1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: I'll get a team, your bloody champions. Welcome to another 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,039 Speaker 1: installment of the You Project. It's fatty Harps, it's jumbo, 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: it's ripped in rock hard cook over there at typ 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Central with biceps like a man. You're allowed to say that, 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Probably not, I hope. So all right, Gusa's waving is 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: nodding and shaking his head. 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 2: I would, but plenty of people out there that way. 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: But we all take ourselves a bit too seriously, don't we. 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: I think we do. We'll too freely admit is what's 10 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: your current percentage of being a man? Thirty percent? 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty thirty five some days. 12 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: Thirty thirty five. Well that's funny because I'm thirty thirty 13 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: five percent woman. So between the three of us, who 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: knows what the fuck we are? Hi, Gus, welcome to 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: the You Project. 16 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. 17 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me in episode seventeen hundred, and 18 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: something eventually got to me. 19 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. 20 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, bottom of the barrel. But 21 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: we do what we can. No, that's not true. As 22 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: I said to you before, I just built up six 23 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: years of skill and insights so that I would be ready. 24 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: So today's the day. 25 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 3: Okay, that's great. I'm looking forward to chatting to you 26 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 3: and thanks for having me. 27 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: It's a pleasure. You are a big deal. As Melissa 28 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: said to me, Melissa is both of our bosses. She's 29 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: tips boss and my boss. She's the actual boss. And 30 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: she said to me about three hours ago, remember you've 31 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: got Gus And I'm like, yep. She goes, do you 32 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: know who Guss is? I go a little bit, she goes, 33 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: you should do some research. He's a big deal. So 34 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: do you feel like a big deal? 35 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 3: No, not at all. 36 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: And I love the fact that what I'm doing has 37 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: got some impact and people tell me that, But no, 38 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: not at all. There are times where people recognize me 39 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: and that's nice, but I'd much prefer to just allow 40 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: myself to get on and do the work. But yeah, 41 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: I'd be wrong to say that I wasn't a little 42 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: bit tough. When people come up to you and say 43 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: you've helped me and stuff, that's a part of it, 44 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: for sure. 45 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: When you set out in your media career or when 46 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: you started doing what you ended up doing. But in 47 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: the genesis of that, did you have any inkling or 48 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: idea or intention that you would have the reach and 49 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: impact that you did and do. 50 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: I think probably. 51 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: I was thirty eight before I got my first gig 52 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: in media, so I'd already had a bit of a life. 53 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: Three children, eight pregnant, six to have those children. My 54 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: wife and I've been through a lot, wow. And my 55 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: wife is English, so she was always away from home, 56 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: or I was in England and I was away from home, 57 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: So there was a lot going on in that thirty 58 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: eight years. 59 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: And I think that's why it works so well. 60 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: Initially when I got into medias, because I was actually 61 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: an adult in adverted commerce and it wasn't the make 62 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: or break for me, but of course you wanted to 63 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: be successful when someone gives you an opportunity. And I'm 64 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: glad as of last Thursday it was sixteen years and 65 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: I pulled the pin and I'm very happy to be 66 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: doing the next thing that I'm meant to be doing. 67 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 3: But now i'd never thought. 68 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 2: I remember Triple M said to me, if this doesn't 69 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: work this show, we're going to blow the Triple M 70 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: label up. We're going to keep the frequency, but we're 71 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: going to call it something else, because this is last 72 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: Chance Saloon. And I'm happy to say that it worked 73 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: out really really well, but I never really expected. 74 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 3: To have it. 75 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: But once you realize you've got it, then you've got 76 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: this soapbox to make a real difference, not just to 77 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: tell fart jokes and have fun on the radio. You 78 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: can actually stand up at some point and go, I 79 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: believe in something, and I wonder if our loyal audience 80 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: will go with me. 81 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: So you're saying you're the Triple M Messiah that if 82 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: not for you? Is that what you're saying? Like you're 83 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: like the Jesus of the airways. 84 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: Hallelujah. There's no doubt in my mind that was the 85 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: co hosts as well as me, and as well as 86 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: a whole lot of as you know, smart people behind 87 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: the behind the man behind the microphone. 88 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: I do have a quick, not that interesting story about 89 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: your co host, Jude Bolton. Is he still your co host? 90 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: He was up until last Thursday. My brother jud absolutely. 91 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: He would not remember me, but I remember him so 92 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: when he was a fledgling AFL player he had to play. 93 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: His part of his coming into the system was playing 94 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: at Port Melbourne in the VFL right, and I was 95 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: at that stage the strength and conditioning coach for that team. 96 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: And I saw him run around. I went, this bloke 97 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: doesn't belong here. He doesn't belong here. He's like fucking 98 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: way too good. So he ended up, of course, being 99 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: a superstar. But how do you know, mate, when like 100 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: sixteen years and it's not like things are going bad 101 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: for you, Like things are still going great, radio is 102 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: going great. I assume it seems to me we're in 103 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: a different state. But I only hear and read great things. 