Speaker 1: Hello Telegraphing podcast on Brent Reed, joined by Pam Whalley.
Speaker 1: If Tim we could do? How are we today?
Speaker 2: It was a good weekend of footing.
Speaker 3: It was Yeah, I'm excited for this Week's such a
Speaker 3: huge week.
Speaker 1: It's a huge, but it's got a huge It starts
Speaker 1: off for the bang with Nelson's saper Solomon and the judiciary.
Speaker 1: Tonight he was charged with a grade three carel so
Speaker 1: I tackled for that shot on Lindsay Collins on Friday Night.
Speaker 1: Do we give him a hope? To give Nelson a hope,
Speaker 1: he's got to get a double downgrade, which is basically
Speaker 1: unheard of. I think it's happened. Maybe once he's got
Speaker 1: to get down to a grade one. Will you watch
Speaker 1: it here? What do you think?
Speaker 3: I think, no hope. I think they've got to try.
Speaker 3: But I think that's a real long shot.
Speaker 4: I think they'll get to a downgrade, but then they
Speaker 4: get a double down grade. So it's a fine with
Speaker 4: early plea. I don't know whether that will happen. Look,
Speaker 4: I still believe if you do the crime, do the time.
Speaker 4: Like I hate this this idea, this chat about Oh
Speaker 4: it's the Grand Final shouldn't miss a Grand Final and
Speaker 4: his work so hard. Yeah he has, but he's also
Speaker 4: this is the third time he's been charged with a
Speaker 4: careless high tackle this year, so he knew he had
Speaker 4: a rap sheet.
Speaker 2: And he hit him in the head.
Speaker 1: The role has changed the rules to around finals instead
Speaker 1: of origin to lessen the impact. I actually think he's
Speaker 1: a chance, you know, because he got a great one
Speaker 1: earlier this year. I think for that the one where
Speaker 1: he cleaned up. But come he who cleaned up? He
Speaker 1: cleaned up monster in the process, one of his teammates,
Speaker 1: and I actually think that one must work like there's
Speaker 1: no I don't think there's a swinging arm in this one.
Speaker 1: I think this is just Nelson because he's.
Speaker 2: So tall that just like dropping his shoulder.
Speaker 1: And I don't even think he's dropped his shoulder. I
Speaker 1: think he's up he's upright because he's so tall, and
Speaker 1: Lindy's a big guy as well. But there's no end
Speaker 1: of a swinging arm there. I actually think he's an
Speaker 1: outside hope here.
Speaker 2: But there's a look I might get a down grad.
Speaker 1: Three is ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Well for stars, I think he's a chance of getting
Speaker 4: a downgrade. But whether whether it's downgraded to the point
Speaker 4: where he's free to play in the Grand Final, I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 2: And again, he does have priors.
Speaker 4: So that's why he ended up with the charge that
Speaker 4: he did, because it was his third and subsequent offense
Speaker 4: this year. And when you actually think about, you know,
Speaker 4: because there has been a lot of head high contact
Speaker 4: this year. There hasn't been a lot of careless tackles
Speaker 4: on itself, but itself, it's probably not that it's nowhere
Speaker 4: near the worst one we've seen. There haven't been that
Speaker 4: many players who have been slapped with a fine that big.
Speaker 4: But the reason why he is at this point is
Speaker 4: because of his priors.
Speaker 1: I reckon he's got a hope. I think they're an
Speaker 1: outside chance. They've got the great nick bar representing him.
Speaker 2: He hasn't had.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: No look, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Look at that and I think, yeah, but maybe not
Speaker 3: a grade three.
Speaker 2: I think you're there.
Speaker 1: Why is with it is? I think Nelson's a bit
Speaker 1: of a victim of his own, like he's not the
Speaker 1: victim obviously that's because Lindsay got n I don't think
Speaker 1: he's lead with the shoulder. I don't think, as I said,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a swinging arm in it. I
Speaker 1: just think he's upright and Linda's sort of breaks for
Speaker 1: the contact and drop his head a little bit, and
Speaker 1: that's why it's contact with the shoulder.
Speaker 2: And you've seen a lot of that.
Speaker 4: Right, we've been upright where the target hasn't been, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe where it should be. And yes, it is harder
Speaker 4: for somebody like Nelson who's six six, But at the
Speaker 4: same time, too, he knows he's sixty six, so there's
Speaker 4: got to be at least some onus, on him and
Speaker 4: every other defender to make sure that their target zone
Speaker 4: is where it should be. And yeah, this is the
Speaker 4: second week in a row where we've had this happen
Speaker 4: from a kickoff. And I don't know whether there is
Speaker 4: a debate to be had about how we deal with
Speaker 4: the kickoff. I don't know if it will solve solve
Speaker 4: that problem, get rid of them. I don't believe that,
Speaker 4: Like you're a big NFL fans that actually used the kickoffs,
Speaker 4: I don't think it'll work.
Speaker 2: I probably couldn't have something similar.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's I think it's almost a frail
Speaker 1: or complete. It will happen eventually. They're just seeing with
Speaker 1: and I don't want it to change either, but I
Speaker 1: think it's just the world we live in.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 1: At some point soon in coming years, the kickoff as
Speaker 1: we know it will change because we've just seen too
Speaker 1: much of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a that makes me sad, and like,
Speaker 3: you understand why, but it's such a.
Speaker 1: But you know what, the game moves on. We got
Speaker 1: rid of the show of the charge was punching. We
Speaker 1: basically got with the scrums like life moves on. So
Speaker 1: you know, we'll miss it initially, I reckon, but we'll
Speaker 1: live to accept it. And eventually there'll be a generation
Speaker 1: of people who won't even remember kickoffs.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like there's almost a generation now that don't remember
Speaker 1: punching in the game. It only happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm already saying back in my day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, we're getting old.
Speaker 4: We're getting old, and maybe it's not a matter of
Speaker 4: getting rid of the kickoff.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a matter of maybe just changing that pressure.
Speaker 4: Not even you know a lot of these incidents happened
Speaker 4: when there's three players in the tackle, so maybe it's.
Speaker 2: On a kickoff.
Speaker 4: Maybe you know it's only two players you're allowed, and
Speaker 4: that third is kind of the one that wrestles to
Speaker 4: the ground rather than going in for the big impact hit.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I do think we'll get we'll see a variation. Whether
Speaker 4: they rub it out completely, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Now. What about this game, the Storm were ridiculously good
Speaker 1: again and their spine we're outstanding. Pappenhaus and Harry Jerome
Speaker 1: and Cam Munster were just ridiculously good in this game.
Speaker 2: I love them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're so good.
Speaker 3: They're so good, and I just think they're also really
Speaker 3: likable as well. I don't know if you guys. Do
Speaker 3: you guys listen to their podcast too. I hate to
Speaker 3: plug another podcast, but.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: It's a computation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're really funny, Like they just they're very like
Speaker 3: they have intelligent conversations. They have great interviews. Yeah, they're
Speaker 3: really good. And then so between them seven.
