WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 12 June

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<v Speaker 1>On scorn leads Ostrodia. This is the Wider Panalkey Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening, and welcome to the Rita Paney Show. Coming

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<v Speaker 2>up tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>The ORCA still in disarray as the.

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister prepares to meet with President Trump. Ni Kata

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<v Speaker 2>will be here to cover the day's top headlines. Boxing

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<v Speaker 2>legend Jeff Beennick loses it when an elaborate prank almost

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<v Speaker 2>goes wrong. The Great Josh Hammer will have the latest

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<v Speaker 2>from the US, including Kim Kardashin coming out in support

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<v Speaker 2>of illegal immigrants and copying a swift fact check from

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<v Speaker 2>Homeland Security. And later in the hour, I'll speak to

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<v Speaker 2>an international security professor on why these riots could be

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<v Speaker 2>considered domestic terrorism and left He's losing It shows that

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<v Speaker 2>stupid questions deserve brutal answers.

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<v Speaker 4>So if there were peaceful protests on Saturday for the

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<v Speaker 4>Jelatine parade, President Trump.

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<v Speaker 5>Would allow that.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, the President supports peaceful protest. What a stupid question,

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<v Speaker 6>rickw thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's bring in Mensis Research Center Senior fellow Nick Cata.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick.

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<v Speaker 2>The ABC has followed Channel ten this week in acting

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<v Speaker 2>its flagship.

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<v Speaker 3>Current affairs talk show Q and A.

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<v Speaker 2>The Public Broadcaster today announced that the program will not

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<v Speaker 2>be returning to screens after eighteen years on air.

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<v Speaker 3>May mean around forty job.

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<v Speaker 2>Losses, and this is just days after Tends the project

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<v Speaker 2>met a similar fate. Nick, that's two lefty talkfests gone

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<v Speaker 2>in a week. And we've also seen the ABC get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of the drum back in twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there any.

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<v Speaker 2>Danger the Public Broadcaster may actually produce a current affairs

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<v Speaker 2>program that is not a lefty echo chamber that has

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe a conservative host or some conservative producers.

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<v Speaker 1>Not whatsoever REATA.

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<v Speaker 7>And of course the fact that they do pack the

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<v Speaker 7>channel with lefties actually become self reinforcing after a while,

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<v Speaker 7>because people like me decide I did some years ago,

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<v Speaker 7>that it really wasn't worth my time going and playing

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<v Speaker 7>second fiddle to a transgender climate activist.

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<v Speaker 1>In front of an audience that hates you, just to.

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<v Speaker 7>Be rewarded with some warm beer and cold pizza in

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<v Speaker 7>the green room, No thank you, So I won't miss it.

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<v Speaker 7>I noticed that my friend Greg Sheridan wrote a very

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<v Speaker 7>nostalgic piece about how he's going to miss the show,

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<v Speaker 7>But then he was always much more tolerant and dealing

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<v Speaker 7>with these mad people than I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, their idea of diverse views or being unbiased

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<v Speaker 2>is to have a token conservative on a big panel

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<v Speaker 2>who becomes the punching bag for the night, who the

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<v Speaker 2>other guests, the host, the audience can all kick around.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's their idea of balance. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a massive broadcast receives more than a billion dollars of

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<v Speaker 2>our tax money every single year.

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<v Speaker 3>You know the ABC.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how many conservative center right hosts would they have

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<v Speaker 2>across the whole network? We're talking TV, radio, their online publications?

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<v Speaker 3>How many do you know of?

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think I know of any confirmed out and

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<v Speaker 7>out out and proud, loud and proud conservatives on the abs.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of the cause.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wouldn't say, let me.

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<v Speaker 7>Just I will just say there are a number of

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<v Speaker 7>people who whose journalism I respect, But none of them

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<v Speaker 7>you'd really think were liberal voters.

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<v Speaker 2>Now to Victoria police rejecting State Corogner John Kayne's recommendation

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<v Speaker 2>to lead domestic violence victims when their ex partners are

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<v Speaker 2>released from jail, saying the force does not have the

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<v Speaker 2>resources to do so. Victoria police also say that many

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<v Speaker 2>victims would have changed their numbers or be screening their

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<v Speaker 2>calls now. This proposal from the coroner came after forty

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<v Speaker 2>nine year old Norlee Dalzell's abusive ex partner, James Fairhall,

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<v Speaker 2>stabbed her to death in front of their three children

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<v Speaker 2>inside her Seaford home in twenty twenty after.

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<v Speaker 3>He was released from jail.

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<v Speaker 2>Miss Dalzell's family say that if an alert system had

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<v Speaker 2>been in place, she might still be alive today.

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<v Speaker 3>Nick, this is all happening while Victoria Police.

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<v Speaker 2>All has all sorts of staffing issues. They are about

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<v Speaker 2>eleven hundred officers down. They're expecting to lose more offices

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the year. Morale is said to

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<v Speaker 2>be low. But really, this is a proposal that should

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<v Speaker 2>be in place. It's just a practical measure that will

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<v Speaker 2>allow women to take extra precautions for their own safety.

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<v Speaker 7>How underdresourced do you have to be not to be

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<v Speaker 7>able to make a five minute phone call to a

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<v Speaker 7>victim of domestic violence? So I don't get it reached.

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<v Speaker 7>And because over the years the Victorian government has boasted

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<v Speaker 7>about the amount of money that it's dedicated to fighting

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<v Speaker 7>domestic violence, the police have gone as I understand it

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<v Speaker 7>a dedicated unit to do just that.

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<v Speaker 1>So why aren't they actually.

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<v Speaker 7>Fighting domestic violence instead of going around I guess with

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<v Speaker 7>propaganda classes for police and everybody else telling them that

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<v Speaker 7>all men are bad people. You know, it's just the

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<v Speaker 7>action does not meet the rhetoric as usual with this government.

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<v Speaker 2>It is just so disappointing because this seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>a really practical measure that could help save women, at

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<v Speaker 2>least giving them the awareness to be extra careful, perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>just take extra precautions they otherwise would not take. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about Gosford Hospital on the New South Wales

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<v Speaker 2>central coast. They have been criticized for their confusing and

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous emergency department signs. The hospital has put up signs

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<v Speaker 2>using Aboriginal words to show where its emergency department and

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<v Speaker 2>resuscitation base are located. Alongside their English translations. They're using

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<v Speaker 2>terms like sick, k even bring back, and then they've

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<v Speaker 2>got the English signs underneath that. Let's have a look

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<v Speaker 2>at ben Fordham's report on this.

