1 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Welcome tourn and o three sixty year league from every angle, 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: brought to you by NIV. Joining me again the Great 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: Gordon Tallers, the Generator, Australian Buzz rock Field and James 4 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: Hooper and King Cleary strikes again. Three tries, one hundred 5 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: and nineteen meters, six tackle bus and three try assists 6 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: hominos signs for the rest of the competition. When Cleary 7 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: is on fire. Gordy and the Panthers yet again are 8 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: the team to be. 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: Called that game on Triple M. Yesterday the wind Sock 10 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: was going crazy. We saw Ben Hunt kick out a 11 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: few times on the full. So it's not a day 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: for your half back so to score three tries, but 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: just his kicking game. He's all round game. Second game back. 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: He was a little bit clunky against the Dolphins, he 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: got the he got the ice to play, but he 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: was outstanding yesterday. 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: I've been saying John's Thurston in the same conversation is 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 3: clearly for quite a period of time now and yesterday 19 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: charded again. The clutch played last week yesterday master class. 20 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 4: He's a freak. 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no doubt. The final frontier for Nathan is 22 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 5: dominating at State of origin level, but at club football level, 23 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 5: he's twenty six years of age, he's played in four 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 5: straight Grand finals. If he's fit and depending what happens 25 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 5: with James Fisher Harris, but if their rosters relatively fit, 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 5: browth very difficult to see anybody stopping a. 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: Four people on that in Melbourne Storm are four points 28 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: clear of Penrith, but you have to say that Penwrith 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: are still clear favorites right to take out this competition. 30 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 6: Would you all agree with that? 31 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think the tab have got them as favorites. 32 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: But my goodness, Melbourne Storm the way they're playing, and 33 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: I know they probably haven't been quite as impressive at 34 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: their best but standing football. 35 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, there'll be a side go on a run. 36 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: We watched it last year with Brisbol. But no doubt 37 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: Penrith are favorites. There's no doubt how they've got through 38 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: the origin period. Clear is back now they rest and 39 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: if they're four wood packs Harmon, they're going to be 40 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: hard to beat. 41 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 5: Nathan's key. Nathan's key as long as he remains fit 42 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 5: and he's there for all September, then they're the favorites, 43 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 5: no question. 44 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 6: Agree. 45 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: Hoops now today Stefano Utai Kaman who notified the West 46 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: Tigers that he will be leaving the club. Have we 47 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: got some more information on this, but this is something 48 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: again we've spoken about quite a bit. We predicted this, 49 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: We knew that he was going, but still to officially 50 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: announce it. Big news for him and big news for 51 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: the Tigers and what's next for Stefana. 52 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 3: Well, he walked in training at eight o'clock this morning, 53 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: banged on Benji Marshall's door before he put his boots 54 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 3: on and said mate, I'm going and that was it. 55 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 3: Then he addressed the players and he banged on the door. Yeah, 56 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: well he did. 57 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 4: You know. 58 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 3: He wanted to tell Benji first how to respect and 59 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 3: he joins a long list of players who have walked 60 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: out on that club and it's a concern for them. 61 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 3: It's not a money decision. He'll sign with Cannaby or 62 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 3: sign with Melbourne, will be for less money than the 63 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: West Tiger's offered him. Your less money could have got 64 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: a lot more. It's Georgia Lawara or the. 65 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 4: Camber Raiders or the Dolphins. Yeah, or the Dolphins. 66 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: But he wants to improve his game under a great 67 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: coach and it's a big wrap for Camon Surrouda that 68 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 3: he's considering the Bulldogs. 69 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 6: It's just lap in the face of the Tigers. That. 70 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel for the West Tigers both. We're often 71 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 5: criticized for taking a chainsaw to them every week, but 72 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 5: in fairness and in reality, they do bring a lot 73 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 5: on themselves. And if you look at the four seasons 74 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 5: that Stefano's had there, he's won fifteen games out of seventy, 75 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 5: so that's a twenty one percent success rate. To Buzz's 76 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 5: point about how he's prepared to take less money he 77 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 5: wants to get back to playing state of origin, I 78 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 5: think he's got a desire to represent Australia at some point. 