Speaker 1: I don't know how to react to that. I feel
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel gross or something. Oh, that's yuck.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you would even do that.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the third update episode of Dear Rochelle. You're
Speaker 3: behind the scenes access to this live podcast investigation series.
Speaker 4: I'm your host, Ashley.
Speaker 3: Hanson, Rochelle's sister, Christy, her mum Ann, Christie's best friend Mindy,
Speaker 3: and retired New South Wales detective Damien Loon joined me
Speaker 3: for this episode.
Speaker 4: A new witness has come forward who's.
Speaker 3: Detailed a troubling discovery. Not long after Rochelle's murder. David
Speaker 3: owned the unit Keith suspect Kevin Stephen Carell was renting
Speaker 3: in two thousand and one, but when he moved out
Speaker 3: in a hurry after police raided the property and it
Speaker 3: was forensically examined, he found this.
Speaker 5: Pulling up the carpet, the carpet went into the wardrobe
Speaker 5: and tucked in where it lived. Did in the wardrobe
Speaker 5: found a word of newspaper clippings, all directly associated with
Speaker 5: the murder. I took them home and said to my wife,
Speaker 5: I found these and she said take it to the police,
Speaker 5: which I did the very next day and gave it
Speaker 5: to the detective and all of it was and I said,
Speaker 5: this is what I found. He's moved out and is
Speaker 5: what I found.
Speaker 4: The discovery was news to Rochelle's family and Damien.
Speaker 2: What the flud? What the fuck?
Speaker 1: What is that worry?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: I just got like fucking weird chills.
Speaker 2: That's oh, that's yeah. I don't know why you would
Speaker 2: even do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how to react to that.
Speaker 1: I feel that, I don't know, I feel gross or something.
Speaker 1: That's just why under carpet or under a rug, under carpet,
Speaker 1: under carpet so that they pulled the carpet up at
Speaker 1: the side of the room, carpet that's on the floor
Speaker 1: and put it under there, and then what forgot left
Speaker 1: and forgot about them? I think that that's quite telling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're keeping the articles, I mean you
Speaker 1: have to think of why are you keeping the articles?
Speaker 1: Is it because you were close to Rachelle? Or is
Speaker 1: it because you had something to do with it? Why
Speaker 1: are you keeping them?
Speaker 2: You put it in the bin, wouldn't you.
Speaker 6: The information provided by the UNIDOTNA is somewhat disturbing. This
Speaker 6: is surprisingly disturbing and it should be looked at thoroughly.
Speaker 3: Do you think these newspaper clippings were accidentally left behind,
Speaker 3: given that they were hidden?
Speaker 6: I believe so, And I think what he's done is
Speaker 6: hidden them so well that at the time and when
Speaker 6: you vacated the innit that you've simply forgot to because
Speaker 6: they've been out of sight and they hidden under some carpet,
Speaker 6: that he's actually forgotten that they were there and only
Speaker 6: to be found by the unit owner once he's doing
Speaker 6: some renovations to that area.
Speaker 3: Let's play Devil's advocate. If you did care eat them,
Speaker 3: that is understandable. You, as loved ones, have kept many
Speaker 3: of these newspaper clippings along the way, understandably so because
Speaker 3: you want to keep a record of what has been printed.
Speaker 3: But what I don't understand is the the hiding them,
Speaker 3: the secrecy. Why would you not be open about it?
Speaker 3: Why is it so secret would you have to hide about.
Speaker 4: Keeping them?
Speaker 2: Tell us a story, isn't it that's still done?
Speaker 1: Why don't we know that? Why wasn't that brought up
Speaker 1: at coroner's court? Like I don't know whether the actual
Speaker 1: detective is on the case know about that? Did that
Speaker 1: ever actually get through to homicide or by that stage
Speaker 1: it would have still been iver? Did I ever know
Speaker 1: about that? Did that actually get through to the team
Speaker 1: just the strikeforce?
Speaker 6: And don't forget he was extremely upset about Rachelle's homicide
Speaker 6: and deeply stirred by it, and yet he's keeping all
Speaker 6: the information about this horrible crime a hidden and in
Speaker 6: his flat and under carpet.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're hiding articles. You refuse to engage with
Speaker 1: us when we were looking for Rochelle. So yeah, we'd
Speaker 1: love your help, Kevin, if you have anything to speak
Speaker 1: to us about you about any information, that would be wonderful.
Speaker 3: Kevin Carrell strenuously denies any involvement in Rochelle's murder.
Speaker 4: And has never been charged.
Speaker 3: He has willingly participated in three records of interview with
Speaker 3: police and provided his DNA to investigators. A coroner presiding
Speaker 3: over Rochelle's inquest made an open finding. The full interview
Speaker 3: with the unit owner is in episode ten only, currently
Speaker 3: available with a Digital News Corp Australia subscription. Don't worry
Speaker 3: for Apple and Spotify allows it will be available soon.
Speaker 3: On June six, We also have a new statement from
Speaker 3: New South Wales Police to share with you. This is
Speaker 3: an act of voicing their statement to US.
Speaker 7: Strikeforce detectives are reviewing all original investigative material and are
Speaker 7: continually monitoring for information that can lead to new lines
Speaker 7: of inquiry to be further investigated. A two hundred thousand
Speaker 7: dollars reward remains on offer for information that leads to
Speaker 7: the conviction of those responsible for Rochelle's death, and investigators
Speaker 7: have made an application in support of a proposed increase,
Speaker 7: which remains under consideration.
