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Speaker 1: Listeners are advised that this podcast series Bromwin contains coarse

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Speaker 1: language and adult themes. This podcast series is brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Me Headley Thomas and The Australian.

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Speaker 2: When we moved to Lennox head I was even more lonely.

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Speaker 2: The house that was Bill became John's castle. In my prison.

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Speaker 1: Roman Winfield wrote these words shortly before she disappeared one

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Speaker 1: Sunday night in May nineteen ninety three. She had been

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Speaker 1: to see her GP a couple of days earlier and

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Speaker 1: was in good physical health. Apart from having strained her hand.

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Speaker 1: She was of sound mind and had no known mental illness.

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Speaker 1: A brief period of post natal depression after the birth

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Speaker 1: five years earlier of her second daughter was well behind.

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Speaker 3: Bromwin.

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Speaker 4: Where do you want to go.

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Speaker 5: Today?

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Speaker 1: Thirty one years since the sudden disappearance of a mother

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Speaker 1: of two little girls.

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Speaker 3: I'm driving on.

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Speaker 1: A winding road south of Byron Bay to the house

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Speaker 1: that Bromwin had called her prison. Past former dairy and

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Speaker 1: sugar cane farms subdivided for residential housing estates and the

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Speaker 1: Great Australian Family Dream. A three or four bedroom, two

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Speaker 1: bathroom bricantile close to the.

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Speaker 6: Beach getting directions to Sandstone Crescent Lennox Head.

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Speaker 1: The Pacific Ocean is tantalizingly close. You can hear it,

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Speaker 1: smell it, its saltiness. Linger on an easterly zephyr of

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Speaker 1: a breeze. In luxury homes with views over smoothly curving coastline, binoculars.

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Speaker 3: Are at the ready for the first sightings of.

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Speaker 1: Humpback whales on their annual migratory journey from Antarctica. They

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Speaker 1: perform in the warm waters of an aquatic backyard off

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Speaker 1: the most easterly part of Australia's mainland and the lighthouse

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Speaker 1: at Byron Bay. It's a quieter, gentler lifestyle in this

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Speaker 1: place everyone calls Lennox. It's less crowded here, more chilled

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Speaker 1: than the nearby more famous Byron Roman left indelible imprints

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Speaker 1: on those who loved her, Yet her thirty one years

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Speaker 1: disappeared with barely a ripple in the wider world. Her life,

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Speaker 1: her suspicious disappearance, and her highly probable death have barely

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Speaker 1: been reported, except from time to time by regional TV

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Speaker 1: and The Northern Star. The newspaper ceased publication in print

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, but Bromwin left behind her writings, her

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Speaker 1: reflections on her life, her marriage and loved ones, with

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Speaker 1: the occasional underlining and crossed out word on sheets of

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Speaker 1: a four paper. They are poignant and compelling. All these

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Speaker 1: years later, I picture Bromwyn writing in quiet moments between

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Speaker 1: getting her two girls ready for school and working part

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Speaker 1: time in a local takeaway store called Eden's down near

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Speaker 2: My idea of a lasting love is being able to

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Speaker 2: tell your partner anything and it doesn't make a difference

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Speaker 2: to your relationship. Trust, being kind to one another when

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Speaker 2: you're down, supportive, having time for each other always, as

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Speaker 2: well as time for other people.

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Speaker 1: Her family, friends and neighbors tell me she was determined

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Speaker 1: to remain separated from her husband of six years, John Winfield,

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Speaker 1: wanted to go her own way. She was pursuing a divorce.

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Speaker 1: Her good friends in this idyllic beachside town in northern

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Speaker 1: New South Wales supported her. They were all school mums

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Speaker 1: with small children who played together. They shared instant coffees,

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Speaker 1: confided troubling things about her marriage. She was close to

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Speaker 1: her brother Andy and his wife Michelle, who lived in Sydney,

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Speaker 3: It was where.

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Speaker 1: Bromwin had grown up. She had close cousins there, including

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Speaker 1: Megan Reid. She had her Auntie Leah and uncle John

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Speaker 1: and her half sister Melissa. Her mother Barbara, and her

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Speaker 1: half sister Kim Marshall lived another hour away in Tasmania.

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Speaker 1: All of these family members talked regularly to Bromwin. Kim

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Speaker 1: was about to travel north to Lennox because Bromwin had

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Speaker 3: Nobody had heard of any.

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Speaker 1: Plans by Bromwin to suddenly go away to disappear. Writing

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Speaker 1: bad for her and her girls perhaps felt cathartic. Liberating

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Speaker 1: the house in Lennox was a heavy burden.

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Speaker 2: I drifted away from John as he became more and

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Speaker 2: he was so unhappy and depressed and hated life, and

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Speaker 1: Friends and neighbors tell me John would obsess and see

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Speaker 1: The house could never be clean enough for John. A

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Speaker 1: He was often unhappy when visitors dropped by. Sometimes he

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Speaker 1: Company and support of her friends. But the children would

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Speaker 1: play with their friends in the garage to ensure no

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Speaker 1: around on eggshells. She worried about how John would react

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Speaker 1: The tensions must have been unbearable at times. Their marriage

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Speaker 1: was clearly doomed. On March twenty one, nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 1: Bromwin and John formally separated.

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Speaker 2: Eventually, I switched off and became cold inside. He had

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Speaker 2: a heart of ice and always criticized me. No matter

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Speaker 2: what I did. The man was cold and heartless and

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Speaker 2: gave nothing but expected everything.

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Speaker 1: Bromwyn shared recollections and sorrows, hurts, and philosophical musings with

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Speaker 1: her notepad. But for whom was she writing all of

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Speaker 1: this in nineteen ninety three? Why had she begun to

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Speaker 1: put it all down? Bromwin hadn't kept a journal before.

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Speaker 1: Bromwin's family and friends tell me she lived for her

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Speaker 1: two daughters, Crystal, aged ten, and Lauren five. She loved

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Speaker 1: those girls to bits. Her devotion every day was obvious

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Speaker 1: to all who knew her. The three were inseparable, and

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Speaker 1: Romin was a caring, nurturing mother. Nobody has suggested otherwise.

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Speaker 2: My children have suffered from the environment that surrounded them.

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Speaker 2: It is equally important to be honest with them and

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Speaker 2: to tell them about their past, as you not only

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Speaker 2: suffer from denying the truth, but so do they.

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Speaker 1: As I read all of it, some big questions are inescapable?