Speaker 2: Tries yeh, triszy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they played a different speed. Like the thing
Speaker 1: I noticed about them, they played a different speed to
Speaker 1: everyone else, Like when they get gone, when they get
Speaker 1: a roll on, they're so everything happened.
Speaker 2: So quickly, and they just look like they're just having fun.
Speaker 2: They really are.
Speaker 3: They look like they're those kids in you know, under
Speaker 3: twelves and you just give them the ball and they're
Speaker 3: like the standout kids on the field and they're just
Speaker 3: having a great time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny to say that because that's how people
Speaker 4: would describe Penrith at the peak of their powers, definitely
Speaker 4: loving and enjoining their footy. What really impressed me about
Speaker 4: the four on the weekend was the week in Week one,
Speaker 4: people saying, you know, Harry absolutely killed that Droone was
Speaker 4: good munster, like ran the house down, but Papenhausen was
Speaker 4: a little bit quiet, and then he was just monumental
Speaker 4: in this game. So yeah, when you look at that,
Speaker 4: I mean, and we've spoken a little bit about it
Speaker 4: off air about you know, how have sort of built
Speaker 4: this team and it's around those four big guys, and
Speaker 4: it's going to be those guys if they're going to
Speaker 4: win on Sunday. You would think that the Spines will
Speaker 4: decide who wins on Sunday.
Speaker 1: It's great story Paps because obviously Papinas he has had
Speaker 1: that serious injury problems over the years and he's strung
Speaker 1: some games to this year we've seen the best of
Speaker 1: him again. He's a great story. They've got you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's such a good bloke, such.
Speaker 2: A nice siding.
Speaker 1: Yeah to watch.
Speaker 4: So yeah, all those guys have come to form at
Speaker 4: the best at the best time.
Speaker 2: Cam Munster.
Speaker 4: You know, at one point even Braith and Asta said
Speaker 4: that he reckons will probably play eighty percent fitness for
Speaker 4: the rest of the year. It doesn't look like it
Speaker 4: looks like he's one hundred percent fit. So all the
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, you do need your
Speaker 4: best players on the field at the right time, and
Speaker 4: the stars feel like they're aligning a bit for Melbourne
Speaker 4: and Craig Bellamy.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Cameron Monster after the game, and there was
Speaker 1: a point this year where he thought by his season
Speaker 1: was over. I think it was against was against Paramattery.
Speaker 1: It was a combat because I was sidlent for it.
Speaker 1: He looked as he ripped his groin and we all thought, well,
Speaker 1: that's the end for him. I mean, he had obviously
Speaker 1: need some hip surgery at the end of the year.
Speaker 1: But man, when he runs the ball and he is
Speaker 1: just focused on running the ball is such a handful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: His eyes are up, his chest is forward, he's just
Speaker 3: doing whatever kind of comes through his mind in that
Speaker 3: crazy brain of his and it just works.
Speaker 1: He's a crazy brain. Yeah, where do you think maybe
Speaker 1: Penrith can get at them an area you think that
Speaker 1: maybe the storm vulnerable perabs.
Speaker 2: Honestly after that game.
Speaker 4: Between the two Grand finalists, and I know, I think
Speaker 4: they're you know, equal odds with the betting agencies. The
Speaker 4: fans can't separate them. But if you're going on form
Speaker 4: from the last game, it's probably Melbourne And I can't
Speaker 4: really think of where there might be a chink in
Speaker 4: there arm at the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people thought the cheek might be in
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, right, but they're middle.
Speaker 4: Of maybe a bit with Nelson, especially that second phase
Speaker 4: play which he was really which really helped to go
Speaker 4: forward against the Roosters, Well that would be you know,
Speaker 4: if he's not there, that would probably be a weakness.
Speaker 1: We should touch on the Roosters before we move on
Speaker 1: to Penrith. But how do you look at this another disappointment,
Speaker 1: disappointing season. How do you view it?
Speaker 3: I feel like this is no I feel like they've
Speaker 3: achieved quite a lot this year, considering the you know,
Speaker 3: the number of injuries and things like that that they had.
Speaker 2: I think they gave it.
Speaker 3: I think they achieved probably about where they should have
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you guys think?
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I think that's fair, you know, a
Speaker 4: top four finish. I think it didn't help that obviously,
Speaker 4: Sam walkin Braden Smith whether I think that probably would
Speaker 4: have given them a bit of an edge.
Speaker 2: In the finals.
Speaker 4: But I also think there is still a gap between
Speaker 4: you know, the two horse race between you know, Melbourne
Speaker 4: and Penrish and the Roosters and Cronola.
Speaker 2: So I'm with Pam.
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily, I mean, they would be disappointed, but
Speaker 4: I don't think they necessarily had a disappointing season.
Speaker 2: I mean, were eighty minutes.
Speaker 4: From a Grand Final after losing you know, Brandon Smith
Speaker 4: and Sam Walker on the eve of the final series.
Speaker 1: History suggests though that they're miles behind Penrith and Melbourne.
Speaker 2: The last There's a lot of teams that a.
Speaker 1: Last twenty two gap, but the public that.
Speaker 2: Has in terms of yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And I would think they're they're miles off catching those
Speaker 1: two at the moment. And then you consider they lose
Speaker 1: Kiri Hargraves Manu Suwa Lee at the end of the.
Speaker 2: Year, but then Sam Walker's out for he went back
Speaker 2: till June July.
Speaker 1: He told us we swim out the game. He said,
Speaker 1: hopefully be back by June. Brandon won't be back to
Speaker 1: Lena either. They're going to start next year. They're going
Speaker 1: to have to. It's gonna be They're gonna have to.
Speaker 1: The expectation will be that they start well, but it's
Speaker 1: going to be hard. Robber is gonna have to catch
Speaker 1: your socks off to do.
Speaker 3: We say the word the rebuild. They like them, don't know,
Speaker 3: they don't, but the.
Speaker 1: Cash it's like Jason Paramount, it's not a rebuild, it's
Speaker 1: a reset.
Speaker 2: What's the difference?
Speaker 1: They reset, you don't rebuild your reset.
Speaker 4: But that's still a massive resting the I T guys
Speaker 4: tell you to do when something's.
Speaker 1: Going wrong exactly. You see them next year being a
Speaker 1: threat the Roosters.
Speaker 4: Even even with Walker and Smith being out for long periods.
Speaker 4: And yes they have it's the experience void that they leave, right,
Speaker 4: They've bottil of experience. But you think about the guys
Speaker 4: that are still their Tedesco, Crichton, Victor Radley, they still
Speaker 4: had a pretty decent four pack even with your hard
Speaker 4: graves gone. So they've got some of the pieces of
Speaker 4: the puzzle, but they've definitely lost an edge.
Speaker 2: I mean Mark comes in.