79 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 5: He wants to try and win premiership. So it's not 80 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 5: a decision at all about freight. It's all about trying 81 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 5: to become a better NRL player and achieve his potential. Gordio, 82 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 5: I heard you say last week that the eight hundred 83 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 5: thousand dollars a year offer it probably is overs in 84 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 5: terms of what he's done. 85 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: There's a little bit too much for what he's achieved. 86 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: You just said that he's just one fifteen out or 87 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: whatever you like. The good players drag him up. You 88 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: watch when payinnassmen Brisbane right at the bottom. He was 89 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: the best player on the field every time. I don't 90 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: see that in him. On the Maddie John Show last night, 91 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: Angus Crichton goes god, I want to become a front 92 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: rower as soon as his price take and goes god, 93 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 2: why aren't I a front rower. I just think it's 94 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: a little bit hard for fans to believe, and this 95 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: day and age, when as soon as a player plays 96 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: five games, I want to get out and test the 97 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: market that someone goes to another club for less money. 98 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 6: I think I'm really hard to say that. 99 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 3: To Luke Brooks. Did Luke Brooks get more money to 100 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: go to Manly? I don't think he did. Tommy to 101 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 3: allow Luke Garner, Dane Lorry, he would have John Bateman 102 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: hold on. 103 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 4: Gordon, on Luke Brooks, on Luke Brooks. 104 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: That's what he would have got offered, I think at 105 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: every other club. So that's what would have got offered. 106 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 4: But what did want? 107 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 5: I think part of the Stefano decision Gordy is he 108 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 5: doesn't want to become the next Lupbrooks and Luke Brooks 109 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 5: was absolutely hammered from pillar to post. He's still got 110 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 5: the record for the most games played without featuring in 111 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 5: a final. In all likelihoods he will break that this year. 112 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 5: But that's the criticism that comes with the territory of 113 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 5: bringing it the Tigers. He has still got the barbie. 114 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 5: I'm not sure if he switched it on yet. 115 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: Before we get to where we think he'll land or 116 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: what we're hearing. What about the Tigers how they responded today, Well. 117 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 3: Shane Richon's come out and said we want players are 118 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: up for the fight. And that was a little bit 119 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: of a slap in the face, wasn't it, basically saying 120 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: it's a great message. Yeah, it is a really good 121 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: but he's saying everyone who's walked out over the last 122 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: twelve months. 123 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 4: So I've just read seven names. 124 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 3: They're all playing good foot in Now you're saying they 125 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 3: wound up for the fight or you saying that. 126 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: They want to attract people that are up for the fright. 127 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 2: So Louey's going so the players that they're going to 128 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: attract the front. 129 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 3: Rower Gordy where they're going to fry and front where 130 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: who's who wants to go there? Outside of Jerame Leueye. 131 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 3: This is a crisis. Mate is about to win the 132 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: third Wooden Spoon. Players are walking out the door and 133 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 3: it's a crisis. 134 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 4: It really is. 135 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 3: And I'm not blaming Shane Richardson for this has been 136 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 3: happening over a long period of time time. 137 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: That is the problem that they're losing their best forward 138 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: and they come and last and they can't replace that best. 139 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 4: Forward with here's the second best. That's happening. That's what 140 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 4: I'm saying, it's the third best exactly. 141 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 5: I disagree on those buzz They've got some good young 142 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 5: for they don't want to be urging for Bowl A 143 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 5: just a matter of moore those types of players, they're. 144 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 4: Ready to play next year and drag them off the bottom. 145 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 5: They've been strong this season. I would argue they've burning 146 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 5: just as good a form as any of those blokes that. 147 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: They stack up against the Rooster's pack, the Pemberth pack. Well, 148 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 3: I'm saying that they're not in the ballpark to. 149 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 6: It is an issue. 150 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 2: Break like there's some front rowers at paramatter right, they 151 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: might get a tap on the shoulder, right, So there's 152 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: talking that there are players around, right, and you've got 153 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: Penguin you've got Wayne leaving the Dolphins, and you're going 154 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: to get players moved on. 155 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 6: Its house every year. 156 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: Wayne always said there's players that fall out of love 157 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: with coaches every year, and coaches fall out of love 158 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: with players, so there'll be enough on the market. 