1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: I'll get a team, your bloody champions. Welcome to another 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: installment of the You Project. It's fatty Harps, it's jumbo, 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: it's ripped in rock hard cook over there at typ 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Central with biceps like a man. You're allowed to say that, 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: Probably not, I hope. So all right. Gusa's waving is 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: nodding and shaking his head. 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 2: I would. There are plenty of people out there that way. 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: But we all take ourselves a bit too seriously, don't we. 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: I think we do. We'll too freely admit she is. 10 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: What's your current percentage of being a man? Thirty percent? 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty thirty five some days. 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: Thirty thirty five. Well that's funny because I'm thirty thirty 13 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: five percent woman. So between the three of us, who 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: knows what the fuck we are? Hi, Gus, welcome to 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: the You Project. 16 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Thank you for having me in 17 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: episode seventeen hundred and something. You eventually got to me. 18 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. 19 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, bottom of the barrel. But 20 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: we do what we can. No, that's not true. As 21 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: I said to you before, I just built up six 22 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: years of skill and knowledge and insights so that I 23 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: would be ready, So today's the day. 24 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: Okay, that's great. I'm looking forward to chatting to you, 25 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: and thanks for having me. 26 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: It's a pleasure. You are a big deal, as Melissa 27 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: said to me, Melissa is both of our bosses. She's 28 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: TIFF's boss and my loss. She's the actual boss. And 29 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: she said to me about three hours ago, remember you've 30 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: got Gus And I'm like, yep, She goes, do you 31 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: know who Guss is? I go a little bit, she goes, 32 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: you should do some research. He's a big deal. So 33 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: do you feel like a big deal? 34 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: No, not at all. And I love the fact that 35 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 2: what I'm doing has got some impact and people tell 36 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 2: me that, But no, not at all. There are times 37 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: where people recognize me and that's nice, but I'd much 38 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: prefer to just allow myself to get on and do 39 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: the work. But yeah, I'd be wrong to say that 40 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: I wasn't a little bit tough. When people come up 41 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: to you and say you've helped me and stuff, that's 42 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: a part of it, for sure. 43 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: When you set out in your media career or when 44 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: you started doing what you ended up doing. But in 45 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: the genesis of that, did you have any inkling or 46 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: idea or intention that you would have the reach and 47 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: impact that you did and do. 48 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: I think probably. I was thirty eight before I got 49 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: my first gig in media, so I'd already had a 50 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: bit of a life, three children, eight pregnancies to have 51 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: those children. My wife and I've been through a lot. 52 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: Wow. 53 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: And my wife is English, so she was always away 54 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 2: from home, or I was in England and I was 55 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 2: away from home, So there was a lot going on 56 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: in that thirty eight years. And I think that's why 57 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: it works so well. Initially when I got into medias 58 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: because I was actually an adult in adverted commerce and 59 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: it wasn't the make or break for me. But of 60 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: course you want it to be successful when someone gives 61 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 2: you an opportunity. And I'm glad as of last Thursday 62 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: it was sixteen years and I pulled the pin and 63 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: I'm very happy to be doing the next thing that 64 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: I'm meant to be doing. But now I'd never thought. 65 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 2: I remember Triple M said to me, if this doesn't 66 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: work this show, we're going to be the Triple M 67 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: label up. We're going to keep the frequency, but we're 68 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 2: going to call it something else because this is last 69 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: Chance Saloon and I'm happy to say that it worked 70 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: out really, really well, but I never really expected to 71 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: have it. But once you realize you've got it, then 72 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: you've got this soapbox to make a real difference, not 73 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: just to tell fart jokes and have fun on the radio. 74 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: You can actually stand up at some point and go 75 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 2: I believe in something, and I wonder if our loyal 76 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: audience will go with me. 77 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: So you're saying you're the Triple M Messiah that if 78 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 1: not for you? Is that what you're saying? Like you're 79 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: like the Jesus of the airways. 80 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: Hallelujah. There's no doubt in my mind that was the 81 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: co hosts as well as me, and as well as 82 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: a whole lot of as you know, smart people behind 83 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: the behind the man behind the microphone. 84 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: I do have a quick, quick, not that interesting story 85 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: about your co host, Jude Bolton. Is he still your 86 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: co host? 87 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: He was up until last Thursday. My brother jud absolutely, 88 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: he would. 89 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: Not remember me, but I remember him so when he 90 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: was a fledgling AFL player he had to play. His 91 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: part of his coming into the system was playing at 92 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: Port Melbourne in the VFL, right, and I was at 93 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: that stage the strength and conditioning coach for that team, 94 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: and I saw him run around and went, this bloke 95 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: doesn't belong here. He doesn't belong here. He's like fucking 96 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: way too good. So he ended up, of course, being 97 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: a superstar. But how do you know, mate, when like 98 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: sixteen years and it's not like things are going bad 99 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: for you, Like things are still going great, radio is 100 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: going great. I assume it seems to me we're in 101 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: a different state. But I only hear and read great things, 102 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: Like how do you know when it's time to step 103 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: away from something? What's happening? 