1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 1: It's Friday, January tenth. Anthony Albernezi says he'll serve a 3 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: full term as PM if he is re elected this year, 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: and he insists his government has kept the cost of 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 1: living and inflation as low as possible. Those are just 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: some of the stories in an exclusive interview by our 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: Greg Brown live now at The Australian dot com dot AU. 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: A new video episode of our blockbuster cold case investigation 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: Bromwyn will be published this weekend with new insights from 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: National Chief correspondent Headley Thomas and Bromwin Winfield's family members, 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: as well as cops, lawyers and listeners. Bromwin Winfield went 12 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: missing in nineteen ninety three, and despite a coroner recommending 13 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: charges against her husband John, nobody has been brought before 14 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: the courts. John Winfield has always denied any wrongdoing. We've 15 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: created three video only episodes beginning on Friday night for 16 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: the Australian subscribers. You can join us and find the 17 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: video exclusive at Bromwyn podcast dot com. It seems like 18 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: a lifetime ago now, but in April, Australia held its 19 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: breath as a terrifying siege unfolded one of the country's 20 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: busiest shopping centers, bond DII Junction Westfield, perched high above Sydney, 21 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: just a few minutes from the world's most famous beach. 22 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: Today we bring you an episode first aired in April. 23 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,919 Speaker 1: We'll be back with all new episodes of The Front tomorrow, 24 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: January eleven. Before we start, this episode contains graphic descriptions 25 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: of violent crime. Sun On the morning of her last 26 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: day of life, doctor Ashley Good, a thirty eight year 27 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: old first time mum, turns around from the front seat 28 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: of her car and shoots a video of her baby daughter, 29 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: nine months old, strapped into her baby seat. The little 30 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: girl is all cheeks and eyelashes, concentrating hard on a 31 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: snack she's clutching in one hand. Ash sets the video 32 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: to My Girl, the nineteen sixty three hit by the Temptations, 33 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: the barbershop harmony That's sweet and sad all at once, 34 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: finger clicks and a swinging bassline, and posts it on Instagram. 35 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: And then Mum and her girl head where mums and 36 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: their girls go on a long, slow Saturday afternoon the 37 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: mall for a stroll in the pram and some shopping. 38 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: Ashley Goods a seriously impressive woman trained as an osteopath 39 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: now working as an account executive. Here she is in 40 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: a podcast episode with her former employer, Health Space Clinics, 41 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: talking about the things that make her happy. 42 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: There's so many things, but probably the main thing that 43 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: I do on the daily that keeps me inspired is meditation. 44 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,279 Speaker 1: So I meditate every single morning without. 45 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: Fail, and it definitely keeps me in the best place. 46 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: And it's something it took me a long time to 47 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: sort of get into the habit of doing and committing 48 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: to because I for so long thought, no, I can't 49 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: sit still or I can't be quiet, but it's so powerful. 50 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: It's early afternoon on a stunning mid autumn Saturday, cloudless 51 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: blue skies and the slightest chill on the very edge 52 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: of a gentle southeasterly Just a few kilometers away from 53 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: ash and her baby, another seriously impressive woman is working. 54 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: New South Wales. Police Inspector Amy Scott is on duty 55 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: overseeing operations for Eastern Suburbs Police Area Command. She's alone 56 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: in her police car driving the hills that slope up 57 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: to Westfield Bondi Junction, a huge mall that sits atop 58 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: a ridge line. It's the highest point south of the harbor, 59 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: visible from everywhere. As a senior officer, Amy Scott is 60 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: working alone, listening for calls, talking to her team of 61 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: officers out and about Inside the mall, Ashley Good is 62 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: living her last tranquil moments, unaware of what's looming. As 63 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: the afternoon stretches on, a Queensland man walks into the mall. 64 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: This is Joel Gouchi, a forty year old from Toowoomba 65 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,119 Speaker 1: who's been in Sydney for a short period of time. 66 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: He's been sleeping rough, sometimes in a car, maybe at 67 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: a backpacker's joint. He lives with schizophrenia and has been 68 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: struggle with his mental health since the age of seventeen. 69 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: He's estranged from his family. Days earlier, he was learning 70 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: to surf at Bondi, posting pictures of himself beaming standing 71 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: in front of a surfboard on the sand. Hours ago, 72 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: he was sitting at Saigone Noodle downstairs eating a curry. 73 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: He's been around the area since ten am. He's edging 74 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,119 Speaker 1: forwards and back, contemplating what's about to come at about 75 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: three ten pm. He comes into the mall, abruptly leaves 76 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: and then returns at about three twenty and that is 77 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 1: when it begins. Gauchi, holding a thirty centimeter knife, begins 78 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: a murderous rampage that turns this peaceful day into one 79 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: of Australia's worst ever mass killings. He stabs eighteen people, 80 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: two security guards in Pakistani refugee for rahs to hear 81 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: an architect from nearby Double Bay, Jade Young, a twenty 82 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: five year old Dawn Singleton who's preparing for her wedding. 