159 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 5: He raise a great point, Gordy, but it is an 160 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 5: issue and a challenge for the Tigers that at the moment, 161 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 5: and again we'll get accused of kicking them when they're down, 162 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 5: but it's just the truth. At the moment, there are 163 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 5: a club where players go and it essentially can be 164 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 5: a career killer. Look at Stefano. We went from Paramatta. 165 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 5: He was one of the most highly touted front rowers 166 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 5: in the game at the time, emerging right, and then 167 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 5: he's had four seasons there. It's only when fifteen games 168 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 5: out of seventy I can understand why he's frustrated. You 169 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 5: blake some inside those dressing rooms. It's not fun when 170 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 5: you're losing all the time. 171 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 3: That the point is this, Stefano could stay and be 172 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 3: guided by Benji Marshall, who I like and is working 173 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: very very hard, and John Morris, or you can go 174 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 3: to Cambay and have Phil Gold and cabinet surround up. 175 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: We can go to the Roosters and have Trent Robinson 176 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: and Nick Poliitis. 177 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 4: It's not a choice. 178 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: The West Tigers don't have a magnet there to keep 179 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 3: these players there. 180 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: Girl's doing a good job, isn't he. He's doing a 181 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: great job all right. Now there's two clubs right, they're 182 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: in line here. It's either the Bulldogs or the Melbourne Storm. 183 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: Now I've spoken of both camps. Both camps are very 184 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: confident of securing Stefano. The Bulldogs are hesitant to pay 185 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: the money because they, like us, don't think he's probably 186 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: worth the eight hundred. Melbourne I think are okay with 187 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: the money. Although what I've heard, and I want to 188 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: get the information from you guys, I've heard that he's 189 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: got a young family here. 190 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 6: His wife wants to stay here. His wife's mother's in Sydney. 191 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: They've got a young child at the moment to help 192 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: and the mother would help out with the children. So 193 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: his preference is to stay in Sydney. So from and 194 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: I said it last week, I actually think the Dogs 195 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: are in the box seat here Melbourne powerhouse. But Dogs 196 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: on the improved playing the way that they are looking 197 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: like they are a premiership threat in the next couple 198 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: of years and he doesn't need a leaf Sydney. I've 199 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: got them dead set getting him. That's how I see it. 200 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 3: I've just got a text message from a Blake and 201 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 3: then saying what He's going to the Bulldogs. Now I'm 202 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 3: not saying that officially, it's just a very strong tip. 203 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 3: He's got a game of footy Thursday night, Heaps they 204 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 3: play and I think he might announce on Friday that 205 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: he's going to the Bulldogs. 206 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 4: According to your male and my male. 207 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 5: Everything you just said there, Broth is one hundred percent 208 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 5: on the money. The Melbourne element is interesting because I 209 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 5: know Shane Richardson at the West Tigers. I believe he's 210 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 5: gone to the NRL and actually pushed in a formal complaint. 211 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 5: How can Melbourne possibly match the money that we've offered, 212 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 5: which is eight hundred thousand dollars a season times five. 213 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 5: I don't know where that's going to get to. And 214 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 5: then the other degree of difficulty is the Melbourne Storm 215 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 5: have been looking to offload Nelson Sofa Solomona up until now, 216 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 5: they haven't had any take. 217 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 6: Christian Walsh as well or not. 218 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 5: I've heard his name. I haven't had that one hundred 219 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 5: percent confirmed. But the Nelson one's interesting because then Nelson's 220 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 5: come out in the papers over the course of the last 221 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 5: twenty four hours and said, look, I don't want to 222 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 5: go anywhere, so he is on big money. 223 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: Interesting one that hoops because remember the Australia was at 224 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: the All Blacks or the Australian Rugby Union offered him 225 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 3: an enormous amount of money and it nearly broke the 226 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: bank for Melbourne to keep him there. And then eighteen 227 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: months later they're saying see you later. 228 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 6: It is. 229 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 5: It's a strange set of circumstances. Buzz. 230 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 6: I'm with you. 231 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 5: I'm not sure. Look, I'm not saying Nelson can't get 232 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 5: back to his best because when he's at his best, 233 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 5: he was the most damaging front rower in the competition. 234 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 5: Maybe the six again rule hasn't played in his favor 235 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 5: as much as some of the other emerging forwards. 