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Speaker 1: By Dr Jody. Welcome back to the You Project. How

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Speaker 1: are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm actually really good. I'm really good. Thanks Craig. It's

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Speaker 2: so good to be back. It feels like the time's

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Speaker 2: flown since the last chat.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'd love having you. I think I'm going to

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Speaker 1: make today a bit of a deep dive into you. You. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe not. We'll just see where we go.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you'll be surprised for both of us.

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Speaker 1: I'm drinking a latte in a keep cup. What are

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Speaker 1: you drinking?

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Speaker 2: I'm drinking a cappuccino in my favorite mug.

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Speaker 1: But do you make that? Is that looks like a

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Speaker 1: handcrafted mug?

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Speaker 2: It is? I bought it at the EMU Planes Market

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Speaker 2: and it was on the I'm a little bit wobbly shelf.

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Speaker 2: Not perfect, a little bit imperfect and there that's what

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Speaker 2: I liked about it. So yes, the family know to

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Speaker 2: keep their little hands off my favorite mug.

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Speaker 1: That's where people can find me on the weekend, sitting

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Speaker 1: on the I'm a little bit wobblyshelf, you know. Just there,

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Speaker 1: I am just being me, just with all the imperfect

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Speaker 1: products on the sale. What's your coffee intake per day?

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Speaker 1: You were one or two or ten a day.

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Speaker 2: I am one or two a day. If I'm working

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Speaker 2: from home all day, I'll usually have two. But if

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Speaker 2: I'm out and about, I usually have one in the

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Speaker 2: morning and I don't get around because I can't sort

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Speaker 2: of drink it too late in the afternoon, so if

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Speaker 2: I don't get my two in kind of before about

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Speaker 2: now that, Yeah, just the one before we.

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Speaker 1: Went live, you were talking about, how can I just

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Speaker 1: be really rude and remind our listeners are you fifty

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Speaker 1: or fifty one?

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Speaker 2: Fifty one? It's not rude. I think it's such a

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Speaker 2: gift to grow older, and so no, yes, fifty one.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe when I say it out loud, it's like,

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Speaker 2: is that true? Yes, it's true.

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Speaker 1: Well, the only reason I comfortably brought it up was

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Speaker 1: because I know you've mentioned it before, so I knew

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Speaker 1: I wasn't but I couldn't remember exactly if it was

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Speaker 1: fifty one or fifty two or fifty. But anyway, what

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Speaker 1: I loved and I was going to ask you, but

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Speaker 1: I thought it wait till we went live, is you've

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Speaker 1: said you feel so, You've changed your diet, You've changed

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Speaker 1: your training, and believe it or not. The biggest demographic

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Speaker 1: of my listeners is females between kind of forty and sixty.

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Speaker 1: So you're bang in the middle. You're you're the average listener.

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Speaker 1: So to what do you attribute the feeling better getting

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Speaker 1: you said you were getting PB's personal bests at CrossFit.

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Speaker 1: You've changed in nutrition, you've dropped a bit, your body

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Speaker 1: composition has changed, and you're feeling ace. Do tell us

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Speaker 1: what the new protocol is if you would, because some

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Speaker 1: of us are quite interested.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, I mean I feel a bit. I feel

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Speaker 2: a bit embarrassed that it took me so long to

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Speaker 2: kind of get here because I knew, I knew academically

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Speaker 2: that the protocol that I'm following now is the best approach.

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Speaker 2: But you know, like a lot of women like listening

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Speaker 2: care about our appearance. We want to feel good, look good,

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Speaker 2: put on a bathing suit come summer. And I was

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Speaker 2: fasting twice a week to kind of maintain my body composition,

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Speaker 2: and it is awful, it is. It was five hundred

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Speaker 2: I wasn't able to concentrate as well. I wasn't able

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Speaker 2: to perform as well when I was doing my strength

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Speaker 2: training and when I but it was effective in terms

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Speaker 2: don't have scales, I have no idea what I weigh,

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Speaker 2: but I just kind of go by what I see

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Speaker 1: Isn't it funny? I don't want to throw you under

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Speaker 1: the basket.

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Speaker 2: Fuck.

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Speaker 1: You were saying you felt like shit, you had no energy,

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Speaker 1: But it was working. No, it wasn't. It wasn't working

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Speaker 2: It was achieving the goal that I had in mind

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Speaker 2: for myself, which was which was to keep my body

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Speaker 1: What's more important that or feeling good and functioning good

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Speaker 2: Look hands down the ladder and I just.

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Speaker 1: Realized, don't worry. You and me are just a different

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Speaker 1: gender version of the same human. Don't worry about that.

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Speaker 1: So I'm putting my hand right up with you, Like

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Speaker 1: I pretend I don't care what I look like. Yeah

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Speaker 1: I kind of do, of course everyone does a little bit.

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Speaker 1: but I care that I'm in reasonably good shape, you know,

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Speaker 2: I know, and I do too, and it's not something

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Speaker 2: that I've ever obsessed over, but I've noticed a lot

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Speaker 2: of changes because I was like stick thin in high school.

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Speaker 2: And I look back at my wedding photos and admittedly

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Speaker 2: I had been struggling with depression. We had postpone the weddings,

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Speaker 2: back on the calendar, I was so tiny, Craig, and

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Speaker 2: so I guess I grew up. I think I grew

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Speaker 2: up about fifty six kilos. Was kind of like my

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of changes and it's very natural. It's

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Speaker 2: very normal, but you know, we do notice these changes,

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Speaker 2: and we feel we're then living in different bodies of

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Speaker 2: different sizes and shapes and more wobbly bits and all that.

