WEBVTT - The Dance Mum's Lament

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<v Speaker 1>We would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the

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<v Speaker 1>land that this podcast is recorded on DLS. We've entered

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<v Speaker 1>a new month. Can you believe it?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Adis what's the star sign for this month? Revs? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that how it works? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>What are we? We're moving into Leo? Okay, fourth of August?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Leo, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be in Scorpio season. Lookout, whoh gosh, here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>But very specifically for my love life, it's a full

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<v Speaker 2>moon in Aquarius and what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Look out deron, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>All eyes on the Aquarius in your life? And whatever

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<v Speaker 2>the opposing sign is, I don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I know not either.

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<v Speaker 2>I know when it's Capricorn or cancer. That's when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble. What's your opposing sign?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know?

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<v Speaker 2>Guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Would I know? Good chat?

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<v Speaker 2>Check your boobs the side of the month, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>here to remind you that it's time for a boob check.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to copper feel of yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do you do it in the shower? Get in

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<v Speaker 2>there under the armpits? Yeah, I do it in the shower.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm really sorry. I must admit I had a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a scare recently. Yes, tell you, dear, I

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<v Speaker 2>am glad that I did a full boob check because

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<v Speaker 2>I found a lump.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I set my armpit. Second person in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>This happened too recently. Yeah, I told REVSI and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm a bit worried. I found a lump.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt like a hard caper. It's kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>only way I could describe it. It was around that size,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was firm and it stuck out, and instantly

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh God, what's that?

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<v Speaker 1>What's that? What's that? Anyway, I'm okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just a build up from a virus flew

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<v Speaker 2>that I was fighting, which led to an inflamed lymph node.

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<v Speaker 2>But boy, it was inflamed. It was hard, and then

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<v Speaker 2>just over the course of a few days it softened

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<v Speaker 2>and then disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Gave him and when Okay, I can release this now

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<v Speaker 2>and your body's relaxed and not fighting so hard.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it did give me pause.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so really important to do a boot check. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got to feel those things, find them and then investigate everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>That's our job. Hungp Let's get into the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousand things to do, but we'd rather chat. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>with emails and meetings and husbands and kids. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>have time for this.

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<v Speaker 2>Just what you need to basic bitches with the podcast. Hello,

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<v Speaker 2>and welcome to We don't have time for this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>your host Jemmy Prinita aka Jemma Peena on the Gram

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<v Speaker 2>along with.

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<v Speaker 1>My co host Kate Raeves. Hello, how goes the He

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<v Speaker 1>goes well?

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<v Speaker 2>By?

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<v Speaker 1>Is tired? Bye? Is? Who isn't tired? Thy is extra tired?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? Just the live show? Oh? That little

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<v Speaker 1>Mount Everest hanging over our head? Oh I'm just a

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<v Speaker 1>little tired, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Deel's When we were three weeks out from opening night,

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<v Speaker 2>we're now two weeks out from opening night.

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<v Speaker 1>People are like, how's it going?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I feel like we're standing at

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of Mount Everest and it's hard to think

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<v Speaker 2>that in three weeks we will have a fully mounted,

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<v Speaker 2>two hour show. But I can't see it. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>the top of the mountain is shrouded in cloud. Can't

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<v Speaker 2>see the top, can't see how far the distance. We

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<v Speaker 2>know it's gorgeous up there. Yeah, but we've been there

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times. Just got to take it one

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<v Speaker 2>step at a time. My mantra has been how do

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<v Speaker 2>you eat an elephant? One bite at a time? And

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<v Speaker 2>that's how we're taking it at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good, yeah, because I get overwhelmed by the big picture,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when I'm trying to take it all in

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<v Speaker 2>and I just think, one day, rehearsal at a time,

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<v Speaker 2>what can we achieve in that time? Yai has been

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute rock star. Shout out to Yai running lines

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<v Speaker 2>with us. She's our resident drill sergeant onlines and song lyrics,

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<v Speaker 2>and she also feeds us. I don't know why I

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<v Speaker 2>think every year life won't life around showtime, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean? Like every year I'm like, I remember

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<v Speaker 2>last year, how life life so hard?

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<v Speaker 1>Life?

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<v Speaker 2>Life's very hard every single time, always and it never stops.

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<v Speaker 2>And we also don't make space for it in the schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>Our schedule is always around I know, the kids, shit,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. Friends, family, No, you can't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I have like buffer time in case life is lifeng

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<v Speaker 2>We've got these extra days.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, actually we added lots of extra time this year,

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<v Speaker 2>but the ideas got bigger, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, it's going to be amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just we're like, yeah, we're in that week where

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, little guy, we've gotta keep going. Can just

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<v Speaker 2>say it one bite at a time? Hey, anyway, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a bone to pick with.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is my bone with? Oh? I guess it's Syla,

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm going to blame school.

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<v Speaker 2>So Isla comes home from school and she's like, Mom,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got the most fun homework assignment, which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>look she loves at homework, so sure a random sentence

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<v Speaker 2>coming to her and I was like, oh kid, And

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<v Speaker 2>like she does all her own homework.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have anything to do with it, never have.

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<v Speaker 2>She logs onto a Google classroom herself, she gets it done,

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<v Speaker 2>turns it in on time, reminds me about it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know why you're telling me she's raising herself. You're raising yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>The other day I said to her, you're not resentful,

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<v Speaker 2>are you? And she's like what, Like, like you're not? Like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the adult in this household, Like I haven't parentified you.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, I don't know any of that means, mum,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm cool I'm like, okay, anyway, She's like, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got the mo fun home.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we have to make a website.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, that sounds fun and big

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<v Speaker 2>and I would have loved that when I was your age.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so Mom, I've decided we need to go

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<v Speaker 2>to a bunch of cafes and restaurants because mine's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be a restaurant review website.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like this far.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was like, in this economy, I'm like, no.

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<v Speaker 1>With what budget? And where do you want to go?

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<v Speaker 1>Fucking Michelin star. No, Oh, it's so cute.

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<v Speaker 2>She should just review what she knows, you know, local

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<v Speaker 2>chicken shop, Mackie D's, Yeah, mom's cooking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you might.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to make up some fictional restaurants and they might

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<v Speaker 2>have to be jam Mar's, grandpa's mom's house, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like when is this jew and where? No do if

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<v Speaker 2>you think we're going to Chibberia even another thing coming?

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<v Speaker 1>She was serious, like, Mom, that's gonna be the Saii section.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, so, I'm intrigued. Could they do a

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<v Speaker 1>website about anything? Anything at all? I love that. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's my spirit animal, like reviewing my dream is

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<v Speaker 1>it peak? Never though? Why is? You don't drink. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't do the drink side of things.

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<v Speaker 2>So it would be food exclusively, sober curious restaurant, sober

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<v Speaker 2>curious restaurant, they'd be a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like, sure, everything's a thing. You know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were a view of vegan restaurants, you could do that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, just it's just that.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to kill her dream, but I was like, Babe,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't right now, Babe.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an assignment.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I had to make Antarctica out of cake,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay for a geography assignment in high school.

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<v Speaker 1>You ain't no baker. I ain't no baker.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also wasn't like, Mum, I'd like a return

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<v Speaker 2>ticket to Antarctica from research purposes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you might have said that and your mum would

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<v Speaker 1>have gone ha lol.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember my mom like building this fucking cake with me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had blue jelly as the water surrounding it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted penguins and all the things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think she was raging at our school.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure at that approached this on a Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>How is this geography based?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand. You know, I feel like millennial kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it still the case? No, I feel like it

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<v Speaker 1>was a.

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<v Speaker 2>Big thing of like making things out of cake was

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<v Speaker 2>a big thing. Could I tell you anything about Antarctica

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty six it's had water, Literally nothing's gone in

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<v Speaker 2>There were penguins.

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<v Speaker 1>There were penguins.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember like wanting to make a candy chessboard, and

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<v Speaker 2>where did I get that from? It was like in

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<v Speaker 2>the book in the library. It was just very much

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<v Speaker 2>a thing to make edible scenes. Yeah, dioramas, you are

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<v Speaker 2>you ramaz out of like chocolate and shit. Anyway, for

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<v Speaker 2>all those people whose kids have huge ideas similarly to

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<v Speaker 2>Gemini and then they have to execute them as homework,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel you.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel you. It's like, oh god, anyway, fictional restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>reviews it is. I love Blue.

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<v Speaker 2>I personally can't wait to pour over her new website.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm interested in her layouts, her font choices. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>what about a soccer website where you discuss soccering.

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<v Speaker 1>That feels more on brand for her.