236 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 2: Got to drop size. He's just too big. Yeah, for 237 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 2: the way the list like, you're just like it's powered 238 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: to weight ratio. Yeah, I mean, like if you're playing 239 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: against someone that's one hundred and five and they're just 240 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: as strong or like one hundred and ten. You're carrying 241 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 2: extra weight, you can't move it. 242 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: It looks like Nelson not moving on real Melbourne Storm 243 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: the chance of securing the fun of you Tikomannu and 244 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: the Dogs are looking likely to sign him now. Hoops, 245 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: you've got some information on us about Jackson Hastings in Newcastle. 246 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we'll see Jackson left out of the 247 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 5: Newcastle Knights NRL side tomorrow, so it'll be the second 248 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 5: time breath that he's been acts this season. I think 249 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 5: it's purely performance based. I covered their last game before 250 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 5: they had the buy against the Brisbane Broncos and it 251 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 5: was a fair way off the pace. Adam Reynolds put 252 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 5: a clinic on against him that evening and Reynolds was 253 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 5: playing injured at the time. So I just think Jackson, 254 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 5: they're going to send him back to the New South 255 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 5: Wales Cup see if you can get some confidence and 256 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 5: some form back, and i'dn't be surprised if we seen 257 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 5: him back in the NURL anytime soon. 258 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 3: That's really interesting, Hoops, because in the Newcastle Herald, Barry 259 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: Toohy I read over the weekend and both I'll have 260 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: to drag you in here Jana Pizzette and Melbourne very 261 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 3: stylely shown halfback. He's been out injured. Is you look 262 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: after him? Is it true? 263 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: Well, I mean I read it in the paper as well, buzz, 264 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: so I think there is a level of interest there. 265 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: I can't talk to any clubs until November one, but 266 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: the Melbourne Storm are currently trying to upgrade and extend. 267 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: So I've been talking to that troop about that for 268 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: young Jonah because they love him in Melbourne and he 269 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: loves Melbourne too. But if he doesn't do that deal 270 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: with Melbourne before then he's off. He's able to negotiate. 271 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: And he's from Newcastle as well, so. 272 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's stuck behind Jerome here. 273 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: That's the young kids sit behind Monster. Well it's a 274 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: good education too, so there's a education. It's a great education. 275 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 5: But then for playmakers at the moment they Gordy, I 276 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 5: look at Jonah and I think he's ready to play 277 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 5: regular around. 278 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 4: That's a big story. 279 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 3: Hastings being dropped as the story comes. 280 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: Out, But peasant, that's that's that's Even if he does 281 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: go to Newcastle, that's not for another year. 282 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 6: A year, a year and a half change. Things can change. 283 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: But with Jackson, that's not good for Newcastle and the 284 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: way they're going at the moment. 285 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 6: There's seems to be going on there. It's a bit 286 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 6: of a mess up there at the moment. 287 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm hearing a lot behind the scenes, buzz. I 288 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 5: don't know if you're hearing similar things, but there definitely 289 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 5: does seem to be somewhere unrest. I'm not sure that 290 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 5: everybody's on the same page. Like I said, I think 291 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 5: with Jackson it is purely form and performance based. He 292 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 5: hasn't been anywhere near it as strong as we know 293 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 5: and what we've seen from him previously in the NFL 294 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 5: this season. But I mean, Peter Sullivan's gone in there 295 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 5: as the brand new recruitment manager and he's essentially taken 296 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 5: an axe to the roster, which means a lot of 297 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 5: players have been tapped on the shoulder. I think there 298 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 5: are factions within the club and there's a lot of 299 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 5: talk behind the scenes in general unrest not good. 300 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: All right, Well let's talk that's pretty obviously short. 301 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry. 302 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: All the Bulldogs the Mighty Bulldogs destroying the Broncos at 303 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: sun Corps Stadium. What a season it is becoming for 304 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: the mighty blue and White, celebrating in style and playing 305 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: a brand of footy that I haven't seen them play 306 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: in a very long time. 307 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 6: They are the real deal. 308 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: They exposed the Broncos in every way possible. Their attack 309 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: was scintilating, it was precise, and the coaching from Serroudo 310 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: was special and the defense again was well then the 311 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: second best defensive team in the competition this year after 312 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: being the worst last year. What a transformation this has 313 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: been and what a performance this was to come to 314 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: your buzz on the weekend. 