WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 8 June 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:07.360 From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hey, 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:09.880 good evening, wonderful to be here with you, Philly in 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:12.440 for the great man Paul Murray. Here on Paul Murray Live. 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:14.840 We've got a huge show coming up for you this 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:19.040 Sunday night, midway through the King's Birthday long weekend. Watch 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.520 those Dolda merits. I hope you're having a great time. 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.720 I know I am. So let us have some fun 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:29.000 with all our friends tonight, including Matt Canavan and Darren Barnett. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.160 Might be a little bit of fresh in there. And 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.120 a little later actually after that, Toroy, we're gonna have 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.479 Will Kingston. He's gonna pop into the party from London 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:39.760 to talk about a lot of nutty stuff happening there. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.040 But first, you know what, I'm gonna get to the 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:47.200 incredible scenes from the US in just a few minutes, 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.560 you know, all those riots in Los Angeles, and also 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.440 touch on the latest bizarre move by Tony Burke and 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:58.080 the alban Ezy government, because there is a lot to 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:02.520 say about both these storesries and what they say about 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:07.000 the current state of the multicultural agenda and our social 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:13.800 cohesion here in the West. And spoiler alert, it's not good, 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:18.240 but you know what, let's deal with some local politics first. Now, 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.560 just because it's a long weekend doesn't mean the business 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:25.280 of government and opposition takes a break. And probably one 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.120 of the busiest beavers in politics at the moment is 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.840 none other than Senator James Patterson, the Victorian who's just 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:35.160 picked up the shadow finance portfolio with the Susan Lay 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:39.600 reshuffle and who is in a way sort of continuing 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:44.000 the campaign's spokesman role he had during the election now 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:46.800 going into the fray. This morning, there was Patterson mixing 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.760 it up with David Spears over at the ABC. The 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.800 big elephant in the room, of course, was the US 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:58.120 and the potential meeting between Prime Minister Anthony Albanizi and 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.640 US President Donald Trump. In the context of Australia's anemic 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.800 defense spending, labors need to get a trade deal and 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.639 the White Houses desire to get more access to our 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.799 markets while just maybe also getting us to up our 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.200 game a little bit when it comes to freedom of 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.240 speech too. So here's a bit of Patterson talking trade 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:22.520 deals with David Spears. 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.560 The UK has done a deal with Donald Trump and 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:31.360 that involves granting unprecedented access for American beef to the 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:32.320 British market. 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.600 Are you saying Australia should do that, No, I'm not 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:37.000 saying that. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.280 David is essentially saying he should get the deal that 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:44.079 Keys Starmer has got without doing what Kistarmer has done 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:44.560 to get it. 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:47.240 No, I'm not saying that, David. 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.680 I'm just saying that Key Starmer proves that it is 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.680 possible to get an exemption. It is not an impossible task. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.799 And what we ask and expect of the Prime Minister 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.400 is that he put our best foot forward, that he 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.720 make those arguments. I have to say, I think that 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.000 would have been much easier if, like Kistarmer, the Prime 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:04.960 Minister had made the effort to go and meet the 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:06.280 president earlier than he has. 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:06.560 Now. 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.600 It's seven months on since the president was elected, and 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.880 other world leaders like Kiirstarmer and Emmanuel mccron have made 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:14.640 the trip to the United States and I'd met with 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.960 a president multiple times in multiple forums. The Australian Prime 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:19.040 Minister has not yet done so. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.440 And you know what he's right about that the Prime 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.359 Minister has not gone to Washington. He's only had a 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.840 couple of phone calls that we know of I suspect 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:31.240 he's a little bit nervous about the whole thing. Meanwhile, 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.720 here on Sky, Trade Minister Don Farrell would not be 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.480 drawn on the question of whether or not Albo would 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.600 even wind up getting that meeting with the President at 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.000 next weekend's G seven sub meeting. 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:48.920 We'll see what happens this time next next weekend. 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.880 Who knows anyway. Farrell also said that he had met 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:59.040 with US Trade Representative jameson Greer and that well, things 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:00.920 went about as well could be expected. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.680 Look, he certainly made it clear that these are ultimately 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.400 decisions that the President of the United States will make, 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.520 but he Look, it was a friendly it was a 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.760 friendly discussion. It wasn't a difficult discussion in terms of 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:20.680 the relationship between US. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.200 Well, he would say that, wouldn't he. But there's still 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.240 a few things that need to be worked out. One, 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.800 of course, is the question of market access for American 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.160 beef producers, which was flagged just a moment ago by 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:39.720 Senator Patterson. Two, there's a much bigger issue of defense spending. 