104 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: Like? 105 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 1: Is it emotional? Is it psychological? Is there a light bulb? 106 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: Is it a gradual thing? Is it a moment in time? 107 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: I think for me last year, I signed a one 108 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: year deal. And every time you're in this gig, you 109 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: want to get the longest deal you possibly can because 110 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: that gives you security and it gives you, Oh, I've 111 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: got the next two or three years lined up, empty nesters, 112 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: now got your for life. My foundation is going from 113 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: strength to strength. So I said, I'm going to go 114 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: for a one year deal and see what happens. And 115 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: I was always going to do one year that I 116 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 2: got a little bit of like, oh God, I'm going 117 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: to muck this up if I if I don't do 118 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: another couple of years, I've got a bit scared. And 119 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 2: eventually I said, nope, no, I'm doing it. And I 120 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: was at Rio Tinto in northern Western Australia watching a 121 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: sunrise one morning because I was up because of the 122 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: time difference from Sydney, and it was a beautiful orange 123 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: sky and I was about to go and see these 124 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: bunch of miners and talk about mental fitness, and I went, 125 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: I feel alive. I feel this is what I should 126 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: be doing. And I kept thinking about all the content 127 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: for the radio show that I had to do the 128 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: next time I was on it, and I thought, you 129 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: know what, I got two masters now, and I'm not 130 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 2: probably doing justice to either. So at one point he's 131 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: got to a call. So I rang the missus and 132 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: she said go for it, and so yeah, I got 133 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: your for life now. As my foundation is my full 134 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: time gig. I'm just back from Perth this morning, where 135 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: I've been there for the weekend and I love doing that. 136 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to miss the radio. I'm going to miss 137 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: my team. And it's never say never, right, It's just 138 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: for the time being. That's that's what I've decided. 139 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: Okay, So tell us about gotcha for life? 140 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: I lost a maid of mine, a mentor. He took 141 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: his own life on the day that his third and 142 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: final child finished their final exams. 143 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: Wow. 144 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: And I did nothing about it. For many many years. 145 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: I had worked with him. He was my mentor, father figure, 146 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: loved him and seemed to be type of bloke that 147 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: we all know that just ticks every box look and bloke, 148 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: married children, status inside of work, outside of work, had 149 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: it all and absolutely not just all for six. I 150 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: did nothing about it for many years, and then eventually 151 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: I spoke about him on my Brecky radio show team 152 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: on Triple M and Sydney, and the next ninety minutes 153 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: people rang up saying me too, I've got a story 154 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 2: like that. And it made me realize how many people 155 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: worry alone and this man up, shut up is not 156 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: working for us. And then I looked at the stats 157 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: around suicide and depression and anxiety and I couldn't believe it. 158 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: So I was able to get some money from the 159 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: ABC did a show called man Up, which challenged masculinity 160 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: and why we lose so many blokes to suicide. And 161 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: then off the back of that, my wife and I 162 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: literally in this room here at our home started gotcha 163 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: for life, and I just want everyone to find someone 164 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: who's got you for life. You can have that, Watson, 165 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: all conversation with These conversations can change your life, but 166 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: we don't know how to have them. So we need 167 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: to learn how to have these conversations of gravity. We're 168 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: very comfortable in banter because we practiced that. Yes, so 169 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: this emotional muscle in our melon needs to be worked 170 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: and I call it mental fitness rather than mental health. 171 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: And I want to have a positive conversation around this 172 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: and get the suicide breat down to zero. At the moment, 173 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: we lose nine Aussies a day and we have one 174 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: attempt every eight minutes. So I don't want to live 175 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: in Australia like that. So got your flight. We started. 176 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: We've raised just over twenty million bucks, no government funding. Wow, 177 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: it's all mums and dads five bucks, ten bucks, twenty bucks, 178 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: and a couple of big corporations who have gone I 179 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: love your simple, less clinical way of looking at mental fitness, 180 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: so we're going to get behind you. 181 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: That is amazing, mate, Those numbers are bloody incredible twenty 182 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: million dollars. And I know this is not about you, 183 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: but well done you, I mean that is and I 184 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: know you're not doing it forraccolades or recognition or attention 185 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: or approval, but fuck, that's amazing. And yeah, I think 186 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: it is interesting that what you said. It's like, I 187 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: really I think you said something like a practical approach. 