker 17: have is economic. I'm glad we're doing it. Hopefully we'll

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Speaker 17: make a change.

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Speaker 2: Amy Horowitz, thank you so much for your time, and

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Speaker 2: that's it from me. Up next is Newsnight, but don't

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Speaker 2: forget Left is losing it Tomorrow night at nine