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.359 Now we know the Trump administration wants us to go 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.360 to three point five percent of GDP. The coalition, I 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.719 think is saying three percent. And we know that this 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.080 is a very big issue with Donald Trump, because if 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:56.600 there is anything Trump cannot stand, it's a freeloader. And 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:01.400 looking on Australia and our anemic defense as well, he 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.800 might very well think that charge would stick. And then 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.279 there's another issue though, and this issue doesn't I think 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.159 get enough play here in Australia because maybe we don't 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.240 think it's quite as important as they do in America. 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.960 But let me tell you as an American, they do 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.240 think it's important. And that's the issue of free speech. 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.159 And I really am wondering now if anyone the Trump 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.400 administration has heard about this next story I'm going to 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:29.240 talk about, because I have a feeling that it is 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.560 the sort of thing that could cause a few issues. 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.839 It has to do with free speech and a lot more. Now, 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.680 last night words started going around and this morning the 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:44.559 Australian newspaper confirmed it that Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:50.600 had canceled the visa of this man, Israeli businessman, entrepreneur 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.720 and influencer, Hillel Foold. He's also an American citizen as well. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.360 Now this is of course the same Home affair as 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.839 minister who canceled this visa, who who also presided over 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:06.240 bringing in nearly three thousand gozzins that no one I 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.719 know asked for to be brought here, and who the 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:13.240 government claims were ventted properly, although some people questioned that. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.200 And of course it's the same Home Affairs minister who 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:20.719 also famously presided over all of those river these the 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:26.120 big citizenship factories, I mean citizenship ceremonies in Western Sydney 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.640 seats in the weeks before the last election, where newly 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.120 minted Australians were practically handed labor how to vote cards 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.039 along with their new citizenship certificates and piece of waterle 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.520 But what's the deal with Hillel Fooled? Why wasn't he 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.400 allowed if all these other things could happen. Well, he 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:48.040 was apparently too much for Burke. His presidence in Australia 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.120 was too much, or perhaps more accurately, it was too 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:55.600 much for the Palestinian and Muslim pressure groups who organized 0:06:55.680 --> 0:07:00.120 letter writing and pressure campaigns to stop Fooled from being 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:04.240 allowed to come to Australia. Now I'm sure at this 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:08.760 point you're asking, well, what is this guy accused of doing? 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.559 What does he said, what's his story? Why are people 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:15.560 so scared of him? Why does Tony Burke intervening stop 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.320 him from coming in the country. Well, what has he 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.480 done that's gotten the activist into such an absolute flap? Well, 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:26.360 according to the Australian Home Affairs officials concluded that mister 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:31.400 Fold had a documented pattern, they said, of sharing provocative content, 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:36.720 including broad attacks on the Palestine identity, denial of documented 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:40.840 atrocities in Gaza. Enclaims that large segments of the Buzzim 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:46.400 population support terrorism. Unquote, well, I don't know, denial of 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:51.400 documented atrocities. Does that mean that if you don't accept 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:55.640 the hamas mystery of health, wildly inflated death tolls, you 0:07:55.680 --> 0:08:00.679 were suddenly persona non grata in Australia. And in another 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.120 update reported in the Australian newspaper tonight, now we also 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.080 learned that the Albanza government is now facing pressure from 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:12.320 Washington after US Ambassador Israel Mike Huckabee made a personal 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:17.160 appeal to Minister Tony Burke to overturn the visa cancelation. 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:22.080 That's big. Now, back to what Fuld had to say, 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.520 I don't know about all Muslims, but we do certainly 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.880 know what Gozins think. In the months after the October 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.920 seven autrocities, one respected study found that three in four 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:36.960 Gozzins supported the attacks. So for this and other reasons, 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.400 Fuld had his visa polled. And now it's become an 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:45.080 international incident with the Americans, just as we are about 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:49.440 to go into these crucial trade talks, potentially Mano Almano 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:54.240 with Albanesi and Donald Trump at the G seven. Great timing, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:59.800 Minister Burke, really well done. And of course this cancelation 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:04.160 of little Foods visa follows two other Israelis, including a 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.800 former government minister, having been barred with attending a conference 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.600 in Australia, a conference that I actually attended at the 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.720 end of last year. Now this is all very relevant, 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.280 I think, not just to our own civil society, because 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:22.000 the same government that allowed our capital cities to be 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:26.280 filled with radical pro Palestinian demonstrators every week, with some 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:31.000 of those people supporting terror groups like Hesblah, Well, this 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.240 same government seems to have a real problem, a much 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:39.120 bigger problem when it comes to Israelis coming to Australia 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:43.480 to put their case, their side of the argument