188 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, there's so much especially when it comes 189 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 1: to mental health. There's so much research and more research, 190 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: and let's throw money at research and let's do another 191 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: fucking study and let's come out with some more findings 192 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: from this, and we need all of that. But at 193 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: the same time, give someone a fucking hug, have a chat, 194 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: have a conversation, ask someone how they feel, and so 195 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: why has it been so successful? Like what is it that? 196 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: Why does it work where so many don't. 197 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: What you said is right, Clinical is not the way 198 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: to go. Human is the way to go. And especially 199 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: when you talk to men, as soon as you talk 200 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 2: about mental health, they feel like they're about to be 201 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: told off. You said, there's something wrong with me, and 202 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: that's not the case at all. In fact, we've just 203 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: been taught to man up and shut up and get 204 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: on with it. And it's just wrong. Every TV ad 205 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: we see, every movie, TV show, it's all about the 206 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: bloke dealing with the stuff and getting on with it. 207 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: You know. It's like, it's just not what it's like 208 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 2: in reality. And it's not just a men's issue. It 209 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: started off that way for sure. We lose seven men 210 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: a day in Australia, we lose two women. Most of 211 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: the people that are attempt to women. So this is 212 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: a problem that's a human issue. I did a TED 213 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: talk in Vancouver the last couple of years and I'm like, 214 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: every single person is the same, no matter what color, 215 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: what race, what language you speak. We're all human beings 216 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: and we need connection and we need to feel confident 217 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: to stick your hand up and ask for help. And 218 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: we've been told basically all our lives that that is weak. 219 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: And if you had a process that led you to 220 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: what we get, you would change that process in business. 221 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: So why aren't we changing it in life? I use 222 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: the World Health Organization numbers when I did my TED talk, 223 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 2: nineteen hundred and twenty people a day take their life 224 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 2: in forty thousand attempt Now, I don't want to live 225 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: in in a world like that. I've got three children 226 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: with empty nesters now, kid's two in London, one in Canada. 227 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: I want them to live their life and feel that 228 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: they can talk to someone warts and all find that 229 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 2: village of people around you. See, you're not worrying alone 230 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: about stuff. So let's keep it as simple as that. 231 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: To keep it as simple as that, it's not clinical. Well, 232 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: it's not mental health. It's mental fitness, just like our 233 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: physical fitness. We can give you exercises to work on 234 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: it to get better. And it's not easy, believe me, 235 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 2: it's not easy. But start with a simple who are 236 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: my people? Yes, my village, who's my tribe? Who's my team? 237 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: And get see him on board with you know what. 238 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to come to you with some stuff because 239 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: I'm bumbling and fumbling my way through here. I've got 240 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 2: some stuff worked out, other stuff not so much. Can 241 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: you do the same with me? And that way our 242 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: little village will always look after each other. It seems simple, 243 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: but it's bloody hard to do to get the words 244 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: out to ask for that help. They get stuck here. 245 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: We need to we need to get people to have 246 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: those conbos. 247 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: He's not quite passionate enough. Tif isy. 248 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, he needs to work on that. 249 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: It needs to fire up. He needs to find some 250 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: passion because I'm getting nothing made. No, I fucking love it. 251 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: It's great, it's great. It's like, this is what I love. 252 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: Like I said to you, and you didn't need me 253 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: to brief you, but I said everyone before, with most guests, 254 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: nearly every guest, I say, it's not an interview, it's 255 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: a conversation. And that's what I love. You know what 256 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: else is? And this one comes any. 257 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: Surprise to you. 258 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: But speaking of research, there's lots of research out now 259 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: suggesting that, Like when so my background as an exercise scientist, right, 260 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: I'll talk about health and wellness and fitness, and you know, 261 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: talk a lot about lifestyle and sleep and nutrition and 262 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: exercise and the relationship between that those variables and longevity 263 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: and health span and immune system. And what we now 264 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: know is that loneliness and disconnection and mental and emotional 265 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: devastation are more problematic from a physical health point of 266 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: view than bad lifestyle behaviors. You know, it's like being lonely, 267 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: feeling unseen, unloved, unwanted, unvalued. That actually has a real 268 00:12:55,160 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: physical consequence in terms of people's predisposition to getting sick 269 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: and diseased and even their immune system as we can 270 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: because everything psychologically or mentally we can say emotionally and 271 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: physiologically is intertwined. And so when you connect with the 272 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: person inside the body, not the body, but connect with 273 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: the human you know, then you're actually not ondoing the 274 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: obvious thing, which is supporting them emotionally and mentally, but 275 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: also you're literally doing something good for their physical health, 276 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: which people don't really think about too much. 277 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: I love the link between the physical fitness and the 278 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: mental fitness, and that's what I talked to kids about. 279 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: We saw over two hundred thousand kids last year doing programs, 280 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: and when you talk about mental fitness, you see them 281 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: nodding along. Yeah, we've just started to mentally fit primary 282 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: schools program. We've got four schools, we'll have twenty next year. 283 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: Kids are nodding along. They get it, and then they 284 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: start making a little song up where they can do 285 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: their muscles like that around mental fitness, and it just 286 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 2: connects people. And I think we're going to learn from 287 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: the youngsters. The oldies will learn from the youngsters with 288 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 2: this because there's so much better than we were. And 289 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: I love the thought of that. I love the thought 290 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: of mental fitness being a subject at school. So many 291 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 2: subjects that are there because they've always been there, because 292 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 2: that's what we do. We tick a box to get 293 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: to the end, to get us a mark, to get 294 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: us into an exam, or get us into a unicorse, 295 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: or get us into whatever. Let's start having some practical 296 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: subjects that actually help the boys and girls, the men 297 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: and the women. You know, That's that's what drives me nuts, 298 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: is that I feel like it's an approach that we 299 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: can deal with and we're just not doing it enough. 