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<v Speaker 8>An ambulance paramedic is raising concerns about confusing Indigenous signs

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<v Speaker 8>in hospitals. For example, one sign says bagel barrong. What

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<v Speaker 8>does bageal barrong mean? It means sick cave. What does

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<v Speaker 8>sick cave mean? It means emergency department. Imagine if you're

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<v Speaker 8>a busy ambo looking for the ED, there's another sign

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<v Speaker 8>that says mana gulloring bulga, which means bring back, and

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<v Speaker 8>bring back means resuscitation bays. Why can't we just call

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<v Speaker 8>them resuscitation bays and the emergency department?

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<v Speaker 3>Nick?

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<v Speaker 2>This stuff is just getting more absurd bring back. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're an ambulance officer or a parent in a panic, really,

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<v Speaker 2>do you need to have three different signs, two of

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<v Speaker 2>them which are nonsensical to you?

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<v Speaker 7>I've done the mass on this ron rito. And there

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<v Speaker 7>are seventeen thousand Ooriginal people on the New South Wales

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<v Speaker 7>central coast. The proportion nationally that speak an indigenous language

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<v Speaker 7>is less than ten percent. So let's say that's seventeen

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<v Speaker 7>hundred people who speak an indigenous language, and of course

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<v Speaker 7>there's one hundred and fifty indigenous languages. But just just

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<v Speaker 7>pretend for a moment that let's just pretend for a

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<v Speaker 7>moment that they all have to speak this particular indigenous language.

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<v Speaker 7>That'ser point, not three percent of the Gosford population who

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<v Speaker 7>might potentially benefit from this, whose rights might be protected,

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<v Speaker 7>as opposed to half a million others who risk their

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<v Speaker 7>rights they don't no longer have the right that We

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<v Speaker 7>certainly are not blundering into an operating theater in the

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<v Speaker 7>middle of an operation thinking it's to gentlemen's toilet.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is just bar me. It's bar me,

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<v Speaker 1>really reta and the only.

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<v Speaker 3>Way it is.

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<v Speaker 2>You said, there's more than one hundred and fifty languages.

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<v Speaker 2>There are also many more dialects. So the actual number

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<v Speaker 2>of people who would be able to have any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of benefit from those signs is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the whole thing is just beyond But this

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<v Speaker 2>is what happens when the bureaucracy is captured by the

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<v Speaker 2>activist class. They just keep pushing this agenda and pushing

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<v Speaker 2>it until people call it out. Meanwhile, we've got another

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<v Speaker 2>embryo mix up by Minash IVF just within two months.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had multiple cases and that's prompted calls for more

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<v Speaker 2>regulation and IVF campaigners have also suggested that children born

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<v Speaker 2>through assisted reproduction should be subjected to DNA testing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to make a lot of parents who've used

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<v Speaker 2>IVF very nervous nick to suggest that their kids should

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<v Speaker 2>be DNA tested to make sure there hasn't been some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a bungle. I don't know if you'd even

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<v Speaker 2>want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's horrible, thoughts.

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<v Speaker 7>Isn't it that there would be routine DNA testing to

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<v Speaker 7>prove that point. Surely these companies that conduct it should

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<v Speaker 7>can put in place what I assume would be pretty

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<v Speaker 7>simple but rigorous processes to make sure this sort of

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<v Speaker 7>nonsense doesn't happen. I'm not a big fan of regulation,

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<v Speaker 7>as you know RETA. Normally I argue for removing regulation,

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<v Speaker 7>not putting it in place. But in this case, I

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<v Speaker 7>think this does need to be a very heavily regulated

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<v Speaker 7>process because of the sensitivities involved.

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<v Speaker 3>Now let's get the latest on orcas.

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<v Speaker 2>The Pentagon has ordered a review into the program to

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<v Speaker 2>see how it advances the Trump Administration's America First agenda.

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<v Speaker 2>The review will reportedly be led by longtime ORCUS skeptic

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<v Speaker 2>L Breach Colby and comes days after US Defense Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Hegseeth called on Australia to lift its defense spending

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<v Speaker 2>to three point five percent of GDP something their Prime

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<v Speaker 2>minister has straight out refused to entertain. Now, former Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister and ORCUS hater Malcolm Turnbull had this to say

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<v Speaker 2>on X. He wrote, the UK is conducting a review

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<v Speaker 2>of aucers, the usdod is conducting a review of workers,

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<v Speaker 2>but Australia, which has the most at stake, has no review.

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<v Speaker 2>Our parliament to date has been the least curious and

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<v Speaker 2>least informed. Time to wake up. He also said there

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<v Speaker 2>is literally a denial of reality in Canberra. I have

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<v Speaker 2>sat with senior officials in our Defense establishment and said

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<v Speaker 2>to them, what is your plan if we don't get

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<v Speaker 2>any Virginia class submarines from the US. They have looked

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<v Speaker 2>back at me and said we will get the submarines.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like saying I'm going to have a party

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<v Speaker 2>in the garden on Sunday and you say to me,

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<v Speaker 2>what will you do if it rains? And I look

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<v Speaker 2>back at you and say it won't rain. We do

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<v Speaker 2>love a Malcolm Turnbull analogy on this program, NICKA, Now

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<v Speaker 2>have it out, ben easy.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got a lot on.

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<v Speaker 2>His plate in anticipation for this meeting with the US president.

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<v Speaker 2>If he does get that meeting, there's ucas there's the

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<v Speaker 2>trade deal, there's all sorts of talk around China.

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<v Speaker 3>But the question has to be asked, Nick, why would.

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<v Speaker 2>The US agree to be our policeman, to be our

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<v Speaker 2>protector in the region if we can't even commit to

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<v Speaker 2>increasing spending on our own defense like so many other

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<v Speaker 2>allies have.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, for once, I think I'll agree with Malcolm Turnbul

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<v Speaker 7>on this, that defense has been just walking along blindly

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<v Speaker 7>pretending everything's going to turn out right instead of actually

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<v Speaker 7>looking at this closely. And so's el but easy for

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<v Speaker 7>that matter, you know how quick he was to sort

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<v Speaker 7>of aily dismiss the suggestions we should go to three

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<v Speaker 7>percent defense spending. And guess what, Malcolm Turnbull, for once

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<v Speaker 7>is also on the same side as the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 1>Who would have thought it? But basically, you know, basically

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<v Speaker 1>we must.

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<v Speaker 7>This shows that a three percent minimum three percent defense spending,

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<v Speaker 7>in my view, is an imperative, not a nice to have.