on 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:48.200 our soil. I wonder why that is. And again I 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.240 also wonder if the Trump White House, which has made 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.480 such a big deal about European countries living up to 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.920 the ideals of free speech, might also be casting an 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:03.560 eye down under a wondering what's going on here where 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.719 not only do we have an e Safety Commissioner and 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.360 all sorts of other regimes, but now they don't even 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.280 want to let this Israeli guy come in and again 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:16.439 make his side of the Israeli case. Well, it's a 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.199 good question because at the heart of this are questions 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:24.360 about deeper questions about multiculturalism and whether this whole project 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.120 is really working or whether they're in service of an 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:31.040 idea that every politician pays lip service to but which 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.560 no one ever actually had a vote on. We are 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:38.320 now going to see ever more restrictions on our liberties 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.760 in the idea of this wooly concept of social cohesion 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:47.000 that was ultimately what Fold's cancelation was all about. Now 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.320 New South Wales Premier Chris Mins let the cat out 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.959 of the bag disgracefully, I think on this some months 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.280 ago when he made this comment. 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.640 So stride doesn't have the phrase bach lows that are 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.640 in play in America, and for one very important reason, 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.000 because we have developed a multicultural community where it doesn't 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.600 matter what your faith or your religion is, you must 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.920 leave side by side with your neighbor in peace. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.439 I'm sorry, come again now, Look, I mean a multicultural, 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.800 multi ethnic society is great, and in many ways we 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.040 do it very well in Australia, better than an awful 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:25.160 lot of countries. But at the same time, do you 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.400 remember ever being asked whether you'd rather trade your right 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:33.960 to free speech for multiculturalism a multi ethnic society. I 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:38.840 don't because if we're not careful, well, let me show 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.760 you where we're gonna end up. Have a look at 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:45.640 this picture. It's really dramatic, really striking, kind of beautiful 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.480 in some sort of way. It was taken in Los 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:52.160 Angeles just a few hours ago, where protesters have been 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:56.360 all day long squaring off against police and Homeland Security 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:01.400 and ICE officials and the Trump administration's immigration raids seeking 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.880 to deport illegal migrants back to their home countries in 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.439 accordance with the law. The left doesn't like that very much. 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:13.080 But what do you note about this picture here? Now, 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:19.040 our friend, our amigo here is carrying a Mexican flag 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:23.600 to protest the deportation of illegal aliens in the United 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.920 States or from the United States. He's not carrying an 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.000 American flag. He's not carrying the flag of the country 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:33.640 whose promise and dream he wants to be a part of, 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.360 who these migrants who are going to be deported want 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.680 to be a part of. No, he's carrying the flag 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:44.600 of the country that he is protesting against people, possibly 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:49.840 including himself, being sent back to I don't think it 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.360 makes a lot of logical sense to you. But there's 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.840 something more wrong with this too, because what that really represents, 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:01.679 I think is separatism. That's the end point of multiculturalism. 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.200 You may be in America, but your identity is Mexican 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:10.000 or Peruvian, or Japanese or Chinese or whatever, not American first. 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.760 And it is the end result of years here of 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:18.200 undermining American borders and the American ideal by the left end, 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.560 particularly the Biden administration, which over four years imported millions 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:26.760 of people from developing nations around the world. Personally, I 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:32.120 believe to help them secure a long term, permanent advantage 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.360 for the Democrat Party. Now other scenes have been even 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.480 more dramatic in La and Donald Trump is now threatening 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.360 to not only mobilize marines and the National Guard, but 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:48.079 also he is talking about cutting federal funds from California. 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:50.880 Let's have a look at some of these protests, which 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:55.840 look far from spontaneous. Journalist Anthony Cabasa has been doing 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:59.079 some wonderful work on the ground, and here he's captured 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.800 footage of protesters who are emptying out buckets full of 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.480 rocks and empty glass and beer bottles and putting some 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:10.080 kind of liquid or gas into them. Gosh, God knows 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.400 what's going on there. It doesn't look good and it 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:17.040 also again doesn't look spontaneous. These are not organic protests, 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.960 I don't think. Cabasa said he was not sure what 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.120 the plan was for the bottles, but the rocks were 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.120 used shortly after to be thrown at the police. And 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:30.520 he also captured this extraordinary footage too, of rioters trying 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.000 to burn down buildings in La Let's have just a 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:51.600 little look. Yes, very nice there, and here's protesters firing 0:14:51.720 --> 0:15:02.440 large rocks at the cops. Again, well we know where 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:06.000 this is going. Of course, eventually non lethal munitions were authorized. 