Speaker 1: From the skying in Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 1: Thank you Cherry, Happy Monday.
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Speaker 2: gift for Father's Day. But first, now, I'm not getting
Speaker 2: personal at the start of year, but we all know
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister is headed towards a wedding sometime soon.
Speaker 1: I wish him, no we all will.
Speaker 2: I disagree with almost everything politically, but I wish him
Speaker 2: nothing but goodwill personally.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 2: I think that's the difference between people on the right
Speaker 2: side of politics and the left side of politics. We
Speaker 2: don't want to get involved in how these people's personal
Speaker 2: lives work.
Speaker 1: Good luck to.
Speaker 2: Him, And every time he gets himself into trouble there
Speaker 2: seems to be some sort of a reference to the
Speaker 2: personal life. And again I'm not going to criticize the
Speaker 2: choices he's making in his personal life.
Speaker 1: Good luck to him.
Speaker 2: But I've got to say the most recent one is
Speaker 2: about as out of touch as you can get with
Speaker 2: where the country is right now. We had to sit
Speaker 2: through on the weekend back and forth conversation about his
Speaker 2: hopes to find love again after his relationship had broken out.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Who cares now again?
Speaker 2: We understand at some point he's going to get married.
Speaker 2: Good luck to him, but that's his business, not ours.
Speaker 2: But as the Prime Minister has come out of two
Speaker 2: terrible weeks in the Federal Parliament failing to answer basic
Speaker 2: questions about who comes into the country after many months,
Speaker 2: in fact, two years of terrible economic news, a bloke
Speaker 2: trying to change the subject is who the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: is right now he's trying to change it on the
Speaker 2: personal side.
Speaker 1: He's trying to change.
Speaker 2: It on the professional side by hopping back into the
Speaker 2: private plane.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it'll be one of the two
Speaker 2: brand new ones that have been delivered to his government. Yes,
Speaker 2: ordered by the previous but still not canceled by his government.
Speaker 2: But all of that means get ready for more airbus albow.
Speaker 2: He's got plenty of trips planned in the next four months,
Speaker 2: and of course that means he's anywhere but here, and
Speaker 2: by his own rules, he can't answer questions about what
Speaker 2: happens domestically because he's overseas at the time. Nice way
Speaker 2: of trying to again change the subject. But in Australia,
Speaker 2: the a one subject is cost of living. Now it
Speaker 2: haunts this government because Australians are a doing it tough,
Speaker 2: but B they were promised a lot better. How many
Speaker 2: times have I sat here and showed you that original
Speaker 2: promise from a couple of years ago, they have failed
Speaker 2: to deliver on every single front. Well, tonight a little
Speaker 2: different way of telling that story, a little different way
Speaker 2: focusing on what the Prime Minister claims.
Speaker 1: This is all day every day focused.
Speaker 2: But his evidence is when he's get the travel plans
Speaker 2: lined up rarebus elbow and we're talking about the personal life,
Speaker 2: he ain't talking about what we are feeling. Interesting story
Speaker 2: comes from Believe it or Not, a report done by
Speaker 2: Unions New South Wales as Labor as it Gets. It
Speaker 2: shows that people, particularly in New South Wales, are desperate
Speaker 2: to leave the state so their dollar can go further.
Speaker 2: They are willing to take the same money for the
Speaker 2: same job because they know different parts of the country
Speaker 2: other than New South Wales and Sydney, and specifics might
Speaker 2: end up being better for their families. So think about that,
Speaker 2: you'd be willing to move away from your family and
Speaker 2: friends because you want your dollar to spin further. Now
Speaker 2: there are hundreds of thousands of Australians who have either
Speaker 2: made this change or are having this conversation that's happened
Speaker 2: in our family, and all the better to these people
Speaker 2: who uproot and go for a different and better life.
Speaker 2: But if you've got young kids, the support network completely disappears.
Speaker 2: If you've got older parents, well then obviously your capacity
Speaker 2: to be there.
Speaker 1: It all changes.
Speaker 2: But people are doing this because the abaneze economy is
Speaker 2: that bad that you can't make ends meet where you live,
Speaker 2: so you choose to live somewhere else to try and
Speaker 2: make ends meet again. The number of Australians who have
Speaker 2: got more than one job has gone up by thirty
Speaker 2: percent in the past couple of years, thirty percent. Just
Speaker 2: before everything went bad in twenty twenty, it was seven
Speaker 2: hundred and forty five thousand people who had more than
Speaker 2: one job. Today you can whack thirty percent onto it
Speaker 2: and it's almost a million people now. I seem to
Speaker 2: remember an opposition leader who was pretending that one of
Speaker 2: the great indices of failure of the cost of living
Speaker 2: crisis under a previous government was the number of people
Speaker 2: who had more than one job. Well, if it's gone
Speaker 2: up by thirty percent since then, as well as twelve
Speaker 2: interest rate rises, as well as the number of people
Speaker 2: who are leaving their friends and family for the same
Speaker 2: amount of money to try to make ends meet. Guess
Speaker 2: where the reality is of Australian politics. It doesn't give
Speaker 2: a tuppence razoo to use the old school term about
Speaker 2: the Prime minister's personal life. It is not distracted by
Speaker 2: the Prime minister's personal life. It is not impressed by
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister rubbing shoulders with world leaders who, by
Speaker 2: his own admission, it's optional about whether he attends these
Speaker 2: meetings or not. You see, Albanezy thinks that if he
Speaker 2: can simply be anywhere but here, then somehow we will
Speaker 2: all think differently of him. There is no evidence to
Speaker 2: suggest that that would be the case at all. And
Speaker 2: then there's an area of inflation that we have been
Speaker 2: talking about for a long time. I have been focused
Speaker 2: on it for a couple of years because I saw
Speaker 2: that it stuck out like the dog's proverbials, because while
Speaker 2: the headline number was a little up a little down,
Speaker 2: generally higher than where it should be according to the
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank, which is why we're thinking about a thirteenth
Speaker 2: interstrate rise on this bloke's watch. However, the Parliament House
Speaker 2: Press Gallery tells you that apparently the tenth, eleventh, and
Speaker 2: twelfth completely fine, but it's the thirteenth that'll.
Speaker 1: Break the back.
Speaker 2: The number of people who go to services to get
Speaker 2: the money before they get paid before they get paid
Speaker 2: is going up. Finder who tells us about seventy something
Speaker 2: percent of people. Close to eighty percent of people are
Speaker 2: in serious financial stress right now. They claim after a
Speaker 2: survey that they did that fourteen percent of people who
Speaker 2: responded to them.
Speaker 1: They've worked that out to be two and a half.
Speaker 2: Two point nine million people have used a pay on
Speaker 2: demand service in the past six months. So let's say
Speaker 2: you get paid on the fifteenth, but you run out
Speaker 2: of money on the first. So you go to them
Speaker 2: and say, look, I'll give you what's left over, but
Speaker 2: can you give me my pay on the first, not
Speaker 2: the fifteenth, and then I'll pay you back on the fifteenth.
Speaker 2: Of course, if you fail that, like the business model
Speaker 2: of many of those people would, why the interestraates are
Speaker 2: through the roof and you financially find yourself up the river.
