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Speaker 1: Welcome to turn and o three sixty year League from

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Speaker 1: every angle, brought to you by NIV. Joining me again

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Speaker 1: the Great Gordon Tallers, Let's the Generator, Australian Buzz rock

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Speaker 1: Field and James Hooper and King Cleary strikes again. Three tries,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and nineteen meters, six tackle bus and three

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Speaker 1: try assists hominos signs for the rest of the competition

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Speaker 1: when Cleary is on fire. Gordy and the Panthers yet

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Speaker 1: again are the team to be.

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Speaker 2: Called that game on Triple m. Yesterday the wind Sock

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Speaker 2: was going crazy. We saw Ben Hunt kick out a

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Speaker 2: few times on the full. So it's not a day

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Speaker 2: for your half back so to score three tries, but

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Speaker 2: just his kicking game, he's all round game. Second game back.

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Speaker 2: He was a little bit clunky against the Dolphins, he

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Speaker 2: got the he got the ice to play, but he

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Speaker 2: was outstanding yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I've been saying John's Thurston in the same conversation is

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Speaker 3: clearly for quite a period of time now and yesterday

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Speaker 3: shared it again. The clutch played last week yesterday master class.

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Speaker 3: He's a freak.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no doubt. The final frontier for Nathan is

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Speaker 4: dominating at State of origin level, but at club football level,

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Speaker 4: he's twenty six years of age, he's played in four

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Speaker 4: straight grand finals. If he's fit and depending what happens

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Speaker 4: with James Fisher Harris, but if their rosters relatively fit,

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Speaker 4: browth very difficult to see anybody stopping a four.

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Speaker 1: People on that in Melbourne Storm are four points clear

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Speaker 1: of Penrith, but you have to say that Penwrith a

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Speaker 1: is still clear favorites right to take out this competition.

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Speaker 5: Would you all agree with that? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think the tab have got them as favorites. But

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Speaker 3: my goodness, Melbourne Storm the way they're playing, and I

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Speaker 3: know they probably haven't been quite as impressive at their

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Speaker 3: best but standing football.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, there'll be a side go on a run.

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Speaker 2: We watched it last year with Brisbol. But no doubt

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Speaker 2: Penrith are favorites. There's no doubt how they've got through

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Speaker 2: the origin period. Clear is back now they rest and

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Speaker 2: if they're four wood packs Harman, they're going to be

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Speaker 2: hard to beat.

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Speaker 4: Nathan's key. Nathan's key as long as he remains fit

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Speaker 4: and he's there for all September, then they're the favorites,

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Speaker 4: no question.

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Speaker 5: Agree.

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Speaker 1: Hoops now today Stefano Utai Kaman who notified the West

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Speaker 1: Tigers that he will be leaving the club. Have we

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Speaker 1: got some more information on this, But this is something

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Speaker 1: again we've spoken about quite a bit. We predicted this,

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Speaker 1: We knew that he was going, but still to officially

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Speaker 1: announce it. Big news for him and big news for

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Speaker 1: the Tigers and what's next for Stefana.

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Speaker 3: Well, he walked in training at eight o'clock this morning,

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Speaker 3: banged on Benji Marshall's door before he put his boots

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Speaker 3: on and said mate, I'm going and that was it.

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Speaker 3: Then he addressed the players and he banged on the door. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: well he did. You know. He wanted to tell Benji

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Speaker 3: first how to respect and he joins a long list

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Speaker 3: of players who have walked out on that club and

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Speaker 3: it's a concern for them. It's not a money decision.

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Speaker 3: He'll sign with Cannaby or sign with Melbourne, will be

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Speaker 3: for less money than the West Tiger's offered him. Your

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Speaker 3: less money could have got a lot more. It's Georgia

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Speaker 3: Lawara or the Camber Raiders or the Dolphins. Yeah, or

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Speaker 3: the Dolphins. But he wants to improve his game under

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Speaker 3: a great coach and it's a big wrap for Camon

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Speaker 3: Surroulda that he's considering the Bulldogs.

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Speaker 5: It's just lap in the face of the Tigers that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel for the West Tigers both. We're often

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Speaker 4: criticized for taking a chainsaw to them every week, but

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Speaker 4: in fairness and in reality, they do bring a lot

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Speaker 4: on themselves. And if you look at the four seasons

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Speaker 4: that Stefano's had there, he's won fifteen games out of seventy,

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Speaker 4: so that's a twenty one percent success rate. To Buzz's

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Speaker 4: point about how he's prepared to take less money he

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Speaker 4: wants to get back to playing state of origin, I

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Speaker 4: think he's got a desire to represent Australia at some point.