315 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: I told you a couple of weeks ago, so I 316 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: don't know why you keep bringing it up. You know, 317 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: how could you not be on the bus. How could 318 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 3: you possibly not be on the bus. 319 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 6: You're on the bus. 320 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: And what I like about it is that the good 321 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 3: sides coming up to finals are going upwards and that 322 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: attacking performance. I don't know if their dog the wall, 323 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 3: whether they're entertainers or what they are. Cameron Surround said, 324 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,479 Speaker 3: they're just the twenty twenty four version of the Canterbury Bulldogs. 325 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 3: Now and again I pull out a meter or a 326 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: scandal meter the media. 327 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got that wet. 328 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 4: I'm going to give you an energy meter. 329 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 5: Energy, how do you measure that well? 330 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 6: Out of ten? 331 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 4: Well, it's easy. 332 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 3: Actually, sun Corpse Stadium Saturday afternoon they turned up with 333 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 3: nine point five out of ten energy. 334 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 6: How do you find nine point five is because it's 335 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 6: his animal. 336 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 4: I don't know you. I was watching one TV. It 337 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 4: wasn't hard. 338 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 6: To have a nine point five. 339 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 4: Well, it was near a ten, but it wasn't quite. 340 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 6: Carry on, carry on, buzz work. 341 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 4: They are about a three if that okay? And Cameron's 342 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 4: around our right, and it was the bulldogs. 343 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 6: They were the entertainers and it was the dogs of war. 344 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 6: We asked him what does this side stand for? 345 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: And he goes, we we won't be outworked, which when 346 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: you just watch it, and I know it's easy in 347 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: hindsight and you look at the way that dogs go 348 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: about their job. They might get beaten, but they get 349 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 2: beaten on ability. They don't get beaten because they try 350 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: to get more blue and white jerseys. In every picture. 351 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 5: Buzz isn't on the Gus bus Breith, he's in the 352 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 5: Sereraldo jet. When you look at where they've come from 353 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 5: last year when it was horrible, as you touched on, 354 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 5: they conceded more than seven hundred points. They've had that 355 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 5: this year, So they're averaging thirty two points a game 356 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 5: leaked in defense last year. Now it's sixteenth. And you 357 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 5: look at that blueprint that they designed on Saturday afternoon, 358 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 5: you can see Jason Taylor, he's doing their attack sitting 359 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 5: there in the coach's box as well. Cameron Serraldo specifically 360 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 5: mentioned him yesterday when we spoke to him, Gordy, he 361 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 5: said he deserves a lot of the credit too. But 362 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 5: the way that they were happy to risk early shifts 363 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 5: really hit that down the left edge and roup the 364 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 5: results it's been first class. 365 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 6: Let's be honestly. 366 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: I think everyone's got a bit of egg on their 367 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: face here because you too. 368 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: That's why you let me come glad, because you were 369 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 3: heavy on them too last year. 370 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: Keep coming to me, I'll tell you why, because you've 371 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: been heavy until about two weeks ago. 372 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 6: Right. 373 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: So the egg on the face I mean is the 374 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: recruitment and we but it's not just us. Everyone was critical, 375 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: even their own fans at one point because they utility. 376 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: They got all the utilities. But I mean, I don't 377 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: even think it's so much their recruitment. It's it's what 378 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: they've created inside the four walls. That's just got the 379 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: best out of every player there. And they're playing in 380 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: a certain style and playing with the resilience and they've 381 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: got that Bulldog's DNA back. But they let's be fair, 382 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: all of us question their recruitment, especially when they didn't 383 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: start the season. They were pretty rusty to there to Yeah, 384 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: so it was fair enough, but they have proven everyone wrong. 385 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 3: We didn't think they had a front most of us didn't. 386 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 3: Too small. We didn't think they had a half back 387 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: who came over from. 388 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 5: Well Drew Hutcheson starting half back for the opening four 389 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 5: to six weeks. 390 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Taby was playing second grade like he was 391 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 3: on the Gold Coast. 392 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 4: We questioned it. 393 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 6: That was his best game as a Bulldog on the weekend. 