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Speaker 1: Are Rombin's writings the artifacts of a woman looking back

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Speaker 1: on the thirty one years of her life to that moment,

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Speaker 1: a woman looking forward with her two girls to a happier,

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Speaker 1: brighter future, as a newly single mum finally freed of

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Speaker 1: the shackles and sadness she felt in an intolerable marriage

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Speaker 1: to John.

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Speaker 2: I was surrounded by hate and abuse in various ways

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Speaker 2: as a child, and am determined not to allow this

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Speaker 2: to happen to my girls or myself ever again. No

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Speaker 2: one will ever intimidate me again, nor will I allow

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Speaker 2: anyone to force their opinions onto me, as this can

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Speaker 2: cause damage to myself as well as my children. If

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Speaker 2: love means not being trusted to be yourself, or thinking

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Speaker 2: that everyone is out to own you paranoia, then it

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Speaker 2: is not my idea of happiness.

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Speaker 1: Or are they the nuanced words of a woman who

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Speaker 1: heartfelt behind for her loved ones. When Romwin wrote in

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Speaker 1: imminently and dramatically change everything by leaving everyone who loved her,

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Speaker 1: including her daughters? Was she intending to vanish without explanation

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Speaker 3: She knew again.

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Speaker 2: Everyone has both good and bad, and I've confronted the

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Speaker 2: bad in myself and realized I am human. We all

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Speaker 2: make mistakes. I can forgive myself and will now live

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Speaker 2: with my memories in peace. I will always remember the

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Speaker 2: people I meet. I will be fine now. A little

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Speaker 2: break for a few weeks, and everyone will see the

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Speaker 2: old me look out.

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Speaker 1: Over months of visits to Lenox, nearby towns and villages,

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Speaker 1: talking to people who knew Bromwin and seeking answers to

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Speaker 1: light on what happened to Bromen on the night of

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Speaker 1: May sixteenth, nineteen ninety three, when John was the last

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Speaker 3: Home in Sandstone Crescent.

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Speaker 1: In this enclave worshiped by dedicated surfers and made affluent

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Speaker 1: by Sea Change property owners, people who know more than

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Speaker 1: they've let on before about Broman's fate are coming forward.

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Speaker 1: Former police detectives are sharing information with me. Many hundreds

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Speaker 1: of pages of evidence are being scrutinized for clues.

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Speaker 3: Here's one example.

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Speaker 1: On April two, nineteen ninety three, Doreen Strong from the

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Speaker 1: Ballena Byron Family Support Service made a handwritten diary note

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Speaker 1: about the first of several contacts with the newly singled

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Speaker 1: Bromwin from the Life Lennox Head.

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Speaker 7: Bronwyn Winfield left husband ten days ago emotional violence, custody

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Speaker 7: threats being to solicitor. Received advice regarding custody. Feels better

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Speaker 7: but needs support. We are to call Monday regarding availability

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Speaker 1: Bromwin saw three different solicitors after her separation from John.

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Speaker 1: On March twenty one, nineteen ninety three, she sought advice

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Speaker 1: an intended division of their assets. The solicitor she had

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Speaker 1: decided to stay with, Chrismkdebitt, was based in the nearby

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Speaker 1: was scheduled for Monday, May seventeenth. I have a copy

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Speaker 1: of a page from her notepad with the time Bromwin

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Speaker 1: But Bromwin disappeared the night before Sunday, May sixteenth, nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety three, and as she didn't meet her solicitor or

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Speaker 1: that had been made for divorce and the sale of

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Speaker 1: the house were quietly shelved. John kept his castle on Sandstone.

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Speaker 4: Crescent Head south on Balana Street.

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Speaker 6: In seven hundred meters at the roundabout, take this second

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Speaker 6: exit onto North Creek Road.

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Speaker 1: A good wave is peeling this sunny afternoon. Board riders

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Speaker 1: are carving across the face of swollen waves at a

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Speaker 1: beach known as Boulders. Boulders Beach is still John Winfield's

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Speaker 1: favorite location when he paddles out for a wave. Bromwin's

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Speaker 1: husband didn't leave Lennox Head after she vanished, but why

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Speaker 1: would he? John has always emphatically denied wrongdoing. In two

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Speaker 1: thousand and two, a senior coroner made a formal finding

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Speaker 1: that Bromwin was dead and he ended an inquest which

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Speaker 1: had traversed a large amount of evidence over five days

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Speaker 1: of hearings in a courtroom in Lismore. More importantly, the

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Speaker 1: senior coroner recommended to the Director of Public Prosecutions in

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Speaker 1: New South Wales that a known person, Bromwin's husband, John Winfield,

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Speaker 1: should be prosecuted over her alleged murder, but the DPP

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Speaker 1: firmly refused to prosecute.

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Speaker 8: Wish to advise that after careful consideration of the matter,

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Speaker 8: referred to him by the coroner and following further investigation,

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Speaker 8: the Director of Public Prosecutions is not satisfied that there

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Speaker 8: is sufficient evidence to lay any charge against Jonathan Winfield

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Speaker 8: at this time.

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Speaker 1: The prosecuting agency confirmed its decision in a letter of

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Speaker 1: just one sentence. The letter went to the police who

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Speaker 1: had reinvestigated Bromwan's case for the inquest. Roman's brother Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid and his wife Michelle were astonished. They wrote to

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Speaker 1: the office of the DPP in early two thousand and three.

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Speaker 9: We are writing to you on behalf of ourselves and

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Speaker 9: the Reed family to formally request a full explanation as

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Speaker 9: to why the Crown Prosecutor in Lismore and the Director

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Speaker 9: of Public Prosecutions in Sydney have decided is not sufficient

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Speaker 9: evidence to lay charge against mister Jonathan Winfield.

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Speaker 11: The disappearance of your sister Bronwin Winfield in May nineteen

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Speaker 17: another missing person case that I was very heavily involved

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Speaker 17: in back in the early nineteen nineties of my neighbor

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Speaker 17: and good friend, missus Bronwyn Winfield of Sandstone Crescent, linox Head.

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Speaker 17: This case was also investigated by police in a minor

441
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 17: way in the initial days of her disappearing.

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Speaker 1: She explained what Carl had disclosed some months earlier, that

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Speaker 1: his coronial inquiry had found that Bromwyn was dead.

