WEBVTT - Investigation Update | 3 - Hidden clippings and police response

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to react to that. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I feel gross or something. Oh, that's yuck.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why you would even do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the third update episode of Dear Rochelle. You're

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<v Speaker 3>behind the scenes access to this live podcast investigation series.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm your host, Ashley.

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<v Speaker 3>Hanson, Rochelle's sister, Christy, her mum Ann, Christie's best friend Mindy,

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<v Speaker 3>and retired New South Wales detective Damien Loon joined me

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<v Speaker 3>for this episode.

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<v Speaker 4>A new witness has come forward who's.

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<v Speaker 3>Detailed a troubling discovery. Not long after Rochelle's murder. David

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<v Speaker 3>owned the unit Keith suspect Kevin Stephen Carell was renting

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<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and one, but when he moved out

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<v Speaker 3>in a hurry after police raided the property and it

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<v Speaker 3>was forensically examined, he found this.

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<v Speaker 5>Pulling up the carpet, the carpet went into the wardrobe

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<v Speaker 5>and tucked in where it lived. Did in the wardrobe

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<v Speaker 5>found a word of newspaper clippings, all directly associated with

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<v Speaker 5>the murder. I took them home and said to my wife,

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<v Speaker 5>I found these and she said take it to the police,

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<v Speaker 5>which I did the very next day and gave it

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<v Speaker 5>to the detective and all of it was and I said,

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<v Speaker 5>this is what I found. He's moved out and is

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<v Speaker 5>what I found.

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<v Speaker 4>The discovery was news to Rochelle's family and Damien.

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<v Speaker 2>What the flud? What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>What is that worry?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I just got like fucking weird chills.

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<v Speaker 2>That's oh, that's yeah. I don't know why you would

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<v Speaker 2>even do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know how to react to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that, I don't know, I feel gross or something.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just why under carpet or under a rug, under carpet,

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<v Speaker 1>under carpet so that they pulled the carpet up at

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the room, carpet that's on the floor

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<v Speaker 1>and put it under there, and then what forgot left

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<v Speaker 1>and forgot about them? I think that that's quite telling. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you're keeping the articles, I mean you

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<v Speaker 1>have to think of why are you keeping the articles?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it because you were close to Rachelle? Or is

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<v Speaker 1>it because you had something to do with it? Why

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<v Speaker 1>are you keeping them?

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<v Speaker 2>You put it in the bin, wouldn't you.

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<v Speaker 6>The information provided by the UNIDOTNA is somewhat disturbing. This

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<v Speaker 6>is surprisingly disturbing and it should be looked at thoroughly.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think these newspaper clippings were accidentally left behind,

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<v Speaker 3>given that they were hidden?

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<v Speaker 6>I believe so, And I think what he's done is

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<v Speaker 6>hidden them so well that at the time and when

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<v Speaker 6>you vacated the innit that you've simply forgot to because

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<v Speaker 6>they've been out of sight and they hidden under some carpet,

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<v Speaker 6>that he's actually forgotten that they were there and only

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<v Speaker 6>to be found by the unit owner once he's doing

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<v Speaker 6>some renovations to that area.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's play Devil's advocate. If you did care eat them,

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<v Speaker 3>that is understandable. You, as loved ones, have kept many

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<v Speaker 3>of these newspaper clippings along the way, understandably so because

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<v Speaker 3>you want to keep a record of what has been printed.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I don't understand is the the hiding them,

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<v Speaker 3>the secrecy. Why would you not be open about it?

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<v Speaker 3>Why is it so secret would you have to hide about.

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<v Speaker 4>Keeping them?

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us a story, isn't it that's still done?

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't we know that? Why wasn't that brought up

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<v Speaker 1>at coroner's court? Like I don't know whether the actual

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<v Speaker 1>detective is on the case know about that? Did that

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<v Speaker 1>ever actually get through to homicide or by that stage

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<v Speaker 1>it would have still been iver? Did I ever know

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<v Speaker 1>about that? Did that actually get through to the team

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<v Speaker 1>just the strikeforce?