Speaker 2: Then again, the reality of a Prime Minister who wants
Speaker 2: us to be distracted by his personal life and impressed
Speaker 2: because he flies around the world. The number of Australians
Speaker 2: who are handing back their private health insurance, those numbers
Speaker 2: are now hitting record numbers. The consequence of that is
Speaker 2: not just more pressure on the private system, but it
Speaker 2: means the types of things that result in you not
Speaker 2: being sent a bill when you call Triple O. Your
Speaker 2: capacity to get elective so called elective surgery done faster,
Speaker 2: your capacity to have your choice of doctors and midwives
Speaker 2: and all the rest of it. When you're having kids,
Speaker 2: all of that disappears. But when people are faced right
Speaker 2: now with the choices of how they're going to pay
Speaker 2: the bills, how they're going to put the food on
Speaker 2: the table, how they're going to pay the power bills,
Speaker 2: that again, this blow promised would be better, but are not.
Speaker 2: No one is impressed by the wedding plans, and no
Speaker 2: one cares about the Prime Minister's itinery to fluff around overseas.
Speaker 1: Now to the insurance point.
Speaker 2: Again, I have been hammering on this because every month,
Speaker 2: every quarter, when we have a look at the CPI,
Speaker 2: the cost of insurance is going through the roof, not
Speaker 2: just the health insurance, but the insurance on your car,
Speaker 2: on your home, on your boat. Because God forbid, it
Speaker 2: gets damaged in a natural disaster, somebody buggers it up,
Speaker 2: somebody steals it, somebody damages it. There's a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of reasons why we ensure the things that we own.
Speaker 2: Have a look at this me. You know it because
Speaker 2: you're living it. But I went and check the numbers today.
Speaker 2: These are the past three years all basically the same
Speaker 2: period of time about how much insurance has gone up.
Speaker 2: It went up by three and bid percent. Then I
Speaker 2: went up by eight and a half percent from the
Speaker 2: three and a half percent.
Speaker 1: Then I went up by.
Speaker 2: Another six point four on top of the eight point three,
Speaker 2: on top of the three point four, which is eighteen
Speaker 2: point three percent inflation on insurance insurance policies. Well again today,
Speaker 2: more data, more information, not just bleeding, beaching and moaning,
Speaker 2: but data to drive home my point about why the
Speaker 2: prime in this and his government is in a world
Speaker 2: of pain. Now you will see in the next twenty
Speaker 2: four hours. I am deliberately intending not to debate it
Speaker 2: that Jim Charmers has got blanket coverage in much of
Speaker 2: the clickbait media tonight because he said that Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: is the most divisive leader in a deck who cares.
Speaker 2: These people are in charge of an economy they promised
Speaker 2: to do better that has gone way back.
Speaker 1: The cost of paying off a house is twelve times higher.
Speaker 2: Via interest rate rises that has increased by twelve times
Speaker 2: on their watch. People able to take care of their
Speaker 2: own health backwards, food backwards, insurance backwards, petrol backwards.
Speaker 1: You name it.
Speaker 2: Unless you're in the public service where they've got the
Speaker 2: best payer one in ten years. Or you're a member
Speaker 2: of the Federal Parliament that's got three pay rises since
Speaker 2: the last election, or the people who work for the
Speaker 2: people in Federal Parliament who again have one of the
Speaker 2: highest pay rises of all time.
Speaker 1: You are in a.
Speaker 2: World of pay and you will not be distracted by
Speaker 2: what this bloke is trying to do to change the subject,
Speaker 2: because we saw in the Northern Territory when the Labor
Speaker 2: Party consistently and continuously tries to gaslight and electorate youth
Speaker 2: crime is not as bad as you think. It's actually
Speaker 2: coming down. We're really on top of it. Guess what
Speaker 2: people see the reality of their own circumstances. They put
Speaker 2: on a size nine of the rossy boots and they
Speaker 2: punch you as hard as they possibly can. Meantim again
Speaker 2: about insurance, the number of people who are now giving
Speaker 2: up on it because they can't afford it, meaning that
Speaker 2: if there was a flood or a cracked roof tile,
Speaker 2: or somebody breaks a window, or somebody steals the car,
Speaker 2: or somebody sinks the boat, then you are up the
Speaker 2: creek without a paddle.
Speaker 1: This is a mob called Actori's Institute.
Speaker 2: Steeper home insurance premiums have caused a number of Australian
Speaker 2: households experiencing home insurance affordability stress to go up by
Speaker 2: thirty percent. That's now one point six million people. Not
Speaker 2: over the past decade, not over the past five years,
Speaker 2: in the past twelve months. Why because it went up
Speaker 2: by three point four percent one year eight point five
Speaker 2: on top of three point four six point four on
Speaker 2: top of eight point five total in the past three years.
Speaker 2: Insurance up up up eighteen percent. The Home Insurance Affordability
Speaker 2: and Home Loans at Risk Report catchy Title found that
Speaker 2: of these households, they were spending, on average of houses
Speaker 2: nine point six weeks of their gross income on house insurance.
Speaker 2: So you've got to work for like months to be
Speaker 2: able to pay off the overall insurance seven times higher
Speaker 2: than the average household overall. The proportion to push the
Speaker 2: proportion of affordability stress in households facing more home insurance
Speaker 2: premiums are more than one month's gross annual income. I apologize.
Speaker 2: They rose to fifteen percent this year. It was twelve
Speaker 2: percent last year. Here's a map. If all the garble
Speaker 2: word doesn't work the darker the color, the harder it
Speaker 2: is for people to pay for things like home insurance.
Speaker 2: Oh but the details of when he's going to get married,
Speaker 2: in his previous love life and the breakdown of his
Speaker 2: love life. And please think of me as a great
Speaker 2: world leader because I know how to jump on and
Speaker 2: off a private jet.
Speaker 1: Shove it. I meant. I'm thinking about planes.
Speaker 2: As we know, we have a system where basically, if
Speaker 2: you want to fly, there is really only two options.
Speaker 2: You'll end up flying contits or you will fly Virgin,
Speaker 2: both fine airlines. Personally, my preference is Virgin, God love them.
Speaker 2: But there are plenty of examples of lots of different airlines,
Speaker 2: both here and overseas, where when your flight gets canceled,
Speaker 2: well they don't.
Speaker 1: Give you any money back.
Speaker 2: You end up either being stranded or put you up
Speaker 2: in a hotel. But the point is you don't end
Speaker 2: up with any money. Now, interestingly, the federal government is
Speaker 2: thinking about changing this. They want to introduce a thing
Speaker 2: called the Charter of Rights, meaning that you, as a
Speaker 2: passenger would be able to, among other things, get money
Speaker 2: back if you want to if you don't catch the
Speaker 2: flight you want to. Australians would be able to access
Speaker 2: cash refunds for canceled or unreasonably delayed flights under a
Speaker 2: much anticipated crackdown on the aviation sector. The White Paper
Speaker 2: was handed down this morning and has hoped to trigger
Speaker 2: a flight revival. Sorry some slight pushback here from the
Speaker 2: soaring costs after the collapse of two airlines, that being
Speaker 2: Bonds and Rex. The government's using the White Paper to
Speaker 2: talk about a thing called a Charter of Rights entitling
Speaker 2: airline customers to refunds for flights that are disrupted, canceled
Speaker 2: or unreasonably delayed. Good idea, he's the Aviation Minister.
