WEBVTT - #163 Peter Bol’s Journey: Olympics career, setbacks & harnessing the power of resilience 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.560 I my Boris and this is a straight talk a 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:04.960 bit of ball. How are you doing it? A straight 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.639 talk MANE leave a war torn Sedan, you able to 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:11.159 live in Egypt, you end up in the warmbar. Then 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.360 you go to Perth and you know you're representing your 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.960 country nominated to be Australian year, and then you just 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:19.920 get whack. Yeah, how do you pick yourself up? 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:22.919 It's such a xusition. You're you're just not you and 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.159 your own now. It's like if you're not at the 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:28.760 right mindset, it could destroy you. I had no English 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.479 at all, moving moving to Australia, you find out pretty 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:33.800 quickly that you're you're the odd one out and now 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.640 you're in this race to kind of adapt. And everyone 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:38.800 was shocked, like whoa, Like you really have a talent 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:40.160 for this, and I think you should do it outside 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.159 of school. And I just said, I don't really want 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:45.200 to run. It's not it's not my passion. Really, yeah, 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.960 it was just not my thing. It wasn't until again, 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.080 I kept losing and coming second. I was pretty competitive. 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.160 I want to win. It sounds like you're good at 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.240 every bloody thing, but don't tell me a great swim. 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:03.200 It no no bitter bowl. Hey you do a straight 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:03.680 talk mane. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.440 No, thank you for having me. I've been one thing 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:07.200 to come here for. It's pretty cool. Good to be 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.360 first fall Tell me what Yeah. 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:16.399 Actual first name is, Like, it's not Peter. Yeah, I 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:21.800 think that's a great start. My first name is does 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:23.120 it mean something? Yeah? 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.040 So in Ira Regardy is my first language. Nugement is 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:31.320 a star, and then din is religion. Actually interestingly yeah, okay. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:36.000 And and your your religion, your Muslim is religion. And 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.480 because because what I got confused is how you got 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.880 Peter in there? Because Peter is a Christian name. And 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:44.840 did your parents name me Peter or do they call 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:46.160 you something completely different? Now? 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.200 They actually called me something completely different. My parents actually 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.280 never called me Peter or they called me. I'm Tia, 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.080 which is a nickname they gave me when I was 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.800 a little little baby back home and they kept that forever. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:01:58.600 Does it mean something? 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.480 Uh, it's one of my relative's name. So they just 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:03.560 named me after them. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.840 And they okay, so so had you have Peter. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.040 When I moved here, we kind of just selected a 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:09.679 different name. 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.840 Yeah. My man was like that when he came in Australia. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:13.520 No, one could really pronounce your name. 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:15.720 And yeah, that's and that's a bit of a thing. 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.360 I mean for people who migrate this country from a 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:25.120 different language or different culture and language, the first thing 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.240 you want to do is trumphit in. Yeah, you know, 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:31.480 like and you would have been how how how old 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:32.520 were you when you came here? 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.880 I was ten years old the first touchdown in Australia. 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.600 So were you like cognisant the fact that your name 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:40.600 was not when you went to school? He was you 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.200 cognisant of the fact that your name was not not 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.800 like everyone else in the class's name. And was it 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.040 was it you who said IM call miss l Peter. 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:52.079 Or yeah, yeah it was I think I don't even remember. 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.079 It's such a long time ago, but yeah, I think 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:54.400 it was me. 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:54.720 It was. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.200 It was pretty pretty hard. And interestingly, oh, my brother's 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.839 names are are kind of similar. So I've got four 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.560 brothers and one is Sempstead Din, one is my head Din, 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.720 and one is better at Din and one is Din. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.280 So we all have the din in it and super 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.920 Arabic names. And when you come here you realize, like 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.639 everyone's names are kind of different and no one can 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:17.480 pronounce your name is like a struggle. So actually, in reflection, 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:18.919 I wish I kind of just went with my last 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.000 name just Bowl, which is a lot easier to say. 