1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Rule, but this is not really Life and 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Crimes because recently, listeners, I've been doing a bit of moonlighting. 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: I haven't been completely faithful to crime. I've been working 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: here and there on the documentary film about the race 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: horse called Winks. In fact, the documentary feature is called 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: a horse named Winks. And it so happens that because 7 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: I wrote a book about Winks, I was approached by 8 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: a filmmaker called Jeanine Hoskin two or three years ago 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: who asked me if I could lend them a hand, 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: and I agreed to. And today my producer and friend 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: and interlocutor, mister John Burton is going to ask me 12 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: some questions about how we made a film about a 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: race horse. 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: Hello John, Hello Andrew. 15 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: Hello listeners. Let's start at the very beginning, because I 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: have to admit that side of our sessions here I 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 3: don't really follow or keep up with the goings on 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: of the turf. So if you could perhaps remind our 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: listeners of the story of Winks. 20 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: Well, there she was folding twenty eleven. She was sold 21 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: for a relatively modest two hundred and thirty thousand dollars 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: at the Magic Million Sales on the Gold Coast in 23 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen is a yeeling. She was bought by a 24 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: consortium of pretty wealthy people, three different owners or groups 25 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: of owners, two married couples, and a lovely old man 26 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: called Richard Treweek, an old widower who's since left us. 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: In fact, this film has been dedicated to his memory. 28 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: And he's the man, Richard Treweek, who named Winks Winks 29 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: for reasons listeners that we won't go into here, but 30 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: which he expands on in the film, which is a 31 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,639 Speaker 1: very funny moment, I have to say, because his fellow 32 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: owners are not sure what he's going to say. Anyway, 33 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: Winks was a reasonably undistinguished yeeling. She was tall, she 34 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: was leggy, she was quiet. She's a bay. A bay 35 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: is like a reddish brown color with dark points, dark legs, 36 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: and dark man and tail about. You know, seventy percent 37 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: of thoroughbreds pretty well that color or roughly that brown 38 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: or bay, and so she wouldn't really stand out in 39 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: any gathering of thoroughbred horses anywhere. But she's breedy looking 40 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 1: and she's reasonably tall as a yeeling. She was fairly light. 41 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:42,119 Speaker 1: She wasn't heavily built, but she was always athletic looking well, 42 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: she got broken in and the nice man that broke 43 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: her in the first one to ride it was an 44 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: Indian guy called Amir. 45 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: Who has worked all over the world. 46 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: I think he's great grandfather worked for the Aga Khan, 47 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: very interesting Indian horse family. He was the first man 48 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: ever to ride Winks, a point he makes in the film. 49 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: Very funny guy. And I asked him. I said me, now, 50 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: you've handled several horses that fortnight or that month. Which 51 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: ones did you really like? And he said, well, actually 52 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: I liked the chestnut one better. I thought it was 53 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: more sparky than the one that became Winks. But of 54 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: course the chestnut one went to Queensland and won two 55 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: races or something, and the other one that he quite 56 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: liked went somewhere else and won one race or whatever, 57 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: and Winks, the one he wasn't mad about, she became Winks. 58 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: So it just shows you that over and over that 59 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: horses race horses are a complete genetic raffle, and that 60 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: Winks there was nothing to show that she had the 61 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: championship qualities that indeed she did have. 62 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: I remember we did an episode a long time ago, 63 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: but listeners can still find. It was called The Winning 64 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: Ways of Winks when I believe when your book was 65 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: coming out, Oh, probably, and your interviewer at the time, 66 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: a fine journalist, Chris Fernuccio. At the time, I think 67 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 3: Winks was still running round or had just run its 68 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: last race. Yes, true, and you had your manuscripts ready 69 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: to go and were sort of hoping that all was 70 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 3: going to work out. Fine. 71 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: I think you're right there. It got a bit tense 72 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: there for a while, and the people in the publishing 73 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: industry were very believed when she won third Coxplate because 74 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: we'd already embarked on the book, and then massively relieved 75 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: when she won her fourth Coxplate in four consecutive Coxplate's 76 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: never been done before. I am here to say probably 77 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: won't ever be done again. Probably