300 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. My PhD research is around, loosely 301 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: around understanding others, you know, understanding. So there's a thing 302 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: in psychology called theory of mind, which just means your ability, 303 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: my ability to be able to understand someone else's version 304 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: of reality, essentially their psychological and or emotional version of 305 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: right now, not necessarily agree with it or align with it, 306 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: but understand it. And you know, I think Stephen Covey 307 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: and a bunch of others said, seek first to understand 308 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: and then to be understood, Right, is it like when 309 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: I can understand you, like I work with addx and alcoholics, 310 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: many of them over the years, and I've never had 311 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: booze and I've never had drugs. But because I've spent 312 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: so much time with people struggling with addiction, I understand them, 313 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: I love them, and I don't need to drink or 314 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: use to be able to connect because I you know. 315 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: And that's that. If you just come from that place 316 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: of not trying to judge, not trying to evaluate, not 317 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: trying to label, but just understand, knowing that you won't 318 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: align on everything with people, it just opens a door 319 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: and it opens this conduit for connection. And when people 320 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: feel seen and loved, even though they might not live 321 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: the values you live or the lifestyle you live, like 322 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: that creates something special that, as you said, in all 323 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: the clinical stuff doesn't really happen. 324 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: I mean curiosity to go on top of what you 325 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: just did there, which of course I agree with, and 326 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: I tip my lid to you for working in that 327 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: area curiosity. As soon as I started becoming curious rather 328 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: than oh no, that's not the way it is. It's 329 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: like I lived in this bubble for years, you know, 330 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: me losing my friend and going on this journey and 331 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: starting the man Up program and having enough guts to 332 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: talk about it on radio and to realize how many 333 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: other people worry alone this whole journey. Now I'm curious 334 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: to find out why people are doing certain things, or 335 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: why they feel a certain way, or why they say 336 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: a certain way. Where As before I lived in this 337 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: bubble where I was very judgmental and my parenting was 338 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: old school, because that's what I've learned from my mum 339 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: and dad. So yeah, that opening it up to curiosity 340 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 2: is well. I think made my life so much better 341 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: and has given me an opportunity, I think to understand 342 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: and work better with people, which will allow me to 343 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: make gotcha more successful? 344 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting? Mate? When you grow up in a 345 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: certain paradigm or a certain and kind of culture or 346 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: collective mindset, which we all do, right, We've all got parents, 347 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: We all grew up in a particular social group or 348 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 1: cultural or religious or whatever, and essentially your worldview is 349 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: their worldview. You know, by the time you're twenty, you 350 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: think and believe essentially what your parents thought and believed. 351 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: Because we for the most part, we don't choose our beliefs, 352 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: they just become our beliefs. You know, almost like by 353 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: cognitive osmosis, we just absorbed them, right. But then you 354 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: get to the point where I'm listening to a really 355 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: interesting book at the moment. Do you know what's his name? 356 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: Is it? Tom Tilley? 357 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? I know Tom? Yeah he is. He's a media guy. 358 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: You're talking. 359 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, So he wrote a book called Speaking in Tongues, 360 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: and it's really interesting about him growing up in this 361 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: very strict Pentecostal you know, not Pentecostal, but very orthodox, 362 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: you know church with anyway, the whole thing, which is 363 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: not totally dissimis and not dissimilar to my story. So 364 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated with it. But just this idea of what 365 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: do I know or what do I think or what 366 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: do I believe that that hasn't been programmed into me? 367 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: Like what if you can overcome? Like what where does 368 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: my programming and finish finish? And where do I start? 369 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: You know? 370 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: Then you know that I feel like you start to 371 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: think for yourself and look at the world through a 372 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: different lens, one other than the one that's been created 373 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: for you. 374 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. That's a really good point, really good point, I 375 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 2: think personally, certainly in that first twenty odd years or so. 376 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 2: I was one of those kids. My dad left the 377 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 2: family home when I was quite young, I realized and 378 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 2: that he left my mum for a man. I didn't 379 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: work that out until I was in my late teens. 380 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: I was just jump into the box, right, I'm safe 381 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: in the box. I will get my Mirite certificate at 382 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 2: the end of term, I will make the team. If 383 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: I go to practice, I will do all that stuff. 384 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: And it's probably from my early twenties where I started 385 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 2: to try to work stuff out for myself and got 386 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: a bit more curious, and then certainly from forty five 387 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: and I'm fifty six in December. The last ten years, 388 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: this journey I've been on, I've certainly stripped back a 389 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: lot of the stuff, but I think was just put 390 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 2: into me. And I've actually now got to the point 391 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 2: where I can teach my children what I've gone through, 392 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 2: and I'm very open for them to have a different opinion. 393 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 2: I suppose that's something that didn't happen in our generation, 394 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 2: when we were more just sort of sheepish. 