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.919 And pronounce, and make that your first name. Make that 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:29.640 Oh well, hey Bowl Bobo. Yeah yeah cool, that's cool, 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.359 Yeah that is cool. Yeah yeah. But Peter sort of 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.520 makes sense, like like I don't know why you chose Peter, 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.120 but maybe it was someone that you met the called 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.600 because I remember my father Tomas story that when his 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:47.160 youngest brother came to Australia, his name is athanass Athanasos, 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.280 but the guy at the what do you call it 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:55.240 the immigration couldn't pronounce it because it's obviously written in Greek, 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.160 and he said, we're called you Arthur, and now he's 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:03.120 Arthur because it sounds the same, Like my family just 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:06.560 stuck with it, and now he's uncle Arthur or Artie, 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:11.400 which is like very assy, very very easy and similar 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:12.880 to you. Like he came here about he would have 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:16.279 been about ten when he came to Australia and like 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:18.880 so Australian, I it is ridiculous, So I can ask 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:23.680 you about that. So how much of growing up pre 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:29.880 coming to Australia do you think form part of who 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:33.120 Peter Bowl is today pre Australia. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.440 Yeah, that's a really good question, and it's really hard 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.320 to break up because we've kind of shifted from different 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.359 places in different cultures. I was born in Sadan and 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.680 Katum and that's the Sydanese and South Sudanese culture. My 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:47.640 dad South Sudanese and well tell. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:51.200 Me about it that most audiences wouldn't know much about 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:51.760 that culture. 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.039 Yeah, So my dad South sudanes so that's where the 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.720 ball comes from. And my mum is from a Nuba 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.040 tribe in the North Sudan and that's where the Arabic 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.200 path comes from legement Din. There is much difference between 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:08.320 heaps of difference South Sudan, different religion, different languages. So 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.880 my mom and dad actually speak two different languages. My 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.600 dad speaks a trible language called Denka and my mom 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:15.200 speaks her. 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:16.360 Trible language called Nuba. 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.320 And growing up, we actually spoke Nuba with my mom 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.000 because we grew up with my mom's side of the 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.839 family never actually spoke my dad's language because he was 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.919 he was kind of the odd one out growing up 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.400 with all my mom has so many siblings and brothers 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.400 and family and that's who we're around. 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:32.000 Uh. 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.960 And then and then the national language in Saddan is Arabic, 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:36.760 So I think we just stuck to that because it 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:37.640 was just a lot easier. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.200 Spoke Arabic. Yeah, my dad speaks, so that was a 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.279 common language, and that's the common Arabic. But if you 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:46.880 want to have a cracked dad, you spoken uage. But 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:48.920 I've actually completely forgot my mom real. 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:53.679 Yeah, no, we're so little, like like I mean, Alison, 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.159 when I was six years old and when we met 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.560 to Egypt, Egypt is the primary arab is the primary 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:00.840 language Egypt, and you just stuck to that and that's 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.160 all you spoke, and you spoke at home, so that 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:04.640 became the primary language as well. 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:08.200 Arab You still speak Arabic. I still speak fluent read right. 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.400 I can I can only read now. I've kind of 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.920 lost the reading and writing, so I can only speak 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:13.440 it fluently. 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.560 You speak, but do you speak it's still at home 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:16.320 with your mum and. 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:20.120 Yeah, brothers, yeah speaking now, i'd actually speak to my brothers. 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.560 I only speak it to my parents. Wow, yeah, and 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:23.719 some in friends. 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.960 It's it's funny, you know, like you know, like when 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.120 you're I mean I'm a first generation, so I don't 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.599 know other than what my dad's or said and what 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:37.320 I experienced watching my dad. But it'll be interesting to 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.400 hear from someone who actually is an immigrant who came here, 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:43.520 you know, before I became a teenager. What is the 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:45.800 How do you feel when you arrive in the country 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:47.880 like Australia. Do you remember when you when first maybe 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.920 the first time at school everyone speaking a different language? 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.000 Did you have English? In English? No? 