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<v Speaker 2>She could do a blog, yeah, totally play strategy or

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<v Speaker 2>like World Cup dissertation. I'm really interested in whether they

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<v Speaker 2>can use AI to build a website now because all

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<v Speaker 2>those tools are available to them. No, they're learning how

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<v Speaker 2>to build a website, to code, yeah, proper. But they

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<v Speaker 2>are allowed to use AI for their homework, but they've

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<v Speaker 2>got to declare it and it's for like idea generation.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not allowed to like copy paste.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are tools that will identify if they have

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<v Speaker 2>copy pasted.

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<v Speaker 1>What a time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course they've had to add that into the

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<v Speaker 2>school curriculum.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just to make sure there's clarity around it. I

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<v Speaker 1>get it. We can't shy away and shield our kids

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<v Speaker 1>from AI.

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<v Speaker 2>No. No, the the teachers are definitely using it as

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<v Speaker 2>part of the toolkits, but there's rules around it. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's also the young kids. There's a lot of like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but they did that with AI, Like there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of right, you know what we used, like their mom

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<v Speaker 2>did it? Like the kids like no, that was so

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<v Speaker 2>chat GPT, like it's shame.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what's fascinating?

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<v Speaker 2>I went and saw Odyssey and of course I went

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<v Speaker 2>into my rabbit hole deep dive after on YouTube and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a few people who have reviewed it or revealing

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<v Speaker 2>every symbol or theme in Christopher Nolan's new film and

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<v Speaker 2>there was one that I watched where the guy was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this was not written or created by AI, please support

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<v Speaker 2>my channel, And I was like, how interesting that he

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<v Speaker 2>felt the need to declare that. Right at the hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I can already feel a complete rejection in like trends

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<v Speaker 2>and things coming back into like human made things.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's already started.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I started following this beautiful creator the other night

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<v Speaker 2>who like literally edits videos on paper, like does paper

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<v Speaker 2>edits and like does the most beautiful tactile crafty transitions

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<v Speaker 2>and does it all with a scanner.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so epic. It's like that stop motion Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a return to human made things that aren't perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>that aren't polished, that weren't quick and easy. They were

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<v Speaker 2>actually the time and the labor becomes the cachet, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you have to make content of how you

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<v Speaker 2>made it, yeah, to share. Yeah, because do you know

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<v Speaker 2>those podcasters Tony and Ryan producer made a whole stop

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<v Speaker 2>motion capture situation of I think their tour to the

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<v Speaker 2>UK or something, and she used like cutouts of them

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<v Speaker 2>and then they go on an aeroplane.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>But she shared how many hours it took her and

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<v Speaker 2>shared BTS content and I just thought, wow, this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is just wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Well even the odyssey, which you meant like the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that there's no special eff there's some special effects, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Like all the sense effects are practical. Everything's practiced.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that wouldn't even be a thing to consider that

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<v Speaker 2>much a few years ago, but now it's becoming. The

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<v Speaker 2>new art form is to like know how how human

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<v Speaker 2>made can this thing be?

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<v Speaker 1>How laborious, how much time? Like how can we actually

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<v Speaker 1>create something?

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<v Speaker 2>And it deserves the level of respect that it gets

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, when you hear something's made entirely of AI,

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<v Speaker 2>it was novel for like a second, but then there's

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<v Speaker 2>like a look and feel that we get an educated

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<v Speaker 2>I for and then suddenly it's not that impressive nor

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<v Speaker 2>that interesting. That doesn't move you, It doesn't make you

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<v Speaker 2>feel anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like it. I think you can feel it.

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<v Speaker 2>But the kids, Yeah, the kids like, oh so AI,

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<v Speaker 2>it's such a diss I love.

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<v Speaker 1>Something to be a I love it. Yeah, thank goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>what a relief.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they definitely use the tools like give me

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<v Speaker 2>three ideas for just to start their brains go, which

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<v Speaker 2>is great.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just so you're not starting from an entirely blank canvas. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, this is a little bit of a segue, but

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<v Speaker 2>can you share this story. Do you remember when you

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<v Speaker 2>were at UNI and someone this was like pre social media.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't really have social media in Uni. Did we

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<v Speaker 2>have Facebook, but that was kind of it. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember someone like ripped off a monologue they found on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>like in the depths of YouTube, and they stole it

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<v Speaker 2>and presented it as if they'd written it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they won awards, and like I can't remember his name,

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<v Speaker 2>but he did like a monologue.

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<v Speaker 1>You all had to do monologues. He had to write, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we had to write monologue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he did one and it was like everyone

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<v Speaker 2>was laughing and they loved it so much, and he

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<v Speaker 2>won like an award and the whole thing, and then

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<v Speaker 2>like a few months later or whatever found someone found it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember, Oh my god, you must remember, and

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<v Speaker 2>like even the performance was be pasted, like the way

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<v Speaker 2>he said every line, and he'd won like a prize

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<v Speaker 2>with money.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was like in the days.

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<v Speaker 2>When everyone's like, oh I found this rogue British stand

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<v Speaker 2>up and he's just rip on YouTube and just ripped

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<v Speaker 2>it completely. But like, you couldn't get away with that

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<v Speaker 2>these days because everything that you've been served, so is

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else, do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I still find the gray area on Instagram really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>How you have trending reels and then people participate part

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<v Speaker 2>of me kind making trend and I kind of love

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<v Speaker 2>it because it feels it's communal. It does feel communal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, we're taking this trend, and then I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing my version of it, and then someone else, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it kind of goes around the world and you

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<v Speaker 2>just could doom scroll and just watch everyone's version.

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<v Speaker 1>I find that really cool. But then there's this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Line between well, what's a trend and what's someone's really

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<v Speaker 2>unique kind idea.

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<v Speaker 1>That's been ripped. I don't know. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>the line is there, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>And also we all scroll so much, so late at

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<v Speaker 2>night all the time. How do you know your idea

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<v Speaker 2>is yours?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>We're constantly consuming these bite size little things and then

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, hang on a second, where did I get that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I find it fascinating now how people now watch things

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<v Speaker 2>with this critical lens of AI where Now if I

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<v Speaker 2>see something where I'm a bit confronted by it, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's someone who's fallen off a cliff for getting eaten

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<v Speaker 2>by a giant wave. I have to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>comments to see if someone's called it out as being

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<v Speaker 2>AAR and almost every time they will, so then you're like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well then is it or isn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a yuck time. It really is. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not AI. Our live show, nothing AI about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's slightly nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>It is l I legitimate intelligence, and you can critique

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<v Speaker 2>the intelligence part of that as much as you want.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a fun time when we tried to run

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<v Speaker 2>things through the AI machine to see if it could

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<v Speaker 2>produce something, and it wasn't, to our relief, but also

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<v Speaker 2>we were like, damn it, dang.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have to keep grinding.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy to grind for you DLS. Of course, we're so

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<v Speaker 2>proud of this year's show. It is coming together, it's

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<v Speaker 2>piecing together beautifully.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a ride. Yeah, we're about to go, like, I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you've got your tickets? Has ever got their tickets? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time, guys, it's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the moment that it is. It's really we're

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<v Speaker 2>about to hit your stage. Speaking of stage, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have time for.

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<v Speaker 1>What don't you have time for?

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<v Speaker 2>Big exhale. I don't even know how to discuss this.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't even sure if I wanted to bring this

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<v Speaker 2>to the pod.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to bring it well, but I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a dog in this fight.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have time for my conflicting feelings about the

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<v Speaker 2>competitive solo dance world.

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<v Speaker 1>Context us for context. My daughter is.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of this world, and I reluctantly let her be

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<v Speaker 2>a part of it. She begged me for eighteen months

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<v Speaker 2>to do a solo she found out from people. Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to go back. For all of us who

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<v Speaker 2>aren't dance mums, what is competitive dance? Start there like

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<v Speaker 2>some of us don't know. Okay, well, there's recreational dance

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<v Speaker 2>we can do after school and you're in a down.

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<v Speaker 2>There's might be a concert at the end of the year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what is competitive dance? So the comp stream is where

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<v Speaker 2>your kid gets put into a team and this I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so glad you asked this because there is a huge

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<v Speaker 2>differentiation between group comps and solo comps. And I want

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<v Speaker 2>to speak specifically about solo comps, but you need to

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<v Speaker 2>understand what comps are, what comps are. We just there's

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<v Speaker 2>never assumed knowledge because, as I've learned being an absolute

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<v Speaker 2>nube in sports world, there's a lot of assume. Everyone's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to go into div one and everyone's like

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, what's div Yeah? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So put it this way.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're not doing recreational dance, you're doing streamed comp

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<v Speaker 2>which means you have to commit to a certain amount

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<v Speaker 2>of classes per week. There's requirements. So for example, I

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<v Speaker 2>use Rafa's school as an example. If you're in the

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<v Speaker 2>comp team, you have to do minimum two ballet classes

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<v Speaker 2>a week and technique and strength and conditioning class. Then

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<v Speaker 2>you have the classes for the different routines. So for example,

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<v Speaker 2>with Raffa, she compared in jazz, lyrical, contemporary, ballet, and

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<v Speaker 2>hip hop. So when she goes to a dance competition,

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<v Speaker 2>she is in five.