Speaker 4: When you play, you do Chad Townsend coming in the
Speaker 4: question Mark is a starting halves pairing between sand and
Speaker 4: Smith and Chad town that's going to be enough to
Speaker 4: carry them to June July, where the season might be.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's a huge worry for them because, I mean,
Speaker 1: Chad was dropped a reserve great up in Townsville at
Speaker 1: the end of the year. They have to rely on
Speaker 1: him till potentially June and sand and they had a
Speaker 1: good game last week, but on the weekend again he
Speaker 1: battled a bit. So that's the concern for them.
Speaker 3: I think do they have enough class I think to
Speaker 3: be able to, you know, to not write them off completely.
Speaker 2: But do they go to market?
Speaker 3: Is there anyone out there that they because this is
Speaker 3: the club right that can just pull off.
Speaker 1: Everyone's waiting for them to sign someone. Yeah, But talking
Speaker 1: to people there who make those decisions, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any intention to sign anyone at the moment.
Speaker 2: Is that what they're.
Speaker 4: So I have spoken to different play agents just in
Speaker 4: the course of as and there are rumblings that there
Speaker 4: have been player agents that have been pushing, particularly halves
Speaker 4: to them, so whether and the response from the Roosters
Speaker 4: has been we're just sort of waiting. It's a matter
Speaker 4: of how how long do they wait.
Speaker 1: They've been pretty public though, they're going to go with
Speaker 1: Walker and sand and Smith, very public about that. So
Speaker 1: if they then turn around and.
Speaker 2: Sign, they'd be looking.
Speaker 4: I mean something that's sort of a stop gap, but
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily mean exactly. I don't necessarily mean something
Speaker 4: that's going to come in there.
Speaker 1: They've got Chad, They've signed Chad to fill that role.
Speaker 1: Then you go on, Ben Hunt's going to cross sh
Speaker 1: eate eight nine hundred thousand dollars because that's what he's
Speaker 1: on with the Dragons. I'm sure sure the Dragons aren't
Speaker 1: going to chuck in four under Green for Ben Hunt
Speaker 1: to go and play elsewhere because you know, and I
Speaker 1: think Ben hump. The only way Ben Hunt will leave
Speaker 1: the Dragons is if he gets another year. On top
Speaker 1: of that, the Roosters aren't going to give him another year.
Speaker 1: So I don't see that. I don't see that happening.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, I mean.
Speaker 4: He's Yeah, if you're looking at the kind of players
Speaker 4: that they could be looking at ben Hunt is an option,
Speaker 4: but whether that actually eventuates I don't think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it would depend whether or not.
Speaker 3: I think if they thought that they could win a
Speaker 3: premiership next year, if they thought that they could and
Speaker 3: they had all of the rest of the bones around
Speaker 3: it and they just needed that one, you know, experienced
Speaker 3: half back, then maybe they would.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you he doesn't need a halfback Penrith because
Speaker 1: there half back's a pretty good player. He was unbelievable
Speaker 1: again on Saturday night. So good, so good.
Speaker 4: I don't think I remember a player who's come back
Speaker 4: from quite injuries that can play with you mentally like
Speaker 4: hamstrings like a dislocate each other or or the rest
Speaker 4: of it, and just come back like he hasn't even
Speaker 4: missed a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's incredible mental string. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And it's the confidence that he's got in his game.
Speaker 4: You know, you just watched him play and Penrith were actually.
Speaker 1: Such a decisive moment.
Speaker 4: It was very similar to the charge in the ground
Speaker 4: final when you kicked that footy twenty They were on
Speaker 4: the back foot and then all of a sudden he
Speaker 4: pretty much single handedly won them the game. And it
Speaker 4: was a bit like that on the weekend. Penro threw
Speaker 4: a little bit off in this game, and I think.
Speaker 1: They were almost there for the taking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think the weather maybe played it
Speaker 4: a little bit to do with it. But there were
Speaker 4: moments there were balls were going.
Speaker 2: To the ground. They looked a little looked a little
Speaker 2: bit disjointed, and I hung, oh, that's interesting. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Sometimes they can be guilty of chasing the scoreboard a
Speaker 4: little bit for a team that is such a well
Speaker 4: oiled machine and in the past hasn't panicked. I feel
Speaker 4: like there were elements of just trying too hard in
Speaker 4: this game, but you can never count them out when
Speaker 4: you've got anything cleary in that.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't take the wrong option.
Speaker 3: The clarity that he plays with is I think that's
Speaker 3: his biggest asset. That's what sets him apart, is just
Speaker 3: how he just makes the right choice no matter what's
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it must be so demoralizing to the other
Speaker 4: team when switch flicks in him and he does something
Speaker 4: like he now is that forty twenty and you know
Speaker 4: he's about to carry the team home, like when you're
Speaker 4: the opposition, And I think that's sort of you know,
Speaker 4: you sort of that's yeah. Their shoulders go down a
Speaker 4: little bit after that, So yeah, could.
Speaker 3: You not how could you see that happen and just
Speaker 3: and be like yeah, anything other than oh god, here
Speaker 3: we go again.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, and well, I mean we just saw
Speaker 1: Jerome Leua then the screen. He's been ridiculous, ridiculously good
Speaker 1: this season as well. Jerime his last game for the
Speaker 1: club this weekend. He's been a penus since he was
Speaker 1: could walk, basically local junior. Yeah, local junior. It's a
Speaker 1: huge not for him. And we know Jerime he's a
Speaker 1: pretty emotional sort of guy. He became monster over the years.
Speaker 1: Have had their battles, some great battles, some very prickly battles.
Speaker 1: But he's been great, hasn't he.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the thing. Not only has you know,
Speaker 4: Nathan been great, Lui has been good as their backup
Speaker 4: half back as well. So yeah, he's been good. He's
Speaker 4: probably had one of his it's hard to say one
Speaker 4: of his better season. He's a three time he's a
Speaker 4: three time premiership winning five eight but he has absolutely
Speaker 4: been in great form. And they've got a number of
Speaker 4: players in that side that I think I've gone under
Speaker 4: the radar a little bit this year, like Brian Toe,
Speaker 4: who have been.
Speaker 1: Been great tie so again, never was a bad game,
Speaker 1: Brian Tye. Yeah, still defies belief for me that like
Speaker 1: that's short doesn't get exploited more under the high ball.
Speaker 4: Well he's yeah, I mean, yeah, he does get out leaped,
Speaker 4: but he's always competing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose opposition don't get down there end very often. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what about the sharkis I mean they were plucky in
Speaker 1: this game, right, They showed a bit of conviction and courage,
Speaker 1: but they just lacked a bit of I don't know,
Speaker 1: just a little bit of class maybe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they it was they showed a bit of fight
Speaker 3: here obviously to try and make it a little bit like.
Speaker 2: It was still a good game.
Speaker 3: I think that they Yeah, they just kind of run
Speaker 3: out of steam and it was that mental edge that
Speaker 3: Penrith have, right, Yeah, that just takes so much time
Speaker 3: to be able to build that up, to maintain that confidence.
Speaker 1: Adam Blake next year, he's a very very very good football.
Speaker 1: But is that enough do you think to transform them
Speaker 1: into genuine contenders?