Speaker 3: What we all want to see is in fact that
Speaker 3: customers get what they pay for. You've bought a ticket.
Speaker 3: If the flight doesn't go, or the flight doesn't go
Speaker 3: when you expect it to go, you should expect that
Speaker 3: that's the service that is provided. And so really this
Speaker 3: is about providing remedies to consumers.
Speaker 2: And they would introduce a new organization which you would
Speaker 2: be able to complain to, which would help you get
Speaker 2: back the refund.
Speaker 1: But don't get too excited.
Speaker 2: Despite the fact that this government, if it wants to,
Speaker 2: can pass whatever legislation it wants as fast as it wants.
Speaker 2: This will not be created until twenty twenty six, So
Speaker 2: nothing will happen this year, nothing will happen next year,
Speaker 2: and who knows when the year after they will create
Speaker 2: the organization that will help police whether or not you
Speaker 2: can get money back if a plane does not turn
Speaker 2: up when you want the plane to turn up. Meantime,
Speaker 2: eagalize over at the Daily Mail. Notice that again some
Speaker 2: woke language is used in all of this. Anthony Albaneese
Speaker 2: is government vowed to improve the rights of airline passengers,
Speaker 2: but a technical change has us He's laughing woke. You see,
Speaker 2: the telecommunications industry has a thing called the telecommunications ombardsman.
Speaker 2: The term ombardsman is essentially a person who will investigate
Speaker 2: complaints on your behalf. In most of the areas that
Speaker 2: business is on one side, government is on the other side.
Speaker 2: The ombardsman puts out a report. The ombardsman is often
Speaker 2: somebody who is supposed to be independent from government. But
Speaker 2: because this is the Albanezioso woke government, guess what they
Speaker 2: got rid of.
Speaker 1: The man in ombards man.
Speaker 2: New efforts to protect passengers rights will be spearheaded by
Speaker 2: an ombud not an Onmbirdsman. The Federal government's aviation white
Speaker 2: Paper has revealed the gender neutral shift appears to be
Speaker 2: the first of its kind in an official government communication,
Speaker 2: departure from Ombud's schemes such as the fair work on Birdsmen.
Speaker 2: So when they're starting a new one the lot, they
Speaker 2: call it an Ombud. If they're still running one, it'll
Speaker 2: still be a call on Onbud's mun But somebody will
Speaker 2: be hoping to change that sometime in the future. To
Speaker 2: my first point, interest rates have gone up twelve times
Speaker 2: on these people's watch, insurance has gone up by how
Speaker 2: much in.
Speaker 1: The past three years?
Speaker 2: Petrol they charge more tax than ever before. The Prime
Speaker 2: Minister thinks he can distract you by personal life anecdotes,
Speaker 2: or look at how big a world leader I am,
Speaker 2: because I'm going around the world on a new private
Speaker 2: jet that's going to cost him and the Governor General
Speaker 2: or ass actually about the same amount of money as
Speaker 2: the voice did, about four hundred.
Speaker 1: And fifty million dollars.
Speaker 2: Seriously, these people, you'd say that they're ostriches or emais
Speaker 2: and they got their head.
Speaker 1: In their sand. But I think it might be somewhere else.
Speaker 2: To the CFMEU now we all know the stories, we
Speaker 2: all know the allegations that have been made against them,
Speaker 2: and we all know the obvious case for policing and
Speaker 2: better policing of the CFMEU. But this Labor Party that
Speaker 2: now wants to pretend it's getting tough on the MEU.
Speaker 2: You of course got rid of the standing Royal Commission
Speaker 2: into the Building Industry, which, among other things, exposed some
Speaker 2: of the behaviors of the CFMEU.
Speaker 1: But tomorrow get ready.
Speaker 2: For the ce FMU and you're part of Australia to
Speaker 2: walk off the job, highvis and everything. But your union proud,
Speaker 2: scream yell and they are ready for what they call
Speaker 2: a war.
Speaker 4: Message to the Labor Party, what's your membership disappear? You're
Speaker 4: all vaded up to look after work and people do
Speaker 4: your job, run the country. Your membership is going to disappear.
Speaker 4: It's a disgrace what you are doing. Yeah, if I've
Speaker 4: got one message for our union, it's probably the old
Speaker 4: saying it's darkest before the dawn, or just makes me
Speaker 4: think that we've got a battle on our hands. Maybe
Speaker 4: not a short battle, it could be a long war.
Speaker 2: Well, you know that they're getting ready for one, because
Speaker 2: they're using terms like war and they're quoting Batman Darkest.
Speaker 1: Before the Dawn.
Speaker 2: Seriously, this is the sort of staff to expect in
Speaker 2: the next little while. Now, remember this is the very
Speaker 2: same union that's been demanding stop go lollipop people. Have
Speaker 2: I offended lollipop people, lollipop persons or with the onards
Speaker 2: things at lollipop Okay, lollipops around Australia who are still
Speaker 2: they claim being paid two hundred thousand dollars or need
Speaker 2: to be paid two hundred thousand dollars because sometimes it's
Speaker 2: hot and sometimes it rains when they lollipop.
Speaker 1: Of course, union protests nothing new.
Speaker 2: He's won from a couple of years ago when they
Speaker 2: were fighting over in and around the same things. And
Speaker 2: things even got so testy that at the Federal Government
Speaker 2: office block in Brisbane, a member of the CFMEU decided
Speaker 2: to push so hard against the door that it broke.
Speaker 5: Bringing it home with a bang.
Speaker 3: The front doors of Waterfront Place in pieces after a
Speaker 3: rowdy protest for better pay and conditions.
Speaker 1: Nothing to see here.
Speaker 2: Interestingly, John Setka, who is now out of the CFMAU
Speaker 2: in Victoria, is a man who is still deeply union
Speaker 2: proud got the tattoos to prove it, and he did
Speaker 2: an interview last on Channel seven. He told an interesting
Speaker 2: story about an apparent interaction with the OsO tough Prime Minister.
Speaker 3: You're not going to say what you said to the
Speaker 3: Prime Minister in the lift, but tell me what was
Speaker 3: his reaction to what you said?
Speaker 6: Did he have a physical reaction to what you said?
Speaker 7: I didn't say anything bad to him.
Speaker 1: Was he scared? He was scared?
Speaker 3: How do you know he was scared?
Speaker 7: Well, when someone stats trimming, you know he's scared. And
Speaker 7: evens I hadn't even said a word.
Speaker 2: Now I didn't believe him, or don't believe him. But
Speaker 2: the only person who you think could respond is the
Speaker 2: other person in the lift. Oh no, there was a
Speaker 2: minister sent out to speak on the Prime Minister's behalf
Speaker 2: about a lyft ride that they didn't know much about.
Speaker 8: Anyone who's met the Prime Minister would know that he'd
Speaker 8: be happy to get on a left with that, and
Speaker 8: John Secker, anyone wouldn't make him tremble. I think it's
Speaker 8: just John Secker trying to beat his chest and try
Speaker 8: and be the tough guy, and unfortunately that's been the problem.