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<v Speaker 6>And don't forget he was extremely upset about Rachelle's homicide

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<v Speaker 6>and deeply stirred by it, and yet he's keeping all

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<v Speaker 6>the information about this horrible crime a hidden and in

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<v Speaker 6>his flat and under carpet.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're hiding articles. You refuse to engage with

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<v Speaker 1>us when we were looking for Rochelle. So yeah, we'd

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<v Speaker 1>love your help, Kevin, if you have anything to speak

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<v Speaker 1>to us about you about any information, that would be wonderful.

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin Carrell strenuously denies any involvement in Rochelle's murder.

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<v Speaker 4>And has never been charged.

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<v Speaker 3>He has willingly participated in three records of interview with

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<v Speaker 3>police and provided his DNA to investigators. A coroner presiding

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<v Speaker 3>over Rochelle's inquest made an open finding. The full interview

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<v Speaker 3>with the unit owner is in episode ten only, currently

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<v Speaker 3>available with a Digital News Corp Australia subscription. Don't worry

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<v Speaker 3>for Apple and Spotify allows it will be available soon.

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<v Speaker 3>On June six, We also have a new statement from

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<v Speaker 3>New South Wales Police to share with you. This is

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<v Speaker 3>an act of voicing their statement to US.

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<v Speaker 7>Strikeforce detectives are reviewing all original investigative material and are

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<v Speaker 7>continually monitoring for information that can lead to new lines

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<v Speaker 7>of inquiry to be further investigated. A two hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 7>dollars reward remains on offer for information that leads to

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<v Speaker 7>the conviction of those responsible for Rochelle's death, and investigators

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<v Speaker 7>have made an application in support of a proposed increase,

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<v Speaker 7>which remains under consideration.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's amazing. We've been fighting for this for

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<v Speaker 1>how long, mindy A year longer at least, well longer

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<v Speaker 1>than that, but since twenty and twenty one, really, but

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<v Speaker 1>are actively campaigning I guess for this for about a year,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's great. I am really pumped, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that I can't see a reason why it will get

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<v Speaker 1>knocked back. I believe it goes to a panel, so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how quick they move, but I know

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<v Speaker 1>that when they increase the reward, they use it as

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<v Speaker 1>a strategy, as a tactic. So I'd love to know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on behind closed doors, love to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know how much.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good question, and I don't know how much.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know how much they've applied to increase it by.

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<v Speaker 1>We asked for five hundred thousand, and Nigel Warren said

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<v Speaker 1>at the time that they would apply for at least

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred and fifty thousand, but we've always said that

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<v Speaker 1>should be a million, so still better than two.

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<v Speaker 4>Hundred, Damien.

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<v Speaker 3>What would be going on in the background of an

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<v Speaker 3>investigation of this nature.

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<v Speaker 6>I would imagine that they've pulled the original brief together

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<v Speaker 6>and they're looking to see if there's anything that's been missed.

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<v Speaker 6>And also with the new lines of inquiry generated by

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<v Speaker 6>the Dear Rachelle podcast that's coming to light, that would

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<v Speaker 6>be an avenue for the investigators to be brief the

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<v Speaker 6>witnesses or speak with those persons that are making some

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<v Speaker 6>of these allegations or our will have told their story

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<v Speaker 6>about their relationship with Kevin. And also I would imagine

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<v Speaker 6>that there would be in the lines of inquiry, I

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<v Speaker 6>would expect that that reward will be increased.

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<v Speaker 3>Police aren't giving a lot away. Is that usual in

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<v Speaker 3>an investigation like this.