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Speaker 2: And like I hazard, a guess most people, it bothered me.

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Speaker 2: And so my approach was fasting. And also I understand

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Speaker 2: the health benefits of fasting, of course, in terms of

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Speaker 2: blood glucose and longevity. But when I started really thinking

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Speaker 2: about what important and like strength, muscle, bulk, like really

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Speaker 2: saw Ali, who I've talked about before, and now I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it's just it is such a relief, toot

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Speaker 2: about it. Just eat Like already today, I've had a

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Speaker 2: have that later. I'll have tuna for lunch when we

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Speaker 2: finished recording, and there's so much more food waiting for

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Speaker 2: such so liberating to actually go My body when it's

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Speaker 2: just feel better than I have in years.

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Speaker 1: Good thought, No, I mean, here's the truth, right, I

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Speaker 1: think for I don't I can't speak for you, but

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Speaker 1: I might be in the ballpark, but for me, like

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Speaker 1: even though you know you're was your undergrad in exercise physiology.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my undergrad was a Bachelor of Education in physical

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Speaker 2: applied science in exercise and sports science. That was my honors, right,

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Speaker 1: In other words, you know what to do. In other words,

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Speaker 1: you know you're university qualified in exercise programming and so on. Right,

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Speaker 1: So we know what to do, but we don't do

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Speaker 1: what we know because even though and I've done this,

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Speaker 1: I've done this most of my life. I think I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely not in the clear, but I'm better now

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Speaker 1: than I've ever been. But I've made so many emotional

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Speaker 1: even though I knew what I was doing was not

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Speaker 1: optimal from a health point of view. Yeah, but especially

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Speaker 1: but I got I got a lot of my self worth,

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Speaker 1: it's an unwoinable race because it doesn't matter for me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you. But even if I got

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Speaker 1: absolutely fucking terrible. Depends on what your perception of bodybuilding

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Speaker 2: And one of the things you said there was identity,

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Speaker 2: like flattering, complimentary kind of you know, nicknames and things.

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Speaker 2: But I identified with being always being very slim, and

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Speaker 2: you identified with being muscular and with being you know, fit,

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Speaker 2: kind of theoretically that we don't we don't want to

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Speaker 2: but you know, I do believe getting older is a gift.

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Speaker 2: I want women to know that, just you know, like

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Speaker 2: Life's getting better and my health and I'm making better

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Speaker 1: What led you to five hundred calories a day, twice

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Speaker 1: a week, Oh, that's the become part of your weekly protocol.

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Speaker 2: When I learned about the Michael Mosley five to two

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Speaker 2: intermittent fasting years and years and years ago, I remember

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Speaker 2: So I'd been fasting for a long time on and off,

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Speaker 2: easily put weight on. But I really did start predominantly

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Speaker 2: it together. I did get a bit lean. I had

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Speaker 2: noticeable and not I wasn't looking healthy, but yees. So

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Speaker 2: it had been a long time on and off, and

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Speaker 2: I'd been very clear that it was really initially mostly

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Speaker 2: how old are you? Where are you? Where are you?

431
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Speaker 2: In terms of like your like I'm thinking from a

432
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Speaker 2: woman in terms of like your hormone levels. Like what's

433
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Speaker 2: going to work for a twenty year old is not

434
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Speaker 2: going to work for a fifty year old. And just

435
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: that because they're very, very confident they've got good results.

436
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: They show a lot of skin, there's a lot of

437
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Speaker 2: you know, muscle definition and whatever. People look at that

438
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: and say, I want that, this must be the way

439
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 2: to get it, and it's yes, you know, it's like true.

440
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But then there's their age and then there's their genetics, right,

441
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Speaker 1: and you don't have either of those. You're double their

442
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Speaker 1: age and you don't have their genetics.

443
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Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, Yeah, singing from the same Hing book, Hymn book.

444
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I love that you are talking about experimenting

445
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: because and that was what when I started on my

446
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: high protein I say diet. I hate the word diet

447
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 2: because I you know, diet implies calorie restriction in my mind.

448
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: But you know, let's go eating regime, eating regime. I thought,

449
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: I'm just going to do this as an experiment. I'm

450
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Speaker 2: going to do as has been recommended to me based

451
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Speaker 2: on my with my nutritionist, my you know, lifestyle, and

452
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 2: just see what happens. I'm going to commit for a

453
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Speaker 2: month and you know, she didn't do any measurements, she

454
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Speaker 2: didn't weigh me. We just had really really good, in

455
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Speaker 2: depth conversations. And then after a month, I'm like, this

456
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Speaker 2: is working. How do I feel? How do I look?

457
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Speaker 2: You know, that's part of it, And like, and is

458
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Speaker 2: this something that I can that can become, that can

459
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Speaker 2: stay remain part of my lifestyle because it's got to

460
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Speaker 2: be something that's sustainable, and you know, just at the

461
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,239
Speaker 2: heart of it, it works for me because fundamentally my

462
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: brain knows food is coming regularly. Burn what you get,

463
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 2: you don't have to keep storing it. So my bally

464
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Speaker 2: fat my. Actually that I did measure my waist because

465
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Speaker 2: Allie said we need to keep out and I knew this.

