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Speaker 2: It's such a xusition. You're you're just not you and

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Speaker 2: right mindset, it could destroy you. I had no English

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Speaker 2: at all, moving moving to Australia, you find out pretty

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Speaker 2: quickly that you're you're the odd one out and now

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Speaker 2: it was just not my thing. It wasn't until again,

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Speaker 2: I kept losing and coming second. I was pretty competitive.

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Speaker 1: I want to win. It sounds like you're good at

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Speaker 1: every bloody thing, but don't tell me a great swim.

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Speaker 1: It no no bitter bowl. Hey you do a straight

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Speaker 1: talk mane.

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Speaker 2: No, thank you for having me. I've been one thing

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Speaker 2: to come here for. It's pretty cool. Good to be

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Speaker 2: first fall Tell me what Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Actual first name is, Like, it's not Peter. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think that's a great start. My first name is does

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Speaker 2: So in Ira Regardy is my first language. Nugement is

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Speaker 2: a star, and then din is religion. Actually interestingly yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: And and your your religion, your Muslim is religion. And

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Speaker 1: because because what I got confused is how you got

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Speaker 2: They actually called me something completely different. My parents actually

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Speaker 2: never called me Peter or they called me. I'm Tia,

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Speaker 1: Does it mean something?

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's one of my relative's name. So they just

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Speaker 1: And they okay, so so had you have Peter.

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Speaker 2: When I moved here, we kind of just selected a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. My man was like that when he came in Australia.

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Speaker 1: I mean for people who migrate this country from a

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Speaker 2: I was ten years old the first touchdown in Australia.

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Speaker 1: So were you like cognisant the fact that your name

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good question, and it's really hard

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Speaker 1: When you first came to shop, where'd you gos sort

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Speaker 1: It was like a community sort of thing. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: what what did you guys leave behind in and not

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Speaker 1: just have a blitz in the cross country if you

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Speaker 1: know a lot about buying mechanics. Now obviously you know

439
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Speaker 1: a lot about buying mechanics, and and I want to

440
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Speaker 1: go back to if you attended as or the equivalent

441
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Speaker 1: of the West Australian Institute Sport, if I assume there

442
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Speaker 1: is one, or did you go to any of the

443
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Speaker 1: Institute's sports. I want to come back to that in

444
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Speaker 1: a second. But in terms of biomechanics, what do you

445
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Speaker 1: think it is that especially when you're say fifteen year

446
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Speaker 1: old and I don't know if you're the same size

447
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,959
Speaker 1: as fifteen as you right now, whether you're early mature,

448
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 1: and in terms of general stature, what do you think

449
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Speaker 1: it is that makes a good runner for safer distance

450
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Speaker 1: let's call it eight hundred middle distance and beyond.

451
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's definitely. I think that advantage

452
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Speaker 2: we have where I'm naturally pretty light and quick on

453
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Speaker 2: my feet. So if you've got to have that power,

454
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 2: you're going to have that endurance, which I was winning

455
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Speaker 2: cross country at school without any training, so I've had

456
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Speaker 2: that natural endurance and then you just had to biomechanically

457
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,719
Speaker 2: you have to get stronger and have that power, so

458
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 2: and naturally as you grow you get stronger and bigger,

459
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Speaker 2: so like my times are just improving as I continue

460
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Speaker 2: to grow. So there's the strength component which you have

461
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Speaker 2: to have. There's the physique that you kind of have.

462
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Speaker 2: We naturally have that physiquecause being so servents, we're tall,

463
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Speaker 2: I'm quite skinny, but powerful. Yeah, so it makes it

464
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Speaker 2: makes for a great runner because.

465
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Speaker 1: You got your leg and I know when I've watched

466
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Speaker 1: you when you've competed, and you've got long legs, very

467
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Speaker 1: long legs. Yeah, long legs relative to the your torso

468
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Speaker 1: so to speak as opposed to say someone like me,

469
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Speaker 1: I got a long tor so and short legs, so

470
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Speaker 1: I'm obleiss. But but and then you know your the

471
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Speaker 1: powers because comes from the back of your body, like

472
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Speaker 1: your glutes or your posterior chain.

473
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Speaker 2: Yeah, glutes and core and cork. We got strong core.

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Speaker 1: But so would you would you say that that's just natural? Well?

475
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Speaker 1: You was your dad saying to you everyone to listen,

476
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Speaker 1: get do sit ups or something.

477
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Speaker 2: No, my dad, interestingly, as my dad has never told

478
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Speaker 2: me to go to training in in my life, like

479
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Speaker 2: neither has my mom. But I always thought it was natural.

480
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Speaker 2: But then you think about it, like where where we

481
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Speaker 2: came from we we didn't have much, but we can't

482
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Speaker 2: at each other, and every single chance we get we

483
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Speaker 2: were training, like but we it wasn't structured. We were

484
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 2: always out there playing football, running around. That's all we did.

485
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Speaker 2: So so you build strength, right, you're wrestling with your brothers.

486
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Speaker 2: You're doing this and I remember growing up we used

487
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Speaker 2: to do boxing with each other. So you think it's natural,

488
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Speaker 2: but there was. You were just training, but you just

489
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Speaker 2: didn't really think about it.

490
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Speaker 1: And at what stage did someone say to you aka Peter,

491
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Speaker 1: like we've been watching you in school sports and you

492
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Speaker 1: know various carnivals, et cetera, we want you to join

493
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Speaker 1: athletic club.

494
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Speaker 2: When I think it was when I was year ten,

495
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Speaker 2: when I was yet ten, and you have obviously the

496
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Speaker 2: school class country, which are one, and then you had

497
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Speaker 2: the inter school cross country, which gets a little bit

498
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Speaker 2: more serious. Now you've competing against every single school and

499
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Speaker 2: you have kids that are specializing in athletics, and and

500
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Speaker 2: I came second and everyone was shocked. Like I was like,

501
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Speaker 2: it was like whoa, Like you really have a talent

502
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Speaker 2: for this, and I think you should do it outside

503
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Speaker 2: of school. And I kind of like just declined in

504
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Speaker 2: a nice way, and I just said, I don't I

505
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Speaker 2: don't really want to run. It's not it's not my passion. Really, Yeah,

506
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Speaker 2: it was just not my thing. So I think it

507
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Speaker 2: wasn't until year twelve. Again I kept losing and coming second,

508
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Speaker 2: and I was pretty competitive, like growing U would rather

509
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Speaker 2: be super competitive. I was like, why why am I

510
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: always coming second?

511
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Speaker 1: Like I want to win?

512
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Speaker 2: And I took the offer in eleven and I started

513
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Speaker 2: training outside of I started school.

514
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Speaker 1: But was it somebody who who sort of like picked

515
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Speaker 1: you out as great potential like something my teacher?

516
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Speaker 2: Actually, my teacher picked me and she had a conversation

517
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Speaker 2: with me, like I think for two years in a row,

518
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Speaker 2: trying to convince me to do this outside of school.

519
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Speaker 1: And she was persistent, She was very persistent. Yeah, why

520
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Speaker 1: do you think that is the case. Why do you

521
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Speaker 1: think someone like that becomes persistent? Why do you think

522
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Speaker 1: that in our lives we come across somebody who maybe

523
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Speaker 1: doesn't give up on us, but won't give up on us,

524
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Speaker 1: and of course we don't see it as a cad.

525
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Speaker 1: Why did think someone chose you to be someone who

526
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't give up on and keep encouraging him to

527
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Speaker 1: do something.

528
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Speaker 2: I think it comes it comes from from within and

529
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Speaker 2: also comes from from their story, because as I get

530
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Speaker 2: to know my teacher outside of school, and she got

531
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Speaker 2: her father involved, which he meantled me. She used to

532
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Speaker 2: be a great swimmer and her dad never gave up

533
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Speaker 2: on her, and he's so great potential on her. But

534
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Speaker 2: she also thinks so great potential on me as a

535
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Speaker 2: person and someone that she wanted to help. And she

536
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Speaker 2: would ask me every single year and I'd say no.

537
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Speaker 2: But then she realized, maybe maybe it's not because he's

538
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Speaker 2: not passionate, maybe he doesn't know where to go. And

539
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Speaker 2: she got her dad involved, said do you know athletics

540
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Speaker 2: clubs and all this stuff? And as soon as those

541
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Speaker 2: doors opened and all I have to do is rock up,

542
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Speaker 2: I said yes. And I think once she figured that out,

543
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Speaker 2: she's like, maybe maybe it's not about passion. Maybe it's

544
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Speaker 2: not about laziness and all these things people kind of say,

545
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Speaker 2: you've got so much talent, but you don't apply yourself.

546
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's more about opportunity because other people.

547
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Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of books written about this is

548
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Speaker 1: a very famous one called Outlies, written by a go

549
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Speaker 1: called Malcolm Gladwell, and he's talking about intellectually outlies, but

550
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Speaker 1: sort of like just talent outlies. Generally speaking, the same

551
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Speaker 1: would apply. Often outliers don't realize how strong their talent

552
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Speaker 1: is relative to everybody else, and on many occasions a

553
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Speaker 1: lot of the outliers never actually achieve anything. It's only

554
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Speaker 1: rare that you get an outlier, you know, someone like Oppenheimen, etcetera,

555
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Speaker 1: who wants to pursue with their outlier talent. They want

556
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Speaker 1: to pursue something very important and end. In his case,

557
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Speaker 1: he did something fairly important for very important relative to

558
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Speaker 1: the rest of the world. You wonder why, I of

559
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: wonder why someone like you who is an outlier doesn't

560
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Speaker 1: necessarily want to do it. Not lazy, just can't see

561
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Speaker 1: the points in it. But why am I doing that?

562
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Speaker 1: I often wonder what it is the thing it is

563
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Speaker 1: that actually made him change their mind on a particular time.