Speaker 3: I think so, yeah, I think yeah, I think it
Speaker 3: Like what FITZI was saying, in the post match like
Speaker 3: they've been building your on ear and they're taking their
Speaker 3: lessons and they're learning a little bit, learning a little bit.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think he'll be massive for them next year.
Speaker 4: I think so, And I think he's probably you know,
Speaker 4: you spoke about missing pieces, he's probably the missing piece
Speaker 4: in the forward pack. But also to I mean, they
Speaker 4: are a pretty well balanced footy team. The big question
Speaker 4: for FITZI is what he does with Niko Heinz next year.
Speaker 2: You look at their back five.
Speaker 4: They sometimes produce the kind of numbers that Panis back
Speaker 4: five produce, and they have sort of a similar style
Speaker 4: of game in that they really use their back five
Speaker 4: to set up you know, the start of their sets
Speaker 4: and the rest of it. People say their team lacks
Speaker 4: star power, maybe some bit of X factor, but you know,
Speaker 4: you look at guys like Rinaldo Molitalo, Jesse Ramian, I mean,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: I The issue there though, is the star power is
Speaker 1: in the right positions, Like you compare their spine.
Speaker 2: With Melbourne or so, where do they need star power?
Speaker 1: Well, they need Nico to play better. They start, They've
Speaker 1: got the start. He's a star, he's paid like a star.
Speaker 1: But again I thought he was quiet the other night.
Speaker 1: Braidon Trindle was. They did a great job on Braiden Trindle.
Speaker 1: Blake Brow is a really good footballer, right, and Kennedy
Speaker 1: is a good footballer as well. But they just they
Speaker 1: just need to be better, all of them, all four
Speaker 1: of them basically need to be better because you know,
Speaker 1: the great teams have great spines. Like we talked about
Speaker 1: Melbourn spine. They just controlled that game. Cleary control games
Speaker 1: on his own with Dylan Edwards. They don't. Their players
Speaker 1: don't at the moment. They don't do that and that's
Speaker 1: that's for me. Potentially the players are there, they just
Speaker 1: need to get be better. Yeah, and they've shown they
Speaker 1: can be better. Like we've seen Nicko's on a dalim,
Speaker 1: he's been unbelievable. His best maybe in off seasons. The
Speaker 1: best thing for Nicko he gets away and rediscovers who
Speaker 1: he can, you know, his best football. We've seen Trindle
Speaker 1: could be a really good player. So they've got they've
Speaker 1: got potentially the players there, but they just need to
Speaker 1: be better.
Speaker 4: So obviously they went with it. Even though Nico still
Speaker 4: wore the number seven, they sort of Trindle was playing
Speaker 4: that seven and Nico was sort of, you know, trying
Speaker 4: to be the ballplayer running the football, so they you know,
Speaker 4: that got them into the third week of the Grand Final,
Speaker 4: but it just wasn't enough to get them off.
Speaker 1: Again that the finals showed their miles off the top
Speaker 1: two then Miles Born and Melbourne smashed him in Melbourne. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a carve up and Penwith never looked like
Speaker 1: they were going to lose that game the other night
Speaker 1: thing even though the k were in the game Melbourne penwy.
Speaker 2: Edge instinct. But would you move Niko Heins to fullback.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't move him. I wouldn't move I just I
Speaker 1: just like he won a Deli m plan there. You
Speaker 1: just got to you just gotta Niko. You just got
Speaker 1: to get the best out of Nico again. If you
Speaker 1: can do that, then there are different footing Blake and
Speaker 1: five already exactly.
Speaker 3: If they have Trindle playing as well as he did
Speaker 3: at the back end of the year to start next year,
Speaker 3: then I think that's the key, right That just that's
Speaker 3: the halves combination, and that's kind of the big because
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a coincidence that we have the
Speaker 3: two best spines in the competition now in the Grand Final.
Speaker 1: Now what about it?
Speaker 2: Also rest in the game.
Speaker 1: The Dems are on this week and look this, Jerome
Speaker 1: Hughes is the favorite for it, right, So he's an
Speaker 1: unbelievable year. This year, Jerome, he's probably he's been the
Speaker 1: best player in the comp Has he gone past Nathan?
Speaker 1: Is he any o? The best player in the game?
Speaker 2: Crazy?
Speaker 1: That's in the game.
Speaker 2: If you were ranking the best.
Speaker 4: Players, has done that number one, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: I think that's a bit of recentcy bias there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so. No way, it's fair.
Speaker 2: To say that he's.
Speaker 4: The best player of twenty four.
Speaker 2: But he has been clearly was not missing.
Speaker 4: We're talking about a halfback who's already run three Premierships,
Speaker 4: a good chance of leading them to four, is arguably
Speaker 4: the most influential player in a side and has been
Speaker 4: for the last you know, five years.
Speaker 1: Would you say Jerome drawn alongside him?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: If if Storm win on the weekend, then he can
Speaker 4: be in that conversation until then, Like, please, come on,
Speaker 4: how can you say that the half back that's about
Speaker 4: to create, potentially create history isn't the best player in
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying but I'm just saying, based on this year,
Speaker 1: I think Jeromes is equal. I'm not. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to clear what about that four years. Has been a
Speaker 1: pretty good player for a long time, but he had.
Speaker 2: He's not a three time premiership winner.
Speaker 1: But he's wont to camp. He was there, wasn't he not?
Speaker 1: I can't remember in twenty Yeah, he was there. So
Speaker 1: he's wont to camp if he wins another one this year,
Speaker 1: that's too. That's I just said. I'm based on.
Speaker 4: This year, I think he's you know, he's been the
Speaker 4: most He has been the most dominant player this year
Speaker 4: in the team that's been the.
Speaker 2: Most dominant this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think that's fair to say he's overtaken
Speaker 4: Nathank Cleary.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying he's a hard thing as well's side him.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's overtaken him.
Speaker 2: Yet you're walking that back.
Speaker 1: You said been the best player this year. Yes, but
Speaker 1: I think he's doorn alongside Nathan in terms of the
Speaker 1: best player in the game. Based on what he's done
Speaker 1: this year. I think he's been ridiculous that Jerome.
Speaker 2: Hughes also he has that.
Speaker 3: This is what happens sometimes with you know New Zealand
Speaker 3: players is they don't play Origin, right, they don't.
Speaker 2: Have that extra level of accolades to.
Speaker 1: Add it hasn't really owned Origin. That's the one thing he.
Speaker 2: Hasn't had, is the one that's true. Yeah, I will
Speaker 2: give you, but it's the one. But you can see that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't have that extra Yeah, that extra kind
Speaker 3: of tick on their.
Speaker 1: Region has been great for the Kiwi's too.
Speaker 2: Durant of course, Yeah, he's been incredible, but.
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's going to clearly well Teddy
Speaker 1: might push him for the Deli in with a.
Speaker 4: Voting give one okay, okay, so so just so when
Speaker 4: voting closed, Edwards was on thirty one points, Heines.