very few horses are 78 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: going to be able to maintain that level of ability 79 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: and soundness. There will be perhaps or sometime that is 80 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: as fast as Winks over two thousand meters, but you know, 81 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: to find one that can stay so doun and fit 82 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: for four different years is just one in a million shot. 83 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: So what was the record in the end? 84 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: Well, Winks started out by winning three races as a 85 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: two year old when she was very immature, skinny, not 86 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: really filled out. She was the equivalent of sixteen year 87 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: old netballer who hasn't finished growing yet. 88 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: That's what she was like. 89 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: But she had so much ability that she won her 90 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: first three two year old races. Then she ran into 91 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: a thing called first Seal, and first Seal was as 92 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: happens with horses and people and every sort of mammal. 93 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: First Seal was more mature. She was just she was 94 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: bigger and stronger, and horses are a bit like that. 95 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: Some grow faster than others and they've got an advantage 96 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: over the rest for a little while. We've all seen 97 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: it at school, where the strong guy in year nine 98 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: by year twelve is just a little guy. And First 99 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: Seal flogged Winks several times in that two year old 100 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: and early three year old season. Then Winks started to 101 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: grow and fill out and get stronger, and Winks once 102 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: she hit her straps, she was great and the first 103 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: win of what we call the streak. Now I'm calling 104 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: Winks the freak with the streak because she had a 105 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: winning streak of thirty three races that began in Queensland 106 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: in early in the autumn of twenty fifteen at the 107 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: Gold Coast, and she started in a race there. She 108 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: was well in the betting. I think she might have 109 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: been favorite, but she came out of the boxes fairly slowly. 110 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: She's drawn pretty wide, she's had to go right around 111 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: the field, and she's running at the back of the field. 112 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: I think she was running last. And the rest of 113 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: the field starting to string out towards the finish, and 114 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: the caller is calling the leading group very tently and saying, 115 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,559 Speaker 1: you know, this one's leading, and someone says running second, 116 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: and he didn't even notice because he's looking at the 117 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: leading group. He didn't notice this thing with the jockey 118 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: wearing the blue colors going around the outside, right around 119 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: the field, right around the pack, as fast as a 120 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: dog rounding up a mob of sheep. 121 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: That's what it looked like. It looked like a kelpie. 122 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: Rounding up sheep. Winks went past them so fast they 123 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: nearly got windburn. And the caller, bless his heart, didn't 124 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: see her until she swept into his vision. As he's 125 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: watching the leaders. Suddenly Winks goes past his binoculars and 126 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: he goes, oh, and here's Winks from the clouds or whatever, 127 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 1: you know, And it was a spectacular win. Two hundred 128 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: meters out you would have said she couldn't win, and 129 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: then at one point fifty meters you knew she was 130 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: going to mow them down. Now, that day she was 131 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: ridden by the veteran jockey Larry Cassidy. Larry rode champions 132 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: like Sunline. He rode other champions. I think he rode 133 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: saintly maybe once, but he certainly rode the best horses 134 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: in the past. And on his way home from the 135 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: races that day, after this relatively minor race at the 136 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: Gold Coast, he rings his wife on the car phone, 137 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: as he does jockeys the dangerous lives, and they ring 138 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: home and say, I'm okay, I didn't fall off and whatever, 139 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: and I'm heading home now, you know, do you need 140 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: a pint of milk? 141 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 2: Whatever? And she said, Larry, how was it today? But 142 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: how did you go on? Wings? Oh? Yeah, I want. 143 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: In fact, I think she's the best horse I've ever ridden. 144 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: And there's a bit of a silence because missus Cassidy's 145 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: no fool. And she said, but Larry, you rode Sunlight. 146 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: He said, I think she might be better than Sunline. 