466
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Speaker 2: I've learned this a long time ago for women eighty

467
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Speaker 2: centimeters and below and for men one hundred centimeters and below,

468
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Speaker 2: to make sure that you're not getting too much of

469
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Speaker 2: vistaal fat around your waistline. So that was the one

470
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Speaker 2: measurement I did, and I haven't re measured actually I should,

471
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: but I'm sure it'll be less. But yeah, there's no

472
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Speaker 2: one size fits all for anything. And one thing I

473
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Speaker 2: think I'd like to say is and Craig. You know

474
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Speaker 2: you've said this for many, many years, is it? If

475
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Speaker 2: you're listening and you're thinking, right, I this is the

476
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Speaker 2: conversation that has actually got me over the line. I

477
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Speaker 2: think I do. I know it's important. I'm going to

478
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Speaker 2: start doing something. Just don't be making decisions based on

479
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: if you feel like doing something or not. I think

480
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: it makes such a difference, doesn't it. When we make

481
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Speaker 2: a decision and we say to ourselves, and even if

482
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Speaker 2: it's just I'm going to go for a short walk

483
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Speaker 2: twice a week because you've been doing nothing, that is

484
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: such an improvement on doing nothing. But stick to that

485
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: because that's something that you've set for yourself and that's

486
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Speaker 2: what's important for you to do. The walk might come around.

487
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: It might be Wednesday afternoon and it's time for your walk,

488
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Speaker 2: and you might not feel like it. And as a

489
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Speaker 2: podcast guest of mine recently, and I'm not sure who

490
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Speaker 2: it was, I'd love to credit him or her, probably her,

491
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: but because I've interviewed mostly women lately, said, we often

492
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Speaker 2: make feelings based decisions and even like I feel like

493
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Speaker 2: having another drink, or I feel like skipping a meal

494
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Speaker 2: and just going straight to ice cream or I'm talking

495
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Speaker 2: about myself.

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Speaker 1: You know, is that a feeling or is that a craving?

497
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Speaker 1: That to me seems more biochemical than emotional, but it

498
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Speaker 1: is still.

499
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Speaker 2: A feeling because our emotions are in our bodies as well,

500
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: like their anxiety is, and emotion and urge a craving,

501
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: it's a yeah, we could lump those under the heading feelings.

502
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: And so because often we don't feel like doing the

503
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Speaker 2: thing that we know is important for us, that we

504
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: really want to do, we like how we feel after it,

505
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: and so yeah, I just think that if you've made

506
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Speaker 2: a commitment to yourself that this is what you're going

507
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: to do, be aware. Feelings will crop up that and

508
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: ideas will pop into your mind about all the reasons

509
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: you don't have to. Like you were saying Craig the

510
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: other night, you didn't have to go and finish your steps,

511
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: but it was a commitment you've made to yourself. You

512
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: didn't probably feel like it, but you did it well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, probably you to a lesser extent me, but

514
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Speaker 1: definitely you as well. I've spent much of my life,

515
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Speaker 1: much of my adult life, talking to people who want

516
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: to change their body right, and with that, of course,

517
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: is changing exercise regime, lifestyle, sleeping habits, food, micros, macros,

518
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, like the combination of all of it, and

519
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: the amount of people that I have given advice to

520
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: over the years that didn't do anything essentially didn't do

521
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: anything with the advice beyond the first week or two three.

522
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Speaker 1: And I'm not criticizing people. That's just an awareness I have,

523
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: and it's an observation I've made, and I you know,

524
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: one of my regular, pretty regular whiteboards is the challenges

525
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: not to stay motivated, the challenges to stay proactive and

526
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Speaker 1: productive in the absence of motivation because that I don't

527
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Speaker 1: feel like it, I can't be bothered. I'll do it

528
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: to my I mean that's everybody. That's everybody, Like I'm

529
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: pretty inspired and pretty disciplined and pretty hardcore, and of

530
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: course I every day don't feel like doing stuff. And

531
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Speaker 1: that's not to say we all have to do everything

532
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Speaker 1: all the time and we all need to be weapons

533
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: and we all need to be bloody hardcore, and no,

534
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that. But for many people, they've been

535
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: almost almost doing it for the last fucking ten years. Yeah,

536
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: and leaning into the thing they want to do, which

537
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: is instant gratification, quick fixed dopamine, you know, food, boozte, drugs, comfort,

538
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: whatever it is, couch, you know, rather than the thing

539
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: that they need to do, like, what is it that

540
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: you really want to do?

541
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: Be?

542
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: Create change? Like do you like Let's forget the process.

543
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: Let's just think about the goal or the desired outcome.

544
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: Would you like to be fit, lean and strong and

545
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: healthy and load blood pressure and lots of energy? Look good,

546
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: feel good, function good? Nearly everyone's going to say I

547
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: would like that. Well, then the next question is will

548
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: you do the work that creates that outcome? And the honest,

549
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: honest answer is no. The answer is no. And this

550
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: is why you know there are people that like my shit,

551
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: people that hate me because it's much easier to hate

552
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: me and call me a whatever then say, look, I'm

553
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: actually the problem. Like when I got out of shape,

554
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: which has been many times in my life, and when

555
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: I was morbidly obese, it was nobody in the world's fault.

556
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: And this is not about blame. This is about self

557
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: awareness and accountability and responsibility. It's not about hating yourself.

558
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: I would never want anyone to hate themselves, blame their self,

559
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: feel guilty all that shit's just emotional bullshit. We understand it.

560
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: But the truth is, and yes, there are other variables, hormones, age,

561
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: all of those things, genetics. We get that, we get that.