Speaker 2: Was on thirty.
Speaker 1: Hughs wasn't even there was he Yeah.
Speaker 4: Dali chrey Evans was in twenty seven, you're twenty four,
Speaker 4: Tedesco twenty three. Yeah, but with that period where he
Speaker 4: was just killing it and Munster is out of the team,
Speaker 4: and assuming he would have polled quite highly in.
Speaker 2: Those in those.
Speaker 1: Games, the issue was to Desco.
Speaker 2: But Tedsco. I think also when.
Speaker 1: And Jerome set out the penultimate round, if you're a memory,
Speaker 1: he got rested and I spoke to Craig about that,
Speaker 1: and Craig Bellamy said, I was really worried at my
Speaker 1: costume at dealy Am. He thought Jerome had come up
Speaker 1: to him and say, mate, play me. I want to
Speaker 1: win the daim But he never did. But it might
Speaker 1: that might come back and haunt him.
Speaker 4: Speaking of Cleariot, has there been a more dominant player
Speaker 4: for so long that hasn't wonted Dalim?
Speaker 1: I can't remember all the history of the Dalim's, but
Speaker 1: you're right.
Speaker 3: Everyone, it's another one of those things that he just
Speaker 3: hasn't achieved.
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to ask you this.
Speaker 3: So, say you were starting your team tomorrow, who's your
Speaker 3: half back?
Speaker 1: Have you've got to He's younger than him too, the
Speaker 1: memory thinking back to their age and Jerome's a bit older.
Speaker 2: Than who's achieved more in last time. It's incredible has
Speaker 2: achieved consider.
Speaker 1: He's on his way to becoming an imortal Nathan clear
Speaker 1: and he's any doubt about that. Yeah, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: right now, yeah, right now, Jerome's playing as well, if
Speaker 1: not better than him.
Speaker 2: Jerome's twenty nine, Yeah, and so you.
Speaker 1: Know achieved a fair bit as well.
Speaker 2: He certainly has Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, anyway, that's a debate from that's an interesting debate.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure I'm in the minority when I
Speaker 1: say that, I think Jerome's drawn alongsiding.
Speaker 4: Well, there's a good chance by the end, by next Monday,
Speaker 4: he's won the Dam. You'll be with me and he's
Speaker 4: you know, a Tea Time Premiership went I yeah, and the.
Speaker 2: Club Churchill Medalist. Potentially he would be one of the
Speaker 2: favorites for that as well.
Speaker 1: They're equal foot in the equal okay, I think that
Speaker 1: pushing past.
Speaker 2: Him the Dam or the title both.
Speaker 1: Both the wins them both and a Club Churchill.
Speaker 3: I think it's taken some time for Nathan Cleary to
Speaker 3: go past or to be considered in the same conversation
Speaker 3: as like Andrew Johns and Jonathan Thurston as you know,
Speaker 3: one of the best players of all time, you know,
Speaker 3: if not the best half back of all time. I
Speaker 3: think he's gone past that. I think he with everything
Speaker 3: that he's achieved it such a young age, I think
Speaker 3: he is going to be considered one of the best
Speaker 3: players of all time for sure.
Speaker 2: So I think it's going to take a long time.
Speaker 2: In the press a little bit, it's going to take.
Speaker 1: At five years time. We're talking now. I'm saying, right now,
Speaker 1: Jerome I think has gone past him in terms of
Speaker 1: the best player in the game.
Speaker 2: I still don't agree he's not in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Well, this year I think he's been. He's been better
Speaker 1: than Nathan this year because Nathan's missed a lot of
Speaker 1: footing and Jerome's been unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Nathan's been unbelievable and just about.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fairy nothing. Buzzes buzzes with me. That's the
Speaker 1: best the game, the great buzz Woods. Your coach of
Speaker 1: the year. It's got to be Craig, doesn't it? Surely
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 2: Does it?
Speaker 1: Who do you think maybe st won there in the premiership?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think it's Craig, But also has Ivan Cleary. What's
Speaker 3: his starts like? As the coach of the year twice, But.
Speaker 1: He's never He's never never won any year where he's
Speaker 1: won the premier ship premiership.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is insane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so if you're Ivan, you're probably think.
Speaker 2: Three premierships in a row, aiming for a fourth.
Speaker 1: I think Andrew Webster one one, Toddy Payton, yeah, and
Speaker 1: maybe maybe Craig when the other one twenty one maybe yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, was that the year he wore the funky He's
Speaker 4: got a couple of he's going to be up here.
Speaker 3: Back to the twenty twenty Delhiam So we were outside
Speaker 3: of the Fox Sports building.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was COVID, that was Jack Whiton. That was wow.
Speaker 2: Let me have a look at Captain the Year.
Speaker 1: What do you think in there? Yeah? Maybe Nathan Cleary.
Speaker 4: The nominees are so that's Cheeve Crichton, Isaiao and.
Speaker 1: Cam Murrayton's got to win. That got to win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Crichton.
Speaker 4: I think at such a young age at a club
Speaker 4: that is a resetting started there, resent rebooting after the
Speaker 4: recent he's been incredible.
Speaker 1: Who's the Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 4: The nominees are Ethan Strange, Jack Bostock and Kyle Hero.
Speaker 1: What do you got there?
Speaker 2: It's don't you think that's an interesting.
Speaker 1: I think Strange.
Speaker 3: I'm going Strange because I said him at the start
Speaker 3: of the year. So I'm pretty proud of that.
Speaker 1: The game drop dropped off a bit and everyone.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he stop was probably the most.
Speaker 4: Consistent mirrored that. Bostock was the most consistent. Era has
Speaker 4: been pretty good.
Speaker 1: Can that I need to change that? The rules around that?
Speaker 3: What was the rules two weeks got you?
Speaker 2: But that's across the board, right, It's.
Speaker 1: Just well, the top two candidates were him, I reckon
Speaker 1: him and Max Plath and they're both.
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 3: So there's a little bit of controversy in the n
Speaker 3: L w over the Rookie of the Year as well.
Speaker 3: So the I thought ry Owen. So she plays for Paramatta,
Speaker 3: she's center for Paramatta.
Speaker 2: She was fate.
Speaker 3: She won the r p A Rookie of the Year,
Speaker 3: but the n L rules stay that because she hadn't
Speaker 3: played rugby league for two years prior to coming into
Speaker 3: the game, she's ineligible really, so it rules out the
Speaker 3: like the rugby sevens girls who have like come across,
Speaker 3: So like Stacy Waker at the Bronco, she can't win
Speaker 3: it for yeah, So it's good.
Speaker 2: You've got to be in like a year.
Speaker 1: It's very controversial.
Speaker 2: It's very controversial. I'm just looking at some.
Speaker 4: Praig Bellamy, I've in cleary stats that are fear listening
Speaker 4: at a mobs has just sent us.
Speaker 2: So we've been on air.
Speaker 4: So so mate. Okay, So Bellamy has made twenty one finals.