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00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 17: Deborah added this inquiry deemed that a known person was

445
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Speaker 17: responsible for her disappearance. It was recommended to the Director

446
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 17: of Public Prosecutions to pursue it to trial. However, this

447
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 17: never has eventuated, even though the coroner deemed there was

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Speaker 17: enough evidence to convict this man. The reason stated by

449
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Speaker 17: DPP was that as there was never a body found,

450
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 17: they were not prepared to waste taxpayers dollars for a

451
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 17: non conviction. This man, John Winfield, continues, as does Chris Dawson,

452
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Speaker 17: to proclaim his wife just ran off and joined a

453
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Speaker 17: cult or went with another man. There is so much

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Speaker 17: more I could inform you of in this case, but

455
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 17: it would take me hours. I just thought I needed

456
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 17: to highlight the extreme similarities of my best friend's case.

457
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 17: I really hope that justice is done for both these

458
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 17: poor women. Regards Deborah.

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Speaker 1: The following month, a woman living in Kim Marshall emailed

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Speaker 1: to tell me that her half sister, Bromwin Winfield, had

461
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Speaker 1: been missing since May nineteen ninety three. When we spoke

462
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: on the telephone, Kim told me that it was a

463
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: homicide squad cold case, but it had gone very cold.

464
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Speaker 1: Kim told me back then in late twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 18: I carry this load each week and have an obligation

466
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Speaker 18: to try harder to find her body. I truly believe

467
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Speaker 18: her body can be found.

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Speaker 1: At the time, Chris Dawson remained a free man, enjoying

469
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Speaker 1: his retirement near the Beach on Queensland's Sunshine Coast, but

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Speaker 1: he and the criminal justice system were under enormous pressure

471
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Speaker 1: from the teacher's pet and listeners who had heard damning

472
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Speaker 1: evidence of the system's failure. Failure not just for the

473
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: absence of justice fall in, but for never even investigating

474
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: a culture of grooming and sexual exploitation of Northern Beaches

475
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: high school girls by teachers, including Chris Dawson. At that time,

476
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: new witnesses were coming forward to talk to me in

477
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: the podcast. In twenty eighteen, some new witnesses were going

478
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: straight to police with evidence about Chris and Lynn, her

479
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two disappearance and a ring of teachers who

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Speaker 1: had pursued high school girls. There had been a lot

481
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Speaker 1: of damage caused. It finally culminated in homicide Squad detectives

482
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Speaker 1: arresting Chris and extraditing him to Sydney to be charged

483
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Speaker 1: with Lynn's murder on December.

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Speaker 3: Five, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Over the years since my folder of Bromwin Winfield files

486
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: grew steadily Bromwin's half sister, Kim Marshall, and others who

487
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: knew the Lenox mother of two girls stayed in touch.

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Speaker 1: I heard from a woman called Fiona Husner, who as

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Speaker 1: a child lived next door to Bromwin for years near

490
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Speaker 1: Cronulla in the Shires south of Sydney. We met in

491
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: Brisbane in early twenty nineteen at a bar called Felons

492
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: to talk about the case. Fiona, who was very fond

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00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: of her neighbor and babysitter, described what she called secrets

494
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: and mystery in relation to Bromwin's unexplained disappearance. I sent

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00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: a note to Broman's brother Andy Reid using Facebook Messenger.

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Speaker 3: I wrote, I've.

497
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Speaker 1: Been interested in possibly investigating the disappearance and suspected murder

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Speaker 1: of your sister Bromwin. A number of people who knew

499
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: Bromin have urged me to do a podcast investigation similar

500
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: to the Teacher's pet into the probable murder of Lynn Dawson.

501
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: I understand that you have extensive files and reasonable suspicions

502
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: about what happened. It's not something I could start without

503
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: full cooperation from you and other members of the family.

504
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: Andy and his wife Michelle were immediately interested did. We

505
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: met in a cafe in Sydney and talked about a

506
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: future podcast investigation. A woman from Barner called Kerry McLain

507
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: got in touch to talk to me about her conversations

508
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Speaker 1: with Bromin's daughter Crystal, who had lived in Kerry's home

509
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: for some time. You'll hear more about it later in

510
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Speaker 1: this podcast series. At my request, Andy Reid and his

511
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: wife Michelle, and Andy's half sister Kim Marshall started to

512
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Speaker 1: track down relevant paperwork. Transcripts from the original inquest notes

513
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: that they had taken at the time, and police statements.

514
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: Old articles about Roman's case whenever it featured in the

515
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: local newspaper, The Northern Star of Lismore were collated. In

516
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, I drove to Ballaner and the home

517
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Speaker 1: of Glenn Taylor, a former Newcastle Homicide Squad detective sergeant.

518
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: Here's a little of what Glenn told me back then,

519
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: as extreme ragin flooded the northern Rivers and low lying

520
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: areas of New South Wales. He told me that his

521
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: connection to Broman's case began in nineteen ninety eight, when

522
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: she had been missing for five years.

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00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 19: Andrew Reed and Michelle Reid came to see myself in

524
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 19: another detective in Ballina and said, look, can we have

525
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 19: some fresh eyes look at this. We're just not happy

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Speaker 19: that this is the elect as a missing person. We

527
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 19: think there's more to it. And then when we started

528
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 19: looking into the matter, I mean as a homicide investigator,

529
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 19: it was abundantly clear, very early in the initially reinvestigation

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00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 19: that it needed a lot more work done, and then

531
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Speaker 19: a lot of formal statements.

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00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: Glenn had transferred north from Newcastle's major crime unit to

533
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Speaker 1: be a detective in the coastal.

534
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: Town of Ballina.

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Speaker 1: When he heard about Bromwin, he was intrigued and then suspicious.

536
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: Like Damian Lohne in Lynn's case, Glenn said he's or rat,

537
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: but the trail had gone cold. The odds were stacked

538
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: against the seasoned former homicide squad cop when so little

539
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: had been done by other police in the five years

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00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: immediately following Bromlin's disappearance.

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Speaker 19: I still believe that it was in the senior officer's

542
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 19: mind that this woman had in fact just voluntarily decided

543
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 19: to leave. It was fairly haphazard the investigation. There was

544
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 19: very very little done. There was no statements ever taken

545
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 19: from any particular person, like neighbors, I mean absolute critical

546
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 19: areas like there was no forensic investigation of the home.

547
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 19: There was no forensic investigation of the motor vehicle that

548
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 19: Jonathan Winfield had taken within hours of arriving back from

549
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 19: Sydney at the marital house. And over the years I

550
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 19: think there was only initially a few inquiries done and

551
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 19: then it just fell back to a missing person and

552
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 19: nothing further was done.

553
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 12: Under many years.

554
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 19: Later I treated as a major investigation and strongly suspected

555
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 19: that Bromin be murdered.