104 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: Like how do you know when it's time to step 105 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: away from something? What's happening? Like? Is it emotional? Is 106 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: it psychological? Is there a light bulb? Is it a 107 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: gradual thing? Is it a moment in time? 108 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: I think for me last year, I signed a one 109 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: year deal. And every time you're in this gig, you 110 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: want to get the longest deal you possibly can because 111 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: that gives you security and it gives you Oh, I've 112 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: got the next two or three years lined up, empty nesters. 113 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: Now I got you for life. My foundation is going 114 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: from strength to strength. So I said, I'm going to 115 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: go for a one year deal and see what happens. 116 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: And I was always going to do one year that 117 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: I got a little bit of like, oh god, I'm 118 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: going to muck this up if I if I don't 119 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: do another couple of years, I've got a bit scared. 120 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: And eventually I said, nope, no, I'm doing it. 121 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: And I was at Rio Tinto in northern Western Australia 122 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: watching a sunrise one morning because I was up because 123 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: of the time difference from Sydney, and it was a 124 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: beautiful orange sky and I was about to go and 125 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: see these bunch of miners and talk about mental fitness. 126 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 3: And I went, I feel alive. I feel this is 127 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 3: what I should be doing. 128 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: And I kept thinking about all the content for the 129 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: radio show that I had to do the next time 130 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: I was on it, and I thought, you know what, 131 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: I got two masters now, and I'm not probably doing 132 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: justice to either. So at one point he's got to 133 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: make a call. So I rang the missus and she said, 134 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: go for it, and so yeah, I got your for 135 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 2: life now as my foundation is my full time gig. 136 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: I'm just back from Perth this morning, where I've been 137 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: there for the weekend and I love doing that. 138 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: I'm going to miss the radio. I'm going to miss 139 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 3: my team. 140 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: And it's never say never, right, it's just for the 141 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: time being that's that's what I've decided. 142 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: Okay, so tell us about gotcha for life? 143 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: I lost a maid of mine, a mentor. He took 144 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: his own life on the day that his third and 145 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 3: final child finished their final exams. 146 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: Wow. 147 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: And I did nothing about it. For many many years. 148 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: I had worked with him, he was my mentor, father figure, 149 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: loved him. It seemed to be type of bloke that 150 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: we all know that just ticks every box look and bloke, 151 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: married children, status inside of works, outside of work, had 152 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 2: it all and absolutely not just all for six. I 153 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: did nothing about it for many years, and then eventually 154 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: I spoke about him on my Brecky radio show, The 155 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: Team on Triple M and Sydney, and the next ninety 156 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: minutes people rang up saying me too, I've got a 157 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: story like that. And it made me realize how many 158 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: people worry alone and this man up, shut up is 159 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: not working for us. And then I looked at the 160 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: stats around suicide and depression and anxiety and I couldn't 161 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: believe it. So I was able to get some money 162 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: from the ABC did a show called man Up, which 163 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: challenged masculinity and why we lose so many blokes to suicide, 164 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: and then off the back of that, my wife and 165 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: I literally in this room here at our home started 166 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: Gotcha for Life, and I just want everyone to find 167 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: someone who's got you for life. You can have that 168 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 2: warts and all conversation with These conversations can change your life, 169 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: but we don't know how to have them. So we 170 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: need to learn how to have these conversations of gravity. 171 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: We're very comfortable in banter because we practiced that. Yes, 172 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: so this emotional muscle in our melon needs to be worked, 173 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: and I call it mental fitness rather than mental health. 174 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: And I want to have a positive conversation around this 175 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: and get the suicide break down to zero. At the moment, 176 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: we lose nine ausies a day and we have one 177 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: attempt every eight minutes. 178 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 3: So I don't want to live in Australia like that. 179 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: So got your flight. We started. 180 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: We've raised just over twenty million bucks no government funding. Wow, 181 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: it's all mums and dads five bucks, ten bucks, twenty bucks, 182 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: and a couple of big corporations who have gone. I 183 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: love your simple, less clinical way of looking at mental fitness, 184 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: so we're going to get behind you. 185 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 1: That is amazing, mate. Those numbers are bloody incredible. Twenty 186 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: million dollars. And I know this is not about you, 187 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: but well done you, I mean that is and I 188 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: know you're not doing it for accolades or recognition or 189 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: attention or approval, but fuck, that's amazing. And yeah, I 190 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: think it is interesting that what you said. It's like, 191 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: I really I think you said something like a practical approach. 192 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, there's so much especially when it comes 193 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 1: to mental health. There's so much research and more research, 194 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: and let's throw money at research and let's do another 195 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: fucking study and let's come out with some more findings 196 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: from this, and we need all of that. But at 197 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: the same time, give someone a fucking hug, have a chat, 198 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: have a conversation, ask someone how they feel. 199 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 3: And. 200 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: So why has it been so successful? Like what is 201 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: it that? Why does it work where so many don't. 202 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: What you said is right. Clinical is not the way 203 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: to go. Human is the way to go. And especially 204 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: when you talk to men, as soon as you talk 205 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: about mental health, they feel like they're about to be 206 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: told off. You said, there's something wrong with me, and 207 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 2: that's not the case at all. In fact, we've just 208 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 2: been taught to man up and shut up and get 209 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: on with it, and it's just wrong. Every TV ad 210 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 2: we see, every movie, TV show, it's. 211 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 3: All about the bloke dealing with the stuff and getting 212 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: on with it. You know. 213 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: It's like, it's just not what it's like in reality. 