Speaker 4: I've been clearly ten.
Speaker 1: That's twenty one in twenty two ys or twenty three
Speaker 1: is the twenty.
Speaker 4: Two twenty so for the one Minister was a cap year. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Bellamy's coach for twenty two seasons. I've been Cleary for eighteen.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize it's that many around.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: Total final wins fifty two for Bellamy, twenty tier seven
Speaker 4: for Ivan Cleary, total wins thirty three for Craig Bellamy,
Speaker 4: eighteen for Ivan Cleary. But finals win percentage. Ivan Cleary
Speaker 4: has a better finals really than seven. Craig is well
Speaker 4: three points?
Speaker 1: Are you suggesting Ivan's gone past Craig?
Speaker 2: No, Craig has.
Speaker 4: Craig has six title wins with an asterisk? Does that
Speaker 4: that's you?
Speaker 2: We know that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ive and three without.
Speaker 1: An ASTERIXK Yeah, I think I think I know that.
Speaker 2: I think about it.
Speaker 4: Actually, I think maybe I got a bit carried with
Speaker 4: the Canterbury fairy tale saying. And so Rada has an
Speaker 4: incredible job with Canaby this year, no doubt. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it probably goes between Ivan Cleary and Craig bell.
Speaker 1: Craig's made ten Grand finals two and twenty two years now.
Speaker 1: It's insane. It makes a Grand final every second every
Speaker 1: second year, crazy, crazy record. He's an unbelievable coach, he
Speaker 1: really is. I Mean, the question isn't whether Ivan's caught.
Speaker 1: The questions were the craze gone past Wayne? That's the question.
Speaker 2: That's the big one, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because if Wayne is now in, you know he's
Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: Yep. Well, Craig will be there one day, no doubt
Speaker 1: about that. Typically he's wearing those funky suits to the
Speaker 1: Delians on the sideline yesterday.
Speaker 2: So how did you did you enjoy yourself? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The russ were very good.
Speaker 2: It was very good.
Speaker 3: So the the Yeah, the Isabel Kelly, so she's Rooster's captain,
Speaker 3: played with unbelievable toughness. So she played with a she
Speaker 3: just located her elbow seven days ago and played with
Speaker 3: this super heavy strapping. Still managed to run the most
Speaker 3: meters of anyone on the field. Yeah, and she was
Speaker 3: taken off with about twenty minutes to go to preserve
Speaker 3: her for next week. But just incredible toughness. She plays
Speaker 3: through injury all the time. That should be you know,
Speaker 3: season ending or unbelievable, but the rus just waiting was
Speaker 3: very good. Yeah, and Sammy Bremner so good with she
Speaker 3: So Taran has just come back off. She had two
Speaker 3: weeks off with her ac joint injury, so she's been
Speaker 3: off for two weeks, came back and played like that.
Speaker 1: Was there ac joint go again? Was that victor the
Speaker 1: ac joint problem? Tommy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think she wanted to and they had
Speaker 3: to hold her back from from playing, but she did
Speaker 3: a really good job.
Speaker 2: And then sam Bremna, Well that's not a good moment
Speaker 2: for the but.
Speaker 3: She scored a double in this and this is her
Speaker 3: last season. She's kind of come back this year just
Speaker 3: as a bit of a favor to them because they
Speaker 3: lost their fullback at the side of.
Speaker 1: The year to a a cl of course step before
Speaker 1: the game, because I did a little bit of research
Speaker 1: because I profess she scored three tries I think in
Speaker 1: an url W career. Yeah, and she's scored four in
Speaker 1: the last two weeks. This is totally scored three tries.
Speaker 1: What's doing because.
Speaker 3: She was playing when there was yeah, I know, but
Speaker 3: she was playing when there was three games the season,
Speaker 3: when it was fourteen and there was only three games
Speaker 3: a season, so she's really warmed up in the back
Speaker 3: end of this year because she joined them the week
Speaker 3: before the competition started. She hadn't done a preseason and
Speaker 3: she came in and beat everyone in the one point
Speaker 3: two k time trial.
Speaker 1: I think she had another child and three kids. She said,
Speaker 1: what's the secret? She said that maybe spending your off
Speaker 1: season having children.
Speaker 2: No, she's unreal. So this is her last year. This
Speaker 2: is her last season.
Speaker 3: She doesn't want a premiership yet though, so this is big,
Speaker 3: big goal for her. And then she's moving into a
Speaker 3: job at the Dragon. She's head of coaching pathways over
Speaker 3: there at the Dragons.
Speaker 2: So that'll be big for her.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, Sharks with the massive upset.
Speaker 1: So that was a shock, right it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the Broncos have made the semifinals I think it's
Speaker 3: the last three years in a row or so yep,
Speaker 3: and have not been able to get past it and
Speaker 3: get into the Grand Final. But they were the best.
Speaker 3: They were the minor premiers obviously, so they were the
Speaker 3: best this year. But they were just off their game
Speaker 3: and Cronulla were right into it.
Speaker 2: They just did not let them breathe.
Speaker 1: I saw a game recently the Roosters played Kronola. Didn't've
Speaker 1: been like they did.
Speaker 2: They did, so I I.
Speaker 1: Hadn't lost the game before they Yeah.
Speaker 3: They were on a six game winning streak and then
Speaker 3: they Yeah, so they had a six game winning streak
Speaker 3: and then they were beaten by the Roosters forty nail
Speaker 3: and then from that they lost their last three games
Speaker 3: at the back end of the season, but then came
Speaker 3: back to yeah, beat the Broncos first time. The Broncos
Speaker 3: have been held to Niel too, so it was a
Speaker 3: real shock upset this one.
Speaker 1: So who are we thinking?
Speaker 3: I think the Roosters. I mean, I think the Roosters.
Speaker 3: They were just way too way too good this year.
Speaker 3: They've got so much class and experience. I think they've
Speaker 3: got players who have played in Grand finals, won premierships,
Speaker 3: you know, World Cups.
Speaker 2: The Sharks just have they got some crazy depth.
Speaker 1: I mean Jess Surgiers come off the bench, she.
Speaker 3: Did, yeah, so she spent six weeks out with the
Speaker 3: m c l wow injury and that was her comeback
Speaker 3: game yesterday. So yeah, they're just they're really gunning for
Speaker 3: it this year. I think they'd be so hard to stop.
Speaker 3: But Chronologists were really ruthless. Actually against the Broncos, they
Speaker 3: showed so much toughness, So she would be a good
Speaker 3: Grand final.
Speaker 1: Actually, do you think of the team you've got Roosters? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that were very good, good side, I think based on
Speaker 1: what I saw. Yes, so the russ are pretty good.
Speaker 1: When you've got Jess Surgis coming off the bench, you're
Speaker 1: going right, aren't you?
Speaker 2: Totally so?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And as I said, they smashed it only a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, so I think the Rusters might win
Speaker 1: something this year. Nick could be happy Uncle Rick. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously it was a tough weekend for the Broncos. It's
Speaker 1: been a tough week for the Broncos and the men's
Speaker 1: team because poor old Kevy got shown the door. It
Speaker 1: was a little bit less, it was. It was a shock,
Speaker 1: but obviously they conducted a review after a pretty disappointing season.