394 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 4: He's been playing strong for a long period of time. 395 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: And as as I said, look, I've been giving it 396 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: to them and I thought they had two big A 397 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 3: turnover players and there was never a chance to sixty 398 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 3: six nil. They were beating a Newcastle round eighteen last year. 399 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: That place was in a heap and. 400 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: What was so impressive about the win was it they'll 401 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: come up against the Broncos at sun Corps Stadium away 402 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: and the Broncos needed to win to make the finals. 403 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: So I think everyone just thought, well, you know what, 404 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: no Stephen Crichton, No Stephen Crichton. A couple of days 405 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: out ruled now two months just thinking well, this is 406 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: the Broncos. 407 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 6: They're going to win this game. Really they just had 408 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 6: to and they didn't. We even questioned the run. 409 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: Home the Bulldogs have because they've got a tough one, 410 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: and we thought, you know what, they'll probably lose here. 411 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 6: It is here, right, so they've got the. 412 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: Raiders, Dragons, Dolphins, Warriors, Seagulls and Cowboys. We went through 413 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: this last week, but we thought with the Broncos one, 414 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: they most likely would lose that and then they'd be 415 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,239 Speaker 1: under pressure to maintain their spot with these games coming up. 416 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 6: Because but now these games don't look so hard. 417 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: Last week they looked probably harder than what they do 418 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: now because of that performance. 419 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 2: It was a statement performance, wasn't it. So Like they 420 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: go there and score forty one points. It was a 421 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: beautiful day in Bristoine forty two thousand. I thought this 422 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 2: is when Bristoin We're going to turn it on. I 423 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: didn't think the Dogs had that many points, So yeah, 424 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: they defend, but sometimes you need the scoreboard ticking over 425 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: in your favor as well, and they've got that going now. 426 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 6: So they're doing a fantastic job. They're going to be 427 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 6: hard to beat now. 428 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 5: I think they're a realistic shot at the top four, Gordy. 429 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 5: They're eight and zero at home this year and they 430 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 5: have a decent draw in relation to games at home 431 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 5: over the remaining six rounds. You mentioned no Stephen Crichton, 432 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 5: also no Josh had Ocar, No Max King. Crichton and 433 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 5: that o'ca are both expected back in the first grade soon, 434 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 5: so you throw them. They're both representative players into what's 435 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 5: already becoming an electric and dangerous back line. They're the 436 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 5: best story of the season. 437 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: Break and the Bulldogs were amazing, but the Broncos were terrible. Now, 438 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: what is happening with the Brisbane Broncos. They seemed last 439 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: year probably should have won a Grand Final, and then 440 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: they turn it around this year and put in a 441 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: performance as they have now. We've seen them in interviews 442 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: the last few weeks and have been surprised with how 443 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: confident they are, thinking they were just going to make 444 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: the finals and then all of a sudden bang, they've 445 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: got a right hook, they've been dropped and they're out. 446 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: How do we explain why the Broncos Gordy or come 447 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: here because you're a of Broncos legend? Why are they 448 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: going so bad? Why are they where they are? 449 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 5: Right? 450 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: It's a million dollar question. I think there's a lot 451 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: of things right. I think the Grand Final hangover, I 452 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 2: think it's real. I think it's a shortened preseason. I 453 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: think Vegas going over there with a short preseason. I 454 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: think they thought it'd be about four to six weeks 455 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: and then they got the injuries. It's only five games 456 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 2: this year that Carrigan has reynolds Man and while you've 457 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 2: been on the field together, So throw that and then 458 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: that's not an excuse. And I think that the defense 459 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: on the weekend's attitude right. So I went the training 460 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: on Friday. It was like a semi final maybe Grand 461 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 2: Final for us, like the amount of people that go there. 462 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 2: I always say, the more you get pad on the back, 463 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 2: the softer you become. So when they do lose games, 464 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: they've still got the fan base. Maybe the players do 465 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 2: believe that. I think I think it's back to the 466 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: heart an attitude and ego thing. 467 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 4: I mean, that's what I wrote this morning. 468 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 3: I think it comes back to attitude, ego, Grand Final hangover. 469 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 4: This side achieved more. 470 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 6: Than I think. It's a bit of everything. 471 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 4: It this way. I don't want to blame Kevin Walters. 