214 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 2: And it's not just a men's issue. It started off 215 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: that way. 216 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: For sure. 217 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: We lose seven men a day in Australia, we lose 218 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 2: two women. Most of the people that are attempted to women. 219 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: So this is a problem that's a human issue. I 220 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: did a TED talk in Vancouver the last couple of 221 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: years and I'm like, every single person is the same, 222 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: no matter what color, what race, what language you speak. 223 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 3: We're all human beings and we need connection and we 224 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 3: need to feel confident to stick your hand up and 225 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: ask for help. And we've been told basically all our 226 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: lives that that is weak. And if you had a 227 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 3: process that led you to what we get, you would 228 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: change that process in business. So why aren't we changing 229 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: it in life? 230 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: I use the World Health Organization numbers when I did 231 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: my TED talk, nineteen hundred and twenty people a day 232 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 2: take their life in forty thousand attempt Now, I don't 233 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: want to live it in a world like that I've 234 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: got three children with empty nesters now kid's two in London, 235 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: one in Canada. I want them to live their life 236 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: and feel that they can talk to someone warts and 237 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 2: all find that village of people around you. See, you're 238 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: not worrying alone about stuff. So let's keep it as 239 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: simple as that. To keep it as simple as that, 240 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: it's not clinical. It's not mental health. It's mental fitness, 241 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: just like our physical fitness. We can give you exercises 242 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 2: to work on it, to get better, and it's not easy, 243 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: believe me, it's not easy. But start with a simple 244 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 2: who are my people? Yes, my village, who's my tribe? 245 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: Who's my team? And get see them on board with 246 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: you know what. I'm going to come to you with 247 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: some stuff because I'm bumbling and fumbling my way through here. 248 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: I've got some stuff worked out, other stuff not so much. 249 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: Can you do the same with me? And that way 250 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: our little village will always look after each other. It 251 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: seems simple, but it's bloody hard to do to get 252 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: the words out to ask for that help. 253 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 3: They get stuck here. 254 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: We need to We need to get people to have 255 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: those conbos. 256 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: He's not quite passionate enough. Tif is he Yeah, he 257 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: needs to work on that. It needs to fire up. 258 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: He needs to find some passion because I'm getting nothing. 259 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: Make you no, I fucking love it. It's great, it's great. 260 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: It's like, this is what I love. Like I said 261 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: to you, and you didn't need me to brief you, 262 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: but I said everyone before, with most guests, nearly every guest, 263 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: I say, it's not an interview, it's a conversation. And 264 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: that's what I love. You know what else is? And 265 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: this one comes any surprise to you. But speaking of research, 266 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: there's lots of research out now suggesting that, Like when 267 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: so my background as an exercise scientist, right, I'll talk 268 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: about health and wellness and fitness, and you know, talk 269 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: a lot about lifestyle and sleep and nutrition and exercise 270 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: and the relationship between that those variables and longevity and 271 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: health span and immune system. And what we now know 272 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: is that loneliness and disconnection and mental and emotional devastation 273 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: are more problematic from a physical health point of view 274 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: than bad lifestyle behaviors. You know, it's like being lonely, 275 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: feeling unseen, unloved, unwanted, unvalued. That actually has a real 276 00:12:55,160 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: physical consequence in terms of people's predisposition to getting sick 277 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: and diseased, and even their immune system, as we caned 278 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: because everything psychologically or mentally we can say emotionally and 279 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: physiologically is intertwined. And so when you connect with the 280 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: person inside the body, not the body, but connect with 281 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: the human you know, then you're actually not ondoing the 282 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: obvious thing, which is supporting them emotionally and mentally, but 283 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: also you're literally doing something good for their physical health, 284 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: which people don't really think about too much. 285 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: I love the link between the physical fitness and the 286 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: mental fitness, and that's what I talked to kids about. 287 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: We saw over two hundred thousand kids last year doing programs, 288 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: and when you talk about mental fitness, you see them 289 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: nodding along. Yeah, we've just started to mentally fit primary 290 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 2: schools program. We've got four schools, we'll have twenty next year. 291 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: Kids are nodding along, they get it, and then they 292 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: start making a little song up where they can do 293 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: their muscles like that around mental fitness, and it just 294 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 2: connects people. And I think we're going to learn from 295 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: the youngsters. The oldies will learn from the youngsters with this, 296 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: because there's so much better than we were And I 297 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: love the thought of that. I love the thought of 298 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: mental fitness being a subject at school. 299 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: So many subjects that are there because they've always been there, 300 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: because that's what we do. 301 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: We tick a box to get to the end, to 302 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: get us a mark, to get us into an exam, 303 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: or get us into a unicorse, or get us into whatever. 304 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: Let's start having some practical subjects that actually help the 305 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: boys and girls, the men and the women. You know, 306 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: That's what drives me nuts, is that I feel like 307 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: it's an approach that we can deal with and we're 308 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: just not doing it enough. 