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Speaker 1: The city and with her with Kate Lenki podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hi, and welcome back to the Educate podcast. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to say to what, I know what we're back? Who

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Speaker 2: would have thought?

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Speaker 3: I know, it's Jess and Kate.

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Speaker 1: Good. Do you remember your own name?

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Speaker 3: But unfortunately we're without Lizzie.

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Speaker 2: Lizzie has a brand new role within the building here,

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Speaker 2: so we're gonna have to do it on our own

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: But she's left you very well educated. You're almost just

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Speaker 1: Kate at this point.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing about Lizzie I suppose is if

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Speaker 2: I need anything, she is only a phone call away.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Pooth, Yeah, one call away.

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Speaker 2: I knew exactly where she would be on the day

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Speaker 2: that the new album dropped.

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Speaker 1: Where was she listening? Yeah, I got a lot of

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Speaker 1: text messages. I think maybe ten past two she messaged

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Speaker 1: and said, Jess, it's really yeah. Been good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So no, shout out to Lizzie. She did wonderful work

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Speaker 1: on the pot. We miss her very much. Thanks Lizzie,

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Speaker 1: and also very excited Lizzie was that Elizabeth Taylor the

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Speaker 1: song got released, which was her name and Taylor's next

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Speaker 1: to each other. Okay, now, speaking of a personal connection

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Speaker 1: to Taylor. Should we talk a Taylor Swift like on Instagram?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Can we do that?

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Speaker 1: Okay? That would make my whole life.

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Speaker 2: The thing about this new album is that unfortunately or fortunately,

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Speaker 2: we were actually on a break from I've.

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Speaker 1: Broken up, but we were on a brad Well I

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Speaker 1: didn't think so thought so that was confusing.

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Speaker 2: We were on holidays the day the album dropped, and

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Speaker 2: all the who are around it very exciting that Taylor

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Speaker 2: almost I mean, I'm just going to say, slid into

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Speaker 2: your DMS.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't that.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'll take that.

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Speaker 3: I think there was some connection took us through it.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So yes, lots of hype leading up to the

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Speaker 1: album release. Ali, our digital producer, she bought a whole

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Speaker 1: show girl out that you actually wore for a video

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Speaker 1: that we did, which was very funny. Yes, I came

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Speaker 1: in and said what day is it? And you said

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Speaker 1: it's October third, which is of course the line from

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Speaker 1: Mean Girls. We use that audio. But you were wearing

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Speaker 1: a full on Taylor showgirl like album cover outfit, so

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Speaker 1: like orange headdress, feathers galore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you just quickly looked at your socials, you

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Speaker 2: may have thought it was Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 1: Well, it would have been it would have been a

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Speaker 1: very quick look.

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Speaker 2: I did love on that day being talked through TikTok.

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Speaker 2: I mean I had to jump.

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Speaker 1: On the band first, TikTok.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 1: Only took her three hours, yeah, which was good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The best bit was Kate was like, oh, and I

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Speaker 1: mouthed to the audio do I So that was? That

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Speaker 1: was beautiful. I loved that moment.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very for us.

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Speaker 1: No, so we we filmed that video. We had the

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Speaker 1: outfit and then Ali was just wearing it at her desk,

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Speaker 1: like Allie's a swifty too, And I thought it would

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Speaker 1: be funny if I just panned through the office everyone

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Speaker 1: else working at their desk, and then just zoomed in

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Speaker 1: on Ali dressed up the day before all the album

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Speaker 1: dropped ready, you know, to celebrate the life of a

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Speaker 1: show girl. And then I said myself, it's not till tomorrow, mate,

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Speaker 1: And then I put a little caption on it that

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Speaker 1: said it's getting harder and harder to spot the Swifties

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Speaker 1: in the office. Anyway, went viral on TikTok. It's done

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Speaker 1: a million views. People loved Taylor content. Who would have

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Speaker 1: thought the algorithm was pushing it and a Swiftiest page

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Speaker 1: Swiftiest for Eternity picked it up on Instagram, so they

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Speaker 1: took it from TikTok and put it up and then