564
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Speaker 1: So stuff, and yeah, I'm going to do this. I'm

565
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Speaker 1: going to have a crack at this. I'm going to

566
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Speaker 1: pursue my talent, not pursue a career, not pursue an outcome,

567
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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna pursue my talent. What do you think

568
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Speaker 1: it was that got you to make the call because

569
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Speaker 1: she was consistent. She kept asking, but what was it

570
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Speaker 1: that clicked in your mind and said, Peter, come on,

571
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Speaker 1: let's give this a crack.

572
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Speaker 2: I actually think it's the way you see the world

573
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Speaker 2: and a different perspective you get to see the world.

574
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Speaker 2: For me personally, was that I had I saw the

575
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Speaker 2: world in different scales, obviously in such a small scale,

576
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Speaker 2: and then when you get to athletics you get to

577
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Speaker 2: see see so much.

578
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Speaker 1: Of the world.

579
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Speaker 2: And I was pretty talented pretty early, so like as

580
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Speaker 2: soon as I committed to running that first year, I

581
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: was like, I was like in Sydney. So I was like, wow,

582
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: Like you get to travel for free, Like that's pretty cool.

583
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Speaker 1: Right with the athletics squad he came over.

584
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when I came over, like because I came to

585
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Speaker 2: Turmba in Perth and that was it. I never saw

586
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Speaker 2: any the rest of Australia. I was like, oh, man,

587
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: sport can be your passport. So you get to see

588
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: the world in a different sense. And then and then

589
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: you're seeing like and then on top of that, you're

590
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 2: seeing like you're learning about different athletes and what they're doing,

591
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: how they apply themselves and and then that drive and

592
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 2: then the second is I think my drive is like

593
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Speaker 2: I want to be the best and and I will

594
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Speaker 2: not stop until I get there. I was second, I

595
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: want to be first, and then I get first. And

596
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: then you find out like oh you just first at

597
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 2: the school, like there's there's like people in Queensland, there's

598
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Speaker 2: people in these up wells and there's a title to

599
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: be one, and then it's like the fastest Australian Junior

600
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: and it's like, well, I want to get there. And

601
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: then once you set yourself that goal, you kind of

602
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: try anything to get there and you just you just

603
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: want to get to that top.

604
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Speaker 1: Because I often think of her self, is it people

605
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: say I'm competitive and therefore I want to win? Or

606
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: is it is it something sort of greater than that?

607
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: Is it like I want to travel Australia and if

608
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: this is why I can, Like I know a lot

609
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: of boxers do this, you know they're only way out

610
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: and Philly players a lot of times the only way

611
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: out of the shit life that I might be presented with.

612
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying your life with a ship life,

613
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: but the excitement life, the excitement of life that you

614
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: may not be getting presented with living at home with

615
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Speaker 1: your family. The things that look exciting, especially to a

616
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Speaker 1: young person. The only way I'm going to get to

617
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: taste that stuff is to compete and win, because a

618
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: lot of people I'm competitive and therefore I want to win. Yeah,

619
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: but I see lots of other reasons why people even

620
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: at a young as a young person, we can recognize

621
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Speaker 1: that I'm not going to get to do what everyone

622
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: else is doing unless I take this risk and try

623
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: harder and train harder, and a lot of times that's

624
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: our greatest sportsman in this country. Very rarely have come

625
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: from the really expensive schools where families are really wealthy.

626
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: Particularly if I look at the boxing, boxing grades, et cetera.

627
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: In our football grades. I don't know a lot about athletics,

628
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: but our athletic grades, but swimming rates as well. So

629
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: we slightly different because your parents have to have money

630
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: to be able to push through the program. But nonetheless

631
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: it's about improving your life. How much of this you know,

632
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: Like I'm seeing myself on the improvement curve. I've come

633
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: from Sudan. I went out of there. I got out

634
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: of there. That was a lot of drama there having

635
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: in Egypt and that was pretty good but better, better

636
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: than Sudan, but not as good as we went to

637
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: the moment torn but too was pretty good. Now I'm

638
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: in Perth perse pretty good, but maying there's a lot

639
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: more good stuff out there. Yeah, I want to keep

640
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: pushing on the improvement curve. How much that is about

641
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: is put of balls?

642
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: I actually I think it's about eighty percent. Yeah, because

643
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: I'm I always struggled with you know, when you're doing

644
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: something for so long years and you get to meet

645
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: people that are that do it out of pure passion,

646
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: I always I was always kind of jealous of that.

647
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: I've seen people that are so passionate about about athletics,

648
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: about running, and I wasn't really a student of running.

649
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: I don't even know who I was running against in

650
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: my first Olympic Games. So I was just there because

651
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: I wanted to be in that improvement improvement curve. I

652
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: wanted to represent now like you see, like I became

653
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: a strange citizen in two thousand and two thousand and

654
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: six around September, I was like, man, like I became

655
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: a strange citizen now, like I'm running for the country.

656
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: I'm now representing so many people. And then and then

657
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: you see like the world kind of get behind you,

658
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: Like Australia gets behind you, and then you see the

659
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: whole the migrants get behind You're not even just the

660
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: South Sudanese, they kind of just get behind you. And

661
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: now like you stand for something for these people, and

662
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: it's like that, that's like eighty percent and you still

663
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: have to enjoy.

664
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: And I still do enjoy it.

665
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: I don't hate it, but there's no way I'm as

666
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: passionate as anyone else around there because I could tell

667
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: you now like I'd barely watch I don't watch much athletics.

668
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: The first Olympics, I didn't know who I was running against.

669
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't until like two years ago that I started

670
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: looking at my appoints because and mainly because someone told

671
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: me that's how you improve. You gotta you gotta study

672
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: your points, You've gotta be a student of the sport.

673
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: You gotta know splits, you gotta know time. And that's

674
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: when I started looking into it. I've been to three

675
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: Olympics and after my events, barely going to any athletics

676
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: to watch. I've definitely gone to basketball every time I

677
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: had a chance to go watch that.

678
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: Because that's your love. Yeah, that's your passion. That's your passion,

679
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: and that's what you love. It doesn't, but it doesn't

680
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: mean you don't apply the same out of effort to

681
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: the thing. Your job. Your job is the eight hundred.

682
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: By the way, did you do it? Do any other

683
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: events apart from the eight hundred? Have you done it?

684
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: Not in the limits but outside Olympics? Was another event

685
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: that was your favorite?

686
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: No, it's just kind of eight hundred.

687
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: It was because that's a tough run, by the way,

688
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: But eight hundred? Why that is it? Because that you

689
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: felt felt that's what you're best at? Yeah?

690
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: I just felt I was too lazy to do the

691
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: training for anything longer. I thought I would be, honestly,

692
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: I think probably naturally better, maybe a more fifteen hundred,

693
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: a little bit longer, because I came from winning cross

694
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: country pretty easily, naturally, But I just didn't want to

695
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: do that training and running so much.

696
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: The difference between eight hundred training and fifteen hundred training,

697
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: it's more COMMONI so you's got to get more on

698
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: your legs.

699
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: You's got to get more on your legs, and I

700
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: wasn't interested in doing that. I was more interested in

701
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: just staying explosive, powerful, because I was still playing basket

702
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 2: on the side. I wanted to keep playing basketball. If

703
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: you're running fifteen and longer, you're running like eighty k's

704
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: or more a week. Not really, Yeah, I didn't want to.

705
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: I wasn't interested in running anything more than forty fifty

706
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: k's a week. That's a lot, too, But that's a lot,

707
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: but for a runner, it's not that much for a

708
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: distance runner.

709
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. And can I ask you, like,

710
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: I know you're Muslim by faith, and you still live

711
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: a faithful life today. We try my best, Yeah, you do.

712
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: I guess that. I mean everyone try best and then,

713
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: which basically means we're not perfect at it, but we're

714
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: we have the structure to try to live it that way.

715
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: How much of the Muslim religion dictates or determines that

716
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: we must take advantage of what God has given us

717
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: in terms of talent? In other words, And I don't

718
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: know a lot about the Muslim religion, but and therefore

719
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm asking you, is it considered disrespectful to God not

720
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: to take advantage of the skill you've got.

721
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if it's if it's so

722
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: much disrespectful, I think you're you're on this earth on

723
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: a learning curve, right, You you make mistakes and you

724
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: just can't learn from them. But but if you have

725
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: a gift, it is considered. You use it and you

726
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: don't just use it for yourself. You use it to

727
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: better your life and better the people around you. Right,

728
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: you got to give, you got to forgive and and

729
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: all that stuff. So I think it's it's in your

730
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: duty to use your.

731
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: Gift, and that's the way point.

732
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: Is a duty, Yeah, to use your gifts and talents.

733
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: Yes, cly So, does that drive you or did that

734
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: drive you during that period?

735
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: It definitely definitely drove me a lot because I had

736
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: this that I knew I could not just change my life,

737
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: but change everyone around me. So I think that definitely

738
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: made me wanted to do it a little bit more,

739
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: and it made it a little bit different to having

740
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: having faith on your side and having family and having

741
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 2: like strong values. Actually made the sport more enjoyable because

742
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: how so, because because it's like you had less pressure.

743
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: You're like, this is a gift and I'm going to

744
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: do the best I can. But the most important thing

745
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: is is your faith and your family and your values.

746
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: Outside of that. So you had a full back position.

747
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: You always had a full back position, right, So like

748
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 2: those are as strong, those what you need to strengthen,

749
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: and the sport will strengthen self. But you've got to

750
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: keep you in the training, right. But you can't. You

751
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: almost can't do sports without strengthening that. It's especially especially

752
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 2: if you're.

753
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: Tired in the middle.

754
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: You've got to like be a non believer and to

755
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: try to strengthen that. But if you're a believer, you're

756
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: always kind of conflicted in the middle, so you've got

757
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: to you've got to work on them both.