Speaker 2: Now, of course, the difference between if you did happen
Speaker 2: to get into a lift of the Prime Minister is
Speaker 2: that you might get out on floors one, two or three.
Speaker 1: He'll go to the penthouse because you're paying for it.
Speaker 1: Mean come John and Seeker.
Speaker 2: Had plenty to say as well about why he decided
Speaker 2: to pull the pin on his involvement with the c
Speaker 2: FORMU in Victoria.
Speaker 7: The truth is there was a deal struck I offered
Speaker 7: myself when I heard that there could be an administrator appointed.
Speaker 7: Struck between who between our union, our national office and
Speaker 7: my understanding was Burke, Minister Burke. I said, you know what,
Speaker 7: I'll go. I will pull the pin today, but they
Speaker 7: leave the union alone. And at twenty to six the
Speaker 7: call came through. Yes there's a deal.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 2: Also very interesting here is that obviously the Labor Party
Speaker 2: has now finally seen that they have to create some
Speaker 2: sort of distance between themselves and the CFMU. Interestingly, though
Speaker 2: some people with connections to the CFM you still sit
Speaker 2: on the National Executive i e.
Speaker 1: The Board of Directors of the Labor Party.
Speaker 2: They of course would be serious about severing ties with
Speaker 2: parts of the CFMU if those people were ushit out
Speaker 2: the door. But you know, minor details process story, nobody's
Speaker 2: interested in that.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: Where will the CFMU end up, Where will the muscle
Speaker 2: on the polling places end up? Where will their considerable
Speaker 2: amounts of money Remember, of course they run or have
Speaker 2: connections to superannuation funds. Well, of course that may well
Speaker 2: end up being the Greens. Ironically, the bloke it was
Speaker 2: telling you about the Prime Minister and Lyft is now
Speaker 2: telling you about the CFMU and the Greens.
Speaker 8: It would be nice to hear from the Greens why
Speaker 8: they don't actually support this bill, But instead they spent
Speaker 8: the best part of three days curling up into a
Speaker 8: little ball, hoping that this argument can avoid them and
Speaker 8: hoping that they don't have to take a position. Well,
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, but you're going to have to take an addition,
Speaker 8: The only reason the Greens can be possibly opposing the
Speaker 8: legislation that we're putting forward is that they are desperate
Speaker 8: to carve off donations to prop up their campaigns.
Speaker 2: Now, I want to signore what is about to happen
Speaker 2: to Dan Tian Dan ten is a Liberal member of
Speaker 2: Parliament is of course the shadow Immigration Minister, and he
Speaker 2: has been tharmby the government for the past couple of
Speaker 2: weeks and if this government goes to minority or even worse,
Speaker 2: it'll largely be because of his efforts in the past
Speaker 2: two weeks.
Speaker 10: Is the Minister aware of any concerns from security or
Speaker 10: intelligence agencies about any of the thirteen hundred people who
Speaker 10: have arrived in Australia from the Gaza warside. Isn't this
Speaker 10: why Australians are disappointed in the Prime Minister and now
Speaker 10: saying he is incompetent and dishonest. How many of the
Speaker 10: twenty nine hundred visas from Gaza have been canceled? There's
Speaker 10: no concepts of it's just a question of how many.
Speaker 2: Now he represents a part of Victoria that is in
Speaker 2: and around Warnabull.
Speaker 1: Now you know we love Warnable.
Speaker 2: We've done an ourtown show from there, speaking of we're
Speaker 2: off the wa this week, very excited.
Speaker 1: Warnable's a beautiful part of Australia.
Speaker 2: And guests who decided today to just focus on the
Speaker 2: teal challenger to the man who has caused so much
Speaker 2: trouble for the government when it comes to who comes
Speaker 2: to the country and the manner in which they come.
Speaker 1: Well, the Cydney Morning.
Speaker 2: Herald, The Age The Brisbane Times decided today was the
Speaker 2: day to give the coverage to the Teal.
Speaker 1: Challenger to Dan Tean.
Speaker 2: Now this is of course done by the opinion section,
Speaker 2: not the news section, because you can say so many
Speaker 2: more nice things, a little bit like ween Zalie Stegel
Speaker 2: launched her campaign to ask then former Prime Minister Tony
Speaker 2: Abbott again. This was launched very in a beautiful arrangement
Speaker 2: with a right along.
Speaker 1: With Us profile on the ABC.
Speaker 2: The ABC even went to the electorate the day before
Speaker 2: the federal election. The puff pieces were already out and
Speaker 2: about just as the campaign was launched. It's almost like
Speaker 2: they know exactly what they're doing here, and what they
Speaker 2: do is they try to highlight one of the Teal targets,
Speaker 2: focus the media on it, and therefore try to get
Speaker 2: a result. Now, interestingly, when it comes to this situation, yes,
Speaker 2: the Teal candidate who claims not to be a Teal
Speaker 2: and I'll get to that in a moment or two,
Speaker 2: is time. The first time they ran, they got about
Speaker 2: ten percent. They've got about nineteen percent in the most
Speaker 2: recent federal election, so they got it to technically marginal,
Speaker 2: but Dan Tee and even when the water was going
Speaker 2: out on the previous government was getting close to fifty
Speaker 2: percent of the vote. But of course the reason the
Speaker 2: Teal is able to get there is because you add
Speaker 2: the Labor Party together with the Greens, together with the Independent,
Speaker 2: and then oh magically we're forty something percent and two
Speaker 2: party preferred. You're notited Australia Party one nation. Your preferences
Speaker 2: matter why because if you muck around and go fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty, you're going to end up with Labor Party
Speaker 2: people or Teal people, and I'm pretty sure they're not
Speaker 2: going to be the types of people that will represent
Speaker 2: you in the fashion.
Speaker 1: Of which you like.
Speaker 2: Now, of course, should technically say he's not really a
Speaker 2: Teal because he's got orange T shirts, but he's got
Speaker 2: Teal money, which.
Speaker 1: Would suggest to me that he's actually a Teal. Now.
Speaker 2: Of course, what they want is programs like ours to
Speaker 2: blow up and overfocus on this seat. This is the
Speaker 2: last time. I'm most likely we'll talk about it for many,
Speaker 2: many months. But when you see magical references that the
Speaker 2: next on the Teal target is Stantean, they're doing it
Speaker 2: because he's effective, very effective in the Parliament. And they're
Speaker 2: doing it because they hope that we end up talking
Speaker 2: about it, we talk the challenge into reality. Wait, watch
Speaker 2: and see, because I won't be adding to that. I
Speaker 2: just wanted to tell you what's going on and how
Speaker 2: they go after the people who disrupt the left's narrative
Speaker 2: every time. Now, I mentioned at the start of the show,
Speaker 2: we all know how powerful in supermarkets Coals and Woolies are.
Speaker 2: And yes there's Aldi, and yes there's IgA, and yes
Speaker 2: there's technically other people around, but these are the two
Speaker 2: big ones.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to hardware or plants.