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<v Speaker 7>And with that money we can actually pay the US

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<v Speaker 7>for their side, which presumably will be built in the US,

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<v Speaker 7>which is where they want things to happen, so it

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<v Speaker 7>will be a win win for the United States. And

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<v Speaker 7>of course, whatever their horizons with their defense policy, it

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<v Speaker 7>will help the United States enormously to know that this

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<v Speaker 7>region can be protected from bad actors.

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<v Speaker 2>And Donald Trump and Jigping have reached a new trade deal.

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<v Speaker 2>The US will allow Chinese students into its colleges and

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<v Speaker 2>universities in exchange for Beijing removing export restrictions on rare

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<v Speaker 2>earths and magnets.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick.

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<v Speaker 3>Things are progressing, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think as the Trump administration would like in this area.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean, I guess we always held out the

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<v Speaker 7>hope that these tariff threats were much more a bargaining

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<v Speaker 7>tool to get other countries to come to the table

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<v Speaker 7>on other things, rather than a serious economic measure to

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<v Speaker 7>increase the national wealthall or whatever, because I really don't

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<v Speaker 7>think that economic fundamentals allow that if you put tariffs

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<v Speaker 7>on then you inevitably increase prices. And it's the people

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<v Speaker 7>who are who are who are in the end suffer

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<v Speaker 7>from this, your own, your own consumers. So but yes,

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, well done with this. I'm not sure that

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<v Speaker 7>I would. I still would like a president who perhaps

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<v Speaker 7>was a little bit more accommodating and a bit less unpredictable.

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<v Speaker 7>I suppose Rita. But then I'm old fashioned like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I wouldn't say Donald Trump is terribly predictable, but

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<v Speaker 2>he is all about America first, so that seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be the priority there. Before you go, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>get your take on a video we showed on Left

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<v Speaker 2>is Losing It last night. It continues to make headlines

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<v Speaker 2>and stirred debate, particularly across the US. Let's have a

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<v Speaker 2>look at these white leftist activists mocking a black woman

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<v Speaker 2>who just wants to go to work.

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<v Speaker 4>I could just know here, how is it the people

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<v Speaker 4>protest that there's.

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<v Speaker 5>Not feel about starting a black woman from going to work?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh no, not.

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<v Speaker 8>Care.

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<v Speaker 5>So you don't care about starting black people from going

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<v Speaker 5>to work?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, these are the anti Trump, anti ice protesters

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<v Speaker 2>that in New York City. There the sense of entitlement

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<v Speaker 2>of these protesters is something to behold.

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<v Speaker 6>Nick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've been wondering for a while.

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<v Speaker 7>Actually, whether left He's Losing It is the right title

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<v Speaker 7>for your segment, actually, because you're generously assuming that actually

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<v Speaker 7>had something in the first place to lose, like a

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<v Speaker 7>bit of moral decency for instance, or some intelligence. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>this is just the usual the usual thing, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 7>Everything based say they stand for, whether it's standing shoulder

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<v Speaker 7>to shoulder with people of color or whatever else so

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<v Speaker 7>prepared to throw away just for the next virtue signaling exercise.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pathetic.

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<v Speaker 7>It's actually atrocious and uncivilized behavior in my view, and

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<v Speaker 7>I wish we could stop them, but it seems not.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to have a lot more on the riots

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<v Speaker 2>across the US with Josh Hammer after the break, Nikita,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for your time tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Now before the break, let's have a laugh. This is good,

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<v Speaker 3>clean fun boxing legend.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Fenick has been targeted with an elaborate prank, a

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<v Speaker 2>hilarious prank where his house was auctioned off without his knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the work of Osmond oz Abu Mallik and

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<v Speaker 2>boxer Billy Dibb.

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<v Speaker 3>His hat went down.

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<v Speaker 9>Toot pipe pipe would have been a good bit thirty

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<v Speaker 9>five years ago, sir, on my hou's full concern toot

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<v Speaker 9>pipe pipe, I will reject you toothpot two, situs.

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<v Speaker 1>Eph.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Fedick got more and more angry as the auctioneer

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<v Speaker 2>refused to believe that the house wasn't really up for sale.

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<v Speaker 9>Here's my hair to sale, we thought, Sir, I've been

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<v Speaker 9>given instructions well you've been given the wrong instructions.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, month, bring the twice, bring the tweet, very million,

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<v Speaker 1>bring the play.

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<v Speaker 6>I've not taken three men.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a high bid on that, sir. I just

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<v Speaker 1>told you boy.

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<v Speaker 6>How's my has for sale? How's my house to sell? Getting?

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<v Speaker 1>I've made my hand from south. I've been given instructions.

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<v Speaker 3>And here Jeff Fedick is bemused.

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<v Speaker 2>That is nine million dollar house is selling for around

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<v Speaker 2>six million dollars and the whole thing almost escalates into

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<v Speaker 2>a physical confrontation before the big reveal.

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<v Speaker 6>Here it goes at what point five? Five millions?

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<v Speaker 5>Of me?

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<v Speaker 1>Sir?

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<v Speaker 9>What point five?

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<v Speaker 1>The fun?

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<v Speaker 9>You'll be doing it deal tonight?

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<v Speaker 6>That's fine and a half? Hear it goes what at fine.

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<v Speaker 10>And a half?

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<v Speaker 1>Six is the bit at six?

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<v Speaker 9>Check point by check point?

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<v Speaker 1>By what?

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<v Speaker 9>At six point?

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<v Speaker 6>By what?

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<v Speaker 1>Chick? I ain't keep it to.

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<v Speaker 2>Prank now that's entertaining. I'm happy for my tax dollars

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<v Speaker 2>to go towards that. If anyone of the A, B

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<v Speaker 2>C is watching, get rid of Q and A replace

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<v Speaker 2>it with that still to come lefties losing it plus

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<v Speaker 2>Kim Kardashian cops a swift back check after voicing her

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<v Speaker 2>support for illegal immigrants.

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<v Speaker 3>Josh Hammer has the details. Welcome back. It's time for

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<v Speaker 3>lefties losing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with this why else reporter learning an important

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<v Speaker 2>lesson from Caroline Leavitt.

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<v Speaker 4>So, if there were peaceful protests on Saturday for the

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<v Speaker 4>militant parade, President.

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<v Speaker 5>Trump would allow that.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, the President supports peaceful protest. What a stupid question,

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<v Speaker 6>l Thank you so much, Caroline.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, stupid questions deserve brutal answers.

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<v Speaker 3>She won't make that mistake again.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is another supposed celebrity, a preachy clown called don'tch.