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00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 12: Yeah, your statement's very detail. They need they need to

557
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 12: be thorough.

558
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 19: We're talking about the likely murder of a person, so

559
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 19: they need to be thorough.

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Speaker 1: Did you believe that bronwin would leave her children and

561
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Speaker 1: stay away at any sense?

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Speaker 19: All the people we took statements from in the reinvestigation,

563
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 19: all Bromin's friends and close assationiates she absolutely adored her children.

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Speaker 19: There is just no way that she would have left

565
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 19: those children that night and not come back to the house.

566
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Speaker 19: She was just so attached to them. She was seeking

567
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 19: sole custodys of both the children. She was a very

568
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 19: very good mother, according to everyone that we spoke to,

569
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 19: absolutely totally out of her character to just walk out

570
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 19: and leave those children not have any further contact. It

571
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 19: just wouldn't happen unless she just couldn't prevent it. That's

572
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 19: why it was extremely suspicious.

573
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 12: And why was that not of you that existed in.

574
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: The police in nineteen ninety three when she disappeared.

575
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Speaker 19: It's really difficult to say, please didn't get extremely busy

576
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 19: with other matters. Unfortunately, there's still other things happening with

577
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 19: robberies and break and enders and sexual assaults and so forth.

578
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 12: But it should have been highlighted to.

579
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Speaker 14: A commander to say, look, we believe.

580
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Speaker 19: There's something more sinistery in this. We need more resources

581
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Speaker 19: put into this. But for one reason or another, that

582
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Speaker 19: wasn't done.

583
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Speaker 1: When we first met at his home, Glen urged a

584
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: podcast investigation and he pledged his full support, but I

585
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: didn't have time. Then Chris Dawson was waging a legal

586
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: battle against the teacher's pet me and police. When Glenn

587
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: Taylor and Bromwin's family and friends were quietly talking to me,

588
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: Chris Dawson made a high stakes bid to avoid a

589
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: murder trial. Altogether, he said the publicity from the podcast

590
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: series meant that he couldn't get a fair trial. He

591
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: was also arguing that a shoddy original police investigation after

592
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: Lin first disappeared had prejudiced his prospects in any trial,

593
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: but his bid to evade justice again was ultimately futile.

594
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: At the end of his murder trial, the Supreme Court's

595
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: Justice Ian Harrison delivered a verdict in late August twenty

596
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Speaker 1: twenty two.

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00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 20: Christopher Michael Dawson on the charts that are not about

598
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Speaker 20: eight January nineteen eighty two, A dave you or elsewhere

599
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 20: in the state of New South Wales, you did murder

600
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Speaker 20: Lynnett Dawson if I find you guilty.

601
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: I met Matt Fordham for the first time that day

602
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court in Sydney. Matt came to watch

603
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: justice unfold better late than never. Investigating Lynn's nineteen eighty

604
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: two disappearance had led me to Karl Milavanovitch in December

605
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, and Karl would open the door to the

606
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three disappearance of Bromwyn Winfield. And that's why

607
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm driving in Northern New South Wales. In twenty twenty four,

608
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: thirty one years after Bromwin kissed her two girls good

609
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: night and put them to bed in an unremarkable house

610
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: on Sandstone Crescent, the house that John built his castle,

611
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: Bromwan's prison.

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Speaker 6: Turn left on the Sandstone Present. Then arrive at your destination.

613
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: This is where Romo's last scene live.

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00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 21: Arrived, and there's the house. You can't help but wonder

615
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 21: what happened inside that night? What led to a woman

616
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 21: disappearing more than thirty years ago?

617
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Speaker 12: Please to be morning.

618
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Speaker 3: Sorry it's taken almost six years.

619
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Speaker 14: Well that didn't about thirty plus time.

620
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: Deborah Hall has welcomed me inside her house at Sandstone Crescent.

621
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Speaker 1: This is where she and her partner Murray raised their

622
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: children and where their friend Bromwin Winfield lived next door

623
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Speaker 1: until her May sixteenth, nineteen ninety three disappearance.

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Speaker 14: Can I get you anything?

625
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 12: He'd be great, Thank you. I've been up at Kingscliffe.

626
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 5: I didn't really be there, okay.

627
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: Dev Van Murray were important witnesses because they heard and

628
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: saw things at key moments. Bromwin was very unhappy, and

629
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Speaker 1: she had confided this and much more to deb as

630
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: their friendship deepened. Murray the son of a police detective

631
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: became highly suspicious and concerned for Bromwin at a very

632
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: early stage. Their children, who used to play with Bromwin's

633
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: two girls, have grown up, moved away, married, and had

634
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: children of their own. They all return to Sandstone Crescent

635
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: for family occasions. Roman's fate is often talked about at

636
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: these catchups. Bromman and the House cast a long shadow.

637
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: John has a newer grande house in Lenox. He sold

638
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: up on Sandstone Crescent. His place is closer to his

639
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: favorite beach boulders. It is a lot more valuable than

640
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: the house in which John and Bromwin lived with the

641
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: two girls, Crystal and Lauren.

642
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 12: Do you mind do if IAV run a recorder over this? So, yeah,

643
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 12: thank you.

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Speaker 15: I don't have any problem with that, right, Do you

645
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 15: have any other commitments this afternoon?

646
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: Roman's good friend told me her reaction while listening to

647
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: Linz's case unfold in The Teacher's Pet in twenty eighteen.

648
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 22: Driving up the Coastarry nine and the current has put

649
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 22: you on with the podcast on listen to this.

650
00:42:59,320 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 10: I'm like, what is it?

651
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 14: Titious pet? I had no idea, so I started listening

652
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 14: and I'm like looking at him going are you hearing this?

653
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 5: This is this is almost our case.

654
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 14: I'm like going, this is like, this is Bromplin, this

655
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Speaker 14: is Bromlin.

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Speaker 22: That was what prompted me to female you, and I

657
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 22: hope you didn't mind doing that because it was so similar,

658
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 22: and I thought I got to just put it out there,

659
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 22: not expecting that because I know his man getting back

660
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 22: to me, and when you're a finer, thought, oh okay,

661
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 22: see obviously we're a little bit aware of this situation.

662
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: Deb and Bromwin had an easy rapport. They helped each

663
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: other all the time. Bromwin received comfort and support from

664
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: Deb and other friends from whom you'll hear they knew

665
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: she was determined to walk from the ruins of her

666
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: relatively brief marriage with John Winfield.

667
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 22: Watching Chris Dawson on TV is almost like watching John Winfield.

668
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 22: How so similar in terms of good looking, I physique, everything.