147 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: Now this was a massive call, and Larry didn't go 148 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: back on it. Larry repeated this to Hugh Bowman, the 149 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: Sydney jockey, the very fine Sydney jockey who couldn't ride 150 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: Winks in Queensland that day because he had other commitments 151 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: down south in Sydney, which tells you where she was 152 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: in the pecking order. Then Bowman stayed in Sydney to 153 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: ride other horses for Chris Waller and Larry, the local 154 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: Queensland jockey rode, which just shows you where she was 155 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: in the pecking order that is not that high. And 156 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: Bowman rang Larry or Vicessa and said how to go? 157 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: What happened and he repeated it. Larry said, I think 158 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: she's the best I've ever ridden. And Bowman says, but 159 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: you rode Sunline and he says, yeah, I still think 160 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: she's the best I've ever ridden, and she could be 161 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: a champion. And Bowman and he interviewed about this in 162 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: the film. It's a great interview, and he says, well, 163 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: I couldn't really quite believe him, you know, I thought 164 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: it was he said, I thought it was a very 165 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: big call. And Bowman says to himself, well that's a 166 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: big call, but we'll see. So Bowman gets back on 167 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: winks he's ridden her before in a loss or two, 168 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: I think, and he rides in the Queensland Oaks and 169 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: she wins the Queensland Oaks comprehensively, and then she wins 170 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: another couple of races in Sydney which stamped the Oaks form, 171 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: and then at about a fifth start after that, winning 172 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: Queensland that starts the streak. She comes to Melbourne for 173 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: the twenty and fifteen Cox Plate and at that stage 174 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: she was just this horse with Queensland form, trained by 175 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: Chris Waller Young, not well known down here, but obviously 176 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: some respect. But you know, Cox plaits big deal. The 177 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: previous year, the Coxplait had been won by an international 178 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: raider called Adelaide, brought in here by the uber powerful 179 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: racing family, the Magnia family from the Coolmore stud in Ireland, 180 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: which is probably the world's most powerful stud and the 181 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: greatest trainers and all that stuff. And the Magnias had 182 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: flown in a horse called Highland Reel now Highland Real 183 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: had won a group race in Europe, in Ireland or England, 184 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: and he'd flown to America and he'd won a race there. 185 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: Everywhere he'd gone, he'd won races. He was a very good, 186 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: tough international competitor who'd won. 187 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: Everywhere he'd been. Pretty well. 188 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: He's flown into Melbourne, Tom Magnia, he's walking around. 189 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: I saw him. 190 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: He's walking around the bedding ring backing Highland really had 191 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: pocketfuls of money cash. He dropped them on the ground 192 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: and I picked it up and gave it back to him, 193 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: and he said, good of you. I should and he said, 194 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: you'd be very honest. He wasn't used to people giving 195 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: money back to him, and they were quite confident that 196 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: they would win another Cox plate. 197 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: The cool more people. 198 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: But despite that fact, Winks on the basis of track 199 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: work earlier in the Coxplate work the Tuesday morning before Coxplait, 200 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: there is a thing called Breakfast with the Best. I 201 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: think it's called and have a big Cox plate breakfast. 202 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,599 Speaker 1: Horses work one by one or in twos. And I 203 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: saw this thing Winks from Interstate, and thought, my god, 204 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: I like the look of her. I love the way 205 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: she gallops or something. Something caught my eye about her. 206 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: And she was in the betting. It's not as if 207 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: she was an outsider. She might have been a five 208 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: or six dollars shot then, but Highland Reel was favorite. 209 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to say Winks would have been second or 210 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: third in the betting. And I said to my boss 211 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: at that stage, Peter Blunden, whose table I was on, 212 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: I'm going to pack these thing Winks. And the day 213 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: comes four days later, Coxplait day. She goes out and 214 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: she put them to the sword. Now before the Coxplate, 215 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: Chris Waller, her trainer, was interviewed, and he had two 216 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: horses in the coxplity. He had her, and he had 217 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: a I think a cult called Kerma Deck or an 218 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: entire called Kermed Deck, who probably had some ambitions to 219 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: be a a stallion. 220 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 2: At start. 221 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 1: They were probably pretty keen to make him into a 222 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: stallion and to get a Coxplate win. And when while 223 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: I was interviewed before the race, they said, now, which 224 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: of your two horses should win? 225 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 2: Do you think? 226 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: And he said, oh, Kerma Deck. So point being, Winks 227 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: was by no means a shoe in, and not even 228 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: her own stable thought she would necessarily win the Coxplate. 