562
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: We're not pretending that isn't a factor. Most people that

563
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: I know that are wildly out of shape. It's got

564
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: at least a bit to do with their choices, actions, behaviors,

565
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: and lifestyle. But we live in a time where you

566
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 1: can't say that because everyone fucking runs for cover and

567
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: gets offended. So we now live in a time where

568
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: even though the practical, real world scientific reality is that

569
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: if you are overeating and undermoving, that's going to have

570
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: somewhere between a pretty and a very negative consequence. That

571
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: ain't an opinion, that's science right, yes, but you can't

572
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: say that. And I'm like, well, this is this is

573
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: a problem now because you know we at some stage

574
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: you need to find a way to do the thing

575
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: that's required, not the thing that's comfortable, because if you

576
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: are permanently your default setting is I want comfort, I

577
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: want instagratification, I want to cheer squad. I want to

578
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: be right. I don't want to be wrong. Everyone else

579
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: is the problem. I'm never the problem. Well, good fucking luck.

580
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: I know that's not politically correct, but is it true.

581
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: That's all okay? Is it true?

582
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? I know, I said too. We've got our son

583
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: will be driving next May. He'll be eighteen in May,

584
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Speaker 2: and our daughter will be sixteen in March next year,

585
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Speaker 2: and she'll be starting to drive. And I remember saying

586
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Speaker 2: to her, probably a couple of months ago, is something

587
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Speaker 2: along the lines of, like, I know our son had

588
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: done some driving and we got home and I said, like,

589
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: it's so bizarre to me that you know, in a

590
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 2: matter of six eight months, he'll be able to do

591
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: what he wants with his wheels, go where he wants.

592
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: And of course, because they've both got part time jobs,

593
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: now there's money, you know, some more expendable money. And

594
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: I said, the thing about being an adult is you

595
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: can do what you want. You can go and you

596
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: can eat chocolate all day, you can buy chips, you

597
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: can go to McDonald's as many times as you like.

598
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: You got your wheels, got your cash away, you go,

599
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: you can do these things. But I said, it's really

600
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Speaker 2: important to think about, like you've got this one body

601
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: for your whole life, and just because you can, I

602
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: mean there'll probably be the splurges when they first get

603
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: that independence. But just this, you know, there's so many

604
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: choices that we make all day, every day that can

605
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 2: go in one way in favor or against our health.

606
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: And what pains me is that it's very easy to start,

607
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 2: as long as you start small enough. And if the

608
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: first step feels too hard, it's not small enough, and

609
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: it might seem insignificant and futile to walk to your

610
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: letterbox and back. But if you do that once a day,

611
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: even if it's twenty meters and you've never done any movement,

612
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: that is a really brilliant way to get going, because

613
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: it's about establishing patterns and habits. But something else I

614
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: wanted to say was, you know how you said that

615
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: there's personal responsibility around these decisions. One of the things

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Speaker 2: I think one of the first steps some people might

617
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: need is actually to get some psychological support. And because

618
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: some people have experienced trauma in their lives, many have,

619
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Speaker 2: and sometimes some of the behaviors and habits, particularly around

620
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: food and drink and the light, can be related to that.

621
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Speaker 2: And so I've seen some brilliant changes for people. A

622
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: long time ago, I worked as an exercise physiologist on

623
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 2: a program with a group of people who were and

624
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: it was a combination program with physio and psychology and

625
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 2: GP and exercise, physiology and and nutrition, the whole works.

626
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: And just helping some people get the therapeutic support that

627
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: they need was such a beautiful kind of door to

628
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: then being able to do some more things that are

629
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: good for themselves. So I just wanted to add that

630
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 2: in because it's it's there's some more barriers I think

631
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 2: to change for some, but there's also some brilliant, brilliant

632
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: support out there if you need some psychological help as.

633
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: Well, extremely valid. My first book was about the psychology

634
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: of getting in shape. I didn't even talk about anatomy, physiology,

635
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: movement by mechanics, food.

636
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: Really yeah, yeah, yeah, people still get it.

637
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: No, no, I don't know. I'll tell you the name

638
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: off Air. I'm embarrassed of the name. But at the

639
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: time it was good. Yeah, it was well, no, it

640
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: was here. Here's what I did, right, This is how

641
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: this book eventuated. This is the sixty second version. So

642
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: I started working in gyms in eighteen at eighteen, so

643
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: by the time I was twenty eight, i'd been a

644
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: decade on the gym floor, and I owned my own

645
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: gym by the time I was twenty six, and I

646
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: kept having the same conversations. Invariably we would come back

647
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: to thinking, beliefs, behaviors, relationship with food, excuses, rationalizing, you know,

648
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: and emotions and feelings and numbing ourselves with food and

649
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: making decisions that were out of alignment with who and

650
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: how we wanted to be, and the way that we

651
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: socialized around food and the way that we rationalized over eating,

652
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: and so much of it was about mind and emotion.

653
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: And I would tell people that getting in shape is

654
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: largely not a physical process. It's a psychological, emotional, sociological,

655
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: and behavioral process with a physical outcome, like the result

656
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: is your body, but all the other stuff. It's like,

657
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: you don't you know when I ate three hamburgers, which

658
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: I would regularly back in the day, Yeah, I didn't

659
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: accidentally ate three hamburgers. I chose them. I made a decision.

660
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: I went, I bought the hamburgers, I paid for the hamburgers.

661
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: I chose them. I ate them. Right now, that's not

662
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: unconscious and you can go, oh, yeah, but look, ultimately,

663
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: you know I did that now again, not self loathing

664
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: not hate not self. But let's just go, yeah, Craig,

665
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: you did that, and you know that's not great. So

666
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: let's not throw ourselves under the bus. But let's just

667
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: acknowledge that you're not making great decisions. Can we agree

668
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: on that? Well? Yeah, you know, so I'm with you.

669
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: I just think that I think that we need compassionate

670
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: awareness and empathy. I also think we need to be

671
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: honest and real.