309 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. My PhD research is around, loosely 310 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: around understanding others, you know, understanding. So there's a thing 311 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: in psychology called theory of mind, which just means your ability, 312 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: my ability to be able to understand someone else's version 313 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: of reality, essentially their psychological and or emotional version of 314 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: right now, not necessarily agree with it or align with it, 315 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: but understand it. And you know, I think Stephen Covey 316 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: and a bunch of others said, seek first to understand 317 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: and then to be understood, Right, is it like when 318 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: I can understand you, like I work with ADDX and alcoholics, 319 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: many of them over the years. And I've never had 320 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: booze and I've never had drugs. But because I've spent 321 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: so much time with people struggling with addiction, I understand them, 322 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: I love them, and I don't need to drink or 323 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: use to be able to connect because I you know. 324 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: And that's that. If you just come from that place 325 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: of not trying to judge, not trying to evaluate, not 326 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: trying to label, but just understand, knowing that you won't 327 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: align on everything with people, it just opens a door 328 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: and it opens this conduit for connection. And when people 329 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: feel seen and loved, even though they might not live 330 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: the values you live or the lifestyle you live, like, 331 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: that creates something special that, as you said, in all 332 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: the clinical stuff doesn't really happen. 333 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: I mean curiosity to go on top of what you 334 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: just did there, which of course I agree with, and 335 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: I tip my lid to you for working in that 336 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: area curiosity. As soon as I started becoming curious rather 337 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: than oh no, that's not the way it is. It's 338 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: like I lived in this bubble for years, you know, 339 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: me losing my friend and going on this journey and 340 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: starting the man Up program and having enough guts to 341 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: talk about it on radio and to realize how many 342 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: other people worry alone. 343 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 3: This whole journey. 344 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: Now I'm curious to find out why people are doing 345 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: certain things, or why they feel a certain way, or 346 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: why they say a certain way. Where As before I 347 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 2: lived in this bubble where I was very judgmental and 348 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: my parenting was old school, because that's what I've learned 349 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: from my mum and dad. So yeah, that opening it 350 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: up to curiosity is well. I think made my life 351 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: so much better and has given me an opportunity I 352 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: think to understand and work better with people, which will 353 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: allow me to make gotcha more successful? 354 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting? Mate? When you grow up in a 355 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: certain paradigm or a certain kind of culture or collective mindset, 356 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: which we all do, right, We've all got parents, We 357 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: all grew up in a particular social group or cultural 358 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: or religious or whatever, and essentially your worldview is their worldview. 359 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: You know, by the time you're twenty, you think and 360 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: believe essentially what your parents thought and believed. Because we 361 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: for the most part, we don't choose our beliefs. They 362 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: just become our beliefs, you know, almost like by cognitive osmosis. 363 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: We just absorbed them, right. But then you get to 364 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: the point where I'm listening to a really interesting book. 365 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 3: At the moment. 366 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: Do you know what's his name? Is it? Tom Tilley? 367 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? I know Tom. Yeah, he's a media guy. You're talking. 368 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, So he wrote a book called Speaking in Tongues 369 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: and it's really interesting about him growing up in this 370 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: very strict Pentecostal you know, not Pentecostal, but very Orthodox 371 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: you know church with anyway, the whole thing, which is 372 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: not totally dissimis and not dissimilar to my story. So 373 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated with it. But just this idea of what 374 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: do I know or what do I think, or what 375 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: do I believe that that hasn't been programmed into me? 376 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: Like what if you can overcome? Like what where does 377 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: my programming and finish finish? And where do I start? 378 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: You know? Then you know that I feel like you 379 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: start to think for yourself and look at the world 380 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: through a different lens, one other than the one that's 381 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: been created for you. 382 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. That's a really good point, really good point. 383 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: I think personally, certainly in that first twenty odd years 384 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 2: or so, I was one of those kids. My dad 385 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 2: left the family home. When I was quite young, I 386 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 2: realized and that he left my mum for a man. 387 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 2: I didn't work that out until I was in my 388 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: late teens. I was just jump into the box, right, 389 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: I'm safe in the box. I will get my minute 390 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 2: certificate at the end of term, I will make the team. 391 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 3: If I go to practice, I will do all that stuff. 392 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 2: And it's probably from my early twenties where I started 393 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 2: to try to work stuff out for myself and got 394 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 2: a bit more curious, and then certainly from forty five 395 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: and I'm fifty six in December. 396 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: The last ten years, this journey I've been on, I've 397 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 3: certainly stripped back a lot of the stuff, but I 398 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 3: think was just put into me. 399 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: And I've actually now got to the point where i 400 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: can teach my children what I've gone through, and I'm 401 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: very open for them to have a different opinion. I 402 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 2: suppose that's something that didn't happen in our generation, when 403 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 2: we were more just sort of sheepish. 404 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: Well, I'm only thirty two, so I don't know what 405 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: you're talking about. But okay, sure you know I've done 406 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: it hard, bro I've done a lot of trauma. 