472 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: This is the third out of four years they're going 473 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 3: to miss out in the finals, so there's a problem there. 474 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 6: So you may him Gordion, right, but you don't want 475 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 6: to blame Kevy. 476 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: But and I love Kevy too, but I was looking 477 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: at the record and they've come fourteenth, ninth with Kevy there, 478 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: then they made the GF and now they're going to 479 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: miss the finals again. Now they've got a good roster 480 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: up here. I know they're young, but they've got a 481 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: good roster. So if Kevy's not the blame, who's the blame. 482 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 5: Don't forget when Kevy first took over, he inherited a 483 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 5: mess coming off for Wooden Spoon, So you can copy 484 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 5: first year where they finished fourteenth and he had to 485 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 5: overhaul the roster that to clone a lot of blakes out. 486 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 5: I think they've made some errors in terms of their 487 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 5: recruitment and their attention, letting Flaggler go and also farm 488 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 5: Worth go. 489 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 3: But how do they keep them, Jimmy, they can't. They've 490 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 3: got Welsh cobb haas Carrigan Reynolds. But it's not an error. 491 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: The cap would not allow them to keep. 492 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 5: Well, they pull it something o the young Blakeska and 493 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 5: farm Worth a rep. 494 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 6: This is an excuse me. 495 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: This is a decision that they've made as a club, 496 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: and the coach and recruitment, they all make those decisions. 497 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 2: I think I think the team's lacking leadership. So I 498 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 2: watch them, I watch them closely. I go there, I 499 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: sit there with my family and when the chips are down. 500 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: So on Saturday someone needed to stand and put a 501 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: steak in the ground and he didn't do it. And 502 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 2: in the Grand Final he failed to get him home 503 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: as well, and that's what they paid him to do. 504 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: So if he's the captain, like there's something where and 505 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: he's not doing it, there might be a chance where 506 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 2: you put Carrigan there right, But you got does Adam 507 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 2: Bryandold's body, the condition he's in right now at thirty 508 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: four years of age allow him. 509 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: To produce the leadership you well? And that was the 510 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 3: big turmole at South. 511 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: It was about putting you because Alan Langer left to 512 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: go to England. They put me as captain when he 513 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 2: come back off a was a company goes no, no, 514 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 2: you're our leader because Elf probably didn't think that he 515 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: could have done what he did. But I leant on 516 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 2: him so heavily. But like under the pump on that game, 517 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 2: if I'm playing with allying on his captain, he gets 518 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 2: out from dummy half, he does the three or four 519 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 2: tackles in a row, he looks at us and hech 520 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 2: other and it's just he's look, there's none of that happening. 521 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 2: There's the Lazarus just looking at us or doing that 522 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 2: charge and maybe maybe just a change with the c 523 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 2: B side their name. 524 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 3: When you've got a team that on paper and you 525 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: look at the program on sad to known and I 526 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 3: guarantee you if we put dollar figures on every player 527 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 3: in the park, the Bronco has to be two million 528 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 3: dollars minimum, worth more on paper than what than Canterbury 529 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 3: than Canterbury on Saturday, they would be there's. 530 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 2: No, no, well what because everybody because the minimum the energy. 531 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 3: Mat it's got nothing to do with the You look 532 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 3: at the side that they're on paper. 533 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 2: The minimum spend would be it's very close to the same, 534 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: so it can't be two million. 535 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 4: Well, well, Crichton was out for them. 536 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 5: What I'm what's your beef with Reynolds? Buzz? 537 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 4: Because what's my beef with Reynolds? 538 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 5: He took them to a Grand Final last year they 539 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 5: were within Well God, why are you turning to make 540 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 5: audio an issue? 541 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 4: I did, so I've got. 542 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 3: An issue with Reynolds in that I'm not sure he 543 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 3: should have been extended for next year as well. And 544 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 3: if they weren't doing the next year deal, which I 545 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 3: you know, I'm not sure his body can cope with. 546 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: Maybe they to kept Farm with, maybe they could have 547 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 3: kept Fleegler. 548 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 5: And you know, Carrigan's been skipper for half this year anyway, 549 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 5: because Reynolds has been missing. Did they extend even. 550 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 4: Attitude on Saturday? Why I mentioned was attitude, nothing else. 551 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: And coaches can get the blame, right. Coaches can and 552 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: they will and they do because it's easy to mit. 553 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 6: Coaches. 