Speaker 2: Or anything else, it feels like you're more likely to
Speaker 2: see a Bunnings than you are to see your local
Speaker 2: hardware store or local nursery. They've all closed up over
Speaker 2: a while because essentially, this big ship flies in and
Speaker 2: the range is great and the people are love. I
Speaker 2: get all of that, right, But just as when one
Speaker 2: supermarket or two supermarkets are kind of in charge of everything, well,
Speaker 2: what happens to the people who try to sell things
Speaker 2: in those stores? Are they selling them for fair amounts?
Speaker 2: Does the big company screw them down? Well, interestingly, this
Speaker 2: is going to be the focus of a inquiry in
Speaker 2: the same way that the supermarket CEOs were brought in
Speaker 2: and finger waving, And I generally don't like the tactic
Speaker 2: because not much happens after it. But now that we
Speaker 2: have a code of conduct which is going to be
Speaker 2: administered by the federal government about the behaviors of Colson
Speaker 2: Woolies and the people who sell to them to make
Speaker 2: sure that you get a fair price so they can
Speaker 2: keep on with their businesses, well, this may well be
Speaker 2: what's about to happen. To Bunnings. Reporter who wrote the
Speaker 2: story today for the AFR, was on the radio in Perth.
Speaker 9: Competition should be stronger in their business and that there
Speaker 9: should be better deals for suppliers, including for plant suppliers
Speaker 9: selling to businesses like Bummings, to ensure that their businesses
Speaker 9: are viable and that the regional producers in particular can
Speaker 9: continue to sell and make a good living themselves.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that, and the farmer's firing up today
Speaker 2: and feeling very under looved with the wonderful Matt Canavan.
Speaker 2: We'll get him in a mund or two's time, but
Speaker 2: quickly to the United States. The bookies say the race
Speaker 2: is fifty to fifty. Why is the race fifty to fifty,
Speaker 2: because the one state that matters more than anything else
Speaker 2: in terms of the swing states, Pennsylvania, is fifty fifty.
Speaker 2: The polls seem to suggest that Nevada and Arizona a
Speaker 2: little bit stronger for Trump, but fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: Which is why the Robert F.
Speaker 2: Kennedy thing matters, because if what is left of Robert
Speaker 2: Kennedy's vote, the majority of which goes to Trump, He'll
Speaker 2: win the state and then of course sets himself up
Speaker 2: to win the presidency. Interestingly, where Trump goes from here
Speaker 2: now that all of the conventions are done and we
Speaker 2: wait till the debate, I think on the tenth eleventh
Speaker 2: of September, tenth of September, thank you Team, is that
Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot more Trump rallies. They're
Speaker 2: going to be inside, they're going to be outside. There's
Speaker 2: going to be fireworks, There's going to be no fireworks.
Speaker 2: And his campaign says, get ready for something massive from
Speaker 2: Trump every single day for the next seventy something until
Speaker 2: the country decides.
Speaker 11: We have new reporting tonight on Trump's sprint to November.
Speaker 11: We're learning that his campaign plans to aggressively ramp up
Speaker 11: his schedule, holding several events each week, one advisor saying, quote,
Speaker 11: think Trump on steroids.
Speaker 2: Fight fight, fight, can't wait to see it happen. Meantime,
Speaker 2: as the lefty media is still carrying not just water
Speaker 2: but parting the seas. Not it's a torture metaphor, but
Speaker 2: still for Kamala Harris, it's left to the people who
Speaker 2: go on to these now dominant establishment and access media
Speaker 2: shows to actually call bs, including on the idea that
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris has put any detail on the table. Tom Colton,
Speaker 2: Republican Senator, School's ten out of ten hits it out
Speaker 2: of the park, gets a home run, Schools seeks an out.
Speaker 1: Do you get my point?
Speaker 12: The American people are totally justified to conclude that Kamala
Speaker 12: Harris is a dangerous San Francisco Liberal based on what
Speaker 12: she campaigned on the last time she ran for president
Speaker 12: and what this administration has done the last four years. Again,
Speaker 12: you would have thought watching the Democratic Convention last week
Speaker 12: that the Democrats are not in office, but they're not
Speaker 12: in power, that they're campaigning against an incumbent Republican when
Speaker 12: in reality, she's been part of the failures of the
Speaker 12: Biden Harris administration for four years.
Speaker 1: Meantime, I'd watch all of this stuff so you don't
Speaker 1: have to.
Speaker 2: But the passive, aggressive, snocky snowbery, frankly, that comes out
Speaker 2: of many of the people who sit on the panels
Speaker 2: discussing American politics is well reminiscent of two thousand and six. Now,
Speaker 2: I have no idea what's about to happen in November
Speaker 2: of this year. I don't know if it's going to
Speaker 2: be harrassed by a mile Trump by Trump, who knows.
Speaker 2: But the way did these people think, oh, we've got
Speaker 2: nothing to worry about, We're all okay. And what's the
Speaker 2: difference between the orange had lady who used to work
Speaker 2: for the Biden campaign by the way, so she's not
Speaker 2: an objective contributor and the blokeho I think, used to
Speaker 2: work for George W. Bush's again a sourin contributor. When
Speaker 2: he talks about the reality of the gas lighting of
Speaker 2: the Democrats, Watch how she just ignores what he says
Speaker 2: and makes up something. This happens to Trump every day.
Speaker 6: So this notion like joy isn't a strategy. Joy is
Speaker 6: actually what people want. This is what they want to
Speaker 6: feel right now, and they're feeling it from her. She's
Speaker 6: also laying out substantive policy proposals, which she did in
Speaker 6: her her nominating speech, and the idea of these two
Speaker 6: things are somehow mutually exclusive. I don't think that's true.
Speaker 6: And what she's doing right now is good.
Speaker 13: The joy will continue until morale improves. People don't want
Speaker 13: to feel joy, they want.
Speaker 1: To feel relief.
Speaker 13: The economic anxiety is real, and it is you know,
Speaker 13: you can say inflation is down, and I know that's
Speaker 13: why the Democrats are going to argue. Not a single
Speaker 13: person who has bought a single thing in the last
Speaker 13: four years or in the last four minutes believes that.
Speaker 13: And I think you get in trouble in politics when
Speaker 13: you tell people something.
Speaker 1: That does not match their lived experience.
Speaker 6: So stus as people do not want to feel joy. Yes, everyone,
Speaker 6: stick around.
Speaker 5: We're going to keep.
Speaker 2: What garbage did you already actually said about the actual economy.
Speaker 2: But of course, the way the media exhaustly we're going
Speaker 2: to turn this word and pretend that this word is
Speaker 2: the word they're fighting against. Please wait, watch and say
Speaker 2: I'll update you on this and everything else every night
Speaker 2: here on Pulmary Life. Great Battle coming up next to
Speaker 2: Sam Crosby, Matt Canavan, and then we're gonna do a
Speaker 2: bit of rock and roll before we've done to night.
Speaker 2: You're gonna love tonight's show. Thanks for watching, Thanks very
Speaker 2: much for watching. Senator Matt Canavan joins us right now
Speaker 2: along with the wonderful Sam Crosby. Both fire up, both
Speaker 2: ready to go because we're doing rock and roll on
Speaker 2: the second.
Speaker 1: It's all you boys for the next few minutes. So
Speaker 1: let's get to this, Matt, what do you think happened
Speaker 1: in the NT? Now?