669
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 14: You could almost be cloned. You two men.

670
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 22: Knowing John the way I knew John, I'm like, god,

671
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 22: you know these guys are just on the same path.

672
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 12: Well, I was really glad that you rite.

673
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 22: I didn't want to overstep my mark and push anything

674
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 22: when it's up to the family.

675
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 14: That kind of agree with that sort of thing.

676
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 23: So I'm just so frustrated by the fact that this

677
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 23: beautiful woman who was a good friend of mine is

678
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 23: no longer with us, and possibly at the hands of

679
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 23: her husband.

680
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 22: And the fact that you know, the two girls had

681
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 22: grown up without their mother. They've got kids of their

682
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 22: own that she never got to meet. And from one

683
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 22: was a very caring, very loving and beautiful person. She

684
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 22: was a great mum. And this is why, in regards

685
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 22: to what you've just done with the Dawson case, when

686
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 22: I heard the story about her from one, she's almost

687
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 22: an identical to how problem was. And there was no

688
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 22: way she would leave those kids. And I know that,

689
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 22: and that's the thing that I kept saying to the

690
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 22: police in.

691
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 14: The initial investigation. Marry, this is Headley.

692
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 12: Yeah you too. How are the waves today? Wasn't that good?

693
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 12: I went out the wrong spot, Star, I should have

694
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 12: off the point.

695
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 14: I went bowls Beach, I got smashed it.

696
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 12: Yeah. I've been here about half an hour just going

697
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 12: through some of the events. Yeah.

698
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 14: She's a nice lady. Yeah, if you're sick, she brought

699
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 14: out some suit because I remember when I had Dale,

700
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 14: she came down with Lasagnea's And that's the sort of

701
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 14: person she was. Yeah, she was a class even, really

702
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 14: nice neighbor, beautiful lady.

703
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 1: Murray Nolan still goes to Boulders Beach for a look

704
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: and oftener surf most days, and he usually sees his

705
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: former neighbor John Winfield down there. Sometimes they paddle for

706
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: the same wave. Other times they'll look out over the

707
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: water from the car park and talk about what the

708
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: weather might bring.

709
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 3: Murray liked Bromwin a lot.

710
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: He cannot avoid what he believes is the truth, but

711
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: it's not in his nature to avoid and ostracize John.

712
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 24: John is perfectly civil and friendly to you. Yes, I'll

713
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 24: still see him every day. I spoke him this morning. Okay, John,

714
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 24: how I am a bit windy.

715
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 14: Swells up in a beautiful surfing sort of talk.

716
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 24: But I've seen him now, I reckon probably nine days

717
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 24: out of ten I've seen where did you see it?

718
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 4: This wad?

719
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 12: He was just checking the surf. We're all went surfing.

720
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,959
Speaker 12: But does John know what you suspect he has done?

721
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 24: Yes, throw him under the bus with the corrency quarry.

722
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 24: My role is to sell the trip, and he's ever

723
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 24: raised that with you. No, and you just get out

724
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 24: and talk to each other as if nothing's happened.

725
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 12: Yeah, he's wild with me.

726
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 14: Strange, isn't it.

727
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 12: Yeah, like we're quite friendly. It's a funny sat situation.

728
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: And what's your level of confidence that he did, in

729
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: fact killed.

730
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 12: Nine point nine?

731
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 14: How about you did one hundred? See, Mary has a

732
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 14: nicer nature than I have. I'll steer him down. I

733
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 14: won't speak to him.

734
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: Debb is spreading documents and photographs across the table for

735
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 1: me to read and copy.

736
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 14: Yeah, there's a fabis here I've got that's my statement.

737
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 14: Oh that was Brian there. That was in a very

738
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 14: good shot. That was one of my children's birthday party.

739
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 12: A service of Thanksgiving.

740
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this has dated July two thousand and two.

741
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 14: Andrew wanted to have a bit of a memorial before her.

742
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 12: There was certainty that she instead my photograph.

743
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 14: All these you can.

744
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: It's a small community relatively, yes, but he stayed here

745
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: the whole time, yes, yes, What do you think of that?

746
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 12: Does that suggest that perhaps he's got done to hide?

747
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 12: He's not running away. He loves this place. He knows

748
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 12: he's done nothing wrong.

749
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 24: I also think that he's very instillent as well, he

750
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 24: doesn't speak to that many people.

751
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 14: I don't know what the outcome of all this will be.

752
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 14: What's your hope.

753
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: My hope and the hope of many who knew and

754
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: loved Bronwin is that new and illuminating facts emerge as

755
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: a result of this podcast series, something that might finally

756
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: resolve this sad cold case. If Bromwin went away, as

757
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: John Winfield says, where and with whom did she go?

758
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: If Bromwyn has been dead all these years, as a

759
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: former deputy state coroner ruled, how did Bromwin die? And who,

760
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: if anyone, bears responsibility for her death? And where is

761
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: her body? I have approached John Winfield and asked him

762
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: for an interview. John's side of the story is very important.

763
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: John has always emphatically denied any role in any foul play.

764
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: So far, John has declined to speak to me on

765
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: the record or on background. I'm going to keep trying

766
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: because he hasn't ruled it out. In an email to

767
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: me on May twenty one, twenty twenty four, John stated, I.

768
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 25: Have previously made a sworn statement in nineteen ninety eight

769
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 25: in which I answered four hundred and fifteen questions and

770
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 25: as I said to George Radmore in twenty ten, I

771
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 25: stand by these answers I gave.

772
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: Those are John's words from his email. It's not his voice,

773
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: he answered questions in a nineteen ninety eight interview he

774
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: agreed to do in Ballina Police station, soon after the

775
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: then detective Sergeant Glenn Taylor had started to investigate Bromman's

776
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: case properly for the first time. Twelve years later in

777
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: twenty ten, another experienced detective, George Radmore, who was with

778
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: the homicide Squad of New South Wales, led a reinvestigation.

779
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: In John Winfield's email to me on the eve of

780
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: the release of this episode, he said he might bring

781
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: legal action depending on the content of this podcast series,

782
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: and John added.

783
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 25: There is a generational history of mental illness, both male

784
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 25: and female in the Reed family.

785
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 3: Now.

786
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: Kim Marshall in Tasmania was the first member of Broman's

787
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: family to contact me. That was back in twenty eighteen.

788
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: Kim has been a terrier with the help of her

789
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: half brother Andy Reid, in finding decades old documents and

790
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: evidence from the case.