395 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: Well, I'm only thirty two, so I don't know what 396 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: you're talking about, But okay, sure hard, you know I've 397 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: done it hard. Bro, I've done a lot of trauma. 398 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: Something wrong with this zoom it's really quite working. 399 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Tip's only twenty one, she's at a shocker, so. 400 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: Don't very involved. 401 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: All right, all right, I think we're both throwing me 402 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: under the bus and I fucking love it. So tell 403 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: me one thing in this whole kind of journey of 404 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: doing new things and learning new things and unlearning old things, 405 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: what's something you needed to unlearn to build what you've built? 406 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, certainly the most important thing that I talk 407 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: about all the time is don't worry alone. And there's 408 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: so many men and women, boys and girls that I 409 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 2: talk to that worry alone all the time, and they 410 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: don't quite know how to not worry alone about it. 411 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: It's so embedded in their gut that they've pushed it 412 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: down so much that's got to the point where they 413 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: don't know how to actually communicate that to someone that 414 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 2: they need the help. And also they don't feel they've 415 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: got permission to ask for the help. So breaking that 416 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 2: particular thing down will be a huge part of building 417 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: mental fitness, I believe. And there's been moments where I've 418 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: bumbled and fumbled and with not running out of my 419 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: nose and tears running out of my eyes. Actually got 420 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 2: something out to a group of mates and they've just 421 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: all stopped and gone, mate, I had no idea. I 422 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: thought you were flying, or I thought you had that 423 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 2: part of your life dealt with. We know you've always 424 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 2: working on stuff, but we really thought that wasn't an 425 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 2: issue for you. And then, of course the first sentence 426 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: I get out is the hardest, and everything else then 427 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: becomes easier, especially when you've got people around you that 428 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: you love. I've spent so much time in my life 429 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 2: building this village of mates that I can have these 430 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: warts and all conversations with and there's no judgment. And 431 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 2: they all don't agree with me, they all throw up 432 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: different curve balls at me, but the conversation is real 433 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: and it's with love and that sort of stuff, and 434 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 2: that's what I believe we need. We talk in the 435 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: time all the time around Australia. We've got all these mates, mates, mates, mates. Well, 436 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: we've got people we drink with, we've got people we 437 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 2: go to the footy with, we go people we party with. 438 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 2: But how many people do we actually have in our 439 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 2: lives that you can actually go I need your help 440 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: over here and having those real conversations. And it's not 441 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: because we don't necessarily want to that we don't know 442 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: how to do it. Are you okay? You came up 443 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: with the slogan, and I love are you Okay? Don't 444 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: get me wrong. I work with them a lot around 445 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 2: their time of year, and it says a conversation can 446 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: save a life. Absolutely it can. But how do you 447 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 2: have the conversation? How do you start the conversation? That's 448 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 2: what gotcha life is trying to do, and that's what 449 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: I'm very, very proud of. But to answer you, that's 450 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 2: a long way of answering that question, I suppose, But 451 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: really it's getting vulnerable and leading with vulnerability rather than thinking, 452 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 2: oh no, I'm not going to do that because that's 453 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: traditionally not the way to do it. Nah, that's not 454 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 2: for me, and that's not for the world I'm trying 455 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 2: to help change. 456 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I think something that people find 457 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: interesting about people like you, And I could be wrong, 458 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: but myself, I do a lot of corporate speaking. I'm 459 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: in front of audiences more than a hundred times a year, 460 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: so I'm in front of groups, big groups, little groups, 461 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: and when I tell people that I'm insecure, I'm an overthinker, 462 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: or I've got self doubt, or I can self sabotage, 463 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: or you know, like people think because people like you 464 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: and I paps are articulate and we can string a 465 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: few words together and we can do what we do 466 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: with some sense of competence and confidence that you don't 467 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: have any doubt or any fear or I'm like, no, 468 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm just as insecure as ever. Just I'm just fucking 469 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: great at I can string a few words together. It 470 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that there's no self doubt or self loathing 471 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: or imposter syndrome. That shit, shit happens all the time. 472 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: But for me, it's been able to co manage, you know, 473 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: the emotional stuff which is fear based, with also the data, 474 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: the knowledge that well, Craig, you can do this because 475 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: you've done it before and you're not the best, but 476 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: you're not terrible. 477 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 2: Right. 478 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: So it's like, because I think some people think, oh, 479 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: if people knew what went on in my head, ah, 480 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: people I'd think I was this or that, But that's 481 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: essentially all of us. 482 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had it coming on to your show today. 