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Speaker 4: He wants to try and win premiership. So it's not

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Speaker 4: a decision at all about freight. It's all about trying

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Speaker 4: to become a better NRL player and achieve his potential. Gordio,

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Speaker 4: I heard you say last week that the eight hundred

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars a year offer it probably is overs in

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Speaker 2: There's a little bit too much for what he's achieved.

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Speaker 2: You just said that he's just one fifteen out or

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Speaker 2: whatever you like. The good players drag him up. You

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Speaker 2: watch when payinnassmen Brisbane right at the bottom. He was

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Speaker 2: the best player on the field every time. I don't

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Speaker 2: Angus Crichton goes god, I want to become a front

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Speaker 2: rower as soon as his price take and goes god, why.

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Speaker 5: Aren't I a front rower?

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Speaker 2: I just think it's a little bit hard for fans

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Speaker 2: to believe, and this day and age when as soon

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Speaker 2: as a player plays five games, I want to get

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Speaker 2: out and test the market that someone goes to another

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Speaker 2: club for less money. I think I'm really hard to

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Speaker 3: To Luke Brooks. Did Luke Brooks get more money to

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Speaker 3: go to Manly? I don't think he did. Tommy to

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Speaker 3: allow Luke Garner, Dane Lorry, he would have John Bateman

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Speaker 5: Gordon, on Luke Brooks, on Luke Brooks.

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Speaker 2: That's what he would have got offered, I think at

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Speaker 2: every other club. So that's what would have got offered.

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Speaker 3: But what did want?

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Speaker 4: I think part of the Stefano decision Gordy is he

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Speaker 4: doesn't want to become the next Lupbrooks and Luke Brooks

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Speaker 4: was absolutely hammered from pillar to post. He's still got

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Speaker 4: the record for the most games played without featuring in

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Speaker 4: a final. In all likelihoods he will break that this year.

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Speaker 4: But that's the criticism that comes with the territory of

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Speaker 4: bringing it the Tigers. He has still got the barbie.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if he switched it on yet.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to where we think he'll land or

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Speaker 1: what we're hearing. What about the Tigers how they responded today, Well.

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Speaker 3: Shane Richon's come out and said we want players are

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Speaker 3: of a slap in the face, wasn't it, basically saying

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Speaker 3: it's a great message. Yeah, it is a really good

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Speaker 3: but he's saying everyone who's walked out over the last

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Speaker 3: twelve months. So I've just read seven names. They're all

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Speaker 3: playing good foot in Now you're saying they wound up

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Speaker 3: for the fight or you saying that.

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Speaker 2: They want to attract people that are up for the fright.

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Speaker 2: So Louey's going so the players that they're going to

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Speaker 2: attract the front rower Gordy where.

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Speaker 3: They're going to fry and front where who's who wants

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Speaker 3: to go there? Outside of Jerame Leueye. This is a crisis.

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Speaker 3: Mate is about to win the third Wooden Spoon. Players

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not blaming Shane Richardson for this has been

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Speaker 3: happening over a long period of time time.

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Speaker 1: That is the problem that they're losing their best forward

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Speaker 1: and they come and last and they can't replace that best.

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Speaker 3: Forward with here's the second best. That's happening.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, it's the third best exactly.

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Speaker 4: I disagree on those buzz They've got some good young

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Speaker 4: for they don't want to be urging for Bowl A

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Speaker 4: just a matter of moore those types of players, they're.

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Speaker 3: Ready to play next year and drag them off the bottom.

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Speaker 4: They've been strong this season. I would argue they've burning

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Speaker 4: just as good a form as any of those blokes that.

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Speaker 3: They stack up against the Rooster's pack, the Pemberth pack. Well,

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Speaker 3: I'm saying that they're not in the ballpark to.

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Speaker 5: It is an issue.

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Speaker 2: Break like there's some front rowers at paramatter right that

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Speaker 2: talking that there are players around right, and you've got

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Speaker 2: to get players moved on its house every year. Wayne

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Speaker 2: always said there's players that fall out of love with

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Speaker 2: coaches every year, and coaches fall out of love with players,

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Speaker 4: You raise a great point, Gordy, but it is an

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Speaker 4: issue and a challenge for the Tigers that at the moment,

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Speaker 4: and again we'll get accused of kicking them when they're down,

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Speaker 4: but it's just the truth. At the moment, there are

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Speaker 4: a club where players go and it essentially can be

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Speaker 4: a career killer. Look at Stefano. We went from Paramatta.