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift liked it herself and it was honestly just

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Speaker 1: like the best day ever. As soon as I message

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Speaker 1: you that happened, bless you, you called me and then

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Speaker 1: you left me a voicemail and you were like, because

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize you were still on air, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because you were like, sorry, you're on air, but I've

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Speaker 2: And that's a big deal because I like, sometimes I

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Speaker 2: won't even reply, not to you, of course, but reply

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Speaker 3: I had to tell everyone I knew moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then normally in the car on the way home,

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Speaker 1: I called everyone I knew. I to tell them all

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Speaker 1: you know who didn't pick up whipper m hmm didn't hep.

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Speaker 1: That's the biggest neeze of my life mine is the

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Speaker 1: birth of my child. Yeah, biggest news of my life.

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Speaker 1: No no answer, no, not even a callback, because it

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Speaker 1: wasn't about him, I guess, so, yeah, you must have

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Speaker 1: known except a holidays, I'm off the clock from content.

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Speaker 3: What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Call?

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Speaker 2: But congratulations and now we're back the Life of the

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Speaker 2: show Girl.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure everybody has had a listen by it, of course.

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Speaker 1: If not, you know, twenty two thousand or something.

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Speaker 2: I've even got into that kind of cycle of having

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Speaker 2: found my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Tracks before the album came out. Once we had the tracks,

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Speaker 1: just the tracks, Yes, we went on.

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Speaker 2: It was the fun We went through and we pretty

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Speaker 2: much went through every track and we tried to guess

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Speaker 2: either what the lyrics would be, what the melody might be,

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Speaker 2: or you know, we gave it some of them before production,

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Speaker 2: what the whole thing might sound like. When you say we,

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Speaker 2: let's be very clear about the fact that Jess is

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Speaker 2: fun more. She knows Taylor inside out, upside down.

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Speaker 1: On her Instagram if that helps you, But do you.

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean, You've been following her for a

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Speaker 2: You're far more musical, and maybe you haven't done it

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Speaker 2: takes two.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, You're far more musical. You really throw yourself into

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Speaker 3: it a lot more. I was guided by you.

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Speaker 1: It was very really well for it. So this time.

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Speaker 1: You did a lot of percussion, a lot of beats.

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Speaker 1: You gave, you gave a lot of this is what

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking you might have had the lyrics like, But

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Speaker 1: six things I'm about to play you, they're so wrong. Like,

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Speaker 1: so much of it was so wrong, but we had

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun doing it. I thought I would

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Speaker 1: take you through the six examples of things we got.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say super right. I'm gonna say slightly right. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Now keep it in mind. That's close enough exactly. This

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Speaker 1: is what we do for every every time Taylor releases

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Speaker 1: new music. We kind of critique it in a way,

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Speaker 1: don't we wear We we put down what we think

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Speaker 1: I'm going to play a few little grabs of Taylor's

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Speaker 1: of songs, not too much to flag anything on Spotify hopefully,

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Speaker 1: but let's see how we go. We're copyright okay. So

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Speaker 1: this was us having a guess at what open LIGHTE

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Speaker 1: might sound like. Now, the very first thing that we

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Speaker 1: got very incorrect was we kept saying opolite, which just

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Speaker 1: feels like a rookie error. But this was us, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, a couple of weeks before the album dropped,

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Speaker 1: see me dark in the night. All I want to

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Speaker 1: do flick on the light. So they were all pretty

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Speaker 1: the same things. Onyx being black, we said dark in

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Speaker 3: Do we get closer?

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Speaker 1: Much closer?

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Speaker 1: I started there.

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Speaker 3: Is a long bow to draw.

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Speaker 1: We got a little bit closer. On wish list, I

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Speaker 1: would say, have a listen wish.

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Speaker 3: Wish list, we wish list, can you wish wish wish?

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Speaker 1: Oh wish wish wish list? I had you at the

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Speaker 1: tar wish wish list, never so come in wish list?