672
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: Yes, And I mean.

673
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: When people are choosing to do things not everyone's got

674
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, at some stage we've got to stop rationalizing

675
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: stupid choices. And at some we can't always go oh,

676
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: it's okay. Really, like, why why is it always okay?

677
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: Why don't we go no, that's not okay. That's not

678
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: okay for you, and we can't like for me, it

679
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like it sometimes, But I care so much

680
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: about people being happy, functional, healthy, But I see them

681
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: destroying themselves while people around them enabling that. I'm like,

682
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: that's not love. You think that's love. That's self destruction

683
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: and you're cheering them on. Yeah, Like it's like, don't

684
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: enable this terrible behavior because you're too uncomfortable to have

685
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: a real conversation with a person who's killing themselves. Yes,

686
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: love them, care for them, support them, listen to them,

687
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: give them a hug, be kind, also tell the truth

688
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: with compassion. You know, I think this is Do you

689
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: think about this? We are talking more about mental health

690
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: and resilience and physical health and emotional health and awareness

691
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: and bullying and all of these things. Guess what. Our

692
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: population is the most obese it's ever been. We are

693
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: more dysfunctional than ever. We've got more mental health issues

694
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: surfacing than ever. People don't want to leave their homes.

695
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: Things are getting worse. Yeah, why do you think that is? Well,

696
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: but we've got more services and more awareness and more people. Cool. Great,

697
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: that's all good. But at some stage the individual in

698
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: the middle of the life, they need to step up too.

699
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: Otherwise that person's going to wake up in a minute

700
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: and be fifty and go, oh fuck, I just missed

701
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: my life.

702
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: I know, I know. And that's that's what I think

703
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: about as well. And I just think about you know,

704
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: one of the great habit trackers is to literally have

705
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: a you know, I'm just holding up like a calendar

706
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: that where you just tick every day the behavior that

707
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: you're wanting to sort of really make a regular part

708
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 2: of your routine and string it. You know, it's the streak,

709
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: isn't It's the ultimate streak like on our apps and

710
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: do a lingo and all that kind of stuff. And

711
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: just to think that in thirty days, if you've done

712
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: a short walk each day, or you've sat in front

713
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 2: of you stood in front of your couch if you're

714
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: able to, or your chair in your dining room and

715
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: just sit your bum on your chair and then stand

716
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: and see if you can do it without holding on

717
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: and if you can't, will hold on and you'll build

718
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: your strength over time and do five chair sits to stand.

719
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: You know, like after thirty days you've done one hundred

720
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: and fifty reps and you know, I know, I know.

721
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: Also it's hard, Like I know people would look at

722
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: me and what I do and you and what you

723
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: do and think that we always feel super excited about

724
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: our exercise and our training, which we've said we don't.

725
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: And like the motto that we often have and I

726
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: say to some of the people I train with, is like,

727
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: like my motto is I'll just show up. I will

728
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: show up and I will do what I can with

729
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: what I've got on the day, which is more normally

730
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: than what I predict i'll have. But just showing up

731
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: is a really beautiful because it gives you give yourself

732
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: like the grace to do what you can and just

733
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: to maintain that consistency and build that habit. And if

734
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: you can do it and find amazing people to do

735
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: it with, that is something that will helped keep you

736
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 2: going as well.

737
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: And I think the ability to go, oh, this is

738
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: going to be hard and that's okay, Yes, this will suck. Fine,

739
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: it's not. Everything has to be comfortable, and that's that

740
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: when our internal sat nab is set on comfort, that's

741
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: a problem. I love comfort. I'm comfortable often. I love

742
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: lying on my bed watching shit. I love sitting out

743
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: the front of my garden with my feet up and

744
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: the sun. You know, I love all of that, and

745
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: I do that. But also, you know, I do the

746
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: shit that I don't want to do, but the shit

747
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: that I need to do to create the results I

748
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: want in my life. Yeah, and you know, like people,

749
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: I get I get this a little bit. And I understand,

750
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: by the way, anyone who thinks I am hardcore or extreme,

751
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: I totally understand that. But like, this is the interesting

752
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: thing you need to or we need to realize that

753
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: in my head, in my body, in my life, the

754
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: things that I do are not extreme. They're just things

755
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: that work for me. But looking through a different window,

756
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: I totally understand how somebody would go, ah, he's unhinged, right,

757
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: I get it. I get that, and I'm not offended

758
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: by that because we see things as we are, not

759
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: as they are, right, And so I can look at

760
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: somebody else who goes nightclubbing five nights a week, and

761
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is wrong with you? But then that's

762
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: just a week, that's just standard, that's not even because

763
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: most of their friends do similar, right, So not good

764
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: or bad, it's just this is me, that's you. But

765
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: I I've met many, many, many people, hundreds, maybe thousands

766
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: of people who are sick, who've got heart disease, who've

767
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: got cancer, who've got diabetes, who've got things that are

768
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: going to end their life soon, sooner than was necessary.