483 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: So a little bit of research that my team did 484 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: with you is that it's a top rated science podcast, right, 485 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: and that whole word science is like, oh god, I 486 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 2: haven't done that since I've been at school, and throw 487 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: all these cuples at me that I won't be able 488 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 2: to explain in the way that I like to explain it, 489 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: and will his podcast listeners, his loyal listeners not like 490 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 2: the fact that I'm not sort of clinical or scientist 491 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 2: in that sort of way. So that was one thing 492 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 2: I had this morning. Also at the moment at Gotcha 493 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: for Life, we're building a team of speakers that can 494 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: go out and chat. They're more facilitators because it's back 495 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: and forth. But the best thing I ever did was 496 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 2: actually say to them how scared I get. And it's 497 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: true scared when I get up in front of people, 498 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: or the thought of getting up in people. The actual 499 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,239 Speaker 2: getting up doesn't seem to be that bad in the end. 500 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: I remember getting up in front of a big crowd 501 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: once and I was petrified all the way there, you know, 502 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 2: had a little bit of road rage on the way 503 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: there because I wasn't thinking clearly and all that. And 504 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: then I got to the place and I walked up 505 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 2: and I shook the hand of the organizer, and she said, good, Hey, 506 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear you speaking. Everything just flowed 507 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 2: and I'm like, why do I put myself through all 508 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: this mental trauma? No, you can do it. You've done 509 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: it before. And talk about imposter syndrome. There's people that 510 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 2: I know that are super famous who go through exactly 511 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: the same thing, Like when is this ride going to finish? 512 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 2: When someone going to just push me off the board 513 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: and go, Okay, you've had your fun, but we've actually 514 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 2: worked out that you're not very good at this. It's 515 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 2: just that's just the way it is. And I think 516 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 2: if we can conquer that emotion that we put ourselves 517 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: through before we actually do it, you'd be a billionaire 518 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 2: if you could bottle that. 519 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: And I think it's also it's okay to go I'm scared, 520 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: and that's all right. I feel like a fraud, and 521 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: that's all right. I don't like if I sit at 522 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: home and until I feel fucking good enough, I'm never 523 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: doing any I'm never leaving the house. 524 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more. And when I told 525 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 2: that group of got to fight guys and girls that 526 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: we're building at the moment, that's the one thing they 527 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: remembered from like an hour's chat was like, get you 528 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 2: get scared You're worried about what you're going to do, 529 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 2: And I'm like absolutely, and they went, well, thank god 530 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: for that, because I feel the same way that we 531 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: can then work on it and it'll be okay. It's 532 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: that leading with vulnerability piece that I keep going back to. 533 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: So funny that your team told you it's high rating 534 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: sign show and I'm about as sophisticated as a fucking moccasin, 535 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: So that's it's still it's funny. 536 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: It's funny you should say that because when we had 537 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: the chat with Fifth before we all started, I soon 538 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: realized that all those worries I had, I shouldn't have 539 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 2: worried about. 540 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. So I feel like this could be wrong, 541 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 1: But just looking from from the outside looking in, I 542 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: feel like you're moving away, sort of moving away from 543 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: career and moving into purpose. 544 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. Purpose is key for me. I felt like I've 545 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: moved there. But as I said earlier, I've had two 546 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: masters for too long. And you can't have a top 547 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 2: rated drive show and not be one hundred percent at 548 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: the races, and you can't be running a small foundation 549 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: that's trying to play with the big guns. Yea without 550 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: your full attention. But the purpose part of me really 551 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: started when I said yes to the Man Up program, 552 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: because that was the next step from me just talking 553 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: to my very company radio audience sitting in my studio. 554 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I was out there asking questions 555 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 2: of Ossie's and not knowing what the answers would be. 556 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 2: And that's when I realized that this is not just 557 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 2: a job, This is not just hosting a TV show. 558 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 2: This this is the real deal. And now eight years 559 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: on from that, I'm so pleased that I had the 560 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: to keep going for it. You know, and your work 561 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: in suicide prevention. I don't think there's a more important 562 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 2: conversation to be had. So that's that purpose comes to 563 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: you real quick. 564 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: Within the context of the charity. It's charity, right, so 565 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: I call it that. 566 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, foundation charity foundation? 567 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: Do you have KPIs like in a business like do 568 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: you have do you say this is where we I 569 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: don't know the particular outcomes that you want to did 570 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: it just put on the Doris Day filter. 571 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 2: Tip, I think so, I don't know what's going on there. 572 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 2: So it's coming back is that maybe it's bloody hot 573 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 2: in Sydney at the moment, so it might be just 574 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: a bit hot. 575 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, liked do you kind of run it in 576 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: a way like a business, not in terms of trying 577 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: to make dough for yourself, but in terms of the 578 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: way that it runs. 579 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: Definitely, like I reckon the first few years, it was 580 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 2: all about whatever money comes in, money's got to go 581 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: out straight out to the people that we're that we 582 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 2: have trusted to put the work in. And then there 583 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: was a shift a couple of years ago where we 584 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: have to actually build the foundation to make sure that 585 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: we have the right foundations in the foundation. That's a 586 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: lot of foundations to make sure that we're around for 587 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: the next whatever. And it's not just going to be 588 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: me and my wife, it's going to be the next 589 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: lot of people and so forth. So there's a lot 590 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 2: that goes into that, and there's a lot of feeling 591 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: of like, oh, I want to give every cent away. Well, 592 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: I'll do much better work in five years time if 593 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 2: I put some good people in there with me now 594 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,239 Speaker 2: working with it. So that's the dilemma that you have 595 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 2: as long as you are giving most of the money 596 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 2: away more than most. Then I'm fine with it. It's 597 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 2: the way of making sure that you are bigger in 598 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: the future to make even more of an impact. 