WEBVTT - Bonus: Victoria's Top Cop On The State's Violent Crime Problem 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.719 We love it doing a segment called Probe the Pope, 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:06.440 where we're joined by different officers of different areas of 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:11.879 the Victorian Police. But today we got the top cart. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:19.239 Jason Lawrence, Croo. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.759 Shane Patten, Welcome to the show. Good morning, Good. 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:25.400 Morning morning, Jason, morning Lauren. I have never heard that 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:26.279 music in my life. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:30.920 I greet you when you roll into work police. 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:32.919 No, but I think i'll start. It's not a bad 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:33.960 way to be greeted. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:39.680 Just very quickly true or false? Chief Commissioner Popo? You 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:41.200 didn't know what popo meant? 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:43.000 Yeah, I've got to get out more, obviously. 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:43.920 No. 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:46.560 My media director the other day was speaking to me 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.280 about Pope and she said, oh, they're all talking about 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:50.960 this is what's popo? 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.840 And just anyway, I've got to get out more. 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.520 Have a think about rebuking the song the po po 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.920 shut us down down, different demographic. 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.080 Maybe look at a rebrand on the cop carts, take 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.280 off police, put on paper. Hey Shane, we appreciate your time, mate, 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.360 We know you an incredibly busy man. First issue we 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:11.840 want to talk about you've been leading the news with 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:12.399 it this morning. 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.160 Cramp and West. Shane Patton, the Constable one of your 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.679 own recovering in hospital after he was allegedly stabbed while 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:22.480 responded to an agberg an Agberg which apparently wasn't an 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.160 agberg as it turns out. 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.760 Yeah, yeah, really upsetting. 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.759 Obviously, we had a unit responded in Creanbourne West last 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:34.320 night after five I think it was the responding to 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.440 a call of a burglary that had been committed there. 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:43.679 We'll be alleging the person who actually reported the burglary 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.520 then committed an attack on one of our officers and stabbed. 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:47.760 Them in thigh. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:49.280 And how what was this book? 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:57.760 The alleged defenders around eighteen I think, and the constable involved. Fortunately, 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.960 you know, they drew their firearms, accorded on him to 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.960 drop the knife and he did, and then obviously the 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:06.400 rest of the troops turned up and. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:07.680 We took him. 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:10.480 Our member went to hospital. Still in hospital with an 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.799 injury to the thigh. He's in a stable condition. But 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.000 it just goes to show there is no such thing 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.760 as a routine response in policing, not at all. 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.000 And hats after all the work the Victorian police do. Mate, 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:26.400 It's incredible the job you guys do. Unfortunately, this just 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.880 seems to be a story we're hearing quite often youth 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:34.320 crime in Melbourne. We're frustrated hearing about it. Are you 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.240 frustrated catching these offenders and then seeing them back out 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:39.000 on the streets. 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:39.520 Oh? 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.480 Look, we look after what we can look after the 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:46.239 last crime statistics, and whenever I talk about statistics, they're 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:50.200 not just statistics, they're people. And I want to acknowledge 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:54.080 that we charged over around sixty eight thousand people last 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:58.400 rolling twelve months. We in the last year of charged 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.320 fifteen hundred people related to aggravated burglaries and theft of 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.720 car at night, those sneaking aggravated burglaries. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.160 It's a key focus for us. 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.079 Which is my biggest fear. I've got three young kids 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.720 in the house. I'm absolutely paranoid about it. But then 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.519 we see these people. I think we're sick of hearing 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:20.880 re offenders, reoffenders, reoffenders. Where is the breakdown? Is it 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:21.440 the courts? 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.920 Well, there's a couple of things there, Joseph, I can 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.720 step through. We had a recent change and amendment in 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.560 the legislation, so that aggravated burglary if you get done 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.079 for that or that's high and offending. 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:33.720 Now I think it's going to come in the next 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:34.600 week or two or whatever. 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.320 It'll be coming to Royal Assent, whereby. 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:38.880 We'll be able to. 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.280 Take a much more forward leaning approach to reminding people 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.560 who need to be reminded, who at risk of committing 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:45.880 these things. 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.280 Way, someone breaking into my house when I got three 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.600 young kids there needs to be locked up full stop. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.080 Yeah, and I would agree with you. 