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<v Speaker 1>Routines, okay, and how many dance classes is that a week? Total? Eight?

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<v Speaker 1>And how long is a class? Forty five minutes?

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<v Speaker 2>So she spends a lot of time at dance, So

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<v Speaker 2>it adds up really quickly. Now I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>clear as a dance mom because I am that now.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the team.

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<v Speaker 2>Comps that we go to and you did this, I

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<v Speaker 2>did this growing up. Yeah, I absolutely frothed on it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a serious surprise for me that Raf went

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<v Speaker 2>down this path because Dealel's I don't know if you remember,

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<v Speaker 2>but I pulled Raf out of dance for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years. She was fucking around in class. I could

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<v Speaker 2>tell she wanted to do her own things. She wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>at a stage where she wanted to listen to the

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<v Speaker 2>teacher and actually participate in any way of following any

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<v Speaker 2>sort of choreography. So I just said to her, dance

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<v Speaker 2>is not your thing, and I put her in gymnastics.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of years later, she was like, Mom, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to dance again. And it was coming from her

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, oh, you didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember it wasn't your thing. She's like, no, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to try it again. And so we find ourselves here

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<v Speaker 2>very quickly. We've gone to eight classes a week now.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to talk about the group comps before

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<v Speaker 2>we get to the solo comps, because there is such

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<v Speaker 2>a difference between the two worlds. The group comp is

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<v Speaker 2>studio led, so the studio books all the competitions that

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<v Speaker 2>we go to. Now, the studio is the dance school.

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<v Speaker 2>You go to Hundi Pain and you go as a team.

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<v Speaker 2>You show up, you rehearse together, you win as a team.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a beautiful camaraderie amongst everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>On the team.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's pulling in the same direction towards the same goal,

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<v Speaker 2>which is to do their best performance. They had a

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<v Speaker 2>kids shit Hunji Pain, and personally I love watching it

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<v Speaker 2>because choreography in group dances, particularly in twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 2>is incredible, like the formations and what kids can do

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<v Speaker 2>these days as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So from an entertainment factor, I really yeah, it's enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys might remember I shared once. So I went

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<v Speaker 2>to a gymnastics comp and I was like, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>central focus thing to look at, and why do all

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<v Speaker 2>the gymnasts look like they're at a funeral because they're focused,

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<v Speaker 2>which I get it, they're different things.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to shoot on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Huge respect for gymnasts, but dance is more my it's

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<v Speaker 2>your thing, it's my thing. Next minute, RAF's begging to

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<v Speaker 2>do solos. Now I didn't grow up doing solos. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have an appetite for it. I had one friend

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<v Speaker 2>who competed in solos and one time I went to

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<v Speaker 2>her solo.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it less of a thing or is it okada?

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<v Speaker 1>Has it always been a big thing solos?

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<v Speaker 2>It was before Dance Moms on TV. Okay, so before

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<v Speaker 2>Dance Moms it was less of a thing. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>less of a thing. It was still very much a thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but the stakes didn't seem high. It was really a fun,

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<v Speaker 2>performance based thing where kids could really fine tune their

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<v Speaker 2>training and if they wanted to compete in solos, they

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<v Speaker 2>would literally be on a stage with a black curtain

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<v Speaker 2>with a very simple lighting, state judges, and then they'd

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<v Speaker 2>get like an award, and that award might be a

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<v Speaker 2>ribbon or a little metal or something. It was really

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<v Speaker 2>mostly about the artistry of dance.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not that anymore, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It has completely been americanized because of shows like Dance Mums, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I imagine and TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>All the thing I'm going to get to social media

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<v Speaker 2>because that is the whole other component of this. So

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<v Speaker 2>I went in so naive because my only memory of

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to support my one friend who competed

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<v Speaker 2>in comps, and all I cared about were the routines

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<v Speaker 2>and the costumes and how fun and fabulous. When Raffa

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<v Speaker 2>went to her first comp, I was like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not what I was expecting. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>completely different world from what I was used to growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I want to start this chat because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>aware that there will be dls whose kids dance in

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<v Speaker 2>the solo. Of course, Sarah I was taken aback by

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<v Speaker 2>the toddler's in Tiara's adjacent ness of what solo dance

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<v Speaker 2>comp has become. Okay, So, for example, Raffa turned up

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<v Speaker 2>with minimal makeup, She didn't have any jewelry, she had

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<v Speaker 2>fairly simple costume, which was a hand me down costume.

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<v Speaker 2>And we turned up and her section is under eights.

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<v Speaker 1>So there were six seven.

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<v Speaker 2>And eight year olds in full spray, tnds, false slashes,

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<v Speaker 2>and full face of makeup, not just a light dusting,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm talking full face like drag, almost like full

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<v Speaker 2>glam drag. And I was like, oh wow, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 2>oh whoa, Okay, I feel naive. My daughter suddenly looks

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<v Speaker 2>really washed out. Next to these other dances.

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<v Speaker 1>But this must be what the world is.

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<v Speaker 2>Costumes look like there are a thousand dollars, like everything

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<v Speaker 2>bedazzled to the nines, all custom made. Like you can

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<v Speaker 2>tell that these costumes have been made specific to these children,

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<v Speaker 2>which is fine, And I don't judge it, okay, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I understand I'm entering as like this kind of naive human.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you're a nube.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a total nude. But I can't help but see

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<v Speaker 2>it for what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The fascinating thing about solo dance comps, which absolutely no

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<v Speaker 2>one prepared me for, given that my only experience is

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<v Speaker 2>going to group comps. Imagine in a group comp, you

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<v Speaker 2>might have a troop of twenty kids. Now every kid

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<v Speaker 2>has a parent attending. Now time's out by how many

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<v Speaker 2>schools are entering. You have a really full, vibrant audience

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<v Speaker 2>who's supporting and cheering.

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<v Speaker 1>When you go to a.

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<v Speaker 2>Solo comp, especially if your child competes in the under eights,

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<v Speaker 2>the parents are assisting the kids backstage, so there's no audience, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And that for me was my first like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 2>is weird, Like Raff's going to be performing to a

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<v Speaker 2>very very empty theater my nightmare, but also just to

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<v Speaker 2>a judge, yeah right, you know, And I think and

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<v Speaker 2>cameras and cameras because everything is filmed, everything is documented

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<v Speaker 2>with a photographer, and then of course you can pay

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<v Speaker 2>for all of that content, have a footage. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get into the money making.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of this.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think I was taken aback by the cavernous

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<v Speaker 2>empty theater because I thought, well, this doesn't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>perform the point of performing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I went into this knowing it's a competition.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, like there's place and I even feel

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<v Speaker 2>weirdly conflicted about that because it's subjective, it's an art form.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I was like, but they're performing to an

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<v Speaker 2>empty theater and I'm talking like five hundred seater theaters

0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:13.760
<v Speaker 2>with like smatterings of like maybe the grandparents who came along.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the other weird part.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really small concentrated group of kids. So like

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<v Speaker 2>in Rafa's section, there might be six to nine kids max,

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<v Speaker 2>but they do all the under etes at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids compete multiple routines.

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<v Speaker 2>This was my other naive moment, not just one solo no,

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<v Speaker 2>so Raf has one solo. She competes in lyrical and

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<v Speaker 2>it was at nine am, but we had to wait.

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<v Speaker 1>Till I am lyrical dance. That's just.

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<v Speaker 2>But we had to wait till midday for the awards,

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<v Speaker 2>And so of course we're killing like three hours because

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<v Speaker 2>she has no other routine. And then I noticed that

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<v Speaker 2>all the other kids are then competing in contemporary and

0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:55.760
<v Speaker 2>jazz and maybe a musical theater solo or maybe a ballet.

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<v Speaker 2>So part of my ignorance, if you're in more than

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<v Speaker 2>one routine, that means you doing more than one solo

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<v Speaker 2>class a week, not necessarily because you could. And I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that too right. I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>what is the cost of this? But I think you

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<v Speaker 2>can learn multiple routines in one lesson like usually I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I don't know because I haven't gone down this

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<v Speaker 2>path yet that a choreographer will teach across all genres

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<v Speaker 2>a routine. But what was fascinating is the cost of entry.

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<v Speaker 2>So for Rafa to compete in solo is one hundred dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>but for every one time for one category. So then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm mapping out and I'm like, oh, these kids are

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<v Speaker 2>doing five solos between nine and noon.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of money. It's a term's worth of

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<v Speaker 1>another extracurricular activity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but revsit doesn't stop there because then you have

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<v Speaker 2>the costumes.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's reminding me of band. You know how everyone's like

0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:47.679
<v Speaker 2>banned is so expensive. It's the but band has a limit.