599 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: I reckon if you're building you know, you're building a 600 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: charity or a foundation, or a business or a program, 601 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: or you're writing a book or you're trying to get 602 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,479 Speaker 1: a podcast off the ground or whatever. It is like 603 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: you're taking a theoretical something in your head and turning 604 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: it into a real thing in the world that people 605 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: can interact with. Yeah, like there are similar there. There's 606 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, like before the You Project, which goes okay, 607 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 1: I had three other shows that didn't you know, and 608 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,959 Speaker 1: trying to and even for this the first six hundred episodes, 609 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: I was losing money and so trying to figure out 610 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: how do I do a good thing and not go broke? 611 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: How do I how do I have something that's commercially 612 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: viable but also people like it's good to listen to. 613 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: It's a bit of fun. There's some good information and inspiration, 614 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: but it's not you know, that whole kind of what 615 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: did you get wrong? Like what did you without throwing 616 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: you or anyone under the bus, what did you fuck up? 617 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: And what did you think, why did I think that 618 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: would work? 619 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose when you're like I've always been a 620 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 2: one start before you're ready, because if you, like you 621 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: said before, if you waited at your home, you'd never 622 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: get out. You never do anything right. So you just 623 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: have a crack get out there. And that's when the 624 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 2: mistakes made. Having people that you know that our mate's 625 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: involved initially as the board members or as advisors, that 626 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: type of stuff. That's not the way it is now 627 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 2: for me. If you look at my board now, there 628 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: are a bunch of people that have got particular skills 629 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: that they may not be the greatest mates, but they're 630 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: absolutely committed to gotcha for life and so forth. So 631 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: that is one thing that I did, absolutely realizing that 632 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: we have to go younger, like we've been targeting fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, 633 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: seventeen year olds, which is absolutely required, but we've really 634 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 2: got to get into primary school. So we've just started 635 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 2: that mental primary school situation. So there's just learnings as 636 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 2: you go along. So I don't call them fuck ups 637 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 2: as much as oh gave that a crack That worked 638 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: for a lot of them, but not absolutely where we 639 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: need to go now. And of course you haven't got 640 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: all the money in the world right, you're literally always 641 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: out like Oliver, So it's like more please. So whatever 642 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 2: I can get with that, I've got to put into something, 643 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 2: which means you've got to drop a few things and 644 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: focus on others. But I wouldn't call the mistakes as 645 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: much as just learnings along the way. And if you're 646 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: not doing that, then you're probably not having enough of 647 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: a crack. Like That's the other thing that I have 648 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,479 Speaker 2: to keep talking to people about is that we're trying 649 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: to literally change the world here. Every single nation, every 650 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 2: single culture basically has this not when it comes to 651 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 2: being vulnerable. Yes, we have to try to change that. 652 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: And where it's a little you know foundation in Australia. 653 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 2: So how we're going to do that, Well, I get 654 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: on the TED stage. That's good because millions of people 655 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 2: watch that. That's bloody great. What else can I do? 656 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 2: I got invited to talk to the un Well, I'm 657 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: going to do that. That'll be bloody great because a 658 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: few people watch that. Being authentic and real along this journey, 659 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: but picking the moments to really have a crack when 660 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 2: you've got a chance, and then hopefully not having imposter 661 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 2: syndrome and stuffing it up, you know, hoping you have 662 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 2: your best day when you have those moments gifted to you. 663 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: Now, I had a squizze at your your podcast. I 664 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: had to listen, and I don't want to be disparaging, 665 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: but I feel like it's just an excuse for you 666 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: to hang out with your friends. I feel like it's 667 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: a bit of bullshit because it's just you and your 668 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: famous fucking friends hanging out. And I'm very jealous TIV. 669 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: So you know that you're a big deal when your 670 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: first guest is one of the biggest movie stars in 671 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: the world. Right, Well, that's just not fucking fair. That's 672 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: like being on Oh I've got a podcast also, I'm 673 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: on steroids. 