758
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: So because you know, see some young Muslim not so

759
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: much young anymore, but something like Sunny but Williams who

760
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: is quite open about his faith, and also a lot

761
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: of the Islander boys who are quite open about their

762
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: Christian faith in terms of where it fits into in

763
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: terms of league, because that's more the area I'm interested

764
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: in my own personal life. But the way they openly

765
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: display it and they openly lean into it in order

766
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: to help them do what do what they're about to do,

767
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: and in fact, actually to some extent, and I saw

768
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: it during the paras Olympics obviously just finished, but especially

769
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: in the athletic field, I saw a few people sort

770
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: of look up to Allah and do the sign that

771
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: they do prior to their event. Like, I don't know

772
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: how strictly religious you are, but what is it that

773
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: people are asking for when they do it or what

774
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: are they giving when they look up and or think

775
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: before a race? In relation? In relations just sort of

776
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: the Islamic faith, like you know, the Muslim faith. What

777
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: is it they're saying or thinking about? Yeah? Are they

778
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: offering it to God? Yeah? I think different.

779
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: Different people have obviously different but but for me personally,

780
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: I do pray and I just pray to be able

781
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: to do the best stuff prepared for. So and someone said,

782
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: do you do you pray that you you do better

783
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: than your opponents? I said, I said, no, Like you,

784
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: you just pray for safe journey and you pray that

785
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: you can do the best, the best that you're prepared for.

786
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: And that's and that's it, and you and you leave

787
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: the rest up to you lift the rest up to

788
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: a lie, right, you just do the best you can.

789
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: Because that's interesting, you should say that the best you

790
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: prepared for, which then takes you down to the pre

791
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: ration period. Yeah, if you don't do well, you can

792
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: just sort of say, well, maybe I didn't prepare well enough,

793
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: and then you can look at all the reasons why

794
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: I didn't prepare well enough and for the next period's

795
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: the next race period is coming up with six months

796
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: is accountable as well, totally because it's up to you.

797
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: It's up to you God obviously, God obviously knows knows

798
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: what you want. But I don't think you're just given it.

799
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: You still have to work for it, so do you do?

800
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: You have to practice in your faith gratitude for what

801
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: you've been given.

802
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gratitude is a big one and it keeps you

803
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: kind at peace. And that's honestly what I pray for

804
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: if if I want to race, because like, you become

805
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: a dangerous appointment when you're just at peace, you're calm

806
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: and chilled and and that's all you ask for and

807
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: then the rest is up to you to execute a race. Right.

808
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: That's interesting. You become a dangerous opponent in that you're

809
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: not putting too much pressure on you know, your biochemics, chemistry,

810
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: that that's your you know, your quartersole and your adrenaline

811
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, you know, because I do

812
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about nervousness before a race,

813
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: that adrenale for fatigue. Maybe you could take me through that.

814
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll take an audience through that I've experienced,

815
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: but like, what does it mean? So I want to

816
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: know how you control your state of mind and have

817
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: you had some really crazy moments where your heart's pumping

818
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: so hard? You know? And by the way, this happens

819
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: to everybody, especially in the early stages of their career,

820
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: sporting career, that you suffer fatigue because eight hundred legas

821
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: one hundred is explosy, but eight hundred you've got to

822
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: have endurance and you can't be fatigued. You've got to

823
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: slept properly, you can't hopefully no injuries, but you've got

824
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: to be able to keep your pace going, and you've

825
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: got to be able to have that burst of energy

826
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: at a later part of the race, so you can't

827
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: be burned out early early on. As this whole thought

828
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: process and strategy going into the race, and the if

829
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden the strategy gets stuffed up for

830
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: some reason, you know, you've got to get your head

831
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: around it. Somehow, maybe you just take me through the

832
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: way you understand your own biochemistry in terms of being

833
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: one hundred percent ready set for your best performance in

834
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: an eight hundred. So what are you trying to achieve

835
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: the night before? Perhaps nutrition, perhaps a week before, you know,

836
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: what's your little process and other any superstitions sitting there.

837
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that is a really interesting question, And I

838
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: think it's a huge question because I think all that

839
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: stuff matters, like the preparation beforehand, the night before, the

840
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: fuel you eat, all those kind of matter, And I

841
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: think the matter because they'll keep you in a peaceful mindset.

842
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: You don't want to rock up to the start line

843
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: and saying I wish I would have prepared better, Like

844
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: that's already doubt. And when you have doubt, it's tough

845
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: to compete without. You don't want to rock up thinking

846
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: I've got a niggle and I'm a little bit injured.

847
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: That's another thing in your mind. You want to remove

848
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: as much thing out of your head to kind of

849
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: stay present. Like the best races I've had is being present.

850
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: Like you spoke before about, obviously your strategy can go

851
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: out the way. The eight hundred is one of the

852
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: most brutal races to have a strategy for, because in

853
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: that first two hundred you're all in different lanes and

854
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: then your crossover, so your strategy might be I want

855
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: to be first across that line, and then you end

856
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: up being at the back. What do I do now?

857
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 2: And you have to prepare for those in training.

858
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: You have to.

859
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: And the best race I've had is just being present

860
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 2: and your body and your muscle memory just knows when

861
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: to make those moves. Because if you think, if you're

862
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 2: trying to think about should I make that move, someone's

863
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: already made it and you're too late. Like there's no

864
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: time for error, there's no time for thinking. It's like

865
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: just muscle memory making those moves. And a few races

866
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: that I've raced really well and I was like going

867
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: through first lap, going through second lap and there's a

868
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: gap open.

869
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it. I just moved.

870
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: And a race that I was thinking about should I

871
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: take that gap? By the time I decided, someone's already

872
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: taken it and you're kind of set up the back.

873
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 2: So you've got to be apps litely present, and to

874
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: be present, you've got to be calm, and there's things

875
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: you kind of do and apply, like before you've a race.

876
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: I'll do my breathing, I do my prayers whatever, just

877
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 2: to try to get myself in that calm state. And

878
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: you rock up to the stadium with like im off games.

879
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: I rock up the stadium. I think it was like

880
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 2: like solve that crowd, and and you don't really heat

881
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: a crowd. You're just you're just present.

882
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: Because you're so far within your own mind.

883
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: And when when I have no destruction and think about

884
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: anything else, I know it's going to be a good race.

885
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: First as if I'm thinking about like injury, thinking about

886
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: the next opponent, think about that.

887
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: You know it's going to be a difficult race. So

888
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: are there's some things you rule out? Then during let's

889
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: say you're getting ready for the Corm Games and or

890
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: any other equivalent, do you sort of say, okay for

891
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: the next six six months before I don't know what

892
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: the period is for prep. I mean, obviously it's it's

893
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 1: a long prepay it's years. But the last six months

894
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: before you you you compete or race, do you sort

895
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: of say rule out girlfriend. I don't know your girlfriend, boyfriend,

896
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: whatever it happens to be. But let's say it's a girlfriend,

897
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: real our relationships one because you know, like and I'm

898
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: looking for like strict rules. I rule out late night,

899
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: so really out hanging out with my mates. So rerul

900
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: out blah blah. These things you cannot do because they're

901
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: distractions and or things that could change your peace of mind.

902
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: Give you that little thing that pisces you off, that

903
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: sort of will you know, because in your case, we're

904
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: talking about points of a second. You know, tenth of

905
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: a second is a you know that far at the

906
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: speed you guys are running. So do you like have

907
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: a mindset of structure that you stick to, like a

908
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: game plan?

909
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And part of that is actually ruling out training

910
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: hard really yeah, because you don't want to rock up

911
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: to a start line fatigued and too tired.

912
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: So you want to be pe king.

913
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: And that's the hardest one because you always want to

914
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: push at.

915
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: Training because I need more, I need more.

916
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: But the reality is you're not gonna you're not gonna

917
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: get any fitter in a week.

918
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: But but what you.

919
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: Can get in a week is get injured, right, You're

920
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: not going to get any better. So so ruling out

921
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: hard training is probably one of the most important thing

922
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: because because an athlete at our level, Like if you're like,

923
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: of course you're only human, and you still face distractions

924
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: and you face all this stuff, but you've you've kind

925
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: of worked out a system where where you work that

926
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: stuff out. It's it's like you don't get there by fluke.

927
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: Like you've ruled out distractions, You've ruled out like late

928
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: nights before a race and all that stuff. Like if

929
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: you still have to rule that out, you've got a

930
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: long way to go at that at that high level.

931
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: You've got to you've got to be able.

932
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: It's to do with training, I think most importantly training, sleep,

933
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: recovery so important, so important. You've got to get the physio.

934
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: Some of these things are like just time, right, they're boring,

935
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 2: like why why do I want to go to physiog

936
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: get a massage? Why do I need to stretch? Like

937
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: why do I have to sleep early? And all those things?

938
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 2: But you've got to do these things and and.

939
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: So what period would you be doing that for us?

940
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: Because it because it can get a bit I'd imagine

941
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: it can't get a bit boring.

942
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 2: So yeah, and and for me, for me, it's got

943
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: to be like I know I've got a race in

944
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 2: about about six or two months or something like that,

945
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: I'll have a training camp and that's where everything is

946
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: ruled out. And training camp you go away. So we

947
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: usually go up. Sometimes I'll go up to Perisher in

948
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: I think New South Wales and and there naturally rules

949
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: out all distractions, like there's nothing to do in Parish

950
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: and I then kind of run and be a piece

951
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: of yourself. So you rule out through training camps is

952
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: a great way to do it. Like you set your

953
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: stuff up for a training camp for three weeks and

954
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: you're there just purely training, getting the right food, and

955
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 2: that's all you're doing is running. I think it's harder

956
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: to rule out when you're when you're back home because

957
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: now you've got friends, family, you've got everything. So instead

958
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 2: of avoiding distructions, you just move away from it.

959
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: So when you're saying you're you move away from distractions,

960
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: would you do you take you know, like iPads and

961
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: start do you get sort of stuck in things like

962
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: YouTube or whatever? I mean, yeah, what what do you

963
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: do to you Or you're meditating, I don't.