83 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: She's the daughter of famous adman John Singleton. Gauchi stabs 84 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: two women in the Chanelle store. He approaches Ashgood and 85 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: the baby, attacking the child first, then her mother, plunging 86 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: his knife into their bodies. As blood pours out of her, 87 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: Ash turns to two men standing nearby, strangers, a pair 88 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: of middle aged brothers she doesn't know, and thrusts the 89 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: baby at them, begging for help. They grab clothes from 90 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: nearby racks, using the fabric to try and stop the 91 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: baby's bleeding. As others rush to help Ash she will 92 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: never hold the baby again. Someone calls Triple o. But 93 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: before the paramedics and the helicopters and the tactical cops 94 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: comes Amy Scott roaring up to them, all leaping out, 95 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: racing past shops as fleeing shoppers tell her where to 96 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: find the knifeman. She's running at top speed, sprinting past 97 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: boost juice, past cotton on kids, followed by a small 98 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: group of men, one carrying a white metal chair. Amy 99 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: Scott is wearing her uniform pants, boots and a short 100 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: sleeve shirt, no stab proof vest, nobody armor. She has 101 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: handcuffs and capsicum spray and a taser on her belt, 102 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: but she unclips her glock. Scott sees Gouci and orders 103 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: him to drop the knife. He doesn't, she shoots him 104 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,559 Speaker 1: three times in the chest. 105 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: What we know is that she arrived at the center 106 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: on the back of an ambulance report. 107 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: Joanni Bishan is a journalist with The Australian. 108 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: And that ambulance report was confusing at the time. It 109 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: was a pretty chaotic moment and it was suggesting that 110 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 3: while there were people injured, there was also the possibility 111 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: of two assailants inside the shopping center, and she wouldn't 112 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: have known if they were armed. With knives with guns, 113 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: whether there were two people or one person or more people, 114 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: and so without waiting for any sort of backup, we 115 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: know that Inspector Scott has driven straight to the venue 116 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 3: and entered the shopping center against a throng of people 117 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: essentially trying to escape. And we know that while she 118 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: was trying to get inside, some of those people have 119 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: started directing her to Cauchi's location using their best recollections 120 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: of where they last saw him. And it should also 121 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 3: be remembered that this is a vast shopping complex and 122 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: it's very easy to get lost inside, and I think 123 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 3: it was somewhere within ten or fifteen minutes of entering 124 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 3: she was able to track down Cauchi on level five 125 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: of the center, exchange very brief words with him, and 126 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 3: then neutralize the threat. But to do all that without 127 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 3: a full picture of what she was confronting, and to 128 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 3: do so by herself, is just an incredible act of bravery. 129 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: After shooting Gauci, Scott drops to her knees and performs 130 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: cardiopulmonary resuscitation on him, trying to revive the man she's 131 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: just killed. 132 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 3: There's other images that emerged from people who are at 133 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 3: the center of Amy Scott performing similar CPR on people 134 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 3: inside the Chanelle store and elsewhere. I mean, this is 135 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 3: the kind of professionalism that we expect of police officers, 136 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: and so no, it's not a great, great surprise to 137 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: see her attempting to revive the person who had just 138 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 3: been shot, if nothing else than to attempt the resuscitation 139 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 3: so he can be brought to a hospital, charged with 140 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 3: an offense, and then put before a court and put 141 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,479 Speaker 3: through the process of justice. 142 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: Paramedics rush Ash Good and her baby out of the 143 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: center and to two separate hospitals, both going to surgery. 144 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: Doctor Good cannot be saved. At the time we were 145 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: producing this episode, her baby was still in hospital. Now, 146 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: Inspector Scott will go through a critical incident investigation. Here's 147 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: Johnny again. 148 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: Critical incident investigations are they're a particularly lonely place to 149 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 3: be if you're a police officer, and they usually run 150 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: in parallel to numerous other investigations. So obviously in this case, 151 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: there will be a homicide investigation into the murder and 152 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 3: attempted murder and grievous bodily harm incidents which have been 153 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: caused to nearly twenty people and then overlaying that there 154 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: will be this critical incident investigation, which is always triggered 155 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 3: whenever a member of the public has an interaction with 156 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 3: the police and dies in that confrontation. So firstly, everyone 157 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: involved has to be isolated from their colleagues. So in 158 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 3: this instance that's likely to include Amy Scott, but potentially 159 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 3: some of the other first responders at the scene. They're 160 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 3: not allowed to speak about what happened. They're essentially the 161 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: most important witness to the investigation, so their ability to 162 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: discuss the events with other people is extremely narrow and 163 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 3: that probably includes their loved ones. And that's also pretty 164 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: challenging when the events that they've been involved with are 165 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 3: so traumatic, as they often are. So they're treated by 166 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: other police officers fairly clinically, almost like a suspect would 167 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: be treated. And I know in the past that's been 168 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: the criticism of some police officers that I've spoken to 169 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 3: who've been involved in critical incidents with any like. The 170 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: police forces have updated their standard operating procedures, but for 171 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 3: all intents and purposes, they need to be treated fairly 172 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: clinically for the purpose of the coronial investigation. To say, 173 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 3: the least. 174 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: Six people died at Bondi Junction. Shoppers Ashley Good, Dawn, Singleton, Piccrea, Dacia, 175 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: Jade Young and Yishuan Cheng and security guard for us 176 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: to hear. Inspector Scott was hailed with a Bravery Award 177 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: from Commissioner Karen Webb. Joel Couchi's family also thanked Inspector 178 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: Scott for her service and apologized for the heartbreak caused 179 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: by their late son.