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Speaker 4: He was one of the most highly touted front rowers

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Speaker 4: he's had four seasons there. It's only when fifteen games

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Speaker 4: out of seventy I can understand why he's frustrated. You

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Speaker 4: blake some inside those dressing rooms. It's not fun when

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Speaker 4: you're losing all the time.

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Speaker 3: That the point is this, Stefano could stay and be

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Speaker 3: guided by Benji Marshall, who I like and is working

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Speaker 3: very very hard, and John Morris, or you can go

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Speaker 3: to Cambay and have Phil Gold and cabinet surround up.

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Speaker 3: We can go to the Roosters and have Trent Robinson

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Speaker 3: and Nick Poliitis. It's not a choice. The West Tigers

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Speaker 3: don't have a magnet there to keep these players there.

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Speaker 1: Girl's doing a good job, isn't he. He's doing a

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Speaker 1: great job all right. Now there's two clubs right, they're

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Speaker 1: in line here. It's either the Bulldogs or the Melbourne Storm.

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Speaker 1: Now I've spoken of both camps. Both camps are very

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Speaker 1: confident of securing Stefano. The Bulldogs are hesitant to pay

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Speaker 5: Melbourne I think are okay with the money.

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Speaker 1: Although what I've heard, and I want to get the

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Speaker 1: information from you guys, I've heard that he's got a

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Speaker 5: His wife wants to stay here. His wife's mother's in Sydney.

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Speaker 1: They've got a young child at the moment to help

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Speaker 5: So his preference is to stay in Sydney.

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Speaker 1: So from and I said it last week, I actually

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Speaker 1: think the Dogs are in the box seat here Melbourne powerhouse.

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Speaker 5: But Dogs on the improved playing the.

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Speaker 1: Way that they are looking like they are a premiership

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Speaker 1: threat in the next couple of years and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: need a leaf Sydney.

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Speaker 5: I've got them dead set getting him. That's how I

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Speaker 5: see it.

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Speaker 3: I've just got a text message from a Blake and

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Speaker 3: then saying what He's going to the Bulldogs. Now I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying that officially, it's just a very strong tip.

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Speaker 3: He's got a game of footy Thursday night, Heaps they

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Speaker 3: playing and I think he might announce on Friday that

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Speaker 3: he's going to the Bulldogs. According to your male and my.

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Speaker 4: Male everything you just said there, Broth is one hundred

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Speaker 4: percent on the money. The Melbourne element is interesting because

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Speaker 4: I know Shane Richardson at the West Tigers. I believe

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Speaker 4: he's gone to the NRL and actually pushed in a

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Speaker 4: formal complaint. How can Melbourne possibly match the money that

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Speaker 4: we've offered, which is eight hundred thousand dollars a season

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Speaker 4: times five. I don't know where that's going to get to.

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Speaker 4: And then the other degree of difficulty is the Melbourne

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Speaker 4: Storm have been looking to offload Nelson Sofa Solomona up

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Speaker 4: until now, they haven't had any take Christian Walsh as

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Speaker 4: well or not. I've heard his name. I haven't had

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Speaker 4: that one hundred percent confirmed. But the Nelson one's interesting

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Speaker 4: because then Nelson's come out in the papers over the

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Speaker 4: course of the last twenty four hours and said, look,

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 4: It's a strange set of circumstances. Buzz. I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure. Look, I'm not saying Nelson can't get

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Speaker 2: It's just too big, yeah, for the way the list

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we'll.

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Speaker 3: That's really interesting, Hoops, because in the Newcastle Herald, Barry

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Speaker 5: Is it true?

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Speaker 3: And he's from Newcastle as well, so yeah, and he's

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Speaker 2: Here that young kids sit behind Monster. Well it's a

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Speaker 4: But then for playmakers at the moment they Gordy, I

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Speaker 3: That's a big story. Hastings being dropped as the story

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Speaker 1: But the peasant, that's that's that's even if he does

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Speaker 5: A year, a year and a half change. Things can change.

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Speaker 1: That's not good for Newcastle and the way they're going

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Speaker 5: There's seems to be going on there. It's a bit

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm hearing a lot behind the scenes, buzz. I

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Speaker 4: don't know if you're hearing similar things, but there definitely

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Speaker 4: hasn't been anywhere near it as strong as we know

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Speaker 4: players have been tapped on the shoulder. I think there

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Speaker 5: All right, Well let's talk that's pretty obviously short.