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<v Speaker 2>She calls herself a swamp princess, and she seems to

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<v Speaker 2>have missed the unhinged violence in LA.

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<v Speaker 4>There are ruthless attacks that are creating fear and chaos

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<v Speaker 4>in our communities. In the name of law and order,

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<v Speaker 4>Trump is using military forces to stop a protest. And

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<v Speaker 4>I want you to consider what kind of government it

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<v Speaker 4>appears to be when every time we exercise our democratic

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<v Speaker 4>right to protest, the military is deployed against us. What

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<v Speaker 4>type of government is that?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's the type of government that holds the law,

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<v Speaker 2>that protects the innocent from the lawless doci if that's

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<v Speaker 2>her name, sounds a bit like.

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<v Speaker 3>A fruit, a citrusy fruiter has a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>To learn there now to the ladies of the view,

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<v Speaker 2>and Whoopee seems to think that California is some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a separate country and that the president cannot exercise

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<v Speaker 2>his power over the rogue state.

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<v Speaker 11>Whatever happened to states rights? I thought that was what

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<v Speaker 11>you do, because you tell the state, this is what

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<v Speaker 11>we're thinking of doing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you don't just send people in.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't just send troops in. But where do I know, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't know much, Whoopee. We've worked that out.

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<v Speaker 2>But if Whoopy is clueless, Sonny Houstin is utterly unhinged,

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<v Speaker 2>just listen to this. You are an army turned insight

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<v Speaker 2>to police and citizens can cause chaos, fascism and fascism,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think that's the way war and civil war. I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's the way we need to look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's hear from Sarah Haynes, who are some sobering

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<v Speaker 2>news for the ladies. The great majority of Americans support

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump's policy to deport every illegal immigrant.

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<v Speaker 10>Sixty six percent of the American public actually thinks it

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<v Speaker 10>is crime enough to be undocumented and therefore deported.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's criminal to be undoctioned.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, it is not.

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<v Speaker 3>You know how the disagreement was in the beginning.

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<v Speaker 10>We were told it was going to be violent criminals,

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<v Speaker 10>and I think everyone at this table would agree haul

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<v Speaker 10>out the violent criminals. Fine, But a very important distinction

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<v Speaker 10>was sixty percent of the American public, two thirds of Independence,

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<v Speaker 10>ninety percent of Republicans, and just a little under half

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<v Speaker 10>of Democrats think the crime is in being undocumented.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>So what I'm saying is a massive.

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<v Speaker 10>Amount of this country actually agrees with not how he's

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<v Speaker 10>doing it, but with what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 6>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, I'd say the majority would be pretty happy with

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<v Speaker 2>how he's doing it. And I don't know where the

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<v Speaker 2>ladies of the View were during the election campaign, but

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump was pretty clear that his policy was to

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<v Speaker 2>deport every immigrant, not just those convicted of additional criminal offenses.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me now is Newsweek's senior editor at large and

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<v Speaker 2>Article three projects CEDI Council, Josh Hammer. Josh, the ladies

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<v Speaker 2>of the view were not happy with those stats. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think people at CNN were particularly happy though. When

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<v Speaker 2>the reports were on their station. But it's migrants who

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<v Speaker 2>have most strongly gravitated to Donald Trump over his immigration policies.

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<v Speaker 5>Reader, and I live that out every day actually as

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<v Speaker 5>a resident of South Florida. I mean, you see the

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<v Speaker 5>Hispanic communities in the United States that have driven in

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<v Speaker 5>droves to the Republican Party, to the camp O Maga,

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<v Speaker 5>to America first, Donald Trump's broader coalition. This is a

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<v Speaker 5>long time trends been going on for at least a

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<v Speaker 5>decade by now. Donald Trump actually in twenty twenty, in

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<v Speaker 5>the twenty twenty election that he lost to Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 5>actually did better among Hispanics in general in about a

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<v Speaker 5>half century. He did orgmatitude better in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a huge trend there actually outright one the

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<v Speaker 5>male Hispanic vote in the twenty twenty four exit polls.

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<v Speaker 6>There.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, this is totally taken a Democratic Party by storm.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, think back to two thousand and eight, think

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<v Speaker 5>back to to Barack Obama and the whole notion of

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<v Speaker 5>this interceptional rainbow coalition of the ascent. In this identity politics,

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<v Speaker 5>grievance coalition of a grieved interest. You have the gay

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<v Speaker 5>community and the immigrant community under this and that and

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<v Speaker 5>that there, and it's all caput. It's totally down the

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<v Speaker 5>dream this point. They are scrambling to put Humpy Dumpy

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<v Speaker 5>back together again, but they have no idea where to

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<v Speaker 5>go from here. And it's just really delectable to watch

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<v Speaker 5>Frankly as someone who wishes them nothing but the worst.

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<v Speaker 5>They have no idea where to go, and I just

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<v Speaker 5>think the Frankly Warriors, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we all know late night TV comics in America

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<v Speaker 2>have completely lost the plot. They've turned into unwatchable leftist

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<v Speaker 2>activists viewing all sorts of hysteria and lies and blackface

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<v Speaker 2>enthusiast and misogynist Jimmy Kimmel is a Prome example.

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<v Speaker 11>We've been watching cable news and believe this city is

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<v Speaker 11>some kind of totalitarian healthscape.

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<v Speaker 6>Right now, it most certainly is not.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm very angry. I have to say, I cannot believe

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<v Speaker 11>what's going on. I knew it was going to be bad.

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<v Speaker 11>I did not know it was going to be this bad.

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<v Speaker 11>People who have lived here their whole lives, people who've

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<v Speaker 11>been in this city longer than I have, the vast

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<v Speaker 11>majority of whom have never done anything wrong or being abducted,

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<v Speaker 11>which is the correct word to use, by agents in

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<v Speaker 11>masks hiding their identities, grabbing people off the street and

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<v Speaker 11>at work, sending people to detention centers, and to protest

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<v Speaker 11>that which is not only our right as Americans, it's

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<v Speaker 11>our responsibility. Los Angelinos have been gathering to demonstrate, with

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<v Speaker 11>very few exceptions, peacefully demonstrate to voice their opposition to

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<v Speaker 11>this disgusting and unnecessary abuse of power instigated by our

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<v Speaker 11>mentally ill president, who is dead set on exacerbating this,

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<v Speaker 11>who actually wants conflict, who is intentionally inflaming and to

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<v Speaker 11>make it seem like there's a war going on here.