407 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 2: Must be something wrong with this zoom it's really quite working. 408 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Tip's only twenty one, she's at a shocker. 409 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 3: So that's very involved. 410 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: All right, all right, I think we're both throwing me 411 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: under the bus, and I fucking love it. So tell 412 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: me one thing in this whole kind of journey of 413 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: doing new things and learning new things and unlearning old things, 414 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: what's something you needed to unlearn to build what you've built? 415 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 3: Yeah? 416 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: Well, certainly the most important thing that I talk about 417 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 2: all the time is don't worry alone. And there's so 418 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: many men and women, boys and girls that I talk 419 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 2: to that worry alone all the time, and they don't 420 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 2: quite know how to not worry alone about it. It's 421 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: so embedded in their gut that they've pushed it down 422 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: so much it's got to the point where they don't 423 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 2: know how to actually communicate that to someone that they 424 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 2: need their help, and also they don't feel they've got 425 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: permission to ask for the help. So breaking that particular 426 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 2: thing down will be a huge part of building mental fitness, 427 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 2: I believe. And there's been moments where I've bumbled and 428 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 2: fumbled and with not running out of my nose and 429 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: tears running out of my eyes actually got something out 430 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: to a group of mates, and they've just all stopped 431 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: and gone, mate, I. 432 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 3: Had no idea. 433 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 2: I thought you were flying, or I thought you had 434 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 2: that part of your life dealt with. We know you've 435 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: always working on stuff, but we really thought that wasn't 436 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 2: an issue for you. And then, of course the first 437 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 2: sentence I get out is the hardest, and everything else 438 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 2: then becomes easier, especially when you've got people around you 439 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 2: that you love. I've spent so much time in my 440 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 2: life building this village of mates that I can have 441 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: these warts and all conversations with and there's no judgment, 442 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: and they all don't agree with me, they all throw 443 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 2: up different curve balls at me, but the conversation is 444 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: real and it's with love and that sort of stuff, 445 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: and that's what I believe we need. 446 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 3: We talk in the time all the time around Australia. 447 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 3: We've got all these mates, mates, mates, mates. 448 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: Well, we've got people we drink with, we've got people 449 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: we go to the footy with, we go people we 450 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: party with. But how many people do we actually have 451 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 2: in our lives that you can actually go I need 452 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 2: your help over here, and having those real conversations, and 453 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 2: it's not because we don't necessarily want to that we 454 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 2: don't know how to do it. 455 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 3: Are you okay? You came up with the slogan, and 456 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 3: I love are you Okay? Don't get me wrong. I 457 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 3: work with them a lot around their time of year, 458 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 3: and it says a conversation can save a life. Absolutely 459 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 3: it can. But how do you have the conversation? How 460 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 3: do you start the conversation? 461 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: That's what got your life is trying to do, and 462 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: that's what I'm very, very proud of. But to answer 463 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: that's a long way of answering that question, I suppose, 464 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 2: But really it's getting vulnerable and leading with vulnerability rather 465 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 2: than thinking, oh no, I'm not going to do that 466 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 2: because that's traditionally not the way to do it. Nah, 467 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 2: that's not for me, and that's not for the world 468 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 2: I'm trying to help change. 469 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I think something that people find 470 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: interesting about people like you, And I could be wrong, 471 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: but myself, I do a lot of corporate speaking. I'm 472 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: in front of audiences more than a hundred times a year, 473 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: so I'm in front of groups, big groups, little groups, 474 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: And when I tell people that I'm insecure or I'm 475 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: an overthinker, or I've got self doubt, or I can 476 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: self sabotage, or you know, like people think because people 477 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: like you and I paps are articulate and we can 478 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: string a few words together and we can do what 479 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: we do with some sense of competence and confidence that 480 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: you don't have any doubt or any fear or I'm like, no, 481 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: I'm just as insecure as ever. I'm just fucking great 482 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: at I can string a few words together. It doesn't 483 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: mean that there's no self doubt or self loathing or 484 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: imposter syndrome. That shit, shit happens all the time. But 485 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: for me, it's been able to co manage, you know, 486 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: the emotional stuff which is fear based, with also the data, 487 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: the knowledge that well, Craig, you can do this because 488 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: you've done it before and you're not the best, but 489 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: you're not terrible. 490 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: Right. 491 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: So it's like, because I think some people think, oh, 492 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: if people knew what went on in my head, ah, 493 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: people would think I was this or that, But that's 494 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: essentially all of us. 495 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had it coming on to your show today. 