964
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 2: Know what's gonna it's whatever you're passionate about. Because majority

965
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 2: of ice training is recovery right, You've got to recover enough,

966
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: which means you have time. You have so much time,

967
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: and you know you don't want to get on the

968
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: other side of underperforming, which which is boredom bottom can

969
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: also lead to underforming. So you don't want to be

970
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: too bored. So Number one, you've got to have the

971
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: right the right group of training group that surround you,

972
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: that that you kind of enjoy being around, because you

973
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: don't want to be in your head the whole time.

974
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: That's not helpful.

975
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, you take your iPad, you take your books,

976
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 2: you have some friends. Some of the best training camps

977
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: I've had is going going over season, just going a

978
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: few friends and and just running with them or Perth.

979
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: I'd get some of my brothers and some of the

980
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: people I grew up with to.

981
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: Come and do training with me.

982
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: They're not professional athletes, they're not even runners, but they

983
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: will come. The beauty of it was just being amongst people.

984
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: Because if you're doing a law by yourself, it gets

985
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: really hard. So you're not really trying to rule out

986
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: everything because you get too bored. You've got to be

987
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 2: able to like leading up to a championship, You've got

988
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: to be able to make sure everything's the same. You

989
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: don't want to change too many things. You don't want

990
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: to completely rule out everyone. You know, you just end

991
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: up stressing yourself. So I try to stay pretty pretty

992
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: calm and pretty normal, but obviously like less of everything,

993
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,959
Speaker 2: less of training, less of socializing, less of going out,

994
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: more of recovery, more of sleep, more of eating good

995
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 2: and all that stuff.

996
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: It sounds pretty intense though, in intense and is sort

997
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: of reverse way, and in that the it's everything on

998
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: the edges doesn't exist. You're just sort of keeping everything

999
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: within a nice range pretty much, which that's sort of

1000
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 1: intensient self, because you know, human beings by nature wanted

1001
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: to go to the edge. You pushed me on, and

1002
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: let's do this little bit extra training or let's do

1003
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: something bit crazy whatever, specially when you're young man. You know,

1004
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: like it's pretty natural, but keeping it all in a

1005
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: in a like a contained space in itself is quite intense.

1006
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: I would have thought, Yeah, I mean, like, and do

1007
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: you ever get to the point where you say, why

1008
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: am I doing this? Yeah? Yea, heaps the time? And

1009
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: what do you do then?

1010
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: Like, through different years you kind of go through it

1011
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: like I got to the edge through training, and I

1012
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 2: got injured before before the two eighteen Coming Off Games,

1013
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: which is the one I was looking forward to the

1014
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: most being in Australia. So I pushed myself to the

1015
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: edge through training too hard. Then so after that I've

1016
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: learned like you've got to you've got to train smart,

1017
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: you've got to be wise, and you've got to not

1018
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: push too hard sometimes.

1019
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: Right, what does it mean you end up getting an

1020
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: overuse injury? Overuse injury, So how to stress fracture? Yeah? Yeah,

1021
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: so overuse just repetition, repetition, repetition. Yeah.

1022
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: So I pushed myself through that edge. And then other

1023
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: times I went to training camps with with just purely runners.

1024
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: Remember I'm not really that interested in in the running itself.

1025
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: I'm I'm kind of interested in the training, yeah, and

1026
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 2: developing myself. Right, So going purely with like passionate runners

1027
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 2: and then you just you just mentally train yourself and

1028
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: no matter how hard I'm training, my performance going down

1029
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 2: like that's that's not where I'm blong. That's too intense

1030
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: for me. So it's all about you finding finding finding

1031
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 2: your place, right. My place is not to go out

1032
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: to go on to a training camp with a bunch

1033
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: of runners and all we're talking about is running and

1034
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: catching up after after running. It was like, No, my

1035
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: place is Loto Camp with good people that I can

1036
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: talk outside with and that has nothing to do with running.

1037
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: It's like, that's my place. We can still train, but

1038
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 2: we leave it all as soon as we leave that track.

1039
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: Well, because when I I just want to change slightly

1040
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: changed place. Part of the punt pun intended doube when

1041
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: they I just like your maybe your opinion on this

1042
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: or your commentary on this, but and it's sort of

1043
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: a diametrically opposed to the person you just presented to me,

1044
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 1: being yourself that is. And obviously they are others similar

1045
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: to you. But if you look at the Jamaicans and

1046
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 1: the USA, particularly the one hundred million of the glamour events,

1047
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: like one hundred million to hundred events, and you see

1048
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: if I could just reflect on the women's events. First,

1049
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: they've got the massive eyelashes, they've got things going on

1050
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: with their hair and ear rings, and the fingernails are huge,

1051
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: massively long, and they're playing to the camera big time,

1052
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: barely big time. It's nearly like entertainment. And then the

1053
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: guys are the same but in a different format. But

1054
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: there's the same sort of deal, you know, And they

1055
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: look to me. That looks to me if that was

1056
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: me in their shoes, that would be a massive distraction

1057
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: for me, Like that be hard for me to concentrate

1058
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: on what it is I'm about to do, particularly you know,

1059
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: because it's not just on the night of the event,

1060
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: particularly in the last Olympics. They're doing this all the time.

1061
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: In fact, they've made Netflix to move a series of them. Yeah,

1062
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, it's nearly like they're marketing

1063
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: themselves as individuals because they've got to make money in

1064
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: the future. It's one where they make money. They get

1065
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: sponsorships on sort of stuff. I get it, But I

1066
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: thought to myself, it would be very difficult if you're

1067
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: in your athletic world to be that person, especially like

1068
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: one minute before the race, you're pitching up in front

1069
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: of the crowd, and you're during the crowd up, etc.

1070
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: But you're presenting a different type of person to me,

1071
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: What do you think about that type of I don't

1072
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 1: want to call it behavior, but that type of those

1073
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: types of characteristics relative to say, the way you present.

1074
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: I mean I've got a good story. I think it

1075
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: was my first Olympics I was in. I was in Rio,

1076
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 2: and like, as I said, I didn't really know much.

1077
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: And I went to a warm up track and you

1078
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: just you get to see every single person. And the

1079
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: beauty of athletics is you're seeing every different culture in it.

1080
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: And I was there trying to warm up and it

1081
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 2: was actually quite distracting because I was trying to see

1082
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: every single person. I saw the Kenyans and the East Africans.

1083
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: They were just like really shy. They're like like, look

1084
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 2: really nervous. I was like, man, like these guys are

1085
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: gonna underperform.

1086
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: They just look too shy.

1087
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: And then I looked on the other side and the

1088
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: Americans and Jamaicans and Bolt Funny was there. They had

1089
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: music blasting and they were just having the best time.

1090
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: I was like, these guys are gonna clean up the

1091
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: metal tally. But because they were relaxed, they just looked

1092
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: so relaxed and so confident. They're like, we're gonna win.

1093
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: They had that show and they were in charge of everything.

1094
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: But it was really interesting that at the end of

1095
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 2: the Olympics, like the same East Africans that were shy,

1096
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: they collected, they cleaned up the medals, and you just

1097
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: realize it was just a personality thing, and Bolt and

1098
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: stuff still collected metals. It wasn't it wasn't about their behaviors.

1099
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 2: It wasn't about that. It was it was truly about

1100
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: them being who they are, and that's who they are.

1101
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: Like they can be comfortable in their own shoes and

1102
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: do that stuff and it elevates them. But if you

1103
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 2: switch that around and you try to get a Kenyon

1104
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: to do what the Americans and the Jamaicans were doing,

1105
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: I think we'll create too much stress and it won't

1106
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: be good for their performance.

1107
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: So in short, it's it's definitely what.

1108
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: Your personality is and if and if you're putting it up,

1109
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: it's pretty hard. I think, like Noah Laws, that's who

1110
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: he is. Is confident, he loves the crowd. He gets

1111
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: something out of it. You're saying boths the same, he

1112
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: gets something out of it. But I don't think I

1113
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: could go do that. It's just it's just not my personality.

1114
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: And then and then also create too much stress. And

1115
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: then again creating stress, you're not really at peace, you're

1116
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: not present during the race, and it's just gonna underperform.

1117
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: Because you did say about being in your occasionally it's

1118
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: being at peace and being present in the moment of

1119
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: doing it and without distraction. Then I look at No

1120
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: like he's he's it doesn't look like he's a peace

1121
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: to me, Like then it looks like he's completely distracted. Yeah,

1122
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 1: it goes and does you know, you know, really braceive

1123
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: world record in that.

1124
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 2: And he wins when everyone's betting against them. Yeah, at

1125
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: the highest level.

1126
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, but but that comforts him. Did you get

1127
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: to meet these dudes? Yeah, yeah, you get to meet them.

1128
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: What are they like outside of the camera.

1129
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: Away from the camera, they're pretty They're pretty normal, but

1130
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 2: like their personality is not much different. That's that's who

1131
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 2: they are. They're lowed, they're confident. I think it's the

1132
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: whole culture thing. And I wouldn't say, for example, I

1133
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't say it's Australian culture. You don't see that. You

1134
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: don't see that. You don't see like like we obviously

1135
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: clean up in the swimming pool, but you don't see

1136
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: people doing all of that. But America, like I've watched

1137
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 2: American sports for a very long time. That's that's their culture.

1138
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: I know, I've got a few Jamaican friends. That's their culture.

1139
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 2: They just love the hype. They're created, they're believe in it.

1140
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: While I think in our sense, in our culture, like

1141
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: even versus with Australian culture, like yes, we create the hype,

1142
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: you believe in it, but you kind of still stay

1143
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: focused and you just just created and it has nothing

1144
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: to do with you. It's just your job to get

1145
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: in the pool and and swim. It's funny like, wasn't

1146
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: create the hype and you don't believe in it versus

1147
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: you create the hype and you're believe in it.