791
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 18: And Andrew has a box packed away, and Christa has

792
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 18: a box packed away. Andrew has got masses of stuff,

793
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 18: boxes that are in ceilings and boxes that are stacked,

794
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 18: all that type of busy, and I love rummaging and

795
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 18: getting everything together and putting in some type of chronological

796
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 18: order for you. So I've asked them both to try

797
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 18: and get access to their boxes, but I dare say

798
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 18: it's going to be me physically being the hunter and

799
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 18: gatherer getting there and going about my business.

800
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 12: Well, that sounds really good, Kim.

801
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: Missing police statements, which I had been asking members of

802
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: the family about from the start of our contact, finally materialized.

803
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: Bronwin's eldest daughter, Crystal had them.

804
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 18: Crystal has all the original statements in full, which is

805
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 18: what Andrew's been looking for for a very long time.

806
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 14: Crystal actually has them.

807
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 15: I didn't believe that material would become available, so having

808
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 15: that makes a very big difference.

809
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: Since Andy Reid, a builder and a popular community figure

810
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: in Sydney's Southerlandshire near Qunella, sought the blessing of his

811
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: niece Crystal to press forward with a podcast investigation. Roman's

812
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: daughter is in her early forties. She's a single mum

813
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: with mixed and complicated views about what happened to her

814
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: own mother when Crystal was ten.

815
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 26: She just said to us, it's just time that she

816
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 26: finds out and she wants.

817
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 12: To know what happened.

818
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 26: Endeavor to do whatever's needed to be done to try

819
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 26: and find out the truth.

820
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 18: That she is terrified as losing the small relationship that

821
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 18: she has with her sister Lauren. Lauren doesn't believe that

822
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 18: John did it.

823
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: In June twenty twenty three, I asked Andy about the

824
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: status of police investigations into Bromwin's disappearance.

825
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 12: Have you heard any more from the police.

826
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 9: No, we haven't heard anything.

827
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 26: Unless something turns up, we're basically at a dead end.

828
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 27: You know.

829
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 9: They weren't willing to investigate anything.

830
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 5: That was presented to them any further than what they

831
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 5: already had.

832
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 21: They haven't bothered to.

833
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 26: Reach out or contact or anything for a long time now.

834
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 26: The last detective for Newcastle was the last person that

835
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 26: I used.

836
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 12: To liaise with.

837
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 26: So every twelve months just ring and asked a couple

838
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 26: of questions and see if he's earning it into It's

839
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 26: just that the same response now that's been no.

840
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 14: Activity on a cards.

841
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 26: No activity on a bank account, blah blah blah. Well

842
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 26: it can't be anymore anyway, because the bank account was

843
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 26: closed down.

844
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: When I spoke to Andy in June twenty twenty three,

845
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: before I could start a reinvestigation of the case early

846
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: the following year, he confirmed his strong view about who

847
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: had killed his older sister.

848
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 26: Oh, nothing's changed, nothing's changed after the corral inquiry.

849
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 28: How do you reckon he would be viewing the development

850
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 28: of these true crime investigations, particularly with podcasts into the

851
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 28: disappearances or murders unsolved, and.

852
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 14: He'd be raddled. I'm sure he'd be rattled.

853
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, which is good unless he sleeps at night.

854
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 12: The better off we all are.

855
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: Although Andy and other members of the family have been

856
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: angered that police did not do much more soon after

857
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: her disappearance, they have only praise for the first detective

858
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: to seriously suspect foul play.

859
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 5: Did you speak to Glenn Taylor, Yes, I interviewed him.

860
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 12: That would have been two and a half years ago.

861
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 5: Just after we first met when I put you.

862
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 12: Onto him here.

863
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 15: Yeah, But I drove down and saw him at his

864
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 15: house there. He had a little bit of paperwork and

865
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 15: I took copies of that. I probably interviewed him for

866
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 15: about two hours, and I've got that audio file.

867
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 14: He's always been very helpful with us too.

868
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 26: It was always so apologetic about how badly it was

869
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 26: handled by the police in the first case, and I

870
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 26: always said to him, would no no for you to apologize.

871
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 26: You've only been part of getting it over the line

872
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 26: of the Corona inquiry.

873
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: Later in this series you'll hear from Glen Taylor again

874
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: about the work that he did to get a brief

875
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: of evidence to the coroner. Glenn's efforts to get to

876
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: the bottom of Bromin's disappearance are ongoing. Glenn vented his

877
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: frustrations in a letter he wrote to Andy and Michelle

878
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three, one year after the inquest.

879
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 29: Now that I'm out of the New South Wales Police

880
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 29: I can get my opinion regarding the original investigation. One

881
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 29: word describes it disgraceful. The house in Sandstean Crescent should

882
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 29: have been subject to a thorough and intensive crime scene investigation.

883
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 29: The same for the Ford motor vehicle. There is nothing

884
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 29: in the running sheets to indicate the vehicle was eva

885
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 29: looked at. There was not one single statement taken from

886
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 29: any witness, and more importantly, no statement or interview was

887
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 29: taken from John Winfield.

888
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: Now some things have changed since June twenty twenty three,

889
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: which was when Andy told me that homicide detectives were

890
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: doing nothing about Bromin's case and that it had gone

891
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: completely cold. It seems the police after years of inactivity

892
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: and now getting active again.

893
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 12: Is that right?

894
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 9: This whole thing sort of stirred back up with us talking.

895
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 26: To you, and we were very curious, and we contacted

896
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 26: the police.

897
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 9: Myself and Kim went and had a meeting.

898
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: A senior officer in the police unsolved homicide unit told

899
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: Andy and Kim that Broman's case was being reviewed at

900
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: the request of another veteran detective, George Radmore.

901
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 9: He put a very strong case forward upon his retirement

902
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 9: and a request to have Broman's case reloked at they're

903
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 9: in the process of doing a complete review that I'll

904
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 9: give them.

905
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 18: The benefit of doubt because they're trying to get up

906
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 18: to speed because they're still looking for their documents.

907
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: Shortly before the release of this first episode, Andy went

908
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: to see top detectives from the Homicide Squad's unsolved unit.

909
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: They had asked Andy to come to a meeting for

910
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: an update on how their review of the case had gone.

911
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 30: Basically said, well, their hands are tried. We can't do

912
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 30: any more than what we've done, and we don't have

913
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 30: any new evidence as it stands.

914
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, he said.

915
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 30: Going Look, I cannot apologize enough for how badly the

916
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 30: original investigation was handled. They've got no intention of putting

917
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 30: any more work into it.

918
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 3: I'm aware that today is the anniversary of promise.