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<v Speaker 11>He wants there to be a war going on here,

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<v Speaker 11>and he doesn't care who gets hurt in it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a riot outside, Josh, I can't believe his audience

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<v Speaker 2>is circling the dray and I don't even know where

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<v Speaker 2>to start with all that. First, the denial that the

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<v Speaker 2>riots are even happening, then the demented hysteria about Trump

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<v Speaker 2>and abductions and civil wars. Jimmy Kimmel just profoundly ignorant or.

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<v Speaker 3>Is he lying grit?

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<v Speaker 5>It was five years ago that the United States endured

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<v Speaker 5>one of its tumultuous summers in the history of our country.

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<v Speaker 5>We had the Summer of Love, the summer of the

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<v Speaker 5>sixteen nineteen riots as they're called the Black Lives Matter

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<v Speaker 5>and Tieper riots there, and it was actually just over

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<v Speaker 5>a week ago that we had the five year anniversary

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<v Speaker 5>of the somewhat infamous OpEd from Center Tom Connon of

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<v Speaker 5>Arkansas calling to send in the troops. As it turns out,

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<v Speaker 5>of Tom Cotton's op ed was poweringly prescient actually, because

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<v Speaker 5>we're facing the exact same situation now in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 5>and the same way that the media, the same way

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<v Speaker 5>that they have learned nothing when it comes to trying

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<v Speaker 5>to put Hump Dumpy back together again with this intersectional

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<v Speaker 5>rainbow or legal immigrants, whatever it is coalition on the left. There,

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<v Speaker 5>so too have they seemingly learned nothing whatsoever when it

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<v Speaker 5>comes to the overwhelming abiding, moral imperative of law and order,

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<v Speaker 5>when it comes to anarchy and domestic insurrectionary activity. Here,

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<v Speaker 5>I think back to the infamous CNN chirn during these

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<v Speaker 5>Saint George Floyd riots in twenty twenty there where there

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.240
<v Speaker 5>was that there was a reporter standing there with the

0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 5>keV Lar helmet and it said fiery but mostly peaceful protests.

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 5>That's basically the same energy, the same spirit you might

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 5>say that Jimmy Kimmel is channeling. And this not particularly

0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 5>funny quasi monologue that we just heard there there. You know,

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.160
<v Speaker 5>these these are not mostly peaceful protests, as the video

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 5>that the viewers are watching right now makes entirely clear.

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:48.440
<v Speaker 5>These are extraordinarily violent protests.

0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:48.640
<v Speaker 1>There.

0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 5>Police have been clamoring actually for the Federal National Guard

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 5>to get involved. Aaren Bass, the chief the police there.

0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 5>If you actually listen to what they're saying, they are saying,

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:01.879
<v Speaker 5>we are overwhelmed. We actually need federal law enforcement to

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:05.480
<v Speaker 5>come back up the LAPD. Now this is not peaceful stuff.

0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 5>And all this is done Riada. All this is done

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 5>with an ultimate intent to try to disintegrate the United

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 5>States from within. That is the left wing sentiment here

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:15.440
<v Speaker 5>there and everywhere is not to build, but is to

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 5>tear down. They are trying to tear down the United States.

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:20.919
<v Speaker 5>They are trying to tear down every other major European country,

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:23.359
<v Speaker 5>Australia and New zealand every other first world country around

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 5>the world. I'm here in Israel now. The same thing

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:27.680
<v Speaker 5>here with the Israeli left. Everywhere you are throughout the world,

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 5>the Left has the exact same mentality, which is to

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 5>destroy and to tear down the nation civil society. It's

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:34.959
<v Speaker 5>playing out though, and particularly start terms are now back

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 5>home from me in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>Now what we've all been waiting for, Josh, is the

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:46.560
<v Speaker 2>import of Kim Kardashian. The reality TV star described immigration

0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 2>and Customs enforcement deportation rates as inhumane, and that prompt

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:56.359
<v Speaker 2>today top Department of Homeland Security official to fire back.

0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Assistant DHS Secretary Tricia McLachlin wrote on X Kim Kardashian,

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:06.919
<v Speaker 2>which one of these convicted child molesters, murderers, drug traffickers,

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:10.360
<v Speaker 2>and rapists would you like to stay in the country?

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:13.840
<v Speaker 2>And she also included with that post muck shots and

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 2>the profiles of a criminality of these four illegal immigrants

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 2>that were recently nabbed in ICE enforcement operations. Josh, it's

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 2>good to see people within the administration, people within the

0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 2>bureaucracy hitting back at these celebrities.

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 3>Who mouth off, and they often do that with little consequence.

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm smiling over here, Bria, because I can't help

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 5>with thing. Back to the very first GOP presidential primary

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 5>debate of the twenty sixteen presidential cycle. This takes us

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:49.639
<v Speaker 5>all the way back to August of twenty fifteen, just

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 5>about a decade ago, and Donald Trump has this kind

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 5>of infamous attack on Rosi o'donald. Of all people, right,

0:27:56.600 --> 0:28:00.080
<v Speaker 5>it was a very memorable exchange. But Donald Trump and

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.159
<v Speaker 5>all the people that he surrounds himself with, they have

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 5>never been afraid to take on high profile celebrities. There,

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 5>Kim Kardashian these days, I suppose blows Rosie o'donnald out

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 5>of the water as far as pop culture rabatas is concerned. There,

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 5>So no there, They're not afraid whatsoever to take on

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 5>big interests, whether those big interests are in big pharma,

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 5>whether those interests are in big Tech or big Hollywood,

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:26.159
<v Speaker 5>or big media, big academia, big university, big Life of

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.639
<v Speaker 5>the Kardashians, whatever the reality show is called there that

0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 5>I don't particularly claim to care to watch, to be

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:32.119
<v Speaker 5>honest with you, there, but they're not afraid. They're not

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:34.239
<v Speaker 5>afraid to get in the mud there for the very

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 5>simple reason that, on the one hand, these celebrities are

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 5>a very convenient political foil because they quite literally live

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 5>out of touch and their gated communities with their private guards.

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 5>Kim Kardashian is not experiencing what the blue collar oftentimes

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.720
<v Speaker 5>by the way, Hispanic oftentimes Hispanic working class people in

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 5>places like downtown Los Angeles, Kim Kardashian and Malibu or

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 5>whoever the heck she's living, she is not experiencing those

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:58.959
<v Speaker 5>people in downtown Los Angeles are experiencing there. And then

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 5>on the other hand, there you know, people at Tricia

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.880
<v Speaker 5>McLaughlin and the USDHS. They know that the American people

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 5>side with them. So it's good politics, it's good policy,

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 5>and they're doing very well actually on.