1148
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: And well, if you create hope, you got to believe

1149
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, you must, you must otherwise you'll cook

1150
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: it one hundred percent. It's funny you should say because

1151
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: sitting in that chair, yesa was Cody Simpson leader and

1152
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: Cody came in with Andy. There was two women came

1153
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: in with one of whom was his PR person and

1154
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: the other person he he just said to I'll see

1155
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: in a minute of them and mc canned like and

1156
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: like I'm standing like what the hell is a mc

1157
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: cann and but like it was and she was just

1158
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: like because he was she was accompanying him because there

1159
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: are a couple and he was the staff for the day,

1160
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like and she just took

1161
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: the backwards step. And whereas my gut feeling is that

1162
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: was an American you were that was can I sit

1163
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: down here with him sort of thing or whatever, and

1164
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: that you're right, it's probably Australian. Yeah, like it's or

1165
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: it's not Australian to be that way, to be that way,

1166
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: and in Jamaican culture. I'm not man Jamaica, but like

1167
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: just I expect I suspect from what I look at,

1168
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: not necessarily athlete, it's just generally they're pretty, are going

1169
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: having a lot of fun, hanging out, music, dancing, chill

1170
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: and you may be right, and that's like people like Bolt.

1171
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: That's just you don't have to be Who's I in

1172
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: Bolt to have that personality. Probably everyone in Jerbicas like that.

1173
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: That's the deal. I think.

1174
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: The hard thing is if if you are Australian and

1175
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: that's your personality and you try to show it and

1176
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: people are like, well, well that's that's not who we are.

1177
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 2: They do, but that's that's what you need to perform

1178
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 2: the best. And I think that's the hard part because

1179
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: then you know you have the public knda against you.

1180
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: But that's who you are and that's what you need

1181
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 2: to perform, So it should be fine. Like sport, sport

1182
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: is entertainment and that's what you're there for, entertainment. Everyone

1183
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: has a different purpose and different reason to be there, right,

1184
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: Not everyone's the same.

1185
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:55,959
Speaker 1: But if you're.

1186
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: Competing by the rules, you're competing by the rules and

1187
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 2: your personality should show.

1188
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: Do you think Australians looking to you for entertainment or

1189
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: they're looking for you? Do Australians look more not just you,

1190
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: but all our competitors and representatives. Do you think Australians

1191
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: more looking for you to do your best outcome to

1192
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: try hardest. What do you think Australian's expectations are of

1193
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: our athletes?

1194
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: I think the Astralian expectation is go out there and

1195
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 2: give it a go. Yeah, like like give it all

1196
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 2: you can. Yeah, that's that's the expectation. With the US,

1197
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: it's like the expectations are like go out there and win, yeah,

1198
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 2: because they believe they're best at everything. Right, It's like

1199
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 2: go out there and win. It's like Australia like go

1200
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: out there do your best, and both create different comforts.

1201
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: Right when you're going out there doing your best, it's like,

1202
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 2: well you got you don't have that pressure of trying

1203
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 2: to impress and everyone proud and all that stuff. You're

1204
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: just going out there and being you and that's what

1205
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 2: we want from you. Right while America, I think it

1206
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: creates a very competitive world and like they're dominating a

1207
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: lot of sports because like like if you're going to Olympics,

1208
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 2: we want to see metal and it's intense. It's intense,

1209
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 2: but they still get results. Both get results. So it's like,

1210
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 2: it's just where you're at.

1211
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: Did you I just thinking while I was talking to then,

1212
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: the only other person I really met in person and

1213
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: I had a good friendship have a friendship with him

1214
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: was Johnny Stephenson, which was who's a four hundred runner?

1215
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: Four hundred Ye yeah, And Johnny was used to always

1216
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: talk to me about and he actually we got him

1217
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: and I put him put him into the Celebritypprentice one

1218
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: of the series because Jeff Fannick asked me what I

1219
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: do because because did you know that John Stefferson originally

1220
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: was an amateur fighter? No, No, I box up before

1221
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: before he even put a pair of running shoes on

1222
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: his first pair of running shoes, like he's twenty one

1223
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: or something. He had like thirty amateur fights as an

1224
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: amated boxer, and then then he went into the four hundred.

1225
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: It became a feigned runner, went to limits, and he

1226
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: went to the Common Games. I think he won a

1227
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: Comic Games medal in the four.

1228
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: A great example of a person was personality. Some of

1229
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: the Jamaicans he totally he's outgoing, very quick, which one

1230
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: of when we're talking, he's got John Stepf's got that. Yeah,

1231
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: and he's good mates. But Bolt, for example, they're great, great,

1232
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:20,479
Speaker 2: there's sort of similar characteristics and and and another great

1233
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: success story for Australia in terms of you know, I

1234
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: guess for hundred middle distance but middle distance runner, but

1235
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: came out of nowhere, literally came out and over. I

1236
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: think he's he's South African from not not South African,

1237
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: but like southern part of Africa where his family is.

1238
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: You're more north of northern part of Africa. It is

1239
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: more north. Sudan's more north north of Africa. That is

1240
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: that correct.

1241
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 2: Sudan is in the east East Africa, but.

1242
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: It's more to the less less or towards the bottom.

1243
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: You know, by the way, when you say did you

1244
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: know there, you probably don't know because you're much too

1245
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 1: young for it. But forty years ago there was an

1246
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: unbelievably great movie called Khartoum. The movie was called Cartoon.

1247
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: It's a really old black and white movie, old enough

1248
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: to remember, and it was like one of the greatest

1249
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: movies of all time, Like you know, like some really

1250
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: famous actors are in it. I can't Peter O'Toole and

1251
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: those sorts of people like people again you would never

1252
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: heard of. But and Kartoon to me when I saw

1253
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: it when I was a kid. But Cartoon my memory

1254
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: of Cartoon, and the only memory I have of because

1255
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: I've never been there is a very exotic place like

1256
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: and I just I don't know why. I just exotic

1257
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: from the way the film came across. And then when

1258
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: I hear when someone like you tells me a story

1259
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: about how it's been bitten by war for such a

1260
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: long time, it's sort of a little bit of anathemat

1261
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: for me. It's it's nearly like, how can that be?

1262
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: Because Cartoon was such a in my mind, such a

1263
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: romantic sounding place, and the vision of what I saw

1264
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: on the TV in the movie we are talking, Well,

1265
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm sixty eight, so actually it's more than foot years ago.

1266
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: It's sixty years ago. I saw them. It was just

1267
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: a kid, and like sixty years ago there was a

1268
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: movie called Kartoon and it was presented like and it

1269
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: wasn't a movie of the time, it was a movie

1270
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: representing what was happening in the nineteen twenties. So it

1271
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: must have been a pretty cool place at some stage

1272
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: Kartoon Do you know if anything of that? Does you

1273
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: know where a period when cartoon was cartom was considered

1274
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: a safe and a vibrant and exotic place.

1275
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: Me personally, I wouldn't say I have because I left

1276
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: when I was six and I never went back. Versus

1277
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: my family went back when when I was competing and

1278
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,919
Speaker 2: stuff like that, I was too busy to go. And

1279
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: they quite enjoyed it. It was really nice. They had

1280
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: all the family around and people there's like, you know,

1281
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: they just as they have each other, and they have

1282
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 2: family around in music and their that's their culture like

1283
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: music and dancing and and combining everyone around that that

1284
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: to them is all it's all lead and and yeah,

1285
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: when I was at school. I think that time was there,

1286
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: but it wasn't there for long enough unfortunately, and it's

1287
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 2: nothing consistent.

1288
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: It's it's sort of a terrible shame when you think

1289
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: when when when I hear people like you told me

1290
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Speaker 1: that about place like Sudan and or cut too, the

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Speaker 1: being is it the capital, the capital capital of Sudan.

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Speaker 2: Capital of Sudan and Jubbo's the capital of South.

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Speaker 1: So when it comes to mindset and not having distractions,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we have to cover this off. But like

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01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: when they they allegedly took the positive test for you

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Speaker 1: from you, but just take me through how it works.

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Speaker 1: So you have to do yourine test. Just what's the deal,

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01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: what's the process? Yeah, we have to we have to

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Speaker 1: do urine tests and after every event or just the

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01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: random it's random. And they can also come to your

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01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: house and do do random random testing and you select

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01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: an hour.

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01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 2: And my it's generally in the morning because so then

1304
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 2: it's a urine test and it's urineal blood. They can

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01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:04,479
Speaker 2: do both.

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01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: They can ask for blood too.

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01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: They can ask a blood the majority of times is

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01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: urine own blood.

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01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'rein in blood. So and you give an a

1310
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: sample B sampler say something that you give sample, it's

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01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: just the same sample. It's just right. They just put

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Speaker 1: in a different ut B and an A. Yeah yeah yeah,

1313
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: so when I mean, you know, I followed followed it,

1314
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: and it was a bit of a shock to everybody,

1315
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, like what is if you had taken something

1316
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: and that, what is what would be then the net

1317
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: effect of it, like physically in a in a biochemical

1318
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: way or a biological way. What would something like that

1319
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: do for you? Or an eight hundred meters right now?

1320
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: I guess I suppose you get fitter, quicker.

1321
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: But what to do to your blood or whatever something muscle?

1322
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: What to do? It's just what's it supposed to do?

1323
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: Like it is it supposed to make a big have

1324
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: a bigger your lungs B Now, I thing it increases

1325
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: your red blood cells, which makes you more red blood,

1326
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: which carries more oxygen, which is endurance in endurance, more

1327
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: for endurance. Yeah yeah. So and when you how'd you feel? Like,

1328
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: how'd you know about it? Like what happens?

1329
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 2: They come to tell you, Like they come to your

1330
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 2: house and tell.

1331
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: You, so we got this result. Yeah, they physically come

1332
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: to your house. They have physically come to your house.

1333
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then what happens, and then you can kind

1334
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 2: of ask for your B sample yea, and which I did,

1335
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 2: and then you kind of on the waiting process until

1336
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: that B sample comes and which you know, you learn

1337
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 2: a lot when you go through something like that, you

1338
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 2: learn a lot. And then and you learned that like

1339
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 2: at that time, you think you're like doing because the

1340
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: B sample, I mean it's the same sample. It never

1341
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 2: comes different. Yeah, Like why would it come different if

1342
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 2: it's once positive? The other one should be positive.