674 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 2: I mean, it was fun to have jack O obviously 675 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: on the first one. But we've been best mates since kindergarten, 676 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 2: and we went to Pimball Public together. Then we left 677 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 2: there and the fourth grade and went the last two 678 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 2: years of a prep school, then a senior school. Then 679 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 2: we did our gap year, you know, in each other's 680 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 2: wedding parties, godfathers to each other's firstborn. So yeah, we've 681 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: I mean, Hugh Jackman obviously would be well known to 682 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 2: your listeners, but to me, he's just literally Jacko and 683 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: someone who I call a brother of another mother. And 684 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 2: it was important to hit the podcast world with a 685 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 2: bit of a sledgehammer, and it was nice to have him. 686 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 2: But to be honest with you, I've enjoyed every single 687 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 2: one of those conversations and the fact that Shaw and 688 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 2: Partners who support me, they give ten thousand dollars to 689 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 2: any guest, and that guest has to give it to 690 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 2: a charity. I mean, I don't think there's another podcast 691 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 2: in the world that has that type of thing. So 692 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 2: of course it makes people go, well, how can I 693 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 2: possibly say no to a forty minute conversation where I 694 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 2: can give ten thousand dollars to a cause I love. 695 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 2: So I'm in a very lucky situation, Craig. So don't 696 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 2: don't don't think that I don't know. 697 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: That, mate, I'm fucking with you. I listened to a 698 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: couple and it's really good and we've had a few 699 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: common guests. One of my favorite guests in seventeen hundred 700 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: plus was Charlie Teo, and I see you had him 701 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: on as well. 702 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's absolute learn a tick, but he's crazy but 703 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 2: he's opirational. 704 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: Crazy man. 705 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 2: If I had something wrong with someone that I loved 706 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 2: or myself, I know I'd be calling. 707 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: So just quickly everyone the show is called Not an 708 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 1: Overnight Success, will wind up mate. But of course success 709 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 1: is different things to different people, and it's not always 710 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: a thing. Sometimes it's a combination of things. But from 711 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: the host of Not an Overnight Success, what is success 712 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: for you? 713 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 2: That's a really good question. It's never linear, that's for sure, 714 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 2: and that's probably what my podcast is about. You know. 715 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 2: It's like, very rarely do you go from A to B. 716 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 2: There's always rabbit holes and sniper shots from left, right 717 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 2: and center. But the people that tend to succeed are 718 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: the ones that never ever give up. So that has 719 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 2: been a big part of what I'm trying to do 720 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 2: in my life, never giving up of the dream of 721 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 2: zero suicides. And I know that I've said that out 722 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 2: loud plenty of times and I get how down for it. 723 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 2: But one's too many, right, So one's too many, then 724 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 2: it's got to be zero, and I've got to be 725 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 2: working towards that. So tess for me is a lot 726 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 2: of things I would like to think if you interviewed 727 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 2: my three kids that they would say, I wouldn't want 728 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 2: anyone else to be my dad. Yeah, and that is 729 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 2: true success. Whether you get the same answer from my 730 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 2: wife of thirty years, whether she'd say, oh, like I 731 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 2: sawt of think the other day, if the person that 732 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 2: you're sleeping with is not the most annoying person in 733 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 2: your life and you haven't got the right one right. 734 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 2: So that made me feel really good because I'm like, 735 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 2: I'm sure that I'm that for my wife. So there's 736 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 2: a whole lot of things. I love being my dad, 737 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 2: love being a good hubby. As you can tell, I 738 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 2: can't imagine a world continuing with these suicide rates. So 739 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to do whatever I can to fix that 740 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 2: or to help with that, and that would be success. 741 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 2: But I've got a lot of personal stuff that I 742 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 2: always want to be working on, and that'll keep me busy. 743 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: Truly, you are an inspiration and such a good bloke 744 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: and it's a pleasure for us and an honor for 745 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: us to chat with you on our humble little show 746 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: where Hugh Jackman is never fucking coming near this show, 747 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: but we appreciate. We'll say goodbye a fair but mate, 748 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: really appreciate you for having the chat on the you project. 749 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 2: My pleasure see you, Tiff, Thanks Greg. 750 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 1: Thank you. All right everyone, I've jumped back in, sorry 751 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: about that. We were going to say goodbye, and then 752 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: I realized that i'd selfishly I was thinking about my 753 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: chicken sandwich, and I'd thrown Gus out the door before 754 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: I could let him share with you how you can 755 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: connect with him and find out what he's doing. So, mate, 756 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: I apologize for that, But what would you like to 757 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: share with our team? 758 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 2: You don't need to apologize at all, mate, I was 759 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 2: enjoying the chat. I forgot about it too, So I 760 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 2: mean in terms of gotcha for life, it's got your 761 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 2: for life dot org. We've got a mentally fit Jim 762 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 2: so Mentalfitnessjim dot org, which is free. You can just 763 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,720 Speaker 2: click on there and or give you a little mental 764 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,479 Speaker 2: fitness tips and stuff. And I've also got a book 765 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 2: coming out called Boys Do Cry, and it's about a 766 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 2: little boy. It's sort of set for sort of three, four, five, 767 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 2: six seven year olds, but I'm hoping the parents or 768 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 2: the cares might get a little tip along the way. 769 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 2: It starts with a little boy who goes to school 770 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 2: and a space and a space shift lends on his toe, 771 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 2: which is not a great start to your day, and 772 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 2: then his day doesn't get any better, and it goes 773 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 2: through a bit of a process until eventually he realizes, 774 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 2: if I just show my emotions, my life might get 775 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 2: a little better, or my day might get a little better. 776 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 2: So it's only twelve bucks. You can pre order it anywhere, 777 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 2: and I'm very proud of that that comes out in February, 778 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 2: so there might be something for any of the listeners 779 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 2: that have got younger kids. It's called Boys Do Cry, 780 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, any help would be great. Every single cent 781 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 2: of that book will go straight to Gotcha for Life, 782 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 2: so you'll be sort of helping a good cause. 783 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 1: Mate, We appreciate you, and for the second time, thanks 784 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: for being on the You Project.