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 10>This world now.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh on those protests in blue cities, Republican Senator Josh

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 2>Hawley's launched an investigation into a left wing group in

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 2>California that he says maybe financially.

0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Supporting violent protests in LA.

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 2>What more can you tell me about this, because there

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 2>is a lot of conjecture that there is organization and

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.200
<v Speaker 2>funding behind these protests.

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.239
<v Speaker 5>So we don't know what's on yet, is the very

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 5>short and honest answer. I'm hoping to learn more. I

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 5>was very happy to see that Central Holly is putting

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:47.240
<v Speaker 5>out this notice of investigation there, and this is the

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 5>sort of thing that peeral government should be investigating. Their

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 5>Congress has this beena power, DHSDOJ have a lot of

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 5>powers at their disposal within the bureaucracy of the executive

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 5>branch as well. Now we do know that whether it

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 5>comes to the twenty twenty Black Lives Matter ANTIFA riots,

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 5>whether it comes to the post October seventh Prohamas riots

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 5>on American University canvases, we definitely do know that there

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 5>have been outside funders. We just don't know to this

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 5>day exactly the constellation eventities there. We highly suspected individuals

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 5>like George Sodos are involved. There are very shady lefting organizations.

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 5>One is known as Arabella Advisors. They are known to

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 5>kind of try to mobilize activist lefting organization, but left

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:27.560
<v Speaker 5>has a very complicated network rata unfortunately. Actually the recent

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 5>murderer of the two is really diplomat in Washingt DC,

0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 5>was actually very involved in some of these far left

0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 5>grassroots circles as well. It's an extraordinarily shady picture actually,

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 5>and I think actually this is not talk about very frequently,

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 5>but one of the most important imperatives for people on

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 5>the right in America right now, especially when it comes

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 5>to investigative journalists, really have the wherewithal the chops to

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 5>get to actually do this, I think, to try to

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 5>kind of systematically break down some of these very sketchy

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 5>left wing organizations they're try to actually find out where

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 5>the bank accounts are coming from, try to find out

0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 5>who is dropping off in mysterious three am load overnight fashion,

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 5>who was actually dropping off the body armor and the

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 5>vests and the kevlar helmets, you know, at the bus

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 5>station Los Angeles, and basically tell these people, Okay, here's

0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 5>what you need to go ahead and then stand up

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 5>to the man, stand up to the LAPD. Again, we

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 5>don't actually know to this day exactly who is funding this,

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 5>but we see it in the open, and it's been

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 5>happening for a long time now. I just think you

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 5>remembered this exact same sort of thing happening in those

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 5>first few months of the twenty twenty George Floyd Riot's there,

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 5>so it's going on for a long time there. Unfortunately,

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 5>haven't gone a whole lot and answering this question. But

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm happy that Josh Holly's on the case.

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's finally time to have a little

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>bit of a real investigation into what's happened there, because

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>there's now an appetite to actually find out the truth.

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 2>The FBI is interested, certainly the Justice Department will be interested,

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>and Senator Hawley is going.

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 3>To be pushing this hard now.

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Today on Light and News, the President and the First

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Lady were at the Kennedy Center to see La miss

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 2>and he was not one bit phased. Donald Trump with

0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 2>the prospect of actors boycotting the event.

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 6>It's been reported that some actors maybe boycotting.

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 8>I bring jail us.

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>All I do is run the country.

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 9>Well, the economic numberis you saw them today.

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 6>They're setting records which took.

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:20.720
<v Speaker 9>Eighty eight million dollars in tariffs in two months, far

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 9>beyond what anybody expected.

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 6>There's no inflation, people are happy, people are wealthy. The

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 6>country is getting back to strength again.

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 5>That's what I care about, and we're going to have

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 5>a safe.

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 3>Country, Josh.

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 2>This was the President's first visit to the Kennysy Center

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 2>since he became its chairman back in February.

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 3>He said that he's going to restore it to its former.

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Glory, and the reports are there was a little bit

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 2>of booing, but mainly cheers and even chance of the

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 2>USA throughout the arena.

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:55.720
<v Speaker 5>Well, this is why he's president of the United States, right,

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 5>is that he is able to stay with a straight

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 5>face and in quite humorous fashion, name my dad. He's

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 5>able to say, I put him care less when it

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 5>comes to the possibility of a boycott from these presumably

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 5>overpaid actors to go up there and emote and gesticulate

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 5>to make all these things about how Donald Trump is

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 5>an evil fashot or bashis or whatever there I mean.

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think back as well when Donald Trump's

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:18.640
<v Speaker 5>on his most recent iteration of the travel band putting

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 5>limited or full restrictions on entry into the United States

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.719
<v Speaker 5>from twelve countries throughout the world. There and he has

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 5>this kind of video that he records sitting at the

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 5>resolute desk in the Oval Office in the White House,

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 5>and he looks and he looks at the cavern says,

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 5>we don't want them.

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 6>I mean, what a common sense sentiment.

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 5>We don't want them. We don't want them. I put

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 5>n't care less. This again, this is why Donald Trump

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 5>is president. He has this innate, kind of inherent political

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 5>appeal to Joe workingman. He is really kind of the

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 5>class trader billionaire, the guy who has made rules of

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 5>money and has made a global brand icon for himself.

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 5>But the way that he speaks, the way that he

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 5>acts just directly resonates Haart to heart with the working

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 5>men and women of America. There this clip has getting

0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 5>another example of that.

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>It it's amazing that a billionaire is so relatable, and

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 2>a billionaire who's led the life is led now. The

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 2>New York Post reports President Trump has been receptive to

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk's apology for that X meltdown. Musk admitted he

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 2>had gone too far in his personal attacks. No kidding, mate,

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 2>President Trump told the Post, I thought it was very

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 2>nice that he did that, But Josh, the President wasn't

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 2>willing to say that. He let bygones be bygones with

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 2>the Tesla space X CEO.

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 3>And I don't think that's a surprise for Musk to

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:41.399
<v Speaker 3>do that so publicly. It's going to take a lot

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 3>for that trust to be restored.

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.720
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean to put it mildly, I mean, Elon

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 5>overreacted would probably most politely I can put it there.

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:54.880
<v Speaker 5>I mean he took a personal he took a policy disagreement.

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:59.239
<v Speaker 5>He took a very reasonable disagreement over the so called

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 5>Big beautiful and whether or not this is the best

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 5>way to be appropriating funds there, whether or not to

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:06.399
<v Speaker 5>be a committee by committee, one bit built, okay, whatever.