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:21.920 Here's a protester being carried away from the front Line. Meanwhile, 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.560 someone else captured this footage of demonstrators posing in front 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:40.560 of a burning automobile holding again, Mexican flags. How's your 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.120 melting pot going there, California. I mean, that doesn't look 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:48.320 very much like a nicely integrated society to me. No, 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.320 those are the sort of scenes that you know, it's 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.200 pretty hard to avoid this word, but you know, it 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:58.200 looks like the scenes from an invasion. And amazingly, the 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:03.040 Los Angeles Police Department has issued a statement about today's 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.240 and I'm not kidding. Yes, this is what they said 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:11.200 in the thing peaceful protests. That's right, they did the 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:16.160 CNN thing. Anyway, this is where it all leads what 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.400 you're seeing in California. If a nation doesn't stand up 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.360 for the idea of itself, you have loss of freedoms, 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:26.320 well like we do here, and that leads to division, separatism, 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.080 and of course these sorts of scenes fixing the problem, 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:35.160 shutting off the illegal immigrations, bigot, and undoing the damage 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.560 of the Biden administration. Now you can see this is 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:44.160 clearly Donald Trump's number one domestic policy goals. He knows, 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:49.920 he understands that this represents an existential crisis. Left unchecked 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:54.120 for America and the Americans who voted him into office, Well, 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.640 you know what they agree. Look at this. This was 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.880 a poll that was taken just before last year's election. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.560 It found that eighty six percent of Republicans and fifty 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:09.840 eight percent of independence said yes, mass deportations the sort 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:13.200 of thing that these people are protesting against in California, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:17.280 these mass deportations. That's what we're here for, that's what 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.359 we're voting for. That's what we want. And it's that 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.920 majority of Democrats on the other side, seventy five percent 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.960 of that we've disagreed with the idea, who now seem 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:31.480 intent on stopping not only the deportations, but the democratic 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:36.320 will of the people from being enacted. And as I 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.320 have been warning on this program and others for months now, 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:45.639 they are promising another return to the twenty twenty style 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:50.320 Black Lives Matter, Summer of Love riots in response. And 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.280 you know what I told you so, because it looks 0:17:53.400 --> 0:18:01.280 like it's already arrived. Hey. Now joining me now from 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.720 the UK is Will Kingston, host of The Spectator Australia's 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:08.840 Fire at Will podcast. Will great to have you here. 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.280 Thank you so much for joining me. Tonight here. I've 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.879 just been speaking here about the social cohesion problems that 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:20.000 we have in the US and in Australia and different 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.800 sort of ways that's manifesting themselves. But I wanted to 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.320 talk to you about this other story which I found 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:29.199 really disturbing out of the UK, where Prevent, which is 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:33.919 an anti terror government body, has decided now that people 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:38.320 who are conservatively minded on the right and who believe 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.040 things that are of the sort of thing that a 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.080 lot of people who are watching the show probably thinks 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:46.600 sounds perfectly sensible, like Western culture is under threat for 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:50.720 mass migration and lack of integration, Well that people like 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:55.439 this are somehow threats, bigger threats and should somehow be 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.520 re educated. Will tell me about this and what's going 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.920 on here in Britain, because didn't the Prime mister Kiir 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.720 Starmra see something very similar to this the other day 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.719 when he said the nation was becoming an island of strangers. 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.200 Yes, he did, in one of the most cynical plays 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.000 that I can recall from a politician, given that he's 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:20.520 been an open borders multiculturalism advocate for his entire career. James, 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.119 it is interesting and it gets me thinking about this 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.359 have we reached the end of work conversation. I'm speaking 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.520 to Andrew Doyle tomorrow. He's saying that we have reached 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.320 the end of work. Pars Morgan's got a book out 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.280 saying pretty much the same thing. My argument would be, 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.400 I don't think we are because you look at potties 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:41.200 like this, these sorts of quangos, these semi governmental organizations. 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.399 Even if the politicians like kiss Darma start saying the 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.800 bleeding obvious that multiculturalism has failed, in fact hasn't worked 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.439 wherever it's been tried, and I include Australia in that 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.960 you still have this layer of the bureaucracy in dark 0:19:56.040 --> 0:20:00.159 corners of Westminster or in Canberra that will conte he 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:05.080 knew to push this sort of ideology often outside of 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.800 the view of the politicians. And this is why I think, 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.680 you know, particularly as we look to the future, we've 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.800 got to start thinking about that sort of administrative layer 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.119 that sits in Camera, that sits in the US, that 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.600 sits in the UK, that will keep pushing this sort 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.800 of divisive stuff because they're still committed to it, even 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.760 if the politicians are now realizing, particularly in the UK, 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:30.000 that this multicultural ideology is electrically toxic. 