Speaker 2: We know crime was the issue. Is there something bigger
Speaker 2: that happened in the Northern Territory because they didn't just change,
Speaker 2: they flogged the Labor Party, that being the Seal people.
Speaker 14: Well, I think it does show and represent the general
Speaker 14: unhappiness Australians have right now with the direction of their country,
Speaker 14: their territory, their state, whatever it is. Obviously there were
Speaker 14: some local issues there in the NT, as always, but
Speaker 14: to receive the spanking of this kind, there probably is
Speaker 14: this underlying concern from Australians that things just aren't going
Speaker 14: that well right now. I mean pretty much everywhere you look.
Speaker 14: You mentioned law and order, which is an issue for
Speaker 14: some but obviously everybody goes to their shops on a
Speaker 14: weekly basis, and everything costs.
Speaker 1: More and more.
Speaker 14: People who owe a mortgage, you're paying thousands of dollars
Speaker 14: or more on their repayments in just the last couple
Speaker 14: of years. Our hospitals are bulging and just can't seem
Speaker 14: to deal with even not life threatening but serious injuries
Speaker 14: on a timely basis. Our roads have massive potholes in
Speaker 14: them that just didn't exist years ago. Doesn't be raining
Speaker 14: any harder, but things just don't seem to be keeping up.
Speaker 14: Our nation's sort of crumbling around us, and so I
Speaker 14: think that's what's happening here, and it's a tough time
Speaker 14: for incumbent governments that don't have the answers. Certainly federally,
Speaker 14: we've got one of those governments that's flailing around right now,
Speaker 14: I'm not really sure about itself, and doesn't really have
Speaker 14: any solutions to these massive problems facing Australians today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam, I also think it relates a little back
Speaker 2: to just the principle of what that Republican.
Speaker 1: Bloke was saying on CNN.
Speaker 2: I know you were taking notes, which was I'll say
Speaker 2: you here, which was him saying well, you can't tell
Speaker 2: people that the live experience is different than what it
Speaker 2: actually is. Right now, governments of all persuasions, at some
Speaker 2: point in time end up saying, well, this data says
Speaker 2: it's better than you think it is, but the Treasury
Speaker 2: has told me life's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this one's up, this one's down.
Speaker 2: I think that's the less and for albow charmers and
Speaker 2: the rest of them, is to actually engage with something
Speaker 2: as it is, not as someone can represent it to be.
Speaker 15: Look, I think you're right, and notwithstanding Matt's very ungracious
Speaker 15: comments about the federal government, I think a lot of
Speaker 15: these points are correct that long term governments, after a while,
Speaker 15: they have to wear the blame for everything that's going
Speaker 15: wrong in someone's life. Let me put one other theory
Speaker 15: out there as so, I think why whereas the Labor
Speaker 15: Party did so poorly on the weekend, I think this
Speaker 15: government's last term was horribly, horribly inconsistent. You know, if
Speaker 15: you look at three chief ministers, three chief ministers, well
Speaker 15: that's right, Like if are you pro fracking or are
Speaker 15: you anti fracking? Are you pro tough on crime or
Speaker 15: you pro a software approach? I almost don't even know
Speaker 15: if it matters which side you pick, as long as
Speaker 15: you stick to it and you believe in it and
Speaker 15: you've got some evidence to back it up. I mean,
Speaker 15: at some stage of rubber is going to have to
Speaker 15: it hit the road and you've got to hope it works.
Speaker 15: But they got eaten from the left and the right.
Speaker 15: They got all the worst parts of going to the
Speaker 15: left and all the worst parts of going to the right.
Speaker 15: At no stage does it seem like they actually sat
Speaker 15: down and thought, well, hold on, what's actually going to
Speaker 15: work to deliver the outcomes that we promised.
Speaker 2: Well, what'll be fascinating to watch too is remember one
Speaker 2: of the negotiations currently making its way in and around
Speaker 2: Canvas is, in order to get some federal finance stuff changed,
Speaker 2: will they double the number of senators that come from territories. Now,
Speaker 2: of course that'll produce way more lefties out of the act.
Speaker 2: But with the Greens being able to get enough of
Speaker 2: a vote to take over, say the richest part of Darwin,
Speaker 2: they've been in and around Fanny Bay, do they end
Speaker 2: up now in a scenario where they're going to start
Speaker 2: threatening for one of the four spots rather than the
Speaker 2: even divide again, potentially making it even further to the
Speaker 2: left all weight watch and sea. It is always interesting,
Speaker 2: by the way, how the riches go green first, isn't
Speaker 2: it anyway? What about the farmers today, Matt, when they
Speaker 2: decided to give it to did you send to Alan
Speaker 2: as she was there at the Bush summit? This one
Speaker 2: was in Victoria, I think in Bendigom and mate Rita
Speaker 2: Panahy was there along with many others. This is some
Speaker 2: of the reaction that came from farmers when Alan was
Speaker 2: well talking up her own book.
Speaker 1: Have a look.
Speaker 3: It also provides not just a more secure form of energy,
Speaker 3: it's a cheaper form of energy. We're nearly at forty percent.
Speaker 5: So how do we get excuse lads and John's.
Speaker 1: She didn't like that, did she? Now?
Speaker 2: Of course, perfect example about what's happening around places like Ballarat.
Speaker 2: Now I don't understand how Ballarat sent labor MPs back
Speaker 2: to the Victorian Parliament at the last election when that
Speaker 2: is the absolute heart of one of those areas where
Speaker 2: because Melbourne has decided we're going, we're going renewable energy,
Speaker 2: places like Ballarat are the ones who have to put
Speaker 2: up with the massive disruption to their farms. That in
Speaker 2: part is why they called bs. But she didn't like it,
Speaker 2: did she?
Speaker 1: No, she didn't.
Speaker 14: Paul, and I just want to segue from your last
Speaker 14: comment about rich areas going green first. I just wish
Speaker 14: we'd impose green policies on those.
Speaker 1: Areas first too. I mean, I think that needs.
Speaker 14: To happen, because what Tennis to seem to happen is
Speaker 14: the rich people vote for the Greens, and then the
Speaker 14: Greens policies get imposed out in the bush and the
Speaker 14: rural areas. They're the ones that have to suffer among
Speaker 14: these massive bird killing wind turbines and hectares full of
Speaker 14: mirrors and their beautiful landscapes. That's why there's this reaction
Speaker 14: going on in the bush. And obviously Premier Allen seems
Speaker 14: completely deaf to it. I don't know how she thought
Speaker 14: that would go down well. It goes also back to
Speaker 14: what you said about politicians telling people that their lived
Speaker 14: experience is wrong, because how could you get up and
Speaker 14: say with a straight face that renewables is the cheapest.
Speaker 1: Form of power.
Speaker 14: I mean, everybody in that room has got a power
Speaker 14: bill in the last quarter. Everybody can see their power
Speaker 14: bills go through the roof at the same time that
Speaker 14: the Victorian government, more than any other apart from South Australia,
Speaker 14: has been rolling out renewables at a record pace. And
Speaker 14: could you say that with a straight face. And that's
Speaker 14: why people are losing trust in politicians. It's why you're
Speaker 14: seeing these reactions at the ballot post box and in
Speaker 14: terms of baller rut at the state election. The problem there,
Speaker 14: Paul was there wasn't an alternative the Victorian levels of
Speaker 14: that election, where as Gung ho as the Labor Party
Speaker 14: on the climate agender, if not more so, that's a
Speaker 14: bit different now federally because we've got a better dot
Speaker 14: than the leader who's backing your clear energy and saying
Speaker 14: no to this reckless rollout of renewables across our beautiful,
Speaker 14: pristine Australian landscapes.