Speaker 1: Whenever there's a review conducted, the alarm bells go off.
Speaker 1: Were you surprised the way it's ended going?
Speaker 4: I was surprised that it happened so soon, because there
Speaker 4: was chat that there was going to be sort of
Speaker 4: this deadline placed on in for next year, but by
Speaker 4: then it's too late. Right by the time that deadline
Speaker 4: tics they look at paramatter for an example, this year,
Speaker 4: like the season's already gone. So for the Broncos, it's
Speaker 4: a matter of avoiding another disappointing season, and they were disappointing,
Speaker 4: Like there's yeah, they had injuries, but you know, when
Speaker 4: you look at how many other good teams suffered through
Speaker 4: key injuries to key players, it's.
Speaker 2: Not a good enough excuse for a team like the Broncos.
Speaker 4: So from that point of view, I was shocked, but
Speaker 4: I wasn't, you know, it just felt like they, rather
Speaker 4: than delaying the inevitable, they said, Okay, let's do this
Speaker 4: before the preseason even starts, and it's probably the best
Speaker 4: time to and do it, do you reckon?
Speaker 3: They pounced while they could to be able to try
Speaker 3: and sound out someone like Michael Maguire, knowing that he
Speaker 3: probably he's looking for an Nerrol gig He is obviously
Speaker 3: a fantastic coach, just what he's done with New South
Speaker 3: Wales this year, just to be able to.
Speaker 2: Get before anyone else does.
Speaker 4: I think the Broncos, right, they're a pretty big club.
Speaker 4: You know, it's you don't necessarily but you.
Speaker 3: Kind of got a strike though when there's when there's
Speaker 3: an option there that you feel like might be right,
Speaker 3: he feels.
Speaker 1: Like a good fit for them to they're already made roster,
Speaker 1: right manage can just walk in and take charge of
Speaker 1: a team that's ready.
Speaker 2: To almost what a dream gig for him?
Speaker 1: Oh, he's one of that job for so long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he interviewed for it when Kevy got it last time,
Speaker 1: and he was in the mix the last three So
Speaker 1: it's a job he's coveted for a long time and
Speaker 1: he'll get his chance now by the looks of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the obviously they need again, that's a reset rather
Speaker 1: than a rebuild, right steal Joseph Roles.
Speaker 4: You know what, if it is one example where you
Speaker 4: could say it's a reset, it's probably the Broncos because,
Speaker 4: like you said, they do sort of have already made roster.
Speaker 4: They probably need one or two pieces of the puzzle.
Speaker 4: But it's not you know, he's not going to go
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: There'll be some change.
Speaker 2: There always is clean out, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, because obviously some of those players were tied to Kevy,
Speaker 1: notably his son, So I imagine there'll be a little
Speaker 1: bit of change tickering but not not not mass changes.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought they don't need. Kevy is such
Speaker 1: a good bloke and he loves that club. You can
Speaker 1: see how much that club means to him. But I
Speaker 1: understand why they did it because you know that review
Speaker 1: was obviously damning. Yeah, and if you get a review
Speaker 1: back that's damning about the coaching and the culture, you
Speaker 1: know you've got to make changes. And it's easier I
Speaker 1: always say there is. It's easy to coach and change
Speaker 1: your dressing room, but you can't ship our ten players.
Speaker 1: But you can move out one coach it's relatively easy
Speaker 1: and replace him. You can't ship our ten players.
Speaker 4: Easy if you've got the right players right, and I
Speaker 4: do think they have the right players, But clearly there
Speaker 4: is a cultural problem. And you know in one of
Speaker 4: the it might have been one of the last games,
Speaker 4: maybe the penultimate, maybe maybe the final game, where Kevin
Speaker 4: Walters up in the game, was talking about how there
Speaker 4: are guys in this playing group that still don't fully
Speaker 4: understand what it means to be a Bronco, what it
Speaker 4: means to be a Broncos jersey. And I think they
Speaker 4: lose that by losing Kevin Walters because like you said,
Speaker 4: he loves that club so much and so he understands
Speaker 4: he's got an in depth understanding of that. But I
Speaker 4: think where he struggled was was turning that intangible stuff tangible, right,
Speaker 4: So I think and there's and that comes down to,
Speaker 4: you know, attitude, that comes down.
Speaker 2: To work ethic.
Speaker 4: But if there's one guy who is going to whip
Speaker 4: them into shape in terms of that, it's Michael mcgwith.
Speaker 1: So Madge is pretty smart. He looked what he did
Speaker 1: with New Saith Whales this year. He got the old
Speaker 1: boys involved right, and he got them really involved with
Speaker 1: the team and that silenced a lot of that criticism.
Speaker 1: And come so imagine Madge when he goes up there.
Speaker 1: One of the first things he'll do is he'll get
Speaker 1: the likes of Gordy, and he'll get Chris John's and
Speaker 1: you'll get those guys and he'll try and bring them
Speaker 1: into the fold a bit. So, so they're reluctant to
Speaker 1: be overly critical of, at least early on, overly critical
Speaker 1: of the appointment of Changement's going to be hard because
Speaker 1: a lot of those blokes are really close to Kevy,
Speaker 1: really close to him. So we've seen someone come out
Speaker 1: and be critical. But I think Madge is smart enough
Speaker 1: to know he needs to get those blokes on side
Speaker 1: and have him one side from the start.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you think he walks into you know, if
Speaker 2: he gets it, if he gets.
Speaker 3: A gig with it, it probably seems like that's what's
Speaker 3: going to happen. Do you think he walks into the
Speaker 3: first press conference with Broncos Jersey?
Speaker 1: Of course? How do you think who's in Wales? Cutch?
Speaker 1: You got you guys when he goes?
Speaker 2: That's such such a good question.
Speaker 1: Thanks, that's what I'm hereful.
Speaker 2: You should be a journal.
Speaker 1: Mickey.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good, fellow, Mick.
Speaker 2: He is with the media, yeah, smart Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the players, that man, they love him. Apparently he's
Speaker 1: great with them because he's very I'm told that he's
Speaker 1: very open honest with them. Players appreciate that, right, So
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think what about I know,
Speaker 1: eventually I suspect he'd like to be in our role
Speaker 1: head coach and this is the path to it.
Speaker 3: So I reckon McKennis, what about the reports of LORI daily?
Speaker 2: Are they on the money?
Speaker 1: I think Laurie is interested, yeah, yeah, but whether they
Speaker 1: want to go down that path again if they want
Speaker 1: to go Laurier, you know, that's an issue with that,
Speaker 1: but I like, I give someone else a chance, give
Speaker 1: Mickey a game.
Speaker 2: Why not.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting one for New South Wales actually because
Speaker 3: if they do, yeah, if they do end up losing matches,
Speaker 3: it seems like they might. There's the women's coach, Kylie Hill.