229 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: She just killed them. 230 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: Now Bowman rode a good race. She did get a 231 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: bit of luck in running. She saved ground she was 232 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: on the fence. Later on in her career she never 233 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: did that day, went wide to stay out of trouble 234 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: on her. But this time she was pretty well on 235 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: the fence or close to the fence, and there's two 236 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: or three horses in front of her, and of course 237 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: you've got to get through that wall of rumps, that 238 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: wall of bums, as they say, or else she can't 239 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: get you run up the straight, very short straight at 240 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: Mooney Valley, smallest Group one racecourse in the world. I 241 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: think it's a tiny racecourse with a very short straight. 242 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: It's smaller than hanging rock or something, so very important 243 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: to be able to get out and get some running room. 244 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: And what happened was he was tracking that great Tasmanian 245 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: cult horse called the Cleaner, and suddenly the Cleaner shied 246 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: away from the fence. He shied away as if he 247 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: saw a snake or something. He just went sideways and 248 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: opened up this massive gap, and Winks just grabbed the 249 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: bit and went straight through the gap. She went through 250 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: it again like a kelpie going past sheep, and she 251 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: speared through and she she got five lengths on the others, 252 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: and she won it so easily and by a big 253 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: margin and in very good time, very good time, and 254 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: that was what set her up. I mean it was her. 255 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: It might have been a fifth straight win. I'm trying 256 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: to think. 257 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: Fourth or fifth, but that really set her up as 258 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: something to watch. 259 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: The parting of the horses, the parting of the horses, 260 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: it was like the Red Sea, and that day it 261 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: was great to see. You know, people say to you, 262 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: what's her best wins? Well, there's a lot to choose from, 263 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: and most of them are good and some of them 264 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: are extra good. But that was the day I think 265 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: she really stamped herself as champion material to win it twice, 266 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: as she did. She won the following year after a 267 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: secret bone ship operation which was not known at the time, 268 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: little bone ship, but they operated on her and they 269 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: had to get it all recuperated and then get her 270 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: up for her Grand Final. That is a second Coxpade, 271 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: which she won and I think set a track or 272 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: race record which she subsequently broke herself. And third year 273 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: she comes back and that was probably her greatest win 274 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: because he took a very wide route around the field 275 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: and wasted plenty of ground because he wanted to keep 276 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: her out of trouble. And that meant that a horse 277 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: trained by Darren Weir, a horse called Humidoor ridden by 278 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: Blake Shin, was able to save ground, save ground, saveground, 279 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: come up the inside and then pull out and try 280 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: and sneak the race, sneak past her and get up, 281 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: didn't get past her, got to her girth, got right 282 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: up near her shoulder and gave everybody a fright except 283 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: I think Hugh Bowman. I think Hugh Bowman was confident 284 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: that the other horse could not get past her. He's 285 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: got so much faith in Winks just producing that extra 286 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: bit when it's needed, because in the end, I don't 287 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: think she ever failed to produce extra when she had to. 288 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: She was a freak in that respect. She could always 289 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: find the extra yard when she had to. She never 290 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: failed as a mature horse from four years on, never 291 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: failed to find that extra few meters when she needed to. 292 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 3: And that bone ship. I'd heard that story before, and 293 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 3: did that come out in your most excellent book? Was 294 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 3: that what was first published? 295 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: It was in the book, and it's covered very nicely 296 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: in the film. That bit because the film risks, of course, 297 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: being a mash up of her wins. You know, ad 298 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: music lots of winds, you know, good sports stuff. But 299 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: the filmmaker, johnyne Hosking, is a professional, classy, expert filmmaker. 300 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: She's not a horse person, she's not a sportsperson. She's 301 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: just a good filmmaker. And I was able to translate 302 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: the horse world for her a bit and to put 303 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: her in touch with the right people and to organize her. 304 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: But she made the film, and she shot the film, 305 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: and she did all that film stuff, and I was 306 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: able to just sort of assist and to do some 307 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: narration and to write some script for narration, and that 308 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: helped get her over the line. But it's her film, 309 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: not mine, to be totally honest and fair, and she's 310 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: done a great job because she's found two things that 311 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: were obstacles in Winks's rise and Rise and Rise, and 312 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: one was the bonship, but the other one comes after. 