Speaker 2: Now, Sam, I'm going to give you a very easy,
Speaker 2: very easy task right now. Could you please explain why
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister thinks calling people after or not being
Speaker 2: able to call people after the end of the workday
Speaker 2: will improve productivity. You're a smarter person than I, full
Speaker 2: bright and all well. The tape so he has time.
Speaker 16: To think, you know what it'll do it'll boost productivity.
Speaker 16: The idea that you should be on call at ten
Speaker 16: o'clock at night if you work a nine to five
Speaker 16: job isn't reasonable, and that will lead to better relations
Speaker 16: in the workplace.
Speaker 1: Does he know what productivity? Actually?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he how well you slept the night before.
Speaker 2: It's how much work you get done at work.
Speaker 15: So I'll freely admit we are going to delve deep
Speaker 15: into white collar privileged jobs right here. But generally speaking,
Speaker 15: when you turn up to the office, you know, you
Speaker 15: work an eight hour day, sure, but actually being productive
Speaker 15: in that period of time, you're not productive for the
Speaker 15: full light house, right, that's complete nonsense. You were productive
Speaker 15: for maybe half maybe three quarters that time. Now, if
Speaker 15: you're rocking up to work having you know, not slept,
Speaker 15: having you know, it's not going to be quality work.
Speaker 15: And so the point that he's making is if you
Speaker 15: can actually get some time, often some time to spend
Speaker 15: with your family to decompress, you're going to turn up
Speaker 15: to the office the next day and you're going to
Speaker 15: be able to process and deliver for your employer. I
Speaker 15: think that's a very reasonable point.
Speaker 2: I think you're being a very loyal soldier there, very
Speaker 2: loyal soldier. But we'll move on because I want to
Speaker 2: get there as many things as possible before we go.
Speaker 1: A bit of rock and roll that.
Speaker 2: Will be in a good fight though, Jackie Lamby, Now, Okay,
Speaker 2: I understand the power of the personality. I understand how
Speaker 2: the media loves her because she fits into this lovely
Speaker 2: little slot. But the reality of her politics is that
Speaker 2: she doesn't want to be part of any dis decision
Speaker 2: making process. She just wants you to come up with
Speaker 2: the idea everyone else negotiated, and then she's the last
Speaker 2: person in the room.
Speaker 1: He decides like it, don't like it.
Speaker 2: She, of course, is able to rage against governments at
Speaker 2: all times, which is why when she's had people working
Speaker 2: with her they leave her party in the Senate, and
Speaker 2: why she's apparently sacked two of the three people who
Speaker 2: got elected in Tasmania.
Speaker 1: Now, Matt, do you see up close?
Speaker 2: I mean again, I get the brand, I get the success,
Speaker 2: I get why it works, But is it exclusive to
Speaker 2: one person as opposed to the people they can help
Speaker 2: get elected with them?
Speaker 14: Look, I think it's just the pattern of all of
Speaker 14: these single name parties that they tend to implode because
Speaker 14: they're not based around a value set or a principal
Speaker 14: based set of principles. They're based around a person and
Speaker 14: as you say, when that person disagrees with other people,
Speaker 14: its invariably happens. When people get together the party implodes.
Speaker 14: So it's not just Jackie Lamby. We've seen Paul Enhance
Speaker 14: lose her run the state MP here in Queensland, seeing
Speaker 14: Clyde Palmer do the same and say, look, I just
Speaker 14: don't think they're good teams, and you need a good
Speaker 14: team ultimately to get anything done in life.
Speaker 2: So then seeing we end up with this silly world
Speaker 2: where we're going to pretend that the Teals aren't a
Speaker 2: party despite the fact they identify the same way, you vote,
Speaker 2: the same way, but they're all technically independent.
Speaker 1: Is that the way to do it?
Speaker 15: Look, I don't know, and I'm certainly not here to
Speaker 15: defend the Teals. However, to Matt's point, I think he's right.
Speaker 15: You know, in one of these parties that are branded
Speaker 15: by the individual, then they're the sort of dictator, the
Speaker 15: lead of the whole thing. At least with the Teals,
Speaker 15: you've got a situation where they're all equal and they
Speaker 15: can all have it out and come up with whatever
Speaker 15: they want. But if you're going to get me on
Speaker 15: here to defend the tials, you know, we got to
Speaker 15: talk about my contract.
Speaker 1: All right, I love it.
Speaker 2: I'll see you next week. Thank you very much, Sam,
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Matt. All right, let's do some
Speaker 2: rock and roll, some great stories about the musicians that
Speaker 2: you love and the music you adore even more. A
Speaker 2: man who's metamor worked them all knows.
Speaker 1: Them alls call them friends.
Speaker 2: Next, who doesn't love popular music, rock music, punk music,
Speaker 2: all the rest of it is certainly the soundtrack of
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: And I don't care what my little girl say.
Speaker 2: Okay, bit of Taylor every now and then we'll get
Speaker 2: to ju Alipa, but I want to do the rock
Speaker 2: and roll. And a bloke who worked with Bowie, the Stones,
Speaker 2: the Spice Girls, Prince my favorite rock group of all time.
Speaker 1: The who is Alan Edwards.
Speaker 2: He's got a book about his life which is this
Speaker 2: absolute pearla.
Speaker 1: It is called I was there.
Speaker 2: At this damn book Father's Day, Father's Day, Father's Day
Speaker 2: by a copy for you and a copy for Dad,
Speaker 2: and Alan joins us.
Speaker 1: Now I believe in the UK. Alan, love you to
Speaker 1: meet you. What a life? What a career in Congrats
Speaker 1: on the book.
Speaker 5: Hi, Paul, thanks for the kind words about the book.
Speaker 5: Absolutely brilliant and likewise, I love the Who. What a
Speaker 5: great band you know that Roger Daltrey. He calls me
Speaker 5: up after every we have football at the weekends. He
Speaker 5: calls me up after every match and discuss the off
Speaker 5: sides and so on. Here is a great bloke and
Speaker 5: what a band.
Speaker 1: Can you believe?
Speaker 2: Though, within a world of rock and roll where everyone
Speaker 2: kind of gets to reinvent something every twenty years, no one,
Speaker 2: no one's got the balls to go on stage and
Speaker 2: swing a mic like Daltrey did in the seventies. They
Speaker 2: know it's been done. They know they can't do it.
Speaker 2: No one's going to replicate the Who, will they?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: I mean the timing to swirl it and catch it
Speaker 5: like that, and then let's not get Keith smashing up
Speaker 5: the drum care and keep whirling with the guitar. In
Speaker 5: a way, they were the ultimate rock group. Although I've
Speaker 5: got to say I grew up on the Who, Stones
Speaker 5: and Zeppelin and they were all pretty incredible in different ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous to say this. If Matt
Speaker 2: Rushmore could have fifty faces on it. They get their
Speaker 2: place there also about Keith Moon, their mad drummer, mad
Speaker 2: genius drummer. There's a story that goes back to you
Speaker 2: sort of very early days, Frankly in your career. Tell
Speaker 2: me the TV friendly version of when a lot of
Speaker 2: people thought they were going to meet the Who, but
Speaker 2: they were no chance of meeting the Who.