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.360 And so that's the approach we'll be taking, will be 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.080 making sure that we remind as many people who are 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.240 committing these high and fences can be So that's a 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.160 good thing that will be occurring. We think that'll make 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.200 a real difference in what's been going on in terms 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:10.400 of that aggravated burglary. Can I just say, and I 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.280 don't say this to try and minimize it, but the 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.560 vast majority of these are sneak in aggravator burglaries at night. 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.480 It's over ninety five percent of them. There's no confrontation, 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.200 but to have your house violated is absolutely horrendous. 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:22.560 That's why we're so focused on it. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.800 Yeah, it's terrifying, but I mean Melbournians are so frustrated, 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.200 right and I feel for the police because you guys 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.400 do such an amazing job, and we see things like 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.160 what happened last night where our police force and our 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.599 police officers are putting their lives on the line to 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.520 catch these guys. Do you feel like you're just banging 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.680 your head against a wall when you do all the work, 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.120 you catch them, You sit there doing all the paperwork, 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:45.800 and then you find out they're back out on the 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:46.760 streets the next day. 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:47.680 Yeah. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.719 Sentencing and all of those matters have always been a 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.160 matter for the courts lur and it's something that you know, 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.120 even since I was a constable, which is some time 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.360 I go back now, it's always been a concern for 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.800 my members, for myself. But you can control what you 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.600 can control, and that is we'll keep locking them up, 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.600 we'll keep charging, and we are having huge successes in 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.719 terms of the arrest. We know predominantly who these offenders are. 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:16.080 And I think, as I said, those legislative changes that 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.200 are coming in for people charge with the aggravated burglary, 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.919 that dangerous driving where if they're an unacceptable risk of 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.560 committing another offense they go in, that's what I think 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.279 that's going to be a real big change that's going 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:28.800 to occur here. 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:30.560 Do you think it will actually help. 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.200 I just want to say, I don't think we're questioning 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.120 the work you guys do it because, if anything, we're 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.800 frustrated for the police. The amount of work you guys 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.839 are putting in is a lot of the And you 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:41.440 might not be able to comment on this, but a 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.279 lot of the reason these kids are back on the 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.160 streets around jails fault is that the problem. 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:50.360 No, no, jails aren't full, youth justice isn't full. Courts have. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.040 A difficult balancing act, a difficult balancing act. No one 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.200 wants to be locking up kids, but some kids who 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.599 are committing those highing defenses need to be remanded and 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:03.279 have their issues. 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.080 Obviously there's also an issue of rehabilitation, right. 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.839 But obviously, obviously the fear isn't there. If I'm an 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:12.680 eighteen year old kid and I'm out with my mates 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.960 and we're looking at a househould we bloody go iman mw. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:17.200 Obviously the fear isn't. 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.480 Part of this justice reform, which is just past the 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.919 Upper House in Victorian Parliament, also includes the potential for 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.800 ankle bracelets, I believe as well. 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.680 Yeah, there's a whole what will be the term raft 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.040 of reforms that the governments bring in. One of them 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.280 is looking at a trial where they put ankle bracelets 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:39.520 on fifty kids who otherwise might might have had any 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.960 bail conditions, or otherwise they might have gone in, but 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:47.040 to geofence them at home sort of thing overnight that'll 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.560 come in in due course. That's another good initiative to 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.680 look at to see where that makes a difference. But 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:55.240 we do work with government where we have a lot 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.280 of input in relation to legislative reforms. And as I said, 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.920 this most recent one we think real positive. But it's 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:05.080 getting that balance right. It's the primary thing has to 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.719 be about community safety. There has to be about people 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.640 feeling safe and being safe. 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.320 Do you think these kids are too protected? Because I 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.480 know we've all got rights and we all get treated 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.880 the same way. But if you if you offend time 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.960 and time and time again, surely you lose some of 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.440 those same rights that law abiding citizens. 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:26.800 Have absolutely naurn. 