769
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: And many of those people and again this is I

770
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: mean this in love and compassion. You know, they know,

771
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: apart from the genetic stuff, which we think, disease is

772
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: about fifteen to twenty percent genetic and eighty eighty five

773
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: percent lifestyle behavioral all that stuff. We're not sure, but

774
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: that's the number that gets banded around. But I've never

775
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: met anyone who's got diabetes, lifestyle diabetes, type two diabetes,

776
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: who's who's really overweight, who's really unfit, who's really struggling

777
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: for breath, who were really in bad shape, and they

778
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: go to me, Oh, it was all worth it, Like

779
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: nobody says it was worth it. Nobody everybody wishes they

780
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: had have taken care of themselves. Not one person goes

781
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: in the middle of their pain and their discomfort and

782
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: their shortened life expectancy. And this is I don't know

783
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: if this is dramatic, I don't know, but I just

784
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: I you know, recently I've spoken to people and you know,

785
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: I don't go, well, you're a sausage, aren't you. I go, well,

786
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. So what can we do? Now,

787
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can improve the quality of your

788
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: life and quality of your health, and maybe we can

789
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: add another year or two or three, who knows, but

790
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: let's you know, there's no lamenting and there's no dwelling,

791
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: and there's no judgment. But you know that person who

792
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: now is maybe heading towards an early death in their

793
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: fifties or even forties. You know, one of my very

794
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: close friends I had dinner with last year and I

795
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: literally at dinner with him, said to him how much

796
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: I was worried about him and told him I love

797
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: him and told him. I said to him, I know

798
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: I annoy you. I don't care. I'm gonna keep annoying you.

799
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: One of the smartest people I know. And he was

800
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: dead six days later and two small kids. Two small kids, right,

801
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: And I used to talk to him regularly. We would

802
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: have dinner once a month, but we talk on the phone.

803
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: And he used to say, I know, I know you're right,

804
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: You're right. You know I'm not trying to be melodramatic.

805
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: One hundred pcent true story. And it's just like, you

806
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: know you can we like you said, we've got one body.

807
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: You got one body, can't get another one. Yeah, you

808
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: can get more stuff, you can get another house, another car,

809
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: you can get more dough, you can even get another husband,

810
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: you get heaps of them. But you can't get another body.

811
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 2: You can't. And what you were saying, I'm really I'm

812
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: so sorry to hear that. And unfortunately that that's that's

813
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: not a one off that, and I can think of

814
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: two men in my social circle who I could sit

815
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: down with and have good conversation with. One who announced

816
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: for the updeenth time at our place watching the footy

817
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: last week that he was quitting smoking, and like, nobody

818
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: takes it seriously anymore, because and I've never smoked. My

819
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: parents both did. They both gave up cold turkey, thank goodness,

820
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: many many decades ago. But I have no idea how

821
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: hard that is. But he was very clear on his

822
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: values and his reasons why. But nobody took him particularly

823
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: like I. Actually they even said, Jody, you're taking this

824
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 2: very seriously, like this is going to be any different

825
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: kind of thing, And I'm like, well, I want it

826
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: to be. I really want this for you. Yes, But

827
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: what you were saying was that nobody says it was

828
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: worth it. There's a lot of regret and the beauty,

829
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: the beauty of like twenty years ago might have been

830
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: the best time, today's the next the second best time,

831
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: as the saying goes, And so the beauty in starting

832
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: now is not only in ten years, five years, ten years,

833
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: fifteen years, will you be in a better position and

834
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: less likely to be to succumb to maybe a lifestyle

835
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: disease that could have been prevented. But it's not like

836
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 2: the next five, ten to fifteen years while you're looking

837
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: after yourself miserable. It's actually like it elevates your life

838
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 2: daily to do it. So it's the bonus of preventing

839
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 2: disease or delaying it or minimizing the effects on you.

840
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: But day to day, like you say, getting up early

841
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: and doing your walk, or whether it's whatever it is

842
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: that people are introducing that it's a good feeling to think,

843
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: you know what your body can do for you. And

844
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: I had some I've told you and I'm soon to launch,

845
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: but I've got something really special coming. In boxes and

846
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: boxes of this very special thing that's coming, we're delivered

847
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: and I was able to carry two boxes at a

848
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: time and help the delivery guy and I sort of

849
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 2: like I just clocked it and thought, I'm strong enough

850
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 2: to do this, and it it's just a one off thing.

851
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: It's not going to be a regular I'm carrying heavy boxes.

852
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: But the mood, the strength, the satisfaction of looking after yourself,

853
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 2: the energy, the clarity, the role modeling for our children,

854
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: they will exercise if they see their parents exercise years ago.

855
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: The research actually did say it was when the children

856
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 2: are younger the mother's exercise habits are the most influential

857
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: on children's future exercise habits. Now. I don't know what

858
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: the current research is. I haven't looked at it in

859
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: a long time, but so many benefits to it. And

860
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 2: we're not some sort of mad club of people who

861
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: just like pain or discomfort. We just we work at

862
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: a level that's a challenge for us. We challenge ourselves

863
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: over time to do more as we get fitter and stronger,

864
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: and we do it because of the way it makes

865
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: us feel and the way it sets us up to

866
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: have the best life in the one body that we've got. Anyway,

867
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: I'll hop down off my soapbox.

868
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: No, no, you're right, and I mean one of the yeah,

869
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: we better wind up. But one of the things that

870
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: I get from people consistently over the years, not every day,

871
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: but semi regularly is mate, I just don't have the

872
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: time to do all the shit that you do, like

873
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: all the And I go, oh, okay, well, I work

874
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: full time and I'm doing a PhD. And I do

875
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: one hundred gigs a year and I do three hundred

876
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: and sixty five podcasts a year, and I don't need

877
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: accolades for that. But so I'm pretty busy.

878
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: I'm pretty It's not like we're one of the busiest people.

879
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: I know. It's not like all I do is lift

880
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: shit and walk, right, So I don't know that. But

881
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: also the other thing is when you's okay, twenty four

882
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: hours a day, Let's say we're in bed for eight

883
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: that leaves us sixteen. Now, even if we do one

884
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: hour a day, that leaves us fifteen and yeah, oh yeah,

885
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: but traveling, I get it. But where you're awake for

886
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: sixteen give or take one of those, Let's say you

887
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: exercise consistently. I mean, I don't know what that is.