1343
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: So it's taken on the same day, same day. Yeah,

1344
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: so you still he's still selected.

1345
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 2: At the time, I didn't even know if there was

1346
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: a point because they always come the same, but somehow

1347
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 2: they came different. I was like, well, that's an error

1348
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: on your site.

1349
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: Then yeah, yeah, So why don't they test the B

1350
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: sample straight away? What's the point of Yeah, that's a

1351
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: really good question. Then while they go, oh, should hang

1352
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: on this one has given us an normally we're not

1353
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: going to answer, and we just test the B sample first, Yeah,

1354
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: and then the ones they're different. They should do that.

1355
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Speaker 2: But at that stage I don't think anyone's really trying

1356
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: to do you any fevors.

1357
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: Right, why why? I mean it seems like that.

1358
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 2: But also to catch out I also think because if

1359
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: if the A sample is it's positive, they just think

1360
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: the B sample is going to be positive too because

1361
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: it's the same sample. Yeah, but I also think they

1362
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 2: should test it straight away. Should test it straight away?

1363
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 2: Such a big, big accusation, totally, you should. You should

1364
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Speaker 2: do all the work.

1365
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Speaker 1: The gravity of the accusation is so great, Yeah, that

1366
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Speaker 1: they should before they made the accusation and then they

1367
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: commenced the whole process of the gravity that they should

1368
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: test the BE sample straight away. And hang on, let's

1369
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: just go, let's just talk to Peter B. Because there's

1370
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Speaker 1: normally between the two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think if you had the time to

1372
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Speaker 2: come to my house, you've obviously had the time to

1373
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 2: test to BE sample before coming. Yeah, coming as well,

1374
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 2: like if you're going to come accuse me of something

1375
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 2: like that, and which which is hard, right, I think

1376
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 2: if you're not at the right mindset, it could destroy you.

1377
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 2: So if you're coming to do that, you better be sure.

1378
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 2: Like you there's some things you just can't be incompetent,

1379
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 2: and that's one of them, because you're putting someone else's life.

1380
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Speaker 1: And who was which organization do it is? Who's doing

1381
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: the test I actually don't know who does the testing.

1382
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 2: I think the testings are done by I think Sports

1383
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: Integrity maybe and in the lab and then they're taken

1384
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Speaker 2: out to Germany and whatnot, and that's where the results.

1385
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Speaker 1: It was just before anything that was important for you.

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01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: It was this previ Yeah, it.

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Speaker 2: Was actually pretty important Australia the year that was pretty important.

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01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 2: That is pretty important. I was actually looking forward to

1389
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Speaker 2: go to it.

1390
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: And how close was it to the event.

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Speaker 2: I think it was just two days before before it

1392
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 2: was leaked and publicly was so.

1393
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Speaker 1: But what is the obligation of the testing authority to

1394
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: publish it? It shouldn't have been published. Well then how

1395
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: did you get out?

1396
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 2: No one, no one claims to ever know it was

1397
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 2: leaked somewhere. Do you get a call by a media

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01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 2: Uh no, I actually didn't. I got called by my

1399
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 2: my agent and he said that it's been leaked?

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01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: Is it? In other words, the newspaper as going to print it,

1401
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: or a radio stage or television stage you're going to

1402
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: talk about it? And he printed out so quick? And

1403
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: what was your response?

1404
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 2: How did you feel at that stage, I actually didn't

1405
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: know how to feel right because I just didn't know

1406
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 2: how to feel.

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01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: I was.

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01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 2: I was kind of at home and and like, I

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01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 2: think the first thing I actually thought about it was

1410
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 2: my family. I was like, man, that's that's tough. That's stuff,

1411
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 2: that's stuff for them. Yeah, And because with such education,

1412
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: you know, it's just not you and your own now,

1413
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 2: it's like everyone else's put into question, like your family,

1414
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 2: your character, your coach, your staff, team. So I just

1415
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 2: thought about all those people. I think I was the

1416
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 2: last person I thought about, which I think was tough.

1417
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: I should have thought about myself as well.

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01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: You've got to be a bit selfish. Yeah, I think

1419
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: it becomes reputation. Did you reach out to anybody? Uh?

1420
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I reached out well because I knew. I knew

1421
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: I needed results before I was. I was waiting for

1422
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: the be sample, so I knew. So I actually reached

1423
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,959
Speaker 2: out to I reached out to my older brother, which

1424
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: because I didn't know how to communicate that to my parents, right,

1425
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 2: So I said, if it ever gets leaked, like I

1426
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 2: needed you to explain it to them and that there

1427
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: should be they'll be okay. And then obviously my coach.

1428
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 2: I reached out to my coach, let him know straight away. Um,

1429
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: and and that's it. And my manager like, no one

1430
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 2: else really.

1431
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: So what do you do? Then? Just stay home?

1432
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know, you literally just just stay

1433
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 2: home and you're just waiting.

1434
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: Keep your head down, keep your head down.

1435
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 2: But at that stage I was like, I was like,

1436
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 2: surely they made a mistake.

1437
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: This is crazy.

1438
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 2: And I was still going to go to Australia the

1439
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 2: Year Awards. And then after that, after that leak, it

1440
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 2: was like, now like what do you do?

1441
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: So what does Australian your awards organizations do that so

1442
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: you can't come? No?

1443
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: Actually, you know what, They're actually really good, actually really

1444
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 2: good about it. They said, look, i'm I'm I've got

1445
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 2: a call. And I thought it was pretty it was

1446
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 2: pretty good of them. And they said, look, I like,

1447
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: we know what's going on, and we'd love to still

1448
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 2: have you if you want to come, but just to

1449
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 2: let you know, we've we've had the most media request

1450
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 2: to be here.

1451
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: Be everywhere.

1452
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 2: They'd be everywhere, and you'll end up and that's your

1453
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 2: decision to make. You're just still a night, yeah, and

1454
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 2: you still the night. And I said and that's exactly

1455
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 2: that was My decision was based on that. I said,

1456
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 2: I I did not want to steal that night for

1457
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 2: anyone I'm not coming.

1458
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean for a young man relative, a young man

1459
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 1: at that stage as well. You know, you leave a

1460
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: war torn or a civil war torn Sedan, you go

1461
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 1: to live in Egypt, you end up into warmbar, then

1462
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: you go to Perth and you go through this whole

1463
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: process and you know you're representing your country, get nominated

1464
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: to be Australian the.

1465
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 2: Year, which is pretty cool because you aren't even Australian

1466
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 2: like twenty years.

1467
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: Totally. It's like it's there is magnificent sort of momentum. Yeah,

1468
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: for you and your family and everybody else, your whole community.

1469
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: It's really good energy, right totally, and then you just

1470
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: get whack. Yeah, like you've gone from the pandaluse to

1471
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: the proverbial in minutes minutes. Yeah, how do you pick

1472
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: yourself up?

1473
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 2: Like I think people with people played a big part.

1474
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 2: And as like we spoke before that, the identity out

1475
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 2: of sport is really important and I've always worked on that.

1476
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 2: Like again, your faith plays a big part, and you

1477
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 2: just like you just you just want peace you're like

1478
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 2: you just you just leave the rest to guard. Right,

1479
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 2: you can do all you can do, and at that point,

1480
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 2: there's nothing you could actually do. Yeah, there's nothing you

1481
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 2: could do, Like what was there to do other than

1482
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 2: control your own your own mindset and your your own happiness.

1483
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 2: And that's not what's saying that you don't go through it.

1484
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 2: You go through this rollercoaster of emotions, like you feel

1485
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: like the whole world's against you. You feel betrayed, and

1486
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 2: like that feeling betrayal is is tough because because like

1487
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 2: I've I've done nothing, I've done nothing wrong, like this

1488
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 2: is this is one, it is not fair. Two, I'm

1489
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to run, like that's all I've ever

1490
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 2: tried to do. And and then the worst part is

1491
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 2: is like, well, who's bringing these allegations against you? Like

1492
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 2: then you start to look for the blame and then

1493
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 2: and then you look for the blame and that's and

1494
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 2: that's when you lose probably the most sleep, because you

1495
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 2: can never truly know who it is who leaked it,

1496
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 2: what was the intentions behind it?

1497
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: You just never know and why would they be bothered

1498
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: doing it? Why? Why? Why upset? Like why me? Right?

1499
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: I think that's where you lose the most piece. I

1500
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 2: think that's still where I lose the most speech trying

1501
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 2: to think about it, because you just don't have answers.

1502
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 2: You want answers if if you're done wrong, at least

1503
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 2: give me answers. Right, Yeah, but there's no But there's

1504
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 2: no answers.

1505
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: Do you have suspicions?

1506
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,839
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, I have my suspicions. I think I definitely

1507
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 2: have my suspicions. And but the best thing about it,

1508
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 2: I think the public was actually really good. That was

1509
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 2: pretty cool.

1510
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: Like how did you gauge that?

1511
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 2: I think one from from the love and support you

1512
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 2: get through messages on social media and stuff. Yeah, like

1513
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 2: social media, like you expect you expect, you expect your

1514
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 2: family to be with you, which is which is which

1515
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 2: is great. But then you also you don't expect you

1516
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 2: like when you go through something like that, you think,

1517
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 2: oh man, now they might turn against you, but no

1518
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 2: one really did. Like of course you have those keyboard

1519
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 2: warries and whatnot, but they were always there even when

1520
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 2: I was doing great. It's like, oh, you're not Australian,

1521
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 2: You're not that. So that was always there, Like you

1522
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 2: kin'd of get used to that, but I think it

1523
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 2: would have heard quite a lot if I'm majority of the

1524
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 2: public can't turn against you, but they didn't.

1525
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: And what was the process? Do you have a right

1526
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: of appeal or something? How do you get the B sample?

1527
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: Do you have to get a caught to get him

1528
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: to look at it all? Hasn't? No?