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.280 Well, and you know it's really funny, Will, because this 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.760 sort of thing, that sort of thinking manifests itself in 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:38.919 so many ways. I mean, Sunday nights, we should have 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:42.160 a little bit of lightheartedness here, at least Sunday night here. 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.560 But there was a story that just shows how the 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.720 sort of the rat of all of this sort of thing, 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.440 this sort of thinking goes, and how deep it goes. 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:55.000 It touches everything. You know, the Michelin Guides, the restaurant 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.560 guide that gives you a stars star ratings, you know, 0:20:57.720 --> 0:20:59.280 and all the chefs want of everyone's going to the 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:05.000 Michelin starts. Well, now they're being urged to decolonize and 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.119 being told that they're racist. And I also thought this 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.639 was pretty funny for you know, an organization that rates 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.120 restaurants that generally costs like five hundred one thousand bucks 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.040 ahead to go to they're being accused of being a leanist. 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:18.399 I mean, tell me about this. 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:24.119 Yeah, welcome to another edition of What's Racist This Week? 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.840 And these is the stories they pop up every week. Now, 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:31.840 you know, diets are racist, or punctuality is racist, or 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.840 climate change is racist, And whenever these stories pop up, 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:40.439 I do think, how can someone's psychology bring them to 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:44.320 such a silly argument? And the best answer I can 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:50.479 come to is for radical identity politics leftists, race and 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.240 identity politics more generally is the only prism through which 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:56.440 they see the world, so they naturally assume that other 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.520 people must only see the world through that lens. It's 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:02.760 an entire monocusal way of looking at things, and we 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.320 don't live in a monocusal world. There is a completely 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:08.920 obvious alternative explanation here, and that is the Michelin Guide 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:12.480 doesn't operate in places like Africa or India, or in Australia, 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.800 I might add, because those tourism boards haven't forked out 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.960 the money in order for Michelin to establish themselves there. 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.040 But the left doesn't see it that way. It has 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.439 to be racism, it can't be an alternative. So whenever 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.080 I have this conversation with one of these fruit loops, 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:28.560 the first thing is you will just ask are there 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:32.639 any other alternative explanations for why this is happening as 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:36.000 opposed to racism? And look, they probably won't change their views, 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:38.280 but at least you've tried to do everything you possibly 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:40.199 can to try and get them to think in a 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:41.080 more logical way. 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:44.120 Well, you know, there's a great illargicality at the heart 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:45.919 of this will because one of the words that the 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:50.080 critics of the Michelin Guide use is that word decolonize, 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:53.119 and we hear this word all the time, but of 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:56.320 course it's got this sort of sinister sort of implication 0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:59.080 because it also kind of says that, well, people are 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.480 connected to terrory is And you know, on the one hand, 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:04.879 the left seems to want this sort of free movement 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:07.520 of people, everybody, you know, all around the world, and 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:10.000 at the same time they also believe that everybody has 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:12.720 this kind of like patch of earth that is theirs, 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:14.640 and nobody can cook like people do on that patch 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:16.520 of earth, and nobody has a right to live there 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:19.360 and settle there. And it seems to me that when 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.760 you start talking about decolonization, whether it's Israel and you know, 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:25.480 all of the horror, horrible violence has been done in 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.399 the name of decolonizing you know, that part of the world, 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:30.920 or just in something silly like a restaurant guide, there's 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:34.720 a real fundamental problem because it doesn't make sense these 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:37.040 two competing ideas. 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:42.320 Well, James, if you're looking for logical, coherent leftist argument, 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.919 I think you're probably right in an idea place now, yeah, 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.280 and I think there is there is probably in fairness 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:50.680 an argument that we need to just keep in mind 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:52.840 here for places like the Telegraph, this is where I 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:57.199 saw that story and other center right news organizations, which is, 0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:00.439 it isn't hard to find one looney academy meek in 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:03.880 a university somewhere who's promoting this nonsense. And I think 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.120 you can then actually start to give it more credence 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:10.000 than it actually deserves. This is still not a mainstream 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:12.239 view and despite the fact, and on what I think 0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:15.359 it probably speaks to more is the ideological corruption of 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:18.400 our universities across the West. 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:21.080 Exactly right. And I mean, I'm glad you mentioned the universities. 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.320 We've seen Donald Trump taking on the university and I 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:25.840 think he's had right to do so for that. But 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:28.080 you know, just back to Britain. Let's stick on Britain, 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:30.359 because that's where you are right now. I have been 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:34.639