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.679 I had I had no English at all moving moving 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.479 to Australia. But interestingly, every time I reflect on it, 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.279 I think was it was a lot easier because as 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:03.680 a ten year old you tend to pick up things 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.880 pretty quickly. Yeah, and you go to school, and I 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:08.839 think what I had. The advantage I had on my 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.360 side is that I had four brothers and we all 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.880 end up similar in the same school, so you have 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:15.720 something familiar that you can go catch up with your 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.920 brothers during recess and lunch and whatnot. But you find 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.520 out pretty quickly that you're the odd one out and 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.120 if you can't if you can't understand the language, every 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.440 single class becomes really difficult to go to and you 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.520 just get nervous go into every single class. The only 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.720 class that kind of made sense with sports, because like, 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:36.200 you pick it up really quickly and it's universal. But 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.680 on top of and then you find out, on top 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.680 of the language, the culture is completely different too. We 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.720 had a complete different culture back home, and now you're 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.360 on dis race to kind of adapt. And while you're 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.800 on disraced to adapt, you're also you're also in the 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.280 race you trying to learn the language. And then the 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.920 conflicting part I think was was that the people that 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.720 you looked up to, which is I think the head 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.360 of the house, which is your parents, they don't get 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.040 to experience them, so they remain their culture the whole 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.320 way because they come here pretty old, don't go to school, 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:11.200 and don't have many Australian friends, and they stay around 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:12.760 the community. So you go to school and you try 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:14.440 and adapt to everything, and then you come back home 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:16.320 back to your own culture, and then you have this 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.080 conflicting side because you're going to school, like most of 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.600 the day, you're spending time, and then over the years 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.440 you start picking up Australian culture and you're going back 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.040 home it's like, well, where does our culture kind of 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:27.960 fit in the middle and that's kind of I think 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.600 it was really challenging finding that. Rather than everything else, 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.960 finding the language and getting to know people and all 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.319 that and making friends, I think was trying to find 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:39.480 out where you fit in in a different culture and 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.160 how much do you try to adapt to a new 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.720 culture while maintaining your own sense of purpose and who 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:45.040 you are. 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.679 When you first came to shop, where'd you gos sort 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:51.480 of settle down? Timba Toombo queen cle Oh my god, 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:59.760 like especially like fifteen years ago, like more twenty years 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:05.040 ago now, Turmber was like fairly Aussie, Yeah why but 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.679 uh the fuck? Like why too? 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.439 Like we never asked questions because we didn't know much 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:11.920 of Australia. 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:13.200 Someone sent you there, they know. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.320 My dad actually had family in Turmber, and I think 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.360 what happened around that time there was a lot of 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.920 migration through Tomba and there was heaps of work to 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:23.640 be done. I think there was a lot of fieldwork 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:25.840 and heaps of Sytan needs well moved there and Tumba 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.880 back then. So there was actually a big Sitaney community 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.199 back in tumber around that time, from two thousand and 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.400 two thousand and four. Yeah, we actually grew up with 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:34.800 heaps of and these kids around. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.040 It was like a community sort of thing. Yeah, so 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:42.200 what what did you guys leave behind in and not 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.040 so much in Egypt, but what did you leave behind 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.480 Sudan in order before we went to Egypt? Like, was 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.719 it like a civil war? What was going on? Yea, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:49.040 it was. 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.120 I mean Soti as we speak right now, it's still 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.520 going through tension and civil war. Like my grandma's still there, 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.720 and I think it's it's pretty hard for my mom 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.199 at the moment because she wants to see her every time, 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.200 but it's she can't go there. It's not safe to 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.960 go there, and she's getting pretty old. So I think 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.559 the story never really changed between that conflicts, civil wars 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:11.560 and stuff like that that you have back there. So 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.680 that's kind of the way we left and my dad 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:16.680 just relocated us all to Egypt. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.320 May not pardners, but is it a religious what's going on? 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:25.440 What's the World's probably actually a Muslim country in the 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:29.120 north anyway, So in twenty eleven they've got the independence 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:32.880 from from South Souda and obviously and so it wasn't 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:37.280 really about religion. It's all about power between between I 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.040 guess the leaders and the people. That's it's been the 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:40.960 same story for years. 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.600 And is it full on, like as in like you know, yeah, 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:44.520 people getting killed. 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.640 Yeah, it's full on. It's probably not televised as much, 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:49.480 but it's pretty full on. It's been going for years. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.000 I guess it's and I don't know, I'm very much 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.720 about them, but I guess it's not as publicly talked 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:58.640 about because there's no oil there or something like that. 