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.080 And I think I think we'll start and see that 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.480 now emerging with these new bail reforms, that community safety 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.520 is primacy and time and time and time again will 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.160 mean that people should have bail refused. 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.920 Just a quick one. Shane Patton Jack's Law is a 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.520 law that's passed in Queensland. I think it's a good one. 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.360 Retailer is liable now for the sale of knives to minors. 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.360 Does something similar exists here in Victoria? 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:50.560 Do you know? 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.280 Because knife crime is unfortunately on the increase. 0:07:55.840 --> 0:08:00.200 It may feel that way, It's actually not right it. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.880 It's remained pretty stable here, but nonetheless we are seeing 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.120 significant injuries and we're seeing more young people carry knives, 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:09.960 and it's a real area focus for us. I mean, 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.120 it seems every second time we apprehend someone they've got 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.360 a large knife or a small machete or something like that. 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.480 But the law is they can't be sold to mine 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:19.640 as It's as simple as that. 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:20.920 And you can when. 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:22.560 You say you can't tell the night like are we 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.240 talking like can I a seventeen year old go in 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.240 a big w and by a cut reset or are 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:28.960 we talking more like hunting knives and stuff? 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:29.680 Yeah, we're talking. 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:33.520 We're talking hunting knives, we're talking machetes, controlled weapons at 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:38.559 a hunting store. But the reality is there are significant 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.400 penalties that you can get put in jail for up 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.160 to a year for having a controlled weapon in public 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:44.839 if you've got no excuse to have it, and that's 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:45.360 a knife. 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:51.280 Shane Melbournians are scared. My friends are scared. My friends 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.360 with kids, friends who park their cars in their driveways 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.240 are scared. What can we do to protect ourselves and 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.640 to keep our homes safe because people are going to 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:01.280 bed at night terrified. 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.319 You got a spare set a cuff chicken through me, 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.080 not fuffy. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:08.280 I'm not going to touch that. 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:09.040 No. 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:14.400 On a serious note, we know that when these young kids, 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.839 when we're apprehending them generally young kids, and they've been 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.520 out and they've been involved in these sneaking aggravatord burglaries. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:22.320 And this is not about victim blaming. 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.880 Let me say that with a cavet that they move 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.880 along the street until they actually find an open door, 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.720 an open window, or go through an open garage. So 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.240 it's the simple things. First of all. It's just making 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.040 sure you know your gates locked, your doors are locked, 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.160 and that sort of thing, and generally speaking, that will 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:39.640 be enough to deter someone coming in. 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:41.560 We had a couple of blokes jumping the fence at 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.800 our place recently and ransacked my car and I was 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.679 talking to the cops that attended the scene afterwards, and 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:48.440 I was saying, you know what about cameras, are they 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.520 deterring kids these days? And the cops that I was 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.280 chatting to were like, to be honest, it's more sensor 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.960 lights and stuff that light up the front yard and 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.199 then deter them to go somewhere else. 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.360 And dogs knocking dogs. 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:00.440 Yeah, nosolutely. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:04.000 Dogs sense like when someone's disturbed, generally speaking, they'll run 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:05.640 and move on to the next place or whatever. 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:05.840 I mean. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.720 Cameras are a good thing as well. It allows us 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.240 to identify who they. 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.000 Are, but it's just doing the basics. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:16.280 I mean, it's it's terrible that, as you say, Lauren, 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.000 that people feel that way, but I understand it given 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.600 the significant amount of these sneak and aggravated burglars we've had. 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.520 I've said this many times, but I think it's important 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.640 to say it again. We are throwing everything we can 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:33.120 at this Operation Trinity. Over the last year, we've arrested, 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:38.199 you know, around fifteen hundred offenders for these aggravated burglaries 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.280 and related theft of motor car. Our Earwing's out there 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:47.560 each night. Dog Squad, Public Order Response Team Detectives, uniform 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.200 members and generally we'll have the air wing up and 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.040 we will apprehend these these offenders generally most of the time. 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.320 I've got no doubt, no doubt, you guys are doing 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:59.280 an unbelievable job, and I think that's obviously the big 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.360 issue is the court system. But if you think that 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:04.640 these changes are going to help them, hopefully that helps 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:05.079 us all With. 