Speaker 5: Well, we're talking about Keith Moon coming in the office
Speaker 5: or going up to the who geg.
Speaker 1: Going up to the hoo Gig. I love the hoo gig.
Speaker 5: Stock, right, So I've been in my new job. I'm
Speaker 5: working for a guy called Keith or for them, he's
Speaker 5: the dying of music PRS and he represents everybody at Woodstock.
Speaker 5: He looks after the Moody Blues, you know, Eric Burden, everybody.
Speaker 5: In fact, he was the guy that told Jimmy Hendrix
Speaker 5: to set fire to his guitar at Monterey Pop. So
Speaker 5: he said to me, I'm three days into the job.
Speaker 5: He said, Alan, I want you to take the press
Speaker 5: up to meet the Who at Wembley tonight, and I'm thinking, okay.
Speaker 5: He gave me a list of names and they're all
Speaker 5: the big critics at the time, David Wig from the
Speaker 5: Daily Express and John Colstrey. In fact, in those days,
Speaker 5: critics were really like critics. One of them even had
Speaker 5: a monocle, if I remember correctly. So I didn't know
Speaker 5: how you did this. So I just sat, it's like
Speaker 5: going to a gig with my mates. I'll call them
Speaker 5: all up and tell them to meet me at Oxford
Speaker 5: Circus at six o'clock. I didn't know that in those
Speaker 5: days you were supposed to lay on a limousine and
Speaker 5: champagne or a private helicopter or something like that. This
Speaker 5: is the seventies. So anyway, I tell them all to
Speaker 5: meet me at Oxford Circus. We get on the tube.
Speaker 5: Everyone's crushed like sardoines. I could see they're uncomfortable. We
Speaker 5: get to Wembley, doors open and they literally fall on
Speaker 5: the platform, squeezed up, and everyone's very irritated. I thought,
Speaker 5: oh my god, I've got to save this trip. So
Speaker 5: I said, look, i'll tell you what I promise you
Speaker 5: all we'll get. I'll get you exclusive interviews with the who.
Speaker 5: Don't worry. And of course in those days there no
Speaker 5: social media, there were no mobile phones, so I was
Speaker 5: just having to make this up on the spot, no
Speaker 5: I could know if it would happen. So we get
Speaker 5: to Wembley. We weave our way through the labyrinth of corridors,
Speaker 5: get to the Who's dressing room and I feel these
Speaker 5: sort of ten pairs of eyes boring in my back.
Speaker 5: So I knock on the door and it opens. I said, hello,
Speaker 5: I'm Alan Edwards a the PR office, and someone just
Speaker 5: looks at me and says, why don't you f off?
Speaker 5: Then slammed the door in my face. And I'm standing
Speaker 5: there and I'm thinking, well, I've got to do it
Speaker 5: again because I can feel these critics and glaring at me.
Speaker 1: So I tap on the door.
Speaker 5: Well, I knock on the door again. The door opens.
Speaker 5: I said, I'm Alan Edwards and the PR office the
Speaker 5: same voice as I've told you before, why don't you
Speaker 5: just f off? And as I look up, I see
Speaker 5: Keith Moon Goes flying through the air in the middle
Speaker 5: of a punch up. And I get home that night
Speaker 5: and I thought I can't do this job. It's too hard.
Speaker 5: And here I am half a century late and still
Speaker 5: working with a WHO lighted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank god you did, man, because again some of
Speaker 2: the stories and might have been an interview where you
Speaker 2: were talking about the book, but I love how you
Speaker 2: talk about a couple of the artists you've worked so
Speaker 2: intimately with the Mick Jagger and David Bowie.
Speaker 1: David Bowie, of course it's such.
Speaker 2: A spine both business and spiritual and social for you
Speaker 2: in the book and in your life story. But you
Speaker 2: talk about the difference between them talking to the press
Speaker 2: that say, for Bowie he was about the art of conversation.
Speaker 2: Jagger was the business of conversation.
Speaker 1: What's the difference.
Speaker 5: Well, they were both incredibly good communicators, and with Mick
Speaker 5: he took meticulous detail when he was doing an interview,
Speaker 5: wanted a doss here in beforehand. He wanted to know
Speaker 5: the last three articles that Jonas had written, what they'd done,
Speaker 5: and he was very much by the time I was
Speaker 5: working within nineteen eighty two, they were going in the
Speaker 5: big Stadium tour, so it was about selling one hundred
Speaker 5: thousand tickets tonight, so Mick really wanted to make sure
Speaker 5: everything was covered off the radio, TV.
Speaker 1: Press, etc.
Speaker 5: And Mick had been to London School of Economics. I
Speaker 5: think he had a great understanding of business and he
Speaker 5: was effectively the manager of the group in some ways.
Speaker 5: At that time. David just loved conversation, he loved journalism,
Speaker 5: he loved writers. In fact, a lot of our relationship
Speaker 5: was sort of almost built on books. He was always
Speaker 5: giving me books. I'd give him books. I remember doing
Speaker 5: that going around Australia with him. So he loved and
Speaker 5: he became friends with a lot of the writers. He'd
Speaker 5: often call them up and say, someone like Tony Parsons,
Speaker 5: famous writer and now author. He'd call me up and say, oh,
Speaker 5: that David Bowie on the phone last night, called up
Speaker 5: for a chat. So they both had the same They
Speaker 5: were in some ways remarkably similar, and both incredibly hard
Speaker 5: working and focused, very charming to be with, and two
Speaker 5: of the greatest rock and roll stars we'll ever see.
Speaker 2: Buddy Oath, Now, let's deal with some of the news
Speaker 2: around today. Have you heard anything is o Is this
Speaker 2: getting back together or are we falling for some sort
Speaker 2: of a pr hook here?
Speaker 5: Well, I had to say definitely, maybe abuse. I think
Speaker 5: it's very telling that there's been no denial issued. I
Speaker 5: mean the stories a bit sounded have got a feel
Speaker 5: of authority about them.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: Sometimes an act will let that run because it builds
Speaker 5: up the interest and it hypes up the money and
Speaker 5: the offers get better. But this has the feeling you know,
Speaker 5: it's going to be very hard to put the genie
Speaker 5: back in the bottle. Although rock stars, like everyone else
Speaker 5: now in Australia, they do have the right to disconnect,
Speaker 5: so you never know.
Speaker 2: Ah good Man, he was listening before allan sensational book.
Speaker 1: I could talk to you all night.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for the podcast version and all the
Speaker 2: stories when that's right for you.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, that's the book I was there.
Speaker 2: Bye bye bye this Father's Day Alan, Thank you mate so.
Speaker 5: Much, Paul, and hopefully see you down there sooner.
Speaker 2: Or later, Bloody Oath. All right, that's our show tonight.
Speaker 2: We look forward to the late debate rock it on
Speaker 2: right now,