919
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 12: Can you believe it?

920
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 3: Thirty one years? Let's see where we get to after

921
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 3: the podcast? Then? Is it named? Yeah? It is? What

922
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 3: do you reckon? We're calling it?

923
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 12: Yeah?

924
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 3: I don't know one word. Bromwin.

925
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 12: Oh lovely.

926
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people will start talking about Bromwin.

927
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: This case never got any publicity.

928
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 12: Not really.

929
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 3: No, the Northern Star and that was it, and that

930
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 3: was on a milk carton once she was on a

931
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: milk cut. We won't have that problem this time. It'll

932
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 3: get a lot of attention.

933
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the game change that encourages people to come forward.

934
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: We'll hear from people we've never heard of before who

935
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: listen and know something that helps.

936
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to over promise, but I really hope

937
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 3: it makes a difference.

938
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 12: Yes, with me.

939
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: Andy and Kim, Bromwin's siblings are adamant that they want

940
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: the podcast to go ahead. They have been disappointed by

941
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: official them too many times.

942
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 18: There is a lot more that the police could do.

943
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 18: They've got the wrong mindset from back in the day.

944
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 18: They've looked at the wrong things, and there's so many

945
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 18: pieces of evidence that have never been presented.

946
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: Before Bromwin vanished, she was planning to welcome Kim to

947
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: Lennox to the house at Sandstone Crescent for a rare visit.

948
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 18: I spoke to her every day on the phone about

949
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 18: my plane flight, what time my plane would arrive, then

950
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 18: I'd be getting on the Greyhound bus. We found the

951
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 18: buses out together, what time the bus would arrive in Ballina.

952
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 18: It's going to be so exciting. I'll be able to

953
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 18: show you all my dresses in my wardrobe. Because I'd

954
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 18: never had an adult experience with Bonnie, if that makes sense.

955
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 18: It was always as the youngest child, but this time

956
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 18: it was going to be adult to adult, and so

957
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,959
Speaker 18: we had all these wonderful talks. And it's only now

958
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 18: that I could talk to someone about this.

959
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: It was Kim who first alerted me to Bromwyn's storytelling

960
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: her writings, and it was Kim who appreciated how the

961
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: words Bromwin had left behind on those A four pages

962
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: were used against her early on, when she no longer

963
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: had a voice.

964
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 18: Letters that Bromwin wrote to Mum saying that she was

965
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 18: scared for her life. There's enough circumstantial evidence.

966
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 12: Were those letters that she wrote to your mother.

967
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 18: The police won't give them back to me. They never

968
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 18: ever ever ever find them or send them the story

969
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 18: that she was writing. They've got the wrong idea about

970
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 18: what's actually happened. Bromwyn wrote a beautiful story of her history. Okay,

971
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 18: this big large pad which some people have copies of it.

972
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 18: The police never gave me mind back. She actually wrote

973
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 18: this beautiful chronological list of her history of everything. That

974
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,479
Speaker 18: is a story about Bromwyn. And then she says, when

975
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 18: I come back, the real Bromwyn will be back, so

976
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 18: watch out. That statement has got nothing to do with

977
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 18: Bromwyn going away on a three to five day respite rest.

978
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 18: That is her writing a story. And John has used

979
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 18: that paragraph to say that Bromwin has lost her marbles

980
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 18: and has actually decided to act on what she was writing.

981
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 18: And he goes, she's unstable, she's like a mother, blah blah, blah.

982
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: Kim insists that in the weeks and months after Bromwin

983
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: first disappeared, police in Ballina, who has shown her writings,

984
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: were persuaded that she wanted to leave her children, that

985
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: she planned.

986
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 12: To go away.

987
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 18: They thought brom would have gone away for a rest

988
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 18: because of this story that she'd written. The detectives asked

989
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 18: us all these questions, but they asked the questions with

990
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 18: a bias or a perspective already in place. They didn't

991
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 18: actually investigate with an open mind.

992
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: Now I need to explain a little of the family

993
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: history of Bromwin, her brother Andy Reid, and their half

994
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: sister Kim Marshall. It is going to become more relevant

995
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: later in this podcast series. You heard Kim make a

996
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: fleeting reference to her mother, Barbara, being unstable. Barbara had

997
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: postnatal depression, and in an extraordinary coincidence, Barbara disappeared too.

998
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: Bromwan was a toddler aged two, and her little brother

999
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: Andy was six months old.

1000
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 3: Kim had not yet been born.

1001
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: The circumstances were very different in Bromwin's mother's case because

1002
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: Barbara came back after getting treatment for her mental health challenges,

1003
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: and while Barbara was away some in her family knew

1004
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: where she was.

1005
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 3: They were in touch with her.

1006
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: But as you'll hear, a sad chapter of family history

1007
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: revolving around Barbara would directly influence the initial investigation into

1008
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: Bronwin's disappearance three decades later.

1009
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 3: Her good to meet you, missus, reed Leah clea.

1010
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: Hi, I've come to the Sydney home of Bromwin's aunt

1011
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: Leah Reid and her husband John Reid. They know the

1012
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: family history because they lived it. Bromwan's father Philip and

1013
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: Bromwin's uncle John were brothers.

1014
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 12: John was very good to meet.

1015
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 27: Thomas's eight eight and I said, Jimmy's going to expect

1016
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 27: his legs to go on.

1017
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 23: No, no, he won't have a walking stick that way.

1018
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 15: With some lovely photos here three children.

1019
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 17: We've got a videotape there with problem with the father

1020
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 17: in the hospital.

1021
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 27: We could never understand why she didn't try modeling, because

1022
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 27: she was tall and blonde and good looking.

1023
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 15: You knew Bromman's mother, Yes, what do you recall about her?

1024
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 27: Well, when he met her, she was a nurse in

1025
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 27: the local hospital and he had tom slatis, wasn't it?

1026
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 27: And he said the first thing he saw when he

1027
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 27: woke up was Barbara's face, and everyone thought, you know,

1028
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 27: what a marvelous match because she was a real country girl.

1029
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 27: She made pickles, she knitted, she did everything, and it

1030
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 27: seemed like, you know, a marriage made in heaven. And

1031
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 27: then she had Bromwin. We noticed after that she became

1032
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 27: fairly strange. She'd come and stay with us in Sydney

1033
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 27: and I noticed, don't be talking to her, and suddenly

1034
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 27: she just get this vague look on her face and

1035
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 27: stopped talking and then come back into the conversation. I

1036
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 27: don't know how long, you know, it might have only

1037
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 27: been five minutes, but it seemed like a long while.