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<v Speaker 6>It's quite common because they don't want to. It's like

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<v Speaker 6>having a full deck of cards and you're having a

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<v Speaker 6>row flush. You don't want to show that to anybody

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<v Speaker 6>what you've got. It's not only for that, it's also

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<v Speaker 6>they don't want to give the family a false promise

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<v Speaker 6>of success or a reason to believe that this may

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<v Speaker 6>be solved at some stage. It's important strategic investigation technique

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<v Speaker 6>that's used not to show their fullhand because there are

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<v Speaker 6>some things that the offender only may know, and the

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<v Speaker 6>police may know that as well.

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<v Speaker 3>And in your Mother's day letter to Rochelle's killer, you

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<v Speaker 3>called him a mongrel?

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<v Speaker 4>What else would you say to her killer if he

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<v Speaker 4>was listening.

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<v Speaker 2>I just man up, and it's been too long, had enough,

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<v Speaker 2>clear your conscience. It's just gone away on way too long.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so much more I could say.

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<v Speaker 3>But probably do you worry that with the years going on?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we're approaching her twenty fourth anniversary and this

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<v Speaker 3>person is just getting older like the rest of us.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you worry that he might pass before justice arrives?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, don't give us stuff if he does pass. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's just a not a cop out. But we would

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<v Speaker 2>love just to know why and for him to admit it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think that's ever going to happen. I

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<v Speaker 2>really don't. He won't admit to this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he went to great lengths to conceal.

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<v Speaker 2>What he did, crazy stuff, very much.

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<v Speaker 1>To the point where he absolutely destroyed her body, so

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<v Speaker 1>we couldn't even go and take goodbye to her. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's going to go. Oh, I might

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<v Speaker 1>go and admit what I did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, twenty six of May Mars Rochelle's birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>It must be a hard day for you both, always, always,

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<v Speaker 2>But I wouldn't say it gets easier. But we just

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<v Speaker 2>we can't connected and we do our sinker drink and

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<v Speaker 2>it's but as yeah, as we've said before, you just

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what she would look like now, and especially

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, what we're all going through right now

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<v Speaker 2>is just this harder.

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<v Speaker 4>How old would she have been turning seven, Christy?

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever reflected on what she could have been

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<v Speaker 3>doing if she her life hadn't been taken.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she would have been a mom. I reckon

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<v Speaker 1>she would have had kids. I reckon she would have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten married. She you know, she liked being in love,

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<v Speaker 1>she liked that, you know, she rode that rollercoaster with

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of really special guys. I reckon she would

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<v Speaker 1>have ended up getting married. I think she would have

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<v Speaker 1>been a mom. She would have been an awesome mom. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I struggle with her birthday every year. I I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just just feel sick for her that she's not here.

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<v Speaker 3>What if you have planned this year, especially with everything

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<v Speaker 3>going on, there must be these added feeling around that day.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that only you know what to expect. The years

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<v Speaker 2>could be in two weeks time or how many ten

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<v Speaker 2>days or so time. You don't know what sound actually,

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<v Speaker 2>what turn up, what happened in the next week, or

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<v Speaker 2>something that could change how we are feeling, which I'm

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<v Speaker 2>already sure what we're feeling at the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>It's all a bit surreal.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This year is different because we're actually doing something for her.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's that's nice for us. I think like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like we're giving her something. We're doing something for her

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<v Speaker 1>on a birthday. We're not just thinking about her and

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<v Speaker 1>being sad.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we'll be thinking of Rachelle on this special day

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<v Speaker 3>and hoping that we might get a breakthrough. Wouldn't that

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<v Speaker 3>be a great gift.

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<v Speaker 4>The best, the best?

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<v Speaker 1>I think if we could get some evidence to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>create an arrest. That would be amazing to make that

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<v Speaker 1>day easier.

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<v Speaker 3>We know you have lots of questions about Rachelle's case

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<v Speaker 3>and if we can answer them, we will. I'll be

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<v Speaker 3>holding a Q and A with Damian Loon soon, so

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<v Speaker 3>please get your questions into us by emailing.

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