496 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: So a little bit of research that my team did 497 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 2: with you is that it's a top rated science podcast, right, 498 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: and that whole word science is like, oh god, I 499 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: haven't done that since I've been at school, and throw 500 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: all these curples at me that I won't be able 501 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 2: to explain in the way that I like to explain it, 502 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: and will his podcast listeners, his loyal listeners not like 503 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: the fact that I'm not sort of clinical or scientist 504 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: in that sort of way. So that was one thing 505 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 2: I had this morning. Also at the moment, A gotcha 506 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: for life. We're building a team of speakers that can 507 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: go out and chat. They're more facilitators because it's back 508 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: and forth. But the best thing I ever did was 509 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: actually say to them how scared I get. And it's 510 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: true scared when I get up in front of people, 511 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: or the thought of getting up in people. The actual 512 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 2: getting up doesn't seem to be that bad in the end. 513 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: I remember getting up in front of a big crowd 514 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: once and I was petrified all the way there, you know, 515 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: had a little bit of road rage on the way 516 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: there because I wasn't. 517 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 3: Thinking clearly and all that. 518 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 2: And then I got to the place and I walked 519 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: up and I shook the hand of the organizer and 520 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: she said, good ah, I can't wait to hear you speaking. 521 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 2: Everything just flowed and I'm like, why do I put 522 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 2: myself through all this mental trauma? We know you can 523 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: do it, You've done it before. And talk about imposter syndrome. 524 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: There's people that I know that are super famous who 525 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 2: go through exactly the same thing, Like when is this 526 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: ride going to finish? 527 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 3: When someone going to just push me. 528 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: Off the board and go, Okay, you've had your fun, 529 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 2: but we've actually worked out that you're not very good 530 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: at this. 531 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 3: It's just that's just the way it is. 532 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 2: And I think if we can conquer that emotion that 533 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: we put ourselves through before we actually do it, you'd 534 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 2: be a billionaire if you could bottle that. 535 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: And I think it's also it's okay to go I'm scared, 536 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 1: and that's all right. I feel like a fraud, and 537 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: that's all right. I don't like if I sit at 538 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: home and until I feel fucking good enough, I'm never 539 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: doing any I'm never leaving the house. 540 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you more. 541 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 2: And when I told that group of got to fight 542 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 2: guys and girls that we're building at the moment, that's 543 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 2: the one thing they remembered from like an hour's chat. 544 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 3: Was like, get you get scared. 545 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 2: You're worried about what you're going to do, and I'm 546 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 2: like absolutely, and they went, well, thank god for that, 547 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: because I feel the same way, which is that we 548 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: can then work on it and it'll be okay. It's 549 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: that leading with vulnerability piece that I keep going back to. 550 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: So funny that your team told you it's high rating 551 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: sign show and I'm about as sophisticated as a fucking moccasin, 552 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: So that's it's it's funny. 553 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: It's funny you should say that, because when we had 554 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: the chat with Fifth before we all started, I soon 555 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: realized that all those worries I had, I shouldn't have 556 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: worried about. 557 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. So I feel like this could be wrong. 558 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: But just looking from from the outside looking in, I 559 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: feel like you're moving away, sort of moving away from 560 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: career and moving into purpose. 561 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, purpose is key for me. I felt like I've 562 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: moved there. But as I said earlier, I've had two 563 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: masters for too long. And you can't have a top 564 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 2: rated drive show and not be one hundred percent at 565 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: the races, and you can't be running a small foundation 566 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: that's trying to play with the big guns. Yeah, without 567 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: your full attention. But the purpose part of me really 568 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 2: started when I said yes to the Man Up program, 569 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 2: because that was the next step from me just talking 570 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: to my very company radio audience sitting in my studio. 571 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I was out there asking questions 572 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: of Ossie's and not knowing what the answers would be. 573 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 2: And that's when I realized that this is not just 574 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 2: a job, This is not just hosting a TV show. 575 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 3: This this is the real deal. 576 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 2: And now eight years on from that, I'm so pleased 577 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 2: that I had the gun to keep going for it. 578 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 2: You know, and your work in suicide prevention. I don't 579 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: think there's a more important conversation to be had. So 580 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: that's that purpose comes to you real quick. 581 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: Within the context of the charity. It's charity, right, do 582 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: I call it that? 583 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? Foundation? Charity? 584 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: Foundation? Do you have? KPIs like in a business like 585 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: do you have do you say this is where we 586 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: I don't know the particular outcomes that you want to 587 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: did it? Just put on the Doris Day filter. 588 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: Tip, I think so, I don't know what's going on there. 589 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 2: So it's coming back is that maybe it's bloody hot 590 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 2: and Sydney at the moment, so it might be just 591 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 2: a bit hot. 592 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like do you kind of run it in 593 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: a way like a business, not in terms of trying 594 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: to make dough for yourself, but in terms of the 595 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: way that it runs. 596 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: Definitely, Like I reckon the first few years, it was 597 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: all about whatever money comes in, money's got to go 598 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: out straight out to the people that we're that we 599 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 2: have trusted to put the work in. And then there 600 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: was a shift a couple of years ago where we 601 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: have to actually build the foundation to make sure that 602 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: we have the right foundations in the foundation. That's a 603 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: lot of foundations to make sure that we're around for 604 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: the next whatever. 605 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 3: And it's not just going to be me and my wife, 606 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: it's going to be the next lot of people and 607 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: so forth. 