0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Like there's the instrument, the tuition, and then there's the

0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.040
<v Speaker 2>like you might have camp or whatever. Yeah, it's expensive,

0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:55.480
<v Speaker 2>it is. It's one of the most expensive extracurriculars. But

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<v Speaker 2>you can't like add to this add that.

0:23:57.880 --> 0:23:59.320
<v Speaker 1>There's no like add ons, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the costumes, because every dance needs a different costume.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the other thing. With band, it's kind of like forever,

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:07.840
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. You learn the clarinet, you

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 2>can play the clarinet, you get better and better at it,

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<v Speaker 2>and like you know what I mean, whereas.

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<v Speaker 1>A costume, yeah, is a bit more disposable. It is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I tell myself, and I'm sure this is what

0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:21.719
<v Speaker 2>all dance mums tell themselves. Is but it's stage time experience,

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:26.080
<v Speaker 2>it's confidence, it's growth, Like there are so many benefits

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 2>and if we look at the purest side of it,

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<v Speaker 2>there's an eight year old girl who loves to dance,

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<v Speaker 2>who wants to be on stage, and she gets to

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<v Speaker 2>be on stage in a costume and do her thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And not only that, she gets to make friends with

0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:40.280
<v Speaker 2>kids her age who share the same interests. But then

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of it, the antithesis of the purity

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:47.960
<v Speaker 2>of the kid's interest, is this marketing machine that is

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:52.160
<v Speaker 2>adult driven, that is orbiting the purity of what it is.

0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:55.640
<v Speaker 2>And that's the part that I'm really conflicted about. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the part that I'm looking at with my eyes wide open,

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:00.840
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, we're all seeing this right, Like we're

0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:04.159
<v Speaker 2>all aware. Because as I said before, the group comps

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 2>are studio led. Solo comps are parent led. Okay, so

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:12.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm enrolling my daughter, I'm uploading her comp music, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>paying for the costumes or sourcing the costumes. I'm organizing

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:17.400
<v Speaker 2>the private lessons.

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<v Speaker 1>So when it becomes so.

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<v Speaker 2>Parental focus, the buy in becomes huge, Okay, I mean

0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 2>the investment sure, and literally literal financial, emotional time investment.

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 2>And then the dance comps, and this is where it's

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 2>a weird ecosystem are aware of that, so they need

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:39.160
<v Speaker 2>to reward the parents. I don't think it's rewarding the kids.

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:42.320
<v Speaker 2>I think it's almost rewarding the parents for the time, money,

0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:46.880
<v Speaker 2>emotional investment by making sure every kid walks away with something.

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:50.639
<v Speaker 2>So every kid, you know, they have first, second, and third,

0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:54.480
<v Speaker 2>and then every other kid will get highly commended. Oh right, yeah,

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 2>see what I mean. So I go, oh, this is interesting.

0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 2>It's not really a competition. Well, it's a competition for first, second, third,

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 2>but everyone gets their Instagram.

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Photo ding ding ding. That's the part smart business, I

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 1>gotta say smart. I respect it from our business point

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 1>of view.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is the part that I'm struggling to unsee.

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<v Speaker 2>So the competition benefits from parents feeling like their kids

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.200
<v Speaker 2>have been rewarded. They get some sort of metal or

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Some places get trophies. I need to

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 2>segue for a second to the trophies, because I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>this world now. My algorithm is feeding me solo dance commps,

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:32.199
<v Speaker 2>and I am shookus by the size of the trophies.

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 2>They are taller than the kids. Deliberately, deliberately, and sometimes

0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:38.720
<v Speaker 2>I click on the comp because I go, this has

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<v Speaker 2>to be an American comp no Australian comps.

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking trophies. Your height revs next.

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<v Speaker 2>To like a seven and eight year old, and not

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 2>only that, tiaras that are double the height of their heads.

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, those big like triangular fan beauty pageant tiaras.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what I mean by the toddlers and tiaras

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<v Speaker 1>coming from Timu or whatever. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always like, adoff my cap to a smart business thing.

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:07.399
<v Speaker 2>You know, we have a sports camp that does the

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<v Speaker 2>rounds in our area.

0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Actually it's Sydney wide, it might even be into state.

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 2>And I have so much respect because I'm like, oh,

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I see what you've done. You're getting all this cheap

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>merch and you've branded this beautifully.

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:19.920
<v Speaker 1>The kids fucking love it. They froth.

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Everyone's a winner. Everyone leaves with prizes. It's great. Parents

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 2>love it because they're like, my kid wants to go. Yes,

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 2>it's expensive, but they go without any fuss. All their

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 2>friends go, and I'm like, fucking genius. Everybody wins. But

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:32.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm also like, this.

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Is cheap shit. Yeah that you got from China.

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 2>That's gonna break next week in my house and everyone's

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 2>gonna cry. But like, you know, respect, it feels similar. Yeah,

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 2>everything's so accessible now like you could have the trophies,

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:45.880
<v Speaker 2>the tiara's.

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 1>The backgrounds. Well, I guess everyone gets their photos.

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm just sad that we've as a country

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 2>brought into the steroid version of dance comms. And I

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know how I feel about kids posing with all

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:02.040
<v Speaker 2>of these fricking trophies and a tiara in their spraytown

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:06.400
<v Speaker 2>and false slashes in front of a huge sign even

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 2>the signage. Remember I said in my day it was

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 2>a black curtain.

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Now it's like star Power, Ultimate Dancer.

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.600
<v Speaker 2>It's all these adrenaline, you know, and they're these big

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of letters, and you know. I posted a video

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 2>one video of Wrath on my personal Instagram and it

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:23.879
<v Speaker 2>was her like dress rehearsal when it was in a

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 2>black box theater, and I was like, I prefer this

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 2>because it feels like the.

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:30.479
<v Speaker 1>Pure form of performance. I don't like when she's dancing

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:31.160
<v Speaker 1>in front of this.

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Do you're not sign because it's American and flashy and

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:36.239
<v Speaker 2>you know it's moved on or because it's not what

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 2>you know from your day, Like, what is it you

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.239
<v Speaker 2>don't like about it? Well, I guess I'm bringing this

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:42.959
<v Speaker 2>to the pod because I'm trying to figure that out

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 2>because I don't actually know. But all I know is

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.959
<v Speaker 2>that there's a discomfort, like I feel activated by it.

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 2>So I've declared this before I even find group, and

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:56.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even talking competition. I find little girls in

0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 2>dance concerts with makeup on. I've always found that uncomfortable,

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 2>and I loved it as a kid, I was like,

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 2>put more makeup on. I love it, you know, So

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed it, and I understand the cute, like the

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 2>enjoyment from the kid's point of view, and the participation

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 2>in the theatrical world.

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:11.400
<v Speaker 1>And this is the thing.

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Anything that a kid is doing that starts recreationally, it's

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 2>like they're participating in a world, and there's an element

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 2>of cosplay for everyone involved, you know what I mean,

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:22.479
<v Speaker 2>from sport to dance, gymnastics to piano to whatever.

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Like everyone's shit to begin with, some people clearly have a.

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Knack for it, and then it all gets more serious

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 2>as you get older, right, But there's an element of light.

0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 2>We're all entering a world, and this world has rules,

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 2>and this world has customs and ceremony and things we do,

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and you know that could be oranges by the netball

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 2>court or lipstick at the dance concert, right. But I've

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 2>always found like, and maybe because I had a kid

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 2>who didn't want to wear the makeup, that like threw

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:49.480
<v Speaker 2>it into focus for me, because if my kid wanted

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 2>to I'd be like, oh, yeah, this is fun whatever.

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm a little bit of blush and lippy. No dramas.

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 2>But I've always found that confronting because I'm like, why

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 2>are we painting that these little dolly Like it's a

0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 2>bit weird. And I come from the world world, right, well,

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 2>and there is a version where all of these kids,

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 2>and I don't want to take anything away from these kids.

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 2>The level of talent of six, seven and eight year

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 2>old in twenty twenty six is insane, like the tricks

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 2>that they can do. But that's the other thing you

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 2>said that the tricks have become very it's very trick forwards.

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Right, yes.

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 2>And this is the thing is I think a lot

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 2>of people feel that, like we're like, where's the dance

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 2>in this routine. It's become I do this trick and

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 2>then I do a lake mounta and then I do

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 2>a split leave, and then I do a backwards walkover

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 2>and then you know, where is the storytelling in dance?

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 2>It's got lost. But the problem is is people like

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 2>to win. Yeah, they like to win, and the judges

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 2>award yeah trick and there'd be rubric for the judges

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 2>that you've got to hit things, course points whatever. But

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 2>isn't that the difference between art and competition, Like you

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 2>can still go to contemporary dance, you can go to

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 2>bangara tomorrow night and it's no one's judging it. You

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 2>don't have to hit. It is storytelling, it is art.