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Speaker 5: All the Bulldogs.

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Speaker 1: The Mighty Bulldogs destroying the Broncos at sun Corps Stadium.

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Speaker 1: What a season it is becoming for the Mighty blue

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Speaker 5: They are the real deal.

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Speaker 1: They exposed the Broncos in every way possible. Their attack

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Speaker 3: I told you a couple of weeks ago, so I

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Speaker 3: don't know why you keep bringing it up. You know,

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Speaker 5: You're on the bus.

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Speaker 3: And what I like about it is that the good

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Speaker 3: attacking performance. I don't know if their dog the wall,

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Speaker 3: Now and again I pull out a meter or a

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give you an energy meter energy.

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Speaker 2: How do you measure that well out of ten?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's easy. Actually, sun Corpse Stadium Saturday afternoon they

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Speaker 2: How do you find nine point five is because it's

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Speaker 3: I don't know you. I was watching one TV.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't hard to nine point five.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was near a ten, but it wasn't quite

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Speaker 3: carry on, carry on, busk They are about a three

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Speaker 2: And it was the bulldogs. They were the entertainers and

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Speaker 4: In every picture, Buzz isn't on the gust bus Braith,

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Speaker 4: He's in the Sereraldo jet. When you look at where

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Speaker 4: And you look at that blueprint that they designed on

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Speaker 4: But the way that they were happy to risk early

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Speaker 5: Let's be honestly. I think everyone's got a bit of

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Speaker 3: You let me come glad, because you were heavy on

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Speaker 1: Coming to me, I'll tell you why, because you've been

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Speaker 5: Right. So the egg on the face, I mean is

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Speaker 1: Everyone was critical, even their own fans at one point

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Speaker 5: They got all the utilities.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't even think it's so much

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Speaker 3: We didn't think they had a front most of us didn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Taby was playing second grade like he was

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Speaker 1: What was so impressive about the win was it They're

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Speaker 5: They're going to win this game. Really they they just

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Speaker 1: The Bulldogs have because they've got a tough one, and

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Speaker 5: Because but now these games don't look so hard.

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Speaker 1: Last week they looked probably harder than what they do

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Speaker 2: It was a statement performance, wasn't it. So Like they

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Speaker 2: go there and score forty one points. It was a

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Speaker 2: beautiful day in Bristoin, forty two thousand. I thought this

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Speaker 2: they defend, but sometimes you need the scoreboard ticking over

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Speaker 2: So they're doing a fantastic job. They're going to be

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Speaker 4: I think they're a realistic shot at the top four, Gordy.

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Speaker 4: They're eight and zero at home this year and they

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Speaker 1: Break and the Bulldogs were amazing, but the Broncos were terrible.

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Speaker 1: in interviews the last few weeks and have been surprised

438
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Speaker 1: with how confident they are, thinking they were just going

439
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Speaker 1: to make the finals and then all of a sudden, bang,

440
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 1: they've got a right hook, they've been dropped and they're out.

441
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Speaker 1: How do we explain why the Broncos Gordy or come

442
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,959
Speaker 1: here because you're a of Broncos legend? Why are they

443
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 1: going so bad? Why are they where they are?

444
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Speaker 4: Right?

445
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Speaker 2: It's a million dollar question. I think there's a lot

446
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 2: of things right. I think the Grand Final hangover, I

447
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 2: think it's real. I think it's a shortened preseason. I

448
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 2: think Vegas going over there with a short preseason. I

449
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 2: think they thought it'd be about four to six weeks

450
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 2: and then they got the injuries. It's only five games

451
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Speaker 2: this year that Carrigan has reynolds Man and while you've

452
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 2: been on the field together, So throw that and then

453
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: that's not an excuse. And I think that the defense

454
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 2: on the weekend's attitude right. So I went to training

455
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 2: on Friday. It was like a semi final maybe Grand

456
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: Final for us, like the amount of people that go there.

457
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 2: I always say, the more you get pad on the back,

458
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 2: the softer you become. So when they do lose games,

459
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 2: they've still got the fan base. Maybe the players do

460
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 2: believe that. I think I think it's back to the

461
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 2: heart an attitude and ego thing.

462
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I wrote this morning. I think

463
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Speaker 3: it comes back to attitude ego Grand Final hangover. This

464
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Speaker 3: side achieved more than I think.

