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Speaker 1: I suppose, and that rings bells with Manada with me.

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Speaker 1: Bridge will become home to some seventeen thousand new residents

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Speaker 1: or at least that many homes, the area of Gifford Hill.

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Speaker 1: The Mayor of murray Bridge, Wayning Thorley on the line, Mayor,

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Speaker 1: good morning, good am Matt.

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Speaker 2: How are you all right?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? So what's this going to mean for the town?

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it's it's certainly going to be about

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Speaker 2: growing our community into there's something very significant obviously we

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Speaker 2: for c our Sills aspiring to being the second second

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Speaker 2: biggest city in South Australia, the biggest regional center in

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Speaker 1: This is on the other side of the river, isn't

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Speaker 2: No, No, No, it's the murray Bridge side. Is on

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Speaker 2: the opposite side of the freeway from murray Bridge. It

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Speaker 2: will be part of murray Bridge. It's about growing murray

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Speaker 2: Bridge into a bigger place. It won't be a satellite

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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to think what direction that would be

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Speaker 2: Well, if you look down there, it's sort of between

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Speaker 1: What's it mean for current ratepayers then? Is this an

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't believe so. Ultimately it will be about

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Speaker 2: council is very frugal about how we spend it, and

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Speaker 1: And who's going to live down there is the people

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Speaker 2: We expect it to be a very verse community. Like

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Speaker 1: Okay, that begs a whole lot of other infrastructure, doesn't it, schools,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because what is it to Mount Barker about a

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Speaker 1: Well, let's all be responsible and there are speed and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if someone wants to help the state government's tap well.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, that's right. Wayne, appreciate your time this morning. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Let's have a chat with James Stibble, who is the

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Speaker 3: Look, I think last means all we alluded to. I

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Speaker 1: But definitely DoLS on that Geelong's got an airport Avalon,

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Speaker 1: The business case, Rail's got to come first, doesn't it?

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Speaker 1: Really and realistically, as I said, the rail line to

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Speaker 1: Billions of dollars to do that. Is it ever likely

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Speaker 3: I guess it's an item really for the state government.

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Speaker 1: Are you planning for things like hospitals and schools in

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Speaker 1: What do you say to those is say, this is

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Speaker 3: what I would say is that you know what what

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Speaker 3: the population doesn't like and understandable is when things change

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Speaker 3: the farmers rightly don't. They don't just plan for the

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Speaker 3: of the structure plan does? So the adopt the structal

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Speaker 3: planet Mortbridge Council does. It defines a town boundary. It says, right,

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Speaker 3: this is where we're going to grow over the next

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Speaker 3: and what it gives the farming industry some comfort to

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Speaker 3: say Okay, that's the boundary. Outside the boundary, we're going

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Speaker 3: to continue to farm. There'll be no encroachment at all.

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Speaker 3: And inside the boundary, we know that's going to go

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Speaker 3: to residential or to excuse it gives people a sense

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Speaker 1: And Matt makes a good point on the text line.

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Speaker 1: He says, isn't that side of Murray Bridge a floodplain

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Speaker 1: It looked like it a year or so ago.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's called Gifford Hill for a reason, So no,

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Speaker 3: it definitely doesn't flood.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So it's up a bar and there are levy

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Speaker 3: And that was part of part of one of the

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Speaker 1: Great views out towards Taylor and Bend in the southeast,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. Good on your James, thank you for your

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Speaker 3: Thanks Matt, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: James Dibble from Grange Development and it is going to

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Speaker 1: there from the end of next year, I understand pretty

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Speaker 1: quickly seventeen thousand, one hundred new homes in this area.

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Speaker 1: The largest regional city, murray Bridge is that that's what

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Speaker 1: it'll become. With the announcement of Gifford Hill today, eighteen

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty hectare development and away they go. In

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Speaker 1: that part of South Australia. It's a good view, as

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Speaker 1: you know when you come down the freeway if you're

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Speaker 1: the murray Bridge turn off and suddenly you've got sweeping

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Speaker 1: views looking out to the southeast. It is pretty impressive

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Speaker 1: through there, no doubt