Speaker 1: I think that's amazing. We've been fighting for this for
Speaker 1: how long, mindy A year longer at least, well longer
Speaker 1: than that, but since twenty and twenty one, really, but
Speaker 1: are actively campaigning I guess for this for about a year,
Speaker 1: So it's great. I am really pumped, and I think
Speaker 1: that I can't see a reason why it will get
Speaker 1: knocked back. I believe it goes to a panel, so
Speaker 1: I don't know how quick they move, but I know
Speaker 1: that when they increase the reward, they use it as
Speaker 1: a strategy, as a tactic. So I'd love to know
Speaker 1: what's going on behind closed doors, love to know.
Speaker 2: Do you know how much.
Speaker 3: That's a good question, and I don't know how much.
Speaker 3: We don't know how much they've applied to increase it by.
Speaker 1: We asked for five hundred thousand, and Nigel Warren said
Speaker 1: at the time that they would apply for at least
Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty thousand, but we've always said that
Speaker 1: should be a million, so still better than two.
Speaker 4: Hundred, Damien.
Speaker 3: What would be going on in the background of an
Speaker 3: investigation of this nature.
Speaker 6: I would imagine that they've pulled the original brief together
Speaker 6: and they're looking to see if there's anything that's been missed.
Speaker 6: And also with the new lines of inquiry generated by
Speaker 6: the Dear Rachelle podcast that's coming to light, that would
Speaker 6: be an avenue for the investigators to be brief the
Speaker 6: witnesses or speak with those persons that are making some
Speaker 6: of these allegations or our will have told their story
Speaker 6: about their relationship with Kevin. And also I would imagine
Speaker 6: that there would be in the lines of inquiry, I
Speaker 6: would expect that that reward will be increased.
Speaker 3: Police aren't giving a lot away. Is that usual in
Speaker 3: an investigation like this.
Speaker 6: It's quite common because they don't want to. It's like
Speaker 6: having a full deck of cards and you're having a
Speaker 6: row flush. You don't want to show that to anybody
Speaker 6: what you've got. It's not only for that, it's also
Speaker 6: they don't want to give the family a false promise
Speaker 6: of success or a reason to believe that this may
Speaker 6: be solved at some stage. It's important strategic investigation technique
Speaker 6: that's used not to show their fullhand because there are
Speaker 6: some things that the offender only may know, and the
Speaker 6: police may know that as well.
Speaker 3: And in your Mother's day letter to Rochelle's killer, you
Speaker 3: called him a mongrel?
Speaker 4: What else would you say to her killer if he
Speaker 4: was listening.
Speaker 2: I just man up, and it's been too long, had enough,
Speaker 2: clear your conscience. It's just gone away on way too long.
Speaker 2: There's so much more I could say.
Speaker 3: But probably do you worry that with the years going on?
Speaker 3: I mean, we're approaching her twenty fourth anniversary and this
Speaker 3: person is just getting older like the rest of us.
Speaker 3: Do you worry that he might pass before justice arrives?
Speaker 2: Oh, don't give us stuff if he does pass. But
Speaker 2: that's just a not a cop out. But we would
Speaker 2: love just to know why and for him to admit it.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's ever going to happen. I
Speaker 2: really don't. He won't admit to this.
Speaker 1: No, he went to great lengths to conceal.
Speaker 2: What he did, crazy stuff, very much.
Speaker 1: To the point where he absolutely destroyed her body, so
Speaker 1: we couldn't even go and take goodbye to her. So
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to go. Oh, I might
Speaker 1: go and admit what I did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty six of May Mars Rochelle's birthday.
Speaker 2: It must be a hard day for you both, always, always,
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't say it gets easier. But we just
Speaker 2: we can't connected and we do our sinker drink and
Speaker 2: it's but as yeah, as we've said before, you just
Speaker 2: don't know what she would look like now, and especially
Speaker 2: at this point, what we're all going through right now
Speaker 2: is just this harder.
Speaker 4: How old would she have been turning seven, Christy?
Speaker 3: Have you ever reflected on what she could have been
Speaker 3: doing if she her life hadn't been taken.
Speaker 1: I think she would have been a mom. I reckon
Speaker 1: she would have had kids. I reckon she would have
Speaker 1: gotten married. She you know, she liked being in love,
Speaker 1: she liked that, you know, she rode that rollercoaster with
Speaker 1: a couple of really special guys. I reckon she would
Speaker 1: have ended up getting married. I think she would have
Speaker 1: been a mom. She would have been an awesome mom. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I struggle with her birthday every year. I I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just just feel sick for her that she's not here.
Speaker 3: What if you have planned this year, especially with everything
Speaker 3: going on, there must be these added feeling around that day.
Speaker 2: Not that only you know what to expect. The years
Speaker 2: could be in two weeks time or how many ten
Speaker 2: days or so time. You don't know what sound actually,
Speaker 2: what turn up, what happened in the next week, or
Speaker 2: something that could change how we are feeling, which I'm
Speaker 2: already sure what we're feeling at the moment.
Speaker 4: It's all a bit surreal.
Speaker 2: The whole thing.
Speaker 1: This year is different because we're actually doing something for her.
Speaker 1: So that's that's nice for us. I think like it's
Speaker 1: like we're giving her something. We're doing something for her
Speaker 1: on a birthday. We're not just thinking about her and
Speaker 1: being sad.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll be thinking of Rachelle on this special day
Speaker 3: and hoping that we might get a breakthrough. Wouldn't that
Speaker 3: be a great gift.
Speaker 4: The best, the best?
Speaker 1: I think if we could get some evidence to you know,
Speaker 1: create an arrest. That would be amazing to make that
Speaker 1: day easier.
Speaker 3: We know you have lots of questions about Rachelle's case
Speaker 3: and if we can answer them, we will. I'll be
Speaker 3: holding a Q and A with Damian Loon soon, so
Speaker 3: please get your questions into us by emailing.
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