1038
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 27: And they started taking her to various different doctors and specialists,

1039
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 27: and they said that she was just a housewife and

1040
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 27: needed to get out more. And then we went to

1041
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 27: visit them in Wollongong and we were invited to dinner

1042
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 27: and I noticed that Philip was the one that was

1043
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 27: cooking the steak. He was bathing the kids, and she

1044
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 27: drops sugar all over the floor and so he had

1045
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 27: to clean that up. And I said to him, you

1046
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 27: know what's happening, And he said he couldn't rely on

1047
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 27: her to do anything, and that he didn't know whether

1048
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 27: the kids would even be fed if he didn't come

1049
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 27: home from school at lunchtime to feed them.

1050
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: We've been joined by a young woman, Madison Walsh, who

1051
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: helped arrange this interview between her grandparents and me. She's

1052
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: very curious about Bromin's case and has been doing her

1053
01:05:54,920 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: own research, reading police statements and talking to relatives. Maddie

1054
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: is closest to Bromwin's eldest daughter, Crystal, and they are related,

1055
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: of course, and you're going to hear a lot more

1056
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: from Maddie in later episodes.

1057
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 27: Barbara was there and then she wasn't.

1058
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 12: Sounds like she was really struggling.

1059
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 14: She was struggling, is she must have been?

1060
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 31: It also sounds like a bit of like postnatal depression,

1061
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 31: which is very prevalent these days. But back in the

1062
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 31: day you would have just been labeled.

1063
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 27: As well and in contact postnatal depression, so I know

1064
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 27: what that was about.

1065
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 12: These sorts of issues were not as well understood.

1066
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 14: They don't know about it.

1067
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 27: I mean, the poor kids had a dreadful, dreadful doing.

1068
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 5: She just took off.

1069
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 12: We didn't know where she.

1070
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 27: Was, and then she got in touch. She rang up

1071
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 27: and said that she couldn't cope with Andrew come and

1072
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 27: get him. She just disappeared.

1073
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 31: I think they reconnected. From what I've seen and heard

1074
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 31: from was eleven and Andrew was no and then there

1075
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 31: it maintained contact ever since then. Barbara din't have custody

1076
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 31: of them, which she says is why she wanted to

1077
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 31: have another child, Kim.

1078
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 3: And then many years later Bronwan disappeared. Did the family

1079
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 3: suspect that Roman.

1080
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: Was just doing what her mother had done?

1081
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 3: No?

1082
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 27: Really, I didn't, well no, because she wasn't like nothing

1083
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 27: like Barbara.

1084
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 5: We didn't ever think about it being like.

1085
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 18: No.

1086
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 27: I never thought it was, oh, you know, here we

1087
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 27: go again.

1088
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 14: Barbara all over. Nothing happened to make us think that.

1089
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 27: Certainly not me anyhow, I think if we thought there

1090
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 27: was anything wrong with Roman, we would probably would have

1091
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 27: thought it was just because of her dramatic childhood.

1092
01:07:55,360 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: Roman was an exceptionally caring and loving mother, but when

1093
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: she disappeared in nineteen ninety three, the actions three decades

1094
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: earlier of her mother Barbara, who was suffering without appropriate treatment,

1095
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: were raised and relied upon to so doubt to impune

1096
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 1: Bromwin and suggest that she had abandoned her kids.

1097
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 5: And did the police who were alerted.

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Speaker 1: To Bromin's disappearance in nineteen ninety three contact you in

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01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: that time?

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Speaker 27: Now, I don't remember any police coming to us until

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01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 27: that must have been nineteen ninety eight, and.

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Speaker 12: That's the first time you heard from police.

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01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, hello, Hello, is that Meghan.

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01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: Another family member who will be prominent in upcoming episodes

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Speaker 1: is Bromwin's cousin, Megan Reid, the daughter of John and Leah.

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01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: Megan played a significant role in Bromwin's life, and they

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01:08:56,280 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: were in close contact before she disappeared from the get go.

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01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 32: When she was born, she used to stay with my family.

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01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 32: We're only sixteen months apart, and we were as close

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Speaker 32: as close her relationship with John.

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Speaker 5: I knew what it was like.

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01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 32: I knew I'd seen the bruises she showed my father.

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Speaker 17: It's written in his statement to me.

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Speaker 32: It's just so shocking because I used to speak to

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01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 32: her when she was on that phone, and I could

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01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 32: hear him yelling.

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01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 4: And screaming and being on the door.

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01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 32: I mean, surely other people heard it. Now, she was

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01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 32: terrified of John, absolutely.

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Speaker 8: Terrified of him.

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Speaker 32: If he had made it incredibly clear that she would

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01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 32: never get that house. The last thing she said to

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Speaker 32: me was that the best thing she ever did was

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01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 32: to move out and get away from him. She had

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01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 32: asked my parents for money she needed to retain a solicitor.

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Speaker 32: I just can't believe the timing. I don't understand to

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01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 32: this day how Jonathan's walking around the streets.

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Speaker 8: It just astound me.

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Speaker 32: Of the incompetence of the police.

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01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 5: Lost all of the internets.

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01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 27: I can't even find it.

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01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 32: Can you believe that the Bungle dish show.

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01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 4: Barely they really have?

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01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 17: I've lived with it for thirty years.

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Speaker 1: Bronwyn is written and investigated by me Headley Thomas as

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01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:32,560
Speaker 1: a podcast production for The Australian. If anyone has information

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01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,560
Speaker 1: which may help solve this cold case, please contact me

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01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: confidentially by emailing Bronwyn at the Australian dot com dot au.

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01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: You can read more about this case and see a

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01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 1: range of photographs and other artwork at the website Bronwyn

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01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: podcast dot com. Our subscribers and registered users here episodes first.

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01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: The production and editorial team for Bromwin includes Claire Harvey,

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01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:08,719
Speaker 1: Kristin Amiot, Joshua Burton, Bridget, Ryan Bianca far Marcus, Katie Burns,

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01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: Liam Mendez, Sean Callen, and Matthew Condon and David Murray.

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01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: Audio production for this podcast series is by Wasabi Audio

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01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 1: and original theme music by Slade Gibson. We have been

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01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: assisted by Madison Walsh, a relation of Bromwin Winfield. We

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01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: can only do this kind of journalism with the support

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01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: of our subscribers and our major sponsors like Harvey Norman.

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1152
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Speaker 1: and The Night Driver, go to the Australian dot Com

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Speaker 1: dot au and subscribe