0:30:57.400 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Like that's the difference, right, Like you can go down

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 2>to the soccer field tonight and kick a ball around

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 2>and have a game. But then there's also the Grand

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Final and there are rules and there are scores, and

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 2>there are points, and there's a uniform and there's referees

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 2>and then there's a big ceremony, you know what I mean.

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Like there are different versions of these activities and there

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 2>is everything from the fun backyard version to the competition.

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 1>It's the competition part of it, That's the bit I'm

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>challenged by.

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 2>It is the ranking of kids and them being awarded

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 2>by these garish over the top trophies. Because I'm a

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 2>little bit like, okay, there's the argument of their building

0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 2>their confidence. There's growth with stage time, and you know,

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 2>they say that being in a dance team can foster

0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 2>leadership skills in kids. All of any team anything is

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 2>good for everybody. But as I mentioned, the competition solo

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 2>world is small.

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 1>The kids all.

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Kind of go home with something. As they get older,

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 2>they're going to start not winning because you know, you

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 2>have kids who develop their skills later in dance, and

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 2>then the playing field kind of levels out and then

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 2>suddenly they're not going to win everything. And I wonder

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 2>from a business point of view, there must be a peak,

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>and I reckon it probably is seven to ten, you

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, where all the kids they don't

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 2>know if they're good yet, they just want to be

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 2>part of it. Yeah, and so they're my mom, I

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>want to do I want to do. I want to

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 2>do it, and parents like, okay, maybe they're good. I

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 2>don't know, you know, like they foster it. And so

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:23.040
<v Speaker 2>probably business wise there'd be a most lucrative category total

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 2>the business.

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>No, you're absolutely right, Revs.

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Your observations are spot on, and as a parent at

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 2>these comps, I feel myself, Oh, of course, drinking the

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 2>kool aid and getting sucked in, and suddenly I'm like,

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 2>the stakes feel so high, I feel emotionally shot on

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 2>behalf of my child.

0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 1>And then I'm like, jem zoom out.

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:43.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is an eight year old child we are

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 2>talking about who loves dancing in her living room. And

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>so when parents say my daughter just loves dance, it's like,

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 2>but she dances in group comps. She is not not

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 2>getting her fixed. She's getting her fix there. But it's camaraderie,

0:32:57.240 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 2>it's a team spot the solo world feels do you.

0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Think can I challenge you on something? Please help me?

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Do you think? And this won't be new to ogdls

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>you also do you think? And I could be wrong.

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm just throwing it out. Yeah.

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 2>You also have a relationship with attention. You know, like

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.720
<v Speaker 2>you've got a britishness to you that's like all right,

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 2>like chill out, Like you're not special, Like there's something

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>a bit more about the team. That's like we're a

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>team and no one's we're all pulling together, you know,

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:28.959
<v Speaker 2>all the things you're talking about, it's like it's okay.

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 2>But when it's a solo, it's about one kid. You're

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 2>a star and it's all the attentions on you and

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 2>all the focus is on you, and it's a different

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 2>energy because the competition's kind of the same across all

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 2>of it. Right. I understand it's studio led and not

0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 2>parent led and stuff, but like, but.

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 1>It's that side revs.

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but what's wrong with a parent going no, I

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 2>want to push my kid forward and give them the stage.

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, it's just

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:56.440
<v Speaker 2>that for me personally, when I feel myself getting sucked

0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 2>in and feeling.

0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:59.240
<v Speaker 1>Like the stakes are high and caring too much and

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 1>going well, want to get perspective?

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And then I go, wait, is this the parent's hobby,

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:09.360
<v Speaker 2>because that's what it feels like in a solo comp world.

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:12.759
<v Speaker 2>None of these kids are entering themselves. Mom and dads

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 2>aren't though I understand that, but it's I don't know

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:20.439
<v Speaker 2>how to articulate the difference between something being studio led

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 2>and something being parent led.

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:23.879
<v Speaker 1>Well, is that that anyone can do it? Of course,

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>anyone can do it, but like with studio, you can't.

0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Like the studio would have to choose the team who's

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 2>going to be in this dance and pick it and

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:32.360
<v Speaker 2>put it together, whereas can I put Teddy in a

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 2>solo comp of course you could, right, Yeah, maybe it's that,

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:37.040
<v Speaker 2>like it's almost like it's not as.

0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's that.

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 2>It's more like, look, you could argue, this is the

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:46.240
<v Speaker 2>hobby you do together. Yeah, you're child that you share together,

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 2>father and son going golfing.

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Sure, and then you spend se as long as your

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:54.759
<v Speaker 1>weekend's doing it together. And that part of I really enjoy. Yeah,

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Like I enjoy the.

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Time I get to spend with Raft and we go

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 2>together and we're in it together. But what I don't

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 2>like is when I care too much, when the stakes

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 2>feel too high, that's it.

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 1>And then I'm like, fucking calm down, like this is silly.

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So how does raf feel? Is she asking to

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 2>do more dance? Well, she loves more and she.

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Loves me in it. She absolutely does. And that's what

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I think. That's what I'm struggling with.

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Is I'm trying to support that, and I think, because

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 2>I've been in the industry, I know too much and

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:27.959
<v Speaker 2>I try all the time to reflect back. What would

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:30.319
<v Speaker 2>eight year old Gem have loved? Eight year old Gem

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.280
<v Speaker 2>would have loved a pairy, Who've got me an agent

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 2>who allowed me to audition from a young age for

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 2>everything and anything, who had all the opportunities. But then

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:43.800
<v Speaker 2>modern gem, adult gem with a daughter is just trying

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 2>to preserve a level of innocence and to mitigate potential.

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:51.719
<v Speaker 2>And I say this with real truth and honesty. Burnout

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 2>totally because what these you know? First, I do know,

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 2>And I also think it's important not to peak eight

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 2>years old as in peak com like you know, they

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:04.879
<v Speaker 2>say in the sporting world that at eight years old

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:06.560
<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't be specialized.

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, all the research is.

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 2>To play multiple sports before you specialize, and kids don't

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:16.800
<v Speaker 2>specialize until they're teenagers. I know some do obviously, like

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 2>kids who do gymnastics and stuff like their careers a

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:19.760
<v Speaker 2>start early.

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Like this is what I mean.

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna argue with myself on loop because I just

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:26.439
<v Speaker 2>I think I don't know why I'm so uncomfortable about

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 2>it all, but I am. Yeah, And if it was

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 2>black curtain, you know, hand me down costume, would you

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:35.479
<v Speaker 2>feel differently? Is it the esthetics of the whole world?

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 2>You know we're really talking about and can we just

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 2>talk about that and how it feels a little fucked up.

0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Thank you little painted dollies. It's a little bit too much.

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:46.359
<v Speaker 2>And then there's the Instagram layer, because all of these

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 2>kids have their own social media accounts because.

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 1>Run by mum, run by moms. They have to be.

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, of course, of course, but back to that ecosystem.

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 2>They post the awards photos of the kids with all

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.320
<v Speaker 2>the trophies. My kid won this, this in this category,

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 2>which then they tag the comp and then they tag

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 2>their studio and then they reshare it, you.

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Know what I mean.

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:11.080
<v Speaker 2>And all of this is at the cost of the parents,

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 2>and it's an enormost you mean the literal cost, the

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 2>literal financial financial cost.

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean again, I doff my cap.

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 2>I just think it's so smart, Like my business point,

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 2>I think it's really smart and it's funny. There are

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 2>so many times in life where your eyes are opened.

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Like I remember, oh gosh, oh this is years ago

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 2>when I had like a creative agency and we used

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 2>to make content, and like, you know, the best thing

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 2>you can get when you're a creative making work is

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:39.480
<v Speaker 2>PR because like just say, you get a spread in

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 2>a magazine or like any kind of PR shout, it

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:45.200
<v Speaker 2>legitimizes you it makes people find you. But really it's

0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 2>so you can put that forward and go, look, I'm

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 2>making things and it's legit and people like it and

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:50.840
<v Speaker 2>people have things to say about it.

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.800
<v Speaker 1>And I remember like being approached by.

0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Vogue Bride right because I had a wedding side to

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 2>the business, and they're like, we want to feature one

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:01.239
<v Speaker 2>of your weddings, and we are like, oh my god,

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Vogue Pride, huge, huge, It's only going to be five

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:09.759
<v Speaker 2>nine hundred dollars or for seven thousand dollars. You can

0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 2>also have a listing on the directory. Oh blah blah blah.

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:14.760
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, wait, hang on, but they'd emailed

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 2>us with congratulations, you've been selected. Here's a badge to

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 2>put on your Instagram, here's something to put on your

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:23.879
<v Speaker 2>banner for your website, blah blah blah. Really, I'm sure

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 2>every I mean, I'm sure there was a slight level

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 2>of you had to be a certain level of good.

