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Speaker 1: I don't know how to react to that. I feel

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Speaker 2: I don't know why you would even do that.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the third update episode of Dear Rochelle. You're

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Speaker 3: behind the scenes access to this live podcast investigation series.

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Speaker 4: I'm your host, Ashley.

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Speaker 3: Hanson, Rochelle's sister, Christy, her mum Ann, Christie's best friend Mindy,

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Speaker 3: and retired New South Wales detective Damien Loon joined me

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Speaker 3: for this episode.

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Speaker 4: A new witness has come forward who's.

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Speaker 3: Detailed a troubling discovery. Not long after Rochelle's murder. David

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Speaker 3: owned the unit Keith suspect Kevin Stephen Carell was renting

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and one, but when he moved out

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Speaker 3: in a hurry after police raided the property and it

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Speaker 3: was forensically examined, he found this.

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Speaker 5: Pulling up the carpet, the carpet went into the wardrobe

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Speaker 5: and tucked in where it lived. Did in the wardrobe

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Speaker 5: found a word of newspaper clippings, all directly associated with

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Speaker 5: the murder. I took them home and said to my wife,

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Speaker 5: I found these and she said take it to the police,

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Speaker 5: which I did the very next day and gave it

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Speaker 5: to the detective and all of it was and I said,

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Speaker 5: this is what I found. He's moved out and is

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Speaker 5: what I found.

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Speaker 4: The discovery was news to Rochelle's family and Damien.

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Speaker 2: What the flud? What the fuck?

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Speaker 1: What is that worry?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I just got like fucking weird chills.

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Speaker 2: That's oh, that's yeah. I don't know why you would

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how to react to that.

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Speaker 1: I feel that, I don't know, I feel gross or something.

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Speaker 1: That's just why under carpet or under a rug, under carpet,

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Speaker 1: under carpet so that they pulled the carpet up at

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Speaker 1: and put it under there, and then what forgot left

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Speaker 1: and forgot about them? I think that that's quite telling. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're keeping the articles, I mean you

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Speaker 1: have to think of why are you keeping the articles?

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Speaker 1: Is it because you were close to Rachelle? Or is

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Speaker 1: it because you had something to do with it? Why

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Speaker 1: are you keeping them?

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Speaker 2: You put it in the bin, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 6: The information provided by the UNIDOTNA is somewhat disturbing. This

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Speaker 3: Do you think these newspaper clippings were accidentally left behind,

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Speaker 6: I believe so, And I think what he's done is

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Speaker 6: hidden them so well that at the time and when

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Speaker 6: they've been out of sight and they hidden under some carpet,

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Speaker 6: that he's actually forgotten that they were there and only

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Speaker 3: Let's play Devil's advocate. If you did care eat them,

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Speaker 3: that is understandable. You, as loved ones, have kept many

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Speaker 3: you want to keep a record of what has been printed.

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Speaker 3: But what I don't understand is the the hiding them,

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Speaker 3: the secrecy. Why would you not be open about it?

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Speaker 3: Why is it so secret would you have to hide about.

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Speaker 4: Keeping them?

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Speaker 2: Tell us a story, isn't it that's still done?

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Speaker 1: Why don't we know that? Why wasn't that brought up

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Speaker 6: And don't forget he was extremely upset about Rachelle's homicide

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're hiding articles. You refuse to engage with

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Speaker 1: love your help, Kevin, if you have anything to speak

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Speaker 3: Kevin Carrell strenuously denies any involvement in Rochelle's murder.

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Speaker 4: And has never been charged.

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Speaker 3: He has willingly participated in three records of interview with

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Speaker 3: over Rochelle's inquest made an open finding. The full interview

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Speaker 3: with the unit owner is in episode ten only, currently

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Speaker 3: available with a Digital News Corp Australia subscription. Don't worry

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Speaker 3: for Apple and Spotify allows it will be available soon.

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Speaker 3: On June six, We also have a new statement from

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Speaker 7: Strikeforce detectives are reviewing all original investigative material and are

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Speaker 7: continually monitoring for information that can lead to new lines

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Speaker 7: of inquiry to be further investigated. A two hundred thousand

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Speaker 7: the conviction of those responsible for Rochelle's death, and investigators

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Speaker 1: I think that's amazing. We've been fighting for this for

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Speaker 1: how long, mindy A year longer at least, well longer

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Speaker 1: So it's great. I am really pumped, and I think

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Speaker 1: I don't know how quick they move, but I know

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Speaker 1: that when they increase the reward, they use it as

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Speaker 2: Do you know how much.

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Speaker 3: That's a good question, and I don't know how much.

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Speaker 3: We don't know how much they've applied to increase it by.

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Speaker 1: We asked for five hundred thousand, and Nigel Warren said

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Speaker 4: Hundred, Damien.

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Speaker 3: What would be going on in the background of an

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Speaker 6: I would imagine that they've pulled the original brief together

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Speaker 6: And also with the new lines of inquiry generated by

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Speaker 3: Police aren't giving a lot away. Is that usual in

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Speaker 6: It's quite common because they don't want to. It's like

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Speaker 6: they don't want to give the family a false promise

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Speaker 6: that's used not to show their fullhand because there are

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Speaker 3: And in your Mother's day letter to Rochelle's killer, you

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Speaker 4: What else would you say to her killer if he

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Speaker 2: I just man up, and it's been too long, had enough,

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Speaker 2: clear your conscience. It's just gone away on way too long.

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Speaker 2: There's so much more I could say.

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Speaker 3: But probably do you worry that with the years going on?

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're approaching her twenty fourth anniversary and this

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Speaker 3: Do you worry that he might pass before justice arrives?

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Speaker 2: Oh, don't give us stuff if he does pass. But

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Speaker 2: that's just a not a cop out. But we would

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Speaker 2: love just to know why and for him to admit it.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think that's ever going to happen. I

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Speaker 2: really don't. He won't admit to this.

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Speaker 1: No, he went to great lengths to conceal.

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Speaker 2: What he did, crazy stuff, very much.

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Speaker 1: To the point where he absolutely destroyed her body, so

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to go. Oh, I might

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Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty six of May Mars Rochelle's birthday.

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Speaker 2: It must be a hard day for you both, always, always,

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Speaker 2: But I wouldn't say it gets easier. But we just

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Speaker 2: it's but as yeah, as we've said before, you just

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Speaker 4: How old would she have been turning seven, Christy?

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Speaker 3: Have you ever reflected on what she could have been

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Speaker 1: I think she would have been a mom. I reckon

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Speaker 1: I struggle with her birthday every year. I I don't know,

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Speaker 3: What if you have planned this year, especially with everything

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Speaker 2: Not that only you know what to expect. The years

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Speaker 4: It's all a bit surreal.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing.

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Speaker 1: This year is different because we're actually doing something for her.

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll be thinking of Rachelle on this special day

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Speaker 3: and hoping that we might get a breakthrough. Wouldn't that

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Speaker 4: The best, the best?

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Speaker 1: I think if we could get some evidence to you know,

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Speaker 3: We know you have lots of questions about Rachelle's case

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Speaker 3: and if we can answer them, we will. I'll be

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Speaker 3: holding a Q and A with Damian Loon soon, so

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