Speaker 3: Her job is under pressure as well. They've done a
Speaker 3: big review into the Ya the women's origin how that
Speaker 3: turned out this year, which was not very good. They've
Speaker 3: lost the last couple of seasons, so they could be
Speaker 3: on the hunt for.
Speaker 1: Two back on top next year. There the reset both
Speaker 1: men's and women's good news. I like that as a
Speaker 1: queen's land. All right, Brent, Okay, now let's get on.
Speaker 1: What are you watching? What do you watch? I've watched
Speaker 1: the show I.
Speaker 2: Watched, so yeah, I've been watching.
Speaker 3: I finished it actually might have been Saturday, but The
Speaker 3: Perfect Couple, so it's a Netflix.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you like it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did like it. Yeah, it was my all
Speaker 1: time favorite.
Speaker 2: But it was it was kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: It was a bit lighthearted. It's a bit of a
Speaker 3: who done it? So a body there's a wedding at
Speaker 3: a at a home in it's not the Hampton's, Where
Speaker 3: was it Nantucket? And a body washes up on the
Speaker 3: beach or is ound the next morning of a wedding,
Speaker 3: and then it's just a bit of a who done it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really good. Loved it.
Speaker 3: It's an all star cast as well, so it's got
Speaker 3: Nicole Kimmen in it. Leave Schreiber, isn't it as well?
Speaker 3: Dakota Fanning. Yeah, absolutely loved it. It's very good, very
Speaker 3: easily bingeable. I just obsessed with Nicole Kidman. I won't
Speaker 3: anything she has.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love her.
Speaker 1: I lost some big this year.
Speaker 2: I love her. I didn't realize Nantucket looks like the Hampton's.
Speaker 4: It seems like some sort of like hillbilly town somewhere,
Speaker 4: but it's not very very.
Speaker 1: Listen, Tom.
Speaker 2: And if you are come over at the time.
Speaker 4: I'm an old school Actually, I don't know if told
Speaker 4: Scott a Bronx tale.
Speaker 1: I've heard what is this?
Speaker 4: It's like, I think it's okay, you asked somebody who
Speaker 4: isn't a movie buff. But I think it's a cult.
Speaker 4: It's a Robert de Niro cult classic.
Speaker 1: Look at Robert he's young in this, isn't he.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's young in this.
Speaker 4: So and the Bronx Tale is the tale of the guy,
Speaker 4: the kid who plays Robert de Niro's son in it,
Speaker 4: And it just sort of.
Speaker 2: Looks at all the sort of.
Speaker 4: I guess lots from the seventies in the maybe even
Speaker 4: before that. I mean, I don't know this film, but
Speaker 4: it was set sort of well, yeah, its like a.
Speaker 2: Bit of a like a mobster.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's got a mob a mobster
Speaker 4: element me too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's also a bit of a coming of age story
Speaker 4: as well, set in the Bronx beautiful and some sort
Speaker 4: of some time period.
Speaker 1: He doesn't make bad movies. He's very good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was good.
Speaker 4: And then you know how sometimes you know you're watching
Speaker 4: something and then you start googling.
Speaker 2: So the kid, the teenager.
Speaker 4: In the movie who's Robert de Niro's son, was and
Speaker 4: he looks so much like him, like a really ninety three,
Speaker 4: isn't I thought it was. Yeah, it was supposed to
Speaker 4: be like the next dan Era and the rest of it.
Speaker 4: But when I looked at you know how you can
Speaker 4: go movies and shows and you look someone up and
Speaker 4: then it looked at one of the most recent things
Speaker 4: was wasted talent, and then a picture of him in it.
Speaker 4: So apparently after he found some stardom after a Bronx Tale,
Speaker 4: things went sound off the rails.
Speaker 1: It's a bit sad. It's a sad postcript, is it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's not. I've started watching mister McMahon, which is
Speaker 1: the Netflix boiler yesterday, and I love I'm a bit
Speaker 1: of a wrestling fan. Well, I used to watch the
Speaker 1: old time wrestling and I don't watch it a lot anymore.
Speaker 1: But it's the story of obviously Vince Mrick marn conducted
Speaker 1: numerous interviews with all the wrestling stars. I mean he
Speaker 1: is he's had some work done, that he said the interview.
Speaker 1: His head doesn't his face doesn't move. No, he's had
Speaker 1: a lot of work done, Vince.
Speaker 2: He's looked the same for twenty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no he doesn't. He looks doesn't look the same anymore.
Speaker 1: People tell these people and have work done like that, mate,
Speaker 1: stop getting work done. You're looking worse.
Speaker 3: Do you think anyone tells him anything like that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: So just the like, it's funny, isn't it looking back
Speaker 3: on because I never really.
Speaker 2: Got into wrestling like I was.
Speaker 3: I think I was like growing up in around the
Speaker 3: Attitude era, and I would watch it sometimes, but then
Speaker 3: it just kind of made me a bit sick.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I wasn't really into it.
Speaker 3: But then yeah, but like looking back on it now,
Speaker 3: just the different lens that you have looking back on
Speaker 3: some of this stuff is crazy.
Speaker 1: He was mad, really issues over lawsuits and all sorts
Speaker 1: of things. And obviously they did all these interviews before
Speaker 1: the latest lawsuit which promptly missed and down from the
Speaker 1: w W.
Speaker 2: On it.
Speaker 1: Maybe, but yeah, he sort of Yeah, interesting guy, interesting guy,
Speaker 1: But as I said, he.
Speaker 2: Some of those accusations just like disgusting.
Speaker 1: He used to cut out the plastic surgeries. Well, Vince,
Speaker 1: if you if you're listening, name more Vince, not necessarily mate,
Speaker 1: grow old gracefully, That's what I say.
Speaker 2: I think it's too late for who was your favorite wrestler?
Speaker 1: Bosed to love Hulk. I loved the Hulk, Phulk Hogan.
Speaker 1: Then I sort of I drifted off ALF a bit
Speaker 1: after that. I sort of watched it for a bit longer.
Speaker 1: But I love the Rock. He's very good. He was
Speaker 1: very good back in the Stone called Steve Austin. You don't, no,
Speaker 1: I know the Rock Rock when the Rock fought Hulk
Speaker 1: Hogan at WrestleMania, unbelievable, the best, that's so good. You
Speaker 1: know what it was like. It was like Penguins Melbourne
Speaker 1: and of course God I reckon the Rocks pen Got
Speaker 1: just swaggering a bit of show about him. Yeah, and Hulks,
Speaker 1: the Hulks Melvin. Actually, I think the Rock one, guys,
Speaker 1: the other way.
Speaker 3: Wasn't that the It wasn't that the the end of
Speaker 3: it was like that was the turnover.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you might have to find a way to
Speaker 4: connect those two in Grad Final week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, well we look forward to a
Speaker 1: Grand Final Week this week. Enjoy your Grand Final week.
Speaker 1: Thanks team, and thanks and thank you.