888
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: That's probably like six percent of your day or something

889
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: like that. And you go. But here's the thing. When

890
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: you do that work. When you do that work, you

891
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: have more energy, your brain works better, you're more productive,

892
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: you're more focused, you produce better outcomes because everything works better.

893
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: So now because you're fit, strong, healthy, functional, now you're

894
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: working at nine out of ten, not seven or six

895
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: or five out of ten. And I've said this many times.

896
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, the main benefit for me is not only

897
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: which I am Lena, And all of those esthetic things

898
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: are okay, I guess. Except the problem is when you're

899
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: sixty one and you get leaner, you look like a

900
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: fucking old desert boot in the face. But i'd have

901
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: to get some ten years. I might have to get

902
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: some gaffer tape and pull my head back, my face back.

903
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: But but the thing is that, like my energy is

904
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: as good as it's ever been, I feel like my

905
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: cognition is as good as it's ever been in all round,

906
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: like mental acuity, like solving problem thinking, being creative, remembering shit,

907
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: applying stuff, solving problems, you know, having deep and meaningful conversations,

908
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: being present, all that stuff. And I'm very grateful for that.

909
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: And I am absolutely positive that I didn't live. If

910
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: I didn't live the way that I do, that would

911
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: not be the case at all at all. And so

912
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: because I do this work for my body, then when

913
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: I go to do my job or my research or

914
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: my whatever, I'm performing at a higher level and I

915
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: get more done in less time at a better standard.

916
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. That's it, And you you are, Honestly,

917
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 2: I do often think about how busy you are, and

918
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 2: like a pH I did my PhD full time and

919
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 2: I barely had even a part time job while I

920
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: was doing it. It was hard yacker. It was so hard.

921
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: There were days I'd put my head on the table

922
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 2: and have a little nap at my desk.

923
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: Says, you did it the smart way, I'm doing it

924
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: the stupid but also you did it in what four years? Yes, yeah,

925
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing it in six cause dumbas I'm doing remedial PhD.

926
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: Oh look, I reckon you're doing You are doing the

927
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: harder road because it's a long long time. But it's

928
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: whichever every way you slice it, it's it's really really tough.

929
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: But what you've just said is so like this. It

930
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 2: rings so true and the mood benefits that you get

931
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: from it, just even just a short walk. If you

932
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: don't have an hour a day, cut it in half,

933
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: thirty minutes a day, just try to create a habit

934
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: where you can, because you know, like for me and

935
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: my mental health, twenty years of undiagnosed anxiety, the reason

936
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: I think I cope as well as I did until

937
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: I didn't and went down here with major depressive disorder

938
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: was because I was so active. I didn't I wasn't

939
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 2: doing it to help my mental health. It's just so happened.

940
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: I was so active that my mental health sort of

941
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: remained fairly buoyant despite an anxiety disorder for a long

942
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: long time. So there's so many reasons not to and

943
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: there's sorry, there's so many reasons to do it, and

944
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: there's no good reason not to. I mean, however, you

945
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 2: are able, and you know, different people have different capacity,

946
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: injuries and abilities, but there's always something that you can do.

947
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 2: And if you need some advice, exercise physiologists are great,

948
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: and if you are struggling with a complex and chronic

949
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 2: health condition, your doctor can write you an Enhanced Primary

950
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: Care Plan and EPC, which will give you access to

951
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 2: five appointments with and you know they're usually split between two,

952
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: whether that's physio or exercise physiologist or a pedetist, whatever

953
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: you need to and there are no cost to you.

954
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: They're paid for by the government to help get you

955
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: started and on track. So there's lots and lots of

956
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: support aside from Craig one hundred.

957
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't rely on me. I'm going to tell you

958
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: one quick story which you'll like. So and I forgot

959
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: about this years ago. I had a lady that who

960
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: was great, but she had not but she had and

961
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: she had I think she had six kids, right, so

962
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: she had Harby six kids, like, and she was busy

963
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: and she would get up early, she would do all

964
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: the things. She was She was a mum. That was her.

965
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: That was a role. That was her job in inverted

966
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: commas and the hardest job of all time, by the way.

967
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 1: And she used to say to me, by the time,

968
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, seven thirty at night is kind of when

969
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: I get some me time. And she would typically work

970
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: from or be busy from five thirty am, just manic

971
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: till seven thirty pm. And she would see me once

972
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: or twice a week to train, which was great, but

973
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: not enough. And she's like, and I can't go for

974
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: a run outside because I'm scared and bah blah blah

975
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: blah blah. And I said, what do you do between

976
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: what time do you go to bed? She go, and

977
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: she said about ten thirty, and I go, so you,

978
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: so what do you do between seven thirty? She said?

979
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: I would iron and watch TV iron fold closed and

980
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: sometimes just sit on the couch. You know, that's my downtime.

981
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: Like the little kids have gone to bed and it's

982
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, so she would have seven thirty to ten

983
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: thirty and I said, so this is what I did

984
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: with her. I said, so, I've got an old bike

985
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: that I had in a store room, which was just

986
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: one of those old Repco bikes that I didn't need

987
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: in the gym. It was absolutely fine, but it was just,

988
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, a ten year old model. And I said,

989
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to drop this bike to your house. She

990
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: lived a few k's from the gym, and I said,

991
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: because I did a bit of work in Tally, I

992
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: know that I don't know what it is now, but

993
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: it's probably very similar. Every hour of nighttime television has

994
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes of ads, so she would typically be

995
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: watching Tally seven thirty to ten thirty, which is three hours,

996
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: which is twenty one hours a week. Right. So I

997
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: said to this is what I want you to do.