465
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Speaker 2: It's a bit of everything.

466
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Speaker 3: It this way. I don't want to blame Kevin Walters.

467
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Speaker 3: This is the third out of four years they're going

468
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Speaker 3: to miss out in the finals. So there's a problem there.

469
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Speaker 1: You made him Gordion, right, but you don't want to

470
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Speaker 1: blame Kevy. But and I love Kevy too, but I

471
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Speaker 1: was looking at the record and they've come fourteenth, ninth

472
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Speaker 1: with Kevy there, then they made the GF and now

473
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Speaker 1: they're going to miss the finals again. Now they've got

474
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Speaker 1: a good roster up here. I know they're young, but

475
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: they've got a good roster. So if Kevy's not the blame,

476
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Speaker 1: who's the blame.

477
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Speaker 4: Don't forget when Kevy first took over, he inherited a

478
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 4: mess coming off for Wooden Spoon. So you can copy

479
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 4: first year where they finished fourteenth and he had to

480
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 4: overhaul the roster that to clone a lot of blakes out.

481
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Speaker 4: I think they've made some errors in terms of their

482
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 4: recruitment and their attention, letting Flaggler go and also farm

483
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Speaker 4: Worth go.

484
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Speaker 3: But how do they keep them to Jimmy, they can't.

485
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Speaker 3: They've got Welsh Cobb Haas Carrigan Reynold. It's not an error.

486
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,959
Speaker 3: The cap would not allow them to keep well.

487
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Speaker 4: They pull it something O the young blakes go and

488
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Speaker 4: farm worth a rep.

489
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Speaker 5: This is an excuse me.

490
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Speaker 1: This is a decision that they've made as a club,

491
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Speaker 1: and the coach and recruitment, they all make those decisions.

492
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Speaker 2: I think I think the team's lacking leadership. So I

493
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 2: watch them, I watch them closely. I go there, I

494
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: sit there with my family and when the chips are down.

495
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Speaker 2: So on Saturday someone needed to stand and put a

496
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Speaker 2: steak in the ground and.

497
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Speaker 5: He didn't do it.

498
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Speaker 2: And in the Grand Final he failed to get him

499
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Speaker 2: home as well. And that's what they paid him to do.

500
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Speaker 2: So if he's the captain, like there's something where and

501
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: he's not doing it, there might be a chance where

502
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Speaker 2: you put Carrigan there.

503
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Speaker 3: Right, But you got does Adam Bryandold's body, the condition

504
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: he's in right now at thirty four years of age

505
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Speaker 3: allow him to produce the leadership you well? And that

506
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 3: was the big turmole at South.

507
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Speaker 2: It was about putting you because Alan Langer left to

508
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Speaker 2: go to England. They put me as captain. When he

509
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: come back off a was a company goes, no, no,

510
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: you're our leader because Elf probably didn't think that he

511
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: could have done what he did. But I leant on

512
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Speaker 2: him so heavily. But like under the pump on that game,

513
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Speaker 2: if I'm playing with Allying on his captain, he gets

514
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Speaker 2: out from dummy half, he does the three or four

515
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 2: tackles in a row, he looks at us and hech

516
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 2: other and it's just he's look, there's none of that happening.

517
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: There's the Lazarus just looking at us or doing that

518
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Speaker 2: charge and maybe maybe just a change with the c

519
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Speaker 2: B side their name.

520
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Speaker 3: When you've got a team that on paper and you

521
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Speaker 3: look at the program on sad to learn and I

522
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 3: guarantee you if we put dollar figures on every player

523
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: in the park, the Bronco has to be two million

524
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 3: dollars minimum, worth more on paper than what than Canterbury

525
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 3: than Canterbury on Saturday, they would be there's no, no.

526
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: Well what because everybody because the minimum energy.

527
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Speaker 3: Matter now it's got nothing to do with you look

528
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: at the side that they're on paper.

529
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Speaker 2: The minimum spend would be it's very close to the same,

530
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 2: so it can't be two million.

531
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Speaker 3: Well, well Crichton was out for them.

532
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Speaker 4: What I'm what's your beef with Reynolds?

533
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 3: So buzz because what's my beef with Reynolds?

534
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 5: Yea, he took him a.

535
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Speaker 4: Grand Final last year?