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 1>But ultimately, ultimately, yeah, it's a bit.

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Then you go huh, and then you start to look

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:36.279
<v Speaker 2>around and go, so, wait, everyone featured in Vogue they

0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:39.360
<v Speaker 2>paid for And then you go then you open Sunday

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Life magazine and you go, oh my god, this editorial

0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 2>feature on this actor. Oh. Channel nine paid for that

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.400
<v Speaker 2>because they've got a show coming out, and like no journalists,

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:49.440
<v Speaker 2>was like, they are so interesting, I'm going to do

0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 2>this and put them on the cover. Everything's commercial and

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:55.239
<v Speaker 2>it's like and once you've seen seen it, you go, oh,

0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 2>takes the shine night. We're all just living in a

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 2>fucking simulation. That's what it fore. I estate exactly the same,

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 2>every real estate agent. They're doing things at the expense

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.439
<v Speaker 2>of the vendor and of the purchaser on all those

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 2>things and the buyer's agent whatever.

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 1>But it's a loop of it's.

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 2>All optics what goes on their Instagram, on their car,

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:18.719
<v Speaker 2>on their whatever. But I do think every single industry,

0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 2>every single world, Like you know, I'm deep in the

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 2>soccer world, like it's not I think what we're talking about,

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:28.319
<v Speaker 2>particularly with girls, and I think the discomfort area it

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:31.960
<v Speaker 2>comes from one solo performing on a stage. You know,

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:33.840
<v Speaker 2>that's a big deal for a girl to be like,

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 2>look at me. There's a level of that look at me,

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>just me, Yeah, underlights doing a thing for you and

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:40.759
<v Speaker 2>I want you to clap, you know what I mean?

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Like there's that and then there's body and makeup and

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 2>hair and costumes, and they're doing the splits, and they're

0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:49.520
<v Speaker 2>doing all these sexy moves and you know it's.

0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:52.760
<v Speaker 1>About to say they're doing the splits. And then there's

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:55.360
<v Speaker 1>like a sixty year old man with a camera whose

0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:58.880
<v Speaker 1>job is to document it, and there's a videographer. You know,

0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:02.440
<v Speaker 1>we pretending, well, this is the dark side that we

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:05.799
<v Speaker 1>all like to pretend isn't a real thing, but it

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:08.839
<v Speaker 1>is a real thing. And then me the parent, I'm

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 1>spending fifty.

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Dollars to get access to these photos and videos for mems. Yeah,

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:17.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, feeding the beast. And it can all be true,

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 2>that's the thing. All of it can be true. It

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 2>can be a bit gross. It can be a great business.

0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:24.800
<v Speaker 2>It can be fun for rapper. It can be amazing

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 2>opportunities that will set kids up who won't burn out,

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 2>who will go on to be professional dancers. It can

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.960
<v Speaker 2>be fulfilling for parents. It can be just like gross

0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:36.040
<v Speaker 2>for parents. It could it should be confidence killing for

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 2>some kids because they've been pit against their peers. You know,

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 2>it could be the beginning of trauma for a lot

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:42.759
<v Speaker 2>of people. And it genuinely can. I don't use that

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.080
<v Speaker 2>lightly or like I'm not throwing that away. You look

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 2>at the dance mom kids, look at kids who were

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:49.720
<v Speaker 2>never on a TV. Like, I've got a dear friend

0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 2>who is properly traumatized from her years of dance, just

0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 2>from like a really awful teacher that she had that

0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 2>destroyed her, you know, and she's still in her forties

0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 2>working through that era of her life. But that could

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 2>happen in anything, captin surfing, it could happen in chess club.

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:07.800
<v Speaker 2>It could happen in you know, the Math's Olympia, anything

0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 2>where there is a competition element and kids are literally

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:13.319
<v Speaker 2>pitted against each other because that's what a competition is.

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>This can happen. So what do I do, revs?

0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:18.279
<v Speaker 2>How do I have to get good with it? For

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 2>yourself and for RAFFA. You can't solve the industry. No,

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 2>you choose to opt in or opt out. Well, I'm

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 2>trying to put boundaries and limitations around it. That's the

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 2>hardest place to be, the hardest place to be is

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:33.799
<v Speaker 2>one foot in one foot Well, it's like anything with

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:36.279
<v Speaker 2>screen time, right, Like there was a time where it

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 2>is it open flaver and kids watch what they want

0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:42.960
<v Speaker 2>until one day, I wizened up and I've decided to

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:45.360
<v Speaker 2>put parameters around it. And I think, why I'm bringing

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:47.640
<v Speaker 2>this chat to the pot. It's almost therapy for me

0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 2>to go, Okay, what's my line? Like, I don't want

0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:54.719
<v Speaker 2>my daughter to have to fake tan at eight years old.

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't feel right for me. Other parents might be

0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:59.200
<v Speaker 2>comfortable with that, that's not for me. Yeah, it's okay.

0:41:59.440 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Things lie.

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:03.320
<v Speaker 2>At the last comp, she ran over to me after

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.760
<v Speaker 2>the awards and with a big flyer and it was like, congratulations, Raffer,

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:09.879
<v Speaker 2>You've been invited to Nationals.

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh And I was like, oh my god, what's this?

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>And she goes, mom, Mom, I want to go to Nationals.

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 1>I really want to go. It's in the Gold Coast.

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:20.439
<v Speaker 1>Can we go? And I was like, but that's flights, Yeah,

0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 1>that's accommodation.

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:25.879
<v Speaker 2>And then suddenly I look around and every kid has

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 2>a fly has a flyer because of course, because then

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:30.719
<v Speaker 2>they have to enter their kids and pay an entry

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 2>fee and then buy the videos. And there's that economy

0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:38.879
<v Speaker 2>around it. Absolutely, as you say, mad, respect the word

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:41.919
<v Speaker 2>congratulations for anything, and almost anyone.

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Will sign their kid up, you know.

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're all desperately hoping our kid's going to thrive

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:47.920
<v Speaker 2>at something that's natural, you know.

0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:49.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But the.

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Curtain's been lifted because I think before rafted Solos and

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:56.680
<v Speaker 2>I started researching into it, I was getting, like I mentioned,

0:42:56.680 --> 0:43:00.200
<v Speaker 2>fed content of all these kids with their own Instagram, mum, run, parent,

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:03.040
<v Speaker 2>run whatever accounts, and it's like, you know, we're so

0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 2>excited to go to nationals. But now I'm like, we're

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:09.200
<v Speaker 2>all going to nationals, we're all going internationals, and you're

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:11.839
<v Speaker 2>paying for it, exactly like what you were saying about

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Vogue Bride.

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 1>We're all paying.

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.719
<v Speaker 2>For those optics co p rut because we think it

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 2>leads to opportunity, and that's the night.

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:21.439
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it probably will.

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.439
<v Speaker 2>But that's the part that I'm fighting to not let

0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 2>myself drink the kool aid, all right, right and not

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 2>participating one because I think part of the reason why

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:33.319
<v Speaker 2>I chose raffas dance school was because the culture is

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 2>so beautiful. It's support first, it's team first, it's not

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 2>individual first, and it's certainly not pitting kids against each other.

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 1>But I can see a world.

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Where schools are like, hey, if you want your kid

0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 2>to be front row in the group comp they need

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:50.319
<v Speaker 2>to be doing solos. Yeah, and they need to be

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:52.800
<v Speaker 2>representing our studio and they need to be competing every

0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 2>weekend at as many comps as they are, and we

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:56.759
<v Speaker 2>shall reward you.

0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:59.239
<v Speaker 2>And there's a level of privilege with that that is

0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 2>just like beyond on so many families. How many times

0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 2>I have zoomed out of this and I'm like, how

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 2>are people affording this?

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, it is a recreation for the privilege.

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 2>It is an unbelievably privileged but literally unbelievable.

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Curricula generally is now a privilege, you know what I mean? Everything.

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I can't think of one chill less than two hundred

0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:24.960
<v Speaker 2>dollars a term extracurricular activity.

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I can't think of one.

0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Maybe like a beach cleanup or something if your kid

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 2>was into that, but that's not what they want to do,

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:33.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, like soccer registration for Teddy and his kid,

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 2>and like the training because we do private because the club.

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't organized training. You have to as a team organized

0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 1>of course.

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.319
<v Speaker 2>And then there's like little things like you know, you've

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 2>got to have the boots that fit, you know, and

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:44.960
<v Speaker 2>then you've got to do the thank you gifts for

0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 2>all the parents who put so much time into it,

0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 2>like it becomes a thousand dollars.

0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 1>So quickly, you know a season.

0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:54.400
<v Speaker 2>At least that, Oh, do you know what's landed on me?