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Speaker 1: being running wish list. Start I wanted it wish list

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Speaker 1: like you Christmas wish list. That you're at the tar

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Speaker 3: It feels more fun when you're in it. That was

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Speaker 1: Obviously freaked out. It might even sound like that now

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Speaker 1: there wish wish list. That's as close as we got.

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Speaker 1: Listen to wish list, dumb wish, just swing on the

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Speaker 3: It's not knock on wood.

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Speaker 2: It's like and it's wood, as in like a tree,

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Speaker 1: if I knock knock on wood, touch wood? I don't

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Speaker 1: want it to go wrong. Well, that could be, and

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing you said, it's it's like

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Speaker 1: a tree, isn't it blood Yes, it was about a tree,

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Speaker 1: which was of course his his member in the.

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Speaker 3: End, but well, I mean, yeah, I didn't mention.

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Speaker 1: Thar though we didn't. That was weird. Yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 1: But that's because I have known her her whole career

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Speaker 2: In fact, I was touching my pearls when I the

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Speaker 2: home in my bedroom. I messaged you and said, not

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Speaker 2: quite sure how I'm going to explain this to my

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Speaker 2: eleven year old and you said.

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Speaker 1: Just refer to chicken. Yes, I did chicken thighs. Did

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Speaker 1: you do that in the end? Or you just haven't

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Speaker 1: let her listen? Do you know what I tend to

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Speaker 3: Loudly? Or go how was school today?

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Speaker 1: Well? If you need the radio at it or the

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Speaker 1: kid friendly, it's his love was the key that opened

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Speaker 1: my skies? Of course, yeah, which.

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Speaker 2: Makes perfect and it's as beautiful and maybe that's what

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Speaker 1: Potentially this is the Fitzi and Whipper with Cape Ritchie podcast.

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Speaker 1: We also had a stab at ruin the friendship. You

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Speaker 2: We grew up in high school. You're much better with

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Speaker 2: the beats we went to We went to high school

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Speaker 2: when we thought we were so cool.

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Speaker 1: Just then, Yeah, that's a beautiful song.

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Speaker 3: It is a beautiful song.

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Speaker 2: I think that we've heard from the young man's mother. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's not all right. Didn't we did.

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Speaker 4: Didn't, didn't go with that, didn't pretend you thought yourself?

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Speaker 1: Okay, didn't, didn't. Oh, I like it. My life up

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Speaker 4: When everyone turns off the light at night.

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Speaker 4: Show you what's behind the life of a show girl. Didn't.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god?

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Speaker 1: Okay, most of that not correct.

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Speaker 2: No, but by then we'd reached track twelve. Out of

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Speaker 2: contrast our minds. But the beak that you did.

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Speaker 1: Taylor's song. We got the beat exactly right. This is

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Speaker 4: You have no idea what it's like being my father's

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Speaker 1: All Right, we're coming for you, Taylor Swift. We want

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Speaker 1: that writing credit. Every eldest daughter was the first lamb

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Speaker 3: You're amazing.

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Speaker 1: I mean I just rhymed it, eldest daughter and slaughter.

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 2: But do you know what, like, I mean, we could

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Speaker 2: do that about everything. Let's just jump on board and claim,

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Speaker 2: just take it, take the credit.

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Speaker 1: Taking it.

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Speaker 2: Taylor has plenty of her own. She would rejoice in

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Speaker 2: the fact that we are getting joy from this, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is we share a vocabulary and she's very

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Speaker 1: welcome for that one. Just go with it, Just go

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Speaker 1: there you go. Six things we got right that when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me tell you.

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Speaker 2: What we recorded was lengthy, Yeah, and we got six.

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Speaker 1: Still. What's funny. When I went to the gym on

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Speaker 1: to Snitch to cut the audio. And a guy walked

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Speaker 1: the gymm He's probably like wondering, like what what what

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Speaker 1: I think he thought it was really weird. I was

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Speaker 3: Myself over it.

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Speaker 2: They wouldn't have he wouldn't have recognized me that, like

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Speaker 2: he's that gorgeous young woman on that and like.

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Speaker 1: Why does that sound exactly like Taylor seems?

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Speaker 3: Oh well, congratulations.

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Speaker 1: And congratulations to you.

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