536
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: They were within Well why are you turning to make

537
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 3: audio an issue? I did, so I've got an issue

538
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 3: with Reynolds in that I'm not sure he should have

539
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: been extended for next year as well. And if they

540
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 3: weren't doing the next year deal, which I you know,

541
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure his body can cope with. Maybe they

542
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 3: to kept Farm with, maybe they could have kept Fleegler.

543
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 4: And you know, Carrigan's been skipper for half this year anyway,

544
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 4: because Reynolds has been missing. Did they extend even.

545
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: Attitude on Saturday? Why I mentioned was attitude, nothing else.

546
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: And coaches can get the blame, right, Coaches can and

547
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: they will and they do because it's easy to mit coaches.

548
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, that's what you're supposed to pack.

549
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: So when you play for the Dogs, there was an

550
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: attitude that you're expected to bring to the game. That's

551
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 2: all they're bringing. That's not and people are camerons around

552
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: and know it's not it's the players putting their attitude in.

553
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: And I was trying to explain what's paying half worth

554
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: compared to Sam hughs Can.

555
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 4: I was still looking for the right bow.

556
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 5: Paid, waiting for you would for it to come out.

557
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 5: You were just.

558
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So what does kick our worth to Jordan Ricky?

559
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 5: What is worth? What it's all about?

560
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: What is Josh car compared to that? There's there's floors.

561
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 5: From this argument.

562
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 3: It's the salary cap on the or.

563
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 5: You're talking about.

564
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: Kevy, is Kevy getting enough support or you know, is

565
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: Kevy going to bring What's going to happen because it's

566
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: going to be a change in the coaching staff anyway.

567
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, bro, there's going to be some changes.

568
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: John Cartwright's going out to England. Lie Briers, I think

569
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 4: is also returning back to the UK. Buzz wrote Sunday

570
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 4: Trent Barrett will be coming in as one of Kevy's

571
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 4: new assistants, and I think they're also looking at bringing

572
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 4: Ben Too in, who won a premiership with the Bunnies

573
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen and has been back up there and he's

574
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 4: coached with the Dolphins at the moment.

575
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was a belief. I think there was

576
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: a World Cup. Then they went to the Grand Final.

577
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: And they just haven't had the real tough, hard preseason

578
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: like they've had two East Soft preseason. The Rousters went

579
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: to Vegas to mate.

580
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know that.

581
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, well what I'm saying I was there. Yeah, yeah,

582
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: they haven't had all the injury makes and a good no. No, well,

583
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 3: I'm trying to say, yes, top five.

584
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: If their top five right, top five players only played

585
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: five games this year, rusters will be in the same position,

586
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: and you cannot tell me that.

587
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 5: They wouldn't be. Well the rest of it.

588
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: That's what Jar was only a top thirty five sale.

589
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: Everyone gets injuries, everyone gets rep and origin commitments. It

590
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: all comes back to the fact they are not turning

591
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: up to play football each week.

592
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: You know, I usually would agree that they're gaudio, and

593
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're entirely wrong, but you watch that

594
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: game on the weekend and you can't give them any

595
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: excuse for that.

596
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 5: No you can't. You can't.

597
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: So you can't say if they had certain players in

598
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: here there, or they would have been, they'd be higher

599
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: up because from what they showed on the weekend.

600
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 5: You can't say that, you just can't. They are so

601
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 5: far off the mark.

602
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: And what what surprises me is this, heading into this game,

603
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: how there is a level of well, there's confidence, right,

604
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: but there was a level of our you know, it

605
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: was like they were they were just thinking, waiting for someone.

606
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 5: They thought it was just going to happen.

607
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 3: Hey, Gordy, I didn't think i'd ever see it, but

608
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: I saw footage of Broncoast fans walking out on that

609
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 3: team at halftime, and Mate, that tells you that the

610
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: attitude's not there and they're not going to sit there

611
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: all afternoon for a team that aren't having a dig.

612
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 4: There was a Bulldog's chat that went up in the

613
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 4: last fifteen minutes of the game. You could hear the

614
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: Bulldogs cooked stadium. But there were still some moments of

615
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 4: individual bro I mean, catony stags to drag him out

616
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 4: out of the trouble that they.

617
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 5: Were in fence was pretty poor though.

618
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's acceptable, but I'm just saying, plenty

619
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Speaker 4: of blakes.

620
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: Listen, he's on the bus, he's on the tube train,

621
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: aren't you all right? Sticker around your following it on

622
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: three sixty, the second part of the incredible story of

623
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: regul League's third team, Immortal.

624
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Speaker 5: Now many guys