313 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: It's the fight after the fight, and that is Winks. 314 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: She wins her fourth coxplate, record breaking no one's ever 315 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: won four coxplaits. She wins it in two thousand eighteen. 316 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: The owners, the trainer, they go. 317 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 2: What do we do? Should we biscuit? Should we go 318 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: over sous? 319 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: And in the end, I think vetts looked at her 320 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: and they did X rays and they checked her all 321 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: over and she was perfect. She was like brand new. 322 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: She very very tough and sound. And Chris Waller said, well, 323 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: there's no reason why she can't have one more preparation, 324 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: one more autumn. That would give her four springs and 325 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: four autumns. These are eight preparations against the best horses 326 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: in Australasia and some inputs, right. 327 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 2: And so that's what they did. 328 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: They brought her back after her fourth Coxplate win when 329 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: she had really nothing left to prove except to show 330 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: that she could still do it, and they brought her 331 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: back from the paddock and then got to fit again 332 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: in for the Autumn Carnival and she went a clean 333 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: sweep in Sydney of another I'm going to say another 334 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: four wins, culminating that autumn in the Queen Elizabeth Stakes, 335 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: which was her swan song. 336 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 2: That was it. 337 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: It was the final race and as we all know, 338 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: she won it. It was marvelous to see her triumphant 339 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: exit ranks in my mind with the greatest Australian sporting 340 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: events of my lifetime now in my head, they are 341 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: Milina Rose winning the World bantamweight title from fighting a 342 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: rada at You know, he was ten to one against 343 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: He was a kid. 344 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: From rural Victoria, from Druan. 345 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: He was nineteen. He goes to Japan to fight an 346 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: absolute tough champion, a guy that was probably eight or 347 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: ten years older, who was the real deal. And he 348 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to He only got the fight at the 349 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: last minute because somebody else pulled out and they thought 350 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: this kid'll do and he went up there and beat 351 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: him and it was wonderful. I can remember it clearly. 352 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: I was about eleven and Lionel Rose was greeted much 353 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: like the Beatles were when they arrived in Australia. There 354 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: was something like two hundred and fifty thousand people lining 355 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: the streets of Melbourne to cheer him. I mean it 356 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: was mind blowing. That was a big one. Shane Gould 357 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: the female swimmer. She was a schoolgirl when she swam 358 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: in the Munich Olympics and won a swag of medals. 359 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: I think she won three golds in the silver. She 360 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: was fifteen or something. There was David Hooks, the late 361 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: great David Hooks, who scored did he do five boundaries 362 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: in the last five balls of the Big Test against 363 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: England and was wonderful exhibition by basically a boy. 364 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: He was just a kid. 365 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: It had just been elevated to the Test side and 366 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: he just brained it. And Winks. I think Winks fits 367 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: into that suite of memories of great Australian sporting events, 368 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: not the least of which, of course, Wasathy Freeman in 369 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: the year two thousand winning at the Sydney Games when 370 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: she won in the green suit. That was a standout 371 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: thing that you would never forget. And each of those 372 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: stories are so unlikely and so wonderful that any of 373 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: them could sort of throw up an idea for a 374 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: film in a way. In fact, I did actually work 375 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: with some guys doing a Lionel Rose book which was 376 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: based on their mini series called Rose Against the Odds. 377 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: You know, it did throw up something. And I'm sure 378 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of stuff done on Kathy Freeman, 379 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: not so much on Shane Gould. I think she was 380 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: very shy. But Winks is a valid subject for film. 381 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: But the thing about racing and boxing is they are 382 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: so inherently dramatic and so well done by the people 383 00:22:54,640 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: and the horses that do it that you cannot hope 384 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: to be as good as the real thing. If you 385 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: are using actors and stunt men and all the rest 386 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: of it, nothing is as good as those who are 387 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: the pros, the professional boxes, professional jockeys and race horses. 