608 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: So there's a lot that goes into that, and there's 609 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 2: a lot of feeling of like, oh, I want to 610 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 2: give every cent away, Well, I'll do much better work 611 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: in five years time if I put some good people 612 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: in there with me now working with it. So that's 613 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: the dilemma that you have. As long as you are 614 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 2: giving most of the money away more than most, then 615 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: I'm fine with it. It's the way of making sure 616 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: that you are bigger in the future to make even 617 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: more of an impact. 618 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: I reckon if you're building you know, you're building a 619 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: charity or a foundation, or a business or a program, 620 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: or you're writing a book or you're trying to get 621 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: a podcast off the ground or whatever. It is, like 622 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: you're taking a theoretical something in your head and turning 623 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: it into a real thing in the world that people 624 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: can interact with. Yeah, like, there are similar there. There's 625 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 1: you know, like before the You Project which goes okay, 626 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 1: I had three other shows that didn't you know, and 627 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: trying to and even for this the first six hundred episodes, 628 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: I was losing money and so trying to figure out 629 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: how do I do a good thing and not go broke? 630 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: How do I how do I have something that's commercially 631 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: viable but also people like it's good to listen to. 632 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: It's a bit of fun. There's some good information and inspiration, 633 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: but it's not but you know that whole kind of 634 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: what did you get wrong? Like what did you without 635 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: throwing you or anyone under the bus, what did you 636 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: fuck up? And what did you think? Why did I 637 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: think that would work. 638 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose when you're like I've always been a 639 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: one start before you're ready, because if you, like you 640 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: said before, if you waited at your home, you'd never 641 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: get out. You never do anything right. So you just 642 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: have a crack get out there. And that's when the 643 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: mistakes made. Having people that you know that our mate's 644 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: involved initially as the board members or as advisors, that 645 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 2: type of stuff. That's not the way it is now 646 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 2: for me. If you look at my board now, there 647 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: are a bunch of people that have got particular skills 648 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: that they may not be the greatest mates, but they're 649 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: absolutely committed to gotcha for life and so forth. So 650 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: that is one thing that I did, absolutely realizing that 651 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: we have to go younger, like we've been targeting fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, 652 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 2: seventeen year olds, which is absolutely required, but we really 653 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 2: got to get into primary school. So we've just started 654 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 2: that mentally fit primary school situation. So there's just learnings 655 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 2: as you go along. So I don't call them fuck 656 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: ups as much as oh gave that a crack. That 657 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 2: worked for a lot of it, but not absolutely where 658 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 2: we need to go now. And of course you haven't 659 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 2: got all the money in the world, right, you're literally 660 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: always out like Oliver, so it's like more please. So 661 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 2: whatever I can get with that, I've got to put 662 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 2: into something, which means you've got to drop a few 663 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 2: things and focus on others. But I wouldn't all the 664 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: mistakes as much as just learnings along the way. And 665 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: if you're not doing that, then you're probably not having 666 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 2: enough of a crack. Like That's the other thing that 667 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 2: I have to keep talking to people about is that 668 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 2: we're trying to literally change the world here. Every single nation, 669 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: every single culture basically has. 670 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 3: This not when it comes to being vulnerable. 671 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: Yes, we have to try to change that and where 672 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: it's a little foundation in Australia. So how we're going 673 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 2: to do that? Well, I get on the Ted stage. 674 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: That's good because millions of people watch that. That's bloody great. 675 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 2: What else can I do? I got invited to talk 676 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: to the un Well, I'm going to do that. That'll 677 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 2: be bloody great because a few people watch that. Being 678 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: authentic and real along this journey. But picking the moments 679 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 2: to really have a crack when you've got a chance, 680 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 2: and then hopefully not having imposter syndrome and stuffing it up, 681 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 2: you know, hoping you have your best day when you 682 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 2: have those moments gifted to you. 683 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: Now, I had a squizze at your your podcast. I 684 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: had to listen, and I don't want to be disparaging, 685 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: but I feel like it's just an excuse for you 686 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: to hang out with your friends. I feel like it's 687 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: a bit of bullshit because it's just you and your 688 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: famous fucking friends hanging out. And I'm very jealous TIV. 689 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: So you know that you're a big deal when your 690 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: first guest is one of the biggest movie stars in 691 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: the world, right, Well, that's just not fucking fair. That's 692 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: like being on Oh I've got a podcast. Also, I'm 693 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: on steroids. 694 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 2: I mean, it was fun to have jack O obviously 695 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 2: on the first one, but we've been best mates since 696 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: kindergarten and we went to pinball public together. Then we 697 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 2: left there and the fourth grade and went to the 698 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: last two years of a prep school, then a senior school. 699 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 2: Then we did our gap year, you know, in each 700 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 2: other's wedding parties, godfathers to each other's firstborn. So yeah, 701 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: we've I mean, Hugh Jackman obviously would be well known 702 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 2: to your listeners, but to me He's just literally Jacko 703 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: and someone who I call a brother of another mother, 704 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: and it was important to hit the podcast world with 705 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 2: a bit of a sledghammer and it was nice to 706 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 2: have him. But to be honest with you, I've enjoyed 707 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 2: every single one of those conversations and the fact that 708 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: Shaw and Partners who support me, they give ten thousand 709 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: dollars to any guest, and that guest has to. 710 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 3: Give it to a charity. 