1529
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 2: You just you just select that you wanted you want to,

1530
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 2: I guess retested and you have to pay for all

1531
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 2: that stuff and they're kind of retested for you. And

1532
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 2: and again I think it was leaked. I had a

1533
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,719
Speaker 2: friend that called me and said your B sample was

1534
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 2: it wasn't the same as your A before I was

1535
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 2: notified by the authoritist himself, so it was leaked somewhere

1536
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: else before before I was told first.

1537
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: Whats of level of relief did you feel when the

1538
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: sample it was?

1539
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 2: My manager called me and he had the most relief

1540
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 2: and he was like and he was kind of like

1541
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: it was kind of quiet because I didn't have the

1542
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: same sensits of relief because I was like, man, this

1543
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 2: ship should have never happened, Like like what do you

1544
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 2: want me to celebrate? Like this is this is crazy?

1545
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 2: Like I had to even go through that. I think

1546
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:05,600
Speaker 2: the red leief I kind of had again thinking of

1547
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 2: other people as like, oh, well, like my family was

1548
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: really happy, everything was really happy. But but for me,

1549
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 2: I was like, man, this is this is still crazy

1550
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 2: right like this it doesn't change much, doesn't change the

1551
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 2: accusation doesn't change a lot. So there wasn't much of

1552
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 2: a leief. There was still disappointment and anger for that

1553
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 2: whole period, and I did not feel in a relief.

1554
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:29,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the outcome didn't change what happened. The result

1555
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: did not change what happened to when it happened. And

1556
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: by the way, you can't change that. You can't. So

1557
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: how do you deal with that? I mean, how do

1558
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: you reconcile and you know, get back to where you

1559
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: were talking about very much earlier about being at peace.

1560
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 2: You can definitely go back at peace, but you can't go.

1561
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: Back to where you were before. Do you need to?

1562
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 2: I don't think you need to. It just becomes part

1563
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 2: of your story. Yeah, And the easiest way is accepted

1564
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 2: that it happened and try to move on. But with

1565
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 2: that said, it's pretty hard to accept something like that.

1566
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 2: And I thought I could do it pretty quickly because

1567
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 2: like as an athlete, you build resilience, and you build that,

1568
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 2: but like I build resilience based on like things that

1569
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 2: you you knew would happen, like injury, not making teams,

1570
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 2: things you expect, things you expect like something like that.

1571
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 2: Is it's pretty hard. It's pretty hard to get get through.

1572
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 2: And you realize like it's going to take time, and

1573
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 2: time is only only think that's going to heal it,

1574
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 2: but time and extra work. You've got to see people,

1575
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 2: you've got to talk through it and all that stuff,

1576
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,759
Speaker 2: which I didn't want to do. I had no interest

1577
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 2: in doing it at all.

1578
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: You just sort of take a view. Fuck them all

1579
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 1: the time, yeah all the time. It probably doesn't solve

1580
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: any of that, does it. No, it actually just hurts

1581
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 1: you more. Yeah. Yeah, you've got to sort of talk

1582
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: it through. And at the end of the day, Richard

1583
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: Brandswan told me this, you said, Mark, you said, we'll

1584
01:14:55,479 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: worry about our own brand the people. If one hundred

1585
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: percent of the people know who you are for whatever reason,

1586
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 1: good or bad, and only fifty percent of the people

1587
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: like you, then you've done well. That doesn't matter about

1588
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: the other fifty percent. That's pretty cool. So eventually this,

1589
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred percent of the strains know who

1590
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: Peter Bowl is. If only fifty percent like you and

1591
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: fifty percent don't like you, and usually the ones that

1592
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: don't like you will tell you. The other fifty percent

1593
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: that don't tell you is because they do like you,

1594
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: and they they mostly people don't come out and say

1595
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: I like you. If they don't like it, they'll definitely

1596
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: tell you. That's sort of actually one measure of success

1597
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 1: from his point of view in terms of braining personal braining.

1598
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: Really cool. Yeah, And I'd say that's probably I mean,

1599
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 1: the research my team has done on you, that's sort

1600
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: of where you are. I mean, I don't know, it's

1601
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: fifty future, but there's a lot of people some people

1602
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 1: come and say stuff about you whatever, but there's a

1603
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: lot of people who actually back you, and they back

1604
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: you in and you know, that's that's a pretty good outcome.

1605
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 1: You know, you're only still young. You're thirty years old

1606
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: now and you're thirty yeah, yeah, so like you've lived

1607
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: three lives already. Yeah for thirty year old, and you've

1608
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: got a long way to go too. And one of

1609
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: the things I want I talk to about speaking about

1610
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: that is what most people don't realize is that you

1611
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 1: have at least one university degree. And I don't know

1612
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 1: how the hell you managed to do that and what

1613
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: period of your life did you do This is a

1614
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: degree in project management or construction management.

1615
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 2: Construction, Yeah, but how did you do that?

1616
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: And why do you do that? I don't know.

1617
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 2: I've always been I've always been interested in in like

1618
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 2: being a student, because that's that's what my that's that's

1619
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 2: my parents' aspiration.

1620
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like coming here, it's every ming, everyone, every mingrant,

1621
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: first first generation you you going to go to university,

1622
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: get some some qualification.

1623
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 2: Like you just you just got to work and make

1624
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 2: a better life for yourself. And I'm really interested in

1625
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 2: like real estates and property, right, So I've always been

1626
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 2: into that. My brother was My brother was a builder,

1627
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 2: so and then I was kind of got more interested

1628
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 2: in that because again, like desperations is always to build

1629
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 2: a house for yourself, buy your own house and all

1630
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 2: those things. So I was like, why not study that?

1631
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 2: But then interestingly enough, when when I was studying and

1632
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 2: I worked, when I came to Melbourne and I worked

1633
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 2: for engineering firm for for about a year. It was

1634
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 2: really cool just learning about different projects and what's going on,

1635
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 2: and I de started to take athletics more seriously. I

1636
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 2: actually got more interested in business. And I was like, well,

1637
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 2: like I think I think business is where I think.

1638
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: I might belong. I enjoy that a little bit more.

1639
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 2: I still enjoy property, but not as much as I

1640
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 2: would want to work in the construction space, Like i'd

1641
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 2: do more real estate things like property development and whatnot.

1642
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 2: But outside of that, like I'll enjoy the business. I

1643
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,759
Speaker 2: enjoyed the speaking and going out. So I'm in Sydney.

1644
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 2: I'm in Sydney this week to do to do a conference,

1645
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 2: and I was like, man, I love that, love sharing

1646
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 2: going out, sharing my story and impacting one hundred hundreds

1647
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 2: of people.

1648
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: And do you try to show how your story can

1649
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: actually all the lessons from your story can be of

1650
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: assistance to people in the business world, Like you see

1651
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: you're talking to business people.

1652
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, so you or my stories, I guess

1653
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 2: the most commons like the resilience part of the thing.

1654
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 2: That's that's before their accusations, like that's just one of it,

1655
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 2: like before that, like finding your place and everything kind

1656
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 2: of spoke about here being a good leaders is really

1657
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 2: important because you're putting this position as a leader and

1658
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 2: you never signed up for it when I when I

1659
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 2: I did well in Tokyos, like everyone kind of looking

1660
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 2: up to you for leadership is like.

1661
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: Tokyo's when you were your fourth when I came forth?

1662
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: Is that the fastest eight times you've ever run?

1663
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 2: No, I ran faster?

1664
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: What did you running? Toyo forty four one? See, I

1665
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 1: don't even know it was forty four something. It's forty

1666
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: four to one, I think? Yeah? And what you've run?

1667
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 1: What a second? Quicker? Around one four zero? So so

1668
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: like you know a few tens of a second faster,

1669
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: but that's actually quite a long that's quite a bit

1670
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: of distance at the page you're running. So you and

1671
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: then and then and then from there when you went

1672
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: to Paris. Between Tokyo and Paris you had the drama.

1673
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: Did that affect your preparation?

1674
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 2: Do you think between absolutely? With the whole scandal.

1675
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like.

1676
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,719
Speaker 2: I've already didn't have as much passion as I spoke

1677
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 2: before as everyone else. It was just easier to pull

1678
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 2: away from it completely. It was like this thing that

1679
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 2: brought you so much joy and now is bringing you

1680
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 2: so much pain, Like why am I spending my time here,

1681
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 2: it's just a no brain and like spend less time here.

1682
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 2: So there was lack of training, lack of interest, and

1683
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 2: I just just didn't want to be around there, right

1684
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 2: h And and at that top stage, you can't be

1685
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 2: taking a month off, two weeks off, no matter what

1686
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 2: mental state you're in. Right, It's it's good for your

1687
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 2: mental health, but it's definitely not great for athletics to

1688
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 2: take time off. Yeah, he's going to one is going

1689
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 2: to give. And I just started to work on my

1690
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 2: health more than done my athletics and it just showed

1691
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 2: in Paris. But but I'm grateful that idea that way,

1692
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 2: because I think I think my my mental health was

1693
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 2: more important at that stage.

1694
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 1: And how important is it for you to turn up

1695
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: in Paris? Like and I don't mean that in a

1696
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,879
Speaker 1: bad way, but like, yeah, actually get there and compete

1697
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 1: more for Peter yeah, you know, and also what we

1698
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 1: think of Peter Bowl as Australians as opposed to sort

1699
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 1: of saying look, i know I'm not ready. I'm not

1700
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: going to run a one forty four flat. Yeah, but

1701
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm still going to turn up because you know, you're

1702
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: probably were the quickest noneunless you're still the quickest in

1703
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: Australia anyway in terms of the national at a national level.

1704
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: So you know you're the dude who's going to get

1705
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,560
Speaker 1: has the right to go, but you know you're not

1706
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: going to run the same time because you're just not

1707
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: you don't know, but like they're in terms of probability, logistically,

1708
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: you know it's less likely of being successful and it

1709
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: then it would have been if you hadn't gone through

1710
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: this drama. How important is it for you to actually

1711
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: turn up? It was?