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.440 We're on the air with Police Commissioner Shane Patton this morning. Shane, 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:10.839 if you can hang around, We've got to take a 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:12.960 quick break, but we've got a few more things for you. 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:16.480 We are probing the Popo this morning. That's Police Shane 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:22.600 here on. No officers ever get star struck. If you 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.680 go through an RBT the window goes down, they're like, 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.000 oh jeezkod a, boss. You know how it works. 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.080 I actually did a couple of months ago. I was 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.440 helping someone move and just wheeling through in a ute 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.240 or whatever and got pushed in and the window came 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:41.719 down and they've gone hi, boss, Boss. I said hi, 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.920 and just one deep breath, the hand went through the window. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:47.040 It's okay. 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.679 Yeah, you're in more trouble if you let me go. 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.040 Yeah, we're going to do a Chief commission We've got 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.520 a call on the line. Nicole from Mount Waverley. Good 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.000 morning to you. You're on the line with the Chief 0:11:58.000 --> 0:11:58.800 commission You got a. 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.920 Question hybrid morning two. Commissioner. How are you doing? 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.160 Good morning to Carl. I'm doing well, that's good. 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:09.800 I just had a question. Understand that this aggravated burglaries 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.760 are quite the common place at the moment. What are 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:18.160 your thoughts on maybe some sort of reverse bychology or 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:22.640 an ad campaign that says to the purpose, Hey, you know, 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.000 you enter at your own risk, but everybody has a 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.680 right to defend their homes and their families. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.040 Well, the common question, I reckon you'd hear a lot 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:31.920 is what can we do in the house to protect 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:33.120 ourselves here? 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.559 Thanks to Colin and Jase, I think that's probably the 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.280 better point. Yeah, obviously from our point of view, we 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:40.599 say avoid confrontation. 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.120 Absolutely. I don't know if this is the right thing 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:44.800 to do, but now I leave the car keys near 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.559 the front door. Well yeah, with the notes saying enjoy. 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:48.920 Yeah, there's a couple of things there. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.160 I mean, so avoid the confrontation if someone breaks in, 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:55.320 if you can go to a safe area and just 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.160 call the police and let us deal with it right. 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.480 If you are confronted though, and you're not a position 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.720 to do that, obviously you can act to defend yourself 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:07.480 solong it's proportionate and what you're doing in relation to 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:08.439 the threat that occurs. 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:10.240 I know that you know what. I'll be honest. I've 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.080 had this conversation with people before. Right someone broke in, 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.359 I found some blake in one of my kids bedrooms, 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.640 I'd go to town. I would go to town until 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.160 they are out on the floor, and then I know 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.199 what you're saying. Then it's got to be in proportion. 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:24.520 But I'll tell you what. I wouldn't want him getting 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.000 up in that room. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.040 And that's why you know, I can't sit here and 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.679 say what you can and can't do other than it 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.120 has to be, you know, proportionate to the response that 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:35.679 you're facing and the threat you're facing. 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.400 And we all perceive threats differently. That's the reality. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:41.280 Someone's in your child's bedroom. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.600 Oh, I'm going to town, And there are all the 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.880 factors you take into account. But as I said, each 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:53.840 circumstance is different. In regards to the keys, the main 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:55.520 thing I would say is don't leave them so that 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.720 if someone was walking past the window they could see them. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.240 Yeah, you don't want to be inviting people to come in. 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I've got friends who are leaving 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.480 their keys in their car. If they've got a car 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.160 in a driveway that you can see so you know 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.240 it's a luxury car, it's in the driveway. Not every 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.040 house has huge gates or undercover garage, and they leave 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.439 their keys in the car because they would rather these 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.040 people drive away in their car than break into their 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.640 house to get the keyscourage to risk of their family 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:22.200 getting hurt. 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:22.520 Yeah. 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.400 I'm not an advocate of that one, Lauren, and I 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.200 understand to a degree why they would do that. But 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.880 you should be locking your car, if you lock your doors, 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.920 you lock your windows, and just take the normal steps 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.400 that people would stay take. Most of the time, they're 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.040 going to move on and go to a different house. 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.000 Are you shocked by the amount of home invasions that 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.320 occur on homes that weren't actually locked in the first place. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:48.800 I was, I'm not anymore because we keep banging on 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.400 about it, and it's not to blame people for doing it. 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:55.840 No, No, it's surprising how many people don't their I'm isn't 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.920 it always at each other about it. I don't care 0:14:57.920 --> 0:14:59.960 if it's two o'clock in the afternoon. Lock the bloody door. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:00.840 It blows my mind. 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:02.320 I don't know how you could feel safe going yeh, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.080 knowing if someone could walk along the street and come 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.280 in and you know what, I'm sah, and it blows 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:06.600 my mind. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.680 Shane Patton's on the morning. Sorry, Lesko, just quickly. 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:12.840 Is Melbourne a safe place to live? 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.440 Yeah? It is? It is. 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.120 It is really an amazingly safe place to live, and 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.440 which may seem sort of strange when we're having this 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.600 discussion about aggravated burglars and people sneaking and at night, 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.960 but when you compare it to other jurisdictions around the world, 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:32.800 you compare it to other jurisdictions in Australia, we are 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.480 really well placed. By and large, it is a very 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.800 very safe place to live and work. And you know 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.080 it's I think that's all I can say to you. 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.640 By and large, that is the case. Have we got issues, absolutely, 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:46.800 I'm not in denial about that. 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.000 I was about to say, there's a caller sitting on 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.240 hold at the moment who would probably disagree with you. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.600 We're on the air with Shane Patten, Police Commissioner. This morning, 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.760 we're going to go to Imagine Dragons and come back 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:08.800 with one last chat next Jason Lawrence Crove. Very special morning. 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.800 We don't normally spend this long, but we've got the 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.800 top cop in here this morning. Commissioner Shane Patton, thanks 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.240 so much for hanging out with us this morning. We'll 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.360 let you go because we know you're a extremely busy man. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.920 Do you still cruise around Mark copp car? Have you 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:23.720 got little flags on the front being the top cop 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:24.200 or anything. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:26.800 There's no presidential type thing. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.360 I get out about though each now and then, like 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.160 each three or four months, when I can, I get 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:33.720 out and do a patrol with someone I was out 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.480 standing on the other week, just to keep in touch 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.600 with reality as well and what the members are feeling 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:40.520 and experiencing. 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.880 Realizes how how much pressure they're under. That's good. I 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:45.160 like that. 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.080 But are you in a normal police car like when 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.320 you drove into Nova this morning? If you saw someone 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:51.560 pick up their mobile phone, for instance, are you like 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:52.520 sirens on? 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:53.080 Pull them over? 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.160 Here's his gold I saw it parked out the front. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:59.120 It's an un marked car, but it has sirens and yeah, 0:16:59.200 --> 0:16:59.840 all the things. 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.040 Should be able to use, all the bells and whistles. 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.399 All the buttons. That's all we wanted to know to 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:05.600 get the sirens and the buttons. 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.439 Yeah, thirteen twenty fourteen is our number to join us 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.000 on the air. We've had a lot of calls from 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:11.520 people who. 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:12.600 Are unfortunate calls. 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.760 Yeah, have been victims of youth crime here in Melbourne. Cash, 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.240 good morning, Good morning. What was your situation? 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:24.639 So last year it was around Good Friday, Easter holidays. 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.360 My partner and our friends we went to the pancakes 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.080 parlor and we're walking back to the car and up 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:35.199 ahead we see a young guy with the machete and 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.960 he was aiming towards us and chasing us for. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.600 Us, now, directions and what time this is during the day. 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.919 This was around eight thirty nine o'clock at night, yeah, right, 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.639 and we were running back inside. I quickly saw the 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.960 security guard and told him to quickly bring the police. 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.840 And obviously with the shopping center at night, a lot 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.680 of places were closed, so we didn't know where to go. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.040 And the young excuse me, the young managed to run 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:05.479 towards us, but he was exhausted in the end because 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.639 we realized he was in chased by like a drug 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.760 dealer or some baby guy. 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:13.720 Like this stuff doesn't surprise you though, that's happening on 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.080 the streets, like at eight thirty at night, just in 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:16.640 the burbs. 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.000 No, no, it doesn't surprise me, but I think importantly 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.080