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:58.239
<v Speaker 2>The discomfort of what I feel is when I'm most activated,

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:00.759
<v Speaker 2>is when I hear myself going, should Raffa have an

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Instagram account?

0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Should she be competing more? Should she be doing more solos?

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Should she get an Australian custom costume worth eight hundred

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 1>dollars because that's what all the other kids had, eight

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:12.279
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars.

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:15.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't own any clothes that are worth eight hundred dollars. No, no,

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:18.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't. The most I've paid for a costume is

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:20.239
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty dollars, and I thought that was

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 2>a lot, a lot.

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.319
<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of money. We're not gas lighting over that.

0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:26.560
<v Speaker 1>That is a lot of.

0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Money for a costume, a kid's costume. There's like not

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:31.760
<v Speaker 2>even a yard of fabric.

0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:33.960
<v Speaker 1>In those things. I know. But then I see my

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:38.840
<v Speaker 1>daughter skip into dance, hug her dance bestie who she

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 1>loves spending time with, running into friends from her old

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:43.800
<v Speaker 1>school who she loves seeing.

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 2>The kids are the purest form, the way they support

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 2>each other and love each other because they're seven and.

0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Eight year olds.

0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:52.200
<v Speaker 2>They don't who wouldn't want to give those kids? They

0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:54.720
<v Speaker 2>did those things if they could. They don't know the stakes.

0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:55.920
<v Speaker 1>So baby, you just have.

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:58.040
<v Speaker 2>To pick your line, as you said, is it Instagram

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 2>and fake tan or is it solo fully like stay

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:03.319
<v Speaker 2>in the team comps only or you know, like you

0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 2>just got to pick your line and everyone will have

0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:07.919
<v Speaker 2>their line and that's okay for everyone. Like course, as

0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 2>we said, like all of this can be true, Like

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:13.160
<v Speaker 2>some kids will compete in every fucking thing, have every

0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:16.520
<v Speaker 2>esthetic element on, have the full costumes, and it will

0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:18.240
<v Speaker 2>mean a lot to them and their family.

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.839
<v Speaker 1>And there's no heart. It's not harming any gosh. No, no, no,

0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:22.200
<v Speaker 1>no no.

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:24.799
<v Speaker 2>I just want to be clear that I'm nervous to

0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 2>have this chat because I don't want to appear judgmental.

0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:31.800
<v Speaker 2>It's honestly me grappling with my own internal conflict.

0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:34.719
<v Speaker 1>About it and figuring out what my line is and

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:36.319
<v Speaker 1>where my comfort levels are.

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because if you were to say to me right now, Jim,

0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 2>you seem a bit conflicted.

0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Pull her out of solos.

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she can dance in her living room and group films.

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:47.200
<v Speaker 2>That's enough and then I go, well, no, because she

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:51.279
<v Speaker 2>loves it and I enjoy it for her. So that's

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:53.799
<v Speaker 2>kind of where I've like, I feel like I've progressed

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 2>nowhere other than to kind of unpack my thoughts and feelings.

0:46:56.920 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 2>But like other other dance moms DL who can slide

0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 2>in and talk to me about this, do you feel

0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:05.080
<v Speaker 2>this conflict or are you at peace? And do you

0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 2>have a mindset or an outlook or a reframe. I

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:10.239
<v Speaker 2>don't know anyone at peace with anything.

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't like I'm.

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Not at peace with my kids being on Instagram, my Instagram.

0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? But I don't really stop.

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean I've changed, but like, but hang on a

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:20.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of things where I'm like, I don't know.

0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:23.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Yes, I don't know. Speaking about kids

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:24.719
<v Speaker 1>on Instagram.

0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:27.560
<v Speaker 2>It's a little bit like the conflict we feel about

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:31.080
<v Speaker 2>beauty and the roster that we take on as women

0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:33.360
<v Speaker 2>for beauty, and then when we're feeling really feminist and

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:35.919
<v Speaker 2>anti patriarchy, we're like, a fuck at all?

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.439
<v Speaker 1>Why am I spending all this money? It's that fine,

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:39.120
<v Speaker 1>don't wear makeup?

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:41.160
<v Speaker 2>You're like, well, no, no, and then you get your

0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:43.239
<v Speaker 2>fresh botoxs and you're happy for a few months, and

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 2>then you get to the end of that and then

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:45.399
<v Speaker 2>you're like.

0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Well am I doing Who am I doing this? What

0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:47.600
<v Speaker 1>should I do it?

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of money, No, fuck it, I'm going

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:50.920
<v Speaker 2>to do it because I feel fresh and doing it

0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:53.160
<v Speaker 2>on me and no one else. I think that's different

0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:56.279
<v Speaker 2>to kids, because yeah, there's a level of like, how

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:58.640
<v Speaker 2>do you know where those kids are going to land

0:47:58.760 --> 0:47:59.920
<v Speaker 2>when they grow up from this?

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:00.600
<v Speaker 1>You don't.

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:03.319
<v Speaker 2>But then one thing I will say we can't do

0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:05.160
<v Speaker 2>for other people, we can only do for our own

0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:08.160
<v Speaker 2>kids is you can't concern troll people over what's that

0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:09.000
<v Speaker 2>doing for the kid?

0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:09.640
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean?

0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Like that you got to leave that to the family.

0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 2>That family can decide what's good for that kid. Absolutely

0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 2>decide what's right for your kid. Raffa's fucking thriving, she's

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:21.560
<v Speaker 2>loving it. Pick an amount of money and an amount

0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.360
<v Speaker 2>of time and we cap on it and when you

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.760
<v Speaker 2>get there, we're done. You know, like I don't know totally,

0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Like Isla would do, and same thing in sport, this

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 2>is the name of all her clinics. She goes to

0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Prodigy Elite. Fucking yeah, there's like an adrenaline, you know,

0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:39.319
<v Speaker 2>like they're all called these things and you're like, oh,

0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:42.200
<v Speaker 2>my daughter, sorry, we can't today, We're off to Prodigy.

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:42.600
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:45.719
<v Speaker 1>It's like it makes you feel good. It does. I'm

0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:46.279
<v Speaker 1>not gonna lie.

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:49.440
<v Speaker 2>It's designed to and it's designed to congratulations.

0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Ala has been accepted into the Prodigy Skills.

0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Camp and I'm like she, oh, it'll only be nine

0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:56.560
<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars and you do have to buy the training

0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:59.279
<v Speaker 2>kit if you want photos. Blah blah blah. There's a

0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:01.800
<v Speaker 2>level of that. It's not the same in sport.

0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but can we talk about.

0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:07.320
<v Speaker 2>The mob mentality of how when the chat amongst parents,

0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:07.759
<v Speaker 2>oh my.

0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Daughter's going is you? You know, like there's a pressure.

0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:14.279
<v Speaker 2>So I'm in a nice medium place where there are

0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 2>i would say fifty percent like who's doing this, We're

0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:17.440
<v Speaker 2>doing that?

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Are you doing Prodigy, We're doing Elite blah blah blah

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:20.080
<v Speaker 1>blah blah.

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Yah, And there's other people who are like, nah, that's

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:23.600
<v Speaker 2>not for Zoe, that's not for Chloe.

0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Whatever.

0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, and I just choose depending on what

0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:31.120
<v Speaker 2>we've got going on that holidays. But I didn't come

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:34.080
<v Speaker 2>from soccer, so there's nothing in me that's like, no,

0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 2>Eila's got to do it all.

0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:35.680
<v Speaker 1>No, do it all.

0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:36.920
<v Speaker 2>This is just part of it. You've got to do

0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:38.920
<v Speaker 2>it if you're not doing it. Whereas I noticed with

0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:41.439
<v Speaker 2>her dad, he's like, she's got to do fitness every day.

0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:44.480
<v Speaker 2>She's got it because he comes from that world. Yeah, like,

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:47.160
<v Speaker 2>if it's actually a curse when you come from the world,

0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:49.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be it's way more complicated when it's

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:51.600
<v Speaker 2>your history and your world.

0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:53.160
<v Speaker 1>You see how it's changed.

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:55.279
<v Speaker 2>But also you want to give them the edge because

0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 2>you know the feeling of winning and all.

0:49:57.400 --> 0:49:59.520
<v Speaker 1>That stuff, and like, you've got to get good with

0:49:59.560 --> 0:49:59.879
<v Speaker 1>your own.

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I've gotten really good at being rough as cheerleader, not

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.880
<v Speaker 2>her coach, to the point where I believed to the

0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:09.080
<v Speaker 2>point where I've said it to her where I'm like,

0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:11.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to be a cheerleader, not your coach.

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<v Speaker 1>And now she parrots it back to me.