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.360 It's just there's probably no nothing rich there, like if 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.280 if it was Middle East or something like that. Because 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.000 of the oil, et cetera. Everyone's talking about it and 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:08.760 every going to be buttoning and sort of putting the 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.160 two bobs with him, But he's much going on Sudan. 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.760 I mean, prior to this war, did you ever see 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:15.480 it in peaceful? No? 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.560 Actually, sadly no. But when I was at school, I 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.480 think that was probably the most peaceful part of it. 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.920 And you could go back to Sudan. So my my 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.240 family actually went back to down a few times while 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.559 we're at school. But ever since, it's kind of been 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.280 on enough on enough and and I think peaceful it 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:36.439 really depends like it's being kind of corrupt for a while. 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.240 But was it safe enough to go there. Yes, he 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.160 was safe, but still wasn't at the standard that you'd 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.360 probably consider it safe enough. But if you were Sudanese 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.760 and you knew people, you could go there and get away. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.000 But now it's completely unsafe to go. 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:56.400 And do you feel it's Peter Bowl? Does he feel 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:00.760 like he's more Sudanese or more today? 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.160 I mean obviously a combination, but combination, yeah, obviously combination 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.720 of both. And interesting enough, I spent more of my 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.400 life in Australia than I than I. 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:09.880 Did back home. 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.720 But but what made me is is the culture and 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:15.800 the personnel that I got I got back from home. 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.560 So it's almost like bang On in the middle, Like 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.200 my my heritage and my identity comes from being having 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.600 suit and his father and his mother and that's and 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:30.720 that's that's who Peter Bowl is. And then obviously coming 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:34.120 adopting to a new country and and finding sport, finding 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.000 the love for a new country, that's who I am now. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:38.160 So it's definitely both. 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.880 Of them, and from Timbert Withrigenda. 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.480 From Timber, I think we were four years there and 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.400 then we moved to Perth, so all the I O 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.160 was waside. 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.839 Why Perth it's actually beautiful Perth, but like it was 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:51.160 it chasing work feed da. 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:55.559 Yeah, my dad obviously didn't didn't have education and there 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.640 was so much work in Timber, so he kind of 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:58.800 relocated us all to Perth. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.520 And as your dad and and or mom sports sports people. 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.680 No they're not actually, but my dad, my dad, you 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.520 can tell if he ever had the opportunity, you get 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:11.520 pretty far. I think it's it's always about opportunity and 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.120 if he could have done it. I don't think he 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.280 ever had that opportunity to do any sport. But I 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:16.920 remember as a kid we used to race and he'd 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:20.600 beat all of us, like he's his strong. Saudis are 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.360 really strong, powerful, and he. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.720 Described it because I don't know, so describe you know 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:27.320 what it is? Yeah. 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.080 Yeah, So they actually don't look the way I look 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.240 because they're a lot taller. I'm considered pretty short for 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.760 South Sudanese average heart. It's probably six to one now 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.319 six to two, so wow, they're pretty tall. My dad's 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.359 pretty tall, really strong. 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:42.200 Really powerful human inters of physique. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:46.480 Physique, Yeah, really really strong. So growing up I used 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:47.360 to look up to him a lot. 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:48.719 He was just it was just this. 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:52.560 Big guy and athletics, so it was school to see that. 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.400 And then and then my brothers and that's Nordens, my 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.720 mom's side, the Nuba tripe. They're short, like really short, 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.800 so completely different genetics, right, And it was always like, 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.280 who's genetics are you're going to get? And I think 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.320 my brother's actually all got my dad's genetics, and I 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.240 got I think my mom's height, which is kind of 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.200 crazy because I actually consider myself the least athletic. 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:12.640 In the family. 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.920 He took me in terms of looking at in terms 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.320 of physicality, physicality, and also in terms of in terms 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.400 of talent. I remember a few a few stories my 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:26.840 little brother who went to the same school as I 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.160 did back in Perth, and obviously I came to school, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.680 broke all the records and he'd just break him after me. 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.360 And he didn't really train and do anything. So he 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.480 was just naturally, naturally more gifted than I was and 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:37.760 he barely trained. 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:38.880 A different physique. 