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 5>That's a legitimate debate that people on the right from

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 5>Depper and haled it themselves. But he took it so personally.

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 5>And the way that he reacted there, I mean, essentially

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 5>calling Donald Trump a pedophile by talking about the the

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 5>Steam files there, I mean, not an easy thing to

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:25.800
<v Speaker 5>walk back into right there. Having said that, having said that,

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 5>I appreciate the instincts, I appreciate the instinct to try

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 5>to walk back to try to make amends. It's frankly

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 5>very gracious of Donald Trump, but he is willing to

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 5>kind of just let bygones be bygones. That there's such

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.799
<v Speaker 5>a short period of time. It's best for the right,

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 5>is best for the American right, And as someone who

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 5>wants the American right to succeed, this wor ultimately I

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 5>come down, it is best for the American right to

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.240
<v Speaker 5>try to get these two titans to try to let bygones,

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 5>be bygones there, but easier set than done, because again

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 5>Elon must dramatically, dramatically overreacted here. But the guy's the

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 5>wealthiest man in the world. And think of it this way, Rita.

0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:59.360
<v Speaker 5>If you are Donald Trump, if you are MAGA, you

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 5>are the America the First Movement, if you are the

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 5>Republican Party, et cetera, and so forth. There, you don't

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:06.560
<v Speaker 5>want to alienate Elon muss You ultimately do want Elon

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 5>Musk on your side for pure kind of cynical funding reasons,

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:13.239
<v Speaker 5>if nothing else there. So that's ultimately where I come down.

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 5>And it simply Donald Trump seems to agree.

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 6>With that there.

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 5>But boy, he's being very gracious because Elon must had

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 5>some very nasty things to put him out.

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:23.360
<v Speaker 3>I agree with you.

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 2>I think the right need those two to kiss and

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 2>make up. But then the fact that Elon has the

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:33.320
<v Speaker 2>capacity to have a meltdown like this publicly on X

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 2>If this was a meltdown behind closed doors, then it's

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 2>another thing. But for him to take it and just

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<v Speaker 2>completely lose it publicly, I think it's going to take

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot for that trust to be restored. But you

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 2>don't want him to be writing those checks for billions

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<v Speaker 2>to the Democrats because he has been a lifelong Democrat

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<v Speaker 2>up until recently.

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Josh, she was.

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Red pilled, and I think that's authentic. I don't think

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:01.400
<v Speaker 2>that was opportunistic. I think he his politics and his

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:06.880
<v Speaker 2>worldview has changed dramatically, and other than that that little meltdown,

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 2>he has been pretty sound for the Mega movement. Josh Hava,

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for your time tonight. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>still to come. Why the LA riots could be considered

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<v Speaker 2>domestic terrorism. International security professor Max Abrams explains, welcome back

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<v Speaker 2>the anti Trump, anti ice protests. Riots really have spread

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:40.839
<v Speaker 2>to other blue cities. Let's have a look at what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening in San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 5>Yep.

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 2>The violent protests are spreading to Democrat strongholds like San Francisco,

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 2>New York, Chicago, and even.

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 3>South to Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Atlanta is a blue city. Georgia may be read,

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<v Speaker 2>but Atlanta is not a song of the violence we're

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:39.320
<v Speaker 2>seeing in LA. With the use of fireworks to target

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 2>police and even police horses is extremely.

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Dangerous, life threatening.

0:38:55.400 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Let's bring in international security expert Max Abrams. Max, some

0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 2>of the violence we're saying seems opportunistic. Some of it

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 2>those seems very much organized. You are an international security

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:13.360
<v Speaker 2>professor and expert on terrorism. Do you consider some of

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<v Speaker 2>this violence as acts of domestic terrorism?

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<v Speaker 6>I think it is. You know, there's obviously a reluctance

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 6>by the left to describe this kind of violence as terrorism,

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:33.160
<v Speaker 6>because terrorism is only done for ideologies that the left

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:39.440
<v Speaker 6>doesn't like. But the definition of terrorism certainly could include

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 6>left wing political violence. The standard definition that we use

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 6>is a non state actor, so we're not talking about

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 6>a government who uses violence against a civilian target for

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:58.560
<v Speaker 6>political aim, and it's always useful to keep that definition

0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 6>in mind when trying to determine whether we're looking at terrorism.

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:07.040
<v Speaker 6>I think that some of this violence certainly looks a

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 6>lot like terrorism. I think that increasingly the violence is

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<v Speaker 6>going to be indiscriminate. It's not going to be just

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 6>directed against ice or federal buildings or police forces and

0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:29.920
<v Speaker 6>police cars. I think that these perpetrators pose a genuine

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:34.879
<v Speaker 6>danger to the public. Broadly. They're going to be increasingly

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 6>setting cars on fire and probably looting stores indiscriminately anything

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:47.160
<v Speaker 6>they can get into, attacking shops, and the reason is

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 6>is that these guys are simply united by anti American sentiment.

0:40:55.480 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 6>So there might be some nuances in terms of their differences.

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 6>How much are they motivated against a how much specifically

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 6>against immigration policy.

0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:09.319
<v Speaker 1>But this is just an.

0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:15.239
<v Speaker 6>Opportunity for left wing extremists to try to exert their

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:21.359
<v Speaker 6>control over the country into intimidate anyone there. So, yes,

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:27.880
<v Speaker 6>this is domestic extremism and unfortunately probably increasingly terrorism.

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 2>And we saw similar scenes that destruction in discriminate destruction

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:39.280
<v Speaker 2>of public property, private property, the looting, the arson during

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:44.640
<v Speaker 2>the BLM riots throughout America, and I would suspect there'd

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 2>be a lot of the usual suspects involved in this

0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 2>as well. Tulsa Gabbatt says, this is organized largely, This

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:56.280
<v Speaker 2>isn't just some organic gathering of people who are upset.

0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 3>Do you see it that way? Do you see some

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 3>organization behind at least some of the violence. We're saying.

0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 6>It's a combination. I mean, if you look at sort

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 6>of the gear that these guys have, some of them

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:17.360
<v Speaker 6>are clearly professionals. You know, they have fancy face masks,

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 6>you know, to deal with the whatever the authorities are

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:25.800
<v Speaker 6>throwing at them. They know how to deal with a

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:30.799
<v Speaker 6>gas you know Cannister thrown at them. Some of them

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:36.040
<v Speaker 6>we know specifically who they are, and they are part

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 6>of an organization, their career criminals, if you will. But

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:45.520
<v Speaker 6>a lot of it actually is organic. So whenever there

0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:49.160
<v Speaker 6>is like a some kind of a left wing extremist

0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:54.399
<v Speaker 6>cause just blowing up whatever the extremist cause du jour

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:57.960
<v Speaker 6>is on the left, you're gonna get a lot of

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:02.440
<v Speaker 6>sympathizers who who join in. That was true of Black

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:06.760
<v Speaker 6>Lives Matter, it's true of the global anti Fato movement.