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<v Speaker 2>When I catch myself being like point those toes, She'll

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<v Speaker 2>be like, be my cheerleader, mom, not my coach, not

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<v Speaker 2>your job, not your lane, And I'll be like, you're

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely right, kid, Thanks for keeping me in check, because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want anything to harm our relationship as mother

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<v Speaker 2>and daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not worth it, That is so far from worth it.

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<v Speaker 2>So just coming in and being the support and smiling

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<v Speaker 2>through it. And yes, maybe there are things that aren't

0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:38.319
<v Speaker 2>done perfectly, who gives a fuck. It's like watching your

0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:41.280
<v Speaker 2>husband change and nappy and go, oh, do it that way,

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<v Speaker 2>but you let it go. Also, if your kid is

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute, actual prodigy at something, it's going to be undeniable.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to miss it, you know what I mean,

0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Like it's going to get found and the world will

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<v Speaker 2>sort that out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just capitalism. It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the part that I don't want to lose perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>We also feel that gives everyone grace. It's like, yeah,

0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:04.040
<v Speaker 2>we love capitalism, don't we.

0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:06.919
<v Speaker 1>We love it. We all participately, know what. I must admit.

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<v Speaker 2>I had that with the other moms in the dressing

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<v Speaker 2>room at the dance comp where I was like this

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<v Speaker 2>is a bit weird, isn't it, And they're like, yep,

0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:15.959
<v Speaker 2>it's all fucking weird, but we're here and we're doing

0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:18.279
<v Speaker 2>it for the kids, and I'm like, yeah, have we are,

0:51:18.400 --> 0:51:22.040
<v Speaker 2>aren't we It's it's weird. It's fucking strange, but we're

0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:26.640
<v Speaker 2>all here grinning together, surviving it together. Well, keen to

0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:28.960
<v Speaker 2>hear the TL community on this one.

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Please slide in and chat with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe my cheerlead are not my coach? With what choreography?

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<v Speaker 1>Aren't I both? Yes? I try so hard with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally have to coach me. I don't know what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to coach her, no way around it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's wild, reds is I am giving you

0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:54.319
<v Speaker 2>so many verbal rewards and they don't go in here.

0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:56.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't hear them, none of it because I hate myself.

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<v Speaker 1>You hear absolutely none of it.

0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:00.960
<v Speaker 2>It's just like if my mom was pushing me into

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<v Speaker 2>dance comps, I would be traumatized.

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<v Speaker 1>You would be. But I'm an adult who are self

0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:09.759
<v Speaker 1>selected into this, so I have nothing to complain. I

0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:12.640
<v Speaker 1>have the deepest well of patients for you. You do,

0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:15.200
<v Speaker 1>which is wild. I mean, look, I get a lot

0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:18.040
<v Speaker 1>of chat back. I'll be like, hey, you and you

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:19.279
<v Speaker 1>know how you're saying you're giving me.

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<v Speaker 2>I am censoring ninety percent of what I want to say.

0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm not I want to say I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>put my foot that way.

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<v Speaker 1>You won't do it, No, you say it. No, trust me,

0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:30.520
<v Speaker 1>you do. You've said that to me. I know.

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:34.400
<v Speaker 2>But for everything I say, there's another nine comments. I

0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:36.560
<v Speaker 2>want to say that I go Rev, stopping a fucking

0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:39.200
<v Speaker 2>brat and just learn it so we're both struggling.

0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:44.520
<v Speaker 1>That would be great. Yes, we don't need to hear

0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:47.640
<v Speaker 1>me with your not spawn. Have I got to nut

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<v Speaker 1>spawn for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned it earlier, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Odyssey it's the new Christopher Nolan film. Everyone is likening

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:59.759
<v Speaker 2>this moment in the zeitgeist, like Avatar when the first

0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:01.239
<v Speaker 2>three film came out.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is the return of Imax. Jim a solid.

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<v Speaker 2>If you are interested in Greek mythology, perhaps you're not

0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:10.479
<v Speaker 2>recommend brushing up on your Greek mythology before you seek you're.

0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:12.839
<v Speaker 1>Not, you probably are. Every single story comes from it.

0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:15.000
<v Speaker 2>It's really worth brushing up on it so that you're

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:17.759
<v Speaker 2>not going in completely blind, being like who's who?

0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Because there are so many.

0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Characters at play or played by megastars, insane list of

0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:24.839
<v Speaker 2>talent in this one, and don't do what I did

0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:27.319
<v Speaker 2>and go and see it at your local hoots. Go

0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:30.040
<v Speaker 2>to the Imax. Might be hard to get tickets as

0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:33.759
<v Speaker 2>it's fully sold out. There are even six am sessions,

0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:36.839
<v Speaker 2>and in America there are four am sessions so people

0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 2>can go before work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's madness. The pandemonium around this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Is huge also because there's barely any visual effects in

0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:48.000
<v Speaker 2>the film. Everything was done practically as we touched on

0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:51.960
<v Speaker 2>before and honestly, it's a feat of cinematic insanity.

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<v Speaker 1>Can recommend. I can't wait to see it.

0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:57.319
<v Speaker 2>I wont I'm dying, dying for Revs to sit because

0:53:57.320 --> 0:53:58.399
<v Speaker 2>I want to unpack it with her.

0:53:58.520 --> 0:53:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Can't wait?

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<v Speaker 2>Can we see it on too it? Yeah, I'll come

0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:02.600
<v Speaker 2>with you as soon as I have three hours back.

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<v Speaker 1>I will see.

0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Mine is a show for your slightly older kids, if

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:08.080
<v Speaker 2>you have kids.

0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Well, Ila's twelve, but.

0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:12.760
<v Speaker 2>I would say her content age would be about fourteen

0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:16.560
<v Speaker 2>to sixteen. She is loving and teddy too. Fresh off

0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:18.720
<v Speaker 2>the Boat. Do you remember that show? It's about fifteen

0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:21.439
<v Speaker 2>years old. It is about an Asian family who moved

0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:22.800
<v Speaker 2>to America, Middle America.

0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's a series. It's a series. There's a few seasons.

0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:29.360
<v Speaker 2>It's on Disney Plus and it is just the most hilarious, wholesome,

0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:33.920
<v Speaker 2>awesome TV show. It's got great Like all the actors

0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:36.799
<v Speaker 2>went on to do amazing things, amazing writers. Is it

0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:40.520
<v Speaker 2>modern family esque in terms of like the vibe like

0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:43.400
<v Speaker 2>multicam sure other epps like twenty seven minutes.

0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:45.200
<v Speaker 1>It's exactly like Okay, and it's great.

0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:47.719
<v Speaker 2>You love the characters in like they get richer as

0:54:47.719 --> 0:54:48.560
<v Speaker 2>the season goes on.

0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:51.280
<v Speaker 1>There's kids in it. It's just really really funny.

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:54.240
<v Speaker 2>They just finished Abbott Elementary and they were so devo,

0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:58.040
<v Speaker 2>so this was the replacement and they love it so great. Shit,

0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:01.600
<v Speaker 2>it's old, but it's great, and it's not about romantic

0:55:01.680 --> 0:55:06.800
<v Speaker 2>relationships or bullies. It's just like a family and obviously diversity.

0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:09.000
<v Speaker 2>If you have whitebread kids like me, I'm always trying

0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:10.960
<v Speaker 2>to find ways for diversity in their diet.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. It's great. Love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, guys, Katie needs us to tell you you've

0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:18.440
<v Speaker 2>been asking her and she has delivered.

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<v Speaker 1>You can buy now. This is after a lot of demand.

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<v Speaker 1>We have never wanted to do this before, but we've

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<v Speaker 1>done it. We've acquiesced.

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<v Speaker 2>If you aren't vitle, like you don't want the meet

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<v Speaker 2>and greet and all the vital.

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<v Speaker 1>Experience, but you just want the merch. Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff? Okay? You want to buy the Grady bag.

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<v Speaker 2>You want the toe, you want the hat, you want

0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:39.120
<v Speaker 2>the t shirt, all that stuff. You can buy the

0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:42.399
<v Speaker 2>raw Dog Vital pack, which is the.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff with none of the experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Personally, I want the experience. If you just want the tote,

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<v Speaker 2>that's our way. That's our way, and you do you boo.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our whole vibe around here. So if you go

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<v Speaker 2>on the website you can. You have bullied Katie into it,

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<v Speaker 2>and she has bullied us, and it's up. We are

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<v Speaker 2>loving the feedback on the toe so it just keeps

0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:02.880
<v Speaker 2>coming in the call. We get it like it's my

0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:05.400
<v Speaker 2>work bag. It is Gem's never without it. Yep, I

0:56:05.440 --> 0:56:07.840
<v Speaker 2>love it. It's a goody. We worked really hard on

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<v Speaker 1>For Bye Bye DLS.

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<v Speaker 2>Quazi we always get is do you have to be

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