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.800 Yeah, he's taller and a bit stronger. 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:43.960 Yeah, and then we talk we're talking about just when 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:47.800 you say we're talking about running or you jump. 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:52.680 He broke my high jump record, long jump and running, 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:53.840 So you were doing a lot. 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.440 So when you were at school, yeah, you weren't just 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.080 an eight hundred meter runner or a middle distance runner. 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:00.480 You're more everything. 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.280 Yeah yeah, because again, like coming coming from where we 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:08.000 came from, there wasn't there wasn't much outside of football. 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.200 We played soccer and that's purely what we played. And 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:12.680 you go to school here, there's there's all these sports 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:14.120 that I chucked at you, and you're like, man, I 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:15.800 would I'd love to give it a go. So when 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.440 it was only purely just through athletics, carnivals and whatnot, 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.160 and it's like, yeah, I want to give high jump 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.480 a go. Like I think I jumped at school. I 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.240 jumped one eighty and I could on Frosby flops. It 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:25.920 was a sissy kick. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.560 Yeah, that's the old scissors. This is as opposed to 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.120 the West roll or whatever they call it. 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.840 Yeah, yeah, so I could jump pretty high. 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.120 What'd you say? One one? That's not bad because like 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.200 when you consider the records like two ten or two twenty. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.040 Yeah yeah, so it's it's not that far kick. And 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.680 then my brother broke it and jumped like one eighty 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:46.200 five and he could scissor kick that. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.120 And for those who don't know this is means you 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.760 don't turn on your side. You actually run and jump 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.760 up and one leg goes over and the other leg follows. Yeah, 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.560 like a scissor. Like a scissor. Yeah, yeah, that's mad. 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:03.320 Like that's so old school. Probably stops just kicking twenty 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.760 years ago at the high levels, at the say, Olympic levels, 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.800 et cetera. At every level. I think, because you get 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.200 much mechanically, you can jump much higher if you do 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.200 the other style. But when I was a school, they 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.400 called the western robert as oppose. Yeah, so but I 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:20.760 don't know what you call it. Now you just mentioned 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:22.960 another name. I don't know what it is. But yeah, 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.200 there's just biomechanically a much more efficient way of jumping 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.680 over the high jump. So but one eighty five that's 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.080 pretty high. That's pretty high. 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.440 But if you'd never done long jump before and someone 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:33.800 tells us you get off the bar, I think the 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.680 easiest way he's probably trying to do this is a kick. Wow, 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.800 you don't have that training, so you just try to 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:40.840 get over instead of Frosby. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.040 So when you went to school, when you first time 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.400 on Perth, how were were so? 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.480 How old? I was probably just out of primary so 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.080 I was. I was fourteen fifteen. 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.640 So you're a local school in Perth, which where we're 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:54.480 talking about. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.560 Per I was on the south side, so we grew 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.360 up in Thornleigh the whole time I was in Perth. 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.720 Okay, So there's this kid at the local school. The 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.200 first athletic carnival comes up. At this stage you speak 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:09.840 in English probably perfectly. Yeah, yeah, and they say the 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:13.200 athletic Carnival's coming up, and there wouldn't be many kids 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.760 from Sedan in your school in Perth. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.320 In Perth, actually sure, yeah, yeah, for sure. 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.600 And because I lived over there for a while, it 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.760 was a pretty unusual. So I love Perth. It's pretty 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:27.719 unusual sort of plays relative to the restress and as 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.880 multicultural as a rest a lot of Asian people now, 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.439 but not very multicultural generally speaking, because Asian is very 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.720 close to Perth, or seeing pol was very close to 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.520 Perth and it is quite as short commute. Indonesia is 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.959 quite close to And they see this kid and they 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.520 go in the athletic carnival and did everyone so to say, 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:48.000 what the fuck? Who's this guy? Yeah? Yeah. 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.879 When when we went to Perth, it was actually like 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.240 I can't I didn't like it because we spent his 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.479 four years trying to adapt and make friends, and now 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.119 you've got to move to a different, different state and 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.080 then you find out like it's across the country. So 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.320 it was it was a little bit tough. But I 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.000 wasn't really interested in athletics either. I wasn't doing athletics. 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:10.000 I wasn't interested. 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.840 No, no, no like. And I think that's purely because 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.560