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:10.760
<v Speaker 6>That's how these guys rule. So yeah, probably in the beginning,

0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:15.400
<v Speaker 6>there's a very important rule in terms of like the organization,

0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.879
<v Speaker 6>in the leadership. But then you just have a whole

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:24.759
<v Speaker 6>bunch of angry people. You have weak control over the streets,

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 6>and they're seizing the opportunity to stick it to the

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 6>United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I want to ask about your own personal experience

0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 2>with some of the anti Semitism, anti Israel sentiment we

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 2>have seen on university campuses. You've personally impacted by that

0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:48.600
<v Speaker 2>hate and hostility. Tell me what happened at your university

0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:51.200
<v Speaker 2>when activists took over your class.

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:58.280
<v Speaker 6>Sure, so let's go back the Hamas terrorist massacre. Happened

0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 6>on October seventh, three and just three days after that,

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:10.800
<v Speaker 6>before Israel had a chance to respond, before Israel invaded Gaza,

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:18.320
<v Speaker 6>a guy came to my office area in the hallway

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:24.239
<v Speaker 6>and put into my hand a flyer and said, you know,

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:26.160
<v Speaker 6>do you want to go to this event? And it

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 6>was a pro resistance vigil or you know event down

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 6>the street in Cambridge, and so I thought that was

0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 6>a little bit off putting. He shouldn't have been there,

0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:45.360
<v Speaker 6>you know, near my office leading me propaganda three days

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:48.680
<v Speaker 6>after the attack, but I didn't think too much about it.

0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:52.400
<v Speaker 6>Then I went to my classroom to teach that evening

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 6>and the same guy was there, and he wasn't a

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:59.839
<v Speaker 6>student of mine, he was a student of the university

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 6>I teach. So he wasn't responding actually to anything that

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 6>I had said in class, in particular, that day's class

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:13.719
<v Speaker 6>was actually not sort of relevant to him. It was

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 6>I was basically just targeted because I'm a Jewish professor.

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 6>The topic actually was going to be on right wing extremism,

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:27.320
<v Speaker 6>but I wasn't able to teach until he like left

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:31.000
<v Speaker 6>and stopped making a commotion, and then finally he just

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 6>got up and started sort of prancing around the classroom

0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:38.759
<v Speaker 6>saying that, you know, I was complicit and the university

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:44.279
<v Speaker 6>was complicit, and he encouraged my students to walk out

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 6>of the classroom and to attend this pro Hamas event

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:57.160
<v Speaker 6>in Cambridge. I didn't immediately file a complaint about that,

0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:01.720
<v Speaker 6>but then he kind of stalked me afterwards, like hanging

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:04.640
<v Speaker 6>out by my office. I don't know what I could

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:08.959
<v Speaker 6>say on television, but he basically confronted me and told

0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:12.600
<v Speaker 6>me to f off or whatever to my face. So

0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 6>I was thinking, Wow, this is you know, this is

0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:19.000
<v Speaker 6>really quite personal. It should be pointed out that I wasn't.

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:19.480
<v Speaker 1>It was a.

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<v Speaker 2>Campaign of intimidation because you're a Jewish member of faculty

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<v Speaker 2>and you wouldn't come to me.

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<v Speaker 6>I did, that's right, And I did end up filing

0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:32.799
<v Speaker 6>a formal complaint, and I wasn't the only one. Another

0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 6>faculty member had a related experience from the same student,

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 6>and I didn't know what the status of my complaint was.

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:47.640
<v Speaker 6>They wouldn't update me. But then my phone started blowing

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:53.360
<v Speaker 6>up during the Northeastern University graduation ceremony because a student

0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 6>had taken it over and had you know, like fake

0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 6>blood on his hands on the stage. Thanks for putting

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:03.719
<v Speaker 6>the figure up. Yeah, that's the guy. And so when

0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:07.280
<v Speaker 6>I saw that, wow, and this made it into the news,

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 6>I immediately understood that my university, Northeastern University, had clearly

0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 6>not doubt with this student. He had gone graduation, he

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:21.160
<v Speaker 6>had gotten his and so I was I was a

0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 6>little bit surprised, because that really is pretty egregious to

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:30.479
<v Speaker 6>stalk me to take over the classroom. Yeah, and again

0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:34.040
<v Speaker 6>I wasn't the only professor at Northeastern University to do that.

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:39.120
<v Speaker 6>We both were both tenured professors. We filed complaints. We

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 6>did exactly what we were supposed to do. You know,

0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:44.440
<v Speaker 6>I didn't get into a physical confrontation with the guy.

0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 6>I tried to use the Northeastern University system, and they

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:51.960
<v Speaker 6>rewarded him with the diploma and ended up, you know,

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:56.400
<v Speaker 6>embarrassing themselves in the national media. I think there are

0:47:56.480 --> 0:48:00.719
<v Speaker 6>a lot of lessons here. The truth is is that

0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:06.200
<v Speaker 6>the universities are not reforming themselves when they have a

0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:11.279
<v Speaker 6>reason to, even when there is a credible complaint, even

0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:14.920
<v Speaker 6>when there's a real danger to faculty in students, they

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.400
<v Speaker 6>refuse to act. And again, I do think it's important

0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:22.960
<v Speaker 6>to know that Israel had not even responded yet. So

0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 6>this wasn't like against Night, you know, the genocide and Gaza.

0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:29.840
<v Speaker 6>None of that had happened. This just was an outbreak

0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:35.160
<v Speaker 6>of support for Hamas in the immediate aftermath of Operation

0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:36.240
<v Speaker 6>Alaxa flood.

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:41.080
<v Speaker 2>And that's the point, Max, Northeastern University, all these universities

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:45.400
<v Speaker 2>would respond very differently if the target wasn't a Jewish

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:49.200
<v Speaker 2>professor but a black professor, or Hispanic or Muslim professor.

0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Max Abrams, thank you for your time tonight, and that's

0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:55.960
<v Speaker 2>all the time we have. I'll see you at nine

0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:58.959
<v Speaker 2>pm tomorrow night for Lift. He's losing it up. Next

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<v Speaker 2>it's Newsnight.