998
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: Every time an ad comes on. I want you to

999
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: ride the bike, and I want you to ride it

1000
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: not hard so you're killing yourself, but I don't want

1001
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: your legs just rolling over. So it's going to be

1002
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: probably give or take about three minutes of you working

1003
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: moderately on the bike. But what it means is you've

1004
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: watched all your tally, you've folded your clothes, you've hung out,

1005
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: you've had a fair share of sitting on the couch.

1006
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: But also at the end of the night, without leaving

1007
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: the hon without buying any equipment, without joining another gym,

1008
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: or you've done forty five minutes of exercise that you

1009
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: hadn't done before. And she did thirty days, which is

1010
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: one three hundred and fifty minutes of bike at a

1011
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: reasonable level that she hadn't done before. Yeah, and in

1012
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: four weeks, and I said, I absolutely don't want you

1013
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: to change any other variable. And in four weeks, so

1014
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: she was around I remember how much weight she lost,

1015
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to remember what her actual body weight was.

1016
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: And again, yes, it's not all about body weight, we

1017
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: get that everyone. It's about body comp But she wanted

1018
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: to lose about fifteen kilos, which was probably about right

1019
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: for her. And she lost four and a half kilos

1020
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: in the four weeks or the twenty eight days, not

1021
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: thirty days. She lost four and a half kilos and

1022
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: that was the only thing that she changed. And it's

1023
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: so like sometimes, by the way, is that easy. No,

1024
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: it's not easy. Simple though it's simple. It's like, get

1025
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: on a bike, pedal ads finished, get off, bue on

1026
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: the couch, folds some clothes, have a sleep, whatever adds

1027
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: back on, get on the bike. It's not complicated. It's simple.

1028
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 1: But no, it's not easy or comfortable. And I said,

1029
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: just do that every night for twenty eight days and

1030
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: let's see what happens. Don't change your food, don't train

1031
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: more outside the gym or outside that. Yeah, and it's

1032
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: so like, oh oh well, yeah, like it doesn't. You

1033
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: don't need to be a genius, you don't need million

1034
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: dollars of resources, you don't need to be athletically gifted

1035
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: or genetically gifted. Just here's a thing. Can you do it? Yeah,

1036
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: don't do it for a week and go oh yeah,

1037
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: but then this, just just do it. Yeah and it worked.

1038
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, it's it's just one of those beautiful suggestions

1039
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 2: that you've made that it's been life changing for her,

1040
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: and it's show that there are pockets of time. I mean,

1041
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: we've all got pockets of time, and we've all got

1042
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 2: choice as to how we use the time we've got.

1043
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: We've all got the same amount of time, and life

1044
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 2: is just I used to know you know that feeling

1045
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: of complete Oh, I've done everything, I've ticked everything off.

1046
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: I've got a whiteboard in here and it's got so

1047
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: many things written on. I'm just adding to it at

1048
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: the moment and sometimes wiping something off when it's taken

1049
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 2: care of. But if we just realize that there's always

1050
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: something to do, and that the world isn't going to

1051
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 2: usually fall apart if some things don't get done today

1052
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 2: and they have to wait till tomorrow, but ultimately our

1053
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 2: bodies will start to fall apart if we keep putting

1054
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: off the things that we know will make a difference.

1055
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 2: And you're lapping everyone on the couch. I don't know

1056
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 2: where I read that, but years ago I just used

1057
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 2: to think, well, whatever I'm doing, I am doing so

1058
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 2: much more than anyone who's sitting on the couch right now.

1059
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 2: And it wasn't about doing better than anyone else. It

1060
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 2: was about what I could do for me. But it's just, yeah,

1061
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: I do believe we've got the time. It might mean

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Speaker 2: making some sacrifices, but we've got to make the sacrifices

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Speaker 2: now or later.

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Speaker 1: We certainly do love talking to you. You're great. Tell

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Speaker 1: everyone where to find you. Follow you, get your books,

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Speaker 1: listen to your amazing well hello anxiety podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've done two hundred episodes now too, Craig, so

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Speaker 2: that is very exciting.

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Speaker 1: I know, like week, that actually is a lot. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think the average podcaster, of course most two fall

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Speaker 1: by the wayside, but do something like seven. So two

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Speaker 1: hundred and I know you're talking to me who's done

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Speaker 1: a lot, but two hundred is actually a lot. Well done,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I would love it. Look if people are keen to jump,

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Speaker 2: like if you're keen to know about what it is

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Speaker 2: that I'm about to release. If you're a parent, or

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Speaker 2: an educator or a health professional who works with anxious

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Speaker 2: kids teens, or has an anxious kid or teen in

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Speaker 2: your home, then you'll be the first to know what's coming.

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Speaker 2: Because I've got a limited supply. So my newsletter is

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Speaker 2: at the bottom of my website. You just scroll down

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Speaker 2: and into your details and it's doctor Jody Richardson dot

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Speaker 2: com is my website. So either that or follow me

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Speaker 2: on Insta and you'll hear about it soon. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: thanks for having me, Craig. It's always so great to chat.

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Speaker 1: I feel I feel like we cheat a bit because

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Speaker 1: it doesn't feel very podcasting. It just feels like a chat.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah it does, I know, right, it does feel

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Speaker 2: just like a chat. I forget people are listening to us.

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Speaker 1: It's all good. Well, say goodbye our fair but for now, Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Joe, thanks having me. Craig Seizing