711 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think there's another podcast in the 712 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 2: world that has that type of thing. So of course 713 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 2: it makes people go, well, how can I possibly say 714 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 2: no to a forty minute conversation where I can give 715 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars to a cause I love. 716 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 3: So I'm in a very lucky situation, Craig. 717 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 2: So don't don't think that I don't. 718 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: Know that, mate, I'm fucking with you. I listened to 719 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: a couple and it's really good and we've had a 720 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: few common guests. One of my favorite guests in seventeen 721 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: hundred plus was Charlie Teo, and I see you had 722 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: him on as well. 723 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's absolute lunatic, but. 724 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: He's crazy, but he's operational crazy. 725 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 2: Man If I had something wrong with someone that I 726 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 2: loved or myself, I know I'd be calling. 727 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: So just quickly everyone that the show is called Not 728 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: an Overnight Success will wind up mate. But of course 729 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: success is different things to different people, and it's not 730 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: always a thing. Sometimes it's a combination of things. But 731 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: from the host of Not an Overnight Success, what is 732 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: success for you? 733 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 2: That's a really good question. It's never linear, that's for sure, 734 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 2: and that's probably what my podcast is about. 735 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 3: You know. 736 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 2: It's like, very rarely do you go from A to B. 737 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: There's always rabbit holes and sniper shots from left, right 738 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 2: and center. But the people that tend to succeed are 739 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 2: the ones that never ever give up. So that has 740 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 2: been a big part of what I'm trying to do 741 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 2: in my life, never giving up of the dream. 742 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 3: Of zero suicides. 743 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 2: And I know that I've said that out loud plenty 744 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 2: of times and I get how down for it. But 745 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 2: one's too many, right, So one's too many, then it's 746 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 2: got to be zero, and I've got to be working 747 00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 2: towards that. 748 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 3: So test for me is a lot of things. 749 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 2: I would like to think if you interviewed my three 750 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 2: kids that they would say I wouldn't want anyone else 751 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: to be my dad. 752 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is true success. Whether you get the 753 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 3: same answer from my wife of thirty years, whether she'd say, oh, 754 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 3: like I saw of think the other day, if the 755 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 3: person that you're sleeping with is not the most annoying 756 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 3: person in your life and you haven't got the right 757 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 3: one right. 758 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 2: So that made me feel really good because I'm like, 759 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 2: I'm sure that I'm that for my wife. 760 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 3: So there's a whole lot of things. I love being 761 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 3: my dad, I love being a good hubby. 762 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 2: As you can tell, I can't imagine a world continuing 763 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 2: with these suicide rates. So I'm going to do whatever 764 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 2: I can to fix that or to help with that, 765 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 2: and that would be success. But I've got a lot 766 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 2: of personal stuff that I always want to be working on, 767 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 2: and that'll keep me busy. 768 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: Truly. You are an inspiration and such a good bloke 769 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: and it's a pleasure for us and an honor for 770 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: us to chat with you on our humble little show 771 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: where Hugh Jackman is never fucking coming near this show, 772 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: but we appreciate. We'll say goodbye a fair but mate, 773 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 1: really appreciate you for having a chat on the You project. 774 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 3: My pleasure see you, Tiff, Thanks Greg. 775 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,399 Speaker 1: Thank you all right everyone, I've jumped back in, sorry 776 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: about that. We were going to say goodbye, and then 777 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: I realized that i'd selfishly I was thinking about my 778 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: chicken sandwich, and I'd thrown Gus out the door before 779 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: I could let him share with you how you can 780 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: connect with him and find out what he's doing. So, mate, 781 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: I apologize for that, But what would you like to 782 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: share with our team? 783 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 2: You don't need to apologize at all, mate, I was 784 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 2: enjoying the chat. I forgot about it too. So I 785 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 2: mean in terms of got your for life, it's got 786 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 2: your for life dot org. We've got a mentally fit 787 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 2: Jim so Mentalfitnessjim dot org, which is free. You can 788 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 2: just click on there and or give you a little 789 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 2: mental fitness tips and stuff. And I've also got a 790 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 2: book coming out called Boys Do Cry. 791 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,439 Speaker 3: And it's about a little boy. 792 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 2: It's sort of set for sort of three, four, five, 793 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 2: six seven year olds, but I'm hoping the parents or 794 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 2: the cares might get a little tip along the way. 795 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 3: It starts with. 796 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,720 Speaker 2: A little boy who goes to school and a space 797 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: and a space chef lends on his toe, which is 798 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 2: not a great start to your day, and then his 799 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 2: day doesn't get any better, and it goes through a 800 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 2: bit of a process until eventually he realizes, if I 801 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 2: just show my emotions, my life might get a little better, 802 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 2: or my day might get a little better. 803 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 3: So it's only twelve bucks. 804 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 2: You can pre order it anywhere, and I'm very proud 805 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 2: of that that comes out in February, so there might 806 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,399 Speaker 2: be something for any of your listeners that have got 807 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 2: younger kids. It's called Boys Do Cry, So yeah, any 808 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,439 Speaker 2: help would be great. Every single cent of that book 809 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 2: will go straight to Gotcha for Life, so you'll be 810 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 2: sort of helping a good cause. 811 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 1: Mate. We appreciate you, and for the second time, thanks 812 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: for Ben on the You Project.