388 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: And so if you want to make a film about Winks, 389 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: don't go off looking for stand ins and looking for actors. 390 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: You've got to make a feature documentary. And that is 391 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: what Janine Hosking has done. She's pulled together the real footage, 392 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: the way that that fine filmmaker did with Edon Center 393 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: the Formula one driver, and with Amy Winehouse, the late 394 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: Amy Winehouse, the singer. To take all that real footage 395 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: of actual events and all the interviews that have been 396 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: done in the past and weave them together into a 397 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: potent story that is better than some of its parts. 398 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: That is what Janine Hosking has done with the Winks story. 399 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: She's pulled together all these elements. She's done really searching 400 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: interviews with the main players, Chris Waller, the trainer, Hugh Bowman, 401 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: the jockey, the owners and others, and she's woven it 402 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: all together into a tapestry that is really good. It's 403 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: a really strong biopic Some people cry when they see 404 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: bits of it. Some people cheer when they see bits 405 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: of it. It really is quite moving. There's a trajectory 406 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: to it. The stories I've told today are part of it, 407 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: and that is, you know, will they beat the bone chip? 408 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 409 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:35,239 Speaker 2: They did. 410 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: And the other one is how close she came to death. 411 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: What the public didn't know in the year twenty twenty 412 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: was how close Winks came to death. She had a 413 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: stillborn fole. Her first file was stillborn, and that led 414 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: to a complicated birth, and that led to her developing 415 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: a form of colic. Horses often die of colic. Gutty 416 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: is very complex and long, and it's easily upset, and 417 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: they can get a twisted bowl on all sorts of 418 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: different things and it can kill them. And she got 419 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: this complicated collage and it's often fatal. And they operated 420 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: once and it didn't work or didn't take and it 421 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: was so serious that Tom Magnia, the guy I mentioned 422 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: before who dropped the money on the floor, he runs 423 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: Coolmore startup in the Hunter Valley. So it's funny how 424 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: the enemy is now the friend. Tom magniare rings the 425 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: owners of Winks and said you better come down tonight. 426 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: We don't think she's going to make it. And you 427 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: could hear a pin drop in the film when he 428 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: says this. It's really grueling, and the owners all gather 429 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: thinking this is it. Anyway, they operated again, this great 430 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: team of vets at the Scone Equine Hospital and they 431 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: all touched Wooden, cross their fingers and said their prayers 432 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: backwards and she survived. Now she had the equivalent of 433 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: five months in hospital. She was five months in probably 434 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: a loose box not much bigger than this room than 435 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: this studio, to stop her from moving around too much. 436 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 3: So it's about three by three mad something like that. 437 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: As she got better, they would lead her and all that, 438 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: but they like compulsory bedrest. And she had a big 439 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: bandage around her belly, massive bandage. Anyway, the day came 440 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: when they took the bandage off and Tom Magney, the 441 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: same guy, a great Irish voice. In an interview, he said, 442 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: we knew, you know, she had the will to win, 443 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: but she also had the will to live. Beautiful and 444 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: it's just perfect. And that's one of the last scenes 445 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: in the film, is that. But that's not the last thing. 446 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: I'll leave that for people who want to go and 447 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: it's a really good film. Jeanine Husking has done a 448 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: lovely job. I'm relieved that you know that we're able 449 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: to get away with it so well, and that it's 450 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: come up better than I expected it would, and I 451 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: thoroughly endorse it. I think it's a good way to 452 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: spend tight ass Tuesday somewhere. It opens in ninety cinemas 453 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: around Australia in early September. 454 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 3: Fabulous and you are the narrator Greek chorus. 455 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: I am a narrator and I wrote script, which most 456 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: of which I deliver myself. 457 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 3: So in cinemas probably by the time this goes to. 458 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: Where by the time this goes to where it will 459 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: be opening all around the place and thousands of Australians 460 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: will be flocking to enjoy it. 461 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: I hope. Thank you, John, Thank you Andrew. 462 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. 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