1712
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 2: It was pretty important And I figured out pretty late

1713
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 2: because I think only a month before that, I decided

1714
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 2: like to stop training. I was like, I don't really

1715
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,799
Speaker 2: want to go there totally. I just still want.

1716
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: To be there. Was like stuff like you know, I've.

1717
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 2: Always I've always rocked up into a championship, like training

1718
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 2: the best I could and wanting to be there. It's

1719
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 2: like when you don't want to be there, it's it's

1720
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: not fun.

1721
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1722
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 2: So I think just a month before that, I took

1723
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 2: some time off.

1724
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: I didn't want to really go there.

1725
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 2: I went back, I was actually in America, went back

1726
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 2: home and I said, nah, I'll message my coach and

1727
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 2: manager I said, look, I'm going to make a decision

1728
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 2: whether I want to be there or not, and then

1729
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 2: once you get back home and you work through it,

1730
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 2: it's like maybe it's bigger than that. It's like it's

1731
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 2: like my third Olympics and I've worked pretty hard on that,

1732
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: and I think the idea of not being there and

1733
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 2: after that love it in the future is like, you're

1734
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 2: not a three time Olympian. I was like, oh man,

1735
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 2: I kind of need to be there for myself.

1736
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 1: I think you needed to be there for us too,

1737
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: and I need to be there. Yeah. I think we

1738
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: want you to be there. That supported me, right, Yeah, yeah,

1739
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: I mean I think that Australians who follow you and

1740
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: follow that particular event, I needed to see you there.

1741
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 1: We didn't necessarily expect you. We'd hope you might do

1742
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 1: one forty four flatter or even something less, but I

1743
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: don't think we had that expectation because I think most

1744
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: people that know anthing about sport know that your preparation

1745
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:39,879
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been proper. Yeah, from you know, from Tokyo

1746
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 1: to Paris. Yeah, it's just not possible because of the intervention.

1747
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: But we still wanted to see you as our best

1748
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: runner in that event there, and.

1749
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 2: I've got so many messages it was incredible, like so

1750
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 2: many people were like, we can't wait to watch you

1751
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 2: you compete, and even after I was like, oh, like,

1752
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you gave it your best and keep your

1753
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: head up and all that stuff. So it's like that

1754
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 2: fifty percent that you're talking about. I mean, I think

1755
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 2: some people probably weren't happy that I was there either,

1756
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 2: But but that's fine, Like, I mean, you've you've got

1757
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 2: to kind of you've got to can't accept that.

1758
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: It's also may fuck the begrudges, but I don't want

1759
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: to leave it on that. I actually been getting criticized

1760
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: lady for screening a bit too much, but a few

1761
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 1: people pull me up about it. But and I just say, well,

1762
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: bad fucking luck. That's my podcast. I do what I want,

1763
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: That's why I do it, So I can't say what

1764
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: I want but now. But but I believe that stop them.

1765
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: You know, there will be people who don't won't don't

1766
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: believe in you, and but it's got probably something more

1767
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: to do with them than it's got to do with

1768
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: you and h And I just think it was wonderful

1769
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: that you you did you did go there and you

1770
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 1: did do your best, but your best is only going

1771
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: to be as good as your prep and that takes

1772
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:52,839
Speaker 1: it right back to where we started from in preparation.

1773
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: And you know, but at the same time, you you

1774
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: were prepared to take that risk yourself, because that's a risk. Yeah,

1775
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 1: if you know that you're not going to perform your best, yeah,

1776
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: you still perform.

1777
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 2: It's a massive risk because also, like we spoke about,

1778
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 2: like I've obviously prioritized my mental health, that's a massive

1779
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 2: risk because that can come back down and will at

1780
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 2: the same time.

1781
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: You could And how do you feel after it? So

1782
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 1: now in this post Paris, I mean yeah, you feel like, hey.

1783
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel pretty good. Obviously don't feel good about

1784
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 2: the performance, like absolutely not, Like I'm that's that's not

1785
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 2: the stand that I want to be competing at. What

1786
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 2: I feel good about is like I think working out

1787
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 2: the courage to get to that start line. Yeah, that's

1788
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 2: and that's a complete Like the story is completely shifted,

1789
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 2: the goals completely shifted, divisions completely shifted.

1790
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 1: Like four years ago when.

1791
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 2: I finished fourth, was like the goal is like now

1792
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 2: the race to try and do one better to medal,

1793
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 2: if not try and metal the next Olympics, and through

1794
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 2: the interruption is like, man, let's let's just try to

1795
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 2: get better.

1796
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: That's our expectations to some extent, like and and sometimes

1797
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: we have to say, as in Jewels, I just could

1798
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 1: do my best. And that tastes right back to what

1799
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: you said about Australians. I just want you to out

1800
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: of a crack, just have a crack, do your best.

1801
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 1: But I actually think that is probably the case for

1802
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: most Australians in terms of what they expected from you.

1803
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: They expect you to have a crack, have a crack, right,

1804
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 1: you are our best at that at that event. So

1805
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, like you went and had a crack, you

1806
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 1: did your best. And I think most people and the

1807
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 1: purpose of these having you, for example, on the show today,

1808
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: from my point of view anyway, selfishly is to say

1809
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,640
Speaker 1: to Australians, this is the dude who did have a

1810
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 1: crack and did do his best under the circumstances, which

1811
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: like I didn't really understand all the circumstances. I mean,

1812
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 1: I knew one of the circumstances, but that generally how

1813
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: you how you think, and how you how you roll,

1814
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: and the objective you show like this actually is a Parlia.

1815
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: That out to anyone who might want to listen to this,

1816
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,640
Speaker 1: and they'll be there will be, There'll be two thre

1817
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people will listen to this, and which is

1818
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 1: our normal cadence. So and I think that's important, and

1819
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: that's why I think shows like this are important. And

1820
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 1: that's why it takes a lot of courage for you

1821
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 1: to come on to the show and tell your story

1822
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 1: so close to you know, Paris, it's only three four

1823
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: weeks ago, you know. I think people appreciate that in

1824
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: this country. Maybe America is a bit different. It might be,

1825
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: but there might be harder markers there, you know there

1826
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 1: because as you said earlier, Americans want you to win different. Yeah,

1827
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 1: they're totally different. And then when you sign up for

1828
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: an America, you sign up for that. If you didn't

1829
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 1: sign up in Australia, that's not what we ask you

1830
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 1: to sign up for. And I think Australians just like

1831
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 1: to see someone who can actually roll through the drama.

1832
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 1: And as you said, like that's real resilience, intellectual resilience,

1833
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 1: mental resilience. I think like standing up, standing up on

1834
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 1: the starting blocks would have you called the starting line.

1835
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:55,839
Speaker 1: There must have been a moment. You must have thought yourself,

1836
01:26:56,120 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: here I am, Yeah, you know, before the which lane

1837
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 1: will we win? I was seven, it had to be

1838
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: crossover seven? Is on which seven? Seven? Like the two

1839
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: hundred you have to cross cross in? Yeah, you must

1840
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: been thinking yourself, Wow, what are four years I've had

1841
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 1: since Tokyo. It is like those thoughts go through your mind,

1842
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 1: where you were you at peace in it? At them

1843
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:21,759
Speaker 1: in the moment.

1844
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 2: I was actually at peace in the moment. And again

1845
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 2: I think if I had the right preparation, it would

1846
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 2: have been a great Olympic Games because to be at

1847
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 2: peace on the track is it's always been my goal

1848
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 2: and how compete to the best of my ability and

1849
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 2: without the interruption. Sometimes I've rocked up to the truck

1850
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 2: without having that piece, so it's like, you know the difference, Yeah,

1851
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 2: I know the difference. And it was like, yeah, we're

1852
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 2: healed and we're back, just not under the right circumstances,

1853
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 2: not on the right conditioning, but in the right mindset.

1854
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 1: Do you I think you will leave this part of

1855
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 1: your life with any regrets?

1856
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I think definitely, yes, Yes, I

1857
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:14,799
Speaker 2: think I'll definitely have a lot of regrets in the sport,

1858
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 2: probably not competing as much as are I should have,

1859
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 2: and not taking advantage of the opportunities in the sport

1860
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 2: because but I'd also leave pretty happy of the life

1861
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 2: that I built outside of it, and in the opportunities

1862
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:38,759
Speaker 2: that I've received I received through it, and also also

1863
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 2: the person that I've built through it. That's really important

1864
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 2: and that I could never take any regret from.

1865
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: But to be honest, here, it's for thirty years. It's

1866
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 1: a fabulous story, like actually a wonderful story, And the

1867
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: way you just summarize it, then that's pretty cool. You've

1868
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: got a backstory which in thirty years time, when you're sixty,

1869
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: you'll be you'll think to yourself, Wow, what an opportunity

1870
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: for me to experience all those things. I don't mean,

1871
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, the allegations, but the experience of the allegation

1872
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 1: and being able to deal with it yourself and get

1873
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: through it and still stand at the starting line and

1874
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: the third Olympics and still doing your very best and

1875
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: maintaining your integrity and your family's integrity, and being able

1876
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: to get up and talk about it and accepting what's

1877
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 1: happened and not letting it knock you down. That's an

1878
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 1: amazing story. That's just amazing. And the fact you're sitting

1879
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 1: here so calm and giving us in that same lane,

1880
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: you've kept us in the same lane. No, it's about peace,

1881
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 1: your own peace, your own peace of mind, which most

1882
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,719
Speaker 1: people never achieve it. I'm sixty eight. I'm still chasing

1883
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: peace mind, you know. And people say, oh, you've done

1884
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: all these things for me, but I still don't have

1885
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 1: peace of mind. I'm still chasing it. I'm still trying

1886
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: to achieve it. And here you are, thirty, you can

1887
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: still talk about it at the highest level, by the way,

1888
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:27,879
Speaker 1: Olympic Games, so make congratulations, well done, Thank you,