554 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, that's what you're supposed to pack. 555 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: So when you play for the Dogs, there was an 556 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: attitude that you're expected to bring to the game. That's 557 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: all They're bringing that's not and people are camerons around 558 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: and know it's it's the players putting their attitude in trying. 559 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 3: I was trying to explain what's paying half worth compared 560 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 3: to Sam Hughs you know what can I. 561 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 5: Was still looking for the right bow paid, waiting for 562 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 5: you would for it to come out. 563 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 6: You were just. 564 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: Okay, So what does kick our worth to Jordan Ricky? 565 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 6: What is worth? 566 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 4: What it's all about? 567 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 6: What is Josh car compared to that? There's there's floors 568 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 6: from this argument. 569 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 4: It's the salary cap on the or. 570 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 6: You're talking about Kevy, is Kevy getting enough support? 571 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: Or you know, is Kevy going to bring what's going 572 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: to happen because it's going to be a change in 573 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: the coaching staff anyway. 574 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right, Broth, there's going to be some changes. 575 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 5: John Cartwright's going out to England. Lie Briers, I think 576 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 5: is also returning back to the UK. Buzz wrote Sunday 577 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 5: Trent Barrett will be coming in as one of Kevy's 578 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 5: new assistants, and I think they're also looking at bringing 579 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 5: Ben Too in, who won a premiership with the Bunnies 580 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 5: twenty fourteen and has been back up there and he's 581 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 5: coached with the Dolphins at the moment. 582 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was a belief. I think there was 583 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 2: a World Cup. Then they went to the Grand Final. 584 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: And they just haven't had the real tough, hard preseason 585 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 2: like they've had two East soft preseason. 586 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 4: The Rouster just went to Vegas to mate. 587 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 6: You know, I don't know that. 588 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, well what I'm saying I was there. 589 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, they haven't had all the injury makes and 590 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 3: a good no no. 591 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 4: Well, I'm trying to say, yeah, top five. 592 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 2: If their top five right, top five players only played 593 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 2: five games this year, rusters will be in the same position, 594 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 2: and you cannot tell me that they wouldn't be. 595 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 4: Well the rest of it. 596 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 6: That's what j was only a top thirty five. 597 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 3: Everyone gets injuries, everyone gets rep and origin commitments. It 598 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: all comes back to the fact they are not turning 599 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 3: up to play football each week. 600 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: You know, I usually would agree that they're gaudio, and 601 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're entirely wrong, but you watch that 602 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: game on the weekend and you can't give them any 603 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: excuse for that. 604 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 6: No, you can't. You can't. 605 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: So you can't say if they had certain players in 606 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: here there, or they would have been, they'd be higher up, 607 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: because from what they showed on the weekend, you can't 608 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: say that, you just can't. They are so far off 609 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: the mark. And what what surprises me is this heading 610 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: into this game, how there is a level of well, 611 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: there's confidence, right, but there was a level of our 612 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: you know, it was like they were they were just thinking, 613 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: waiting for someone. 614 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 6: They thought it was just going to happen. 615 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 3: Hey, Gordy, I didn't think i'd ever see it, but 616 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 3: I saw footage of Broncoast fans walking out on that 617 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 3: team at halftime, and Mate, that tells you that the 618 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 3: attitude's not there and they're not going to sit there 619 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 3: all afternoon for a team that aren't having a dig. 620 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 5: There was a Bulldog's chat that went up in the 621 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 5: last fifteen minutes of the game. You could hear the 622 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 5: Bulldogs cooked stadium. But there were still some moments of 623 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 5: individual bro i mean, catony stags to drag him out 624 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 5: out of the trouble that they. 625 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 6: Were in fence was pretty poor though. 626 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 5: I'm not saying it's acceptable, but I'm just saying, plenty 627 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 5: of blakes. 628 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: Listen, he's on the bus, he's on the tube train, 629 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:53,959 Speaker 1: aren't you all right? 630 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 6: Sticker around you. 631 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: Following it on three sixty, the second part of the 632 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: incredible story of regul League's third team, Immortal. 633 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 6: Now many guys